I will never buy pirelli again. My pzero-race 4S 700x30C Tubeless (made in Italy) leave from my front wheel and i had a crash. Thank's god after some weeks my injuries are better but i was in bad conditions. After the crash i was on pirelli website to have contact, 1st problem NO EMAIL to contact, i see SAFETY WARNING for the 28mm tubeless p-zero race, the risk is the same of my crash, tire leave from the rim. The procedure is taking contact with the dealer. The dealer was fast to reply but pirelli NO, lot of weeks before having a reply. The dealer say me "they are ok to send to you 2 new tires" i reply sorry but NO i have serious injuries and more than 800€ to renew my bike, a great fear and i will say "thank you" for 2 tires? So i say to me "if I was you i think like you" so he forward to pirelli. They ask to me medical document for the injuries, proof of damage on bike and cost, the 2 tire. I will send all the docs to justify and the tire from France to Italy. After some weeks reply from Pirelli "a puncture cause the crash" and nothing else. I reply if it was a joke? Why? Because the day of the crash i put myself after crash the tire on the rim without sealant because the sealant was spray out. From the crash place to my home no loose pressure, no loose pressure after some day in the garage before removing tire. So if there is a puncture the size was something like a needle head. Who can say "XXS puncture = tire leaving from the wheel = normal situation" ??? For example in the official Schwalbe website they ask to maje puncture with a needle to verify if there is any sealant and if the sealant is always OK not "dry". The 2 tires out of the wheels are in 8 form twisted all around the circumference never seen that. I reply it's not serious and they don't assume. I say OK so 2 new tire at more than 100€ OK for the trash after 100km, 20€ of post cost to send to you, injuries, 800€ of damage and the only thing you say to me "it's normal because of a puncture" so write on the box of your tire "in case of puncture of 0,1mm the tire will go out of the wheel" like this people know the risk. How can we say that it's normal except to excuse ourselves from guilt? Months of patience, documents and photos to explain/justify everything, only to end up hearing bad faith. At this day no reply and i will never have reply. For me Pirelli it's finish and i see a lot of video on IG with pirelli tire out of the wheel. My wheel are fulcrum wind 55db 19mm interior width with hook, i was not over or under pressure. I was on flat road at 35km/h going downhill at a much higher speed i might have died. pirelli doesn't seem to mind. i'm just disgusted by their contempt and the poor quality of some batches that may have reached customers. here in france people have had the problem including on sizes other than 28mm. surely a question of money and reputation they manage it their way, very badly. Now I will try Goodyear eagle f1r, Pirelli NEVER AGAIN.
@lovenottheworld5723 those were definitely the fastest tires on the market. But the 5000s are leaps and bounds better(not the fastest anymore though). Oddly enough, the 4000s were more aerodynamic but the rolling resistance of the 5000s is an enormous improvement on any conti that came before it
The single best cycling information available. Even more tire reviews would be a benefit to the world. Sheep bleating in the background is the cherry on top. Your ride in heaven.
I used clincher PZero for years and loved them but since the massive price increase I begrudgingly moved to GP5000. I'm pleasantly surprised, ever so slightly faster but ever so slightly harsher. I find the GP5000 last a little longer and are are more durable but I've only used one set. Would love to give the Power Cup a go.
Power cups are nice but are susceptible to side damage on wider rims. They have quite a narrow tread cap. But the are super fast grippy and very supple
I was gifted pair of Goodyear F1 to try on a troublesome wheelset. While they went on very ,the puncture resitance was very poor and i had punctures every ride for a month. I have now returned to my favourite Schwalbe Pro one for the front and Schwalbe one on the rear. Flint punctures in Berkshire are very common even on the toughest tyres.
Vittorias (Corsa and Corsa Next) are supplest tires with the best feel in corners of all I tested. But they deteriorate fast with getting smaller and bigger cuts. The Contis just wear down. Veloflex has nice tires too, quite supple.
New bike came with Eagle F1, used them for the first year (about 20 000km ridden) they were actually great. I went P Zero for my replacement set of tyres because they were on special. No regrets a couple of thousand km's in... both great tyres.
Crazy money for tyres now,some car tyres are cheaper but not the best. The old Conti gp4000 I liked,good ride feel/durable,light. Michelin pro race good also but tighter to fit on some rims. Veloflex were my favourite race tyre but at 180grams not durable but easy to fit and felt nearest to a nice tub. When Vittoria shifted to Thailand Veloflex used the plant in Italy. I have yet to try Conti gp5000 or the other newer tyres. Your U.K prices are doubled in $ N.Z !
Always used to ride Continental in the past, but swapped to Pirelli a couple of years ago and have no regrets. I have both a set of tubeless and a set with tubes. Main selling point for me is how much easier they are to get on and off the rims. I would also highly recommend the Hutchinson Fusion 5 Perf 11S (with tubes) which I simply love. Cheap and they are so quiet on the road and are very easy to get on and off the rims.
I love the Pirelli Cinturato Velo 28mm road tyre - a bit heavier than the P Zero Race, but it's cheaper and at least in my perception has the same ride feel. Also in my limited experience (only 1 set of wheels) easy to set up tubeless. IMO great if you're not racing. Previously had used Hutchinson Fusion 5 which were great however they ran out of tread after about 600miles whereas the Cinturato is 1200+ and still going.
the cinturato velos are mind blowingly good. I never had a puncture once or had to repair them at all. before i had to change inner tubes like 1-4 times a month. Im geniuenly impressed and would recommend them to anyone. they still look new after months and i drive like a lunatic 5+ times a week. So glad i found them through a comment on youtube. not changing inner tubes they already paid themselves lol
I have been running GP5000 tubeless for a few years now (and 4000s before that) and very happy with them. But your video, and the fact that Conti’s in wider widths are hard to find in stock atm, has got me running off to Aerocoach and BRR to look at harder data on the alternatives. Thanks for posting.
@bikemirror6620 I get about 8k km on the rear, and closer to 10k on the front. If you are getting punctures more frequently, you may want to replenish the sealant - it does dry out over time (especially if you are using CO2), and it does get used up in the process of plugging punctures.
Check out the width as measured, Goodyear was slightly larger than 30 on my rims but closest to what I actually bought, Pirelli 31mm and gp5000 STR 32 mm. found the good year the best feeing tyre but they punctured often beyond 1500km. Pirelli seemed to last better and the jury is still out on the conti’s, they feel squishy uphill like the sidewall is softer, might be the extra width.
Thanks for your video. You’ve basically ticked off everything I felt with the conti gp5000. Squared edges, side walls damage easily, hairline cracks on older tyres etc. tyres get cut up before the wear indicators are worn off. those things I just thought were normal (been on the 4k and 5k for 10+ years now). I’ve been riding around on the schwalbe pro one that came with my new bike, feels fast but I don’t have any interest in the brand. Like you said stiff side walls so quite hard to get tyres on and off. Today I just fitted a pair of pirelli p zeroes on my bike, you can roll it onto the rim with your hands, spot on with what you said. Keep up the good work and more review videos :)
You articulated my unorganized thoughts about the GP5000s exactly. BTW, I love that Castelli shirt you were wearing on the ride. I saw someone with the same shirt a year ago but can't find it anywhere!
Try milKit. Never dries out like normal sealant. 5 years shelf life and if it does get a little thicker after months, just add some water. Sealing wise, it is very good as it has fibres suspended in the liquid (unlike Silca, which is too thin and the fibres too heavy). If you do get a puncture too big to hold 70+psi, no issue..Pop the bead off, wipe the inside and stick on a patch (I take a small tube of glue and a few patches). Oh, and holds pressure really well due to staying fluid. I add air, maybe once every week or 2. They now have a better, Road & Gravel spec.
Interesting stuff. For minute i'll stick with my panaracer gravel king slicks - getting 4-5000k from a set regardless of the road surface i use. I find them easy to get on/off in the event of a puncture. Use them for training & ultra races with no real issues to report to be honest. Tried hutchinson's for a change over the spring .... boy they are bl00dy hard to get off ... all most lost my fingers. Will try your p-zero's next & see how i get on with them.
Rolling resistance differences can be enormous between tires. It's harder to tell when you're a heavier rider. But very small people without insane thresholds notice slow tires right away. If you're 50-60kg and your doodle pace is at 130-150w, you'll notice a 5-10w loss in tires and the differences can be even bigger than that.
Umm. At best the difference in a tyre like for like size and type is 6w, and those tests don’t take the optimum tyre pressure for the rider into account. Some tyres are not even rated high enough psi to actually test. They also test brand new out of the box. Maybe relevant if you do very little braking or cornering. I bet you can’t find a 30-622 tyre in the tubeless race category with more than 5 watts difference at 60psi. If you do, get a screen shot. I’ll send you a free t-shirt.
@Mapdec for ONE tire and that's noticeable for someone small(not me or you). No need for a t-shirt, I have too many😅 But look at the Tufo Comtura TRs. They only come in 28s it's not hard to extrapolate using your imagination that the difference is over 10w(for one tire) compararing them to contis at 28mm. The differences wouldn't drop to 5w per tire if they were both available in 30mm
@Mapdec I train on Bontrager R3s on my slowest wheels because they're cheap, ride OK and they let me ride with slower people. They're most definitely slow though and it's noticeable on the steep climbs near me(in Utah and I have two HC climbs a few miles from my door) where my aero wheels aren't the difference maker the tires are.
I loved the made in italy pirellis !!! I had a pair that was on the recall list, so I took them off the bike, still lovely comfort and grip, seem highly durable as they were almost new. They don't match the speed or suppleness of the Continental 5000 S Tr, but I do agree those don't last long and are prone to picks and cuts.
I swore by GP5000 for ages but was getting increasingly frustrated with how difficult they were to fit and how quickly the sidewalls showed signs of wear. I tried to buy the Pirellis but couldn't find them in stock anywhere at the time, so gave the Eagle F1's a go instead. Personally, I much prefer the F1's over the Continentals. Look nicer too (which is obviously the most important thing...)!
I used the last model P Zeros with a tanned sidewall. One emergency braking at low speed was enough to scrub the rubber down to the carcass and I had to replace the tire. It was new, had maybe 200 km on it. Switched to Conti GP5000 and had no such problems, 3.500 km on them, no punctures, no brake patches, no problems. Maybe I just had a bad tire, but it kinda ruined Pirellis for me...
Recently got some Hurchinson Fusion 11 storm based only on price! (£40 each in 28mm) and they feel as good as any other premium TLR tyre for me, if not a little comfier. Easy to install but i fine the Schwalbe easy too. Only tyres ive struggled with is F1 eagle and they were VERY undersized so were instantly dismissed.
Yup, run Fusion 5 11 Storm on my commuter (30c) and road (28F, 30R) bikes. May be they are slight slower, but easy to get on and off, good price, very good punture resistance and light too (under 300g).
I rode the Hutchinson 11 Storm Fusion 5 TLR in 28 mm since last year and like that tyre a lot. Not so fast as the Conti 5000 for sure, louder too but very easy to fit on the Giant SLR carbon wheel that came with my 2018 TCR. The Conti was a pita to install on that rim but the Hutchinson was very easy to mount on that rim. Very comfortable ride with the Hutchinson with 5.4 bar at the rear and 5,.2 at the front. As I am sick of the the tubeless setup (main problem: I do not own a electric compressor and will not buy another pump with an air canister?) I switched and now run that tyre with a chinese TPU tube. Recived yesterday 2 Hutchsions 11 Storm Fusion 5 tube typ in 28mm which are roundabout 220 gramm, cost me 33 € /piece incl. p&p from Condor Cycles Ltd., London to Berlin, Germany and I am happy with that buy as it is hard to get the 28mm online here in Germany. I feel good with that tyres even as I have to ride it according to the sidewall with 6 bar minimum, I will try a lower pressure as 5.7 bar and wait how smooth the tyre will run with that pressure.
@@sportbootjo That's what I did! I bought some Reynolds carbon wheels and tried to get on a GP5000TL (not the newer version) and I thought I was going to break the rim! I bought the TL version of the Fusion 5 as I was going to run tubeless, but it is only a summer bike so I have some RideNow TPU tubes to fit. Hopefully, the TL version has a little more puncture resistance. Oh, and I too buy from Condor Cycles. Fantastic shop and top level service from Greg!
I had a very negative experience with Good Year Eagle F1. They're so soft they're useless. I got about 150km from the front and 700km from the rear. I had a separation between the rubber in the tire causing catastrophic failure in the rear. I sent photos, and details to Good Year and they responded that "for a race tire we believe you had adequate life from the tire" so I essentially wasted $240 aud for not even a combined 1000km of riding between the front and rear. They rolled nice while they lasted.
No idea what you’re on about with the pro ones, they’re as good as any of the other top tubeless tyres imo, easy to setup, last well, roll well. Also frequently available at actually decent prices - in the £35 quid range. For tubeless tyres that’s insanely good.
I think I need to try the Pirelli tires again. I have the Conti 5000 and yes they appear to wear out really quick the rear got super flat. I tried the Pirelli with tan sidewalls and those were too flimsy for me I had cuts in the sidewalls after only a couple rides so I will try the all black ones now.
great to see soem real world comparisons rather than product launches or single brand reviews...and those very real roads....interssing also the comments about cornering being the point of most naticable difference. I certainly have had tyres that made me feel less confidence than those they replaced and quickly switched back. Also similar experience with older continentals and Schwalbes. Running veloflex part for price/quality balance for a given overall feel - a little fussy setting up and sealant choice but seems to be holding up well. Have had Pirellis previously so will give these new ones a go in future...
With you on Schwable tubeless. Terrible to fit. Also went through a phase of tears in wall at bead that just appeared. Got a replacement once but retailer not happy to do it.
79 pounds... yikes. I am in the US and get my Pirelli's from LordGun in Italy and got them for less than $50 US and I have them on 4 bikes at the moment. 2 are running the P Zero Race TLR's and they are incredibly long lasting. Both sets are approaching 3K miles at this point. I am running Centurato Gravel H's on 2 bikes... fantastic tires all around. The pirelli's just slide on my rims like butter, never had an issue.
Bought a used bike installed with tubeless GoodYear F1 30 mm - rides nice I use GoodYear tubetype 28 mm on another bike - very comfy too Back in 2008 Vredestein was the deal, I don't think newer tires are as "sticky" as those were, but they were 23 mm and needed at least 100 psi preferably 110 psi
Am I the only one who has wonderful experiences with GP5000's?! ....they are fast as hell, and I dont think I have ever had a flat on them. Fantastic tire for both training and racing
The current 5000 tubeless seems good, I had a pair of the first 5000 tubeless and they were a bugger to fit, didn't hold air and perished and cracked quickly, so if you buy, make sure it's not old stock.
I love mine but haven't used anything else but the stock schwalbe tyres I got with my bike. Changing the tyres made a massive performance and feel difference!
@@alexgorton2633 I really liked the schwalbe pro one tubeless, easy to fit, didn't leak at all, but very fragile, I used to live in an area with flint and they cut up easily. I've also used the none pro one with tubes, ok, but I didn't trust them in the wet. Had my front wheel lock up a few times, but this was a good few years ago now and they've probably got better.
Refreshing content considering most in thebindustry goto the rolling resistance site which gives NO tangible “feel” rather focussed on watts. You can’t substitute feel on the road it’s very real but differs between rider weight and preferred pressures….nice review
Your videos make me very jealous of where you live/ride. Work will keep me in Los Angeles for the next 9 years but when I'm ready to relocate, I'll look for places that are near great riding areas.
Paul (great film - more like it please). Interesting weight comparison at the end - and I would be interested in your opinion on one matter. A new Cont GP5000 tube 28" is 239g and a Tublito tube is 22g - total 261g (I have photos!). This makes set up 122g less than the Pzero + valve + goo (383g - your weight) - The tubeless set up is around 50% more than the tube set up. Question - for us normal riders, who have to stop (for lights, cars & sheep etc), perhaps 20 times (+) on a 100km ride, how does the rotational inertia of this additional mass (both accelerating and stopping) add up? Surely it must have a noticeable impact on fatigue by the end of the ride?
Oh. Good question. I doubt it would have a noticeable impact on fatigue. Larger rotational mass would require more effort to spin up, but then you would experience a smoother less fatiguing ride, you will likely brake less as you have more confidence to hold speed through bends, you will probably descend faster, and if you get a thorn in your tyre you’ll likely never notice and just keep riding.
I mostly use the conti GPs, I agree the side wall wears out quickly. Entire treads come off. Is this dangerous? Recently I put the Michelin Power TT on my TT bike. Do you know these? they roll well, not so much grip though.
I have one customer on the TT. Tough to compare because not tubeless and at high pressure so they have that effect of feeling fast because it feels like you are on the edge rather than super smooth. They are sketchy in turns as i test ride in the car park. I’m not convinced, but then I haven’t just ridden flat out in a straight line on a smooth road.
Agree with the flattening off on Contis, the 4000’s did it too. I’ve run Corsa’s for 6 years and have just moved over to the Corsa Next TLR, I think they are brilliant tyres and think they could be one of the best all rounders on the market. That said, I’ve had 2 x 24mm fail with sidewall leaks so far and a third (28mm) seems problematic in that department although at a much slower rate. I tend to set myself a limit of £50 a tyre as I buy three at a time, as you said with pricing some of them are getting ridiculous now.
After having tan walled tyres, I wouldn't bother, they look cool, but discolour.. Vittoria Corsas are amazing, that's just my opinion. Can't believe the top of the line tyres are nearly as expensive as car tyres, I feel there's something wrong with the cycling industry on that aspect. What's your thoughts?
Love PZeros - nothing bad to say about them. Used to ride GP5000s but I know exactly what you mean about them deteriorating quickly - they ride more harshly and grip less after 2000km.
Was happy with gp5000 tl for tubeless but changed out for the str’s and the wear and puntures have been insane. At that price doesn’t make sense really
Totally agree with the Pirelli TLR being a step above the rest. Conti's puncture and dont last long, Schwalbe lose air through the tyre walls. The TLR just keep going
I just found out my PZERO is one of the recall tires, but my local shops are not sure what to do. They only know to return the affected SKU numbers but no information for the customers.
Challenge tires are really a different story. Quite hard to set up tubeless, but the ride quality justifies the struggle. I ride Vittoria N.ext TLR 28 at the moment, I am quite happy with them. I will swap them for Challenge Strada Bianca TLR 30 to ride, well, Strade Bianche Granfondo next year. I think Challenge tires I have previously used (Getaway TLR 40 and Strada Bianca TLR 30, both handmade) have superior puncture resistance.
I have had one of the early pirelli road tires. They are lasting , no flats yet.and I've ben riding them at low pressures, because I'm can be lazy at times. I had the back wheel kick out once and landèd on my butt. I would love get them again but I don't know if I can justify the price. But I still the same tubes in since New.
RE: Noise level a tire produces and relationship to power loss...the assumed linear relationship is very tenuous. A huge amount of that is down to the ability of a compound and carcass to act as a propagator or not. A noisy tire could be effectively propagating audio energy that a competitive tire is absorbing and dissipating as heat. With an optimal tire resonant characteristic, as little a 500mW could produce the sound level you describe. Piezoelectric devices can and do at that power input.
My brandnew Princeton Wake 6560's mounted with the new Pirelli 28mm TLR had 3 massive blowouts in 5 rides. 2 times front, 1 time rear. It was in fact the tire that was mentioned in the call back. Scary stuff, Pirelli's are my favorite by far. Now rolling on GP5000 STR, let's see how they hold over time.
Actually had multiple thousand KMs on both Pirelli’s and F1s. And after all of that experience I’d say… just buy contis, old TLs and S TRs have been special
@@Mapdec 28s on 303 firecrests sitting about 30s maybe a bit more are great, cornering confidence I didn’t get from F1s especially, p ones good but not found them as confidence inspiring
Something with relatively stiff sidewalls and puncture protection. The good year might be good. I’d stay away from things like Vittoria Corsa and challenge tyres.
@@Mapdec thank you. I've been running the previous version of vittoria corsa and latex for yonks now on a set of older style bora 50s with 0 punctures on 25mm. but I'm moving to more modern wheels so wasn't sure how to proceed.
I loved the old GP5000 Tubeless ready - had them and didnt have one puncture over the course of 1,5 years of usage - super impressed - got the never GP5000 STR - however they are not on the same level in puncture proctection - already have plugged the tires several times :( So I think I will look at the Good Year Eagle F1 R
never mind the tyres, where's that pretty background!?! I'm using Conti 5K TLs, before that Vittoria Corsas clincher. Next I will try the Pirellis. The Continentals have been OK so far except for getting the tyres on and off the (carbon) rims which has bordered on impossible. If I have to remove a tyre on the road to fix a flat then I'm done. The Corsas got more punctures but were easier to replace at the side of the road.
I'm sure that you have seen the " No selling" info about the Pirelli P Zero TM Race TLR, hope that everything gets sorted out with these tires. Personally, I like the Vittoria Corsa Next, but all of these and a couple others are in the same ballpark.
Eagerly awaiting the P-Zero Race TLR in 700x40c size for rail trail and tow path use. However, the release of this size has been continuously delayed every 2 weeks since January. Any idea or info on when this size may actually be available?
I've just weighted a brand new Hutchinson Fusion 5 11 Storm TL 30c ... 302g 😀😀😀 I know Paul doesn't like them, but I haven't found a better tyre that I can commute on and smash some weekend rides.
What size? We tried them for a bit when they were a cheaper alternative. As their prices crept up they didn’t compete so well. We also had quite a few delaminating issues. All resolved, but annoying.
Hi, I've been a big fan of the channel for a while now. I notice you always fit the black Pirelli road tyres; do you have any opinion on how they compare to the classics or even why you don't tend to use the classic tyres? I used to run the Cinturato classics on my commuter (doing a reasonable distance on country roads) but the sidewalls were too fragile and ripping the sidewall = new tyre. I used to run the Challenge Strada tubed back before I went tubeless (not on the commuter of course!) and they were absolutely mind blowingly good (fragile side walls again) I'd highly recommend you give them a review
Thank you. In theory there is no difference with the Pirelli because it’s just a brown layer of rubber. Usually tan side walls were there because it was just the natural colour of the casing. Tubeless tyres bought in the need for fake brown side walls because it was on trend. Remember in the 2010 everyone had coloured tyres 😳. Personally I think the fake brown side walls look a bit naff. Tyres like the Corsa and Challenge in the vid is where the side wall is just natural as the grip element is essentially glued onto the natural cotton or gum casing.
I think you can get either of these tyres for around £50 in the UK. However, I still think that cost is ridiculous when compared to car tyres, or motorcycle tyres, both of which last much longer than bike tyres.
Yeah, I noticed that too with Conti's highly rated motorcycle tires. Google Fortnine's "Best Cheap Motorcycle Tires of 2023" here on TH-cam. My first thought, beyond how competitive they are, is that you get incredibly more product on a motorbike tire than for a pushbike one only a percentage less in price. Hmmmm.....
I rode GP5000 S TR in 32c round the Fred. They were utterly superb and they're the gold standard for me. It's totally subjective without lab testing but I found them (i.e. perceived them to be) grippier and faster than the Pirellis.
Watch 'Bicycle rolling resistance' webside they test tires objective... the test/review here is very bad (oh look made in italy, formula one , so nice bla bla bla... He say nothing about the new Conti GP All Season or TT s tr version. I have ridden contis for years and they are very good. Gatorskins, 4 season, the 35 mm GP Urban or the cheap ultra sport III... they all very fast durable tires.
@@mark13williams13 no doubt the Corsa are the fastest, especially so when you have a team car following when you puncture. Like wise with the GP5000. Easy to love when you get a new set every day. For the rest of us….
@@Mapdec I agree the Corsa’s are not the most durable on British roads but I have been riding GP5000s for ages without issue and they seem to hold up well. Pretty much everyone else I ride with also uses them and rate them highly.
What a beautiful area you live in. I would sure like to ride your region! By the way, I love the pirelli p-zero TLR, but for summer time I’m on the Vittoria Corsa pro
Good video....how far should someone get with a set of new tires in the price range of tires you reviewed? I have used the Corsa Next and the Cont.5000. I like them both but, have only been a few hundred miles on each.
Sorry. There are way too many variables to say. However, I would be disappointed if I got less than a spring, summer, early autumn of riding from a tyre.
The price of some top end tyres is ridiculous, I find Michelin Power Cup really good for value and just picked some up for £25.00 each and some tpu tubes from my mate Ali for about a fiver.
I'm going to have to try the P Zero, for high speed cornering (I have a lot of unintentional downhill KOMs) I've had good experience with Schwalbe One. For my current training tire, I'm running Michelin Power Cups (technically a race tire, but seems to wear extremely well). I picked the Michelin's up cheap and wasn't expecting much, but they corner better than GP5000s, are fairly comfy and haven't had any summer thorn punctures.
@@Mapdec A worn one. New GP5Ks are really good one you get that initial mold release stuff off, but I find they fall off quickly. Right now I have about 800 miles on the Michelins and don't notice any substantive difference from when they were new.
@@bikemirror6620 I think the Contis are better fresh out the box for the first few rides, after than they deteriorate quickly. The GY F1r are consistently good though their wear. The ones in the vid now have about 100 hours on them and still looking and feeling good.
@4:08 its a shame to dismiss Schwalbe... but I think you recognize their niche and acknowledge they have a place. My experience paints them as tires that lean towards the rugged durable side of the market, meaning they may not be fastest or most supple, but there are times when you want a bulletproof tire like Schwalbe.
Aye. I get fed up with all the different models and prices. It’s confusing for everyone. They have so many now that they can’t keep stock and we often find getting a customer a matching replacement quite difficult.
I agree was looking at them recently and couldn’t decipher which was their equivalent tyre to the ones I currently ride. It’s even more confusing when you see tyres listed for sale that don’t appear to be listed on their website 🤔
fastest tiers ive tried were the Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport R Clincher, grippy and fast durable they where not. Fun while they lasted. Quite they were not used with latex tube they rang like nothing else. Gp 5000 str, they might not be best at any one thing they are a know entity that are fairly reliable they are fast plenty grippy and last. Sure the tread Crazes little but all tiers do the same some more than others. Corsa pro's were nice but on wider rims they show'd to much side wall to the road, once the release the 29mm versions illl give them ago, they should mate up well to my reveres nicely. Currently the gp 5000's are the only ones iv found that specifically state they will work with 25mm IW rim's
In my opinion and personal experience the weight difference of a Conti GP5000 28C clincher + Ridenow TPU tube (or similar) is SIGNIFICANT compared to the P-Zero + tubeless setup mentioned in this video. To be precise 111gr per wheel so 222 gr total and this is rolling weight. If you compare a high-end wheelset which is 222gr lighter than another high-end wheelset the price difference will be almost 2x. Thanks but I will stick to my trusted and tested GP5000+TPU tube setup for the foreseeable future until the bike industry force me to convert to tubeless.
I bought some specialized turbo cottons from specialized concept store. I've been really careful with them and they've pretty much punctured on every ride - now the rear tyre has a gash in it 😂 nightmare
Specalised don’t make tyres. They rebadge and change the grip pattern from tyres made by Cheng Shin, Velo flex and Vittoria. I don’t pay them any attention because the whole rebranding process just annoys me.
@@Mapdec I did some sleuthing. Cheng Shing Tyres (CST) is the parent company to Maxxis. According to Spesh, they built their own tyre factory in Vietnam, with a Japanese partner called “innerware” - starting with MTB 7 or 8 years ago. I think anything s-works level is made there, and gripton is their own compound suite.
Just me riding Specialized S-Works Turbo clinchers? Not the cottons. Maybe not as fast as some others but good wear, grip and puncture resistance for real world riding.
I have a pair of gp5000 and hated them. 2 puntctures in the front and 1 in the back tire in just one ride made me so embarrassed I had to ditch them at just 4000k. I have two pairs of Grandprix GT and they have never puncture since 2020 at 7000k each. They are a pain to fit, they WILL Destroy flimsy tire levers, they don't have good RR, but the confidence that you won't be ditched is priceless I'd love to have a pair of Pirelli's but they don't have a distributor in my country 😢.
I love the PZero as well, easiest to mount, rolls super smooth, but expensive. But if you check the online shops regularly, you can find good offers from time to time. Then it's the right moment to order the next 2 or 3 sets. I wonder ow your rate the P7. I found it a big disappointment. Stiff and not very durable.
@@Mapdec Good decision. Same brand, but not at all an adequate product. It's better to spare your customers the disappointment. For my everyday commuting I found the Continental Ultra Sport III unexpected good. Very cheap (in Germany) but ok.
Wanted to pass along, I believe there is a stop sale notice on the Pirelli P Zero Race Series of tires. Check out video posted by George Vargas. As a shop owner and doing comparison videos you should be aware of this and keep customers informed
i run Schwable pro ones, never have an issue fitting them to my mavic wheels, easiest set up i have used. guess have just been lucky getting the tyre and rim combo
Great video and helpful comments and others experience. What about Michelin , Schwalbe and Tufo tires? For endurance i use Pirelli Cinturato 35mm, they are very good and for speed with friends i use Tufo 28mm, also very good comfort and speed
I’m a Pirelli advocate but loved the Cinturato Velo for all year but just found them a bit heavy rolling. Just changed to the PZero Road 28’s with TPU tubes and at £60 for the set they seem to be a match made in heaven for me. Come with new puncture technology and Roll really nice and feel supple under foot😉 I’ve noticed some extra speed. Not sure I’m ready for tubeless on the road bike just yet.
@@mattdowney6540 hi Matt, I’ve been out on mine 3 times, got caught in a horrible downpour a couple of weeks back and have had damp roads at the beginning of a ride twice. Glad to say I’ve not had any issues as to them feeling dodgy.
Hi Paul have you seen the pirelli stop sale notice for the TLR 28mm tires 🤔 top content as always
Keep watching. It’s in the vid.
@@Mapdec yeah just realised 💪
I will never buy pirelli again. My pzero-race 4S 700x30C Tubeless (made in Italy) leave from my front wheel and i had a crash. Thank's god after some weeks my injuries are better but i was in bad conditions. After the crash i was on pirelli website to have contact, 1st problem NO EMAIL to contact, i see SAFETY WARNING for the 28mm tubeless p-zero race, the risk is the same of my crash, tire leave from the rim. The procedure is taking contact with the dealer. The dealer was fast to reply but pirelli NO, lot of weeks before having a reply. The dealer say me "they are ok to send to you 2 new tires" i reply sorry but NO i have serious injuries and more than 800€ to renew my bike, a great fear and i will say "thank you" for 2 tires? So i say to me "if I was you i think like you" so he forward to pirelli. They ask to me medical document for the injuries, proof of damage on bike and cost, the 2 tire. I will send all the docs to justify and the tire from France to Italy. After some weeks reply from Pirelli "a puncture cause the crash" and nothing else. I reply if it was a joke? Why? Because the day of the crash i put myself after crash the tire on the rim without sealant because the sealant was spray out. From the crash place to my home no loose pressure, no loose pressure after some day in the garage before removing tire. So if there is a puncture the size was something like a needle head. Who can say "XXS puncture = tire leaving from the wheel = normal situation" ??? For example in the official Schwalbe website they ask to maje puncture with a needle to verify if there is any sealant and if the sealant is always OK not "dry". The 2 tires out of the wheels are in 8 form twisted all around the circumference never seen that.
I reply it's not serious and they don't assume. I say OK so 2 new tire at more than 100€ OK for the trash after 100km, 20€ of post cost to send to you, injuries, 800€ of damage and the only thing you say to me "it's normal because of a puncture" so write on the box of your tire "in case of puncture of 0,1mm the tire will go out of the wheel" like this people know the risk. How can we say that it's normal except to excuse ourselves from guilt?
Months of patience, documents and photos to explain/justify everything, only to end up hearing bad faith.
At this day no reply and i will never have reply. For me Pirelli it's finish and i see a lot of video on IG with pirelli tire out of the wheel. My wheel are fulcrum wind 55db 19mm interior width with hook, i was not over or under pressure. I was on flat road at 35km/h
going downhill at a much higher speed i might have died. pirelli doesn't seem to mind. i'm just disgusted by their contempt and the poor quality of some batches that may have reached customers. here in france people have had the problem including on sizes other than 28mm. surely a question of money and reputation they manage it their way, very badly.
Now I will try Goodyear eagle f1r, Pirelli NEVER AGAIN.
Probably one of the best tyre reviews I've seen, handling them like you did gave a good indication of its properties. cheers!
Everyone knows that their own favourite tyre is the best.
truth!
My favourite tyre is better than yours.
@@MrVizzle It probably is because mine doesn't exist anymore. It was the GP3000. Very soft ride.
@lovenottheworld5723 those were definitely the fastest tires on the market. But the 5000s are leaps and bounds better(not the fastest anymore though). Oddly enough, the 4000s were more aerodynamic but the rolling resistance of the 5000s is an enormous improvement on any conti that came before it
Until they are not 😂
The single best cycling information available. Even more tire reviews would be a benefit to the world. Sheep bleating in the background is the cherry on top. Your ride in heaven.
I used clincher PZero for years and loved them but since the massive price increase I begrudgingly moved to GP5000. I'm pleasantly surprised, ever so slightly faster but ever so slightly harsher. I find the GP5000 last a little longer and are are more durable but I've only used one set.
Would love to give the Power Cup a go.
Another fan of GP5000 here. I was a fan of 4 Seasons but the 5000s are a bit lighter / faster, while tougher than 4000s.
Power cups are nice but are susceptible to side damage on wider rims. They have quite a narrow tread cap. But the are super fast grippy and very supple
I was gifted pair of Goodyear F1 to try on a troublesome wheelset. While they went on very ,the puncture resitance was very poor and i had punctures every ride for a month. I have now returned to my favourite Schwalbe Pro one for the front and Schwalbe one on the rear. Flint punctures in Berkshire are very common even on the toughest tyres.
Vittorias (Corsa and Corsa Next) are supplest tires with the best feel in corners of all I tested. But they deteriorate fast with getting smaller and bigger cuts. The Contis just wear down. Veloflex has nice tires too, quite supple.
Found the Veloflex Corsa TLR a bit too supple on the rear in 32mm format!! Vittoria Pro in 30mm is the sweet spot for me on my LB WR65’s!!
New bike came with Eagle F1, used them for the first year (about 20 000km ridden) they were actually great. I went P Zero for my replacement set of tyres because they were on special. No regrets a couple of thousand km's in... both great tyres.
...not to mention their gravel line. The cinturato M ist fast durable easy to setup tubeless and so incredibly durable. It is just epic!
💯% Running them too 👌
Yep, M's are ace.
Crazy money for tyres now,some car tyres are cheaper but not the best.
The old Conti gp4000 I liked,good ride feel/durable,light.
Michelin pro race good also but tighter to fit on some rims.
Veloflex were my favourite race tyre but at 180grams not durable but easy to fit and felt nearest to a nice tub.
When Vittoria shifted to Thailand Veloflex used the plant in Italy.
I have yet to try Conti gp5000 or the other newer tyres.
Your U.K prices are doubled in $ N.Z !
Love my P Zero Race TLR running tubeless low pressure, grip for days. Thanks for the heads up on the recall. My 2 new spares are in the recall widow.
Love that you used a Kendal mint cake for comparison! Very hard to find in NZ, loved them when I lived in Newcastle!
Always used to ride Continental in the past, but swapped to Pirelli a couple of years ago and have no regrets. I have both a set of tubeless and a set with tubes. Main selling point for me is how much easier they are to get on and off the rims. I would also highly recommend the Hutchinson Fusion 5 Perf 11S (with tubes) which I simply love. Cheap and they are so quiet on the road and are very easy to get on and off the rims.
I did try Hutchinson a while back. When hookless became more of a thing we stopped selling them.
I love the Pirelli Cinturato Velo 28mm road tyre - a bit heavier than the P Zero Race, but it's cheaper and at least in my perception has the same ride feel. Also in my limited experience (only 1 set of wheels) easy to set up tubeless. IMO great if you're not racing. Previously had used Hutchinson Fusion 5 which were great however they ran out of tread after about 600miles whereas the Cinturato is 1200+ and still going.
the cinturato velos are mind blowingly good. I never had a puncture once or had to repair them at all. before i had to change inner tubes like 1-4 times a month. Im geniuenly impressed and would recommend them to anyone. they still look new after months and i drive like a lunatic 5+ times a week. So glad i found them through a comment on youtube. not changing inner tubes they already paid themselves lol
I have been running GP5000 tubeless for a few years now (and 4000s before that) and very happy with them. But your video, and the fact that Conti’s in wider widths are hard to find in stock atm, has got me running off to Aerocoach and BRR to look at harder data on the alternatives. Thanks for posting.
How many km did they last? Mine is only more than 2k km and I am having lots of punctures lately. They were perfect before
@bikemirror6620 I get about 8k km on the rear, and closer to 10k on the front. If you are getting punctures more frequently, you may want to replenish the sealant - it does dry out over time (especially if you are using CO2), and it does get used up in the process of plugging punctures.
I already switched from stans to joes. Still having problems. So I alread bought a new set of Goodyear f1 tyres for an upcoming event.
Check out the width as measured, Goodyear was slightly larger than 30 on my rims but closest to what I actually bought, Pirelli 31mm and gp5000 STR 32 mm. found the good year the best feeing tyre but they punctured often beyond 1500km. Pirelli seemed to last better and the jury is still out on the conti’s, they feel squishy uphill like the sidewall is softer, might be the extra width.
Thanks for your video. You’ve basically ticked off everything I felt with the conti gp5000. Squared edges, side walls damage easily, hairline cracks on older tyres etc. tyres get cut up before the wear indicators are worn off. those things I just thought were normal (been on the 4k and 5k for 10+ years now). I’ve been riding around on the schwalbe pro one that came with my new bike, feels fast but I don’t have any interest in the brand. Like you said stiff side walls so quite hard to get tyres on and off. Today I just fitted a pair of pirelli p zeroes on my bike, you can roll it onto the rim with your hands, spot on with what you said. Keep up the good work and more review videos :)
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
You articulated my unorganized thoughts about the GP5000s exactly. BTW, I love that Castelli shirt you were wearing on the ride. I saw someone with the same shirt a year ago but can't find it anywhere!
I like tubeless but the sealant dries out after 3-4 months so I went back to inner tube so the most important thing to me is puncher protection.
I wonder if one can buy just the solvent part of the sealant. Would it “renew” the sealant?
Try milKit. Never dries out like normal sealant. 5 years shelf life and if it does get a little thicker after months, just add some water.
Sealing wise, it is very good as it has fibres suspended in the liquid (unlike Silca, which is too thin and the fibres too heavy).
If you do get a puncture too big to hold 70+psi, no issue..Pop the bead off, wipe the inside and stick on a patch (I take a small tube of glue and a few patches).
Oh, and holds pressure really well due to staying fluid. I add air, maybe once every week or 2. They now have a better, Road & Gravel spec.
Interesting stuff. For minute i'll stick with my panaracer gravel king slicks - getting 4-5000k from a set regardless of the road surface i use. I find them easy to get on/off in the event of a puncture. Use them for training & ultra races with no real issues to report to be honest.
Tried hutchinson's for a change over the spring .... boy they are bl00dy hard to get off ... all most lost my fingers.
Will try your p-zero's next & see how i get on with them.
Rolling resistance differences can be enormous between tires. It's harder to tell when you're a heavier rider. But very small people without insane thresholds notice slow tires right away. If you're 50-60kg and your doodle pace is at 130-150w, you'll notice a 5-10w loss in tires and the differences can be even bigger than that.
Umm. At best the difference in a tyre like for like size and type is 6w, and those tests don’t take the optimum tyre pressure for the rider into account. Some tyres are not even rated high enough psi to actually test. They also test brand new out of the box. Maybe relevant if you do very little braking or cornering. I bet you can’t find a 30-622 tyre in the tubeless race category with more than 5 watts difference at 60psi. If you do, get a screen shot. I’ll send you a free t-shirt.
@Mapdec for ONE tire and that's noticeable for someone small(not me or you). No need for a t-shirt, I have too many😅 But look at the Tufo Comtura TRs. They only come in 28s it's not hard to extrapolate using your imagination that the difference is over 10w(for one tire) compararing them to contis at 28mm. The differences wouldn't drop to 5w per tire if they were both available in 30mm
@Mapdec I train on Bontrager R3s on my slowest wheels because they're cheap, ride OK and they let me ride with slower people. They're most definitely slow though and it's noticeable on the steep climbs near me(in Utah and I have two HC climbs a few miles from my door) where my aero wheels aren't the difference maker the tires are.
I loved the made in italy pirellis !!! I had a pair that was on the recall list, so I took them off the bike, still lovely comfort and grip, seem highly durable as they were almost new.
They don't match the speed or suppleness of the Continental 5000 S Tr, but I do agree those don't last long and are prone to picks and cuts.
I swore by GP5000 for ages but was getting increasingly frustrated with how difficult they were to fit and how quickly the sidewalls showed signs of wear. I tried to buy the Pirellis but couldn't find them in stock anywhere at the time, so gave the Eagle F1's a go instead.
Personally, I much prefer the F1's over the Continentals. Look nicer too (which is obviously the most important thing...)!
there is something reto cool about that Eagle F1 logo. Old Skool F1 Schumacher days
Schwalbe Pro Ones TL easy to fit, fast and quite puncture resistant.
I used the last model P Zeros with a tanned sidewall. One emergency braking at low speed was enough to scrub the rubber down to the carcass and I had to replace the tire. It was new, had maybe 200 km on it. Switched to Conti GP5000 and had no such problems, 3.500 km on them, no punctures, no brake patches, no problems. Maybe I just had a bad tire, but it kinda ruined Pirellis for me...
Thank you a valued comparison loved your video and the trouble you went to on behalf of your customers plus.
Recently got some Hurchinson Fusion 11 storm based only on price! (£40 each in 28mm) and they feel as good as any other premium TLR tyre for me, if not a little comfier. Easy to install but i fine the Schwalbe easy too. Only tyres ive struggled with is F1 eagle and they were VERY undersized so were instantly dismissed.
Yup, run Fusion 5 11 Storm on my commuter (30c) and road (28F, 30R) bikes.
May be they are slight slower, but easy to get on and off, good price, very good punture resistance and light too (under 300g).
I rode the Hutchinson 11 Storm Fusion 5 TLR in 28 mm since last year and like that tyre a lot. Not so fast as the Conti 5000 for sure, louder too but very easy to fit on the Giant SLR carbon wheel that came with my 2018 TCR. The Conti was a pita to install on that rim but the Hutchinson was very easy to mount on that rim. Very comfortable ride with the Hutchinson with 5.4 bar at the rear and 5,.2 at the front. As I am sick of the the tubeless setup (main problem: I do not own a electric compressor and will not buy another pump with an air canister?) I switched and now run that tyre with a chinese TPU tube.
Recived yesterday 2 Hutchsions 11 Storm Fusion 5 tube typ in 28mm which are roundabout 220 gramm, cost me 33 € /piece incl. p&p from Condor Cycles Ltd., London to Berlin, Germany and I am happy with that buy as it is hard to get the 28mm online here in Germany. I feel good with that tyres even as I have to ride it according to the sidewall with 6 bar minimum, I will try a lower pressure as 5.7 bar and wait how smooth the tyre will run with that pressure.
@@sportbootjo That's what I did! I bought some Reynolds carbon wheels and tried to get on a GP5000TL (not the newer version) and I thought I was going to break the rim!
I bought the TL version of the Fusion 5 as I was going to run tubeless, but it is only a summer bike so I have some RideNow TPU tubes to fit. Hopefully, the TL version has a little more puncture resistance.
Oh, and I too buy from Condor Cycles. Fantastic shop and top level service from Greg!
I love the P Zero race regular. They are still a good value. The gp 5000 definitely have durability problems, and have for quite some time
I had a very negative experience with Good Year Eagle F1. They're so soft they're useless. I got about 150km from the front and 700km from the rear. I had a separation between the rubber in the tire causing catastrophic failure in the rear. I sent photos, and details to Good Year and they responded that "for a race tire we believe you had adequate life from the tire" so I essentially wasted $240 aud for not even a combined 1000km of riding between the front and rear. They rolled nice while they lasted.
I’ve done about 300km on them now. Can still see the mould line.
No idea what you’re on about with the pro ones, they’re as good as any of the other top tubeless tyres imo, easy to setup, last well, roll well.
Also frequently available at actually decent prices - in the £35 quid range. For tubeless tyres that’s insanely good.
I think I need to try the Pirelli tires again. I have the Conti 5000 and yes they appear to wear out really quick the rear got super flat. I tried the Pirelli with tan sidewalls and those were too flimsy for me I had cuts in the sidewalls after only a couple rides so I will try the all black ones now.
great to see soem real world comparisons rather than product launches or single brand reviews...and those very real roads....interssing also the comments about cornering being the point of most naticable difference. I certainly have had tyres that made me feel less confidence than those they replaced and quickly switched back. Also similar experience with older continentals and Schwalbes. Running veloflex part for price/quality balance for a given overall feel - a little fussy setting up and sealant choice but seems to be holding up well. Have had Pirellis previously so will give these new ones a go in future...
Thank you.
Pirelli’s my favs (I’ve tried quite a lot).. SLs for me have incredible feel… especially important when descending fast.. I love them.
Yeah. For my Mallorca holidays I take SL
With you on Schwable tubeless. Terrible to fit. Also went through a phase of tears in wall at bead that just appeared. Got a replacement once but retailer not happy to do it.
I never thought about it before but I 100% agree with the statement about GP5000s
I don't agree with it...literally have the exact opposite experience.
79 pounds... yikes. I am in the US and get my Pirelli's from LordGun in Italy and got them for less than $50 US and I have them on 4 bikes at the moment. 2 are running the P Zero Race TLR's and they are incredibly long lasting. Both sets are approaching 3K miles at this point. I am running Centurato Gravel H's on 2 bikes... fantastic tires all around. The pirelli's just slide on my rims like butter, never had an issue.
Bought a used bike installed with tubeless GoodYear F1 30 mm - rides nice
I use GoodYear tubetype 28 mm on another bike - very comfy too
Back in 2008 Vredestein was the deal, I don't think newer tires are as "sticky" as those were, but they were 23 mm and needed at least 100 psi preferably 110 psi
I Like the sound my F1's make (previous model). They had the same dust look on the tyre as well. Paid £67 for a pair of the F1s
Am I the only one who has wonderful experiences with GP5000's?! ....they are fast as hell, and I dont think I have ever had a flat on them. Fantastic tire for both training and racing
The current 5000 tubeless seems good, I had a pair of the first 5000 tubeless and they were a bugger to fit, didn't hold air and perished and cracked quickly, so if you buy, make sure it's not old stock.
I 💯agree GP5000 definitely my favourite
I love mine but haven't used anything else but the stock schwalbe tyres I got with my bike. Changing the tyres made a massive performance and feel difference!
@@alexgorton2633 I really liked the schwalbe pro one tubeless, easy to fit, didn't leak at all, but very fragile, I used to live in an area with flint and they cut up easily. I've also used the none pro one with tubes, ok, but I didn't trust them in the wet. Had my front wheel lock up a few times, but this was a good few years ago now and they've probably got better.
Agreed. Superfast only had one flat in 3 years caused by a piece of glass.
Refreshing content considering most in thebindustry goto the rolling resistance site which gives NO tangible “feel” rather focussed on watts. You can’t substitute feel on the road it’s very real but differs between rider weight and preferred pressures….nice review
Your videos make me very jealous of where you live/ride. Work will keep me in Los Angeles for the next 9 years but when I'm ready to relocate, I'll look for places that are near great riding areas.
Paul (great film - more like it please). Interesting weight comparison at the end - and I would be interested in your opinion on one matter.
A new Cont GP5000 tube 28" is 239g and a Tublito tube is 22g - total 261g (I have photos!). This makes set up 122g less than the Pzero + valve + goo (383g - your weight) - The tubeless set up is around 50% more than the tube set up.
Question - for us normal riders, who have to stop (for lights, cars & sheep etc), perhaps 20 times (+) on a 100km ride, how does the rotational inertia of this additional mass (both accelerating and stopping) add up? Surely it must have a noticeable impact on fatigue by the end of the ride?
Oh. Good question. I doubt it would have a noticeable impact on fatigue. Larger rotational mass would require more effort to spin up, but then you would experience a smoother less fatiguing ride, you will likely brake less as you have more confidence to hold speed through bends, you will probably descend faster, and if you get a thorn in your tyre you’ll likely never notice and just keep riding.
I mostly use the conti GPs, I agree the side wall wears out quickly. Entire treads come off. Is this dangerous? Recently I put the Michelin Power TT on my TT bike. Do you know these? they roll well, not so much grip though.
I have one customer on the TT. Tough to compare because not tubeless and at high pressure so they have that effect of feeling fast because it feels like you are on the edge rather than super smooth. They are sketchy in turns as i test ride in the car park. I’m not convinced, but then I haven’t just ridden flat out in a straight line on a smooth road.
Got a gulf size bubble on my Continental TL 5000 sidewall in less than 200 miles. Never going back. Ever.
Given the prices of the top tier, premium tires: what do we think about the Pirelli P Zero Road?
Agree with the flattening off on Contis, the 4000’s did it too.
I’ve run Corsa’s for 6 years and have just moved over to the Corsa Next TLR, I think they are brilliant tyres and think they could be one of the best all rounders on the market. That said, I’ve had 2 x 24mm fail with sidewall leaks so far and a third (28mm) seems problematic in that department although at a much slower rate.
I tend to set myself a limit of £50 a tyre as I buy three at a time, as you said with pricing some of them are getting ridiculous now.
Only tried GP5000 ✅ and Schwable pro one ❌. Would like to try more but prices and availability sucks.
After having tan walled tyres, I wouldn't bother, they look cool, but discolour.. Vittoria Corsas are amazing, that's just my opinion. Can't believe the top of the line tyres are nearly as expensive as car tyres, I feel there's something wrong with the cycling industry on that aspect. What's your thoughts?
Take a look at the price of 3 top end golf balls. 😳
Love PZeros - nothing bad to say about them.
Used to ride GP5000s but I know exactly what you mean about them deteriorating quickly - they ride more harshly and grip less after 2000km.
Conti themselves allude to that, and recommend the 4 Seasons as the more durable choice.
check the new conti 'all season' s tr ...
Was happy with gp5000 tl for tubeless but changed out for the str’s and the wear and puntures have been insane.
At that price doesn’t make sense really
Totally agree with the Pirelli TLR being a step above the rest. Conti's puncture and dont last long, Schwalbe lose air through the tyre walls. The TLR just keep going
You are right about the Schwalbe leaking. We have to rest them sideways in a bucket to key them airtight.
I just found out my PZERO is one of the recall tires, but my local shops are not sure what to do. They only know to return the affected SKU numbers but no information for the customers.
Be patient. Instructions will follow. Product recalls are very common. There are processes.
@@Mapdec thank you
Challenge tires are really a different story. Quite hard to set up tubeless, but the ride quality justifies the struggle. I ride Vittoria N.ext TLR 28 at the moment, I am quite happy with them. I will swap them for Challenge Strada Bianca TLR 30 to ride, well, Strade Bianche Granfondo next year. I think Challenge tires I have previously used (Getaway TLR 40 and Strada Bianca TLR 30, both handmade) have superior puncture resistance.
I have had one of the early pirelli road tires. They are lasting , no flats yet.and I've ben riding them at low pressures, because I'm can be lazy at times. I had the back wheel kick out once and landèd on my butt. I would love get them again but I don't know if I can justify the price. But I still the same tubes in since New.
RE: Noise level a tire produces and relationship to power loss...the assumed linear relationship is very tenuous. A huge amount of that is down to the ability of a compound and carcass to act as a propagator or not. A noisy tire could be effectively propagating audio energy that a competitive tire is absorbing and dissipating as heat.
With an optimal tire resonant characteristic, as little a 500mW could produce the sound level you describe. Piezoelectric devices can and do at that power input.
Havent a problem with the GP5000 wearing down fast, but the roads around here (Netherlands) are much better (smoother) than the one you were riding...
My brandnew Princeton Wake 6560's mounted with the new Pirelli 28mm TLR had 3 massive blowouts in 5 rides. 2 times front, 1 time rear. It was in fact the tire that was mentioned in the call back. Scary stuff, Pirelli's are my favorite by far. Now rolling on GP5000 STR, let's see how they hold over time.
Keep in touch on how long it takes to get your Pirelli’s replaced.
@@Mapdec i did get new 30mm's from the shop I bought the bike off. I guess 28mm's are gonna take awhile
Actually had multiple thousand KMs on both Pirelli’s and F1s. And after all of that experience I’d say… just buy contis, old TLs and S TRs have been special
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@@Mapdec 28s on 303 firecrests sitting about 30s maybe a bit more are great, cornering confidence I didn’t get from F1s especially, p ones good but not found them as confidence inspiring
What would you say are the best high end tyres for running latex tubes? Id rather not be carrying the extra weight of the tlr ones.
Something with relatively stiff sidewalls and puncture protection. The good year might be good. I’d stay away from things like Vittoria Corsa and challenge tyres.
@@Mapdec thank you. I've been running the previous version of vittoria corsa and latex for yonks now on a set of older style bora 50s with 0 punctures on 25mm. but I'm moving to more modern wheels so wasn't sure how to proceed.
I loved the old GP5000 Tubeless ready - had them and didnt have one puncture over the course of 1,5 years of usage - super impressed - got the never GP5000 STR - however they are not on the same level in puncture proctection - already have plugged the tires several times :( So I think I will look at the Good Year Eagle F1 R
never mind the tyres, where's that pretty background!?!
I'm using Conti 5K TLs, before that Vittoria Corsas clincher. Next I will try the Pirellis. The Continentals have been OK so far except for getting the tyres on and off the (carbon) rims which has bordered on impossible. If I have to remove a tyre on the road to fix a flat then I'm done. The Corsas got more punctures but were easier to replace at the side of the road.
This is the Longsleddle valley
@@Mapdec thanks!
I'm sure that you have seen the " No selling" info about the Pirelli P Zero TM Race TLR, hope that everything gets sorted out with these tires. Personally, I like the Vittoria Corsa Next, but all of these and a couple others are in the same ballpark.
Did you get to that part of the video yet?
Eagerly awaiting the P-Zero Race TLR in 700x40c size for rail trail and tow path use. However, the release of this size has been continuously delayed every 2 weeks since January. Any idea or info on when this size may actually be available?
40?
@@Mapdec Yes sir! "P ZERO Race TLR 40-622" from Pirelli's site. The 35/40c sizes were quoted as being available the first quarter of 24.
Looks like MFG part # 4155500.
I've just weighted a brand new Hutchinson Fusion 5 11 Storm TL 30c ... 302g 😀😀😀
I know Paul doesn't like them, but I haven't found a better tyre that I can commute on and smash some weekend rides.
What size? We tried them for a bit when they were a cheaper alternative. As their prices crept up they didn’t compete so well. We also had quite a few delaminating issues. All resolved, but annoying.
@Mapdec I edited my comment, added size and changed emoji 🤣
30c. 28c is 285g
Hi, I've been a big fan of the channel for a while now. I notice you always fit the black Pirelli road tyres; do you have any opinion on how they compare to the classics or even why you don't tend to use the classic tyres? I used to run the Cinturato classics on my commuter (doing a reasonable distance on country roads) but the sidewalls were too fragile and ripping the sidewall = new tyre. I used to run the Challenge Strada tubed back before I went tubeless (not on the commuter of course!) and they were absolutely mind blowingly good (fragile side walls again) I'd highly recommend you give them a review
Thank you. In theory there is no difference with the Pirelli because it’s just a brown layer of rubber. Usually tan side walls were there because it was just the natural colour of the casing. Tubeless tyres bought in the need for fake brown side walls because it was on trend. Remember in the 2010 everyone had coloured tyres 😳. Personally I think the fake brown side walls look a bit naff. Tyres like the Corsa and Challenge in the vid is where the side wall is just natural as the grip element is essentially glued onto the natural cotton or gum casing.
I think you can get either of these tyres for around £50 in the UK. However, I still think that cost is ridiculous when compared to car tyres, or motorcycle tyres, both of which last much longer than bike tyres.
Yeah, I noticed that too with Conti's highly rated motorcycle tires. Google Fortnine's "Best Cheap Motorcycle Tires of 2023" here on TH-cam. My first thought, beyond how competitive they are, is that you get incredibly more product on a motorbike tire than for a pushbike one only a percentage less in price.
Hmmmm.....
You want to pay for my motorcycle tyres £190 for a rear and she goes through 1 a year 😂
@@zedddddful Serves you right for having a ridiculously overpowered bike then.
@mapdec Purchased some P-Zeros based on this. What sealant do you use?
Cafe Latex from Effetto Mariposa.
I rode GP5000 S TR in 32c round the Fred. They were utterly superb and they're the gold standard for me. It's totally subjective without lab testing but I found them (i.e. perceived them to be) grippier and faster than the Pirellis.
Watch 'Bicycle rolling resistance' webside they test tires objective... the test/review here is very bad (oh look made in italy, formula one , so nice bla bla bla...
He say nothing about the new Conti GP All Season or TT s tr version. I have ridden contis for years and they are very good. Gatorskins, 4 season, the 35 mm GP Urban or the cheap ultra sport III... they all very fast durable tires.
I subscribe to their site. It’s useful, but also has lots of holes and omissions. There is a place for both qualitative and quantitative analysis
The fact is most of the pro peloton use Conti or Vitoria for a reason, they are the best.
@@mark13williams13 no doubt the Corsa are the fastest, especially so when you have a team car following when you puncture. Like wise with the GP5000. Easy to love when you get a new set every day. For the rest of us….
@@Mapdec I agree the Corsa’s are not the most durable on British roads but I have been riding GP5000s for ages without issue and they seem to hold up well. Pretty much everyone else I ride with also uses them and rate them highly.
how much sealant do you use with the p Zero?
btw just bought them but mine are made in france?
Wow. That must be some old stock. Remember there was a recall on the 28s. About 30ml
@@Mapdec but I got the yellow pirelli colourway. I thought that was only available on the newest version
Hi you might wanna have Michelin Power Cup a go 😊 been running them for 2 years durability seems to be high.
Maybe I will when they get their ETRTO sizes and pressures in line.
I switched to GP 5000 TLR just to test tubeless and got a flat on my 5th ride that did no seal.
What a beautiful area you live in. I would sure like to ride your region! By the way, I love the pirelli p-zero TLR, but for summer time I’m on the Vittoria Corsa pro
What sealant do you guys recommend for road tires?
Oh that’s can of worms. We use mostly Effetto Mariposa for high pressure, and peatys for low pressure
Very lovely countryside, must be a pleasure to ride in it
I love it so much. On a sunny day there is nowhere I would rather be. However, it rains a lot.
Had 3 punctures in one week with your the Pirelli's,3 times a small stone... So not a big fan.
Just bought the Goodyear's yesterday,very curious 😁
Good video....how far should someone get with a set of new tires in the price range of tires you reviewed? I have used the Corsa Next and the Cont.5000. I like them both but, have only been a few hundred miles on each.
Sorry. There are way too many variables to say. However, I would be disappointed if I got less than a spring, summer, early autumn of riding from a tyre.
The price of some top end tyres is ridiculous, I find Michelin Power Cup really good for value and just picked some up for £25.00 each and some tpu tubes from my mate Ali for about a fiver.
Pirelli just recalled some of the tyres. Still love it
The P-Zero Race TLR has been recalled.
Did u get to that part of the vid?
I'm using the recalled tyre and I found the issues. I can send you the video of it.
That would be interesting. Thank you
It is also important to ride on tires with high rolling resistance on the training rides. Ride Hard!
So I go for a conti gatorskin
Hi Paul. I'm running Goodyear F1 on my TCR ADUANCED 1 with Mavic sr wheels and they are noisy but run good
Thanks for sharing
I'm going to have to try the P Zero, for high speed cornering (I have a lot of unintentional downhill KOMs) I've had good experience with Schwalbe One. For my current training tire, I'm running Michelin Power Cups (technically a race tire, but seems to wear extremely well). I picked the Michelin's up cheap and wasn't expecting much, but they corner better than GP5000s, are fairly comfy and haven't had any summer thorn punctures.
Better than a brand new 5000 or a worn one.
@@Mapdec A worn one. New GP5Ks are really good one you get that initial mold release stuff off, but I find they fall off quickly. Right now I have about 800 miles on the Michelins and don't notice any substantive difference from when they were new.
Fingers crossed the car industry doesn’t work out drivers need tyres
The prices are a con job!
Have you fitted a zipp303s with a goodyear F1 700x25c before? Are they wide enough for the 303?
A 25 on a Zipp 303 would be a bad idea from any brand, unless you weigh well under 70kg. I don’t understand why you would want to do that.
@@Mapdec it is compatible based from sram's website.
@@bikemirror6620 at what pressure?
@@Mapdec i decided to return the tyres. Thanks for pointing that out. But goes back to question gp5000str vs gyF1
@@bikemirror6620 I think the Contis are better fresh out the box for the first few rides, after than they deteriorate quickly. The GY F1r are consistently good though their wear. The ones in the vid now have about 100 hours on them and still looking and feeling good.
Could you explain the difference between P ZERO Road and P ZERO Race? Is the road just more durable?
The compound and liner are different. The road gains durability and puncture resistance, but sacrifices grip and suppleness.
@4:08 its a shame to dismiss Schwalbe... but I think you recognize their niche and acknowledge they have a place. My experience paints them as tires that lean towards the rugged durable side of the market, meaning they may not be fastest or most supple, but there are times when you want a bulletproof tire like Schwalbe.
Aye. I get fed up with all the different models and prices. It’s confusing for everyone. They have so many now that they can’t keep stock and we often find getting a customer a matching replacement quite difficult.
@@Mapdec 100% agree!!
I agree was looking at them recently and couldn’t decipher which was their equivalent tyre to the ones I currently ride. It’s even more confusing when you see tyres listed for sale that don’t appear to be listed on their website 🤔
fastest tiers ive tried were the Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport R Clincher, grippy and fast durable they where not. Fun while they lasted. Quite they were not used with latex tube they rang like nothing else. Gp 5000 str, they might not be best at any one thing they are a know entity that are fairly reliable they are fast plenty grippy and last. Sure the tread Crazes little but all tiers do the same some more than others. Corsa pro's were nice but on wider rims they show'd to much side wall to the road, once the release the 29mm versions illl give them ago, they should mate up well to my reveres nicely. Currently the gp 5000's are the only ones iv found that specifically state they will work with 25mm IW rim's
If cornering and speed are important requirements then it would make sense to look at what Safa Brian is riding on his downhill videos.
In my opinion and personal experience the weight difference of a Conti GP5000 28C clincher + Ridenow TPU tube (or similar) is SIGNIFICANT compared to the P-Zero + tubeless setup mentioned in this video. To be precise 111gr per wheel so 222 gr total and this is rolling weight. If you compare a high-end wheelset which is 222gr lighter than another high-end wheelset the price difference will be almost 2x. Thanks but I will stick to my trusted and tested GP5000+TPU tube setup for the foreseeable future until the bike industry force me to convert to tubeless.
We did tpu in the twenty teens, but seems like there is a resurgence of interest now China make the tubes cheaper. Might do a follow up vid.
I bought some specialized turbo cottons from specialized concept store. I've been really careful with them and they've pretty much punctured on every ride - now the rear tyre has a gash in it 😂 nightmare
Be interested to see your take on the new S-Works Mondo tyres - they look sweeeeet as an all road tyre.
Specalised don’t make tyres. They rebadge and change the grip pattern from tyres made by Cheng Shin, Velo flex and Vittoria. I don’t pay them any attention because the whole rebranding process just annoys me.
@@Mapdec is cheng shin the vietnamese factory owned by their “japanese partner”…. (as per spesh propaganda/marketing)
@@Mapdec I did some sleuthing. Cheng Shing Tyres (CST) is the parent company to Maxxis. According to Spesh, they built their own tyre factory in Vietnam, with a Japanese partner called “innerware” - starting with MTB 7 or 8 years ago. I think anything s-works level is made there, and gripton is their own compound suite.
Just me riding Specialized S-Works Turbo clinchers? Not the cottons. Maybe not as fast as some others but good wear, grip and puncture resistance for real world riding.
Good old Cheng Shin Tires. They do a lot of OEM stuff. Personally I like original brands doing what they do best.
@Mapdec last pair I bought were £18 each in 26mm. Could get 2 pair cheaper than 1 P Zero. Gone up a bit now with the new version.
I have a pair of P Zero Race TLRs 26mm on my bike and they are very nice tyres.
I have a pair of gp5000 and hated them. 2 puntctures in the front and 1 in the back tire in just one ride made me so embarrassed I had to ditch them at just 4000k.
I have two pairs of Grandprix GT and they have never puncture since 2020 at 7000k each. They are a pain to fit, they WILL Destroy flimsy tire levers, they don't have good RR, but the confidence that you won't be ditched is priceless
I'd love to have a pair of Pirelli's but they don't have a distributor in my country 😢.
I love the PZero as well, easiest to mount, rolls super smooth, but expensive. But if you check the online shops regularly, you can find good offers from time to time. Then it's the right moment to order the next 2 or 3 sets. I wonder ow your rate the P7. I found it a big disappointment. Stiff and not very durable.
We don’t stock the P7. The best tyre in that range is probably a continental gator skin or vittoria Zaffoino
@@Mapdec Good decision. Same brand, but not at all an adequate product. It's better to spare your customers the disappointment. For my everyday commuting I found the Continental Ultra Sport III unexpected good. Very cheap (in Germany) but ok.
Can you test the Michelin Power Cup. Ive just swapped to them qnd find them waaaay better than the Schwarble
Maybe one day.
@@Mapdec 🫡
I find them to be brilliant and a lot cheaper
Wanted to pass along, I believe there is a stop sale notice on the Pirelli P Zero Race Series of tires. Check out video posted by George Vargas. As a shop owner and doing comparison videos you should be aware of this and keep customers informed
did you get to that part of the vid?
i run Schwable pro ones, never have an issue fitting them to my mavic wheels, easiest set up i have used. guess have just been lucky getting the tyre and rim combo
Yes. That’s a very unusual combo to work well.
Great video and helpful comments and others experience. What about Michelin , Schwalbe and Tufo tires?
For endurance i use Pirelli Cinturato 35mm, they are very good and for speed with friends i use Tufo 28mm, also very good comfort and speed
It would be a very very long video.
@@Mapdec All your followers love your videos, even long ones 😀
I’m a Pirelli advocate but loved the Cinturato Velo for all year but just found them a bit heavy rolling. Just changed to the PZero Road 28’s with TPU tubes and at £60 for the set they seem to be a match made in heaven for me. Come with new puncture technology and Roll really nice and feel supple under foot😉 I’ve noticed some extra speed. Not sure I’m ready for tubeless on the road bike just yet.
Thanks for sharing!
Have you ridden the P-Zero Road in the wet yet? I’ve found mine to be a bit slippery. Not exactly confidence inspiring.
@@mattdowney6540 yes. Many many many many times.
@@mattdowney6540 hi Matt, I’ve been out on mine 3 times, got caught in a horrible downpour a couple of weeks back and have had damp roads at the beginning of a ride twice. Glad to say I’ve not had any issues as to them feeling dodgy.
How heavy was the elastic band? 😆
It’s a great and important question.