AMS 2 vs iRacing | Which is best for LMDh cars?
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It's sad that as this is an iRacing channel the fanboi's have to come out and slag off AMS2, 'it's too arcadey','the ai is rubbish', 'the cars are too slidey'. I sub to iRacing, have done for 5 years now. iRacing doesn't have true sim physics! Max Verstappen and the Red Line team have stated in their streams that they shared setups not based on real world car ones, they set up their cars to exploit the game engine! So I guess to people like Max iRacing is 'arcadey' too!
They are all GAMES.
The only people that have proper sims are F1 teams and they cost multi millions to run.
All the sims we have access to have the ups and downs. ACC FFB is horrible and is a one trick pony, iRacing has no weather and the netcode it bad and the subscription model is awful, AC is dated and taked a lot of modding to get it to look good, rFactor is a mess of UI and strange track bugs, AMS2 is more forgiving and the multiplayer side sucks. But out of all of these titles AMS2 has made the most progress in 2022 and 2023. Their AI is really good and best of the bunch and racing (you can have custom AI files and custom FFB files to tweak).
For my multiplay sim it's iRacing, for solo racing it's AMS2, for modding it's AC.
Why does it have to be about 'my sim is better than yours'? How about just enjoying them for their own pluses!
Agreed. I love iRacing, but it's hard to justify the pricing model in the days of LFM, and with the netcode. Having to pay monthly for a subscription, then having to pay $12 per car and $15 per track on top of that, only to lose it all if I stop paying the subscription, even for offline play. Hell, you can't even make a private online session without them charging you. Make the content accessible for single player without a subscription and maybe you can justify it. I find iRacing fans are the most unwilling to criticize their sim of choice, but if you love something you should want it to be better! Like you said, all sims have their downsides. Unless you personally contribute to developing the game (yes I said game), it's weird to get super defensive over it.
Big agree, currently running AC as my competitive mp with LFM, and drifting. Ams2 offline. DR2 for rally
Never tried iracing. Offline player mostly so AMS2 is my favourite sim. But still, most cars feel very twitchy, oversteery and slidy. Its easy to find your self spinning while getting out of a tight corner.
Go to car setup, last tab, and change the number of clutches from 6 to 2. You wont spin while getting out of corners, i promise!
@@andreilengyel i have no idea of set ups is the truth apart from some basic. So i will give it a try! Thanks mate
How can you enjoy driving offline? Sincerely asking. I just can't enjoy driving against mindless computer programmed AI with no soul or thought... It boggles my mind really how there's lots of offline simracers and I feel it's a waste... We need players online especially in sims like ams2 rre rf2
@@simulationstimulation961 i can see your point but i don't have the time to join an online race just to get crashed in the first turn by a "Verstapen wanna be" young dude who don't even have a driving license. Wish i had the time but i don't.
AMS 2 way better in everything
They are both good. I own both and I don't feel the need to slag off one at the expense of the other. I suspect the iRacing fanboys commenting haven't even tried the AMS2 ones. Personally I find AMS2 now has that perfect blend of driving joy and realism. It's not quite as punishing as iRacing, but given that many real life drivers have said that iRacing is more difficult than driving the real thing, I don't see that as a bad thing. AMS2 is certainly a sim and very far from GT7 and FM. As you said, it's great to have both options, and soon we will have a third option ( LMU ). some of the AC mods are amazing too.
Absolutely agree buddy!
Not played iRacing but just bought AMs 2 and ACC after some time out of sim racing...for me AMS 2 feels much better , more gritty and on the edge than ACC. I'm loving AMS 2 , just wish they had a MUCH better MP system.
RE: rotation on brakes, I know you kept the setup default, but I'd wager most do mess with brake bias... and in AMS2 you were at 58, while it was 50 in iRacing. Of course there was more rotation on the brakes in iRacing 😅
In regards to front-pointyness, I agree with you - it's missing some in AMS2. However that is easily dialed in with -1 rear wing and stiffening the rear ARB. I'm not good at car setups at all but I had the front perfect with very simple changes.
Ha you’re probably right re brake bias - I just hardly ever do, which is my problem! 😅
TLDR iRacing addicts are like wow nerds and need a bit of fun in their lives if they dislike every other racing game
Why are iRacing fanboys taking a dump on ams2 to begin with? Both games have flaws but both a tons of fun when you dance with the car, both games have great AI and also run VERY smoothly on my mid level rig. Both games have nuanced physics and are fun. Both games require realistic deiving techniques to be fast.
I realize you're directly comparing cars here but wanted to comment on something I noticed while exploring the magnificent Le Mans truck in VR that points to the amount of detail in AMS2 that I wonder if iRacing offers.
At one point I parked on the side of the road to admire the scenery - and to my surprise the dandelions were flaying in the gentle breeze. I have no idea if iRacing pays attention to this level of realism seeing how their graphics were developed for Pentium II machines - or whether one even cares when driving past at 300+ km/h - but such small details IMO adds to the sense of "being there".
This is especially noticed in VR, where I stuck my head out of the car as far as it'd let me and attempted to touch the dandelion. It just feels that real. Add fog, rain, lightning to the course and it becomes scary real. I tell you, after racing in VR there's no going back.
Hey buddy! Thanks so much for engaging with the videos! So iracing is beginning the huge process of updating its tracks to have better graphics, 3D kerbs etc. I think VIR, Okayama, Zandvoort, Mugello and Willow Springs are the ones complete so far - and each feature way better vegetation too. Big task to bring all tracks in the sim up to scratch!
I think the implementation of the Tempest System in iracing (dynamic weather) will also mean wind direction etc is fully simulated. Coming in March 24 apparently!
On VR I’m sure it’s amazing! One day I will own a PC capable of running it consistently online!!
in AMS2 during sunrise fog grips the grass and creates mist for the cars to cut through at daytona. absolutely unreal
@@velociviper77 Damn. I'll have to try and replicate this, thanks for the heads up. A couple of days ago someone that posts his VR AMS2 races daily (Owen Evans) somehow managed to get snow during the race. Yes, you heard this right. AMS2 apparently has snow! And it wasn't just some constant cheap effect. It was variable and at one point the wind picked up and it looked you were in a blizzard. In AMS2! I kid you not, I learn something new about this sim on a daily basis and it never ceases to amaze me. Best money ever spent (no, not a sly on iracing slaves, just a fact)
Edit: I also posted somewhere yesterday where they featured a trailer for LMU that they have their work cut out for them if they intend to top AMS2's Le Mans track. And based on what I saw, they're falling well short.
iRacing fans criticism is worthless, youre all just defending your sunken cost fallacy.
Its not like youre EVER going to turn around and say I dont mind i wasted all that money the other sim is better.
Youre bias
Or maybe some people genuinely prefer iRacing and experience value in it that you don’t.
Although i most of yhe time agree on a comment like this ill be fr this guy is bias tbh @@jraces
I know iracing is probably better but man with how expensive it is, iracing just looks so outdated... Even though it's not about that I enjoy AMS2 more for now.
The iRacing b-fans are going crazy because they couldn't kill AMS2. LOL.
I love both games and play them roughly the same. Iracing is a bit like a chore at times, learning the same track over countless laps to shave tenths from my laptime. While I enjoy that sometimes it's also fun to hop on a track and just have fun. For me it depends on how my day went haha
Great video, love that you are always fair and honest with your opinions on different titles. Thanks for another great video.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand youve made a myriad of classic mistakes.
>the rotation is wrong!
>Brake bias at 50/50 in one sim and 58/42 in another
bruh
How are you sure that the different cars use the same master cylinders?
iracing graphic made in 18th century. despite of this, LM track in racing looks strange and incorrect.
In all terms, and in terms of physics - prefer ams2
AMS2 cause you can buy the Game and the DLC for the price of one Car in Iracing and then you actually drive and not need a subscription.
Hey mate, found your channel a few weeks ago, and really enjoy your content! Loved the info in this video, concise, straight to the point and most importantly, entertaining! Keep it up!
Ah mate thank you so much and really pleased you’re enjoying the videos!
Now that's a dangerous topic! I race both and they are actually very different. I've never driven anything close to an LMDh car on track (more Mazda MX5 at track days) so its more my feel. I really enjoy driving AMS2 and its made massive leaps forward. In terms of having a realxing AI sim race it can't be beaten and the new endurance pack is really excellent. iRacing is alot more work and my personal take is its strongest on the ovals and of course the online racing is the best online. All the cars in iRacing are high quality, whilst AMS2 is a bit up and down. So which ones best, it totally depends what your wanting to do.
Another great video Ben.
For myself I find AMS2 the easier sim to drive the LMDh cars, now is that because the cars need tweaking in AMS2 or AMS2 has a "lesser" physics model.
I will never IRL get to drive any of these cars so I would have to go with the sim I feel "safer" in - hence AMS2.
I prefer the sound in AMS2 as well.
FFB in AMS2 is far far superior than what I get in iRacing. iRacing FFB for me is very weak and has no detail, it did not improve with irFFB either. These cars can put out 30Nm in some of the corners so you need that stronger FFB feeling.
Graphics, again I think AMS2 has the edge, newer version of Le Man circuit as well. I know it is not about eye-candy. Even better if you include the rain which as we all know is not available yet in iRacing.
As for liveries iRacing wins hands down on that. In which it can impede the number of cars on track in AMS2. I have not looked into creating liveries for AMS2 and do not know if it is even possible.
Multiplayer - well that is easily iRacing. I am sure if more and more people get into AMS2 this will improve and I am sure Reiza will work on that side.
Being bit of an iRacing fan boy I was suprised how much I prefer AMS2 in the LMDh and Gen2 GT3 cars. So winner for me is AMS2 in the LMDh cars.
You can indeed make liveries for ams2 however you are limited in that you can only override available cars existing in game and cannot add more cars. Maybe someday…? 😊
@@kevin_mThank you for that info. Hopefully they will allow to add liveries in the future.
@@hdvrNG what I meant is that as far as I know you can not add any more “ID’s” of cars into the games car selection screens. Yes you can have a load of cars on track but the same liveries will be used on multiple cars. :). But someone will correct me if I’m 100% wrong on this. :)
How much is AMS2 with all DLCs? 110, 120 freedom bucks?! That says it all. Try that in iRacing.
Even cheaper if you caught the new years sales. Gone now.
I'll be attending this years 6 hours of São Paulo and I cant wait, will be able to see the 963, Mustang and 992 in real life, I think the race will be a banger too, Interlagos is really short and there will be at least a 10 second lap time difference between the Hypercars and GT3's so the protrypes will be constantly having to overtake traffic.
Not to mention Ill get to hear those cars, the monstorous V Series R, Mustang, Corvette and 963 and all the other cars too tbh, they all sound really good
Consider yourself a very lucky man. I was lucky enough to attend a F1 race in Jacarepagua (spelling?) when FIA had the Rio track in the calendar before it got switched to Interlagos. One of the best days of my life, still can't get the sound of a screaming McLaren out of my head all these years later.
Amazing my friend - I hope you have a super time!
What is best or realistic is highly subjective, and people who favor one will disagree with anyone favoring the other. These videos will either make you feel better about your own sim or compel you to defend it. It’s best not to be loyal to any of them and enjoy them for what they are.....games we play with toy wheels.
Haha I tend to agree there’s always a bit of this but I think it’s sort of the same in all video games. I remember being involved in countless arguments about FIFA and PES back in the day… 😅
LOL the good old PES (Winning Eleven) Sim vs FIFA arcade 😂
Iracing looks like crap compared to AMS2 ...
I spend a lot of time in iRacing. Every time I play AC, ACC, or AMS2, I'm reminded that iRacing sounds like absolute dog shit in comparison. It does. The cars don't sound good. But everything else about it (it also doesn't look the best, but we know that) keeps me around.
The hybrid system is completely wrong in iRacing. iRacing just copied the simplified F1 hybrid system, which is completely inaccurate to LMDh regulations. It’s been requested many times on the forums, but as usual iRacing seems to be putting more time in marketing than game mechanics.
AMS2 isn't in the same ballpark as Iracing let alone Asseto Corsa. The cars in ams2 sim don't drive like high downforce prototypes at all.
Look how Tandy drives this car IRL and I dont think its far off haha. these cars are heavy and dont have the level of downforce of lmp1 cars from the past. they do slide
I think the fact we're even comparing these two games is a huge win for Reiza.
They are a tiny company that started out building a game because they loved Brazil Stock Cars. Now they are getting LMDh endurance racing licenses and Le Mans (notoriously difficult and expensive to get a license for).
They're still working towards a finished product. It's constantly evolving as they develop the Madness Engine and are working closely with Ian Bell (the original creator of the engine).
I think by the end of 2024, if they can implement better MP and bigger grid sizes, we'll have a serious sim contender on our hands.
if LMU comes out you should do iRacing vs AM2 vs LMU
It’s like you’ve read my mind - should have something in that space coming soon!
ASM2 is the better, I dont have to pay "rent" to iracing to play it.
I like AMS2 a lot, but it’s a game not a sim like iracing. I race in real life and don’t feel connected in any way to the cars in AMS2.
We need more race videos uploads 😢 keep it up!
Haha they will return!
what are these graphics on Iracing it looks garbage like is everything on low settings or??
Which of the simulators is the most optimized? For a 1650 4gb and quest 2 vr?
I’m not a VR guy buddy but I believe AMS 2 is the best optimised for VR
I think we should overall acknowledge how insane AMS2 is to even be compared to Iracing at this level. What they offer for the money should be commended.
AMS2 just needs a better online ranked multiplayer system. Rfactor2 added a system recently, so maybe Reiza will do so too.
@@andypang6416 I very much hope so too!!
I will never get past the potato graphics of iracing. The game looks like shit, and it always will. It’s 2024, not 1990.
Worth noting that compared to IRL, the iRacing cars are generally much faster than they shohld be. Not sure what the times were like in AMS2 but potentially some of the feeling of responsiveness and grip feeling was because they just have too much. Would be interested in getting a laptime compqrison. Good video though 👍
Does the Porsche in AMS2 also go crazy on the TC in the Porsche curves like the Caddilac?
Great look at the differences. What i DID do was tweak my i-racing reshade further to get it closer to Automobilista's look. LOL. Yeah, so that's where I'm at.
Good comparison, Love the video!
Thanks mate - glad you enjoyed it!
The only reason people still play iRacing over everything else is their online ecosystem.
I can't wrap my mind around the fact that no one really tried to compete with them in that regard.
One way to settle the "this vs. that" dilemma: how about doing a 5 lap comparison on the Le Mans and the Interlagos tracks? Of course, tune the cars to your liking as much as you wish. Then it'd be interesting to see what lap times you got with both. Along with your opinions on handling, tire wear, feeling of being at the track, FFB input and one other main criteria: which gave you the bigger smile and/or willingness to pound the wheel in frustration?
If you have the time also do a short race, although I have no idea if that's even possible in iRacing seeing how it doesn't offer single player races (or does it?) and let us know how you feel about the AI.
After all the overall experience is what matters at the end: whether you're left smiling from ear to ear or cracked the steering wheel in frustration. Given your experience in sim racing I'd love to hear your honest opinion at the end of such tests.
Really interesting, thanks Ben
Thanks Russell!
Fair and accurate on all fronts. Very nice assessment, mate! Thanks for the video!
AMS2 nor iracing compare to RF2 and AC!
I find AMS2 in general too arcadey, with the brakes you cant feel the car rotating You just make them slide, but it is a very easy slide, easy to countersteer, like playing a rally game.
This is not as pronounced in LMDh cars, but that arcade feel is still there.
Nils Naujoks just did a video explaining some of the feel in AMS 2 and I thought it was very interesting. Not arcadey as such, but all to do with how yaw is simulated. Worth a look!
Iracing
I wonder how many people are still using the legacy Default FFB over the new updated Default+ in AMS2.
Default is not legacy. It's what most people should use. Default+ is for those who want some extra effects included.
Yet it still handles like a bag of 💩
Have you added the custom FFB file - it completely transforms AMS2, and much better feelings of the cars on track.
Yes bro with porsche its ffb as real and awesome❤
Hi, I had no idea this was possible, I just got the game on sale last week and found that the FFB was really nice out of the box, especially with the LMDh cars (like the feedback on the fraction of a section that the Porsche would skip traction due to a slight bump in the road). If this can be improved further I'd like to give it a try. If you could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.
It’s really a great comparison video, but please it’s a Porsch-EEEE.
Don’t swallow the E, my poor German ears are truly hurting..
You won’t call a Ford a For or a Subaru a Subar.
Why do people do it with Porsche and say it so badly?
It's the accent. English people say it with their accent, Lithuanian like myself say it with a Lithuanian accent and so on. there is no one correct way to say it, there's multiple.
@@eimantasmerescenkovas7792 lol nope there is only one correct way to say it, it is a NAME!
If it’s a word I will totally agree with you, but names are names.
They have a specific way they need to be pronounced.
This is even defined in their corporate legal definition.
It’s necessary to define the name exactly for the copyright.
@@rolux4853 I guess it's just accepted to pronounce the name differently in different languages, as is with many other names. Even the ads of cars on the TV pronounce it differently. I do get your point though, but yh...
Haha I’m sorry buddy - I butcher all kinds of names which is a shame given my primary hobby is to talk over videos on TH-cam with international brands and driver names 🤦♂️ The good thing is that next time I’m faced with a Porsche on track I’ll remember this comment 😂
Thanks for the kind feedback!
Who cares how it's pronounced. The people who add the EEEE just sound like dickheads anyway
Great Video! You should play some RaceRoom again lately the lobbies have been full and with the new tire physiks the F4's feels awesome and very precise!
Definitely hoping to play some RaceRoom - have struggled for non rookie grids the last few times I logged in, but hopefully soon!
Comparing apples and oranges......AM2 is a nice Arcade Game with the physics. Comes not even close to iRacing but nice try for the video.
Get a free month of irenting for making that comment?
iracing fanboy can’t take it that ams2 is improving
Ams2 physics is still way off unfortunately as is their AI…
I have tried to love AMS2, but it is still a slidey mess, with almost non existing feeling of downforce, bad behavior under braking, weird weight transfer. It has nice FFB and decent AI (but that is relative to the abysmal AI of most racing sims.) It is leaugues behind Assetto Corsca (seriously try race sim studios mods with csp physics, like their latest GT3 cars and Formula Hybrid), Rfactor 2 and Iracing (a game I do not even like that much, Iracing is so difficult to control if you go to the limit)
We live in two very different worlds...
Why do people say ams2 is realistic? It's fun, I'll give it that, but I never feel like I'm driving a car. The reactions of the car to inputs are totaly mechanic and have very little to do with actual physics.
Have you ever drive a Lmdh in real life?? Or any race car? If no, you don't know what you talking about.
Have you? This is a ridiculous argument. Laws of physics are the same for every thing on this planet. And can not be cheated. And cars in Ams2 defy the basic laws of physics.
@@jps339 to be fast in ams 2 you have to drive the cars completely wrong by drifting every corner many real drivers have said iracing is the most realisting and ams 2 is not realistic at all. how many modern f1 cars do you see drifting every corner?
@@jps339 Dumbest argument I keep hearing. I don't need to know how real cars behave to know AMS2 physics are waaaay off. Going 200 mph over a sausage curb with a vintage f1 sideways is soo easy to correct just to name 1 instance. This is not even possible in F1 2023.
@@Salod7806 It's debatable. I don't know about AMS2 specifically but in real life you don't have to learn inputs by heart to drive a car like in iRacing, you're supposed to be able to feel the slip angle and dance around the limit, and when you're over the limit the car won't necessarily spin out uncontrollably like they do in iRacing. I'm making broad statements but when they can't achieve perfect realism, games have to chose their design philosophy. iRacing wants us to drive on eggshells whereas other games like AC and AMS2 allow for some amount of recovery which is also realistic in its own way.
I think AMS2 is massively overrated. The engine is just not good for sim racing, it was the same wit PC2 which was one of the first "sims" (I didn't know it was a simcade back then) I tried. I almost quit sim racing because the physics in PC2 were that bad. AMS2 has not a lot in common with AMS1, the team at Reiza are trying to make it work with the engine, but it just doesn't have a lot in common with real car handling, it feels terrible to be honest.
Hater detect , AMS2 is a awesome simulator!
@@alexcouri_arquiteto I state my opinion, AMS2 fanboys put me in the hater bucket, oh I love it, and didn't expect anything else tbh.
Have you tried the Porsche and Ferrari vintage mods? It is crazy how well they drive compared to the stock AMS2 cars. Same for the GT3 class. The madness engine and modders are able to do it but Reiza isn't... Crazy
ASM2 is nowhere in the same league as Iracing physics-wise. Hell, even GT7 feels more natural to drive than AMS2. Thanks for comparing but it does come off as a bit silly.
Not as silly as your comment. Your LMDH car parked in the garage is it?
@@mikecroshaw9233
I'm sorry the only 'sim' you are able to drive is a simcade. Don't take it out on me.
No sim is perfect (Iracing, AC, Raceroom, ACC) but AMS2 is so far off it is not even funny and it needs to be mentioned.
But keep that mantra of "nobody knows real life physics so AMS2 is fine" if that helps you sleep at night.
@@MrBreakthompson wow...this is the kind of attitude that puts people off sim racing. I can drive other sims just fine thanks, I have the same number of hours in RF2 as I do in AMS2, I had a great time in LFM doing the RF2 content. I have my ACC LFM license, even though I choose not to play it because it sucks in VR. And I have my A license in iRacing. I'm not especially quick in any of those sims, but I am competent in them and can drive them just fine. I just prefer AMS2. And your attitude is what really annoys people who choose AMS2 as their main sim. A lot of them are very experienced sim racers, some of them I know come from pretty high iRatings ( they are much better than me ), some come from esports even. Your elitist troll attitude is beyond sad.
@@mikecroshaw9233 Buddy, you're the one responding with a triggered AMS2 fanboy reaction. What did you expect in return from me? You reap what you sow.
Elitist? , we're talking about racing sims here, give me a break. And what is really sad is that you KNOW how the other ones are physics-wise. Yet you stick with AMS2? Yikes. That also applies to 'all of the people you know'. Good for them, but stop gaslighting about the sim aspects of AMS2. It is a bad simulator. Period.
Everybody criticizing AMS2 is either elitist, troll or 'dOnT DriVE the CAR in ReaL LIfe' according to fans like you. Which is another reason I don't like AMS2: its childish community.
@@MrBreakthompsontalking about childish while sending out the most childish crybaby ass replies 💀