See it's just tips like this that I want from drum channels. Just the small stuff. It relates more to beginner and intermediate drummers even advanced drummers might overlook stuff like this simple because there aren't enough people talking about it. THANK YOU
A little side note: if you're going to put much of an angle on the cymbals, make 100% sure that there's adequate plastic or rubber insulation/padding (not sure what you'd call it) between the cymbal and the metal part of the cymbal stand. I prefer the hard plastic. The reason being is that a cymbal with inadequate protection from the metal stand will start key-holing and the center hole starts to get oblong. This results in the cymbal hanging (rather than lying) on the stand and having the same edge hit (it can't spin). The hole will quickly get longer if the situation isn't corrected. This can eventually cause cracks in the edge or around the hole. This damage can easily and cheaply be avoided. This is a lesson I learned the hard way.
I think the angle of the cymbals depends on the angle of the ride toms, too. I like my setup more flat than angled. I know some drummers who just insist on putting everything at a much steeper angle.
In addition to losing power and tone by hitting a cymbal that's too steep, it will also start to keyhole, especially if the stand does not have a protective sleeve. Though, however you keep your cymbals, you shouldn't be hitting your crashes with a straight down strike, like you're cutting through the cymbal with a sword. Imagineably, this will cause cracking very early. Matt Halpern has a great video demonstrating the best crashing technique, in my opinion, of going in a back and forth sweeping motion, sorta making a figure-8 with the stick.
There is a 'sweet spot' so to speak that is ergonomically in harmony with the body from fingers to spine.. Just close your eyes while not at the kit but sit at your throne height.. Then put the tip of a stick exactly at the right distance and height where you would naturally strike each cymbal.. Set up accordingly.. or don't lol.. there are no rules in drumming.. just ask the drummers with China's or crash cymbals behind their heads :)
I think that if you have large thin cymbals, they will handle more crashing without breaking because they are flexible. Thicker cymbals breaks more easily because they lack flexibility.
I am sorry to tell you that the whole modern concept of how to play cymbals is a load of bollocks. I have been playing for 40 years and still own every cymbal that I ever bought. I have never cracked a cymbal, never split a cymbal. Set them high, set at an angle and choose your sticks to match your playing. Everything else is bullshit, I've played punk, folk and even prog rock.
@@jsullivan2112 It depends on the music that you are playing. The current fashion emerged around the time that Oasis changed their stage drum kit to look like Ringo's Ludwig; a 4 piece and cymbals set for swing music. Playing jazz or swing is light, fast and suits low set cymbals as the strikes are less aggressive (generally) and the cymbals will survive a more square strike. Step this up to a rock band and the energy in the strike is partially dissipated with cymbals at an angle which allows the stick to trigger buy deflect the cymbal. Cymbals set low and flat while playing rock music cannot deflect to the same degree and are more prone to the development of fatigue fractures. If you don't want to swing your arms high then set your cymbals lower. It is your choice as you are paying for the cymbals but you will eventually probably start cracking cymbals.
@@jsullivan2112 It depends on the music that you are playing. My comment was apparently typed after a few beers and aimed at rock drumming. The current fashion (as far as I can recall) emerged around the time that Oasis changed their stage drum kit to look like Ringo's Ludwig; a 4 piece and cymbals set for swing music. Playing jazz or swing is light, fast and suits low set cymbals as the strikes are less aggressive (generally) and the cymbals will survive a more square strike. Step this up to a rock band and the energy in the strike is partially dissipated with cymbals at an angle which allows the stick to trigger buy deflect the cymbal. Cymbals set low and flat while playing rock music cannot deflect to the same degree and are more prone to the development of fatigue fractures. If you don't want to swing your arms high then set your cymbals lower. It is your choice as you are paying for the cymbals but you will eventually probably start cracking cymbals.
See it's just tips like this that I want from drum channels. Just the small stuff. It relates more to beginner and intermediate drummers even advanced drummers might overlook stuff like this simple because there aren't enough people talking about it. THANK YOU
A little side note: if you're going to put much of an angle on the cymbals, make 100% sure that there's adequate plastic or rubber insulation/padding (not sure what you'd call it) between the cymbal and the metal part of the cymbal stand. I prefer the hard plastic. The reason being is that a cymbal with inadequate protection from the metal stand will start key-holing and the center hole starts to get oblong. This results in the cymbal hanging (rather than lying) on the stand and having the same edge hit (it can't spin). The hole will quickly get longer if the situation isn't corrected. This can eventually cause cracks in the edge or around the hole. This damage can easily and cheaply be avoided. This is a lesson I learned the hard way.
I think the angle of the cymbals depends on the angle of the ride toms, too. I like my setup more flat than angled. I know some drummers who just insist on putting everything at a much steeper angle.
In addition to losing power and tone by hitting a cymbal that's too steep, it will also start to keyhole, especially if the stand does not have a protective sleeve. Though, however you keep your cymbals, you shouldn't be hitting your crashes with a straight down strike, like you're cutting through the cymbal with a sword. Imagineably, this will cause cracking very early. Matt Halpern has a great video demonstrating the best crashing technique, in my opinion, of going in a back and forth sweeping motion, sorta making a figure-8 with the stick.
Thanks SC! This will greatly help me adjust my kit. Extremely helpful.
Would this also apply to angling Drums too?
There is a 'sweet spot' so to speak that is ergonomically in harmony with the body from fingers to spine.. Just close your eyes while not at the kit but sit at your throne height.. Then put the tip of a stick exactly at the right distance and height where you would naturally strike each cymbal.. Set up accordingly.. or don't lol.. there are no rules in drumming.. just ask the drummers with China's or crash cymbals behind their heads :)
I think it all depends on a persons setup/ comfort
6:32 I have a ping ride and it’s true , it’s does not sound really good as a crash but you get used to it 🤷🏼♂️
Nice thoughts here. Well done 👏🏽 🎶🥁
Hi! Did you purposefully remove the felt and wing nut for this lesson or do you play without them?
i love how nic pettersen of northlane angles his cymbals / drumset
Good video, I would ❤️ to have all K cymbals, very sweet!
I think that if you have large thin cymbals, they will handle more crashing without breaking because they are flexible. Thicker cymbals breaks more easily because they lack flexibility.
Excellent advise
Surprised to see someone crashing a cymbal farther out than the floor tom with his left hand
I am sorry to tell you that the whole modern concept of how to play cymbals is a load of bollocks. I have been playing for 40 years and still own every cymbal that I ever bought. I have never cracked a cymbal, never split a cymbal. Set them high, set at an angle and choose your sticks to match your playing. Everything else is bullshit, I've played punk, folk and even prog rock.
@@jsullivan2112 It depends on the music that you are playing. The current fashion emerged around the time that Oasis changed their stage drum kit to look like Ringo's Ludwig; a 4 piece and cymbals set for swing music. Playing jazz or swing is light, fast and suits low set cymbals as the strikes are less aggressive (generally) and the cymbals will survive a more square strike. Step this up to a rock band and the energy in the strike is partially dissipated with cymbals at an angle which allows the stick to trigger buy deflect the cymbal. Cymbals set low and flat while playing rock music cannot deflect to the same degree and are more prone to the development of fatigue fractures. If you don't want to swing your arms high then set your cymbals lower. It is your choice as you are paying for the cymbals but you will eventually probably start cracking cymbals.
@@jsullivan2112 It depends on the music that you are playing. My comment was apparently typed after a few beers and aimed at rock drumming. The current fashion (as far as I can recall) emerged around the time that Oasis changed their stage drum kit to look like Ringo's Ludwig; a 4 piece and cymbals set for swing music. Playing jazz or swing is light, fast and suits low set cymbals as the strikes are less aggressive (generally) and the cymbals will survive a more square strike. Step this up to a rock band and the energy in the strike is partially dissipated with cymbals at an angle which allows the stick to trigger buy deflect the cymbal. Cymbals set low and flat while playing rock music cannot deflect to the same degree and are more prone to the development of fatigue fractures. If you don't want to swing your arms high then set your cymbals lower. It is your choice as you are paying for the cymbals but you will eventually probably start cracking cymbals.
I love crashing on my ride cymbal
Same here. I fell in love with crashing my ride from listening to Josh Eppard on the old Coheed albums.