Are the Sony A7siii Internal Codecs Trash?! | ProRes Raw vs XAVC-I
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Summary: Which codecs do you prefer to use and why?
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the raw is not for get a better image, is for have more options to make a intense edit. You cant compare this 2 modes of you dont aply a intense colorgrading, push the lights down, change a lot some colors.
I discovered my videos graded in log are worse than choosing a picture profile from Sony. I think we have this need to get the best quality, but there's also a need to realize that a one person show will not be like a full studio feature.
@@ronbackal maybe depends of the light situation, did you try to use the phantom luts on the slog3? did you put to 1.7 or 2.0 when shoot in slog3? I notice that slog3 is very good for shoot when the ambient have a lot of light, but when is dark is very dificult to manipulate the image, diferent from raw, that you can push the image a lot more in the shadows
The difference in color space, detail and gradation is pretty obvious both in skin tone and primary colors. The PRR wins out. I guessed right on all. But if you shoot night scenes, the internal noise reduction kicks into high gear and you've no control over it. In PRR there's no NR applied, allowing me to control that in post. Watch your tests on a large screen TV or project it and the differences are even more profound.
from my conversation with Atmos sales, if you record prores you will get higher resolution due to the 4K DCI capability of the recorder. you wont get the 4K DCI aspect but you will get super sampling of the pixels in your 4K UHD footage.
I love your extremely blunt comments over certain things😂….subbed!
On my FX30 I notice some color differences when I shoot raw over internal. It’s not a huge difference, it’s just the color science like you said. With RAW you’re quite literally just capturing the sensor, and the Ninja V is just recording what it sees. That’s it. It by passes the majority of the encoding and processing the camera is doing, which the end product is that “Sony look”. Well, if the camera really isn’t doing much on the recording side, then your image won’t be the same. It’s not better or worse, it’s just different. And on the fx30 having that 12 bit color latitude - it’s just like you said - who cares about color science if you can manipulate it in post anyway?
ProRes raw you are also getting 12bit color so a lot more colors to work with that's why it looked like that. I guest it off the jump when I saw the color details.
There is different dynamic range,12 bit is not really visible specially on TH-cam (compression)
This data is important when you do edit, for colours shifting and separation.
Yeaaaaa I'm going to call BS on that. You can't visually see a difference in colors especially on TH-cam or hell even if the footage was right on front of you. It only shows a difference when editing
@@Brookssmedia exactly. this is why i don't use TH-cam to learn video stuff..
My teachers always record two forms of audio because they had that happen before
Progress raw, it’s not only more data, there is more possibilities for edit, is not for better picture quality, but you can achieve more with progress raw in edit Example, If you mess up white balance on progress raw is easier to get right colours.
No one says files from fx3 or a7siii are trash 🤣🤣🤣
I think you lost concept what for progress raw are.
Good day buddy
Exactly, the internal processing is rubbish with the capacity offered by the raw, and the luts look better when there is a greater amount of information, but many do not understand it that way.
If you are using the Atomos Ninja V to record, notice, it records the HDMI data as it is, and the video data comes in full range, while any internal recording, even tho it is in full range, it contains its metadata stating that it is in full range, thus, apps like Premiere and Resolve understand and treat the footage accordingly, this doesn't happen with ProRes recorded externally.
Prores from the atomos has a different gamma curve than the internal camera codecs. I had to create a powergrade in DaVinci Resolve to adjust this.
Raw has no gamma curve nor color space. If you mean normal prores then yes you're right
you went crazy on the greens bro.
What you mean? Nothing was graded. Just Rec 709d
@@Brookssmedia the greens in the blacks are very saturated and unreal. but it doesnt matter as not everyone is using an Eizo
Noticed that too.
@@Brookssmedia GREEN ON BLACK THOU🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great video,I just sold my ninja v to go back to internal recording,and this video gave me the reassurance I needed thanks 💯
Go buy it back. Prores RAW is gold if you're professional, for amateurs the video/digital over sharpened looking internal codecs are fine
That's a flawed way of thinking. If his clients doesn't need raw footage or don't even notice the digital/video look that's all that matters. If he's getting paid for his footage he's a professional. Doesn't matter which codec he decides to use
@@Brookssmedia then get better clients
That doesn't make the clients any better or less when they can tell the difference between sharpened footage. The better client is the one that pays on time.
@@Brookssmedia True hehehe
The point of shooting in RAW on the a7Siii/FX3 is to by pass Sony’s horrendous in camera Noise Reduction + Sharpening
Yea I get that but is the extra workflow benefiting you or your client? Also is the storage space worth it? When the compressed footage gives you like 90% of the same image
you most likely are not working with clients that care about that level of detail while shooting on an FX3. If you get to this level of production, a prosumer camera will not do anymore due to the lack of features being operated by a crew rather than solo, not even image quality necessarily. ProRes RAW debate is pretty much useless aside from very niche scenarios (e.g. using this a crash cam or something, and even then it's only external RAW)....
Hi, nice video! Which PP did you use when you filmed your review and which settings in PP you have used as Blacl Level, Gamma, Knee .... ? @ 0:05 Can you please share your LUT you used to color grading review? Thanks in advance!! /Dennis
The magenta shift comment sent me lmao
Raw = More Colors
Bro I’m going to need to Panasonic love on this channel😂
Your color grade was better on the third clap , your final grade has a green hue
I agree. My grading has improved alot since this video
You’re really missing out, RAW is so much better. The internal codecs are too sharp and look more video-ish.
I have a Pocket 4k and ProRes RAW is a better RAW than BRAW because BRAW process the image slightly whereas ProRes RAW doesn’t.
Internal codecs are great to quick turn around though.
Luckily for the line of work that I'm doing my clients don't care or notice it. If I shot my stuff in 1080p they wouldn't even be the wiser. I don't think pro res raw offer enough value for the storage it consumes
Great explanation.
Thank you!
Raw files are much better for PCs and you have more info to edit even if you have a great exposures.
Do you apply lens correction on ProRes Raw?
Canon is better because you don’t suffer in post.
Did you need the Ninja V in order to record raw pro res?
Yes you can't do raw without it
Question. I just got a Sony A7sIII. When I shoot prores Raw, I get this really funky looking playback. Everything looks dark and super purple on my Ninja V display. Still looks the same even when uploaded to NLE. I've also noticed this when I rented an FX3. Do you know a solution?
How are you exposing it on your ninja? Have you tried exposing in PQ
Damn. First?
This test of utterly pointless.
Once you took the Lord's name in vain - I was out.
Me too. Inexcusable and like why? Did not the logic of his argument alone prove the point?