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Or ......... YOU could consider asking the LDS for some of that 100 BILLION + funding they are stockpiling "for a rainy day" so that LDS members who pay tithing don't also have to pay to support your LDS supporting channel on TOP of all the money they tithe to this unbelievably HUGE stockpile of money and assets.
@@mooshamarie8791 Or ......... she can ask people to freely donate and they can if they want to. And you can stop worrying about a Church that you're obviously not a member of. Go do something better with your time.
You used the phrase "assigned at birth". That is NOT in the handbook, and it is VERY important to understand that gender is not "assigned" at birth. "Biological sex at birth" is what the handbook says because it is not necessary to assign anything - you are born male and female, and that is it.
@@ERoylance91 I think it is funny when people talk about the less than 1% of cases that we should make policy around. This is so rare that even considering it is absolutely ridiculous.
@@ERoylance91 They are not transgender but are rather considered intersex. Even being intersex most individuals tend to have characteristics closer to one gender rather than another. In fact, there are even some intersex individuals who don't even know that they have some chromosome abnormalities and live there live without ever knowing. Statistically speaking intersex individuals make up less than .01% of the trans population, (though technically they shouldn't be considered in that group).
@ERoylance91 clearly, there are birth defects that are the exception to the rule. Even so, just because it may not be clear in those situations what the gender is, it doesn't mean that they don't have a gender.
Thanks for the quick summary. Most of the comments are focusing on how we need to not get swayed by the world, which of course is important. But we also need to remember that those who consider themselves trans are not enemies. And the fact that they still want to attend our church should be encouraged. We need to treat them as individuals and not b afraid to befriend them, despite their membership restrictions. 😊
I am a lifelong, active member of the church who has also experienced gender dysphoria since my earliest memories. I have had many struggles with this, but I have never attempted to transition to a female presentation. My experience with this has never barred me from serving in the church (even when some of my leaders have known about it). I am personally grateful for continuing revelation and for the additional clarity on this issue. Much of this was already codified in the 2020 policy change, which (FINALLY) clarified unequivocally that "gender" in the Family Proclamation means "biological sex at birth." I had seen so many people wresting that principle to claim that their true, eternal gender identity was their preferred presentation. This new policy update is less dramatic than the 2020 update, but represents the Lord's prophets continuing to seek revelation and refine their efforts to minister to those who are sometimes in great pan and extreme distress, while stile maintaining doctrinal purity and consistency.
@@seancrandall1291 In my family are members who have different experiences with gender identity. These are both my children and grandchildren. It has been somewhat challenging for me to understand, even though they have explained this to me. Quite frankly, it seems to be harder for me to grasp what they were trying to explain to me than I realized. Thanks for sharing this with me. You’ve added another link 🔗 to my understanding which I very much appreciate. God bless you.
@@_Squiggle_Even for intersex, it is not so much "unknowable" as "more difficult to determine". Ultimately a DNA test will always determine the answer. Any y-chromosomes = male (no matter what number of x); otherwise female. There are cases where the doctor can get it wrong at birth since the genitals may be misleading and typically that is the only indicator doctors use. Many doctors default to female if it is unclear rather than running a genetic test. Point being doctors may assign a gender, but the church cares about the actual biology not that doctor's opinion. If later evidence shows that the doctor was wrong, the church would ammend its records.
@@_Squiggle_ The cases where it isn't just a variant of one sex or the other are vanishingly rare. The exception has come to dominate the entire conversation. Most cases of sex ambiguity produce someone who is either female or male, but in some way fail to develop full expression of the primary or secondary sexual characteristics. The determinant of sex is by the type of gonad, either ovary or testes, very very very few people have a true (and also always non-functional) ovo-testes. Some places in the world with genetic bottle-necks have much higher rates of some of these conditions, which inflates tremendously the international numbers. Modern medicine can determine sex at birth, even with someone with ambiguous genitalia. Although, it will require that they look. Intersex is a tricky category, because it isn't a single category at all, but a host of different rare genetic and developmental disorders and conditions. Many people who have some type of intersex genotype or phenotype are not healthy, and it is the underlying cause of disease for many of them. The most concerning recent advent in that field of study is that while intersex births are still very rare, but environmental contaminants have the potential to feminize males and disrupt normal female development. The phthalate syndrome research is very concerning.
I would love to take this section of the handbook into a time machine and go back 50 or 60 years and present them in a ward council meeting and watch the facial expressions of the participants . . .
@@isaiah-4310 Actually, he didn't. You seem to be quoting Ecclesiastes about fleeing sin or paraphrasing Paul about fleeing fornication, but Jesus himself walked with sinners, ate with publicans, forgave adulterers (with the charge to sin no more), and even included a thief and betrayer among his Apostles. Joseph of Egypt fled from immoral acts, but was surrounded by pagans and gave no heed to them. Jesus demonstrated that one can forsake the sin, but love the sinner. Is He, our Exemplar, an embracer too?
To me I feel like this is a good mix of respecting everyone despite keeping true to our values. Church policies are always changing but the gospel does not, and they make it clear that certain ordinances are meant specifically the way god intended with man and woman sealed together, and that gender is essential. I don’t believe god puts us in the wrong bodies, I believe we are born with our own unique issues, mentally or physically. Gender dysphoria is something I’m glad I haven’t ever experienced, but I imagine it’s very difficult to go through. Like any other illness that members go through, these members need our love and support. Hopefully they can become comfortable with the bodies that god gave them, and to not surgically alter a perfectly healthy body, but we cannot help them through their journey with prejudice and hate. We need to have more discussions in church about this, because I see so many young people- especially young women- get confused about their gender and sexuality. We need to provide a firm and steady foundation for them to rely on, and be there for them in case they trip and fall.
Trust me, no one who must be chaperoned to the bathroom is feeling respected. They feel like they are being treated as a danger. There is no dignity in this policy.
@@lijahsmum Not as a danger at all. But if a sign says “Men” and the other says “Women” there better only be men in the men areas and women in the women areas. T’s claim that there is nothing that defines what a man or a woman is, it’s simply a feeling. That’s fine, do that in your own time, but respect 99.99% of nature and stop trying to change society and nature and gods laws. Respect and love go both ways. If a man is in a bathroom with any of our wives and daughters, there’s going to be trouble, and there should be. Harmless or not. (I can’t believe I have to clarify that I’m talking about biological men and women)
@@lijahsmum That is to ensure both their safety and the safety of everyone else. It’s a precaution that must be taken. Even if it’s unnecessary to that individual, it’s better to be safer than sorry than to let anyone get hurt
you have it right. i'm 16 and live in liberal area. most of the people in my extended circle are some type of genderqueer, and most are girls. i know them all to be sweet and genuine people, but ALL have severe trauma (often from sexual abuse) and mental issues. they aren't attention-seekers or perverts or whatever like some say, but people who saw this gender stuff on the internet when they were young, and believed it, because everyone did, and leaned into it, because they wanted to get away from who they are and whatever's in their past. yet, instead of researching the psychology of this further and creating therapies to treat it and actually help these kids, the world feeds into their maladaptive coping mechanisms and makes everything worse. it's awful
I never thought this content would even get discussed, just 10 years ago. Jesus, we need you to return now. This world is no longer morally sustainable.
We have a political party that is extremely determined to push this agenda in a direction that will force all schools, companies, institutions and churches to conform to accepting the gender "confusion " doctrine. What we are seeing is just the start of it all. I have no idea how bad this will get in the future but this is not ever going away, at least not until Christ returns to make it all normal. As members of the church, we have to make up our own minds on the subject with the realization that this subject is more complicated than any of us want to admit.
I was about to say this is pretty weak until I saw the next paragraph that says "Worthy individual who do not pursue surgical, medical, or social transition away from their biological sex at birth may enjoy all the privileges of Church membership."
Elder Neal A. Maxwell explained that at the time of the Great Flood, “corruption had reached an agency-destroying point that spirits could not, in justice, be sent here” How could we not be at this point right now? It's almost like some kids in some areas do not even have a chance.
@@Sk8StGeorge The US is pushing this agency destroying malarkey onto the rest of the world. It’s time for the heavens to raise up a new nation unto god, the US lost its chance. Scary stuff.
Yeah, well we can't do anything because it's "not nice". So bend over and take it until the prophet tells us to take up arms or Jesus presses the wine vat...I'm up for either at this point.
Remember, the Lord spoke favorably about the lamanites from time to time because they were raised in wickedness and had no knowledge of right compared to the nephites who were raised right, but chose wickedness from time to time. Many women are murdering their children, and we know from revelation, these children are saved in the celestial kingdom and will have all opportunities to receive exaltation. All things are working in God’s favor and all wickedness shall stand as a testimony against the wicked. No one will be surprised when they are cut off from God’s presence at Judgement. But, I do sorrow for it to be the end of it all.
My goodness sadness all to please every one feelings .. this world is getting worse and worse.. Jesus is not pleased and all will see soon that's a fact .. much love to all of you no hate here Bless everyone..we need Jesus to at least visit for a HR and talk to the world..
Jesus can't and won't come until we learn to solve these problems and create Zion. Believing that somebody is going to come down and force solutions on people. That sounds like Satan's plan.
@@korvaamiko66 interesting... This of course is a little bit ironic, because Mormons depend very greatly on the ambiguity of certain definitions, words, in the use of the English language. For instance; they have changed what they contend is by definition a plural marriage. They have included that one must cohabitate and have children, in order for it to be considered a polygamist marriage. Go to any dictionary, and I think the language defining what polygamy is is very clear; it's being married to more than one person. They've also done the same with the word virgin, adding that the sanctity of virginity can only be taken by a earthly man from an earthly woman. Brigham Young along with the other early apostles and other founders of the Mormon church dictate that the birth of Christ was by their definition a virgin birth, but it was God that consummated this conception of Christ with Mary into the physical realm. Several of their early church leaders don't believe that the Holy Ghost had caused the immaculate conception of our Lord and Savior.
My daughter had a friend from YW church sleepover around 8 years ago. I later found out that the YW was actually a transitioning boy. The church leaders should not have let that boy attend YW. We dont allow sleepovers anymore.
Not even safe with actual biological girls having sleepovers. I had a sleepover with a girl that I thought was my friend at the age of 13. I thought it was weird she kept trying to hold my hand while watching a movie then when we went to bed things got much worse than her trying to hold my hand. I was mortified and embarrassed to tell anyone about what happened and I didn't realize what exactly happened until I got older and was talking to my older sister and one of her close friends about that situation. They told me she molested me and I didn't know until then that is what happened. Definitely not safe even with family sleepovers like cousins. Too many bad stories out there. We are tools in God's hands for sure, but idle hands can most definitely be the devils playground.
@@aMuenchGrinch our stake had a YW girls camp and let a bi-girl stay the night and the morning after all the girls said they were bi, presumably bc she made them do things and then used that as leverage to groom them.
In the midst of many Christian Churches giving up the Biblical standards one after another, this church does not give in to the worldly agenda. Great news!
I mean, it depends on what you mean by gender If you mean what clothes you wear, what hairstyle you use, and which toy aisle you get toys from, then gender is pretty much assigned to you by your parents If you mean what your chromosomes are and what sex characteristics you have, then yeah, that is determined at conception
@@_Squiggle_ gender isnt fashion..in fact humans dont have gender, words do linguistically. we have sex which is observed by DNA in the 1st or 2nd trimester. sex is determined eternally for our spirits and matched physically at conception
@@SaxSpy "in fact humans dont have gender, words do linguistically" Only if you define gender as something only words have Arguing about definitions is silly, all definitions are made up You can use a different word to describe "what clothes you wear, what hairstyle you use, and which toy aisle you get toys from" Whatever it is, though, exists and some people call it gender
This is biologically not true. It takes about roughly 12 weeks or 3 months for the Y chromosome to kick in, meaning if you’re a male you were female for the first trimester of your life.
The handbook does not say “ASSIGNED” at birth; it actually says “biological sex at birth”. This is a huge distinction. We know that biological sex is determined at conception, NOT at birth! We also know the spirit enters the body at some time after conception; we just don’t know exactly at what point it enters the unborn child’s body during gestation.
@@dr33776 For you and me, once conceived, we cannot transcend the womb, making us and the rest of humanity bound to our physical locality. However, as the pre-mortal Messiah, Jesus was endowed with the Father’s glory-a glory composed of light that fills the immensity of space, connecting His spirit to every particle of the universe. From an 'ability' standpoint, this divine connection would allow Jesus to spiritually accomplish both tasks: sustaining His mortal pre-birth body and appearing to others
@@Aristotle33 any scriptural backing to that assertion? Also, according to Smith the father and son are physically locatable but not the Holy Ghost so I don’t know where you get they can be everywhere at all times.
"Real love for the sinner may compel courageous confrontation-not acquiescence! Real love does not support self-destructing behavior." - Russell M Nelson Strongly recommend reading President Nelson's "Teach us Tolerance & Love" general conference talk in which he warns of taking tolerance too far.
Jeff, that is roughly parallel to something I listened to Jacob Hansen talk about recently (on Ward Radio?). He differentiated between “contention” and “the spirit of contention,” defined them both, and showed why only “the spirit of contention” is forbidden. Thank you for the Pres Nelson talk! I’ll go read it.
@jeff3olsen it’s not ad hominem it’s factual. I gave you one reason and a conclusion. Russell Nelson teaches that Gods love is conditional which is so ridiculous since Christianity is based on the Father sacrificing his perfect son for unworthy sinners.
It is a complicated issue There's a blurry line around what "socially transitioning," for example. Driving a truck is considered 'manly' but it's ok for women to do. Wearing a dress is considered 'feminine' but it's *not* ok for men to do. It's complicated Plus, transgender individuals are usually really struggling and fierce intensity will probably be harmful and less effective than love and gradual change
@@omacookie Haha I use driving a truck because it's obviously a silly cultural thing It's like the color pink or dinosaur toys, something that is gender-affiliated but not a hard and fast rule
@@_Squiggle_: I think you’re missing the point of transitioning. A man wearing a dress doesn’t necessarily mean he’s transitioning. A man telling people that he’s a girl is transitioning no matter what he wears.
@@drc5378 I'm looking at the exact text of the handbook and I think we are both wrong. "Worthy individuals who do not pursue surgical, medical, or social transition away from their biological sex at birth may enjoy all the privileges of Church membership." Even transgender individuals can have all the privileges of Church membership if they don't transition. This next quote says transitioning requires two things 1) identifying as the opposite gender and 2) presenting as the opposite gender. Number 1 by itself is actually fine for members to do (as evidenced by the first quote). Number 2 by itself also seems fine, though I would have said otherwise until I read the text "Church leaders counsel against pursuing surgical, medical, or social transition away from one’s biological sex at birth. (Social transitioning means intentionally identifying *and* presenting oneself as other than one’s biological sex at birth, and may include changing dress, grooming, names, or pronouns.)"
The church should never go back on its principles. I have never been a member, but I have such respect for them because if the laws of God never change and they don’t, neither should what is permissible in the church.
I hope the church doesn’t fall. I love my LDS church and it has good people. I hope Satan doesn’t corrupt us. Remember the church is full of people who aren’t perfect. That’s why we must always rely on God and His principals that He taught in the Word. God, the Bible, and the Book of Mormon is what we need to rely on. God told me the Book of Mormon is true. I trust in Him. Jesus is God. I love everyone even if you are my enemies.
“These individuals often face complex challenges. They-and their family and friends-should be treated with sensitivity, kindness, compassion, and Christlike love. All are children of God and have divine worth.”
“34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” -John 13:34-35
THANK YOU !!! This is a sensitive topic. This is GREAT NEWS that the " Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ", has taken the measures to address this problem. The main thing is that ALL PEOPLE need to be HONEST with their Bishop. Another great video, Thank You.
Uncomfortable for you and your children? What about those who are facing the myriad challenges and inherent discrimination of navigating gender dysphoria?
I don't understand why these have to be such difficult topics. Truth is truth. We can treat others with kindness but compromising our integrity before God should never be on the table. "Our zeal to keep the second [great] commandment must not cause us to forget the first." I wish our leaders would stand more boldly and unequivocally for truth both in word and in deed.
I've seen how members of the church treat members of the LGBTQ+ community. It's not with kindness, or it's a kind of fake kindness that's not truly kind or genuine. Love the sinner and hate the sin rarely results in true love. I worked in a school, and I saw entire families destroyed over this issue, including suicide and murder. When all parties dig in their heels and refuse to "compromise their integrity," it results in destroyed lives. That's why this is a difficult topic. Because those who have experienced it first-hand see how destructive it is, and the religious people are almost never blamed for it. Satan didn't get to them. They stayed true to their faith, and they are congratulated for it, even when their behavior is abusive and full of hate. It is ALWAYS the LGBTQ+ person who gave in to Satan, causing things to fall apart, even if they are the kindest, nicest person on the planet. I'm not sure what you would like church leaders to stand for, but as someone who saw this happen over and over again in my classroom, sometimes resulting in student deaths, I wish more church leaders would advocate for compromise and peace instead of unwavering loyalty to God and religion. It is possible to hold to your values and be a genuinely kind person too, but that's not what ends up happening in far too many cases.
I don't understand why people think this is compromising in any way. The only slightest hint of compromise is in the bathroom, where, to be allowed in the opposite bathroom, the bathroom would have to be empty and you'd have to have someone accompany you. Literally it's the same policy as for any other sin. If you're actively smoking, you can still come to church, but you can't get baptized. If you suffer from an addiction, but are not partaking, you can go to the temple. (Addiction is lifelong)
@@isaiah-4310 The verse that makes God out of Greek nature sayings? Okay. Is Greek Nature Jesus more gentle and inclusive of his trans children? Does he understand their hearts and minds better?
As man, and a member of the lgbtq community, and exmember of the lds church, and someone who disagrees with the LDS church stances on LGBTQ community, I understand these policies, I don't necessarily agree but I feel like the church is trying to show compassion and mercy the best way they know how.
@@DodoLoco515 maybe a better way of putting it is they came a long way, when i was younger, any out lgbtq person was excluded from everything, and I mean everything. As I stated above I disagree with the policy, but I see movement in a more compassionate direction, is it enough no, there trying to balance more Traditional Members and there more Progressive members, and that has to be hard, I believe in full inclusion, but if you grew up in the 80's and 90's you would understand how toxic the lds church was to the lgbtq community in many ways it still is, but a small step is still a step in the right direction. In the 90's or eairly 2000's a young trans person would have not been considered at all, they would have excluded them from everything. I feel like the lds church is always 20 years behind culture and I think in another 10 or 20 years this will be a non issue for most people in the church. Again just my opinion.
@@DodoLoco515 I would love to hear more trans voices on this topic, my trans friends who I have talked to about this seem to have mixed feelings about the policy, as do I.
@@danielwilliams1289 thank you Daniel. And I understand where you are coming from. I am the mother of a transgender child. No one knows our struggle, our pain watching our child trying to find their place in this world. As a lifelong active member of the church, it's pretty tough to read these comments knowing that I am sitting next to this kind of bigotry, hatred - and most of all, fear - every week. This is reminiscent of the climate around the Civil Rights Movement. All of these comments would be right at home in a study on desegregation.
Until you’ve walked in another’s shoes, you don’t truly understand their experience. I’m certain our transgender brothers and sisters experience challenges and difficulties no one would choose and anyone else could only try to understand. It’s good to see that the Church is trying to better understand their experience and be as sensitive and compassionate as possible within the gospel of Jesus Christ and all that has been restored and revealed. I only hope that church culture and the members in wards around the world can be just as sensitive and compassionate to these children of God who are known to Him and loved. It’s what Christ would do.
Thank you for this beautiful comment. I'm a mother to an excellent child who is walking their own path, trying to decide who they are. I truly believe with all my heart, that God knows and loves all his children. When Jesus walked the earth so long ago, he ministers to the Sinners and saints alike. We love all of God's children ad he taught us too, and through our examples of love, compassion, and true integrity.. We show them that God is there for them as well! .❤❤❤
@@Applest2oApples It is compassionate to the women, young women and little girls who shouldn't feel uncomfortable in a restroom with a male who believes himself to be the opposite sex.The church is also addressing what they know about many trans identified males- many struggle with autogynephilia or other mental health issues.
I am grateful for the policy statements which seem to align with and reinforce statements regarding gender in the family proclamation. I do not see any relaxation of those standards, which is reassuring.
Read or listen to Jeffrey R. Holland's October 2009 Conference Address: "Safety for the Soul"... with the words of President Nelsons counsel.... we will not be able to survive these coming days without what?????? My love to all of you. Jesus is coming. And God wins ❤
This announcement isn't late. It's right on time. In other words, it is timely and well-considered. The majority of church members already understand how to believe and approach this issue, even before the announcement was made. There has been a period of observation to see how members navigate this challenge-whether they hold fast to doctrine or conform to cultural pressures, perhaps insisting that the church align with prevailing cultural norms. Unfortunately, some have been misled by these influences. Now, with this announcement, these members have an opportunity to realign with doctrine. It will be important to see how they respond
If people only knew why the doctrine of male and female was important. The mysteries of the kingdom are contained within properly understanding these two genders.
Love these changes or clarifications. We can do our best to love them and respect their choices and hopefully they can be respectful and understanding in return.
What is sad is how a transgender person is treated. Some members accept them and some don't. If you attend a sacrament meeting you will find out. Every human being is a child of God and should be shown love, sensitivity, and respect. Unfortunately some members don't talk the talk, walk, the walk. They might have been baptized but are are not totally converted. They do not understand charity or the pure love of Christ. The unconditional love. They should be grateful that they were not born with the condition and challenges faced by a gay person or a transgendered person. Many members have never talked to or have gotten to know as a friend a gay or transgendered person. They are some of the most caring. loving and friendliest people. My challenge is get to know some of these special people. They are the children of God.
@@dnllamb Unfortunately many of those people in the transgender and community have had these experiences. These are facts. That is why you hardly see them at church. They feel unwelcome, and uncomfortable.
Here's a novel idea; trust in God, think celestial, bear the cross that Christ asked us all to carry and follow Him, follow the prophet. It's not easy, but it is worth it. No matter what you think or feel, realize that you need to set that aside if it is not in line with church doctrine, and trust that it will all be sorted out perfectly by a loving and merciful God in the next life. This mortal life is a blip...don't make a ripple out of a blip...?
@@isaiah-4310 lol tell me you dont understand the scriptures without telling me. We dont now follow Christ...we've always followed Christ, since Adam. And God doesnt change...He called prophets before and He still does now.
@@JasonPaull if the church has a prophet why can’t he just ask Jesus what the proper position is? And with simple and direct authority Russ Nelson can say “thus saith the Lord” and make it plain. This is how the word of wisdom came right? Joseph asked the Lord what to do. And of course the lesson learned is that Joseph (or the prophet) could directly inquire of heaven and receive clear revelation. Why is this not the case now?
@@kcb5336 Did God not say "my ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts"? You expect me to be able to tell you why God works how He works? Through all time God has always taught line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little. The restoration of the gospel is an ongoing process...things are going to change when God deems it the right time. You can question God if you like, I won't.
@@JasonPaull I didn’t question God or you. I questioned why Russ Nelson does not ask. How was the word of wisdom revealed? Joseph asked. He was a friend of the lord and able to do so. This issue seems even more important to me. The Lord could clarify in black and white then. Why not now?
Taking up our cross means the responsibility for the life you've been given. So even if it feels awkward, bear it and you will be rewarded. Don't try to force your burden on others. Love isn't trust, love them but don't encourage sadness and suicide by telling them it's fine to be a law unto yourself.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky I hope someday you are freed from that restless spirit of contention that you are letting govern you. It will produce much sadness listening to it.
I'am reading the comments INSTEAD of listening.... ( No offense) She is just speaking too fast and I'am confused about the topic as it is! Sometimes I learn MORE from the comments then the content... And not just on this channel!😳😌😉😄 Thank you for your efforts ANYWAY!🙏🔯🙏
Unfortunately, the narrator of this video keeps using the phrase “assigned at birth” when referring to the wording in the new handbook and guidelines regarding gender. However, that phrase is NOT in the General Handbook or the guidelines. The wording is “biological sex at birth.” The word “assigned” is a red flag word used by many in society who feel that gender is malleable and can be assigned or altered. It would be much more helpful if the narrator of this video used the actual verbiage found in the handbook and the recent updates.
"Assigning" is perfectly used. Maybe there would be no argument if she used "determine"? That's what is actually used in the GH. "Individuals Whose Sex at Birth Is Not Clear In extremely rare circumstances, a baby is born with genitals that are not clearly male or female (ambiguous genitalia, sexual ambiguity, or intersex). Parents or others may have to make decisions to determine their child’s sex with the guidance of competent medical professionals. Decisions about proceeding with medical or surgical intervention are often made in the newborn period. However, they can be delayed unless they are medically necessary. Special compassion and wisdom are required when youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity experience emotional conflict regarding the gender decisions made in infancy or childhood and the gender with which they identify. Questions about membership records, priesthood ordination, and temple ordinances for youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity should be directed to the Office of the First Presidency. -General Handbook
Our Heavenly Parents Love all of us - regardless of anything - The First Presidency and the 12 are enlighted and sensitive to the many issues - Listen to them -
@@jjfranco0426 Where is Jesus in your religion , owe that’s right hes your brother , a created being , spirit brother to Lucifer , all lies from the pits of Hell ,
Absolutely! The church even acknowledging this and being all politically correct is the beginning. Trans people are weirdos! And if you can’t call a weirdo a weirdo, you’re a second level weirdo yourself!
When evil elements try to blur the lines of morality, we turn to The Lord and His church to know what truth should be. Truth never changes, only the way we interpret it.
If brother Jones decides he wants to be called sister jones. HE needs counseling he needs help. We have addiction recovery for those struggling with addiction, we have welfare for those struggling financially, bishops are marriage counselors, financial advisors, and help others, yet we give validity to this particular part of LGB “T” Q movement. If you are following Christ you don’t tell God he messed up your Gender! You deal with it! Even if that does mean you “feel” otherwise. God does not make mistakes. His children however…. Do!
Bishops are NOT marriage counselors or financial advisors. They do, however, need to be aware of the available resources that are available to help marriages and those with financial issues.
I agree wholeheartedly! We should never tell God that He made a mistake and switched genders accidentally by placing a male spirit in a female body and vice versa! 😮
Transgender people aren't (usually) saying that God gave them the wrong biological sex, but instead want to act socially like the other sex, usually in matters of dress, interests, and pronouns I think ultimately they don't think God is wrong, they just have a desire to act like the opposite sex
Thank you for the breakdown. These guidelines are sensible. With all the issues the Church is significantly addressing around the globe, it seems to me this is such a #firstworldproblem.
I don’t agree with the bathroom policy. A potty training toddler or urgent bathroom need should not have to wait while a biological man is using the women’s bathroom. Additionally, the mothers’ room is only accessible through the bathroom. Finally, how is a “trusted” person determined?
here is a settings button on the video, change the speed to like 0.75 or 0.5. Remember she's competing for the Gen Z and Gen Alpha people that get bored if someone talks at a normal speed.
Excellent advice and guidance. It’s always been my position that a person should be free to call themselves or identify any way they choose, but the gender specific functions in society are defined by your genetic profile. A simple solution, and one that amazes me as to why it’s so difficult for people to recognize.
Sounds Amazing to Me! I hope we get even more strict! Fighting sin at every turn is basic Christian doctrine 💪🏼😇🕯️! I Love Being Of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 🙌🏼😇
Did you notice that not once do these policies refer to “sin?” Did you notice it referred to love and compassion? Live YOUR LIFE, and hope Jesus has compassion on YOUR JUDGEMENT of others. I’ll pray for you!
I am grateful for the clarity and consistency that these updates provide. What I do find interesting is that, of all Christian theologies, our church actually provides theological plausibility for legitimate transgender scenarios. President Oaks stated: That is why we teach that “gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.”. So, if gender was an essential premortal characteristic, and the process of a spirit coming to earth to take on a body is not perfect (birth defects, inter-sex births, Swyers syndrome, etc.) -could it be possible that, in this fallen world, a mortal body with the incorrect sex formed around a spirit? Maybe, maybe not. No revelation covers this specific phase of the Plan of Salvation. If so, I would expect it to be a fairly rare occurrence. However, as President Oaks said, "There is a lot we don't know about the three major periods in the plan of salvation..." A Christianity with no pre-mortal existence in their theology cannot accommodate such a possibility. I hope these policies can be implemented in a way that keep the focus on the Savior, His doctrine and the direction to treat all with love and respect.
Transgenderism is not happiness. It is not love to encourage it. Love is not telling someone you love to be a law to themselves. Most importantly you do not teach people that their happiness depends on how others see their gender. They don't get to control other people. Their happiness should never depend on controlling others perceptions. It's a setup for misery. Love is accepting a person and not their bad ideas. Bad ideas can even lead to suicide. Real love is brave.
A bad idea can also be: force someone to be something they know they are not; not listening to them and undermine their true life experience; treat them with disrespect by not acknowledging them for who they say they are; push them towards suicide with judgmental ideas and misguided ideals; take away their rights and isolate them because they don't fit your mold. There are two sides we are balancing here. Extreme on either side is bad. It's not as black and white as it may seem.
If a guy asks me to escort him into the Women's bathroom because he feels like a woman, I'm going to say "no", go into the bathroom and make sure any girls in the bathroom can get out without being harassed.
Gee, “all things will be in commotion” seems to be in full force. You young people just need to calm down. It’s really nothing new, just more prevalent because everything is flashed around the world in the blink of an eye. Just quit freaking out about everything that can still be settled on a one by one process. I served as a bishop and prior to that I was inactive for 30 years and during that time I was an alcoholic for several years. It’s really not complicated, just prayerfully live your life, but way too many members are shockingly casual about living the gospel with a full purpose of heart. Sadly, it’s getting worse.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. What is the problem with living the gospel with a full purpose of heart? Should we not do that, as members of the church? I also do not understand how this ties back to transgender folk within our communities.
My ward building has 2 sets of bathrooms. The main ones at the back of the building are big enough for 4-6 people at a time, the other set 2 people at a time. They took the small men's room and made it a one person non-gendered bathroom with a privacy lock on the entry. The privacy lock and a new sign was all that was needed to do this.
I enjoyed your synopsis. I played it at 75% playback speed, which was a bit slow. But I need a bit more processing time to fully digest and appreciate your content. I hope you might please slow the pace of your presentations a little. I also ditto jimmckin333’s comment regarding handbook language.
Single occupancy rr make more sense even for families with young children. Some church buildings have them and if my wife wasn't with me and i had my daughter i preferred using that if she needed to be changed wtc vs taking her to the mens rr
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." I'm pretty sure from reading this comment section that there isn't a transgender member of the church that would feel loved or respected. That doesn't feel very Christlike to me. I just can't picture Christ saying most of these things. He loves his transgender kids
According to Jesus, there's no such thing as a transgender. See Mark 10.6; Gen 5.2. But Jesus does indeed love children. Unless they've reached the point where God has given them over to a reprobate mind for their own sin of hating God (Deut 22.5; Rom 1.21-27), children who are gender confused are likely victims of grooming or worse abuse.
@@danthechristian6097 It's not nice to cherry pick. ^^ Mark 10:6 is something that Christ says aa part of big long dialogue talking about how divorce is wrong. See Mark 10:7 through 10:12^^ Naughty naughty 🤣 You are also making the assumption/inserting your personal belief that because someone is transgender that makes them of "reprobate" mind^^ *Gasp* 😱
@@bakachan3601 It wasn't cherry-picking. And again, there's no such thing as a transgender. You're the one pushing opinion. The Bible makes clear that God loves the world collectively (John 3:16; Romans 5:8) and that he loves young and unaccountable children (Deut 1:39; Matt 19:14). However, until a sinner puts his trust in Jesus he is under God's wrath. Ephesians 2:3. So in his mercy God loves everyone, but in his holiness God HATES many people. "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." Psalm 5:5. God also hates "hands that shed innocent blood". See Proverbs 6:16-17. Also, Proverbs 6:16 defines "abomination" as "things that the LORD hates". Since the LORD called transvestites themselves an "abomination" (Deut 22:5), that means God hates transvestites too. When you say "God loves you" to perverts you need to qualify the statement by reminding them of God's holiness and righteous indignation. God burns perverts alive. Gen 19:24-25; Jude 1:7.
@@danthechristian6097Just because someone is transgender or cross-dresses does not make them automatically a pervert, being a sexually deviant like the people of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, who wanted to fuck anything that breathed does make you a pervert tho. 😇 ὅτι βδέλυγμα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σού ἐστιν πᾶς ποιῶν ταῦτα כִּי תוֹעֲבַת יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ כGT אֵלֶּה Translit.: hoti bdelugma kuriō(i) tō(i) theō(i) sou estin pas poiōn tauta Trans.: for every one that does these things is an abomination to the Lord thy God GT: for to Yahweh, God of Host, disgusting is such that do so TNK: for whoever does these things is abhorrent to the LORD your God. In the original Hebrew the word abhorrent is used. The same word is used when describing things as not Kosher. Yes God thinks it's icky and you shouldn't do it and it's a sin, but it's not an abomination the worst sin imaginable the most horrible evilest thing. The same goes for the bit in Romans referring to men lying with other men as they would women, the word detestable is used not animation. The word abomination didn't start popping up until it was translated from Hebrew. 😇
It is important that men not have access to women and children while they are vulnerable, especially while using bathrooms or going on girls camps. The church is not required to provide victims for these men. Women's and children's safety must come before men's feelings about themselves. And no member should be instructed to lie.
It in fact, does not. For example, telling someone that they require an escort to use the bathroom implies that they are dangerous person that you believe may assault someone at any moment. Registered sex offenders don’t get even require escorts to the bathroom per church policy. So tell me again how that is a sensitive approach to all of God’s children?
@@Applest2oApples The escort requirement assures privacy and comfort for persons who do not feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with a person of the opposite sex, it does not represent an accusation of guilt. The Church asserts the God-given truth about sex while allowing for trans persons to have access to Church facilities.
@@roxysdad40 exactly. You’ve proven that it’s not about having a “sensitive approach to all of God’s children” but rather protecting the sensitivities of people who are uncomfortable with trans people. Just like we used to segregate blacks since we were uncomfortable being around them!
@@Aristotle33 No one is asking for conformity. No one is requiring women to be stepford wives and men to be cowboys. What we're not going to do is that pretend that a person who takes cross sex hormones, surgically modifies their body and dresses in clothing designed for the opposite sex is in fact the opposite sex.
As a member i am not suppised by the recent changes but the damage is done. The first time i read in the church hand book that some ordinaces are genderless and used terms otherwise worthy made my heart sink. They have a lot more to anwser for before i will be returning to church including how they are going to protect my family. There policy cleard up nothing of the past 2 years of vagueness. Plus exceptions are nowhere anywhere in the BM or Bible.
Life was so much simpler when people in the LGBT community were silent, quiet, closeted and targets of abuse... You're right. Thanks for reminding me how you can live in a world of comfort.
It's really NOT a complicated issue at all. If I find out that there is a male in the same bathroom with my wife or daughter, there will be a different kind of "laying on of hands" for which I will gladly accept excommunication. It's really not the same church as it was twenty years ago.
This threat of violence is exactly what I expect from a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Thank you for confirming for me why I left this church.
@@weshanna6278 If that's actually why you left the church, than you're not breaking anyone's heart. Women and girls have the right to privacy and security while using the restroom. Good husbands and fathers of virtually every Christian denomination would fight to ensure that.
@@BJHeffernan But we now have a lot of weak , woke people that when there beloved man made religion says jump and get ready to swallow more hog was they do it , it’s call being in a cult ! Anybody heard of a man from Texas , Warren Jeffs who is now doing time in a Texas prison ,
As a former bishop it is easy to find issue with church policy or actions. I appreciate this review. Having been on the “inside” of discussion with local church leadership I can assure and that wonder that all actions are done with respect to our Heavenly Father and His doctrine first, but they are done carefully, prayerfully and with much discussion to try and do everything with love and compassion of the person regardless of the person’s thought or beliefs. Lots of sleepless nights. Always with the thought that Heavenly Father loves His children and we must too.
Which is strange, because the church was supporting a trans woman (who transitioned from male to female) who was attending Relief Society. Richard Ostler (Papa Ostler) is a faithful church member, has a book published in the Deseret Book and until then it was acceptable that in your case would attend the relief society... This new rule appears to have been an Elder Oaks decision, as Russell Nelson is currently ill.
To me, this wasn't difficult. How can you believe that you're made in the image of God and also believe He made a mistake with your sex/gender? The latter is a prideful worldly view. The change in pronouns disassociating from sex/gender is a lingual thing so ultimately is not consequential. Physical change of the body would mean you disagree with the image of God and therefore is consequential. Nevertheless, speaking to someone with respect, love, and care (this doesn't mean you have to support everything they say/do and reinforce their decision so that they feel good about their decisions) should be at play REGARDLESS of where anyone lines up on anything. Sure, it'll be more difficult as the waters get muddier to not speak inappropriately. But the Holy Ghost will tell you what you should say if you listen.
There could be a little more clarity on what transitioning back means when it comes to surgically transitioned persons. It just can't be rolled all the way back, does that mean they can't get the temple ever again or does rolling it back as much as possible allow for that?
Gender is not a choice. You are either male or female, you can't just choose and I am so glad the church is clarifying this for individuals who keep trying to find a work around the laws of God. Individuals who struggle with dysphoria need our sympathy and support, they do not need, nor should we provide affirmation for something that is so clearly a perversion of the laws of God.
I think you're both right. Church members should be loving to sinners but not accept sin. I think transgender individuals typically need more love than firm correction. It's hard to have this particular struggle and there are some really rude members out there
@@_Squiggle_ I get it….life is truly a pain in the neck sometimes!! Be kind and loving yes, but recognize that MANY men who “transition” to women ARE pedophiles. Read some of Andy Ngo’s (journalist) articles. You wouldn’t believe how many are convicted sex offenders (involving children). Nothing says that you have to be “rude” to these folks, but at the same time, BE AWARE. Like Ronald Regan said: “Trust but verify.”
To me the subject is not complicated. Gender transition (which is not even possible, even after drugs and surgery) is nothing more than another ungodly doctrine of the Great and Spacious building that has found popularity in our day and is being pushed upon society. Meanwhile, those at the tree, that love truth, are being shouted at and mocked for not pandering to falsehoods. Same old same old. While I may feel compassion for individuals who struggle with gender dysphoria, pandering to their false beliefs does no one any good. In fact, it does the opposite. I will not do things such as use false pronouns. Truth and reality are NOT usurped by feelings. We ALL have issues we struggle with. At the end of the day every single one of us has to ask this question……will I put my will above the Lord’s, or will I do as Christ did and say, “Thy will be done.”
Biological sex transition is impossible. Gender transition is possible if you define gender different than sex I think your main problem is actually with the specific words/definitions People can obviously act like a member of the other sex. I don't think you are disputing that You are disputing that how you act should be called gender
@@_Squiggle_ In English, for the majority of people "gender" is synonymous with "sex". So "gender", like sex, is unchangeable even with a lifetime of cross sex hormones and surgeries. Gender, as in the linguistic categories of "masculine" or "feminine", or as in the theoretical "social construct"- these have no value to people who don't care about theory. Women, adult human females, don't have to be "feminine" in order to be women. We are not stereotypes or costumes. Women are just female. There is no such thing as a male woman or a male girl- those are just men and boys, regardless of how they identify, dress, behave.
@@cousinadams6845 I agree the terminology is super confusing. In general, transgender people use the word 'gender' with the definition that is not just the same as 'sex.' But I think the social construct of gender is relevant. Lots of people get made fun for "not being manly enough" or spend money trying to make themselves seem "more feminine." I agree that it's made up but it's a made up a part of culture everyone will need to interact with The only reason you think that a manly female is not a man is because your definition of woman is such. The definition of woman is made up, so there's not ultimately a "right answer" to what it can mean.
People this is simple. The church is making policies to protect themselves legally and temporally. The reality is you would not have to worry about restrictions if you followed God and recognize homosexuality is wrong. Simple as that.
I have no idea what Nephi and Lehi would do in this situation Modern day transgenderism is so foreign to 600BC that they wouldn't have any context for what is going on It's like asking how Nephi would drive a car. I think the answer is completely unknowable
@@isaiah-4310 Attacking spirituality/belief in miracles is not a great way for people to switch religions. It's like telling people who drive Fords that pollution is bad for the air quality, so they should embrace Chevrolets
SP, why does it seem like the more decades we've gone through, the more people there are that have these complications? How come it was never (or at least rarely ever) an issue back in, say, the 1980s or before, as far as I could tell, but then nowadays it's quite common? What is it that happens that makes them more plentiful over the decades?
I personally know two individuals who were born intersexed. Their parents had to decide, at birth, what sex was going to be assigned to these children. Both, as adults, transitioned to the other sex. Upon hormone testing, these individuals had more of the opposite sex hormones confirming the assigned sex at birth was incorrect. Personally, I feel these new policies are in direct opposition to what the church has been stating for many years...that we are to be sensitive, accepting, and to love all of our brothers and sisters. These members are not pediophils and should not be discriminated against, i.e., by advising that if they cannot find a single stall restroom in the church, that they will be escorted by another member who has cleared the restroom of other members while this member uses the restroom, or they will need to find an alternative means to use the restroom. How humiliating is that for the member? Why discriminate and state that our transgender sisters can only attend Relief Society on a limited basis? I have a question for all of my member friends. If Christ was the door greeter at sacrament meeting, and one of our transgender brothers or sisters presented to attend that meeting, would Christ turn that person away? I think not. He would welcome them with open arms. I personally think that we have taken a step backwards in love and acceptance.
When you say “born intersexed” do you mean born with both sets of genitalia? If so, that is extremely rare, and makes up a minuscule portion of the so-called transgender community. That you personally know two different people born that way is astounding. The odds are astronomical.
This would obviously be an exception to the rules they've set out. Most of the transgender problems are coming from social contagion among teenagers who are confused about themselves because they are adolescents and their brains aren't mature. Social media tells them the dumbest lies. I wish I didn't know this from first hand experience.
@dnllamb “Beware of the Pharisees a they are like whited sepulchures - they appear beautiful on the outside but inwardly are full of dead mens’ bones. They may have said one thing, but the policies they enact are the opposite. How humiliating do you like it would be full to have to be escorted to the bathroom and wait until it’s empty? You know registered sex offenders are allowed to attend church and don’t even require bathroom escorts right? So let’s recap - convicted child molester: can use the bathroom alone with your child without supervision. Trans person - can not use the bathroom with anyone and must be supervised.
Wrong. You're describing the experiences of two people born with a genetic condition before committees existed to protect babies with ambiguous genitalia and other birth defects. Anyone can look up the David & Bruce Reimer case for a chilling example of why we DON'T transition infants... or buy into gender ideology. Those cases aren't representative of the vast majority of transgender people. Your example is a far cry from the physically healthy father of 4 who gets sexual satisfaction from wearing his wife's clothing when she's not home- like Bruce Jenner or Tyler Reks; Or the plethora of austic girls and girls in foster care sucked into the lie that they can become boys (Keira Bell, Elle Palmer, Chloe Cole). You didn't mention the young men who consume so much pornography that they dream about becoming the sexual object in the videos they're addicted to- like Andrea Long Chu- who wrote in his infamous book "Females": The barest essentials’ of femaleness is ‘an open mouth, an expectant a**hole, blank, blank eyes’. 48% of incarcerated trans "women" are in jail for sexual assault involving women and/or children- Karen White, Isla Bryson, Hannah/ James Tubbs, Synthia China Blast. I could go on and on- which shouldn't be possible with a small wholesome population. There are so many women who have been sounding the alarm about transgenderism for decades- Janice Raymond, Helen Joyce, Abigail Shier, Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock, Debra Soh, Cordelia Fine, Kara Dansky, Linda Blade, Jennifer Bilek, Sheila Jeffreys....You owe it to yourself to do more research before you condemn the church and jump to conclusions about what Christ should welcome with open arms into his church.
If a person who is anorexic says they are fat, are we supposed to say; yes you are fat and go along with it? Or let them know the truth and offer to help them or offer them to get help?
Maybe dig deeper? It's ambiguous and the GH alludes to this. "Individuals Whose Sex at Birth Is Not Clear In extremely rare circumstances, a baby is born with genitals that are not clearly male or female (ambiguous genitalia, sexual ambiguity, or intersex). Parents or others may have to make decisions to determine their child’s sex with the guidance of competent medical professionals. Decisions about proceeding with medical or surgical intervention are often made in the newborn period. However, they can be delayed unless they are medically necessary. Special compassion and wisdom are required when youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity experience emotional conflict regarding the gender decisions made in infancy or childhood and the gender with which they identify. Questions about membership records, priesthood ordination, and temple ordinances for youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity should be directed to the Office of the First Presidency. -General Handbook
One of your videos just showed up in my feed on another subject and I have really appreciated your explanations, descriptions, and perspective when approaching all subjects inlcuding the sensitive ones.
wrong. "Individuals Whose Sex at Birth Is Not Clear In extremely rare circumstances, a baby is born with genitals that are not clearly male or female (ambiguous genitalia, sexual ambiguity, or intersex). Parents or others may have to make decisions to determine their child’s sex with the guidance of competent medical professionals. Decisions about proceeding with medical or surgical intervention are often made in the newborn period. However, they can be delayed unless they are medically necessary. Special compassion and wisdom are required when youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity experience emotional conflict regarding the gender decisions made in infancy or childhood and the gender with which they identify. Questions about membership records, priesthood ordination, and temple ordinances for youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity should be directed to the Office of the First Presidency. -General Handbook
@@ashleypierce8500 Actually you're wrong. Sex is observed at birth 99% of the time. The cases that you're citing are EXTREMELY RARE- which doesn't make it the rule. Humans are born with two arms, the fact that a few babies are born with a third nub somewhere, doesn't change the rule hence why it's a birth DEFECT. And those "intersex" individuals still have a sex- that becomes clearer after puberty and the development of secondary sex characteristics.
@@cousinadams6845 there are about 136 MILLION people in this world that are considered scientifically intersex. That's a lot. Try and justify your way around that. You can't. The church doctrine makes a provision to that fact. Who are you to argue against what the handbook has conceded?
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@@mooshamarie8791 I'm not going to argue with you, but ignorance is bliss right? You must be a very happy person...
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thank you for the update!
@@mooshamarie8791 The church already pays her thousands for doing this so the prophets don't have to look stupid
You used the phrase "assigned at birth". That is NOT in the handbook, and it is VERY important to understand that gender is not "assigned" at birth. "Biological sex at birth" is what the handbook says because it is not necessary to assign anything - you are born male and female, and that is it.
What about those who are born with both parts where gender is not readily apparent? Or those with conditions where they have xxy chromosomes?
@@ERoylance91 I think it is funny when people talk about the less than 1% of cases that we should make policy around. This is so rare that even considering it is absolutely ridiculous.
@@ERoylance91 They are not transgender but are rather considered intersex. Even being intersex most individuals tend to have characteristics closer to one gender rather than another. In fact, there are even some intersex individuals who don't even know that they have some chromosome abnormalities and live there live without ever knowing. Statistically speaking intersex individuals make up less than .01% of the trans population, (though technically they shouldn't be considered in that group).
@@ComeFollowScriptureAgreed.
@ERoylance91 clearly, there are birth defects that are the exception to the rule. Even so, just because it may not be clear in those situations what the gender is, it doesn't mean that they don't have a gender.
Thanks for the quick summary. Most of the comments are focusing on how we need to not get swayed by the world, which of course is important. But we also need to remember that those who consider themselves trans are not enemies. And the fact that they still want to attend our church should be encouraged. We need to treat them as individuals and not b afraid to befriend them, despite their membership restrictions. 😊
Finally someone that has a rational viewpoint.
100% agree!!
I am a lifelong, active member of the church who has also experienced gender dysphoria since my earliest memories. I have had many struggles with this, but I have never attempted to transition to a female presentation. My experience with this has never barred me from serving in the church (even when some of my leaders have known about it). I am personally grateful for continuing revelation and for the additional clarity on this issue. Much of this was already codified in the 2020 policy change, which (FINALLY) clarified unequivocally that "gender" in the Family Proclamation means "biological sex at birth." I had seen so many people wresting that principle to claim that their true, eternal gender identity was their preferred presentation. This new policy update is less dramatic than the 2020 update, but represents the Lord's prophets continuing to seek revelation and refine their efforts to minister to those who are sometimes in great pan and extreme distress, while stile maintaining doctrinal purity and consistency.
Love you cousin, be safe and well.
@@seancrandall1291 In my family are members who have different experiences with gender identity. These are both my children and grandchildren. It has been somewhat challenging for me to understand, even though they have explained this to me. Quite frankly, it seems to be harder for me to grasp what they were trying to explain to me than I realized. Thanks for sharing this with me. You’ve added another link 🔗 to my understanding which I very much appreciate. God bless you.
I'm proud of you for resisting the pressure to transition. God will bless and help you for that.
I like you whoever you are. You are wise, mature, and brave. Thanks for your comment.
Couldn't have said it better myself. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Notice though, it says “at birth” not “assigned at birth” that is an important distinction. There is no “assigning” as if that is our choice.
Wrong. Thousands of children are born every year intersexed, meaning they are born with the external genitalia of both genders.
I saw that too. Its good to see they've caught some possible places where people will seek to take advantage.
True, though there are some intersex people where sex at birth is actually unknowable
@@_Squiggle_Even for intersex, it is not so much "unknowable" as "more difficult to determine". Ultimately a DNA test will always determine the answer. Any y-chromosomes = male (no matter what number of x); otherwise female. There are cases where the doctor can get it wrong at birth since the genitals may be misleading and typically that is the only indicator doctors use. Many doctors default to female if it is unclear rather than running a genetic test.
Point being doctors may assign a gender, but the church cares about the actual biology not that doctor's opinion. If later evidence shows that the doctor was wrong, the church would ammend its records.
@@_Squiggle_ The cases where it isn't just a variant of one sex or the other are vanishingly rare. The exception has come to dominate the entire conversation. Most cases of sex ambiguity produce someone who is either female or male, but in some way fail to develop full expression of the primary or secondary sexual characteristics. The determinant of sex is by the type of gonad, either ovary or testes, very very very few people have a true (and also always non-functional) ovo-testes.
Some places in the world with genetic bottle-necks have much higher rates of some of these conditions, which inflates tremendously the international numbers. Modern medicine can determine sex at birth, even with someone with ambiguous genitalia. Although, it will require that they look.
Intersex is a tricky category, because it isn't a single category at all, but a host of different rare genetic and developmental disorders and conditions. Many people who have some type of intersex genotype or phenotype are not healthy, and it is the underlying cause of disease for many of them.
The most concerning recent advent in that field of study is that while intersex births are still very rare, but environmental contaminants have the potential to feminize males and disrupt normal female development. The phthalate syndrome research is very concerning.
As a non mormon I really appreciate this. It’s nice to a church actually speaking what’s right and opposing the entire world order pushing it on us.
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Actually they're not opposing it, they're conforming to it. Your comment is not going to age well, I promise.
I agree. It is sense in an insensible world.
@@JulioHendricks-r8n Is he being obtuse?
@@JulioHendricks-r8n yes! Just by acknowledging it and acting all politically correct toward it is the beginning.
I would love to take this section of the handbook into a time machine and go back 50 or 60 years and present them in a ward council meeting and watch the facial expressions of the participants . . .
Even 10 years ago...
Step by step to full embrace
@AaronWinfrey. Dealing with an issue in front of you is not embracing it.
@@traceythomas6761Time to wake up , Jesus said to flee from sin never to embrace sin
@@isaiah-4310 Actually, he didn't. You seem to be quoting Ecclesiastes about fleeing sin or paraphrasing Paul about fleeing fornication, but Jesus himself walked with sinners, ate with publicans, forgave adulterers (with the charge to sin no more), and even included a thief and betrayer among his Apostles. Joseph of Egypt fled from immoral acts, but was surrounded by pagans and gave no heed to them. Jesus demonstrated that one can forsake the sin, but love the sinner. Is He, our Exemplar, an embracer too?
To me I feel like this is a good mix of respecting everyone despite keeping true to our values. Church policies are always changing but the gospel does not, and they make it clear that certain ordinances are meant specifically the way god intended with man and woman sealed together, and that gender is essential.
I don’t believe god puts us in the wrong bodies, I believe we are born with our own unique issues, mentally or physically. Gender dysphoria is something I’m glad I haven’t ever experienced, but I imagine it’s very difficult to go through.
Like any other illness that members go through, these members need our love and support. Hopefully they can become comfortable with the bodies that god gave them, and to not surgically alter a perfectly healthy body, but we cannot help them through their journey with prejudice and hate.
We need to have more discussions in church about this, because I see so many young people- especially young women- get confused about their gender and sexuality. We need to provide a firm and steady foundation for them to rely on, and be there for them in case they trip and fall.
Trust me, no one who must be chaperoned to the bathroom is feeling respected. They feel like they are being treated as a danger. There is no dignity in this policy.
@@lijahsmum Not as a danger at all. But if a sign says “Men” and the other says “Women” there better only be men in the men areas and women in the women areas. T’s claim that there is nothing that defines what a man or a woman is, it’s simply a feeling. That’s fine, do that in your own time, but respect 99.99% of nature and stop trying to change society and nature and gods laws. Respect and love go both ways. If a man is in a bathroom with any of our wives and daughters, there’s going to be trouble, and there should be. Harmless or not.
(I can’t believe I have to clarify that I’m talking about biological men and women)
@@lijahsmum That is to ensure both their safety and the safety of everyone else. It’s a precaution that must be taken. Even if it’s unnecessary to that individual, it’s better to be safer than sorry than to let anyone get hurt
@@lijahsmumthere's no dignity in a trying to change your gender: something that literally no one can possibly change.
you have it right. i'm 16 and live in liberal area. most of the people in my extended circle are some type of genderqueer, and most are girls. i know them all to be sweet and genuine people, but ALL have severe trauma (often from sexual abuse) and mental issues. they aren't attention-seekers or perverts or whatever like some say, but people who saw this gender stuff on the internet when they were young, and believed it, because everyone did, and leaned into it, because they wanted to get away from who they are and whatever's in their past. yet, instead of researching the psychology of this further and creating therapies to treat it and actually help these kids, the world feeds into their maladaptive coping mechanisms and makes everything worse. it's awful
I never thought this content would even get discussed, just 10 years ago. Jesus, we need you to return now. This world is no longer morally sustainable.
Just as it was in the days before the flood.
We have a political party that is extremely determined to push this agenda in a direction that will force all schools, companies, institutions and churches to conform to accepting the gender "confusion " doctrine. What we are seeing is just the start of it all. I have no idea how bad this will get in the future but this is not ever going away, at least not until Christ returns to make it all normal. As members of the church, we have to make up our own minds on the subject with the realization that this subject is more complicated than any of us want to admit.
The devil loves company and is rejoicing for the lds. Congratulations.
Jesus, please come back now. Please
@@KathyStrickland-nh9vx The Sanhedrin, Pharisees and Sadducees all said the same thing about Jesus.
I was about to say this is pretty weak until I saw the next paragraph that says "Worthy individual who do not pursue surgical, medical, or social transition away from their biological sex at birth may enjoy all the privileges of Church membership."
🤔 I think you accidentally let autocorrect take over... What words did you mean instead of "purse" and "priceless"?
@@BoMwarriorVlog yeah an obvious typo
Elder Neal A. Maxwell explained that at the time of the Great Flood, “corruption had reached an agency-destroying point that spirits could not, in justice, be sent here” How could we not be at this point right now? It's almost like some kids in some areas do not even have a chance.
@@Sk8StGeorge The US is pushing this agency destroying malarkey onto the rest of the world. It’s time for the heavens to raise up a new nation unto god, the US lost its chance. Scary stuff.
Yeah, well we can't do anything because it's "not nice". So bend over and take it until the prophet tells us to take up arms or Jesus presses the wine vat...I'm up for either at this point.
Remember, the Lord spoke favorably about the lamanites from time to time because they were raised in wickedness and had no knowledge of right compared to the nephites who were raised right, but chose wickedness from time to time. Many women are murdering their children, and we know from revelation, these children are saved in the celestial kingdom and will have all opportunities to receive exaltation. All things are working in God’s favor and all wickedness shall stand as a testimony against the wicked. No one will be surprised when they are cut off from God’s presence at Judgement. But, I do sorrow for it to be the end of it all.
Even in Utah! 😢 It’s so sad.
At sexual expression?
Let me just say...reason 2,567 of why I am praying for and cannot wait for the 2nd coming of the Savior!!🤗😉
My goodness sadness all to please every one feelings .. this world is getting worse and worse.. Jesus is not pleased and all will see soon that's a fact .. much love to all of you no hate here Bless everyone..we need Jesus to at least visit for a HR and talk to the world..
Jesus loves everybody despite your body's gender at birth.
Jesus can't and won't come until we learn to solve these problems and create Zion. Believing that somebody is going to come down and force solutions on people. That sounds like Satan's plan.
You better have the right Jesus , Clue - He is not the spirit brother of Satan , John 1-1
@rdancranston
Me too!!!
This brings clarity, but Satan will still find ways to sew ambiguity and discord from this.
One more way the wheat will be separated from the chaff.
Satan is already two steps ahead - get ready for the ‘furries’ and the litter boxes next.
Sow
Only in people with weak faith. But, yeah: "even the very elect."
@@korvaamiko66 interesting... This of course is a little bit ironic, because Mormons depend very greatly on the ambiguity of certain definitions, words, in the use of the English language. For instance; they have changed what they contend is by definition a plural marriage. They have included that one must cohabitate and have children, in order for it to be considered a polygamist marriage. Go to any dictionary, and I think the language defining what polygamy is is very clear; it's being married to more than one person. They've also done the same with the word virgin, adding that the sanctity of virginity can only be taken by a earthly man from an earthly woman. Brigham Young along with the other early apostles and other founders of the Mormon church dictate that the birth of Christ was by their definition a virgin birth, but it was God that consummated this conception of Christ with Mary into the physical realm.
Several of their early church leaders don't believe that the Holy Ghost had caused the immaculate conception of our Lord and Savior.
My daughter had a friend from YW church sleepover around 8 years ago. I later found out that the YW was actually a transitioning boy. The church leaders should not have let that boy attend YW.
We dont allow sleepovers anymore.
The church was f or under in perversion, Old Joe having 34 plus wives , 11 of them belonging to other men
It's horrifying that society is even allowing this.
hes a predator
Not even safe with actual biological girls having sleepovers. I had a sleepover with a girl that I thought was my friend at the age of 13. I thought it was weird she kept trying to hold my hand while watching a movie then when we went to bed things got much worse than her trying to hold my hand. I was mortified and embarrassed to tell anyone about what happened and I didn't realize what exactly happened until I got older and was talking to my older sister and one of her close friends about that situation. They told me she molested me and I didn't know until then that is what happened.
Definitely not safe even with family sleepovers like cousins. Too many bad stories out there. We are tools in God's hands for sure, but idle hands can most definitely be the devils playground.
@@aMuenchGrinch our stake had a YW girls camp and let a bi-girl stay the night and the morning after all the girls said they were bi, presumably bc she made them do things and then used that as leverage to groom them.
In the midst of many Christian Churches giving up the Biblical standards one after another, this church does not give in to the worldly agenda. Great news!
@@Nyanta-q7h But its colleges and universities do. BYU, BYU-I, BYU-H et al all bow to the woke gospel of the worldliness.
In what universe have you been living? The morman man made religion flips and flops like a fish out of water
@@jwinfrey6298 yep
@@Nyanta-q7h they do give in and they will continue to do so. Case in point; The November 2015 policy of exclusion that quietly went away.......
Bible Babble
Gender is determined at conception, not assigned at birth!
I mean, it depends on what you mean by gender
If you mean what clothes you wear, what hairstyle you use, and which toy aisle you get toys from, then gender is pretty much assigned to you by your parents
If you mean what your chromosomes are and what sex characteristics you have, then yeah, that is determined at conception
@@_Squiggle_ gender isnt fashion..in fact humans dont have gender, words do linguistically. we have sex which is observed by DNA in the 1st or 2nd trimester. sex is determined eternally for our spirits and matched physically at conception
@@_Squiggle_ remember, the guy who said gender and sex were different was a pdf file named John Money
@@SaxSpy "in fact humans dont have gender, words do linguistically"
Only if you define gender as something only words have
Arguing about definitions is silly, all definitions are made up
You can use a different word to describe "what clothes you wear, what hairstyle you use, and which toy aisle you get toys from"
Whatever it is, though, exists and some people call it gender
This is biologically not true. It takes about roughly 12 weeks or 3 months for the Y chromosome to kick in, meaning if you’re a male you were female for the first trimester of your life.
The handbook does not say “ASSIGNED” at birth; it actually says “biological sex at birth”. This is a huge distinction. We know that biological sex is determined at conception, NOT at birth! We also know the spirit enters the body at some time after conception; we just don’t know exactly at what point it enters the unborn child’s body during gestation.
If the spirit is in the body after conception how did Jesus gave word to Nephi that he was going to be born the next day in 3 Nephi 1:13?
@@dr33776 That's easy. Jesus had the glory of the Father before he was born into the world. We don't have that glory yet.
@@Aristotle33so where was he? In the womb or heaven?
@@dr33776 For you and me, once conceived, we cannot transcend the womb, making us and the rest of humanity bound to our physical locality.
However, as the pre-mortal Messiah, Jesus was endowed with the Father’s glory-a glory composed of light that fills the immensity of space, connecting His spirit to every particle of the universe. From an 'ability' standpoint, this divine connection would allow Jesus to spiritually accomplish both tasks: sustaining His mortal pre-birth body and appearing to others
@@Aristotle33 any scriptural backing to that assertion? Also, according to Smith the father and son are physically locatable but not the Holy Ghost so I don’t know where you get they can be everywhere at all times.
"Real love for the sinner may compel courageous confrontation-not acquiescence! Real love does not support self-destructing behavior." - Russell M Nelson
Strongly recommend reading President Nelson's "Teach us Tolerance & Love" general conference talk in which he warns of taking tolerance too far.
@jeff3olsen Nelson’s a fraud. Like the rest of his predecessors. How can you teach gods love is conditional?
Jeff, that is roughly parallel to something I listened to Jacob Hansen talk about recently (on Ward Radio?). He differentiated between “contention” and “the spirit of contention,” defined them both, and showed why only “the spirit of contention” is forbidden.
Thank you for the Pres Nelson talk! I’ll go read it.
@@kuriju88 Ad Hominems often come from those who are unable to discuss the merits of an issue.
@@kuriju88
Grow up and stop displaying your ignorance.
@jeff3olsen it’s not ad hominem it’s factual. I gave you one reason and a conclusion. Russell Nelson teaches that Gods love is conditional which is so ridiculous since Christianity is based on the Father sacrificing his perfect son for unworthy sinners.
Well done explaining this update! 👍 Good job. 🙂
You say this is a complicated issue but it's really not. Pride has come and we are close to a fall. The end.
It is a complicated issue
There's a blurry line around what "socially transitioning," for example. Driving a truck is considered 'manly' but it's ok for women to do. Wearing a dress is considered 'feminine' but it's *not* ok for men to do. It's complicated
Plus, transgender individuals are usually really struggling and fierce intensity will probably be harmful and less effective than love and gradual change
Driving a truck is manly? Not to this girl!
@@omacookie Haha I use driving a truck because it's obviously a silly cultural thing
It's like the color pink or dinosaur toys, something that is gender-affiliated but not a hard and fast rule
@@_Squiggle_: I think you’re missing the point of transitioning. A man wearing a dress doesn’t necessarily mean he’s transitioning. A man telling people that he’s a girl is transitioning no matter what he wears.
@@drc5378 I'm looking at the exact text of the handbook and I think we are both wrong.
"Worthy individuals who do not pursue surgical, medical, or social transition away from their biological sex at birth may enjoy all the privileges of Church membership."
Even transgender individuals can have all the privileges of Church membership if they don't transition.
This next quote says transitioning requires two things 1) identifying as the opposite gender and 2) presenting as the opposite gender. Number 1 by itself is actually fine for members to do (as evidenced by the first quote). Number 2 by itself also seems fine, though I would have said otherwise until I read the text
"Church leaders counsel against pursuing surgical, medical, or social transition away from one’s biological sex at birth. (Social transitioning means intentionally identifying *and* presenting oneself as other than one’s biological sex at birth, and may include changing dress, grooming, names, or pronouns.)"
The church should never go back on its principles. I have never been a member, but I have such respect for them because if the laws of God never change and they don’t, neither should what is permissible in the church.
I hope the church doesn’t fall. I love my LDS church and it has good people. I hope Satan doesn’t corrupt us. Remember the church is full of people who aren’t perfect. That’s why we must always rely on God and His principals that He taught in the Word. God, the Bible, and the Book of Mormon is what we need to rely on. God told me the Book of Mormon is true. I trust in Him. Jesus is God. I love everyone even if you are my enemies.
“These individuals often face complex challenges. They-and their family and friends-should be treated with sensitivity, kindness, compassion, and Christlike love. All are children of God and have divine worth.”
Let me translate that: "Satan is attacking them mercilessly and they are struggling at least and some of them have embraced evil".
@@cubic-h6041and the garden of Eden is in Missouri
So acting on your urges is okay now? This is the end of LDS!
“34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.”
-John 13:34-35
@@tylerthorstrom4100 Mercy cannot rob justice. Love is not the same thing as affirming evil behaviors.
THANK YOU !!!
This is a sensitive topic. This is GREAT NEWS that the " Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ", has taken the measures to address this problem.
The main thing is that ALL PEOPLE need to be HONEST with their Bishop.
Another great video, Thank You.
So the LDS now will go along with Men pretending to be Women. LDS is a lie!
Are all Bishops honest?
How is this a sensitive topic? Our sex was determined before we were even conceived in our mortal existence.
This has been doctrine of the church forever. Only society complicates it. Still, we must have love and compassion for all people.
No more queries of “What gender do you prefer?” So grateful for this! It has been quite uncomfortable for our children.
Uncomfortable for you and your children? What about those who are facing the myriad challenges and inherent discrimination of navigating gender dysphoria?
Reminds me of the old testament fixation with circumcision. It also makes me wonder who's gonna go around lifting skirts to check
Don't start bringing logic and facts into the discussion. It makes the transphobes uncomfortable. 😂
I don't understand why these have to be such difficult topics. Truth is truth. We can treat others with kindness but compromising our integrity before God should never be on the table. "Our zeal to keep the second [great] commandment must not cause us to forget the first." I wish our leaders would stand more boldly and unequivocally for truth both in word and in deed.
I think there is also an entitlement issue here.
I've seen how members of the church treat members of the LGBTQ+ community. It's not with kindness, or it's a kind of fake kindness that's not truly kind or genuine. Love the sinner and hate the sin rarely results in true love. I worked in a school, and I saw entire families destroyed over this issue, including suicide and murder. When all parties dig in their heels and refuse to "compromise their integrity," it results in destroyed lives. That's why this is a difficult topic. Because those who have experienced it first-hand see how destructive it is, and the religious people are almost never blamed for it. Satan didn't get to them. They stayed true to their faith, and they are congratulated for it, even when their behavior is abusive and full of hate. It is ALWAYS the LGBTQ+ person who gave in to Satan, causing things to fall apart, even if they are the kindest, nicest person on the planet. I'm not sure what you would like church leaders to stand for, but as someone who saw this happen over and over again in my classroom, sometimes resulting in student deaths, I wish more church leaders would advocate for compromise and peace instead of unwavering loyalty to God and religion. It is possible to hold to your values and be a genuinely kind person too, but that's not what ends up happening in far too many cases.
I don't understand why people think this is compromising in any way. The only slightest hint of compromise is in the bathroom, where, to be allowed in the opposite bathroom, the bathroom would have to be empty and you'd have to have someone accompany you.
Literally it's the same policy as for any other sin. If you're actively smoking, you can still come to church, but you can't get baptized.
If you suffer from an addiction, but are not partaking, you can go to the temple. (Addiction is lifelong)
God loves the sinner but hates the sin! Why do you think He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah?
@@kolob316 Let me check the handbook
Thank you for the clarity regarding the updates to the Church Handbook.
As we all know the church members follow the church handbook , there is no truth in the Book of Mormon as well as the handbook.
LDS Jesus is so gentle and inclusive of all his children... He understands everyone's heart's and minds so well.
Bible Babble
@@chuckkv The LDS Jesus is the spirit brother to Lucifer , try reading John 1-1
@@isaiah-4310 The verse that makes God out of Greek nature sayings? Okay. Is Greek Nature Jesus more gentle and inclusive of his trans children? Does he understand their hearts and minds better?
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky 2 Nephi 26:33
“All Are Alike unto God”
@@chuckkvloosen up the garments , and refer to handbook
As man, and a member of the lgbtq community, and exmember of the lds church, and someone who disagrees with the LDS church stances on LGBTQ community, I understand these policies, I don't necessarily agree but I feel like the church is trying to show compassion and mercy the best way they know how.
No... they are trying to "fit in" to the world's ways. Not good. I'm glad you've found your happy place.
By saying that that transgender youth should be escorted away from activities? That's compassion and kindness?
@@DodoLoco515 maybe a better way of putting it is they came a long way, when i was younger, any out lgbtq person was excluded from everything, and I mean everything. As I stated above I disagree with the policy, but I see movement in a more compassionate direction, is it enough no, there trying to balance more Traditional Members and there more Progressive members, and that has to be hard, I believe in full inclusion, but if you grew up in the 80's and 90's you would understand how toxic the lds church was to the lgbtq community in many ways it still is, but a small step is still a step in the right direction. In the 90's or eairly 2000's a young trans person would have not been considered at all, they would have excluded them from everything. I feel like the lds church is always 20 years behind culture and I think in another 10 or 20 years this will be a non issue for most people in the church. Again just my opinion.
@@DodoLoco515 I would love to hear more trans voices on this topic, my trans friends who I have talked to about this seem to have mixed feelings about the policy, as do I.
@@danielwilliams1289 thank you Daniel. And I understand where you are coming from. I am the mother of a transgender child. No one knows our struggle, our pain watching our child trying to find their place in this world. As a lifelong active member of the church, it's pretty tough to read these comments knowing that I am sitting next to this kind of bigotry, hatred - and most of all, fear - every week. This is reminiscent of the climate around the Civil Rights Movement. All of these comments would be right at home in a study on desegregation.
Until you’ve walked in another’s shoes, you don’t truly understand their experience. I’m certain our transgender brothers and sisters experience challenges and difficulties no one would choose and anyone else could only try to understand. It’s good to see that the Church is trying to better understand their experience and be as sensitive and compassionate as possible within the gospel of Jesus Christ and all that has been restored and revealed. I only hope that church culture and the members in wards around the world can be just as sensitive and compassionate to these children of God who are known to Him and loved. It’s what Christ would do.
Exactly
Thank you for this beautiful comment. I'm a mother to an excellent child who is walking their own path, trying to decide who they are. I truly believe with all my heart, that God knows and loves all his children. When Jesus walked the earth so long ago, he ministers to the Sinners and saints alike. We love all of God's children ad he taught us too, and through our examples of love, compassion, and true integrity.. We show them that God is there for them as well! .❤❤❤
I’m sorry but what the du mare you talking about? How is mandatory supervised bathroom visits compassionate?
@@Applest2oApples It is compassionate to the women, young women and little girls who shouldn't feel uncomfortable in a restroom with a male who believes himself to be the opposite sex.The church is also addressing what they know about many trans identified males- many struggle with autogynephilia or other mental health issues.
I am grateful for the policy statements which seem to align with and reinforce statements regarding gender in the family proclamation. I do not see any relaxation of those standards, which is reassuring.
Read or listen to Jeffrey R. Holland's October 2009 Conference Address: "Safety for the Soul"... with the words of President Nelsons counsel.... we will not be able to survive these coming days without what?????? My love to all of you. Jesus is coming. And God wins ❤
The fact that they have to address it shows we’re already losing this culture war
Not at all
it's to take a stand so we dont lose the culture war
@@dianegodbout2356too late comrade
This announcement isn't late. It's right on time. In other words, it is timely and well-considered. The majority of church members already understand how to believe and approach this issue, even before the announcement was made. There has been a period of observation to see how members navigate this challenge-whether they hold fast to doctrine or conform to cultural pressures, perhaps insisting that the church align with prevailing cultural norms. Unfortunately, some have been misled by these influences. Now, with this announcement, these members have an opportunity to realign with doctrine. It will be important to see how they respond
@@Aristotle33 Amen!
Awesome work. Thank you!
Thank you for the quick and clear update
Thank you, as you have brought clarifying information the Savior would have us understand as he has clearly revealed his will to his prophets!
If people only knew why the doctrine of male and female was important. The mysteries of the kingdom are contained within properly understanding these two genders.
Love these changes or clarifications. We can do our best to love them and respect their choices and hopefully they can be respectful and understanding in return.
We must remember that this is Christ’s Church and his church is for everyone none are left out. That is the love of Christ.
@@PeterZoumberis 1Corinthians chapter five
What is sad is how a transgender person is treated. Some members accept them and some don't. If you attend a sacrament meeting you will find out. Every human being is a child of God and should be shown love, sensitivity, and respect. Unfortunately some members don't talk the talk, walk, the walk. They might have been baptized but are are not totally converted. They do not understand charity or the pure love of Christ. The unconditional love. They should be grateful that they were not born with the condition and challenges faced by a gay person or a transgendered person. Many members have never talked to or have gotten to know as a friend a gay or transgendered person. They are some of the most caring. loving and friendliest people. My challenge is get to know some of these special people. They are the children of God.
You know these members thoughts?
@@dnllamb Unfortunately many of those people in the transgender and community have had these experiences. These are facts. That is why you hardly see them at church. They feel unwelcome, and uncomfortable.
@@l.j.2794 1 Corinthians chapter five
Here's a novel idea; trust in God, think celestial, bear the cross that Christ asked us all to carry and follow Him, follow the prophet. It's not easy, but it is worth it. No matter what you think or feel, realize that you need to set that aside if it is not in line with church doctrine, and trust that it will all be sorted out perfectly by a loving and merciful God in the next life. This mortal life is a blip...don't make a ripple out of a blip...?
Hebrews chapter one say no need for prophets we now follow Christ
@@isaiah-4310 lol tell me you dont understand the scriptures without telling me. We dont now follow Christ...we've always followed Christ, since Adam. And God doesnt change...He called prophets before and He still does now.
@@JasonPaull if the church has a prophet why can’t he just ask Jesus what the proper position is? And with simple and direct authority Russ Nelson can say “thus saith the Lord” and make it plain. This is how the word of wisdom came right? Joseph asked the Lord what to do. And of course the lesson learned is that Joseph (or the prophet) could directly inquire of heaven and receive clear revelation. Why is this not the case now?
@@kcb5336 Did God not say "my ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts"? You expect me to be able to tell you why God works how He works? Through all time God has always taught line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little. The restoration of the gospel is an ongoing process...things are going to change when God deems it the right time. You can question God if you like, I won't.
@@JasonPaull I didn’t question God or you. I questioned why Russ Nelson does not ask. How was the word of wisdom revealed? Joseph asked. He was a friend of the lord and able to do so.
This issue seems even more important to me. The Lord could clarify in black and white then. Why not now?
Taking up our cross means the responsibility for the life you've been given. So even if it feels awkward, bear it and you will be rewarded. Don't try to force your burden on others. Love isn't trust, love them but don't encourage sadness and suicide by telling them it's fine to be a law unto yourself.
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@@AlbertHess-xy7ky to those without the Spirit of Christ. Yes.
@@BornTheDragon Thank god.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky I hope someday you are freed from that restless spirit of contention that you are letting govern you. It will produce much sadness listening to it.
@@BornTheDragon Bible Babble makes me sad. I am free of guilt.
I appreciate the content but is there a reason she talks so fast? Hard to listen to.
I'am reading the comments INSTEAD of listening.... ( No offense) She is just speaking too fast and I'am confused about the topic as it is! Sometimes I learn MORE from the comments then the content... And not just on this channel!😳😌😉😄 Thank you for your efforts ANYWAY!🙏🔯🙏
I thought it was fine at 2x. Just depends what you're used to. You can also slow it down to .75x or .5x if a particular video is too fast.
You can slow the video down and play it as half speed if it's an issue. She doesn't need to change who she is just for you.
Thank you, this brings peace of mind, and the confusion disapates greatly with these updates.
Unfortunately, the narrator of this video keeps using the phrase “assigned at birth” when referring to the wording in the new handbook and guidelines regarding gender. However, that phrase is NOT in the General Handbook or the guidelines. The wording is “biological sex at birth.” The word “assigned” is a red flag word used by many in society who feel that gender is malleable and can be assigned or altered. It would be much more helpful if the narrator of this video used the actual verbiage found in the handbook and the recent updates.
"Assigning" is perfectly used. Maybe there would be no argument if she used "determine"? That's what is actually used in the GH.
"Individuals Whose Sex at Birth Is Not Clear
In extremely rare circumstances, a baby is born with genitals that are not clearly male or female (ambiguous genitalia, sexual ambiguity, or intersex). Parents or others may have to make decisions to determine their child’s sex with the guidance of competent medical professionals. Decisions about proceeding with medical or surgical intervention are often made in the newborn period. However, they can be delayed unless they are medically necessary.
Special compassion and wisdom are required when youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity experience emotional conflict regarding the gender decisions made in infancy or childhood and the gender with which they identify.
Questions about membership records, priesthood ordination, and temple ordinances for youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity should be directed to the Office of the First Presidency.
-General Handbook
Our Heavenly Parents Love all of us - regardless of anything - The First Presidency and the 12 are enlighted and sensitive to the many issues - Listen to them -
@@jjfranco0426 Where is Jesus in your religion , owe that’s right hes your brother , a created being , spirit brother to Lucifer , all lies from the pits of Hell ,
Heavenly parents , you won’t find that in Gods word.
I feel like we keep moving closer to what the world is ok with and further away from what God is ok with.
Thank you. Sadly I agree
How so?
@@travingreenhalgh Jeffrey R. Holland's October 2009 Conference Address: "Safety for the Soul"
What?? Totally not at all. Did u listen to the video? This is not at all what the world is telling us to do. I’m thankful for a living prophet today
Absolutely! The church even acknowledging this and being all politically correct is the beginning. Trans people are weirdos! And if you can’t call a weirdo a weirdo, you’re a second level weirdo yourself!
Thank you for sharing these updates to Church guidelines on this important and sensitive subject!
When evil elements try to blur the lines of morality, we turn to The Lord and His church to know what truth should be. Truth never changes, only the way we interpret it.
@@Ben9263Thurber Like Polygamy, black not holding the priesthood ? Temple ordinances ?
@@Ben9263Thurber Like D& C 132
@@Ben9263Thurber You mean like polygamy or blacks holding the priesthood , Would you like some quotes about them from your early prophets ?
I appreciate the points highlighted on this review in the manual of the church. Thank you!
If brother Jones decides he wants to be called sister jones. HE needs counseling he needs help. We have addiction recovery for those struggling with addiction, we have welfare for those struggling financially, bishops are marriage counselors, financial advisors, and help others, yet we give validity to this particular part of LGB “T” Q movement. If you are following Christ you don’t tell God he messed up your Gender! You deal with it! Even if that does mean you “feel” otherwise. God does not make mistakes. His children however…. Do!
Correct, God does not make mistakes. That should also apply to intersex individuals... Those born as both genders.
We have a lot more to learn.
Bishops are NOT marriage counselors or financial advisors. They do, however, need to be aware of the available resources that are available to help marriages and those with financial issues.
@@azbrumthere is outside help, yes.
I agree wholeheartedly! We should never tell God that He made a mistake and switched genders accidentally by placing a male spirit in a female body and vice versa! 😮
Transgender people aren't (usually) saying that God gave them the wrong biological sex, but instead want to act socially like the other sex, usually in matters of dress, interests, and pronouns
I think ultimately they don't think God is wrong, they just have a desire to act like the opposite sex
Thank you for the breakdown.
These guidelines are sensible. With all the issues the Church is significantly addressing around the globe, it seems to me this is such a #firstworldproblem.
So comforting to know that god love most of his children
@@ihtibas_ilharary
Most?
All, no exceptions.
I don’t agree with the bathroom policy. A potty training toddler or urgent bathroom need should not have to wait while a biological man is using the women’s bathroom. Additionally, the mothers’ room is only accessible through the bathroom. Finally, how is a “trusted” person determined?
Love to hear of all updates church related but..I sorry 😢. This young lady always talks TOO FAST for me..always! Always! PLEASE slow down..❤
Agree..she needs to learn how to speak at a slower cadence
here is a settings button on the video, change the speed to like 0.75 or 0.5. Remember she's competing for the Gen Z and Gen Alpha people that get bored if someone talks at a normal speed.
Excellent advice and guidance. It’s always been my position that a person should be free to call themselves or identify any way they choose, but the gender specific functions in society are defined by your genetic profile. A simple solution, and one that amazes me as to why it’s so difficult for people to recognize.
Sounds Amazing to Me! I hope we get even more strict! Fighting sin at every turn is basic Christian doctrine 💪🏼😇🕯️! I Love Being Of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 🙌🏼😇
Did you notice that not once do these policies refer to “sin?” Did you notice it referred to love and compassion? Live YOUR LIFE, and hope Jesus has compassion on YOUR JUDGEMENT of others. I’ll pray for you!
I didn't see any mention of sin.
I am grateful for the clarity and consistency that these updates provide. What I do find interesting is that, of all Christian theologies, our church actually provides theological plausibility for legitimate transgender scenarios. President Oaks stated: That is why we teach that “gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.”. So, if gender was an essential premortal characteristic, and the process of a spirit coming to earth to take on a body is not perfect (birth defects, inter-sex births, Swyers syndrome, etc.) -could it be possible that, in this fallen world, a mortal body with the incorrect sex formed around a spirit? Maybe, maybe not. No revelation covers this specific phase of the Plan of Salvation. If so, I would expect it to be a fairly rare occurrence. However, as President Oaks said, "There is a lot we don't know about the three major periods in the plan of salvation..." A Christianity with no pre-mortal existence in their theology cannot accommodate such a possibility. I hope these policies can be implemented in a way that keep the focus on the Savior, His doctrine and the direction to treat all with love and respect.
Transgenderism is not happiness. It is not love to encourage it. Love is not telling someone you love to be a law to themselves. Most importantly you do not teach people that their happiness depends on how others see their gender. They don't get to control other people. Their happiness should never depend on controlling others perceptions. It's a setup for misery. Love is accepting a person and not their bad ideas. Bad ideas can even lead to suicide.
Real love is brave.
Suicide rates do not change post-transition. Clearly it doesn't improve mental health.
@@testtest648 that's correct. It doesn't produce good fruit
Very well stated.
Mormonism is not happiness. It is not love to encourage it. It's a false demonic cult.
A bad idea can also be: force someone to be something they know they are not; not listening to them and undermine their true life experience; treat them with disrespect by not acknowledging them for who they say they are; push them towards suicide with judgmental ideas and misguided ideals; take away their rights and isolate them because they don't fit your mold.
There are two sides we are balancing here. Extreme on either side is bad. It's not as black and white as it may seem.
If a guy asks me to escort him into the Women's bathroom because he feels like a woman, I'm going to say "no", go into the bathroom and make sure any girls in the bathroom can get out without being harassed.
Gee, “all things will be in commotion” seems to be in full force. You young people just need to calm down. It’s really nothing new, just more prevalent because everything is flashed around the world in the blink of an eye. Just quit freaking out about everything that can still be settled on a one by one process. I served as a bishop and prior to that I was inactive for 30 years and during that time I was an alcoholic for several years. It’s really not complicated, just prayerfully live your life, but way too many members are shockingly casual about living the gospel with a full purpose of heart. Sadly, it’s getting worse.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. What is the problem with living the gospel with a full purpose of heart? Should we not do that, as members of the church? I also do not understand how this ties back to transgender folk within our communities.
My ward building has 2 sets of bathrooms. The main ones at the back of the building are big enough for 4-6 people at a time, the other set 2 people at a time. They took the small men's room and made it a one person non-gendered bathroom with a privacy lock on the entry. The privacy lock and a new sign was all that was needed to do this.
sex/gender are the same and arent even observed (not assigned) at birth. its usually the 1st or 2nd trimester
Really good to hear that they have this in place.
This started in our educational system where teachers are taught what to teach. Satan's no dummy.
I enjoyed your synopsis. I played it at 75% playback speed, which was a bit slow. But I need a bit more processing time to fully digest and appreciate your content. I hope you might please slow the pace of your presentations a little. I also ditto jimmckin333’s comment regarding handbook language.
I'm so happy for this handbook update. It's unfortunate that this is needed for the world we live in.
@@JacobSmithEngineer Cult
Single occupancy rr make more sense even for families with young children. Some church buildings have them and if my wife wasn't with me and i had my daughter i preferred using that if she needed to be changed wtc vs taking her to the mens rr
@@BrianTerrill Watch them youngsters close, remember the Boy Scouts
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." I'm pretty sure from reading this comment section that there isn't a transgender member of the church that would feel loved or respected. That doesn't feel very Christlike to me. I just can't picture Christ saying most of these things. He loves his transgender kids
According to Jesus, there's no such thing as a transgender. See Mark 10.6; Gen 5.2. But Jesus does indeed love children. Unless they've reached the point where God has given them over to a reprobate mind for their own sin of hating God (Deut 22.5; Rom 1.21-27), children who are gender confused are likely victims of grooming or worse abuse.
@@danthechristian6097 It's not nice to cherry pick. ^^ Mark 10:6 is something that Christ says aa part of big long dialogue talking about how divorce is wrong.
See Mark 10:7 through 10:12^^
Naughty naughty 🤣
You are also making the assumption/inserting your personal belief that because someone is transgender that makes them of "reprobate" mind^^
*Gasp* 😱
@@bakachan3601 It wasn't cherry-picking. And again, there's no such thing as a transgender. You're the one pushing opinion. The Bible makes clear that God loves the world collectively (John 3:16; Romans 5:8) and that he loves young and unaccountable children (Deut 1:39; Matt 19:14). However, until a sinner puts his trust in Jesus he is under God's wrath. Ephesians 2:3. So in his mercy God loves everyone, but in his holiness God HATES many people. "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." Psalm 5:5. God also hates "hands that shed innocent blood". See Proverbs 6:16-17. Also, Proverbs 6:16 defines "abomination" as "things that the LORD hates". Since the LORD called transvestites themselves an "abomination" (Deut 22:5), that means God hates transvestites too. When you say "God loves you" to perverts you need to qualify the statement by reminding them of God's holiness and righteous indignation. God burns perverts alive. Gen 19:24-25; Jude 1:7.
@@danthechristian6097Just because someone is transgender or cross-dresses does not make them automatically a pervert, being a sexually deviant like the people of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, who wanted to fuck anything that breathed does make you a pervert tho. 😇
ὅτι βδέλυγμα κυρίῳ τῷ θεῷ σού ἐστιν πᾶς ποιῶν ταῦτα
כִּי תוֹעֲבַת יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ כGT אֵלֶּה
Translit.: hoti bdelugma kuriō(i) tō(i) theō(i) sou estin pas poiōn tauta
Trans.: for every one that does these things is an abomination to the Lord thy God
GT: for to Yahweh, God of Host, disgusting is such that do so
TNK: for whoever does these things is abhorrent to the LORD your God.
In the original Hebrew the word abhorrent is used. The same word is used when describing things as not Kosher. Yes God thinks it's icky and you shouldn't do it and it's a sin, but it's not an abomination the worst sin imaginable the most horrible evilest thing.
The same goes for the bit in Romans referring to men lying with other men as they would women, the word detestable is used not animation.
The word abomination didn't start popping up until it was translated from Hebrew. 😇
It is important that men not have access to women and children while they are vulnerable, especially while using bathrooms or going on girls camps.
The church is not required to provide victims for these men. Women's and children's safety must come before men's feelings about themselves.
And no member should be instructed to lie.
This clarity is helpful but most of all embodies a Christlike and sensitive approach towards all of God’s children….
agreed
It in fact, does not. For example, telling someone that they require an escort to use the bathroom implies that they are dangerous person that you believe may assault someone at any moment.
Registered sex offenders don’t get even require escorts to the bathroom per church policy. So tell me again how that is a sensitive approach to all of God’s children?
@@Applest2oApples The escort requirement assures privacy and comfort for persons who do not feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with a person of the opposite sex, it does not represent an accusation of guilt.
The Church asserts the God-given truth about sex while allowing for trans persons to have access to Church facilities.
@@roxysdad40 exactly. You’ve proven that it’s not about having a “sensitive approach to all of God’s children” but rather protecting the sensitivities of people who are uncomfortable with trans people. Just like we used to segregate blacks since we were uncomfortable being around them!
It's really not complicated so I disagree with her statement. It's about aligning with truth.
Same here.
For some members, conforming to the world is a genuine personal struggle of recognizing how to be tolerant and how to speak truth at the same time.
@@Aristotle33 No one is asking for conformity. No one is requiring women to be stepford wives and men to be cowboys. What we're not going to do is that pretend that a person who takes cross sex hormones, surgically modifies their body and dresses in clothing designed for the opposite sex is in fact the opposite sex.
As a member i am not suppised by the recent changes but the damage is done. The first time i read in the church hand book that some ordinaces are genderless and used terms otherwise worthy made my heart sink. They have a lot more to anwser for before i will be returning to church including how they are going to protect my family. There policy cleard up nothing of the past 2 years of vagueness. Plus exceptions are nowhere anywhere in the BM or Bible.
Can't we all just be boys and girls again? Life was much simpler that way.
Call me old fashioned 😂🙄
Life was so much simpler when people in the LGBT community were silent, quiet, closeted and targets of abuse... You're right. Thanks for reminding me how you can live in a world of comfort.
Its not that deep, man. Theyre 1% of the population. It isnt hard to treat them with respect.
@@Draegoron
Yeah just abandon your morals and values
to accept them. It's not that deep Bro.
I’m with you 100% with that statement! As human beings, we tend to complicate things, unfortunately.
It's really NOT a complicated issue at all. If I find out that there is a male in the same bathroom with my wife or daughter, there will be a different kind of "laying on of hands" for which I will gladly accept excommunication. It's really not the same church as it was twenty years ago.
This threat of violence is exactly what I expect from a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Thank you for confirming for me why I left this church.
@@BJHeffernan finally someone that’s awake 😀
@@weshanna6278 If that's actually why you left the church, than you're not breaking anyone's heart. Women and girls have the right to privacy and security while using the restroom. Good husbands and fathers of virtually every Christian denomination would fight to ensure that.
@@BJHeffernan But we now have a lot of weak , woke people that when there beloved man made religion says jump and get ready to swallow more hog was they do it , it’s call being in a cult ! Anybody heard of a man from Texas , Warren Jeffs who is now doing time in a Texas prison ,
Not much difference between him and Joe the polyandrous prophet !
As a former bishop it is easy to find issue with church policy or actions. I appreciate this review. Having been on the “inside” of discussion with local church leadership I can assure and that wonder that all actions are done with respect to our Heavenly Father and His doctrine first, but they are done carefully, prayerfully and with much discussion to try and do everything with love and compassion of the person regardless of the person’s thought or beliefs. Lots of sleepless nights.
Always with the thought that Heavenly Father loves His children and we must too.
How many people will leave the church due to these changes?
Thank goodness there is nowhere in the Bible that states you need to attend a church.
@@_Nat_A_ No , in-fact if you’re a true believer , YOU ARE The CHURCH , and we are also called Gods temple, no need for modern temples !
A two second google search would have taken you to Hebrews 10:25
So if I'm a male-to-female convert (already transitioned) do I go to EQ or RS?
EQ
Which is strange, because the church was supporting a trans woman (who transitioned from male to female) who was attending Relief Society.
Richard Ostler (Papa Ostler) is a faithful church member, has a book published in the Deseret Book and until then it was acceptable that in your case would attend the relief society...
This new rule appears to have been an Elder Oaks decision, as Russell Nelson is currently ill.
This is all just completely crazy!!!
This is crazy. With compassion and love, and faith in the church and the savior, I say, this is cray.
It's really not that complicated. people MADE it complicated with their nonsense.
The policy is headed in the right direction. But it doesn't go far enough.
To me, this wasn't difficult. How can you believe that you're made in the image of God and also believe He made a mistake with your sex/gender? The latter is a prideful worldly view.
The change in pronouns disassociating from sex/gender is a lingual thing so ultimately is not consequential. Physical change of the body would mean you disagree with the image of God and therefore is consequential.
Nevertheless, speaking to someone with respect, love, and care (this doesn't mean you have to support everything they say/do and reinforce their decision so that they feel good about their decisions) should be at play REGARDLESS of where anyone lines up on anything.
Sure, it'll be more difficult as the waters get muddier to not speak inappropriately. But the Holy Ghost will tell you what you should say if you listen.
There could be a little more clarity on what transitioning back means when it comes to surgically transitioned persons. It just can't be rolled all the way back, does that mean they can't get the temple ever again or does rolling it back as much as possible allow for that?
Gender is not a choice. You are either male or female, you can't just choose and I am so glad the church is clarifying this for individuals who keep trying to find a work around the laws of God. Individuals who struggle with dysphoria need our sympathy and support, they do not need, nor should we provide affirmation for something that is so clearly a perversion of the laws of God.
Wow never thought I would see the day. Please jesus come soon!
It isn't up to us to judge them. GOD will do that in HIS own way when the time is right our job is to LOVE them.
Accommodating their perversions is not love. Surrender by not judging, delivers your children to the bondage Satan is striving for.
I think you're both right. Church members should be loving to sinners but not accept sin. I think transgender individuals typically need more love than firm correction. It's hard to have this particular struggle and there are some really rude members out there
@@andrewwood6285Amen
@@_Squiggle_
I get it….life is truly a pain in the neck sometimes!! Be kind and loving yes, but recognize that MANY men who “transition” to women ARE pedophiles. Read some of Andy Ngo’s (journalist) articles. You wouldn’t believe how many are convicted sex offenders (involving children). Nothing says that you have to be “rude” to these folks, but at the same time, BE AWARE. Like Ronald Regan said: “Trust but verify.”
Thank you for sharing this information in an accurate and sensitive way. I hope all feel welcome church!
To me the subject is not complicated. Gender transition (which is not even possible, even after drugs and surgery) is nothing more than another ungodly doctrine of the Great and Spacious building that has found popularity in our day and is being pushed upon society. Meanwhile, those at the tree, that love truth, are being shouted at and mocked for not pandering to falsehoods. Same old same old.
While I may feel compassion for individuals who struggle with gender dysphoria, pandering to their false beliefs does no one any good. In fact, it does the opposite. I will not do things such as use false pronouns. Truth and reality are NOT usurped by feelings.
We ALL have issues we struggle with. At the end of the day every single one of us has to ask this question……will I put my will above the Lord’s, or will I do as Christ did and say, “Thy will be done.”
Biological sex transition is impossible. Gender transition is possible if you define gender different than sex
I think your main problem is actually with the specific words/definitions
People can obviously act like a member of the other sex. I don't think you are disputing that
You are disputing that how you act should be called gender
@@_Squiggle_ go away.
@@841577 Very well said .
@@_Squiggle_ In English, for the majority of people "gender" is synonymous with "sex". So "gender", like sex, is unchangeable even with a lifetime of cross sex hormones and surgeries. Gender, as in the linguistic categories of "masculine" or "feminine", or as in the theoretical "social construct"- these have no value to people who don't care about theory. Women, adult human females, don't have to be "feminine" in order to be women. We are not stereotypes or costumes. Women are just female. There is no such thing as a male woman or a male girl- those are just men and boys, regardless of how they identify, dress, behave.
@@cousinadams6845 I agree the terminology is super confusing. In general, transgender people use the word 'gender' with the definition that is not just the same as 'sex.'
But I think the social construct of gender is relevant. Lots of people get made fun for "not being manly enough" or spend money trying to make themselves seem "more feminine." I agree that it's made up but it's a made up a part of culture everyone will need to interact with
The only reason you think that a manly female is not a man is because your definition of woman is such. The definition of woman is made up, so there's not ultimately a "right answer" to what it can mean.
People this is simple. The church is making policies to protect themselves legally and temporally. The reality is you would not have to worry about restrictions if you followed God and recognize homosexuality is wrong. Simple as that.
What would Lehi do? What would Nephi do?
I'll take a guess that they would love and teach them about the coming Christ right along with anyone else who would listen.
I have no idea what Nephi and Lehi would do in this situation
Modern day transgenderism is so foreign to 600BC that they wouldn't have any context for what is going on
It's like asking how Nephi would drive a car. I think the answer is completely unknowable
Quit believing in fairy tales,and come to the Jesus of the Bible
@@isaiah-4310 Attacking spirituality/belief in miracles is not a great way for people to switch religions. It's like telling people who drive Fords that pollution is bad for the air quality, so they should embrace Chevrolets
@@_Squiggle_ adjust your garments and read your current handbook , you know the one that never changes from year to year , lol
SP, why does it seem like the more decades we've gone through, the more people there are that have these complications? How come it was never (or at least rarely ever) an issue back in, say, the 1980s or before, as far as I could tell, but then nowadays it's quite common? What is it that happens that makes them more plentiful over the decades?
I personally know two individuals who were born intersexed. Their parents had to decide, at birth, what sex was going to be assigned to these children. Both, as adults, transitioned to the other sex. Upon hormone testing, these individuals had more of the opposite sex hormones confirming the assigned sex at birth was incorrect. Personally, I feel these new policies are in direct opposition to what the church has been stating for many years...that we are to be sensitive, accepting, and to love all of our brothers and sisters. These members are not pediophils and should not be discriminated against, i.e., by advising that if they cannot find a single stall restroom in the church, that they will be escorted by another member who has cleared the restroom of other members while this member uses the restroom, or they will need to find an alternative means to use the restroom. How humiliating is that for the member? Why discriminate and state that our transgender sisters can only attend Relief Society on a limited basis? I have a question for all of my member friends. If Christ was the door greeter at sacrament meeting, and one of our transgender brothers or sisters presented to attend that meeting, would Christ turn that person away? I think not. He would welcome them with open arms. I personally think that we have taken a step backwards in love and acceptance.
When you say “born intersexed” do you mean born with both sets of genitalia? If so, that is extremely rare, and makes up a minuscule portion of the so-called transgender community. That you personally know two different people born that way is astounding. The odds are astronomical.
This would obviously be an exception to the rules they've set out. Most of the transgender problems are coming from social contagion among teenagers who are confused about themselves because they are adolescents and their brains aren't mature. Social media tells them the dumbest lies. I wish I didn't know this from first hand experience.
Have you not heard the General Conference the last few years? The brethren have preached nothing but kindness and love towards this LGBT community.
@dnllamb “Beware of the Pharisees a they are like whited sepulchures - they appear beautiful on the outside but inwardly are full of dead mens’ bones.
They may have said one thing, but the policies they enact are the opposite. How humiliating do you like it would be full to have to be escorted to the bathroom and wait until it’s empty? You know registered sex offenders are allowed to attend church and don’t even require bathroom escorts right?
So let’s recap - convicted child molester: can use the bathroom alone with your child without supervision. Trans person - can not use the bathroom with anyone and must be supervised.
Wrong. You're describing the experiences of two people born with a genetic condition before committees existed to protect babies with ambiguous genitalia and other birth defects. Anyone can look up the David & Bruce Reimer case for a chilling example of why we DON'T transition infants... or buy into gender ideology. Those cases aren't representative of the vast majority of transgender people. Your example is a far cry from the physically healthy father of 4 who gets sexual satisfaction from wearing his wife's clothing when she's not home- like Bruce Jenner or Tyler Reks; Or the plethora of austic girls and girls in foster care sucked into the lie that they can become boys (Keira Bell, Elle Palmer, Chloe Cole). You didn't mention the young men who consume so much pornography that they dream about becoming the sexual object in the videos they're addicted to- like Andrea Long Chu- who wrote in his infamous book "Females": The barest essentials’ of femaleness is ‘an open mouth, an expectant a**hole, blank, blank eyes’. 48% of incarcerated trans "women" are in jail for sexual assault involving women and/or children- Karen White, Isla Bryson, Hannah/ James Tubbs, Synthia China Blast. I could go on and on- which shouldn't be possible with a small wholesome population. There are so many women who have been sounding the alarm about transgenderism for decades- Janice Raymond, Helen Joyce, Abigail Shier, Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock, Debra Soh, Cordelia Fine, Kara Dansky, Linda Blade, Jennifer Bilek, Sheila Jeffreys....You owe it to yourself to do more research before you condemn the church and jump to conclusions about what Christ should welcome with open arms into his church.
If a person who is anorexic says they are fat, are we supposed to say; yes you are fat and go along with it?
Or let them know the truth and offer to help them or offer them to get help?
@@roygonzalez2478 Most will turn off their brains and refer to their handbook !
Government passes these laws and the Church has to comply😮😮 same as same sex couples.GOD ONLY KNOWS. Oops only God knows.
I love what you stated at the end. I feel the same way you do. I think you handled this very well.
Maaayn truth is truth, male and female that is it! Truth cannot be change, I am not sure why we making these adjustments
Maybe dig deeper? It's ambiguous and the GH alludes to this.
"Individuals Whose Sex at Birth Is Not Clear
In extremely rare circumstances, a baby is born with genitals that are not clearly male or female (ambiguous genitalia, sexual ambiguity, or intersex). Parents or others may have to make decisions to determine their child’s sex with the guidance of competent medical professionals. Decisions about proceeding with medical or surgical intervention are often made in the newborn period. However, they can be delayed unless they are medically necessary.
Special compassion and wisdom are required when youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity experience emotional conflict regarding the gender decisions made in infancy or childhood and the gender with which they identify.
Questions about membership records, priesthood ordination, and temple ordinances for youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity should be directed to the Office of the First Presidency.
-General Handbook
One of your videos just showed up in my feed on another subject and I have really appreciated your explanations, descriptions, and perspective when approaching all subjects inlcuding the sensitive ones.
Sex is recognized at birth... Not assigned.
wrong.
"Individuals Whose Sex at Birth Is Not Clear
In extremely rare circumstances, a baby is born with genitals that are not clearly male or female (ambiguous genitalia, sexual ambiguity, or intersex). Parents or others may have to make decisions to determine their child’s sex with the guidance of competent medical professionals. Decisions about proceeding with medical or surgical intervention are often made in the newborn period. However, they can be delayed unless they are medically necessary.
Special compassion and wisdom are required when youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity experience emotional conflict regarding the gender decisions made in infancy or childhood and the gender with which they identify.
Questions about membership records, priesthood ordination, and temple ordinances for youth or adults who were born with sexual ambiguity should be directed to the Office of the First Presidency.
-General Handbook
@@ashleypierce8500 Actually you're wrong. Sex is observed at birth 99% of the time. The cases that you're citing are EXTREMELY RARE- which doesn't make it the rule. Humans are born with two arms, the fact that a few babies are born with a third nub somewhere, doesn't change the rule hence why it's a birth DEFECT. And those "intersex" individuals still have a sex- that becomes clearer after puberty and the development of secondary sex characteristics.
@@cousinadams6845 there are about 136 MILLION people in this world that are considered scientifically intersex. That's a lot. Try and justify your way around that. You can't. The church doctrine makes a provision to that fact. Who are you to argue against what the handbook has conceded?
@@cousinadams6845 answer my question, who are you to argue with the Brethren?