158: Hugh B. Brown’s Attempt to End Ban in 1962! (Part 4 of 13 Matt Harris)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- The United States were grappling with the Civil Rights Movement during the tumultuous 1960s. In our next conversation with Matt Harris, key events in the 1960s that affect the LDS Church’s teaching about race and how the Civil Rights Movement impacted the Mormon Church. We will also talk about the motivation behind the 1949 First Presidency statement, and apostle Hugh B. Brown’s attempts to rescind the ban.
We’ll also talk about Michigan and Mormon Governor George Romney’s run for the U.S. presidency. You might recognize his famous son Mitt Romney did the same just a few years ago. George Romney’s cousin was also an LDS Apostle, and the 1960s had a lot of factions for and against the ban on blacks from temple and priesthood. Check out our conversation….
I went on my mission in 1978 after the ban was lift. During my time at the newly renamed MTC. We all listened to church leaders tell us that the ban being lifted was a result of direct revelation. I remover a church leader ask us how many times we thought that President Kimball was visited by Jesus Christ in regards to running the church. The answer was never given but remember it was inferred that it could as much as a daily occurrence. As a young missionary I never had any idea that there was politicking inside the church.
Wow..never knew this facts of history.Groundbreaking!
My poor seminary teacher... He loved telling the story about how he was actually INSIDE the salt lake temple at the moment the revelation was given to lift the ban. You know how he knew? All the "lights suddenly got brighter", and he found out later that the president was there that day. So he thinks Jesus was there in person.
Amazing information!
Link to the 1963 talk by Hugh B. Brown referenced in the video: www.instituteofreligion.org/talk.php?&d=1963-10-06&s=1 I noted that it was the first talk of the Sunday morning session, so it was give a prime-time airing.
Thank you for the link!
He said if we grew up "in the church" we should know the position of the church on Blacks. I was born & raised in Ogden, Utah, & I didn't know that the church was racist which I see now that it was. Of course, when I found out that my older sister was excommunicated in 1952, I couldn't believe that either. It was my mother that convinced me. My sister married a non-member & when 2 men visited her & wanted a monthly donation, she told them she would need to speak to her husband. She received a letter telling her that they wanted to see her & gave her a date. Well, my sister was pregnant with her 3rd baby & the baby was born prematurely on that very day so boom, she was excommunicated. Her 2nd baby was stillborn & she had a very difficult delivery. They moved to Arizona shortly thereafter. I'm still shocked about it. I have always been active, but not allowing blacks to hold the priesthood described as "a mistake" has very much upset me. Our youngest daughter married a black man in the Dallas Temple.
If you want to watch all of the episodes with Matt, here is the playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLLhI8GMw9sJ4PLZQ0DkuXiq_ZMfr6_QNy.html
Wow so none of the Prophets are actually inspired but were racist white men?
Kimball removed the ban, so I don't think he fits in your broad brush. (Of course Brown doesn't fit your broad brush either.)
@@GospelTangents If the early prophets werent inspired neither were the later ones, he did it because of political pressure nothing to do with God, it shows you how wrong those people are, thanks for opening my eyes on this, family actually believe they are inspired, I am showing them this video.
@@barbarashorttobrien1337 I appreciate you showing the video, but you strike me as an angry ex-Mo. May you do something to calm down your anger. I don't think it is healthy for you.
@@GospelTangents Oh no Im fine I have no problem with the members my family all are members but have a problem with policies like these that have nothing to do with God, its nice to see actually members admit these policies have nothing to do with God but just very racist men. There are many things I disagree with but Thank you for your concern, this just proved what Ive tried to tell them and they agree this video was very eye opening, have a very good day because I know I will.
@@barbarashorttobrien1337 - In October 1978 I entered the MTC going on a mission to South Africa and Rhodesia. My companion and I were the first to begin teaching black people there (almost 2 years later) although I do understand it did happen decades before but it was halted.
Both Rhodesia and South Africa were in heavy political and violent upheaval with terrorists infiltrating from Mozambique and murdering people and blowing up important production plants. An attempt was made to blow up a coal gasification plant 15 miles from where I was working. This plant produced 90% of the gasoline used in automobiles in SA at the time.
In the area I worked in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe, we could not work after 6 PM because of the high probability of being murdered by terrorists. We also traveled between the cities we worked in machine gun protected conveys. It was simply too dangerous to travel alone.
Also, the United States was embargoing both countries over civil rights and many things were in short supply. (For example, in today's dollars we paid $11.50 for a gallon of gas.) As Americans we were hated and for good reason.
Many people there believed we were CIA and trouble creators. The government did not want us teaching black people to revolt so they did not want us teaching them at all. Any actions by Americans with the black population certainly could have strong backlash on that black community and they were already under horrible oppressions. These people had no civil rights and could be arrested and beaten and tortured with little consequence to anyone abusing these people.
Eventually, however, the government gave permission to teach black people in SA and we began teaching.
Also, and sadly, the black population as a whole were and still are very ill-educated. Nelson Mandell, a lawyer, was the exception not the norm.
The point here is that this is a far more complex issue than is understood without having lived in that environment at the time. The rest of the world is not like going to California or New York. Making a comment that these people were racists is unfounded and ill-educated and one I would have made if I did not understand and live the history.