BF 109 F4 - How I fight against TURN FIGHTERS - Tactics - War thunder
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- This is a tactic i learnt off better players and i thought this would be great for everyone else who's having a hard time fighting against turn fighters in their BNZ fighter. MAKE SURE WHEN YOU DO THIS MOVE, YOUR AT HIGH SPEED!
add your own flavor to this move, but make sure you have enough horse power to get away from your enemy :)
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Please make sure you do this at HIGH SPEEDS!
Green Fury Love the vids bro! Keep em up! I was wondering if I could request you play the song Celldwellers- The Wings of Icarus in your next dogfight video
Green Fury
Fucking amazing so glad I found you. Tactician you are my dude.
what about against 109s in a p-51?
@Hari krishnan I haven't tried it yet. But it should. And it should also work in Fighter Wing 2 as well.
@Gear Watcher it does
Me: tries to perform these maneuvers*
My pilots: aight, imma black out
this's so true xD
i hate it, happens every damn time
@Infinity gotta get dat G-tolerance
@@tugalord don’t forget stamina so you can recover faster
@@ssouperior yep stamina too
wow, that really helps. I never knew what to do when a spitfire was above me...
U need to get fust above him or u dead man :D
I cant count how many times a 109 pilot has tried to win a turnfight with me
Same reason why i tried the spits
@@mr.randomyt1097 I love playing AB xD even tho the spitfire turn rate is faster than the Bf's I love to see a self confident spitfire pilot coming up to me he thinks: "man a Bf Imma turn out his ass and shoot him out" I guess but I almost always manage it to out turn him and the fun begins when he takes a new plane and he comes to me again and again and I do the same as I did before as long as he keeps coming for me. XD It's just so fun. And I'm not really agressive mostly I fly at around 5000m to 6500m height and wait for people to come for me or climb to attack our bombers. I keep our high altitude airspace clear from enemy fighters and I stay up there I don't go down. In the event in september I tried everything to get my 50% battle activity I mostly got at least 10 kills but it was so stressful so I'm happy to get 2 or 4 kills at high altitude. xD
@@mr.randomyt1097 😔
Just moments ago I was flying my Bf 109 F-4 at 6km when I run into a Yak-3 Baguette-version. I have an altitude advantage so I think it'll be easy! I avoid his head on, but he turns around and starts gaining on me. I think "oh crap, what would Green Fury do?" Obviously, "shallow dive" is the first thought, but he's still gaining on me! But at least I now have time to think. If I can lure him low, maybe my allies can help. So I do this twice, he gets distracted by another 109, I do a high yo-yo and blow his wing off. I don't think I perform any of your maneuvers right, but know that when I fly, I think of your guidance and it magically gets me wins anyways.
awesome work mate
bf 109 f4 turns just as tight as yak 3, you could just out dogfight him
@@buzz_beurling3777 If you turnfight you would turn in a flying duck to yak.
Good luck. I play 20 games and one might have a team mate that actually helps. People don't understand the concept of team work on a online game.. it's sad. Or u are going in for a kill and ur team mates steal it from you cuz they think they need 20 planes against one.. can't fix stupid
@@FaithHopeLove0123 I blame War Thunder's economy. Most people are just trying to grind RP/SL and don't think about winning the game. It's why there are so many losers flying bombers.
stop it green your teaching german pilots how to deal with my spacefires
Egoistichare71
We dont care
Boy Invades
It’s a joke
It does not even work if you dont fall for it...
spacefires is good,they even make jokes on it
i remember those times when flying the 109 was slightly easier than flying the 190s, now 109 is much more manoeuvrable , in the past dogfights was a uncomfortable terrain for 109, now is a pleasure to engage on them, and f4 is my fav 109
Fw190s are awesome too.Just bait all day until some idiot commits and then force an overshoot.And then your 2-4 20mm cannons just need to finish the job.
@@lukadinicc2229 That's why I hate FW-190s. Their cannons--bloody heck (tried to say something British)!
Beautiful flying. I think turning ability is one of the most overrated abilities an airplane can have. Given two planes of equal performance, sure, turning ability is useful, but I’d always take performance over turning ability.
i would love to destroy you with my zero (you cant use speed if you cant hit me)
Jaroslav Kalivoda how would you destroy me if I use speed?
if you would try to hit me you will eventually lost your speed or your ammo or fuel and than will dive you on airfield
Lol you act like me trying to get a shot on you is an endless energy sink for me while you’re just building energy. That’s not how things work. Every time you evade, you are burning energy to do so. And if I do a good job I will maintain a relative energy advantage over you, until you have no more altitude to convert to speed to convert to maneuvering. What is your IGN? We can 1v1 if you'd like
@@dogeness He ment you loose ammo and fuel after time
I did this today in my 109..I have been playing a little over a year and I am very aggressive..too aggressive that I get killed usually after I make a kill because I try to keep up in turn fights with sharp turning fighters and can usually hold my own until they hang up on me..by witch time I'm all out of air speed and a sitting duck. I used your maneuver and found that they had trouble catching up to me witch let me bring the fight to him for the most part when I wanted...good video..served me well.
I like to Fly a Mix of USSR and UK crafts. Spitfires have great performance when it comes to furball / dog fighting. But in early / mid tiers they suffer with having a Float-Carburetor. And you can sometime trick them into killing their own engine by tricking them into a sudden maneuver downwards. It's sometime effective for killing their engines making them lose some momentum while they race to restart the engine.
When it comes to me playing USSR craft, I generally try to keep some speed and occasionally do some light turn fighting with Landing flaps. But I avoid extended fights where I bleed a lot of energy. If I don't get the kill within a few shots, I often try to disengage and gain some speed / altitude and try again. USSR crafts are great in general performance and can get the job done well. But it takes certain flying / fighting styles to do well in any specific nation's craft. UK is good for aggressive fighting and maneuvering, while USSR is good for paced fighting that doesn't lead to drawn out dogfights. So spacing a fight timing is key to doing well. Similar can be said for US aircraft.
Wow, whenever i saw a spitfire id just go" Welp guess I'll just die" but now with this knowledge i can actually do something
Not really tho ...
It's always fun to do this, but it would be a lot less frustrating if Zero's couldn't pull 13g's in a high speed fight. Gaijin forgot to give them control stiffening...
That and they do great in the vertical despite mediocre power/weight and small props.
They actually did great in vertical irl, just watch Japanese ace interviews, how do you think so many corsairs and hellcats were downed? The Japanese pilots just went vertical climbing and then the heavier fighters stalled before them.
@@bobuboi4643 source? Also they really didn't down that many corsairs and Hellcats...
@@andrewmandrona7891 as i said many japanese aces including saburo said "the zero was good in a vertical, so we had this strategy where we would force them in to a vertical then loop onto thier tail, they will either stall or slow down enough so we can get on thier 6' after that they couldn't get us off of there" this is the translation i got from Google translate so i don't know if it's 100 correct. But he said something along those lines. I can't really remember which video it was, watched it about 6-7 years ago.
@@andrewmandrona7891 by that i meant that just how obsolete their planes were yet they still manged to down "alot" of superior planes, atleast for thier planes it was an huge achivement.
@@bobuboi4643 I'll politely disagree on this. The vertical loop or vertical tactics of the Zero were commonly used against the F4F Wildcat (which was the most common carrier fighter of the USN from '41 - '42). The F4F Wildcat was very heavy and had a very underpowered engine making its performance kind of sluggish but it had very good armor though its pilots were also undertrained in focused dogfighting. The Zero, lighter and faster with a great engine, would bait Wildcats into the vertical to force them to stall and then loop back around to finish the Wildcat off. The F6F Hellcat was developed to directly counter the Zero itself hence why it was given an extremely powerful 2200 hp Pratt & Whitney two-stage supercharged radial engine to negate its weight and increase both its speed and range performance. The Hellcat also had a lot very good armor which made it even tougher for Zeroes to shoot down while the Zero could be ripped apart by the Hellcat's 6 x .50 calibers. The Hellcat both outran, out-armored, was equal to a Zero on the vertical but out-dived the Zero because of its engine, strong airframe and sheer weight. By '43 - '45, the Zero's ability to practically dogfight the Hellcat was diminished not just because it was outperformed but the Japanese also didn't have enough time to train their pilots. US Fighter pilot training also was much more focused after 1941 to give the US pilots more flight hours and strong training to understand how to dogfight not to mention the veteran rotation system where veterans were rotated out to teach new pilots and conserving the experience of the troops. The Zero is a great fighter and it made its mark but the Hellcat came to destroy its reputation and legacy to create its own. The Vought F4U Corsair is just a Hellcat but made to go faster so that's another story.
You were able to aim for once
when someone talks about my aiming, i know they are a true fan of mine haha xD
Spitfire: this game is easy i just mouse aim the lead indicator.
Me on a FW190 at 700km/h: you fool
pleb arcadian
When a spit is above me I usually pull high g’s either for him to rip his wings or over shoot
To counter that I'd pull up, reset and boom and zoom. Or pull you into a horizontal turn fight.
thanks for this video !!! always wondered how to handle this particular situation keep up the good content
I like how even years after this can still apply to me and still somehow help me with spits
aaah the F4. This plane and the F 1 are my all time favorites.
I find the F1's canon's terrible accuracy and low ammo for the 20 mm to suck. F4 is way better.
Nasty tutorial. Good shit. Even I’m 3 years late. Better late than never. Thank you, sir.
Thank you so much for your tactic videos :) they helped me out so much with my flyingskills... especially in my 109
The best way to avoid being shot down in aerial combat......is the minute you arrive at your unit.....to inform you unit's commanding officer....that you have developed a fear of height's....and you suffer with motion sickness and you have no idea why you was sent to an aviation unit in the first place !
Sir after this I can give you my soul to thank you you are great
Great explaining, with easily understandable words and phrases!
nice video! if u want to up the realism a bit try the bf109 k4 by dcs someday..you're gonna like it.
Nice, must been my request, of how to deal with spacefyres on the 6 above you. :) Reminds me of the jet age when you talk about speed - "too fast, too furious". You shouldn't turn right into his firing angle at 2:03 unless you really intend to dive some more and drag him to the deck. Could have pulled up and extend away instead and then set him up for a baiting trap of the rope a dope or chandele.
you're a very patient man, for someone who's playing a video game.
Thank u I’m tired of being shitted on my Zeros and spitfires when I’m flying my FW 190
I'm usually at a disadvantage because I only fly U.S. Navy aircraft, but when I get my nose on target I tag them and reset the engagement. This helps to dissuade persurers from continuing the fight with a damaged aircraft, but some pilots don't give up that easily. That's when having a wingman or situationally aware teammate close really helps to save my bacon if a bandit gets on my six at lower altitudes.
nice video bro but that's probably the most unsightly sticker placement I've ever seen on a plane in WT
Love your vids bro, keep 'em coming, thanks!!!
poor spitfire, he is probably going to uninstal the game... now I know why warthunder is losing so much new players ;)
Max Súarez Müller Mainly because it takes forever for them to get stuff, and that you only have like 1 respawn just 3 in arcade. For new players this is a bit much. I wish Arcade had unlimited spawns and was basically a TDM. Then people could get more RP and skill in the game and not only get few chances in Arcade mode which isn’t realistic.
same here i grinded usa until tier v and from there the game was not fun at all. i switched to fsx its not like war thunder but at least is a bit more enjoyable
You do not want that to happen bud
@@BoogerSugar420 realistic is for pros mate and Wat you on about 3 resprawns in arcade it 5 yeah maybe 3 depends on make and game type like tanks.and it don't take that long to get stuff I've dun just over 5 hours air and I've got 10 plans and most r nearly fully dun up and a couple r dun rite up its just you crew takes Tim to get up if you don't spend alil bit of money to get golden eagles
Takes Time to get your crew up ment to say it's how good you r in games to get the research points up so learn
I’ve struggled with this a lot. I’ve done this exact maneuver before to get kills, but I never considered shadow climbing to set up the kill.
I’m not extremely knowledgeable of planes but I can usually tell if they can our climb/turn me pretty quick. Energy retention comparison is out of my league lol. Getting stuck in a non stop chase has been a game ended for me a lot. If I didn’t die I usually barley gapped people and had to run to base.
H0ly sh1t I pulled out this maneuver successfully with my E4 against a spitfire, I felt like pro man, hahaha
Wow man! U play very well! Good to see it! Thanks from a Brazil player. The Spit boy must got furious😂😂😂
The Lesson here is... Learn your plane's pros and cons, and be smarter than the guy who's trying to kill you.
I wanna add one more thing. If you play with a joystick you can make a big climbing turn and the spit is losing horribly. The spit loses so much energy compared to a bf.
It doesn't really work with mouse because the instructor kills your energy with excessive rudder
Note to Spitfire's, if a 109 dives to the deck dont chase him, he will then focus you and shallow climb like shown here. Pull of ans keep an eye on him. He might end up fighting someone else on the deck, loosing his speed from his dive, and not having altitude to regain it. Then dive in and gank him
wow, incredible, it's basically to reset energy level. noice, I'll keep that trick in my bag :D
thanks
One of the best pilots ive seen 👍👍
I can aim, I can control my speeds I just can't dogfight a n anything
me: tries to do this at high speeds
my piloy:fuck this im blacking out
how about P-47M? how to deal with this cancer? airspawn, in high alt everytime, deadly weapon of the wallet warriors... we meet them in G/K series
The only problem with this tactic is that when doing the high yo-yo, a good Pilot will see this and disengage, wait for you to get on their tail and then get you in a turning engagement you can't win.
Then disangage also. Climb up and start again. Dont want to kill your energy
Nice variation on the rope-a-dope tactic!
omg that was awesome. l love bf 109 f4 and g2 but I'm not a good pilot.
Even with these tutorials I still never learn XD
watched your awesome video a dozen times.
#ThankYou
been using this in arcade and won a kill, and scared off another. real good stuff just started using it today it happened just like you show.
this helps me a lot even with the hunter thanks!
Thanks for showing me that tactic, the spitfires always bother me when i'm in a turn battle
That was really helpfull thx mate !!
Would love to fly with you. I think I may have flown against you before. I'm getting better watching these videos
love the F4!
The spit does not have good energy retention so I recommend doing a drawn out dogfight with the spit until its slow enough to where you can kill it while in your bf-109
So that’s how you get far enough away to start an energy fight
Thanks
Very nice, textbook example
I must be using my engine wrong, all these guides say that the 109s are really fast yet I constantly get outsped by every enemy💀
idk but the "turning right into him" part doesnt work for me because my bf109s wont fcking turn
all these maneuvers i do just keep me alive but dont get me to kill anyone
holy shit same. I have this problem too
Thanks mate
The MAN!
It's always worked for me however in cloudy sky a good opponent can figure you out how to disappear and sneak up on you eventually. It works every time against A. I.
I usually don't have to deal with this because I play bombers (yes, even at mid tier) and just superglue myself to the next strategic bomber I can find.
* me who almost only flys a6m hoping to find your weaknesses by watching this video *
Just got my first jet, so pretty much any prop fighter is a turn fighter compared to me... even most of the jets have a better TR than I do.
Green fury can you make a video about how to put landing flpas without lowering the landing gear?
so satisfying
Nice. Need more
Thanks that helps, will try this....
Good stuff
How I fight against turn fighters. "Uninstalls the game"
i did the same its very effective to my p51's and bf109's the problem is 6 planes followed me in the dive
3:44 Wait wut? Climbing at 17-18 degrees is now shallow climbing?
Climbing at high speeds lol it's the same
They gotta buff germany so fucking hard the bf 109s planes are much worse than they were in real life
Meanwhile me whenever I encounter a spitfire: *hammerhead*
Brilliant
sounds like Mr. Lang on GTA RP NoPixel lmaoooo
that was goooood
Good as I just started the p38 so fast, but horrible maneuverability for its BR
Solid vid👌🏻
I have a problem with this :
You make him follow your high speed vertiacal loops till he bleeds more energy. Then climb a bit and attack from higher energy state.Classic Bf 109 strategy. BUT what if he does not follow your steep fast dive at 2:12 ??? What if he follows you from higher altitude while you are committed to the dive and rapidly losing your energy? What if he chases you from above in his faster plane (Spitfire LF mk9) using very shallow dive? Then... then you are dead (in 1v1 situation).
Diving to the deck vs a good Spitfire pilot is rarely a good idea.
how do you deal with griffin age spitfires that will outrun and outclimb you on the deck?
High alt. When you diving and they start to break, dont turn with them. Just nose up. Bf109 in that BR are purely energy fighters.
@@Keevas2123 The point is that them will always outrun you too after dives (irrealistic MER).
Plus their inaccurate time to recover after a stall... The Griffon was heavy as hell in real life..
@@davides.8663 irl 109 never face mk xviii engined spitfires
@@Keevas2123 I know... The point is that is crazy how damm OP they are, others spits are ok (Merlins too) but Griffons... Gosh, they are to impossible to energy trap (except at low alt).
If u're in a K4 u shouldn't have problem outrunning them at the deck even the mk24 bcs they are just as slow as 109s at the deck but not as fast as K4 (but if u are in an earlier 109s u better stay at alt.) that's why Merlin esp. the LF does better job at low alt. than Griffons. The LF is faster at low alt. than early Griffons. I've tried and compared them all but (IDK if it still the same, been 2+ years since the last time i played the game XD)
noice!
Even when I do this I am always bested by yaks
I try to shallow climb and they end up catching me... He follows my every move and somehow I cant outrun him, even when Im going near rip speed
Very cool. What was your ballpark IAS when you started the High Yo-Yo? Any chance the Spit can just stand on his tail for a shot when you do that?
Vamp9190 I usually got a general rule of being over 350 kmph. Now days I done it so much it's more of a feel
Fantastic.
now can you make a video on how to defend against this?
Thanks
Oh god it really helps me i got a kill and revenge to a pro thanks 😊
I feel like a High YoYo right now
thx man i am tired of being but fucked by bf 109 and spitfires
Australians are just legends
Spitfires nerfed to death one turn and they loose all their energy while 109 still able to aim at 46 km/hour on a stall dive a little and gain 400km/h in a few seconds. The game flight model still are not representative of any plane in the game be it on arcade real or sim. As it as modelled on mouse aiming. Every 109 pilot is abusing from spiral climbing and rudder control at stall speeds.
The Spitfire only turned comparatively well at very high altitudes. The Russians found it poor for turn fighting at low altitudes. Turn fighting remained dominant because the 1% hit rate required a steady target for most pilots. Hit and run required extreme eyesight, course anticipation and marksmanship, and was not that practical for average skills... Both had their uses. For more on the truth of WWII dogfighting: th-cam.com/video/lCBOxbaxXBE/w-d-xo.html
Say you're in a BoomNZoom plane and the turn fighter on your 6 is a 109. Would the shallow climb still work for you or would the 109 have the advantage since it has a faster climb rate than most BoomNZooms?
literally the same tactic i against bf 109s (i am a us main)
how do I deal with a A6M6 , my bf109 can't out climb or our run it
i never understand how dogfighting in 3rd person makes any sense. Its like those tank games in 3rd person. You might as well play hide and seek on an empty soccer field.
Kriechbaum As displayed in the video this is still a game which requires thought to be good at. Not everyone is looking for an ultra realistic flight simulator when they want to shoot pretend machineguns at pretend war planes.
Pls make how to kill bf109
Does this tactic work with 109G10s and G14s?
i can kill a trop with bf 2.0 ......in the video just use flaps and youll kill spitty.....for velocity you must run above 700kmh
this will never work anymore when they fix Hispano SAPI
Like a boss