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I am just burned out by the sheer number of new sets.
There are more sets out there than Rudy videos at this point.
@@realandimaginedxyz Definitely feels like especially if you count secret lairs and commander deck sets.
I really miss the Ixalan block and everything before it. Did not realize what a good formula that earlier era was using.
How does a MTG set "wear" you out if you don't buy it? Lol MTG nerds complain about everything.
@@jessicastevens538 Because it still affects the metagame? Do people saying things like this even think at all... (also destroys stores and the secondary market)
Topps destroyed the original model of baseball cards in the 80s and 90s but the 1950s topps base sets are still nearly priceless. There will never be another Alpha / Beta and those cards will never lose their value entirely.
Add Arabian Nights to that
@@Midwestern1121 plus Legends and antiquities.
@@Ragnarok691 Legends cards are a dime a dozen. You could still buy cartons of those things at cheap prices back in the 2000s when sets like Ice Age were getting rarer.
@@Chris-ey8zf sure but I still love them. It's all overprinted compared to Alpha and Beta
Unlimited too to a certain extent
Rudy should make an OF called "Rudy's Crack," and it's just videos of him cracking packs
Pack opening ASMR
Look above market price is a clean word I like to say people are throwing away money so a middle man can be successful giving him a bigger platform to preach ideas that favor guys like him, very human on both sides but ehh I'm just some poor, dont listen to the poor people that don't care about your money ,trust the guys that need there bank account numbers to go up to get that sweet sweet dopamine release
@@Duransurik Damn bro, where is your "sport car"?
The old cards will still be rare and desirable even if reprinted. People will want the old ones to collect or bling out their decks. The reserve list does nothing now except stroke investors ego and gatekeep cards from the majority of players.
They will still drop in value.
L take😂😂
@@damo9961 Oh no! My $1000 Chains of Mephistopheles will only be worth $500! 😩Someone think of the investors!
@@babe9961 "I like the reserved list because Rudy told me to."
@@WormxHarvester naw b.
I don’t buy or play magic, i just watch Rudy videos
This is the way.
Always have been
What draws us here, brothers?
reformed mtg addict personally
I'd wager fewer than half of this channel's subscribers actually play Magic. The channel is entirely centered around Magic cards as financial investments.
"Does Hasboro have the ability to reduce the value of Magic to zero?" Yes.
Magic will never get to “zero” nothing will ever get to zero…at some point the price point will get so low someone will take a shot…Ford stock got down to $1.5 in 2008…and than people started to buy the hell out of it. I’m sure they are glad they did.
Exactly, a key distinction would that this is not WOTC but straight up Hasbro
people must not know what caused the video game crash of the 80s.
They could definitely cause a big value impact but they absolutely cannot reduce the value to zero. Even if they printed a hundred thousand cases of new Beta cards I don't think they could do it.
Hell, even in a post apocalyptic US where things turned into Mad Max, you'd have some guy (probably Rudy) who was smart enough to bunker up with some playsets of ABU and some rich asshole (also Rudy?) would pay handsomely for them.
Original cards will never go to nothing 🤭
I see new Rudy video, I click watch. It’s that simple.
Pmuch
Me too!
Same haha
Same and I have no interest in magic, but I still watch this creepy man.
Where does it say "watch" that you can click on?
As someone who spend 70.000$ form 2016 Eldritch Moon to Throne of Eldraine and tons in Legacy Decks. I can say the reserved List was untouchable before Wizards farted Magic 30th.
Now it lost its special thing. They showed its not as untouchable anymore.
"I bought a few..." This, in Rudy terms, means one bathroom full of Secret Lairs
He's definitely set the FAB vid investment house up as a stronghold to stash shit at. Whole BEDROOMS full of shit.
No one is saying the reserve list is “going to zero”. But a lot of people are saying that Wizards breaking the spirit of its reserve list promise will put downward pressure on prices now, and likely limit growth in perpetuity going forward.
This is the way. “It’s not going to zero” is a red herring argument IMO.
Good is what I say. I don't want it to go to zero, but it could use some downward pressure.
@@MarkFillmore it's a galloping goalpost into false dichotomy
Thats good for the game honestly. Reserved list prices being high is never EVER part of what made magic successful. And if they do abolish reserve list guess what, many of those vintage cards will go UP in value. Look at the ptk imperial seal price after its reprinting for evidence.
@Mr. Joesterr oh ffs. No, that's not how this works. The argument "the original will still be worth money" is a trap. Sure, the originals having a smaller amount out there, a smaller amount of people have them. But the point remains, the lowest priced version of an item is the only version that matters, even moreso if the art is exactly the same. Just because 5 people say something is worth $1000 doesn't mean you can sell it. Meanwhile the version that is 25 cents sales multiple a day, reprinting hurts the ability to actually sell the cards.
I don’t know what necessarily happened during the sports card collapse of the 1990s. But I FEEL that Hasbro is taking MTG right to the edge of whatever the 1990s card collapse is.
na even as shitty as it is with hasbro, they were releasing 5x the amount of product annually for the power 4 sports in the 90s NHL/NBA/NFL/MLB my dad who has at least 7 figures in sports card and memorabilia never shuts up about it 25 years later.
Same thing that is happening to magic. I grew up through sports card collapse of 1990's. I was into it but one day it just became to much to keep up with and like Rudy said "it just wasn't cool anymore". Friends had super rare cards they wanted to trade and all of a sudden I could care less. Burnt out, sick of it. Soon I found out I wasn't alone and a new group formed and took over. We moved on to other things until sports cards were never spoke of again.
Edit: Funny enough the few die hard collectors even moved on to things like Magic because it was new and exciting again. I expect many Magic fans will or already have done the same.
People realized that trading cards were just overpriced pieces of cardboard with no inherent value. It took 20 years and pandemic lockdowns for people to start forgetting that.
anything sportsball is cursed to die at this point
Let's remember marvel cards as well. I still have my marvel masterpieces 1995 still love the art thought.
It's like all the sudden, they're viewing them as easily reprintable cardboard! I am shocked by this. It's also a big mystery why people are losing interest in a game they cannot physically play with anyone. Again, I am shocked by this. It's almost like investing millions of dollars into a highly illiquid assets puts you at the whims of all kinds of factors. Again, I don't know how anyone could have predicted this. Also, it's almost like the boomers and millennials are a finite resource because wizards is failing spectacularly at bringing in new players. Again, I am shocked by this.
Rudy: _"It's Magic 30 time!!"_
Timmy: _"No! Rudy! No!!"_
“It’s Rudy time”
The worst thing a company can do is break the illusion. The illusion of continue worth vs trouble. The illusion of caring for the customers. Like i used to play one of those early korean mmorpgs. Started spending like $5 a month. Later i bought into the VIP items & in the end i spend a good $200+ a month. Game was getting old & half my friends had left the game. Then one day i bought 10x cheapo something & only saw 9 in my cluttered inbox. Items had to be manually delivered by the devs, so i politely send a customer ticket if they had missed one. Got a rude answer. I probably misscalculted that is true. But the answer broke the illusion. Made me ask myself why i was even there. I stopped playing the game instantly. The worst thing a company can do is breaking the "the normal" pace/monotony of their spending customers. That is alos why everyone is trying to get you to sign up for subscriptions.
I'm in the "artwork reserve list card" opinion, but with 5+ versions of every new cards that sounds hardly feasible now.
I agree, they should expand the reserve list. This will also force wotc to design new stuff and not depend on the secondary market for making a good new product. This will up the value of newer products and I think will increase sales of things to come
Hell, a 5 year limit on reprinting would be helpful.
I feel like so many people are trying to collect magic now and that's why Wizards is messing up so much. It used to be that Magic was a game to play. Build a standard deck, run drafts, then play commander or modern with all the rotated cards plus some newer staples. But when COVID hit everyone started collecting for money and so Wizards printed collector boosters, Wizards printed Secret Lairs, etc. Wizards needs to go back to printing 4-5 standard sets a year plus one masters, commander or modern set. Collector boosters and set boosters need to either dissappear or have their concepts be merged with draft boosters to create a booster that has cool art cards and a chance to hit value without needing to pay an extreme premium (like how double masters has 2 rares instead of one)
It’s over for sealed mtg ain’t it….
Maybe their new products, but the older products are still a very interesting choice
@@Hekkr The Urza's block is 1000% getting reprinted. There's just too much money to be had there. Dark back I wouldn't buy because I wouldn't trust the product (those early packs are EASY to search). You do you but buying sealed MTG now is not smart. Does $600 a box for Fallen Empires sound sane to you? In 1999, we couldn't move that crap for $40 a box. Like, at ALL.
This is why we have cube
@@Hekkr agreed….
It's over for everything. Everything is going to zero. The sun will not come up tomorrow. We're just seizing the opportunity to complain as much as we can on the way down. (" -.-)
That's *Mr.* Mark Bottomwater to you, Rudy!
Mark "belle delphine's bathwater"
I think many people are just trying to anticipate what may happen when Wizards releases the rest of their 30th Anniversary boxes into the wild.
i love when rudy just goes on tiny tangets in the videos
@@ChristopherSmithNYC FOLKS!!! 💯🤣
in any conversation thats where the best good stuff is.
Nobody can become financially successful overnight. They put in background work but we tend to see the finished part. Fear is a dangerous component, hindering us from taking bold steps we need in other to reach our goals. you have to contend with inflation, recession, decisions from the Feds and all. I was able to increase my portfolio by $289k in months. You have to seek for help in the right places.
Reserved List for Card@Specific artwork is a good approach. Protects the value of the card without compromising the game or making it impossible to new players have access to certain formats/mechanics/types of decks. an original black lotus from Alpha will always be an original black lotus from alpha, it's the same as a vintage car, like a Camaro or a Ferrari...you can't buy a new Camaro 73, you can buy a new Camaro from the current year but if you want that vintage one you'll have to find a Camaro 73 that was made in 73.
I'm not against your idea, but the car argument is flawed. A new Camero does not even look like an old one never mind be mechanically similar. I mean it's got 4 wheels, that's about the end of the similar stuff
@@davidbaker9412 >I'm not against your idea, but the car argument is flawed.
It's not really though, there's a huge market in reproduction parts for many classic cars, even complete new fiberglass bodies on new chassis with same look as the original.
Yeah, I think it should always be new artwork. I think it should always be in the new frame. They should not be able to print reserve list cards with a retro frame and I think they should always be white border
The main issue with this comparison is that magic cards hold value because of the success of the game, the comparative strength of the card, rarity compared to other cards, and complete strangers willingness to buy cardboard rectangle from eachother for large amounts of inked cloth rectangles. As the magic community shrinks, the wow factor of owning an old banned card also diminishes. As it stands magic cards, like art are a fantastic commodity to launder money.
you are the problem with mtg
Bro. That’s a lot of merch in the back. Love it. Looking like a card emperor
*cardboard emperor
I got black bordered power for 2$ a card from China for my future cube. Thanks for promoting proxies wotc!
Still buying reserve list cards. I like the cards.
Tarmogoyf was $200. With all the reprinting of Tarmogoyf and Power Creep. Its now $40 (Future Sight) or $16 (MM 2015).
So yeah, Hasbro can reprint Magic to zero.
Goyf was never 200. It topped out at 140-150 then it got it's first reprint. Been downhill since. (Plus Goyf sees very little play anymore).
@@chazzanschutz6096 no joke, power creep killed goyf prices, not reprints
@@chazzanschutz6096 You might want to double check that.
@@dudewithacat fatal push specifically.
a mint 30 year old trading card belongs in a museum.
I want to sell all of my reserve list cards to corner the market on war mammoths
Name checks out
I'm probably done picking up specific Reserved List cards because I've completed my objectives. I'm sure I'll get some in collections, but not going to target them any more.
I'm not sure we've hit the bottom yet -- I can see the bear market continuing -- but we'll see. But yes, the lack of competition has been nice -- acquiring my targets has been far easier and less expensive than I had planned for.
I mean 2 others and me have been heavily investing in older boxes and reserved lists consistently. You don't stop buying during a down turn. You ramp up and don't try to hit a bottom.... consistent buying is investing 101
My method of investing into Magic sealed is to buy a draft box of each decent set. If it goes up, great and can make some money. If they don't, I still win with a fun draft for the future. The latter my original goal.
It ain’t no fun sitting on them lol like not opening a toy so you can’t play with it, I don’t know how long we got on earth but I try to live it up lol im older big reason I play the game and open about everything have fun. ah magic is a young man’s game anymore the cards and getting to Goofy to understand I got dudes beating my power 9-10 level decks with monkeys and banana tokens from jumpstart 🤦🏼♂️ I’m getting ready to switch to standard 1-1 games start seeing some old cards I grew up playing, these kids and this new commander stuff is to much for my A.D.D. To handle lol
@@jtmoney606 There's no token in Jumpstart.
I think you missed the point
That's what happen when you've damaged the trust and love people had in your product.
They have opened the eyes of a LOT of people as to the fact that the cards we love and value a lot are, in the end, just stupid cardboard rectangle of no real value that Wizard can just print again at any second.
It's impossible to repair the damage done.
So much of this resonates as a pokemon collector.
Once the duals were about half off I started buying
It's hard to have a bull market in sealed when the singles get reprinted on a monthly basis with no end in sight with lairs and new sets. With modern Era boxes, reprints do affect the sealed prices.
When Hasbro said “reserved list” they meant “reserved for us to print at a later date”
Good! Now let’s have them actually do it already
That's the way it was intended. Reserved list cards aren't supposed to be reprinted. But, if they ever wanted to, they still reserve the right to add and REMOVE cards from the reserved list, at will. If they wanted to, they could just remove the power 9 from the reserved list, print it into oblivion, and then add them right back, and theres nothing anybody could do about it. And I honestly hope they do that. I can't afford standard because wizards charges to much for new sealed and standard rotates. I can't afford the eternal formats because the singles are way too expensive, and this is against the will of Garfield himself. Every single problem with magic right now can be traced back to one thing: This is what happens when collectors and professional investors run the entire market for game pieces. It ceases to be a game, because it's no longer fun.
@@joshuacrumley2031 just play arena..and print proxies...your logic is flawed...
@BrightForest no, there shouldn’t have been a reserved list to begin with. It was a mistake and it’s anti-new player.
@@ThunderfallFilms How is it anti-new player? How many RL cards does one absolutely need to play Modern, Standard, Kitchen Table or EDH?
I started watching 59 seconds after this was posted which is 10 seconds early, which we'll just call taco special.
I miss Rudy throwing shit. Please just throw more things. Makes me a happy Timmy.
The wife and kid's and job will have to wait there's a new Rudy the 🌮👑 video up lol...
While I don't think WOTC can nuke the price to zero, they can reduce the value just by reducing the scarcity. There will always be collectors of old cards, but much of the reserved list value and demand was driven by this scarcity. Look how prices of Liliana, Tarmogoyf, and Snapcaster have been uttery obliterated by reprints. No one cares about the "1st edition" heck many prefer the new cards with holograms that are more difficult to forge. I think if they start reprinting tournament legal duals and other playable reserves. The market will tank on them (especially the white bordered).
I do think there is a cost to this though. I mean seriously I think Wizards is delving too greedily and too deep. I have zero confidence in WOTC now. I'm not paying $100 a box for cards when they will just reprint any value that set has. There is no collectability and ultimately the longer you hold onto your cards the more likely the value goes down and not up. I mean sure it makes the game more accessible, but who is going to be paying these high prices when there is no resell or value? I'm not. Part of the appeal is that I could recoup some of the expenditures on the cards that would hold some value, but for the prices they are asking for product. I ain't paying that for what really is becoming useless cardboard. I'm spending my disposable income elsewhere.
Lol just proxy if money is an issue. It is really not difficult if you love the game. If you're in it for the investment, look elsewhere or only buy original printings of the card.
Even aside for "investment" it is just weighting any value the set has. With the quick rotation, people will spend hundreds on new sets just to have them quickly move out of playability and any cards purchased have no sustained value at all they pretty much completely depreciate. I'm not even talking about making money, I'm just talking about losing money constantly sunk into the game. This is a bigger issue given the increasing costs to play the game. I mean for this kind of money why not spend your money on other entertainment options?Especially, given that game stores are being killed and drying up options to play IRL. I really think Wizards is going to learn the hard way that they are ruining the long-term value of the brand. I feel this behavior is driving the established base away at a much higher rate than it is promoting new entry.
@@DavidLaneFox like I said if money is an issue and you still love and wanr to play the game, don't bother buying new sets unless you like drafting and just proxy what you want. Let them end their company, we can still play the game.
@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS I do agree there. I don't buy their products any longer.
when Rudy owns every magic card there is , are they still valuable?
That stands on what your definition of value is. What IS value?, valuable.
The diamond handed collectors in the hobby are the greatest security of value you could hope for.
Rudy's moving on from Magic 30th, but will Wizards let him? Still a whole year of celebrations to go...
Rudy the old cards are outdated. You need to dump that crap and get yourself a modern frame Black Lotus with a back that's been printed using an HP printer from 1997.
Hasbro is aligned with Larry Fink and Jerome PowPow.... Magic: The Great Reset
On the next episode of Rudy goes insane.
I think the price crashing it good. People hoarding collectables with the hopes and dreams of selling them for a fortune in the future is creating a toxic market. If people only care about the cards because they have financial value, it ruins the product. The cards only have the amount of value that people are willing to pay. Buy cards because you love them, not because you want to make money off them, there's no such thing as fast easy money.
The secondary market was always a really cool addition to the community that I really enjoyed, now that it's been incorporated into wizards marketing strategy's the allure of it has really collapsed for me. It's not longer just a cute by-product of a game aging gracefully over years of love and play causing higher and higher demand for old antique cards. Now all the supply freezing and bullshit from the company getting involved and watching the secondary just makes it feel like a pump and dump that just happens to be a card game, rather than a card game that happens to be an investment vehicle.
Maybe this was always the eventual end of the road for this process, that the corporation would eventually be too tempted to dip their feet as the secondary market grew and grew. It's just all just so disappointing.
@@Burkesworth Wizards is following Pokemon product lines now, the multiple printing of cards with different foiling and art was a move to keep prices down on the secondary market, too often in standard there would be a card that was $25+ on the secondary market and would be a 'Play it, or play against it' card. People would hoard them and drive prices up. Now that there are multiple versions, now the average player can get the basic version for a low price. Collectors and investors can fight over the fancy printing. The cards shouldn't be worth nothing, but they also shouldn't be so unobtainable that spending a fortune on the secondary market is your only option
@@NoahCloud_SumZer0 yea any playable cards shouldn't be included. My interest is limited to the idea that cards can be antiques, transcending their original intent and gaining value as a rare memory. In this case that should be limited to happening with shit printed in the 90s.
@@Burkesworth With the popularization of eternal formats like commander, they have to do reprinting. Look at what secondary market prices were before and after commander got popular. There are old cards I use in casual decks that used to cost $1, now they're $20, $30, $40
@@NoahCloud_SumZer0 I've seen this argument, my perspective isn't much of a counter, just different pressure points. I also hate how the reserve list interacts with eternal formats, but it's also my opinion that those early cards have horrible game design and make the game degenerate. So far I've enjoyed the reserve lists function of keeping those irritating mistakes out of my field of veiw. I would sooner see the reserve list cards removed from formats all together to resolve this problem we all agree is there.
If they're after money, they're foolish for not expanding the reserved list to at least certain editions of cards. For example, masterpiece cards. If people knew that there were true limited edition cards in new products, it definitely wouldn't hurt sales!
I am shifting to buying more reserved list cards over the new products.
The reason m30 failed was price.
If this was 99.99 this would have been a grand slam.
The reserved list is dead and this video and comment are cope.
Please be careful
How much is sealed affected by the massive reprints though. Will anyone want to buy these sets when they are old if they can pick up something new with most of the cards they want in it?
Shouldn't affect their price. What matters for old cards isn't as much the card per say but the set they are from. Generally speaking, the older and smaller the set, the higher the price. Add to that how some cards are artificially inflated because they are turned into a symbol of status (black lotus) and you create an economy where the set is what dictates the price.
72 secret lairs + 24 commander decks + 7 sets/supplementals + the pioneer decks and probably a few other things I'm missing = over 103 mtg products this year so basically 2 products a week ☠️☠️☠️
It's awesome right? You can just buy what you want. Variety is good. Am I jealous of stores trying to predict demand? No. But as a consumer it's good.
@@refroggy that would require self control. Clearly mtg sales are driven by addicts.
@@refroggy How's it good when the product becomes worthless both in resale value and because people stopped playing...
@@refroggy its only good for hasbro.... stores and players get so burn out from this and I bet 75% of tcg stores die just because of this year mass fuck printing.
@@patsk8872 why would people stop playing? If MTG becomes a living card game it'll be fine. Don't let people with huge positions in cardboard ruin your good time.
Rudy gonna be stuck with all the inventory no one will buy when the market crashes.
I maintain he can wait until the next panic lockdown for people to go crazy for toilet paper, recycle his cardboard into that, sell TP at a premium, boom profit.
Fire wood
@@realandimaginedxyz Portal 3 Kingdoms could be the new Demo Man 3 seashells.
Tried hiking and backpacking in your city? Ik it's cold, but shorts with jeans and a hooded sweatshirt with a coat really make winter hiking possible....
Holy shit am I about to be able to plat with duel lands? HOPEFULLY!!
Im all down for the reserve list being expanded towards art/special frames, but we should always allow new versions of old cards to be reprinted so that they can continue to be used as game pieces without costing 1000s to obtain
Yea I'd love to play Legacy, but I dont have 4-10k for a set of lands or two.
Honestly this compromise aligns with what I want.
I told you it would happen, they will reprint them as tournament legal cards. Hasbro won't leave that money on the table, Alpha and Beta cards have value due to there rarity due to low print run and large attrition due to high level of use early in there life cycle. Anything after that is up in the air. Also aloof the reserve list is just valueless trash filler of slightly above bulk value.
4 horseman too i think
As Soon as I heard Rudy talk about Hasbro bought out WOTC and owns them I knew the reserve list was doomed. There is no legal claim to tell a company you can't use your own IP because of some verbal non written agreement with consumers. That's not how it works.
@@davidm.corbin4643 Yep, I love when people say "we'll sue". All that tells me is those people have exactly zero understanding of the legal system. The only reason the reserve list still exists is because they say it does. It can end, today, with no notice and no repercussions. They can reprint ANYTHING they want at any time, period. The ONLY barrier to this might be licensing agreements on the art, which those deals, to my knowledge, are not public knowledge.
@@mietha37 couldn't agree more. It's always the people who have no legal understanding that preach nonsense form a pulpit. I'm not an investor in magic I play for fun and with proxies. But Rudy has great economic discussions
*their
And I was thinking keeping all my draft boxes was a mistake, .......whew.
The revised dual lands have cooled some, but I agree not dramatically. I unloaded a Bayou when it was a hundred or more higher. I feel like these old sets will have a build in scarcity factor that keeps their values up. That's why I'm slowly grabbing up lower alpha printings
Hey, just wondering your thoughts on the effect on the market you'd have if you decided to sell any one set of mtg you have and also if you sold all of your mtg products.
Always appreciate the great content and hope for the best for you in the new year friend 🤙
Expand is my motto Boomstick
The market ran out of greater fools.
Awesome channel Rudy. Been a fan of the channel long time. Love the game of magic an I've been playing for about 14-15 years now. Work hard, play hard moderns been my choice of battle for a longtime being that I can never really afford cards from magics past "wish I would have start playing in the 90s lol" wizards making even just some of those cards available again would make it easier for us "newer" players to get ahold of them. Totally with ya on this.
Plus....im pretty sure reprinted reserved land's..they might look better in the new style~ who knows.
The way things is...most those reserved cards are not even getting played...they get collected and prisoned in plastic at an unreasonable demanding prices.
Making like 90% of those cards impossible to find unless you watch rudy'z channel. Great investment :)
From a players outlook.
Vintage/Legacy is holding up because of commander. A game style not even made by the creators. Game style made by fans.
cheers! Keep on collecting
We all need better lands in play!!!
I can't wait for the new collection set buy videos. I love hearing everyone's story and the history of cards.
Ive been playing since 98. My opinion, which is sure to get attacked here, is abolish the list and free up the game. Because it is a game, not an investment vehicle. People like you have had success making it one but its not at all the original intention. Demanding wizards hold cards hostage under threat of class action law suits just to keep prices up is what keeps newer players from getting to enjoy older cards. It makes eternal formats unapproachable and incentivises wizards to pull crap like the 30th anniversary. Expanding the list only benefits a mindset driven by insane over investment and greed. I would prefer my collection be worth less if it meant cards were more available and more people could experience the history of magic.
Rudy misses the biggest issue which is this newer younger generation of mtg players. This new younger generation simply doesn’t value the RL like all these old boomers hoarding all the Alpha/Beta do. They don’t give a shit about your psa 10 alpha beta lotus fotus, nor will they pay the absurd $ for it. Either sell soon or watch the value of your RL cards erode year over year from here on out.
Magic will go the way of baseball cards, but these Gen X guys and Boomers can't figure that out. Even older Millenials started playing Magic around the Tempest block, not Alpha. The older cards don't hold the same nostalgia for them. Gen Z players didn't start until way later to the point where the earliest sets mine as well not even exist. They will never get into Vintage and don't care to, not that they will ever have the money for it either. I honestly find it pretty funny that these guys are hoarding all these old cards and thinking their value will never go down. There's no value if there's no buyer.
I think there are a lot of variables that come into play. [I believe that] Sealed product becomes valuable because of nostalgia; if the sense of feeling at the moment is that Hasbro/WOTC is toxic and everyone has came down off of the high that was 2020 and 2021 and walking away from MTG who is there to create the nostalgia for the sets. I would love to buy sealed, Ice Age, 4th edition, Alliances, fallen empires, Homelands, Mirage, Tempest and Visions and relive those sets again. I know if I brought sealed boxes of them that I would not be able to keep them sealed because of my attachment to the cards. I would love a digital game so that my friends and I could experience them over and over and play Shandalar every 3 to 5 years just to experience that awesomeness again.
iirc, the retro frame cards are actually closer to the original meaning of retro - retro simply meaning old is more of a recent phenomenon.
Anything is possible. Especially when it comes to price manipulation.
Rudy won't answer this, but curious to hear from anyone else: What is the endgame for someone like Rudy? He's still buying out other investors collections. What happens in the next 30-50 years? Does he start slowly selling his collection at one point? Who would be interested in buying him out, and for which reason?
Didn't he say he would open a high end gallery/display where he would put his collection. I remember him saying something like that and charging top dollar to enter and see the collection.
@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS I think he said he scrapped that idea.
He could be a regular seller this ENTIRE time and you’d have no idea. I have a hard time believing he just buys collection after collection for the hell of it. There is no investor to buy him out, the volume that he owns is probably completely illiquid, so my guess is he actual sells his positions and these videos create artificial demand for his position. Lesson #1 in this world: everyone on the internet is a liar, trust no one
Big companies love talking about things like "optics". A lot of us still love Magic, but we need to stand united in not buying anything. Not even in the secondary market. We need the optics to remain in "Magic is not cool." for the next 5 years or so until they give up on Magic and it gets a reboot, hopefully from a completely new company.
hei Rudi. I haven't been here in a while. Just passed by to tell that I'm still buying and holding to my collection. Just got three classics from Antiquities this week (Gaea's Avenger, Golgothian Silex, Urza's Miter). Still missing Blood Moon to finish The Dark, but I will get it, sooner or later. Started this journey a little bit before Covid. And it's been a pleasure to collect all this. By now I have complete sets of Fallen Empires, Ice Age, Alliances, Homelands, Mirage, Visions, Weatherlight, Prophecy, Unglued, Chronicles, Portal, Portal Second Age and Starter 1999. Still slowly trying get more cards from Legends and english Portal 3K. Best Regards and thank you for the inspiration.
People hanging onto old sealed product: how often does, let's say, a sealed box of Mirage or Tempest sells?
How long, how long will I slide?
Separate my side, I don't
I don't believe it's bad
Slit my throat it's all I ever
I heard your voice through a photograph
I thought it up and brought up the past
Once you know you can never go back
I gotta take it on the other side
Centuries are what it meant to me
A cemetery where I marry the sea
Stranger things could never change my mind
I gotta take it on the other side
Take it on the other side
Take it on, take it on
How long, how long will I slide?
Separate my side, I don't
I don't believe it's bad
Slit my throat it's all I ever
Pour my life into a paper cup
The ashtray's full and I'm spillin' my guts
She wants to know, am I still a slut?
I've got to take it on the other side
A scarlet starlet and she's in my bed
A candidate for a soul mate bled
Push the trigger and pull the thread
I gotta take it on the other side
Take it on the other side
Take it on
Take it on
How long, how long will I slide?
Separate my side, I don't
I don't believe it's bad
Slit my throat it's all I ever
Turn me on, take me for a hard ride
Burn me out, leave me on the other side
I yell and tell it that it's not my friend
I tear it down, I tear it down
And then it's born again
How long, how long will I slide?
Separate my side, I don't
I don't believe it's bad
Slit my throat it's all I ever
Even as (primarily) a player of the game, I'm starting to move toward acquiring RL pieces. Big trades, saving small bits working toward big ticket items - I definitely see it as something earned or held onto over time. I'm definitely in the camp that the RL could be amended but should *NOT* be abolished.
I like the idea of reserving specific arts and frames but I hate the inaccessibility of cards and mechanics. Game and players first, speculation after
I cashed out most of my ABU in 2016 and why I did not get out at the peak. I was just happy to pay of my Los Angeles property. The last time I played magic was the 25th anaverseey I remade a flash hulk deck. With 25 cards and some of my old collection and had a blast playing. The fact that there was no 30th set for me to buy and come back to was sad. I made a lot of money off magic. Maybe not Rudy money but I made some good adult money from a child investment. How ever I still think this game is a game and not an investment opportunity. I have been buying vintage cards when I see some crazy deals. But I'm not buying to invest. Just trying to rebuild my old vintage decks
The nostalgia only perpetuates if the product moves forward. Graded comics spike when new Marvel movies hit, but even without them the IPs like Spidey are too widely loved to fall away. People who don't play MTG don't have those vibes, so if Hasbro screws the player base, bankrupts and undercuts the LGS system....where and how are new players coming in? Who are the new guys who see a blinged out deck or an older collection and then start to dream of filling their own binders?
I usually agree with Rudy, but these days I get a sense from him that his history of being on wallstreet, where people can rightfully ask "when is the next bull market?" (because there will be one as long as the economy moves forward....and if it doesn't then we have bigger problems). But when he asked that question in this vid it occurred to me that there doesn't have to be a "next" for this game, and perhaps his background in trading/investing is coloring his view...preventing him from seeing that without a game being played, the game pieces just aren't going to have eyes on them, and only the old farts like me will still open up the stash to stare at my beloved Cyclopean Tombs. And once enough guys, like I have recently, decide that they have enough cards to play the game forever without new purchases, where does the mature capital come from? How narrow can the field become before it affects volume?
I will still play commander with my friends, but after playing for 28 years I've never seen it like this. Everyone I know is walking away from the product in favor of other things, and as an investor in said product, that's pretty damn scary. Especially after the year we just had and the words down the hill from the guys/gals driving the bus.
Just like with whiskey.
You can't cheat time, you can't fast-forward it either.
There is no mistaking age of a product.
There's a lot of moving parts. Some people don't want to associate their money with a company like Hasbro or WOTC anymore. Some people are starting to age out and younger people are going to have less attachment to ABU. Some people who are happy to buy ABU don't trust the investment because Hasbro might just start reprinting stuff at this point - they always could have, but it seems ever more likely now. Then you have the "softish landing" of the economy which could churn sideways for another 12-24 months. There's just a lot of negativity in general and MTG has even more headwinds imo because of WOTC and the start of ABU players aging out.
Do I think Hasbro can tank Magic to zero? No, but they could very much cause a 20-50% crash of RL cards if they started doing full set reprints. The prices of stuff like Power 9 are likely to be affected the least, but nearly everything else would likely suffer.
Sorry for the long post. I absolutely love MTG but it doesn't shock me that people are being very bearish right now.
Hi Rudy, I just got some more NM RL today and wanted to brag about it:
4 Bubble Matrix, 1 Deranged Hermit, 5 Faerie Noble, and 1 Time Spiral
Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, I believe that when everything went to the moon it revealed the True price of the cards at that moment.
There is a True price for most magic cards and they are higher than most think, but since most think they arent worth anything they drag down the true price.
Lmaoooo. I cant believe people went hard on ice age RL cards or worse. I felt major risk buying legends RL cards. Even boughtt some italian legends and thats as low tier as I would go.
Good stuff. Got thinking on the future. It’s going to be great. I’ve always pick and choose lightly on what to purchase/invest or to play enjoy. I love commander.
I remember back when I had the entire reserve list in my deck (late 1990s). Plus Chaos Orbs. And Shaharazad! Good times!
print and reprint and then print again papa hasbro. i support you 100%
I just couldn't keep up with the number of sets and treatments. I just threw my hands up and stopped buying anything and everything MTG.
Hasbros long term goal, I have a feeling, is to control the secondary market. By staying the course, they believe that people will buy all the boxes and buy the secret lairs…not. and I agree with Rudy, people will end up buying singles. The irony of it all is that most prices of the cards are dictated by the formats, the competitions that WOTC sponsored before. By killing the LGS, it will dampen the interest,
Fully agree with everything you've said, I'll always love magic but stopped buying years ago, It's probably seven years since I stopped buying and it's the first ten years I'll always love. I'm glad I didn't buy but even I nearly fell for 30th anniversary edition. I'm not rich by any means but I was going to blow $1000+ on having a pack and keeping it sealed. I'm glad I didn't buy though. That's not what I'm interested in.
I dont buy seal product. I only buy single cards. Last time I bought sealed product was Lorwyn era.
Great video.
I only have a few reserved list cards, the ante cards.
I'm so happy I bought them two years ago, they're the coolest cards ever imo, and 30th whiffing on them puts them in another category.
Still need some duals, definitely good timing, tho times are scary.
Appreciate you being one of us for a few weeks. Now back to taco benders, step sisters and failing to repair the wash/drier.
I just looked up toilet water in spanish !
Start calling him mark “AGUA DE BAÑO” 🤣
That translates to bath water. You want " Agua de tasa or chorro " the colloquial versions. Chorro means gush or stream, but we say it to mean diarrhea or watery shit stream
@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS lmfao 🤣 hahahhahaha that’s so funny 😂 thanks bro
"Retro, Rutrooo" - Scooby Rudy
Automate your investments into low-fee index funds. Buy up to $10,000 of 7% yielding I-bonds per year. If you don't know which fund to use, try a Vanguard Target Date fund or Fidelity Freedom *Index* target date fund of the year you plan to retire. Never sell anything until you retire. Talk to a damn financial advisor, they're 800000% worth it. Listen to Rudy when it comes to magic, and listen to your FA. They're underpaid gods, IMO. Changed my life.
Rudy - I started watching you in 2020, I got into MTG because my son developed an interest and my inner nerd totally loved it. Being my son's financial investor (lol) and learning to navigate the product, my initial views of your channel totally confirmed my growing understanding that the "sealed product" really gains value as time goes on. I am not buying pallets or anything of that scope, but for every box we open I buy one for "the shelf" and for myself, as a life long collector and dealer in collectibles, my intention is holding long term. I look forward to all of your videos, and all I can add as a comment to this current theme of "no one is buying/ investing" is that I absolutely continue to expand my investment in MTG in singles, boxes, etc. Because I love it and I know, aside from the turbulence of the day to day, the cardboard is as good as Gold. Maybe better. Also, the Reserved List ought to be expanded every January 1st.
What a time to TRY and learn how to play. I started in November (LATE November). And guess what? I actually DO know what you are talking about. For the most part (maybe not individual card names, but I do know the sets).
It is possible to poison memories. Player's unhappiness with modern magic can change how they feel about their older cards.
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Rudy, wake me up when we get the retro cardboard so my foils are flat cards and my pack to pack cards feel comparable to other games.
Do you store lesser wanted boxes in the bathroom
I think that the best thing would be removing RL completely and add a new RL for particular card art/frames/etc. Everyone would get access to all cards in order to play and at the same time they could hold something valuable with particular versions.