Considering I'm Irish, I might as well clear up some confusion for the lads. Ireland has 32 counties that make up the entire Island: 26 of them are independent from the United Kingdom. The other 6 make up Northern Ireland which is still under British rule. This was because back during the war of independence (As shown in the film), Britain and Ireland agreed to a treaty (Anglo-Irish treaty) where Ireland would be a self-governing dominion in the British empire, but have its own army and police (Similar to what happened to Canada and Australia). The pro-treaty side agreed to this since it was a good enough compromise, and how Northern Ireland had a majority protestant unionist population that didn't want to leave. This didn't sit with well with those who wanted to fully leave, forming the anti-treaty side and fighting the pro-treaty side. This sparked the Irish Civil War, which lasted for less than a year and resulted in the pro-treaty side winning. It wasn't until 1948 that Dáil Éireann (Ireland's parliament), which had political parties having both pro and anti-treaty veterans, voted to become a fully independent republic, thus severing all British control from those 26 counties. There was still conflict that happened on the island (Namely the conflict in Northern Ireland called "The Troubles"), but for the most part, things are at peace. Onto the film itself, I don't know how The Wind That Shakes The Barley was perceived across the globe (Apart from winning the Palme d'Or), but it was a pretty big deal when it came out over here in Ireland. I remember it sparking a lot of discussion and debate about the outcome of the Irish Civil War, how the Anglo-Irish Treaty led to prosperity in 26 counties, but conflict and terror for the 6 northern ones. I'd say a large part of why it resonated with the public was that it was one of the few non-Irish productions (An international one with Britain ironically having a pole in the fire) that felt like it did its homework on the brutality of British imperialism. Sure, there was the biopic Michael Collins, and maybe those films about The Troubles, but you could tell Loach had an appreciation for this part of history, bringing up the social and political aspects that caused fellow countrymen to turn against each other (Nice touch incorporating the whole Socialism vs Conservatism debate seeing how it was common across Europe). That said, the film was expectedly met with flack over in the UK, with Conservative MPs (Like Michael Gove) dubbing it _"the IRA's entry into Cannes"_ (At least according to Loach). Hell, some reviewers just used their pieces to not critique the film, but attack Ken Loach for daring to bring up this part of history they'd rather not acknowledge. One of the more infamous debates was between Unionist historian, Ruth Dudley Edwards, and Irish historian, Tim Patrick Coogan. She wrote up a review for the Daily Mail that didn't even critique the film, just being a hit piece on Loach. When Tim Patrick asked her if she had seen the film, she said no (He also didn't, but he was there to act as a counter to a lot of her more "outlandish statements"). It's been speculated that this sentiment was felt across the pond. In an essay titled "The British Aren't Coming", Mark Kermode theorised that the Academy overlooked the film since they have a preference for pictures about British royalty. That same year, The Queen was up for 6 Oscars (Including Best Picture). 4 years later, The King's Speech won Best Picture. Whether it's true or not, what is clear was that the US distributors of The Wind That Shakes The Barley released the film on March 18th 2007; nearly a month after the "for your consideration campaign" would occur. However, this didn't bother the team behind TWTSTB in the slightest, with producer Rebecca O'Brien saying: _"We won the only film award that matters (The Palme d'Or)."_
Wow i really don't know my history, I thought the pro-treaty guys lost and that's why they were seperate from the rest of the commonwealth. Never knew Ireland was ever a dominion.
There was a 4 year old girl at my showing of Poor Things. I kept hoping that 2 minutes in the mom would say "This isn't Migration!" and then leave, but it just didn't happen. She stayed for the whole movie. I'm so sorry for her. I just don't know anymore.
@@theblackswordsman9951Ain’t that the fucking truth. When I saw Poor Things at my local arthouse theater, there were two middle-aged women sitting right behind me, almost certainly wasted, who would not shut the fuck up for almost the entire fucking movie. One of them fell asleep at one point and snored so loudly the entire theater could hear them. I just wonder how somebody gets like that.
By the way, Willem Dafoe’s bubbles in Poor Things are explained in a brief line in around the first 30 minutes of the movie. He says it’s a result of his dad taking out some part of his digestive system, so he has to do it as a basic bodily function.
He says he has to produce his own digestive fluids like stomach acid i believe and thats why hes hooked up to all that machinery, i think thats what he explains, not the weird bubble thing. Its implied its a result of that and a basic bodily function to him but i definitely dont consider that an explanation.
It's interesting how they both missed that, no offense to them but they always seem to notice things that I don't and yet they missed something that was directly stated.
@@firstlast9846why? I don’t see why you’d say they’re pretentious especially since he doesn’t make pretentious films at all, in fact he makes the opposite which is why he’s so popular
i think i got pretty lucky with the audience i got for Poor Things. the humor seemed to click for everyone in the theater and when Mark Ruffalo showed up in that “marriage” scene i heard someone go “oh not this guy again” 😭😭
First viewing of this film was on my 30th birthday where I invited a few friends and everyone was thoroughly entertained. Second viewing everyone in the audience were also thoroughly entertained. Glad lots of people are enjoying this movie.
The 'soldiers' at the beginning of _The Wind that Shakes the Barley_ are actually cops. They're RIC constables who were recruited to fight the Irish rebels, nicknamed the "Blacks and Tans" because they wore a mixture of army and police garb. Most of them were unemployed WW1 vets who were traumatized and had failed to readjust to life during peacetime. Signing up for the RIC was a way for them to ply the 'skills' they'd learned on the Somme. They were horribly ill-disciplined and gained a reputation for brutality towards civilians. The B&T's behavior foreshadowed the fascist violence that would engulf Europe in the coming decades. There are parallels between them and far-right paramilitaries like the _Freikorps,_ or Mussolini's _squadristi,_ or the Second Ku Klux Klan. The capital-owning class used these guys as henchmen to violently suppress threats to the established order, with some of their common victims being socialists, union organizers, ethnic/religious minorities, supporters of national liberation movements, etc.
To me, Zack Snyder is very much in the same vein as Michael Bay except he's much less honest about what he is. Say what you want about Mr. Bay but at least he's honest enough to be like: "Yeah I make movies for teens, whatever. Fuck you".
Michael Bay makes movies for teens. Zach Snyder makes movies for those teens that are really into podcasts, and adults with similar emotional maturity.
Have the Sards seen Seven Samurai? I only ask because Alex compared Rebel Moon to A Bug's Life, though I've seen most other reviewers link it to Seven Samurai, which inspired The Magnificent Seven, which inspired The Three Amigos, which (probably) in turn inspired A Bug's Life. The SSCU is a good one.
It's very obviously the story of Seven Samurai. Comparing them makes explains some of the weird choices, even though they still don't make any sense. Replacing "a group of bandits" with "evil galactic empire" but then keep the farmers who get their food stolen?
Answering Alex's question about audience reaction to Poor Things: I live in Australia, and I watched the movie at the earliest date possible in Perth because I was looking forward to it. I imagine most people watching it at the same time as me are more into movies than the general audience and it seemed to be recieved well. Lots of laughing and I may or may not have overheard conversations while exiting the theatre that seemed positive whilst commenting on the wierdness of the movie.
My poor things theatre experience was awesome- tons of people reacting, I even made eye contact with a complete stranger during one of the slapstick parts, when mark ruffalo bangs his head on the bar counter all sped up looking. Dying to see this one again
I saw Poor Things at Telluride (which also had a Q&A with Yorgos) and the loudest reaction I heard during the whole festival was the “I must go punch that baby” line. Everyone cheered. My whole audience was laughing and I remember laughing so hard one time that I missed dialogue. The movie definitely resonates with the right audience.
I know another Irishman in the comments had a lot of v informative things to say, but I just thought I'd add one or two important tid bits. There is no such country called "Southern Ireland". The island of Ireland is split between two countries, one is Republic of Ireland (or most commonly referred to as simply Ireland), and Northern Ireland. V confusingly, Northern Ireland doesnt even necessarily cover all of the north of Ireland. It was made with its 6 counties just so that there'd always be a protestant majority in the country, which meant in turn there'd always be a loyalist (those who wish to remain in the UK) majority. This also meant they could pass any law they wanted that restricted the catholic/nationalist minority in any way imaginable. For the longest time, you had to have land in order to vote, and catholics weren't allowed to acquire land, thus they'd no vote. This, amongst with countless other social inequalities, led to the conflict known as The Troubles (previously mentioned in the other comment left below).
I totally understand the way ya'll feel on your Poor Things discussion. Trainspotting is my favorite movie and when I got my sister to watch it with me her first time she asked if I needed to talk to someone. Then it made more sense why she wasn't laughing at all and I was having a great time.
I have been a fan of Jerskin Fendrix since even before he announced his work on Poor Things and hearing Adam compliment his score is genuinely such an absurd experience. amazing film, amazing soundtrack, amazing podcast episode
Re: shitty cinematography in REBEL MOON: The image is probably not "not in focus". Snyder used rehoused vintage lenses on Rebel Moon, and old lenses (especially wide angle ones) a prone to low contrast and low resolution (plus other defects and artefacts like coma, longitudinal or lateral chromatic abberations) ESPECIALLY when shot with a wide-open aperture - which he does OFTEN. Combined with high-contrast scenes this can get you some pretty shitty looking images, even when shooting a film on a frickin' 8K RED V-RAPTOR! :-|
I really appreciate that Alex doesn’t try to talk over marginalised group’s experiences and try to inform it with his understanding of the conflicts, and he knows that he comes from a background where he wouldn’t be informed considering how limited the British education system is around irish history. A lot of scholars or just people in general, tend to have a mindset that they have an understanding of someone else’s experience
It’s a shame about Alex’s cinema experience. I saw Poor Things at one of the Everyman cinemas (nice one with the sofas) and all the audience was laughing along, everyone seemed to enjoy it. Definitely makes it a good cinema experience when the rest of the audience seems to be on the same wavelength.
To me the title refers to all the messed up creations of godwin. Including both women and gis strange creatures, but also the messed up creation of the Christian god mentioned in by god in the beginning of the film, the poor the rich, the cruel, the unjust.
My dad doesn't know who Snyder is, but he liked Rebel Moon. There is a crowd that just likes any kind of sci-fi that has a budget, plus the Snyder-heads and Snyder-curious, so I'm not too surprised to hear that it is doing well.
Recommendation: Kenneth Branagh's Shakespeare movies like Henry V, Much Ado About Nothing, Hamlet. I think Branagh's Shakespeare movies, especially the earlier ones, have so much energy and a lot of great actors.
I feel the same way about Holy Motors. I also feel the same way about Synecdoche, New York and movies like it that can feel uplifting because they make you feel seen.
Involving Poor Things that I’d like to share that I personally pick up from its lovely style is that it not only gave me hints of Terry Gilliam and mainly from Doctor Paranassus but it also reminded me a lot of the click and point cartoonish gothic horror game Fran Bow in terms of the color palette and the uniquely weird child like cartoonishly dark and manic feel to it, if a Fran bow movie was thought to be made I’d be happily want Yorgos to direct it after poor things
Brilliant pick on The Wind that Shakes the Barley. Aside from the historical and geopolitical background, the political philosophy of Ken Loach is also prominently displayed in this work. The characters played by Cillian Murphy and Delaney symbolically dissect some of the inherent differences between the global left-wing movements and nationalism/separatism during that time. As the "old order" constructed by colonialism and imperialism was crumbling after World War I, these two forces not only experienced ideological disintegration in Ireland but also in other countries. Ken Loach, in this film, skillfully deconstructs the agendas of these two forces in resisting imperialism through two execution scenes. In this context the scope of the film is not just about Irish history, it is also a crucial supplement to that political history even in a global context. Some sharp perspectives have been evoked, such as questioning whether there is an implication of "He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself" in the lore of Delaney's character.
The theatre I went to really loved Poor Things. Everyone was laughing. But it was a very late crowd, 9:15pm start. But I'm surprised at how many people sharing this story of being the only one to laugh at the movie, I'm glad I saw it with a crowd that had fun.
On the Zack Snyder owl movie: Not only did Guardians of Ga'Hoole feature an Owl City song, they had him make an original song for it (I only remember this because I was a fan of Owl City at the time, had 0 interest in the movie and didn't watch it.) Hearing Adam describe the movie, it's even more bizarre that it didn't fit the tone at all because it wasn't just grabbing a licensed song, they paid for him to make a brand new one and apparently told him nothing about the movie lol
No offense to the boys I love them both but I think when doing a historic movie such as TWTSTB, it’s kinda the bare minimum to do even surface level research when covering topics about a countries entire history. They treated “Incendies” with respect I don’t know why they couldn’t do the same here
Feel the same way. There's not wanting to speak for another people, and then there's not even knowing that Ireland is an independent nation after viewing and while attempting to discuss The Wind that Shakes the Barley. Kind of embarrassing.
I saw Poor Things in a theater of all olds, and they were all so down it added a lot to the experience honestly😂 I was blown away by the movie though holy shit
I just went to a normal showing at my local cinema, and I live in the UK, and they were rip roaring laughing at Poor Things continually, even though most of the time it was, like, a painful, wincing, uncomfortable kind of laughter like "I shouldn't be laughing at this because it is so shocking and extreme but it's so outlandish, absurd and hilarious that I have zero choice but to laugh at it," like when Emma Stone was stabbing the corpse's eyes with a knife or when she was playing with the corpse's penis. Extreme comedy is an accurate way to describe Poor Things...
@@luiginastro8831 that it was fun and she respected Tom Cruise. They were scrapping the bottom of 5 wine barrels at her Q and A to fill time. Nothing against her of course but that's kinda a bad sign.
It is absolutely insane to me how Alex has no clue that Ireland is not a part of his country. Its like hearing an American wondering if Mexico is part of the USA
My parents honestly let me watch and play anything South Park, horror movies, etc but they were extremely strict about everything else like how far I could walk alone
And there was nothing we could do about it. IHE and YMS were made channels and Ralph wasn't. And we had to sit there and take it. It was among the Sardonicast. Real movie critic s#!+.
Poor Things was one of the best crowd experiences I've had last year. Even my theater mostly filled with middle-aged boomers was totally down for how weird and horny that movie got. They were having a blast.
just saw Poor Things, matine earlier today. went alone, there were a few people in the theater, but we were laughing here and there but there were also moments where you could hear a pin drop in the theater. the score was so good!!!!!
There's a scene where the antagonist lines up all the characters, says their names and vague backstories out loud, and all I could remember after that was the word 'Titus'.
2:13:51 Yes! It's so weird but I don't think I've ever felt more stressed watching a movie than Nocturnal Animals and I've been putting off seeing it again since...
Snyder keeps getting work like this because he's friends with people like Christopher Nolan, who keep using their weight to get him jobs (literally how he got Man of Steel)
Saltburn is WAAAY better than Promising Young Woman. I wasn't digging it at first and was all like "maybe this director is not for me" but the movie eventually got me hooked. its predictable but fun.
I went to see Poor Things with a friend in the theatre and we were literally the only people in the screening. Granted, it was a Wednesday at 3 pm so most people would be at work or university or whatever so I don't really know how popular or well known the movie is where I am. We both had a great time watching it though
Whenever someone says "studios should give 100% control to Directors" I immediately think of Zack Snyder and his dumb POS movies where he had full control
For that last question, Cyberpunk Edgerunners is my pick. Makes me feel absolutely hollow inside. [spoilers] It starts out with a tragedy, then tricks you with a few bright and fun episodes, and then everything goes to hell.
I kinda hate to say this cuz I feel dumb even tho I enjoyed it but I think I got more out of Adam's explanation than if I would have only seen the movie. I didn't think about any of those things in the moment.
My parents rarely banned me from watching/playing something. They just called everything I liked stupid - that’s much better and totally didn’t f’ed me up.
Didn’t love Poor Things quite as much as you guys but it was still fantastic. That CGI boat looked like some Star Wars prequel bullshit though, I'm sorry. You guys are usually waaaay more critical than me but it stuck out like a sore thumb. It took me right out of the movie every time we saw an establishing shot.
I would seriously watch the Star Wars Sequels instead of finishing Rebel Moon (saw spoiler reviews to see how it ends), even Rise of Skywalker, at least it has some life and passable filmmaking even though its a gigantic hot mess. Still waiting for Snyder to make even a 300-level film again, but he keeps making worse and worse flicks. Somebody please pair him up with a good screenwriter or someone to bounce off with I went to see Poor Things with my mom actually lmfao I had a pleasant theater experience, no kids, everyone was just quiet and chuckled when a funny scene happened. Im sorry Alex wasnt as lucky
Rebel Moon was a series of scenes that Snyder thought would look cool, but barely connected. Just a series of long receuitment scenes of this team they are building, but then there is no payoff showing the team's skills off. Its like if Ocean's 11 team recruitment montage took 1.5 hours but instead of a climactic heist that showed off each member's specialty it just ended in a gun battle in the casino lobby because the team fucked up right off the bat.
"Rebel Moon was a series of scenes that Snyder thought would look cool, but barely connected." You could easily say the same thing about his Justice League. It just felt like a mishmash of setpieces Snyder wanted in a movie: superhero fights, villain monologues, the world ending, LOTR style battles and so on. Like a 5-year old with a box of random action figures and smashing them together.
Poor Things, EASIEST 10/10 for me next to EEAAO this decade. Agreed with Adum that the film sticks WELL in your mind days after, especially the score. Also the first film in 5 years I willingly drove long ways to see it TWICE. Also, Emma Stone mentioned in Actors On Actors that she and Yorgos planned "5 Stages" for Bella in terms of filming scenes during production to keep consistency in chronology. After 2 viewings, it's STILL difficult to tell where Bella's transitions between stages are apparent. It felt seamless. The most impressive feat of acting I've seen in recent cinema. A 2nd Oscar for Stone would be COMPLETELY deserved. PLEASE Oscars, be based and award back-to-back Best Pictures to deserving, bizarre, maximalist masterpieces
YMS: “Im very happy I didn’t see this with my mom” When I went to see it, the theater was full and a couple of them were families… with their children. Some of them probably 12 years old or something. I don’t know, I was just surprised. Also, by the end, most of the reactions were positive but the group of people behind me hated it.
*I HATE* the “It’s for adults” crowd.. I once saw Zack Snyder’s fan base were discussing what franchise he could hop to after DC and they suggested “A dark and gritty TMNT” 🤦🏽♂️ like why??
I had the same problem in the cinema for poor things. It was just dead silent the whole time me and my friend were the only ones laughing. England has some weird crowds
My criticism of Poor Things is mostly about Bella's arc. I feel I would like her character more if we could see more of her emotionally maturing and not always being impulsive...it doesn't feel like she learnt that much. Also, I think that trying to humanize her (scene in Alexandria, or when Swiney tries to manipulate her with the baby) felt a bit shoehorned. As much as we know about her, why would she get so emotional about some babies or other people's suffering in general? I wish that the empathetic part of her personality was explored/developed more.
@@aeroslythe6881 Not really, if you ever observed little children (not in the wrong way XD, they actually often lack empathy and morals, which they need to develop. I.e. if someone hits them, they know it hurts other people too. I was expecting something like that to happen with Bella, but I just don't think that part was written well.
To be fair to Bioshock: Infinite, it does seem literally influenced by the game's aesthetics. As a greek I'm well aware of the "color palette" of lanthimos from his first films and this isn't something he always did that way.
The fact that you decided to talk about The Wind that Shakes the Barley and you didn’t even know that Northern Ireland and “Southern” Ireland are politically distinct was so embarrassing to listen to. And one of you is British. Wtf.
Even more ironic was all the fear I remember growing up about kids believing everything on the internet then that's exactly what happened to the boomers
Rest in peace, Ralph. It’s a shame he died in the shootout with Zack Snyder
Where is Ralph?
Wanted to focus on his channel
This will never get old
Only real ogs remember this
Should have!
Considering I'm Irish, I might as well clear up some confusion for the lads. Ireland has 32 counties that make up the entire Island: 26 of them are independent from the United Kingdom. The other 6 make up Northern Ireland which is still under British rule.
This was because back during the war of independence (As shown in the film), Britain and Ireland agreed to a treaty (Anglo-Irish treaty) where Ireland would be a self-governing dominion in the British empire, but have its own army and police (Similar to what happened to Canada and Australia). The pro-treaty side agreed to this since it was a good enough compromise, and how Northern Ireland had a majority protestant unionist population that didn't want to leave. This didn't sit with well with those who wanted to fully leave, forming the anti-treaty side and fighting the pro-treaty side. This sparked the Irish Civil War, which lasted for less than a year and resulted in the pro-treaty side winning.
It wasn't until 1948 that Dáil Éireann (Ireland's parliament), which had political parties having both pro and anti-treaty veterans, voted to become a fully independent republic, thus severing all British control from those 26 counties. There was still conflict that happened on the island (Namely the conflict in Northern Ireland called "The Troubles"), but for the most part, things are at peace.
Onto the film itself, I don't know how The Wind That Shakes The Barley was perceived across the globe (Apart from winning the Palme d'Or), but it was a pretty big deal when it came out over here in Ireland. I remember it sparking a lot of discussion and debate about the outcome of the Irish Civil War, how the Anglo-Irish Treaty led to prosperity in 26 counties, but conflict and terror for the 6 northern ones. I'd say a large part of why it resonated with the public was that it was one of the few non-Irish productions (An international one with Britain ironically having a pole in the fire) that felt like it did its homework on the brutality of British imperialism.
Sure, there was the biopic Michael Collins, and maybe those films about The Troubles, but you could tell Loach had an appreciation for this part of history, bringing up the social and political aspects that caused fellow countrymen to turn against each other (Nice touch incorporating the whole Socialism vs Conservatism debate seeing how it was common across Europe).
That said, the film was expectedly met with flack over in the UK, with Conservative MPs (Like Michael Gove) dubbing it _"the IRA's entry into Cannes"_ (At least according to Loach). Hell, some reviewers just used their pieces to not critique the film, but attack Ken Loach for daring to bring up this part of history they'd rather not acknowledge. One of the more infamous debates was between Unionist historian, Ruth Dudley Edwards, and Irish historian, Tim Patrick Coogan. She wrote up a review for the Daily Mail that didn't even critique the film, just being a hit piece on Loach. When Tim Patrick asked her if she had seen the film, she said no (He also didn't, but he was there to act as a counter to a lot of her more "outlandish statements").
It's been speculated that this sentiment was felt across the pond. In an essay titled "The British Aren't Coming", Mark Kermode theorised that the Academy overlooked the film since they have a preference for pictures about British royalty. That same year, The Queen was up for 6 Oscars (Including Best Picture). 4 years later, The King's Speech won Best Picture. Whether it's true or not, what is clear was that the US distributors of The Wind That Shakes The Barley released the film on March 18th 2007; nearly a month after the "for your consideration campaign" would occur. However, this didn't bother the team behind TWTSTB in the slightest, with producer Rebecca O'Brien saying: _"We won the only film award that matters (The Palme d'Or)."_
Amazing comment, so well written, informative and engaging.
k cool
Wow i really don't know my history, I thought the pro-treaty guys lost and that's why they were seperate from the rest of the commonwealth. Never knew Ireland was ever a dominion.
Tldr?
Great comment!
There was a 4 year old girl at my showing of Poor Things. I kept hoping that 2 minutes in the mom would say "This isn't Migration!" and then leave, but it just didn't happen. She stayed for the whole movie. I'm so sorry for her. I just don't know anymore.
A 4 year old staying quiet during a whole film that isn't for kids? Some adults could learn from her.
Well, that kids fucked for life noe
@@theblackswordsman9951Ain’t that the fucking truth. When I saw Poor Things at my local arthouse theater, there were two middle-aged women sitting right behind me, almost certainly wasted, who would not shut the fuck up for almost the entire fucking movie. One of them fell asleep at one point and snored so loudly the entire theater could hear them.
I just wonder how somebody gets like that.
By the way, Willem Dafoe’s bubbles in Poor Things are explained in a brief line in around the first 30 minutes of the movie. He says it’s a result of his dad taking out some part of his digestive system, so he has to do it as a basic bodily function.
He says he has to produce his own digestive fluids like stomach acid i believe and thats why hes hooked up to all that machinery, i think thats what he explains, not the weird bubble thing. Its implied its a result of that and a basic bodily function to him but i definitely dont consider that an explanation.
My friends believed he couldn’t fart, so it was like releasing the gas out of his mouth instead! Don’t know if that’s correct but idk maybe haha
@@WatskyIsTheMan hahaha! thats great! i have a feeling the book probably explains what hes doing
@@WatskyIsTheManThat’s exactly how I interpreted it as well.
It's interesting how they both missed that, no offense to them but they always seem to notice things that I don't and yet they missed something that was directly stated.
I can't believe alex went for a Bug's life comparison when Seven Samurai exists
He hasn't seen it sadly
Yeah, I figured most movie critics would at least be aware that Bugs Life was based off Seven Samurai
26:43 been saying that for years! Snyder makes movies for the “I’m 14 and this is deep” crowd.
Yep
Be careful, morons without taste (Snyder fans) are gonna get you for this
Everyone and their grandma has been saying that bruh
I feel the same about Nolan.. albeit Nolan is a great director. But his fan base is insufferably pretentious
@@firstlast9846why? I don’t see why you’d say they’re pretentious especially since he doesn’t make pretentious films at all, in fact he makes the opposite which is why he’s so popular
i think i got pretty lucky with the audience i got for Poor Things. the humor seemed to click for everyone in the theater and when Mark Ruffalo showed up in that “marriage” scene i heard someone go “oh not this guy again” 😭😭
First viewing of this film was on my 30th birthday where I invited a few friends and everyone was thoroughly entertained. Second viewing everyone in the audience were also thoroughly entertained. Glad lots of people are enjoying this movie.
That scene reminded me of that line from IT Crowd: "Victoooria! I thought youu were deaaad."
The 'soldiers' at the beginning of _The Wind that Shakes the Barley_ are actually cops. They're RIC constables who were recruited to fight the Irish rebels, nicknamed the "Blacks and Tans" because they wore a mixture of army and police garb. Most of them were unemployed WW1 vets who were traumatized and had failed to readjust to life during peacetime. Signing up for the RIC was a way for them to ply the 'skills' they'd learned on the Somme. They were horribly ill-disciplined and gained a reputation for brutality towards civilians.
The B&T's behavior foreshadowed the fascist violence that would engulf Europe in the coming decades. There are parallels between them and far-right paramilitaries like the _Freikorps,_ or Mussolini's _squadristi,_ or the Second Ku Klux Klan. The capital-owning class used these guys as henchmen to violently suppress threats to the established order, with some of their common victims being socialists, union organizers, ethnic/religious minorities, supporters of national liberation movements, etc.
To me, Zack Snyder is very much in the same vein as Michael Bay except he's much less honest about what he is. Say what you want about Mr. Bay but at least he's honest enough to be like: "Yeah I make movies for teens, whatever. Fuck you".
Michael Bay makes movies for teens.
Zach Snyder makes movies for those teens that are really into podcasts, and adults with similar emotional maturity.
Hmmm, I mean, he's not exactly that honest either. Is he?
Have the Sards seen Seven Samurai? I only ask because Alex compared Rebel Moon to A Bug's Life, though I've seen most other reviewers link it to Seven Samurai, which inspired The Magnificent Seven, which inspired The Three Amigos, which (probably) in turn inspired A Bug's Life.
The SSCU is a good one.
yeah A Bug's Life is as much inspired by Seven Samurai as The Magnificent Seven.
It's very obviously the story of Seven Samurai.
Comparing them makes explains some of the weird choices, even though they still don't make any sense.
Replacing "a group of bandits" with "evil galactic empire" but then keep the farmers who get their food stolen?
Alex hasn't seen it, but Adam has.
I saw Poor Things just now with my mom. We laughed out loud and so did the audience. There was a general positive vibe to it. Pleasantly surprised.
YMS: “I’m very happy I didn’t see this with my mom”
Me who saw this with my mom on Christmas Day: Yeah heheh…
I’m happy for you too
Literally the exact same thing happened to me
I watched it on a date, she said “I will never forgive you for making me watch that”
Answering Alex's question about audience reaction to Poor Things:
I live in Australia, and I watched the movie at the earliest date possible in Perth because I was looking forward to it. I imagine most people watching it at the same time as me are more into movies than the general audience and it seemed to be recieved well. Lots of laughing and I may or may not have overheard conversations while exiting the theatre that seemed positive whilst commenting on the wierdness of the movie.
My poor things theatre experience was awesome- tons of people reacting, I even made eye contact with a complete stranger during one of the slapstick parts, when mark ruffalo bangs his head on the bar counter all sped up looking. Dying to see this one again
I saw Poor Things at Telluride (which also had a Q&A with Yorgos) and the loudest reaction I heard during the whole festival was the “I must go punch that baby” line. Everyone cheered. My whole audience was laughing and I remember laughing so hard one time that I missed dialogue. The movie definitely resonates with the right audience.
I know another Irishman in the comments had a lot of v informative things to say, but I just thought I'd add one or two important tid bits.
There is no such country called "Southern Ireland". The island of Ireland is split between two countries, one is Republic of Ireland (or most commonly referred to as simply Ireland), and Northern Ireland.
V confusingly, Northern Ireland doesnt even necessarily cover all of the north of Ireland. It was made with its 6 counties just so that there'd always be a protestant majority in the country, which meant in turn there'd always be a loyalist (those who wish to remain in the UK) majority.
This also meant they could pass any law they wanted that restricted the catholic/nationalist minority in any way imaginable. For the longest time, you had to have land in order to vote, and catholics weren't allowed to acquire land, thus they'd no vote. This, amongst with countless other social inequalities, led to the conflict known as The Troubles (previously mentioned in the other comment left below).
In my cinema when watching Poor Things (UK), I was shocked to see it packed, and noticed a lot of laughs which I wasn't expecting.
My audience was the exact same (also UK) and I even heard people gushing about the cinematography on the way out
@@herbalcoast358 that's really encouraging
I totally understand the way ya'll feel on your Poor Things discussion. Trainspotting is my favorite movie and when I got my sister to watch it with me her first time she asked if I needed to talk to someone. Then it made more sense why she wasn't laughing at all and I was having a great time.
I have been a fan of Jerskin Fendrix since even before he announced his work on Poor Things and hearing Adam compliment his score is genuinely such an absurd experience. amazing film, amazing soundtrack, amazing podcast episode
Adam complaining about the fish eye lenses in “The Favourite” is my Roman empire
Re: shitty cinematography in REBEL MOON: The image is probably not "not in focus". Snyder used rehoused vintage lenses on Rebel Moon, and old lenses (especially wide angle ones) a prone to low contrast and low resolution (plus other defects and artefacts like coma, longitudinal or lateral chromatic abberations) ESPECIALLY when shot with a wide-open aperture - which he does OFTEN. Combined with high-contrast scenes this can get you some pretty shitty looking images, even when shooting a film on a frickin' 8K RED V-RAPTOR! :-|
Rebalph the moonvie maker
I really appreciate that Alex doesn’t try to talk over marginalised group’s experiences and try to inform it with his understanding of the conflicts, and he knows that he comes from a background where he wouldn’t be informed considering how limited the British education system is around irish history.
A lot of scholars or just people in general, tend to have a mindset that they have an understanding of someone else’s experience
I feel like a lot of people feel they have to posture themselves that way :(
I saw poor things last night and only one other person was in the theater. It was dead silent but, I can confirm it's amazing. The sound was great
It’s a shame about Alex’s cinema experience. I saw Poor Things at one of the Everyman cinemas (nice one with the sofas) and all the audience was laughing along, everyone seemed to enjoy it. Definitely makes it a good cinema experience when the rest of the audience seems to be on the same wavelength.
Finally saw poor things yesterday and it was incredible. Finally i can listen to this episode.
To me the title refers to all the messed up creations of godwin. Including both women and gis strange creatures, but also the messed up creation of the Christian god mentioned in by god in the beginning of the film, the poor the rich, the cruel, the unjust.
My theater was howling with laughter frequently throughout the film, it honestly shocked and pleasantly surprised me.
My dad doesn't know who Snyder is, but he liked Rebel Moon. There is a crowd that just likes any kind of sci-fi that has a budget, plus the Snyder-heads and Snyder-curious, so I'm not too surprised to hear that it is doing well.
basically as long as its a bunch of flashing lights for 2 hours and its on netflix, normies will eat it up
Nothing more exciting than hearing about the latest yearly embarrassment from sir Zachary Snyder
Recommendation: Kenneth Branagh's Shakespeare movies like Henry V, Much Ado About Nothing, Hamlet. I think Branagh's Shakespeare movies, especially the earlier ones, have so much energy and a lot of great actors.
The best part of Rebel Moon were the fleeting memories of far better franchises that the film was "referencing"
I feel the same way about Holy Motors. I also feel the same way about Synecdoche, New York and movies like it that can feel uplifting because they make you feel seen.
"Ugly ugly ugly!" - IHE
Involving Poor Things that I’d like to share that I personally pick up from its lovely style is that it not only gave me hints of Terry Gilliam and mainly from Doctor Paranassus but it also reminded me a lot of the click and point cartoonish gothic horror game Fran Bow in terms of the color palette and the uniquely weird child like cartoonishly dark and manic feel to it, if a Fran bow movie was thought to be made I’d be happily want Yorgos to direct it after poor things
Brilliant pick on The Wind that Shakes the Barley. Aside from the historical and geopolitical background, the political philosophy of Ken Loach is also prominently displayed in this work. The characters played by Cillian Murphy and Delaney symbolically dissect some of the inherent differences between the global left-wing movements and nationalism/separatism during that time. As the "old order" constructed by colonialism and imperialism was crumbling after World War I, these two forces not only experienced ideological disintegration in Ireland but also in other countries. Ken Loach, in this film, skillfully deconstructs the agendas of these two forces in resisting imperialism through two execution scenes. In this context the scope of the film is not just about Irish history, it is also a crucial supplement to that political history even in a global context. Some sharp perspectives have been evoked, such as questioning whether there is an implication of "He who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself" in the lore of Delaney's character.
Adams lack of knowledge on Ireland got him feeling like an American
I saw Poor Things with an audience. Everyone seemed to be enjoying it which was great! I thought it was hilarious.
The theatre I went to really loved Poor Things. Everyone was laughing. But it was a very late crowd, 9:15pm start. But I'm surprised at how many people sharing this story of being the only one to laugh at the movie, I'm glad I saw it with a crowd that had fun.
On the Zack Snyder owl movie: Not only did Guardians of Ga'Hoole feature an Owl City song, they had him make an original song for it (I only remember this because I was a fan of Owl City at the time, had 0 interest in the movie and didn't watch it.) Hearing Adam describe the movie, it's even more bizarre that it didn't fit the tone at all because it wasn't just grabbing a licensed song, they paid for him to make a brand new one and apparently told him nothing about the movie lol
No offense to the boys I love them both but I think when doing a historic movie such as TWTSTB, it’s kinda the bare minimum to do even surface level research when covering topics about a countries entire history. They treated “Incendies” with respect I don’t know why they couldn’t do the same here
Feel the same way.
There's not wanting to speak for another people, and then there's not even knowing that Ireland is an independent nation after viewing and while attempting to discuss The Wind that Shakes the Barley.
Kind of embarrassing.
I agree with that, not trying to be mean but I was kind of shocked that Adam didn´t know that Ireland is not a unified Country.
Forever wishing for someone to recommend David Lynch's Lost Highway or Blue Velvet, and Kill Bill. I cry every day for this
I think Adam mentioned a long while ago that he’s waiting for a 4K Blu Ray release to recommend it. I could be wrong though
I cry every day from drinking a lot of robotussin
@@Firemandan86 i think they need to bite the bullet for kill bill they already lost Ralph and the 4k isn't out yet ;((
Leaving Las Vegas as well.
For me I'm waiting for the day they discuss about the Raid duology
I saw Poor Things in a theater of all olds, and they were all so down it added a lot to the experience honestly😂 I was blown away by the movie though holy shit
I just went to a normal showing at my local cinema, and I live in the UK, and they were rip roaring laughing at Poor Things continually, even though most of the time it was, like, a painful, wincing, uncomfortable kind of laughter like "I shouldn't be laughing at this because it is so shocking and extreme but it's so outlandish, absurd and hilarious that I have zero choice but to laugh at it," like when Emma Stone was stabbing the corpse's eyes with a knife or when she was playing with the corpse's penis. Extreme comedy is an accurate way to describe Poor Things...
I met Sofia Boutella (the lead of Rebel Moon) at a comic con and asked her about The Mummy a few weeks ago
What'd she say?
@@luiginastro8831 that it was fun and she respected Tom Cruise. They were scrapping the bottom of 5 wine barrels at her Q and A to fill time. Nothing against her of course but that's kinda a bad sign.
It is absolutely insane to me how Alex has no clue that Ireland is not a part of his country.
Its like hearing an American wondering if Mexico is part of the USA
My parents honestly let me watch and play anything South Park, horror movies, etc but they were extremely strict about everything else like how far I could walk alone
And there was nothing we could do about it. IHE and YMS were made channels and Ralph wasn't. And we had to sit there and take it. It was among the Sardonicast. Real movie critic s#!+.
I’m pretty sure Willem Dafoe blowing the bubbles was because of his stomach acid system thingy
Poor Things was one of the best crowd experiences I've had last year. Even my theater mostly filled with middle-aged boomers was totally down for how weird and horny that movie got. They were having a blast.
He has left us alone but shafts of light sometimes grace the corner of our rooms
Lovely episode sardonipals!
The future in Poor Things had some Jules Verne inspiration in my opinion. Sort of like how people in the 1800's envisioned the future.
Poor Things is amazing and Emma Stone's performance is fantastic! I really hope Emma Stone wins another Best Picture for this!!
just saw Poor Things, matine earlier today. went alone, there were a few people in the theater, but we were laughing here and there but there were also moments where you could hear a pin drop in the theater. the score was so good!!!!!
There's a scene where the antagonist lines up all the characters, says their names and vague backstories out loud, and all I could remember after that was the word 'Titus'.
zack snyder opens up about severe auteurism
2:13:51
Yes! It's so weird but I don't think I've ever felt more stressed watching a movie than Nocturnal Animals and I've been putting off seeing it again since...
Snyder keeps getting work like this because he's friends with people like Christopher Nolan, who keep using their weight to get him jobs (literally how he got Man of Steel)
Saltburn is WAAAY better than Promising Young Woman. I wasn't digging it at first and was all like "maybe this director is not for me" but the movie eventually got me hooked. its predictable but fun.
I wish I could unsee the last 3rd of Saltburn. I would probably really like it.
I went to see Poor Things with a friend in the theatre and we were literally the only people in the screening. Granted, it was a Wednesday at 3 pm so most people would be at work or university or whatever so I don't really know how popular or well known the movie is where I am. We both had a great time watching it though
Is Rebel Moon a promotional material for Zachary's scientology-like church?
How about "Cheese to meet you" as an opening quote
Whenever someone says "studios should give 100% control to Directors" I immediately think of Zack Snyder and his dumb POS movies where he had full control
And without that, what would we have to make fun of? Still on board
For that last question, Cyberpunk Edgerunners is my pick. Makes me feel absolutely hollow inside. [spoilers] It starts out with a tragedy, then tricks you with a few bright and fun episodes, and then everything goes to hell.
I saw Poor Things with my sister after only watching the trailer. It was awkward lol. We loved the movie btw.
I love when they talk about bad movies
Poor Things is a my favorite movie of 2023, so I’m glad to see that both have 10/10 for that film
Rebel Goon
Rebel Mewing
Poor Edgings
The Wind that Shakes the Harley
I kinda hate to say this cuz I feel dumb even tho I enjoyed it but I think I got more out of Adam's explanation than if I would have only seen the movie. I didn't think about any of those things in the moment.
My parents rarely banned me from watching/playing something. They just called everything I liked stupid - that’s much better and totally didn’t f’ed me up.
I cant wait to see what happens in rebel moon part 2: Robot Jim strikes back
The Wind That Shakes The Barley was fantastic!! Strong 8/10
Didn’t love Poor Things quite as much as you guys but it was still fantastic. That CGI boat looked like some Star Wars prequel bullshit though, I'm sorry. You guys are usually waaaay more critical than me but it stuck out like a sore thumb. It took me right out of the movie every time we saw an establishing shot.
I would seriously watch the Star Wars Sequels instead of finishing Rebel Moon (saw spoiler reviews to see how it ends), even Rise of Skywalker, at least it has some life and passable filmmaking even though its a gigantic hot mess.
Still waiting for Snyder to make even a 300-level film again, but he keeps making worse and worse flicks.
Somebody please pair him up with a good screenwriter or someone to bounce off with
I went to see Poor Things with my mom actually lmfao I had a pleasant theater experience, no kids, everyone was just quiet and chuckled when a funny scene happened. Im sorry Alex wasnt as lucky
Rebel Moon was a series of scenes that Snyder thought would look cool, but barely connected. Just a series of long receuitment scenes of this team they are building, but then there is no payoff showing the team's skills off.
Its like if Ocean's 11 team recruitment montage took 1.5 hours but instead of a climactic heist that showed off each member's specialty it just ended in a gun battle in the casino lobby because the team fucked up right off the bat.
"Rebel Moon was a series of scenes that Snyder thought would look cool, but barely connected."
You could easily say the same thing about his Justice League. It just felt like a mishmash of setpieces Snyder wanted in a movie: superhero fights, villain monologues, the world ending, LOTR style battles and so on. Like a 5-year old with a box of random action figures and smashing them together.
Do more watch alongs Adam!
I second this
Day 68 of asking for an episode on the Evil Dead trilogy
Poor Things, EASIEST 10/10 for me next to EEAAO this decade. Agreed with Adum that the film sticks WELL in your mind days after, especially the score. Also the first film in 5 years I willingly drove long ways to see it TWICE.
Also, Emma Stone mentioned in Actors On Actors that she and Yorgos planned "5 Stages" for Bella in terms of filming scenes during production to keep consistency in chronology. After 2 viewings, it's STILL difficult to tell where Bella's transitions between stages are apparent. It felt seamless. The most impressive feat of acting I've seen in recent cinema. A 2nd Oscar for Stone would be COMPLETELY deserved.
PLEASE Oscars, be based and award back-to-back Best Pictures to deserving, bizarre, maximalist masterpieces
Just re-watched The Favourite. The fish eye lens is used throughout the film. It's probably used in 50% of all the shots.
Both Adams loving Ken Loach films. Poor Things is unforgettable. The film score took me back to stuff from the Quay Brothers.
Ken Goat
Funnily enough the cinematographer for poor things has done a bunch of work with ken loach
I AM DYING I HAVEN'T WATCHED POOR THINGS YET AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
So worth it. 🫶🏻
I WATCHED IT I LIKED IT
YMS: “Im very happy I didn’t see this with my mom”
When I went to see it, the theater was full and a couple of them were families… with their children. Some of them probably 12 years old or something. I don’t know, I was just surprised. Also, by the end, most of the reactions were positive but the group of people behind me hated it.
The fact that Rebel Moon is labeled as a masterpiece by a certain subset makes me lose all hope.
*I HATE* the “It’s for adults” crowd.. I once saw Zack Snyder’s fan base were discussing what franchise he could hop to after DC and they suggested “A dark and gritty TMNT” 🤦🏽♂️ like why??
To justify their manbabyhood
It’s like the same bullshit thinking as “It’s for kids” except repatriated lol
The surprise guest is probably Ralph
I just saw Poop Things and I thought it was amazing!
I had the same problem in the cinema for poor things. It was just dead silent the whole time me and my friend were the only ones laughing. England has some weird crowds
My criticism of Poor Things is mostly about Bella's arc.
I feel I would like her character more if we could see more of her emotionally maturing and not always being impulsive...it doesn't feel like she learnt that much.
Also, I think that trying to humanize her (scene in Alexandria, or when Swiney tries to manipulate her with the baby) felt a bit shoehorned. As much as we know about her, why would she get so emotional about some babies or other people's suffering in general?
I wish that the empathetic part of her personality was explored/developed more.
The lack of explanation for her empathy makes sense since empathy doesn’t have an explanation but just spontaneously occurs in us, just like in Bella
@@aeroslythe6881 Not really, if you ever observed little children (not in the wrong way XD, they actually often lack empathy and morals, which they need to develop. I.e. if someone hits them, they know it hurts other people too. I was expecting something like that to happen with Bella, but I just don't think that part was written well.
It's bad enough that Rebel Moon copied off of Star Wars. It couldn't even be as entertaining either. The most boring film I've ever seen recently.
"Ugly, ugly, ugly" is most accurate description of Rebel Moon. 🤣
Shout out to Ken Loach who’s from my small hometown of Nuneaton, England
To be fair to Bioshock: Infinite, it does seem literally influenced by the game's aesthetics. As a greek I'm well aware of the "color palette" of lanthimos from his first films and this isn't something he always did that way.
Did Zack Snyder replace the cameras with dead pixels yet?
Hilariously on 70mm film print.
A Bug’s Life is Seven Samurai
The fact that you decided to talk about The Wind that Shakes the Barley and you didn’t even know that Northern Ireland and “Southern” Ireland are politically distinct was so embarrassing to listen to. And one of you is British. Wtf.
Rebel Moon was like a lazy Red Rising
adum saying theres no central character in Old Oak is just obviously dumb and wrong
I’m sad that Rebel Moon is the only film I’ve watched where a character is named Hickman
Even more ironic was all the fear I remember growing up about kids believing everything on the internet then that's exactly what happened to the boomers
netflix spending money to make a shitty cut is crazy