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Keep advocating for that 0W-20 and this is the results, soon or later you'll find chunk of you piston that is missing, I wonder why?
I definitely talk about injectors all the time, very normal
Finally someone is making the B58 community aware of this. It specifically applies to DI turbo engines like the B58. I bring it up every time someone asks for oil recs. API SP only for me. Also keep in mind some oil additives, like liquimoly ceratec, have high levels of calcium that contribute to LSPI as well.
😱 I put that shit in my engine last oil change! I had no clue
@@SomethingSomething1337 I've used it previously with no ill effect til i knew better. You'll never really know how it's doing unless your getting oil analysis done. This is a good video on why not to use additives
th-cam.com/video/CAGT5inQScE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NFCT6CEbPUh5fTko
Just downshift. You’ll never have to worry about lspi
What I am hearing you say is always drive in sport mode and get an xhp transmission tune, done!! 😂
Thanks though your work is not going unnoticed. This channel is a staple of mine; it's great for research
We also need to talk about Complete fuel system cleaners with Poly Ether Amine. It the fuel cleaner doesn’t have Poly Ether Amine then it is useless. Keep them injectors clean, don’t lug the engine, don’t use oil that has calcium in it, try to stick with oils that are certified to work with your engines.
The GR Corolla also suffered from this LSPI catastrophic failure.
The failure is so bad that it blew a huge hole in the engine block!
LSPI has been linked to high Calcium levels in the engine oil. If you're using LL-01 or some other older spec oil, those oils have much higher Calcium levels than a modern SP synthetic oil.
Also certain oil additives have high calcium levels . . . like liquimoly ceratec!
what about Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40? this is rated as API SP and at the same time meets the ll-01 spec
@@maxgnarnagealso if you are adding oil additives, you are essentially “watering down “ your oil and reducing the oil life. Shorter oil life=not as much protection. Just stick with BMW standards.
@@540irwd Only way to know is by oil analysis by Blackstone or SPEEDiagnostix. Might be able to find a TH-cam video by someone who has had their Pennzoil Euro analyzed. Some European oils are really high in Calcium.
@@540irwdsame story with castrol edge euro. you’ll be fine!
Thanks for the video. So basically with a bigger turbo that spools at f.e ~ 3700 rpm vs. the stock turbo that comes in full boost at ~ 2500 rpm, I'm less prone to have that problem. And I use PEA fuel additive from time to time, always high quality fuel (RON 102 EU / 95 octane US) and API SP 5W30 oil. So it's about time I order my bigger turbo, only to prevent LSPI, of course. 😂
I wonder how true this is, might have just convinced me a pure turbo is the best reliability upgrade for my 440 😂
@@o-oo-oo-o3234 It's just a guess from my side but LSPI occours mostly in a low revs up to 2000 rpm with high load. So on the stock turbo, from around 1500 rpm (pedal at 100 %) you feel the boost building and at 2000 rpm it starts to go pretty nicely already.
With a big turbo, it should be like completely dead up to 2500 rpm or so which means there is not much load at all at 1500 to 2000 rpm (engine runs basically like a natural aspirated one). So the load will be a lot less in that rev range AND I would clearly not be trying to accelerate in that rev band anyway.
I could even reprogram the gear shifts with XHP so that the engine is in the 2000 to 2500 rpm rev band when I want a little bit of acceleration instead of 1500 to 2000 rpm where I have "only" like the 300 Nm (~ 220 ft-lbs) of torque from the N/A engine.
You say don't lug the engine by pushing down on the gas while at a low engine speed. One thing I found on another video if you hold the left (-) paddle switch on the steering wheel for a few seconds it downshifts the trans and rev matches the engine so you can do this instead of guessing what gear to use to accelerate and avoid lugging the engine. I have a 2023 M340 and it works on my car. It is really cool the way it rev matches for the down shift. Hold the - paddle for a few seconds then punch it and hold on cuz it's a b58 engine. For what it is worth.....
Honestly, with all the new small engines with turbos, now is the better time than ever for amsoil. I believe even their oe line boasts 100% LSPI protection iirc. Though it's probably got some caveat to that claim. I'm glad I went with a non turbo Forester as ever since I read about lspi a few years ago I've been nothing but paranoid for others
Engineering explained has a great video on oil and lspi great video definitely recommend watching
I shared the Engineering Explained video about LSPI in a B58 group a long time ago and no one wanted to talk about it. 😂
Thanks for the information. In Europe I never checked the API certification, only LL-04 oil. I just see even my BMW original Twin Turbo 0w30 bottle for N55 is API SN only. Shell 5w30 and 0w30 the same. One of the Liqui Moly is API SP on their website, the two others SN only.
I'm from Germany and I use "Aral Super Tronic K" 5W30 in my B58, it has API-SP and BMW LL04.
Thanks for the great info as always Kevin. Good advice on the lugging, it was something I was taught 25+ years ago and it irks me how the stock turbo makes so much torque low down. Not only as it's not how I like torque to be delivered across a revband, but also for the damage it can do. I'd love to be able to DIY tune my OTS map myself, or create my own custom meaps. Maybe I should look into.....
This has also got me thinking about what oil should go in at it's next service. I'm sure I've watched a vid you did on it already, but I have zero memory so I'll go find and re-watch it LOL
Again, you do this community a great service man 💪👊👍👍
Back in 2017 when this started happening people called me stupid for saying that oil chemistry is causing the abnormal preignition with di engines. It's also not just "low engine speed" but also midrange can occur under certain conditions. TLDR is that taking calcium out is good in this case if you substitute with other detergents.
I'll also say one more thing that people say now I'm "eating dog sjht": Premium gas, especially on DI engines, has a massive impact ( good as in low ) on engine bore wear. The volume of gas mixed in the ring lang area with oil is huge on DI engines and a good gas will actually change your oil analysis iron content change to change :)
Main cause of LSPI, too spicy tune at region of max BMEP 2,500-4,000rpm, or flooring it a lot in that rpm range. Bad quality gas, and engine oil with too much calcium detergents.
Only semi-related but it’s interesting to hear that calcium and magnesium have somewhat antagonistic roles in LSPI, as they have a similar relationship (physiologically speaking) at the neuromuscular junction
Another Kernel (.dll?)of wisdom from the man, the myth, the legend. Good info to know
I first started hearing about this with the 2.3 Ecoboost engines. Nothing in this world is free
Great video man again my guy 📹
MOTOR OIL GEEK talks about that a lot.
I thought the knock sensor would have controlled this?
I try to use ESSO 99 with 2X detergents in, you can smell the cleaner and octane when you fill up.
Amsoil signature Series.
Lspi was only found in low displacement engines. Do to lugging. Why you should never put a load on the motor at low rpm and and high gear.
0w-20 API SP is the only weight I can find that is SP and is LL certified 🤷🏻♂️
My BMW dealer is doing my oil change for less than I pay for just the oil…..
Would you say running e40 would also maintain a cleaner fuel system similar to those additives?
Injectors went out on my b58 and flooded the engine with gas and lots of metal in oil
Just checked castrol 5w30m and that has the sn-plus rating. The 5w30LL has the sn rating. Might be the reason why bmw does not approve the LL version anymore.
You mentioned being in low RPMs and hitting full throttle, I do that to initiate slides, and also feather the accelerator, which actually backfired and doesn’t let me continue the drift. it feels like it cuts all the power when I start feathering it.. especially since I do not have an lsd. Do you believe this will create big problems for me down the line as I am drifting/sliding the car more frequently. I do let it warm up, ride around, before doing it. Anything that you suggest I can do to prevent any damage…?
I do notice my B58 powered X3 “lugs” the engine way more than my F10 550i.
Perhaps that lugging combined with wrong oil is causing these LSPI issues?
Another great video… Thanks!
good to know thanks Kern
Valvoline is the way to go
USE AMSOIL SIG SERIES OIL no more issues.
So which oil do you recommend, currently running Pennzoil euro spec
I bought some genuine BMW oil from the bmw dealer and on the bottle it’s only API SN
0-20?
thoughts on the 0W20 Top Tec 6600 for the b58? it has the API SP rating through FCPEURO
It meets the BMW LL 17 spec. I use it on my b48.
@zzafari7 yes 0w20 6600 toptec i just changed one week ago in my x3 M40I. The norm is the most important LL17FE so 0w20. We Can use Also 0W30 Toptec 6100 LL12FE. 5w30 LL04 i absolutly don't advise. Components inside motor particulary Solenoïd of vanos Can make failure. So 0w20 interval 8000km and 💪🏻🔥😎
It's what I went with along with Cera Tec per Kies recommendation. I ordered it, so I will change the oil in a few days.
What’s the best way to keep track of knock events? I always keep an eye on the “Condition for detected knockers” on BimmerLink dashboard while I’m driving around, this value is always zero (which I think it’s good) but is there a better way?
Edit: can you share a link to your 0w30 Liqui Molly? I could not find it for my last oil change
The SP classification means nothing.
Calcium level is the key!!!
You only get SP certified if the calcium level is low in the oil and you pass the LSPI test.
Would this affect n54/55 platforms as well or just b58? I’d say to always downshift or have rpms at least 3k before doin pull
Hey bro question cuz I feel like you’d know, would I be able to put F30 bc coilovers on f32? If it’s same bolt on top
Great video!
What about API SL?
That is a VERY old specification from 2001. Before API SP there was API-SN PLUS (also LSPI tested), before that API SN, API SM and before that API SL. I would definitely not use such a old spec oil in a B58.
Uhhh my tuner likes 2000rpm full throttle pulls
And don't run the car with low fuel tank. Bmw says in the manual it can cause damage to the engine and believe me it's true !
I feel like the average person should just use OEM BMW Oil
0w-30 specialtec foreva
LSPI is also caused by not using the right oil for Direct injection cars. As I’ve seen an Audi s5 in our workshop that suffered from LSPI due to wrong oil being used. FA20 Subaur engines suffer from this massively
My bone stock Forester XT threw a rod at 58k miles despite using the proper oil and changing it earlier than recommended 😂 FA’s are just garbage engines.
@@busterscrugs have seen this too. I’ve personally see 2 engine with cracked ringlands completely stock
Wouldn’t surprise me lol
Is this on the b58 gen 1 or gen 2?
Both, even the B58TU1 has a little bit less compression ratio (10,2:1 instead of 11,0:1), they are still both in danger. But not as much as f.e. a 1.2 liter turbo engine.
Is motul 5w-40 8100 xcess one of these bad oils?
On website it says it meets API SP, but on bottle says API SN ??
@@Starscream8896i use the same thing. Curious
Currently using amsoil 0w30 signature, but ive just changed my turbo to a hybrid one (daw flowmax v2.5). Should i go a higher viscosity?
I use 5w30 C3 mobil 1 ?
Acea C3. API SP
This bro keep changing different types oil in his videos just for content 😂…….
Fuel wise. I almost always use Costco gasoline. They essentially have the cheapest TopFuel certified gas.
BP actually is not topfuel certified.
Marathon and a few other brands are.
Great info! I will be changing to Toptec 6600 based on this video.
That’s crazy, I decided I’m going to change my oil this morning and bought liqui-molly top tech because I’m putting a flash tune on it as I just got the ecu back and unlocked and thought some fresh fluids wouldn’t hurt. I also got Cerma tech additive because kies motorsports swears by it.
I use m1 0w-40 and at 72k miles it’s been pretty good to me
i use costco gas, there's a station 5 minutes from my house, saw a recent dyno video that compares gas and costco was included, it showed 7HP less compared to shell, car was making around 300HP avg, my buddies always told me to stay away from costco gas, i started thinking they were right but now that i know that costco uses additives i'll keep using it :]
costco gas has top tier gas certification, it can be trusted.
The main difference between Cosco, Chevron and Shell is the amount and types of detergents. There is a federal minimum amount of detergents but it is abysmal. This is not really going to affect hp but it does affect engine longevity.
Stay away from bad ⛽️ fuel
Use Amsoil signature you’ll never have a problem
Staying away from BMW engines also helps.
All GDI turbo engines from all manufacturers are susceptible to LSPI. You knew that though 😂
@@busterscrugs Any injected engine is susceptible to LSPI. But some actually exhibit it in real life and others do not.
Staying away from idiot like you helps too like a lot.
Injectors went out on my b58 and flooded the engine with gas and lots of metal in oil
Damn … what did you need to get repaired?