The hobo who fell out of the sky is clearly Saruman, and he will harbor a life long disdain for hobbits because they annoyed him so much when he first landed.
I actually predict it's one of the Blue wizards. Tolkien wrote in one of his last letters that the blue wizards were instrumental in Sauron's defeat, inspiring resistance, while the other three were third age exclusives. While I'm here I actually kinda like the second episode, I like the relationship between Durin and Elrond, and while absolutely non canonical, the harfoots are less terrible than I anticipated. I'd like to see where this goes before solidifying my opinion. I'm skeptical, but I expect it to be a mixed bag.
Galadriel is a princess of the Noldor, her father is Finarfin the youngest son of the High King of the Noldor Finwe. She shouldn’t be bullied, additionally they are living in Aman a literal paradise where weapons don’t even exist yet. Not to mention it sound very un-elvish Also Galadriel should be familiar with death. Elves died in Beleriand on their journey to Aman, were slain by the servants of Melkor and her own grandfather’s first wife Míriel died* after giving birth to her uncle Feanor Also the piling of the helmets (skulls in the lore) is something done by the Orcs to celebrate their victory in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears. The way Finrod dies in the book is he succumbs to his wounds after wrestling and defeating a werewolf while escaping the dungeons of Sauron in order to save his human friend Beren. Previously he had lost a magical singing duel with Sauron which resulted in said capture Also it should be noted that elves don’t really die. Their bodies might be destroyed but their souls travel back to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor where after time they may be rebodied and rejoin their kin. Elves have no fear of death, they know what happens. She married Celeborn in the First Age and spend the early Second Age traveling and dwelling in Lindon and Eregion. Here she councils her cousin Celebrimbor not to trust Annatar (Sauron in disguise) and latter receives one of the the elven rings. There is no mention of her directly playing a role in the War of Elves and Sauron or the War of the Last Alliance though she was a member of first White Council. Sauron after refusing to submit to the judgment of the Valar fled into middle earth. For 500 years he remained hidden, possibly even only as a spirit as Sauron is one of the Maiar don’t have to remain “bodied”. In 500 SA he begins to stir and corrupt the men of the south and East. In 1000 fearing the growing power of Numenor begins the constructing of Barad-Dur and in 1200 takes the form of Annatar to start the ring scheme. Also a Maiar Sauron cannot permanently die, his incarnated body can be destroyed but his spirit is truest immortal. Even at the end of the Return of the King when the ring is destroyed Sauron isn’t dead, he doesn’t suffer a cessation of exists he is instead reduced to a powerless shade, a nameless voice on the wind. Galadriel is an elf of great power both in the seen and unseen worlds as one who has dwelt in the blessed land beneath the trees before the creation of the Sun and Moon. She was tutored by several of the lords and ladies of the Valar in their arts and was the handmaiden of the Maiar Melina in the First Age. I wouldn’t be adverse to her being able to *see* the remnants of dark sorcery or have glimpses of foresight, but it’s have to be something set up. Sauron doesn’t need a mark for Orcs to follow, he can call them to him magically. He is the heir of their creator and master and the current dark lord of arda Galadriel is actually under the Doom of Mandos because of her defiance of the Valar and the Kinslaying at Alqualondë. She is not allowed to return across the Sea to Valinor and if she dies under the Doom she is not allowed to leave Mandos’s Halls rebodied and must remain there until the Doomsman says her penance is fulfilled. The wars between Morgoth and the Elves and the War of Wrath took place in Beleriand not Middle Earth Her brother his chilling in Aman right now with their dad and mom Galadriel will be Elrond’s Mother-in-Law * Feanor in the process of being born consumed too much of her “spirit” to the point where living was too much of a weariness and her spirit willingly left her body to reside in the Halls of Mandos. Interestingly her body is still their tended to by the handmaidens of the Valar Lorien so it would not wither. Ironically the only reason the rest of the descendants of Finwe exist is because Miriel refused to be re-bodied and Finwe was then granted a special dispensation by the Valar themselves to remarry.
@@possiblepuzzles8137 the thing that annoys me most is they tried to make this without having the rights to the Silmarillion. There were plenty of other stories they could have told like the Wars of Arnor and Angmar or the kin-strife in Gondor and they would have had full access to all the material and much more wiggle room to be “creative”.
Great comment. I have to nit pick and say that Beleriand is in Middle Earth. Middle Earth is the entire continent. Eru makes new ones after the Akallabeth, but before that, there are only Aman and Middle Earth. Beleriand is like Eriador or Rhovanion, it is the name of an area of land. But Beleriand does not exist in the current map (apart from Lindon and the Ered Lindon, which technically is part of that realm. Also the isle of Himling is the top of the hill of Himring that held the fortress of Maedhros. And Tol Morwen and Tol Fuin are remnants of Beleriand. That said, your comment is an impressive catalogue of knowledge and I thank you for posting it. Many people blindly neglect the information here and say "they only have rights to the appendices, not the Silmarillion" to which I reply that the appendices actually contain all the information you might need. They would know this if they had ever read it! Most of what you posted here is actually mentioned in the book or the appendices and there would be no need to complain about the Silmarillion if they had just carefully gone through them. You could reference the Silmarillion to get an understanding of some of the more obscure passages, but enough is there to make a coherent story. The fall of Numenor is expounded in great detail. The war of the Elves and Sauron is also quite thoroughly discussed. The founding of the Kingdoms in Exile i.e. Arnor and Gondor are also detailed, as is the war of the Last Alliance and its consequences. The rise and fall of Moria is discussed in detail, and the expansion of the kingdom to the western wall of the mountains of mist.
What pisses me off is that they took an established character in Galadriel and totally retconned her. Her whole story arc that ended in LOTR was started in the Second Age, but not at all in the way that the show has changed. She came to Middle Earth and STAYED in Middle Earth because she wanted a kingdom of her own to rule. Her reasons weren't to hunt down evil, or to avenge a lost family member. It was literally ego and arrogance that brought her to Middle Earth. She was searching to start a kingdom of her own. And in the end of LOTR she "proved herself" by denying The Ring from Frodo. She says it herself. She'd go back to Valanor as Galadriel, not as some massive ruler of Middle Earth. She dinally had this opportunity and she turned it down. She grew as a person and a character and finally felt at peace. And a lot of the Elves in Middle Earth weren't ALLOWED to go back to Valanor because of their betrayal in going to Middle Earth in the first place. Eventually some of them were forgiven and allowed to return back. She was one of the people allowed to return back but it wasn't for any of the stupid shit she did in the show. Then she TURNED IT DOWN because she wanted to stay in Middle Earth for the same reasons I stated before. Not because she was on some stupid mission. She was flawed and in LOTR she regained her balance and completed her arc. This show just fucking ruins all that. I just HATE that they had a good story of the Second Age already written down but because they could afford to buy the rights to the Silmarilion or whatever. They don't even explain Valanor or the First Age correctly. The literal ground and earth was damaged in the First Age because it wasn't just Elves going to fuck up Morgoth, it was the fucking Miar and Valar. Literal gods and angels. They were so powerful that their battles ruined the damn planet LOL. Now that shit is epic, with MASSIVE dragons and dozens of Balrogs. Imagine Sauron but 100 times more powerful and that's Morgoth. Not just one of the most powerful beings in the world, THE MOST POWERFUL other than the Creator of life itself. Now imagine what it would take to destroy that thing. God, all this cool lore just down the fucking drain.
Galadriel in the books is “problematic” because a strong woman ruling the world with absolute power, dominating all other people, must be a good thing. Galadriel rejecting absolute girl boss status goes against the woke worldview.
Christ... That sounds so good. If the show was more like what you described and not like the garbage Amazon turned it into, I would watch that. Gods, angels, and elves fighting against the armies of Morgorth, huge monstrous dragons, BALROGS?? Sign me up! Fuck this show. I NEED TO READ THE BOOKS, SERIOUSLY.
"Evil does not sleep. It waits." Haha, I cannot bring myself to believe that the scriptwriters were unaware that that is a variation of an old Chuck Norris joke.
Nah, they probably thought how brilliant that line is because she pretty much schooled the person she told this to. I do not remember whether it was Elrond cosplayer or who. But she told him! She has so much wisdom! She is.. Joan de Arc.. I mean "Ga-LadRiÉL"
Timestamps 0:00 Singing 0:46 Metal's Adventures 2:30 Current Plans For The Future 11:30 Is Efap Supporting Bad Movies 27:00 It Begins 29:39 Bizarre Metaphors 43:15 Lore Dump 47:33 The Helmet Pyramid 54:09 Sauron 56:16 The Frozen Mountain 1:25:04 Battle Time in a FantaShe Show 1:35:05 Going Home 1:36:36 HardFoots 1:41:55 Elrond (1) 1:43:59 Hardfoots, Wolves & Berries 1:45:19 Elrond (2) 1:48:02 A Vacuous Show 1:50:20 Elves For Everyone! 1:52:25 Galadriel 2:05:46 Sadoc 2:07:54 Stank People & The Hot Girl 2:12:45 The Elf & The Lady 2:15:30 The Elf & The Man 2:17:32 War Is Over 2:21:12 The Elf, The Man & The Cow 2:25:13 The Sauron Sword 2:26:02 Galadriell 2:27:38 Elves That Don’t Look Like Real Elves 2:32:11 Back to Black 2:35:15 Galadrielll & The Comet 2:40:27 The Unconventional Fire 2:42:22 The Odd Case 2:50:37 The Timeline 2:52:12 The Title Sequence 2:55:00 Episode II 2:58:24 The Fall 3:00:28 A Bizarre Choice 3:01:25 A Good Meme 3:01:49 The Festival & Lack Of Engagement 3:05:14 A Wierd Exchange 3:08:01 The Elf & The Elfriend 3:11:16 Elves: From Eregion to Khazad Dum 3:17:05 Rags Has Dwarf Problems & Theories 3:20:34 Exposition Time & The Lack Of Events 3:23:23 Nori & The Starman 3:30:23 Galadriellll in The Water 3:38:20 Elrond And The Dwarfs 3:55:16 Galadrielllll And The Guy 3:57:24 The Human Village 4:01:40 Back to Elfirend 4:04:33 Horror Of The Rings 4:09:54 Galadriellllll In The Storm 4:13:04 Hardfoots & The Spaceman 4:15:00 The Episode Fades Away 4:19:35 A Really Good Impression 4:21:23 Opinions On An Apathetic Scale 4:33:44 Fringy’s POV 4:38:16 Rags’ PTSD 4:38:55 It’s not over 4:39:56 Superchats (1) 4:57:09 Metrics 4:58:47 Superchats (2) 5:00:53 Hemingway Iceberg Theory 5:02:44 Superchats (3) 5:05:45 Hate-Watching 5:07:28 Games Business 5:11:55 Superchats (4) 5:12:58 Halo Update 5:24:47 Superchats (5) 5:34:57 At the end of the day 5:36:38 Ancient Gods 5:38:29 EFAP Micro: Astronomy 5:52:03 Superchats (6) 6:06:53 Pokemon 6:14:00 Closing Time
27:47 "It will not float, _it will sail."_ _-The floating _*_CGI_*_ paper boat_ 2:05:46 Our super smart black elf deserves every bigoted insult he gets. Don't ever spoil a public chess game. Seriously. Fuck that guy.
It’s like they didn’t know how to capture the ethereal feel of the elves in the books or Jackson’s trilogy so they just slathered more grime on the humans for comparison.
This is so fucking funny as someone that was online when the trilogy released. People fucking hated Hugo as Elrond, and the Elves in general were thought of as ultra-cliche. Time is a flat circle.
Elves being bullies just shows how much the writers don't care in the slightest about the traits of the races that inhabit Tolkien's world. It would be like having Orcs being really thoughtful and kind. There is one silver lining of this show. It made me want to cleanse myself by going back and reading The Silmarillion again. And no, it's not the new "updated" one with God Queen Galadriel on the cover in shining, immaculate armor.
The suggestion that people's personality traits is based on their race is very sussy indeed my dude. That fascist belief may very well have been acceptable to people in ye olden days of British colonialism, but this is the 21st Century, bucko. Keep the past in the past. That's what Gullgutten says today!
@@NotoriousLightning so, elves do literally have different personality traits based on their biology. They are almost always patient, and thats because they are biologically immortal. And if elf children did bully, it probably wouldn't be in the way that human children do. Feanor is literally one of the most notable elves in the Silmarillion BECAUSE he acts like a typical neurotic bully. He's an exception. And the assertion that Elves and Humans have different traits based on biology isn't fascist. It's fantasy, dude, that is literally a fact of the universe in Lord of the Rings.
@@visperad541 Exactly. Elves aren’t a “race”, they’re a “species”. Being functionally immortal, they have a very different mindset from humans, and they just are patient and calm in comparison to humans because except for lunatics like Feanor, even the most rash and impulsive elf is operating on a time scale of decades and centuries, not days and weeks.
@@NotoriousLightning Someone doesn’t think evolutionary biology applies to humans. Lol. So, you’re telling me that groups of humans that were separated by not only thousands of miles, but thousands of years are going evolve to be almost identical in every way? Lol, I truly don’t understand this post-modernist bullshit mindset. Groups of humans have differences between them. The demarcations aren’t as clear-cut as white, black, yellow, red, etc, but there are differences and it isn’t just down to skin color and height. That’s all we’re saying. We’re not saying that some groups are better or worse. We’re just saying that they have interesting, unique, and subtle differences.
I absolutely support not hate-watching the show if it's bad; but EFAP and critics are the guys who SHOULD be watching it. You guys scout the territory, let the rest of us know what it's like, and if it's bad THEN we don't watch it even to laugh at it.
Ironic really. They're "reviewers." Emphasis on the words *"view"* and *"re-".* There's a time and place for boycotts and activism, but every piece of media deserves fair critique. An objective breakdown of the show's merits regardless of its cultural or political significance. Critics have to *view* and *re-view* a product to properly do their job. I get it. Amazon is acting scummy on a man's work and I hope they feel even a smidge of shame, I get it. But let's allow a fair bit of open, neutral ground here. Also, I don't want to give these showrunners the satisfaction of calling themselves "martyrs to the alt-right waycist brigade". They're not activists, they're hacks. They can't do their jobs right, so they compensate by fighting strangers on Twatter. No, if they're gonna get fired, they're gonna get it specifically because they're shit at writing.
Amazot don't like it too much the plebs giving them bad reviews, so they turned them off. The Customer Is Always Right eh? Not during these monopolistic days.
After they fucked up Wheel of Time I had trouble finding the crowd that saw the flaws, I ended up watching tons of Shads commentary on it because it was nice to hear that someone else saw what I saw
Shad fake fits and theatrics are exhausting, plus the dude is rather dumb. Disparu is way, way better. (Dude likes Twilight and thinks Stephanie Myers is a writer...but then, he uses AI for most of the "Art" he "creates")
Can't wait to listen to 4 guys talk about a show I won't even glance at. It's really fun. Saves me the time of embarrassing myself and this is wayyyy more entertaining than that trash.
Exactly! I decided to give the first episode an objective view and proceeded to cringe a loooooot. Many wtf? moments. Sad thing is it sort of kinda had potential as anything other than LOTR. Still pretty bad though
Something that immediately pissed me off was the way they showed Finrod being killed by Sauron. It's supposed to be a battle of song and magic only for Finrod and Beren being captured. Sauron sends a wolf to kill Beren and Finrod breaks out of his chains to beat the wolf to death with his bare hands while receiving a deadly wound saving his friend. It's a badass story.
Almost as if they should have spent their dumb budget on adapting that story, you know, the one that was already written by one of the greatest writers to ever live...
@@TeutonicKnight92 Thats something Ill never get. They got the rights to the setting, they got the rights to make things in the setting, but somehow they didn't get the rights to tell the setting as it was?
from the perspective of a sailor.... her going into the water is a nigh death sentence. she's far from land so that water is COLD. and water naturally sucks the heat from your body. she won't die of thirst, she'll die of hypothermia in a few hours or just lose all the energy in her body and drown. also you're not swimming anywhere with that current. you wouldn't even be able to tell where you are. you couldn't navigate.
Yeah, that was one of the dumbest things I've seen so far in the show. Jumping into an open ocean with long clothes and a hunk of steel is a fast way to die. But hey if elves can walk on snow maybe they are also very bouyant and can tread water for like a week. Regardless, not a brilliant decision. I was hoping the raft people would be cannabalistic. It would be dark af if they pulled her on to a raft and there was blood on the wood and that leads to something covered hidden in the corner of the raft would be some good tension.
Yup, unlike cold air, water gets direct contact with the skin, where as the air will have to slowly sap the heat away as the body's natural oily-layer on top of the skin helps insulate, the natural heat the body radiates also helps combat cold air, etc. But water just, as you mention, suck the heat from the body. Most likely in a few minutes only if VERY cold.
But elves are super special though.... Jk her swimming all the way is stupid but navigation would be fairly easy since it's basically Minecraft rules at the point of geological history
And another line in the show that bothered me was Celebrimbor talking about the dwarves working stone "with the love one shows in caring for aged parent." At this point in History, no elf has ever had an aged parent to care for. Maybe they witnessed it in humans... but there is no way he could relate well enough to attatch reverence to it. Especially Celebrimbor... who has pretty much lived in that workshop for 100s of years. Celebrimbor's actor was too old to play him even. Elves don't get elderly for a long long long time. Elrond was middle aged in Fellowship... after like what, 6000 years? In the 2nd age, they should have all looked like 26 year old long haired blonde Swedish kids. Idk whats up with all these short hair cuts, elves were all about their long hair. And how did Token get that killer fade?
Strictly speaking, Elrond only looked middle-aged because he spent so long being indecisive about whether or not he was an Elf or a Man. As he was born of both his spirit had to make a choice as to which he belonged (as half elves cannot remain as such and must choose between the two.) Elrond eventually choose to embrace his elven half and abandon his other half, but the weariness of years imparted upon his self by that blood took a permanent toll on him, making him aged and frail compared to other elves.
Where tf did you get the blonde swedish kids from? The only explicitly blonde elves are the Vanyar who all live in Valinor and Galadriel. Afair Noldor are described as dark haired
@@fips4595 hyperbole for the sake of flair lol. I know there's brunette elves. Elrond has dark hair. In Jackson's trilogy, most of the elves we see are the platinum blonde straight long haired Lorien elves.
@@gwoody4003 those aren't the elves that were dominant in the first and second age though. I suppose I'm a bit jumpy because of all the idiots complaining about black elves
@@fips4595 Where did black elves come from? I have not read every scrap of Tolkien's writings. Cus ethnicity is directly correlated with geographic location and environment over 1000s of generations. I may be ignorant of a small snippet of lore that explains how an isolated population from a single location somehow produced such genetic diversity, in spite of their isolation and single ancestral geographic location... an Island in the middle of the ocean. Cus there aren't any black Vikings or white Zulu for the same reason there ought not be the odd black elf or single black Harfoot family. Especially considering there hasn't been 1000s of generations of genetic adaption. People with a greater Tolkien scholarship than me have affirmed that understanding... So where did they come from?
I predict that harfoot girl is going to be the one that gives Gandalf his name and teach him his powers. Not-Gandalf will battle Sauron and will just about "kill" him only to have Galadriel come in and decide to give him mercy because we need the original trilogy to happen.
@@TheSlammurai Probably with Grond smashing through the city gates of the elven capital simultaneously in the background and orcs rushing into it shortly thereafter.
This would be on-theme with the "you should listen to women who make the absolute worst decisions possible" trope we've being seeing for the last few years
MauLer: If Rings of Power fails Amazon Studios will fall. Me: My lord it would a number beyond reckoning, thousands to storm the keep MauLer: Tens of thousands. Me: But my lord there is no such force *looks out to see the infernal creatures of the toxic brood*
Remember how Fringy flew into a rage when he saw what the Batwoman writers teased with Hush? That’s pretty much how it feels here with Amazon’s: The Rings of Power for the LOTR fandom except the worst is actually going to happen instead of it all just being shut down in the very next episode.
The thing that really twists the knife for me is the fact that with the right team and some god damn patience Amazon could have gotten the rights to the actual proper lord of the rings trilogy and if they took care in who they choose to write and direct it with the billion dollars theyve thrown into this project it could have been amazing. Instead were left with fantasy far worse than season 8 of game of thrones and the story they have to work with is a direvative of a direvative of an offshoot from a glossary, fuck me whoever heard this idea and said that sounds fantastic how about we give you a billion dollars should be shot in the patented Bezos cock rocket directly into the sun.
Even better the reference between the ship and stone is accually a direct pull from the Witcher Books. When Galadriel asks how are you suspose to tell the difference between the Stars in the water and the Stars in the Sky. The Line in the Blood of Elves I believe the Protagonist said to Geralt. "You Fool, you mistake the Reflections in the water to be the stars of the sky"
The world was young, the mountains green, No stain yet on the Moon was seen, No words were laid on stream or stone When Durin woke and walked alone. He named the nameless hills and dells; He drank from yet untasted wells; He stooped and looked in Mirrormere, And saw a crown of stars appear, As gems upon a silver thread, Above the shadow of his head. The world was fair, the mountains tall, In Elder Days before the fall Of mighty kings in Nargothrond And Gondolin, who now beyond The Western Seas have passed away: The world was fair in Durin's Day. A king he was on carven throne In many-pillared halls of stone With golden roof and silver floor, And runes of power upon the door. The light of sun and star and moon In shining lamps of crystal hewn Undimmed by cloud or shade of night There shone for ever fair and bright. There hammer on the anvil smote, There chisel clove, and graver wrote; There forged was blade, and bound was hilt; The delver mined, the mason built. There beryl, pearl, and opal pale, And metal wrought like fishes' mail, Buckler and corslet, axe and sword, And shining spears were laid in hoard. Unwearied then were Durin's folk; Beneath the mountains music woke: The harpers harped, the minstrels sang, And at the gates the trumpets rang. The world is grey, the mountains old, The forge's fire is ashen-cold; No harp is wrung, no hammer falls: The darkness dwells in Durin's halls; The shadow lies upon his tomb In Moria, in Khazad-dûm. But still the sunken stars appear In dark and windless Mirrormere; There lies his crown in water deep, Till Durin wakes again from sleep.
Yes, I could sum up Galadriel's character with "resting bitch face". She is such a bland, angry unlikable character. None of the grace, mystery, power and elegance of the original trilogy or book version. She is a abrasive, angry, boring one dimensional knight of the round table that everyone forgot. Oh and her dialogue is superb. "You have not seen what I have seen." I have seen my fair share. "You have not seen what I have seen." Wow, just wow. Award winning writing right there. I stood up and clapped, especially the part where she said "its Morbin time!". That part was my favorite.
@@vindikaktus I understand she isnt some peaceful non-combatant. I know she fought with the sons of Feanor and was in crazy battles. And you see her fight and you see her powers in the Hobbit movies. Im just utterly disappointed in the incredibly unlikable representation of her in RoP. There is nothing charismatic, wise, ageless, mystical, or otherwise about her really. She seems like an angry young human women in plate mail. And its not the anger itself thats the problem, its that its her defining feature.
@@vindikaktus Jackson didn't even portray her that way. She was a fierce yet majestic enchantress. She was portrayed as dangerous despite aligning with the fellowship and her softer side emerged only after she rejected the ring from Frodo.
@@vindikaktus I believe she missed most of the major battles because she was in Doriath behind the magic barrier of the Queen, and then later she went over the mountains to what would be Erigion to rule the Elves there with her husband. Her involvement would be as a rule of her people, organizer of defenses and armies, not a sword toting harridan.
Morgoth killed the trees to feed to his ally, the spider demon Ungoliant. It's also the 2nd time he destroyed the light source of the world because he's the petty devil figure and he just kinda wants to break everyone else's toys. Whenever you encounter unanswered questions it's because they're taking literally thousands of years of dense Tolkien lore and condensing it into two minutes of exposition.
(I don't know if this has been pointed out anywhere, but I'm commenting anyway). While I was watching the first two episodes, I was trying to figure out why the dialogue felt so stilted and weird and it occurred to me that everyone is engaging in TrailerSpeak - as in every single line feels like something that should be cut and inserted into a trailer, along with some big music cue to make it dramatic. It feels like everyone is trying to out-do everyone else and there's very little functional connections between the characters.
I call it "spaghetti one liners." It's like they have a giant pile of one liners they want positive memes of, but the catch is they won't know what's gonna stick. So hey why not throw everything at the wall and see how it goes? Lol. It ends up making the dialogue mega forced and awkward
Keep in mind while the children are bullying Galadriel, she is a literal PRINCESS. Not just a princess, a princess of two dynasties. She is the granddaughter of two kings. Yeah that's the kind of person the local village kids like to pick on.
Harfoots really are amazing creatures. You can learn all there is to know about their ways in a single scene... And yet after two hours of screen time, we're still cutting back to them.
Lore breaking Harfoots who are not doing their thing :) " _Hobbit_ was the name usually applied by the Shire-folk to all their kind. Men called them _Halflings_ and the Elves _Periannath._ The origin of the word _hobbit_ was by most forgotten. It seems, however, to have been at first a name given to the Harfoots by the Fallohides and Stoors, and to be a worn-down form of a word preserved more fully in Rohan: _holbytla_ 'hole-builder'." So Harfoots were known for their custom of hole digging...in the show they are...riding,...carts?! :) It's dumb anyway to have them other than brief cameo, they have no place in the actual stories of that time period. The whole 'worldbuilding' about them in the show is nonsensical and completely defies any lore about early hobbit socieites in Tolkien works.
Finrod did not die like a pleb in some battle, he died by the hand of Sauron directly (it would be much better motivation IMO), while protecting Beren (the greatest story of the first age), on his quest for Silmaril. Biggest problem is that this messes up established lore from the movies, as Aragorn, is identified by Saruman because he has Finrods ring on his finger ... Beren is ancestor to Elrond, Aragorn kings of Númenor, Arnor and Gondor.
@@possiblepuzzles8137 Having seen what I have seen, I'm glad they didn't get to touch the Silmarillion. The greatest (to Tolkien) Middle-earth tale, that of Lúthien and Beren, must be kept a million miles away from these people.
No, you see, it's because Exegol was so bright that they couldn't see anything, so they couldn't find up, and the atmosphere was pulling them down, and Palpatine was bullying them so they kept sinking. If you'd just read the comics, you'd know, smh...
What irritates me is that Gil Galad in the actual lore is the one who warns everyone that evil is rising in the east, yet in Amazon's anti-fan fiction, he's the one who wants to bury his head in the sand the most
@@pyktukasplays4945 We'll see, but so far not good. Even then it's only because Galadriel will convince him. Bonus points if he steals her thunder and pretends it was him the whole time because men bad
@@Southerly93 _“Gil-galad in the books has this prescient sense of he’s always a bit ahead of curve on anticipating the rise of evil and that kind of ultra-vigilance. And he understands that the price of peace is vigilance and that gives him a kind of melancholy, but I like it about him. He’s constantly on the lookout. He’s the guy at the party when everyone’s having a good time who’s going, ‘Something doesn’t feel right.’”_ - the actor who plays Gil-Galad answering about what be knows about the character. _"We know him as a warrior, we’re going to get to see him as a warrior. But he’s a politician in the sense that we wish we had, in that he attempts to bring out the best in all of us, so that when we do need to come together, we can."_ - the actor about Gil-Galad's depiction.
It also annoys me that they cast Manager Marshmallow to play him while wasting Joseph Mawle on yet another irrelevant, made-up origin short. I know Gary at Nerdrotic wants him for Sauron, but I honestly think Gil-Galad is a much more difficult character to cast, and Mawle would be absolutely perfect. There is enough to be seen from the cast they chose to know that this is the perfect moment in time to adapt Tolkien's Second Age to the screen, but too many untalented (but well-connected) woke clout-chasers have hijacked Tolkien's name and Jackson's acclaim to make up every story *except* the one they marketed the show as telling.
@sarahgould5435 the manager marshmallow part really got me lol. Also yeah that's a good idea, but honestly I'm apathetic to the whole thing. Better no lotr content than leave it in the hands of Amazon
So it begins… Ep1 Timestamps: 26:48 - 2:42:22 Prologue: 26:48 - Galadriel bullied & magic origami 29:38 - Finrod’s cryptic advice 43:15 - Speed running the First Age 47:34 - Helmet Tetris 51:15 - Skipping past Morgoth 54:12 - Mafioso Sauron brands Finrod 55:47 - Several centuries later… Galadriel finds an evil fortress: 56:23 - Knife ice climbing 58:52 - Sunlight fears to tread 1:07:54 - Evil makes fire cold 1:12:54 - Galadriel punches herself 1:15:33 - The Dark Mark 1:25:19 - They have a Snow Troll 1:35:07 - Elven Mutiny Meeting the Harfoot tribe: 1:36:38 - Hobbo Erectus 1:39:46 - It’s berryin’ time Meeting Elrond, the gay BF: 1:41:54 - Elrond writing in VFX land 1:43:59 - (wolves are chill) 1:45:13 - Drop everything, Galadriel is here Nori isn’t like other Hobbits: 1:49:02 - Say what you mean Galadriel sent to Valinor: 1:50:24 - Crowning the Woman King 1:51:50 - All the fireworks! 1:52:26 - Elrond mansplains sense Meeting the new Legolas: 2:05:46 - Ruining a chess game 2:07:06 - Action is character 2:07:55 - Disgusting men 2:09:40 - Racism has lost its subtlety 2:12:45 - Tell me, do you heal? 2:15:30 - Flippin’ the bow 2:16:08 - Btw you stink 2:16:36 - Interracial relationships bad 2:17:36 - The racist tower Evil in the Southlands: 2:21:13 - I wanna taste the black milk 2:24:01 - She kind of forgot about his news 2:25:14 - Spooky Sauron sword Sailing to the Undying Lands: 2:26:04 - No chairs allowed Meeting Celebrimbor the Wrinkled: 2:27:17 - Elven High King is a liar 2:27:58 - Expensive Cosplay 2:29:16 - Enter stage right 2:30:39 - The 14th Doctor Nori being nosy: 2:31:30 - The skies are strange The Watch haven’t been watchful: 2:32:11 - Racist simp 2:32:48 - Village burning with evil (hot) fire Closing Montage: 2:35:18 - Approaching Valinor 2:35:54 - Waiting for a comet 2:36:56 - Coincidence? I think not! 2:38:00 - Touch the darkness 2:39:14 - Convenient comet 2:39:24 - Venom Leaf 2:40:27 - Red herring Sauron symbol - EFAP Halftime Comments: 2:42:22 - Ep2 Timestamps: 2:52:15 - 4:18:10 Title Sequence: 2:52:15 - Vapid & incoherent Touching Meteor-Man: 2:55:00 - Assuming a wizard’s identity 2:56:56 - Keep it secret 2:58:50 - Squatting 2:59:55 - Do you get it? She’s different 3:01:10 - Meme break 3:01:44 - Nobody wants to investigate 3:02:10 - Disappearing fire trick 3:02:38 - Single-use dialogue 3:07:27 - Nori the narcissist Investigating the burnt village: 3:08:00 - The worst detectives 3:09:34 - Stone face 3:09:50 - A hole! Elrond’s side quest: 3:11:17 - MauLer misreads the scene… [the ‘how’ is the forge they need in order to make the ‘what’ (we’ll find out later that it’s the rings of power)] 3:12:27 - One does simply walk into Moria 3:16:35 - Diplomatic move of the Age 3:18:19 - Neat visuals & music 3:19:52 - Dwarves take no fall damage 3:20:35 - You know the rules 3:22:53 - Losing preciousss time Feeding the homeless: 3:23:25 - Pet hobo munchies 3:24:32 - No speaka de English 3:26:11 - Worst community ever 3:28:03 - I’m a Harfoot! 3:28:48 - Can’t walk can’t migrate 3:29:38 - Halfway achievements Galadriel bumps into a raft: 3:30:40 - Sit down Michael Phelps 3:30:54 - What are the odds? 3:31:39 - Ship hands go to Heaven 3:32:29 - Fate is a funny thing 3:33:25 - A boat of racists! 3:34:23 - We’re gonna need a bigger raft 3:35:54 - Action mandate 3:36:06 - Halbrand’s ‘character’ (Sauron) 3:37:00 - Action mandate, again 3:37:12 - Elven metabolism Durin vs Elrond: 3:38:21 - Grudge match 3:39:58 - Best scene of the show (sort of) 3:41:47 - Elrond is the worst 3:46:50 - Meet the family 3:47:37 - Dwarven science 3:48:45 - Don’t be hasty 3:49:16 - Weirdly warm welcome 3:50:14 - Mountains are like people 3:52:05 - Where the light don’t (?) shine 3:53:53 - Conflict resolved, moving on 3:54:25 - MauLer hates world building 3:54:50 - Art Department praise The Sundering Seas: 3:55:17 - Worst icebreaker ever 3:56:03 - Humble brag 3:56:33 - I WILL FIND THEM 3:57:01 - Thunderstorm sneak attack The most apathetic village: 3:57:23 - Pics or it didn’t happen 3:59:41 - I’d rather die than not be racist 4:00:32 - Chekhov’s mice In the tunnel: 4:01:40 - Is this not what you wanted..? 4:03:01 - Stranger Things have happened 4:04:34 - JA Bayona leaves his mark 4:05:04 - Crappy shaky cam fight 4:07:25 - No questions asked Finding friendship in the storm: 4:09:53 - Galadriel on pause 4:12:24 - An act of god 4:12:48 - What a nice guy Closing montage: 4:13:05 - 10,000 fireflies 4:15:04 - Mithril mystery box 4:16:23 - Anti-gravity blood 4:17:55 - Again, what are the chances? - EFAP Closing impressions: 4:18:10 - Meh 4:21:25 - Most apathetic to least
Wait, hold on a second right there! Fireworks. Okay, so, Gandalf having fireworks, wizard and all, great! Making them himself and all, etc, it's explained, otherwise it causes problems. Elves having fireworks... You're telling me you got the boom boom powder ? Then they all deserve to die for not using it in warfare. Even the fireworks themselves would be useful. God damn please Sauron rid this earth of such stupidity, they don't deserve to be on this earth.
Yeah the fireworks were done by Gandalf, and others like Saruman and Sauron had their own explosives, substances they did use for war, Gandalf preferred to have it for peaceful purposes for art and part of his expertise the fire magics, Sauron and Saruman used and allowed their troops to use various explosives: Sauron's: "The bells of day had scarcely rung out again ... when far away he saw fires spring up, across in the dim spaces where the walls of the Pelennor stood. The watchmen cried aloud, and all men in the City stood to arms. Now ever and anon there was a red flash, and slowly through the heavy air dull rumbles could be heard. 'They have taken the wall!' men cried. 'They are blasting breaches in it. They are coming!' 'Where is Faramir?' cried Beregond in dismay. 'Say not that he has fallen!'" The Return of the King, LoTR Book 5, Ch 4, The Siege of Gondor Troops of Mordor used the explosives of some kind to blow up the walls of Rammas Echor. Saruman's: "Even as they spoke there came a blare of trumpets. Then there was a crash and a flash of flame and smoke. The waters of the Deeping-stream poured out hissing and foaming: they were choked no longer, a gaping hole was blasted in the wall. A host of dark shapes poured in. 'Devilry of Saruman!' cried Aragorn. 'They have crept in the culvert again ... and they have lit the fire of Orthanc beneath our feet. " ... "Blasts of fire leaped up from below shaking the stones. .... There was a roar and a blast of fire. The archway of the gate above which [Aragorn] had stood a moment before crumbled and crashed in smoke and dust. The barricade was scattered as if by a thunderbolt." So it's unclear if the peoples of Middle-earth would have those without the intervention of the higher divine beings aiding them with their knowledge at this stage in their history. Every single case here is due to a Maia knowledge. Elves especially the Noldor are highly skilled in various sciences they are inventors and the closest to 'technologically able' Elves, they have great technical skills so one could imagine them having some sort of substances, they certainly have knowledge of chemistry to some extent (in the earlier drafts of Tolkien works like Book of Lost Tales we hear of the elven siege engines, for casting missiles and other devices for war: "Then the Orcs stayed their hands, and said they would give him life if the matters he opened to them seemed to merit that; and Meglin told them of all the fashion of that plain and city, of its walls and their height and thickness, and the valour of its gates; of the host of men at arms who now obeyed Turgon he spoke, and the countless hoard of weapons gathered for their equipment, of the engines of war and the venomous fires." ... "But now Gothmog lord of Balrogs, captain of the hosts of Melko, took counsel andgathered all his th ings of iron that could coil themselves around and above all obstacles before them. These he bade pile themselves before the northern gate; and behold, their great spires reached even to its threshold and thrust at the towers and bastions about it, and by reason of the exceeding heaviness of their bodies those gates fell, and great was the noise thereof: yet the most of the walls around them still stood firm. Then the engines and the catapults of the king poured darts and boulders and molten metals on those ruthless beasts, and their hollow bellies clanged beneath the buffeting, yet it availed not for they might not be broken, and the fires rolled off them." "Then Türgon’s heart was saddened, remembering the words of Tuor in past years before the palace doors; and he caused the watch and ward to be thrice strengthened at all points, and engines of war to be devised by his artificers and set upon the hill. Poisonous fires and hot liquids, arrows and great rocks, was he prepared to shoot down on any who would assail those gleaming walls;")
I caught the Nerdrotic stream, there were some good memes over there. Like MauLer saying how in order to have more white people in the show they had to come from space
3:14:05 Nevermind how far it is from Eregion to Khazad-Dum, Elrond and Celebrimbor managed to get from Lindon to Eregion in seemingly less than a day! That's almost as long as the whole journey for the fellowship!
They couldn't delay Rings of Power because they wanted to release it on the anniversary of Tolkien's death. Quite ghoulish, it feels almost as if they are celebrating his passing.
One of the quotes from one of the show creators is that theyre "looking to fix the sins of the past." And insinuated Tolkien being a racist multiple times. They absolutely hate him.
This seems like a classic example of style over substance. Congratulations to the producers, writers, and directors on creating the equivalent of a postcard in television form. It draws the attention briefly with some random visual that is essentially meaningless except as a means of imitating the original in the most vacuous way possible.
Imagine being an over-paid Marxist writer for this show, and you're tasked to try and write dialogue that can compete with the vision of a World War Veteran Professor of English Language... There was no way this show would be good with the amateurs involved....
Everytime a media mentions the darkness I’ll always think of kingdom hearts. And when there’s pretentiousness dialogue about the *dhakness* I’ll again think of it
In LOTR, evil cancelling out heat is absolutely a problem. Considering the entire plot of the trilogy centers on “take this evil ring to the only place hot enough to destroy it. The evil volcano in the center of evil kingdom used by evil person”
Nerd of the Rings gave this show an 8/10. Maybe this is the beginning of a love story between him and Star Wars Theory. Looks like they'd get along just fine.
I would not say it's nearly as bad as the star wars prequels. Hell most of my problems are with pacing and adaptation inaccuracies. So far there aren't many if any plot holes and hell there's some good character work and a pretty good fight scene in the second episode. I would say that an 8 is optimistic, but I wouldn't say it's not feasible. Especially given how chill and optimistic most LOTR superfans are. I am not saying that the show is free of flaws, I was very prepared for it to be terrible. Hell I expected it in the first hour. But other than the Galadriel plotline, I'd say it's pretty fine to good. Them Harfoots aren't nearly as bad as I was expecting. And I really like the Dwarven scenes, even if the women should have beards.
@@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604 THANK YOU! I also agree, Galadriel is the weakest plot of the show so far, but all the other ones are actually a treat to watch. I almost teared up seeing the interaction between Elrond and Durin, Durin feeling betrayed that Elrond wasn't around for some of the most significant moments of his life, but slowly warming up to Elrond's heartfelt congratulations and apologies. By all means, the show could get worse in the future, but as it stands, what they've presented is FAR from bad. I'd go so far as to say it's... pretty good so far. I'd give it a 6.5 to 7/10 so far, and I hope it gets better.
@@DerichndofCoomland Oh really? There's NO plot? Is the original LOTR just walking and talking too? Like sure, if you want to be critical, be critical, but say something of substance. Sauron is sending orcs to raid the towns of men now that the elves are withdrawing because they don't believe he is active. Galadriel is deadset on proving that Sauron is active dispite the scepticism of her peers. There is a plot whether you think the plot is good or not. It is slow, I said there were pacing issues. But to say there is NO plot is an inaccuracy.
53:55 Rags, not to make you even angrier at how absolutely shitty this all is but, just for future reference... The scene we see of Galadriel and the pile of helmets? Those were meant to be skulls, and you want to know what the event where this happened is oficially called by the elves? "The Battle of the Endless Tears." The fucking name of the hill that was artificially created is "HILL OF TEARS." So yeah, "maybe she should have cried" is kind of a good advise.
In any case the 'evil' in question would not be even proof of Sauron's presence because Sauron is usually associated with fire and heat, while Melkor was also known for cold (though he could wield fires and heat as well, but one could go with rule of thumb that Morgoth's evil-deadly cold and ice, Sauron-fire and heat :)). I mean it's even said straight in appendices that it is Morgoth who is often associated with cold and ice: "These are a strange, unfriendly people, remnant of the Forodwaith, Men of far-off days, accustomed to the bitter colds of the realm of Morgoth. Indeed those colds linger still in that region, though they lie hardly more than a hundred leagues north of the Shire. The Lossoth house in the snow, and it is said that they can run on the ice with bones on their feet, and have carts without wheels. They live mostly, inaccessible to their enemies, on the great Cape of Forochel that shuts off to the north-west the immense bay of that name; but they often camp on the south shores of the bay at the feet of the Mountains." RotK, Appendix A, I, iii, Eriador, Arnor, and the Heirs of Isildur, Footnote And here they lost such an opportunity depicting the Lossoth, the Snow-men of Forochel, since this beginning quest is said to be in Forodwaith...but nope they at amazon must be morons! Hell they should have made this journey to the cold wastelands a whole epic journey and set entire episode about it show it properly and not some several minute opening without any sense!
@@whiskeyhound yeah, I saw that. Did he actually come up with it, or is he signal boosting the idea? Because, jokes aside, I get why the idea is appealing, but it only makes sense if you assume the Consoomers aren’t going to review-pump the show, and by extension, negate any impact one’s abstinence from viewing could have. A nice-sounding idea, but an ineffective one.
I do think Elrond should have noticed it's been at least a longish time since he's seen Durin, but Elves do experince time differently. From Fellowship of the Ring the Great River chapter, "Sam sat tapping the hilt of his sword as if he were counting on his fingers, and looking up at the sky. ‘It’s very strange,’ he murmured. ‘The Moon’s the same in the Shire and in Wilderland, or it ought to be. But either it’s out of its running, or I’m all wrong in my reckoning. You’ll remember, Mr. Frodo, the Moon was waning as we lay on the flet up in that tree: a week from the full, I reckon. And we’d been a week on the way last night, when up pops a New Moon as thin as a nail-paring, as if we had never stayed no time in the Elvish country. ‘Well, I can remember three nights there for certain, and I seem to remember several more, but I would take my oath it was never a whole month. Anyone would think that time did not count in there!’ ‘And perhaps that was the way of it,’ said Frodo. ‘In that land, maybe, we were in a time that has elsewhere long gone by. It was not, I think, until Silverlode bore us back to Anduin that we returned to the time that flows through mortal lands to the Great Sea. And I don’t remember any moon, either new or old, in Caras Galadhon: only stars by night and sun by day.’ Legolas stirred in his boat. ‘Nay, time does not tarry ever,’ he said; ‘but change and growth is not in all things and places alike. For the Elves the world moves, and it moves both very swift and very slow. Swift, because they themselves change little, and all else fleets by: it is a grief to them. Slow, because they need not count the running years, not for themselves. The passing seasons are but ripples ever repeated in the long long stream. Yet beneath the Sun all things must wear to an end at last." There's a gap between the previous passage and the upcoming one where Frodo says Galadriel has a Ring of Power and Aragorn tells him to shut it. Next passage, "‘That should not have been said outside Lorien, not even to me,’ said Aragorn. ‘Speak no more of it! But so it is, Sam: in that land you lost your count. There time flowed swiftly by us, as for the Elves. The old moon passed, and a new moon waxed and waned in the world outside, while we tarried there. And yestereve a new moon came again. Winter is nearly gone. Time flows on to a spring of little hope.’ " So Elves do experince time differently from mortals, but Elrond should have accounted for this imo.
I think it's also something to do with how a 100-year-max species might perceive time compared to one that can live for 1000s of years. How for a human, maybe a week is relatively short, but an elf, that might be a year or more for the same sensation.
Perception of time aside...the 20 years is not that big of time gap,...even for a Dwarf, who commonly live till 250 and more years up to 300 in some cases (also 20 years is too little for a dwarf child to even grow up hell a dwarf of about 30 is still considered too young), the Elves also certainly understand the passage of time for mortals being far quicker....it all feels like the contrived reason to have some sort of conflict about..that is quickly resolved anyway in the plot...there's also the case that...they simply put could have communicated through letters....Elrond lived in Lindon hundreds of miles away from Moria so obvioulsy he would not be able to be always there, there is a journey to pass between those points to consider. As Tolkien wrote in the texts of The Nature of Middle-earth: "The minute enjoyment and appreciation of events and thoughts in the time-series does not, as might be supposed, make Time seem longer, as might a road or path that was minutely inspected. For that inspection could only be carried out by slowing the rate of normal travel. But the rate of normal progress through Time cannot be slowed; but the speed of thought and action can be quickened so as to achieve more in a given space of time.[17] Thus the Quendi did not and do not “live slowly”, moving ponderously like tortoises, while Time flickers past them and their sluggish thoughts! Indeed, they move and think swifter than Men, and achieve more than a Man in any given length of time.[fn7] But they have a far greater native vitality and energy to draw upon, so that it takes and will take a very great length of time to expend it." The effect of the power of the Ring on Lothlorien is something that is in essence attempt at preservation and it;s actually hilarious because this is an effect of the ring that in the show is yet to be forged hehe. These powers of the rings that allow to affect the natural forces of the world were their attempt at making timeless islands of beauty out of their lands, the Elves felt weary of the rapid changes of the mortal lands and so tried to use the powers of the rings to make them into these blissful oasis kind of like the Undying Lands would be. "The chief power (of all the rings alike) was the prevention or slowing of decay (i.e. 'change' viewed as a regrettable thing), the preservation of what is desired or loved, or its semblance - this is more or less an Elvish motive."
That was an effect in Lorien cast by Galadriel to shield her people from the exhaustion of living away from Valinor, it isn't a characteristic of Elves themselves.
"This film expresses the erroneous worldview towards the meta-wrongness often attributed to disestablishmentarism as applied to figments of expressions of idealistic piques of rage contained in imperialist fobbings." -Movie Bob's Sweaty Crevice
How shit was Galadriel that she searched high and low for decades upon decades in search of the last remaining baddies and literally the day after the elves claim there are no more, a village gets burned to a crisp.
The thing that's annoyed me the most about defending this trash show isn't even the people who mindlessly clap for it, it's the ones who screech, "Wait till it's over to judge!!" Because that makes sense. Sure, the first two acts of the movie or the first several episodes of a show were dogshit, but we really should see if they pull a 180 towards the finish line, that'll turn it from mediocre or bad to downright the bestest evar!! It's the same cope GoT fans spouted when season 8 was collapsing in on itself. The whole point is to get you interested or entertained at the start and build up from there. Sure, something in the story might be recontextualized to give a different perspective, but that doesn't turn bad to good. Or if a movie or show does indeed manage to improve as time goes on (not uncommon for an episodic series) it doesn't change that the start had problems. Plenty of series out there were someone can say, "It had a lot of good in it, but it's also hampered by all this bad." It doesn't make the whole good, just that someone can see good parts in it.
There are some shows where this works. I think Better Call Soul did not have a clear antagonist until very late, but Rings of Rings does not have the writing to make up for that.
1:18:30 Nah it's not that she made it up, or that everybody knows, it's that only she knows about the marks. It tries to show how competent she is while doing the exact opposite. Her death defying leaps now not only risked her own life, but the very mission itself. If she fell to her death by taking unnecessary risks, she would've taken that vital information to the grave with her and left everyone else there in the freezing cold with zero clue what to do next. The best reading you could give the line is that the writers needed to convey this information to the audience yet are completely incompetent, so this was the only way they could do it: By having her state something that everyone else already knows for the audience's benefit. 1:19:25 Out of her a** , Rags... Out of her a** that's where... 1:22:45 You could send a single messager. 1:55:22 There needs to be a supercut of all recent media female protagonists proclaiming how much better they are summed up into a line of theirs: She-Hulk, Wanda , Galadriel, Batwoman among many, many, more lol. It really does not come across even in the slightest about empowerment, but about dunking on people the creator doesn't like...
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I sort of disagree with the perception of time bit. It's why when you're older it seems like each year just seems to zoom by, but when you're young summer seemed to go on forever. It doesn't make him not a bad friend, but I think it's vaguely understandable if you're thousands of years old, the "i'll just finish this thing up and pop over once I'm done, oh wait where did those decades go?" might make sense if you simply are used to taking things at a much slower pace than other species. Given how easy it was to get there apparently makes it much harder to swallow honestly.
Not defending this show in the slightest,but its worth remembering that after Gandalf tells Frodo to "keep it secret,keep it safe",he pisses off for 17 years to research the ring (in the books at least). Maybe they were going off that kind of logic,who knows? The minds of Hollywood "creators" have been addled with pipe weed....
Not to mention when the Noldor leave Valinor for Middle Earth, they take 30+ (think it's 37 to be exact) years to leave. That was considered "quickly".
I think even with the years zooming by at some point you'd still think "Wait it's winter already and I wanted to visit that guy. Hey it's winter again! And again! And Again! Wasn't there something I meant to do?" Then again I generally can't really imagine sentient beings living for hundreds of years without becoming completely detached from everything that isn't eternal, achieving zen and chilling out, ending up utterly jaded or eventually losing their mind from some trauma or a million mental papercuts.
@@berndberndsen5680 you would think, like you said though we aren't going to be in our bodies for 10,000 plus years. From the scene, I got the impression Elrond knew it had been awhile but wasn't expecting 20 years. Kind of like how a few days or weeks may pass for us and we are surprised by it. Not saying there doesn't need to be some more context, but I can believe it.
I don’t personally agree with the sentiment about not watching the show, but I think another aspect of that side of the argument that went undiscussed was how abstaining from watching it / consuming it at all is related to the idea we have heard you guys say before about not consuming video games with bad or predatory aspects to them. At least I know I’ve heard the line from you guys about “Why do things like this keep getting made. Well because we’re all just too dumb to stop buying them”. Their logic to the show is trying to be along the lines of the one against those kinds of video games. Don’t consume them, don’t cover them (any publicity is good publicity as some say, but also something I don’t even agree with it), and that’s how you get them to stop. The things being weighed are not “Amazon doesn’t want our negative coverage so it’s fine we watched it and negatively reviewed it”, it’s the exposure at all being provided by the coverage when the alternative was radio silence and encouraging others to not watch it, as in stop “buying” their garbage products to tie it back to the video game example. Which isn’t 1 to 1 but how I think some people see it, which maybe has a point when you consider they are relying on people watching it and spreading it around and talking about it. And again, this isn’t my perspective, just offering a steel man of their position I think went unchecked.
that makes sense. I happen to disagree with the premise of "any publicity is good publicity", so I'm not compelled. I suppose a more accurate wording for it would be "infamy is preferable to obscurity" which might be true. However, infamy is never equivalent to fame.
Not that I'm defending Elrond not checking in on his "friend" for 20 years, but he didn't seem to know that Durin even got married. So... why is Durin mad? I'm assuming he sent an invitation... right? If Elrond actually got a letter and just ignored it, it makes him look even worse for coming after that. However, if Durin didn't actually send an invitation, I think he can't be _that_ angry at Elrond for missing his wedding, right? I mean, he still should have checked in every few years lol
I felt something was missing there. Durin should know how old Elrond is and that he might space out for a while. And 20 years for a dwarf is like 5 for a normal person. Not that weird to have missed something if you live in another country and can't just pick up the phone. Would take weeks to make the trip. If it had been a hundred years I would have believed it more even if Durin had not sent letters. But if it was 20 years and no invitations then it is just childish. I feel that the writers of the show can't conceptualise the time spans we are dealing with here. Galadriel isn't 30 years old, she is thousands of years old. Having various events that happened over 3000 years happen at the same time make it all look way too coincidental. If they have been hunting Sauron together for centuries no one would after that long leave right after finally finding some proof. The walk down the stairs in Lindon and you are in Moria in 5 min is another example of that. Or Galadriel swimming for days and finding a random raft. Do they have any freaking idea how large a fucking ocean is and how slow people swim??? Probably a few more I missed and there will be way more
I have to give Elrond a pass on this _not showing up for twenty years._ From what I've gleamed, the writers failed to include any 'Ignored Sent Invitation' context, and the passing of 20 years to an immortal, is like a month to you and me. Resulting in Durin acting like a friend that's loosing their sh*t because _I_ hadn't popped by in over a month, or a mother complaining that _you haven't called me in over a week!_ So Durin comes across like a whiny be-yotch. Betraying the (lesser) life experience of who wrote this script. By this point, I expect the wander-lust and desire for adventure has already been satiated in Elrond for a very long time, so now centuries pass without much to make of them. Being nearly fifty myself, I have had nearly a decade pass without much of note occurring in that time, looking back; It just passes by and you loose track. Our efap'ers, and many viewers/commenters show their young ages by making a big deal over twenty years, which is the better part of their lives, so far. It's understandable, but is still limited in purview, if I can use the $2 word. Then there's the likelihood of; Is this the first time Elrond has misplaced a couple decades concerning Durin? Not likely, he should be used to this by now. Such is the dynamic when dealing with someone who doesn't age, an immortal. In the end, this drama reads like a lovers quarrel, and not an earned grudge between grown men. Ergo; the writers personal limitations once more.
They purchased the rights to said lore only to make their own… I guess time and plot not important only character names important lol😅 btw I wonder if Bezos son liked it… he was said to be a super fan of the lore and told his dad not to F this up 🎉
All right, I'm playing detective today. At around 6:13, the crew offhandedly mentions future plans, including a "Halloween Arc" and that there are 7 movies upcoming, one of them being a bonus. I'm sure I missed what these actually were in some other stream, but that won't stop me, because I'm going to deduce it just from clues in this EFAP! Or screw up and get it wrong, one of the two. 1. I think it's pretty safe to assume that all or most of the movies will be in the horror genre, since the word "spooky" is specifically used in reference to this upcoming arc. Also it's Halloween, duh. 2. I'm about 60-80% sure the "bonus" is Army of the Dead, since that one's been teased in the Snyder Cut EFAP reaction. I feel confident enough to use it as a lemma in my broader analysis, at any rate. (Professor, I used "lemma" in a sentence, is that worth extra credit...) 3. The remaining 6 movies would most likely have a clear connection to be considered an "arc," so a shared actor, director, theme, subgenre, or most likely, a full-on franchise (this latter possibility being consistent with past arcs, aka DCEU and Resident Evil). 4. If a franchise is included in the arc, I would assume all 6 non-bonus movies would be part of it, under the logic that movies that aren't in said franchise but had some more tenuous connection would fall under the "bonus movies" purview (a la Malignant and Van Helsing releasing during the Resident Evil Arc.) We only have one bonus movie to work with. 5. Going off past EFAP coverage, they tend to cover mostly Western mainstream films, all but ruling out any Asian/Bollywood/other non-Anglophone franchises. The only real exception seems to be things like Train to Busan and Squid Game, which are exceptional and/or highly popular outside of their native lands; I can't imagine current EFAP has much interest in watching, say, the original Ju-On movies. Similarly, we can most likely eliminate Western franchises that lack presence in broader film culture (for instance, I do not see them covering something like Xtro and its sequels).There weren't many candidates here to begin with, but my point remains. 6.EFAP has yet to give a direct-to-video/made-for-TV movie full coverage, so I have my doubts as to whether this arc would be the one to break the mold, though I confess that it's likely to happen sooner or later (Star Wars Holiday Special when?) So I give slightly more weight to theatrically released films. 7. Finally, EFAP favors movies that are "below average" (to put it charitably). Of 35 episodes, while it gets fuzzy at times, I would say only 5 movies would be called good with no caveats about subjective enjoyment or plot/character problems getting in the way (the LOTR trilogy and the animated Mulan and 101 Dalmatians) with Extraction, Hardcore Henry, and Home Alone as borderline cases. In other words, EFAP seems to be more likely to watch something they expect to be bad than something they expect to be good, and even two of the "good" movies were a package deal that came with some absolute stinkers. So I expect any franchise they tackle to not be just flat out consistently good with few if any stinkers (like, say, Mission Impossible). Also, they tend to pick movies that are either currently relevant or have some level of success in the overall cultural landscape. I expect this is motivated to some degree by more pragmatic concerns about giving viewers what they are interested in. I doubt they're eagerly awaiting the day when they get to cover the Lolita film adaptation, for example*. *Some clarification here. Judging by initial comments, the crew were expecting something more mediocre from the DCEU before Wonder Woman and Man of Steel made them reevaluate, so they might not be quite as beholden to being a "bad movies" channel as I imply. And to be perfectly fair, what's put the lot of them on the map is thorough takedowns of the worst media has to offer, so it's hard to blame them for doing what they do best. I'm certainly not complaining when I get hours worth of funny reactions to bizarre plot points or character decisions. In fact, I quite like them, as you can probably tell from this college thesis on what the next one is likely to be. Did I have a point with this? Uh... Reviewing all the evidence, I sifted through Western horror franchises with 6 movies and came up with two candidates that seem the most likely, namely Jurassic Park and the Romero Living Dead series. Of the two, I think Jurassic Park is much more likely, as they have done previous Jurassic Park coverage (EFAP 14 and an Unbridled Rage for Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom attest to that) and I know MauLer has said he was asked to cover the latest installment on Twitter, so maybe this is his way of doing so? Further, the Romero movies are more dour than Jurassic Park and would likely dampen the usual jovial mood of EFAP (though they survived Snyder movies, so who knows), and Jurassic Park is flat out more popular than them and would be more exciting. In addition, I suspect that EFAP would have plenty to criticize with the 5 sequels if not some hidden flaws in the first one itself, while the Romero movies, if I recall correctly, would be slim pickings for the first 2-3. So there it is, my painstakingly thought-out deductions that have led me to decide that Jurassic Park is the next planned EFAP movies arc. Now watch me be wrong because the next arc is Ice Age, the bonus movie is the Care Bears movie, and actually I have an acute case of the Mandela effect and what EFAP really announced was a Yom Kippur arc where they do every movie released on a Jewish holiday. :( Edit: Forgot about this comment! Obviously I was completely wrong on all fronts, since the arc was Final Destination+Karen. Oh well. Perhaps I can get another shot come next EFAP movies arc.
16:00 This is the perfect reasoning why we need film critics. When TFA first came out I hated it and felt like something was seriously wrong about that film. After watching a plethora of you tubers tell me it was a masterpiece, I changed my mind on the film and thought it was great because I thought I watched it incorrectly.
@@madookamagooka743 I dont know about masterpiece but it was pretty general that most liked TFA, even if they admitted it was stolen from the original movie. It was only later after it left theatres that the tide began to turn due to online critiques.
the reason i would agree with the notion of just boycotting it outright to not even give them a single extra number is because the people at the top of the company do not actually care if you think its good or if its even good in the first place, skewing the numbers to appease stockholders really is their only goal after all. And there will always be people who buy into the ideology or have low enough standards to accept whatever garbage you put in front of them. the only way to keep it out is to outright refuse to ever engage with this trashfire ever again. and gatekeep the hell out of those that approve of it.
on another note, but what if its good? doesn't really matter to me. even if by some absolute miracle they somehow cobble together a watchable product, the clear intent that they displayed during production would have me rather take it out of their hands entirely when it comes to production rights. the intent and process is also important , not just the result.
The people at the top do care about reviews though. This has been proven due to the fact that they removed reviews for the show on their service because of the amount of negativity
@@diazinamon2431 they don't care otherwise they wouldn't have removed them, they just don't want them in often looked at official spaces where said stakeholders would be able to see them
Eh I wouldn't say they don't care about negative reviews. However shitty streaming numbers would be worse. Though I think the best way to create that would be start the show and finish an episode and then stop. A massive drop off seems like it would be a better indicator of how shitty people think it is.
Of course reviewers need to watch 100% of the content they're reviewing. Tbf to the boycotters' position, reviewers don't have to review it. EFAP isn't going to cover HOTD and didn't cover Hawkeye. Even Nerdrotic skipped Ms. Marvel despite reviewing every other Disney+ Marvel show. HOTD had an acceptable reception. So reviewers will naturally choose the more lucrative option. If it upsets the boycotters then they can skip the reviewers that cover it too. Just like rop, most people will watch anyway. I can't fault people for wanting to judge shows for themselves despite what reviewers they watch say either.
3:43:36 Elrond is a half-elf who with his brother was given the choice between immortality as an Elf or mortality as a Man. His brother Elros chose to be counted as a Man. Of all the characters in the show, he should be the one most keenly aware of how life and time passes differently for elves and mortals.
Yeah the torches not making heat pisses me off too. Fire keeps burning because the heat of what's burning enables the next combustion. It a chain reaction. So if fire doesn't make heat, fire goes out. This means that if the fire keeps burning while but stays cold because 'evil magic' that also means that magic is like constantly monitoring the fire to make sure it has *exactly* the right amount of thermal energy to sustain combustion while stealing everything else. Also your entire body works off of the same principle of combustion. You breathe in oxygen to run combustion reactions in your cells so you have the energy to do all your other necessary biochemical reactions / stay warm / criticize movies / etc. So if *that* combustion stops giving off heat, you're going to hit room temperature. So this area is apparently soooo evil that it sucks up all the heat while simultaneously making sure you don't die and your torch doesn't go out. Which seems way more complicated and ironically less evil than if you just got to close to it and died. Since that would probably be more useful to Mr. Ominous Evil Man, cold torches is literally him showboating.
Thank you guys so much for doing this! I watched episode one and it made me so disgusted I could not stomach watching anymore, and i certainly didnt want to subscribe just to see how bad it was later in the season. Please keep doing stuff like this so the real fans can see what the content of the show is without having to give our money to companies that treat us like trash. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!
What annoys me the most about the WHOLE situation: it seems like they're just skipping the story of Beren, Finrod and Luthien) for a far inferior hapdash that is disinterested with the core message of Tolkien... Seriously why didn't they just make a series about Beren and Luvien?
They changed the natrue of the history and characters just so they can tell their bad "oppressed female warrior can prove the dumb men wrong" cliche story.
People who want to boycot something....generally its assumed reviewers dont count as people who should be involved since obviously someone HAS to review it. Theyre watching it so we dont have to. so....yeah, clearly reviewers are going to watch it.
Reviewers. Re-viewers. As in, viewing multiple times. For what purpose? For the assessment of a product's quality. Telling a reviewer not to view something is the equivalent of a carpenter being told not to use wood and a mason not to use stone. It's kinda, sorta, maybe part of the job.
@@fatrick9001 I think the frustration comes from the fact that some people on twitter actually told the crew they didn't want them to watch it. Ofc when people repeat the line without understanding it, stuff like this happens. But the point still stands that official views count as votes of support in the big picture, so you can always fly the black flag when you watch it for references.
Not only is the show just incredibly lorebreaking, to the point of feeling like it's not actually middle-earth, it's just called that and all of these completely unrelated characters and places just happen to have the same names but the show is poorly written and pretty generic fantasy in it's own right as well. Me and my friend stopped after 1 and a half episodes and won't be going for more.
I would say the "do or don't watch" approaches they talked about at the start needs both parts to succeed. The audience kinda needs to make a 2 pronged attack: the reviewers like EFAP that watch it and outline what is wrong with it to attack it's reputation, but also the wider audience to not watch it and make it fail financially. The fact is, for a movie to fail and for a business to get the message "this isn't working", it needs to hit their money. Otherwise they get the message "ok people are complaining, but continuing this will still benefit us because we're profiting", not to mention the inevitable shills propping it's reputation up from "bad" to "mixed opinions". But everyone ignoring it will also not work, reviewers do need to watch it and share the details so that their audience knows WHAT is wrong with it, and why they shouldn't spend their money/time on it, and they can make arguments without just saying "I don't know I haven't seen it." So basically, the "watch it yourself and then decide" approach would only result in a mixed reputation and a monetary successful work (something kinda like the Barbie Movie recently), while the "don't watch it don't engage" approach results in an unsuccessful work but nobody can actually articulate what's wrong with it to the people that do like it or the people who made it (basically making it a "cult classic" or something). It needs both the reviewers to watch it and say their piece, and the wider audience to not actually watch it and make it measurably fail. It's how Disney is actually showing signs of collapse at the moment.
I think I’ve figured out the “yet you would leave them alive in me to take with me” conundrum. I think the meaning of the line was supposed to be “I am the greatest warrior in our army but you’re sending me away before I have finished my duties?” They found the most convoluted and confusing way to have her say “my job is not done, there is still evil afoot.”
One of the worst lore mistakes in the series is the fact that the western door of Moria was built because of the friendship of Celebrimbor. You don't even need to read the appendices carefully to get that right. It says it on the fucking door! "The doors of Durin, Lord of Moria. Speak "friend" and enter. I, Narvi, made these doors, Celebrimbor of Hollin, the writing." The doors were made so that the elves and dwarves could better cooperate and travel to eachothers' realm more easily. Before that the dwarves had to travel over the mountain through the Red Horn pass to get to Hollin and see the elves. The main doors as well as the city of Khazad-dûm was on the eastern side of the mountains, and most of the western side was mines and small passages only built after the friendship with the elves in the second age. So at any rate, most of Moria at any given time was carved into the eastern side of the mountains. But if they had been careful they could not have had stupid comedy dwarves and "Haha Elrond forgot that dwarves lives are faster than that of elves." So I guess abandoning the books was okay, because we got so much comedy and nonsense elevators and a stupid stone-breaking contest.
I will say more the show messed up the basic logic course of 'cause and effect' chain of events. Because without the discovery of mithril by the Dwarves and the contacts with Elves.....there would be no Eregion...for that elven realm was established specifically BECAUSE the Noldor elves heard of mithril discovery in Moria.......so we have situation here that Eregion exist just besides the dwarven realm but apparently no contact or even simple trade was established between these closest neighbors and the one commodity that was the cause of the new realm establishment this so called 'gold rush scenario' where a new resource if discovered and then new opportunities arise new centers of population are build etc. Trade of mithril was exactly that! TheSecond Age These were the dark years for Men of Middle-earth. but the years of the glory of Númenor. Of events in Middle-earth the records are few and brief, and their dates are often uncertain. In the beginning of this age many of the High Elves still remained. Most of these dwelt in Lindon west of the Ered Luin; but before the building of the Barad-dûr many of the Sindar passed eastward. and some established realms in the forests far away. where their people were mostly Silvan Elves. Thranduil. king in the north of Greenwood the Great, was one of these. In Lindon north of the Lune dwelt Gil-galad, last heir of the kings of the Noldor in exile. He was acknowledged as High King of the Elves of the West. In Lindon south of the Lune dwelt for a time Celeborn, kinsman of Thingol; his wife was Galadriel, greatest of Elven women. She was sister of Finrod Felagund, Friend-of-Men, once king of Nargothrond, who gave his life to save Beren son of Barahir. Later some of the Noldor went to Eregion, upon the west of the Misty Mountains, and near to the West-gate of Moria. This they did because they learned that _mithril _ had been discovered in Moria. The Noldor were great craftsmen and less unfriendly to the Dwarves than the Sindar; but the friendship that grew up between the people of Durin and the Elven-smiths of Eregion was the closest that there has ever been between the two races. Celebrimbor was lord of Eregion and the greatest of their craftsmen; he was descended from Fëanor." .... 750 Eregion founded by the Noldor." ... "A mile southwards along the shore they came upon holly trees. Stumps and dead boughs were rotting in the shallows, the remains it seemed of old thickets, or of a hedge that had once lined the road across the drowned valley. But close under the cliff there stood, still strong and living, two tall trees, larger than any trees of holly that Frodo had ever seen or imagined. Their great roots spread from the wall to the water.... [They] towered overhead, stiff, dark, and silent, throwing deep night-shadows about their feet, standing like sentinel pillars at the end of the road.... 'Here the Elven-way from Hollin ended. Holly was the token of the people of that land, and they planted it here to mark the end of their domain; for the West-door was made chiefly for their use in their traffic with the Lords of Moria. Those were happier days, when there was still close friendship at times between folk of different race, even between Dwarves and Elves.' The Fellowship of the Ring, LoTR Book 2, Ch 4, A Journey in the Dark
@@fantasywind3923 Yeah, exactly right, thank you! The city only existed because of the friendship of the dwarves and the elves and the discovery of mithril. There are so many things on that show that are just SO stupid.
I hate how with the past like 5 updates to the app it's made watching live more and more frustrating with the amount of times it crashes or freezes up. I miss being a part of the Toxic Brood😢😭
Those kids would probably be like 500 years old and still bullied Galadrrrrriel. They can't use the Grogu method of ageing which is more like cycles then years because these kids are already talking and have a FULL concept of right and wrong by now. They don't die so I thought Elves knew better to treat life with a common decency.
This whole affair of elf children bullies is so out of place.....the extended texts of Tolkien, so those outside the amazon licensing anyway, tell us how they elf-childre are really somewhat better behaved and not as unruly, not to mention they are somewhat more 'mature' due to the elf child minds developing faster. "The Eldar grew in bodily form slower than Men, but in mind more swiftly. They learned to speak before they were one year old; and in the same time they learned to walk and to dance, for their wills came soon to the mastery of their bodies. Nonetheless there was less difference between the two Kindreds, Elves and Men, in early youth; and a man who watched elf-children at play might well have believed that they were the children of Men, of some fair and happy people. For in their early days elf-children delighted still in the world about them, and the fire of their spirit had not consumed them, and the burden of memory was still light upon them. This same watcher might indeed have wondered at the small limbs and stature of these children, judging their age by their skill in words and grace in motion. For at the end of the third year mortal children began to outstrip the Elves, hastening on to a full stature while the Elves lingered in the first spring of childhood. Children of Men might reach their full height while Eldar of the same age were still in body like to mortals of no more than seven years. Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some a hundred years would pass before they were full-grown." ... "The Eldar wedded for the most part in their youth and soon after their fiftieth year. They had few children, but these were very dear to them. Their families, or houses, were held together by love and a deep feeling for kinship in mind and body; and the children needed little governing or teaching. There were seldom more than four children in any house, and the number grew less as ages passed; but even in days of old, while the Eldar were still few and eager to increase their kind, Fëanor was renowned as the father of seven sons, and the histories record none that surpassed him." - Morgoth's Ring, Laws and Customs In any case the most unbelievable is that elf children would be doing vandalism destroying a thing of beauty another elf done just for the heck of it! Elf bullies sounds also highly unlikely in the times of bliss of Valinor before Melkor release!
Reason #1: Ultimately I can't watch a show like this because they are always "setting up" for the next season. What is the plot even, where is all this going?! It's two full episodes in and I couldn't make a synopsis of the show if I tried. "There's evil somewhere doing something." I guess? Reason #2: Galadriel is *insufferable* and everyone else is uninteresting, boring, or severely lacking in charm. Reason #3: SO friggin tired of modern politics injected into fantasy shows.
The moment there is mentions of 'representing modern issues in fantasy', I am just NOT gonna watch it. Especially so when it's done with a setting created 100 years ago. It'd be like making the Grimm's Brothers stories but dump it modern political issues and racial troubles into those stories cuz 'that is obviously what people wanna watch'.
@@kinagrill Yea it totally throws you out of the world! Felt like I was being lectured to by a neighbor. Objectively speaking, I find it so strange that these people find it completely normal to date a fantasy show like that. In 20 years anyone will look back on it and say "oh that was made in the 2020 era"
@@dianebrooks1859 It's like having people say Radical, Totally Wicked, etc. It just dates a show or movie or whatnot REAL quick cuz that is slang, and slang goes out of date FAST. I Mean I am still learning there's slang used TODAY that I had no idea were a thing yet or what it meant.
The hobo who fell out of the sky is clearly Saruman, and he will harbor a life long disdain for hobbits because they annoyed him so much when he first landed.
That would make too much sense.
I actually predict it's one of the Blue wizards. Tolkien wrote in one of his last letters that the blue wizards were instrumental in Sauron's defeat, inspiring resistance, while the other three were third age exclusives.
While I'm here I actually kinda like the second episode, I like the relationship between Durin and Elrond, and while absolutely non canonical, the harfoots are less terrible than I anticipated. I'd like to see where this goes before solidifying my opinion. I'm skeptical, but I expect it to be a mixed bag.
@@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604 The gang gets into the Elrond-Durin relationship pretty significantly.
@@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604 It’s too bad the Blue Wizards may get their debut in this show…
@@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604 Funnily enough, it was Durin and Celebrimbor that got to be friends in the simmalrilion
*"Navigation cannot tell which way is up; they only see down."*
-Po Elfen, probably
Can't wait for *"Somehow Sauron returned"*
@@ghostprojekt returned... when he haven't even arrived yet, so to speak :p
@@kinagrill Well, the show is 5 seasons long so don't discard the possibility.
Galadriel is a princess of the Noldor, her father is Finarfin the youngest son of the High King of the Noldor Finwe. She shouldn’t be bullied, additionally they are living in Aman a literal paradise where weapons don’t even exist yet. Not to mention it sound very un-elvish
Also Galadriel should be familiar with death. Elves died in Beleriand on their journey to Aman, were slain by the servants of Melkor and her own grandfather’s first wife Míriel died* after giving birth to her uncle Feanor
Also the piling of the helmets (skulls in the lore) is something done by the Orcs to celebrate their victory in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears.
The way Finrod dies in the book is he succumbs to his wounds after wrestling and defeating a werewolf while escaping the dungeons of Sauron in order to save his human friend Beren. Previously he had lost a magical singing duel with Sauron which resulted in said capture
Also it should be noted that elves don’t really die. Their bodies might be destroyed but their souls travel back to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor where after time they may be rebodied and rejoin their kin. Elves have no fear of death, they know what happens.
She married Celeborn in the First Age and spend the early Second Age traveling and dwelling in Lindon and Eregion. Here she councils her cousin Celebrimbor not to trust Annatar (Sauron in disguise) and latter receives one of the the elven rings. There is no mention of her directly playing a role in the War of Elves and Sauron or the War of the Last Alliance though she was a member of first White Council.
Sauron after refusing to submit to the judgment of the Valar fled into middle earth. For 500 years he remained hidden, possibly even only as a spirit as Sauron is one of the Maiar don’t have to remain “bodied”. In 500 SA he begins to stir and corrupt the men of the south and East. In 1000 fearing the growing power of Numenor begins the constructing of Barad-Dur and in 1200 takes the form of Annatar to start the ring scheme. Also a Maiar Sauron cannot permanently die, his incarnated body can be destroyed but his spirit is truest immortal. Even at the end of the Return of the King when the ring is destroyed Sauron isn’t dead, he doesn’t suffer a cessation of exists he is instead reduced to a powerless shade, a nameless voice on the wind.
Galadriel is an elf of great power both in the seen and unseen worlds as one who has dwelt in the blessed land beneath the trees before the creation of the Sun and Moon. She was tutored by several of the lords and ladies of the Valar in their arts and was the handmaiden of the Maiar Melina in the First Age. I wouldn’t be adverse to her being able to *see* the remnants of dark sorcery or have glimpses of foresight, but it’s have to be something set up.
Sauron doesn’t need a mark for Orcs to follow, he can call them to him magically. He is the heir of their creator and master and the current dark lord of arda
Galadriel is actually under the Doom of Mandos because of her defiance of the Valar and the Kinslaying at Alqualondë. She is not allowed to return across the Sea to Valinor and if she dies under the Doom she is not allowed to leave Mandos’s Halls rebodied and must remain there until the Doomsman says her penance is fulfilled.
The wars between Morgoth and the Elves and the War of Wrath took place in Beleriand not Middle Earth
Her brother his chilling in Aman right now with their dad and mom
Galadriel will be Elrond’s Mother-in-Law
* Feanor in the process of being born consumed too much of her “spirit” to the point where living was too much of a weariness and her spirit willingly left her body to reside in the Halls of Mandos. Interestingly her body is still their tended to by the handmaidens of the Valar Lorien so it would not wither. Ironically the only reason the rest of the descendants of Finwe exist is because Miriel refused to be re-bodied and Finwe was then granted a special dispensation by the Valar themselves to remarry.
That assumes that the writers invested themselves in Tolkien (and gave it the gravitas that it deserves) 😔
@@possiblepuzzles8137 the thing that annoys me most is they tried to make this without having the rights to the Silmarillion.
There were plenty of other stories they could have told like the Wars of Arnor and Angmar or the kin-strife in Gondor and they would have had full access to all the material and much more wiggle room to be “creative”.
Good sumup, thanks for the read
@TeutonicKnight92... Thank you for your comment. 👍 For you, your comment, and the knowledge 🙏
Great comment. I have to nit pick and say that Beleriand is in Middle Earth. Middle Earth is the entire continent. Eru makes new ones after the Akallabeth, but before that, there are only Aman and Middle Earth. Beleriand is like Eriador or Rhovanion, it is the name of an area of land. But Beleriand does not exist in the current map (apart from Lindon and the Ered Lindon, which technically is part of that realm. Also the isle of Himling is the top of the hill of Himring that held the fortress of Maedhros. And Tol Morwen and Tol Fuin are remnants of Beleriand.
That said, your comment is an impressive catalogue of knowledge and I thank you for posting it. Many people blindly neglect the information here and say "they only have rights to the appendices, not the Silmarillion" to which I reply that the appendices actually contain all the information you might need. They would know this if they had ever read it! Most of what you posted here is actually mentioned in the book or the appendices and there would be no need to complain about the Silmarillion if they had just carefully gone through them. You could reference the Silmarillion to get an understanding of some of the more obscure passages, but enough is there to make a coherent story. The fall of Numenor is expounded in great detail. The war of the Elves and Sauron is also quite thoroughly discussed. The founding of the Kingdoms in Exile i.e. Arnor and Gondor are also detailed, as is the war of the Last Alliance and its consequences. The rise and fall of Moria is discussed in detail, and the expansion of the kingdom to the western wall of the mountains of mist.
I love that HBO put up the LOTR extended cuts for free the same day Rings of Power opened.
🤣😂🤣😂
Epic troll.
LOL they did!? Pro gamer move hahahaha
Meanwhile on Amazon you need to pay $10 to watch them
Typical lol.
Thats like someone selling a tape their own sports bloopers. Or an MMA fighter making a vid of all the times they got knocked out. 🤣
Sounds like a good way to spend 12 hours
Not a troll. Moreso just capitalising on the interest.
What pisses me off is that they took an established character in Galadriel and totally retconned her. Her whole story arc that ended in LOTR was started in the Second Age, but not at all in the way that the show has changed. She came to Middle Earth and STAYED in Middle Earth because she wanted a kingdom of her own to rule. Her reasons weren't to hunt down evil, or to avenge a lost family member. It was literally ego and arrogance that brought her to Middle Earth. She was searching to start a kingdom of her own. And in the end of LOTR she "proved herself" by denying The Ring from Frodo. She says it herself. She'd go back to Valanor as Galadriel, not as some massive ruler of Middle Earth. She dinally had this opportunity and she turned it down. She grew as a person and a character and finally felt at peace.
And a lot of the Elves in Middle Earth weren't ALLOWED to go back to Valanor because of their betrayal in going to Middle Earth in the first place. Eventually some of them were forgiven and allowed to return back. She was one of the people allowed to return back but it wasn't for any of the stupid shit she did in the show. Then she TURNED IT DOWN because she wanted to stay in Middle Earth for the same reasons I stated before. Not because she was on some stupid mission. She was flawed and in LOTR she regained her balance and completed her arc. This show just fucking ruins all that.
I just HATE that they had a good story of the Second Age already written down but because they could afford to buy the rights to the Silmarilion or whatever. They don't even explain Valanor or the First Age correctly. The literal ground and earth was damaged in the First Age because it wasn't just Elves going to fuck up Morgoth, it was the fucking Miar and Valar. Literal gods and angels. They were so powerful that their battles ruined the damn planet LOL. Now that shit is epic, with MASSIVE dragons and dozens of Balrogs. Imagine Sauron but 100 times more powerful and that's Morgoth. Not just one of the most powerful beings in the world, THE MOST POWERFUL other than the Creator of life itself. Now imagine what it would take to destroy that thing.
God, all this cool lore just down the fucking drain.
Galadriel in the books is “problematic” because a strong woman ruling the world with absolute power, dominating all other people, must be a good thing.
Galadriel rejecting absolute girl boss status goes against the woke worldview.
I mean, they made her quote Sauron in retrospective, this is really bad.. Why..
That's why no one can replicate Peter jacksons work let alone Tolkiens true work.
Thanks to today's woke ass people and EQUALITY
Christ... That sounds so good. If the show was more like what you described and not like the garbage Amazon turned it into, I would watch that. Gods, angels, and elves fighting against the armies of Morgorth, huge monstrous dragons, BALROGS?? Sign me up!
Fuck this show.
I NEED TO READ THE BOOKS, SERIOUSLY.
"Evil does not sleep. It waits."
Haha, I cannot bring myself to believe that the scriptwriters were unaware that that is a variation of an old Chuck Norris joke.
Nah, they probably thought how brilliant that line is because she pretty much schooled the person she told this to. I do not remember whether it was Elrond cosplayer or who. But she told him! She has so much wisdom! She is.. Joan de Arc.. I mean "Ga-LadRiÉL"
That line is stolen from Zack Snyder's Justice League LMAO
Evil fact:
"When Evil stands next to a fire, Evil does not get hot... The fire gets Evil."
Just like Amazon waited for Christopher Tolkien to pass,before churning _this_ crap out....
Talk about a "self report",Bezos.....
kinda like how certain evil waited for Tolkien and his son to die to get their hands on the appendices
Timestamps
0:00 Singing
0:46 Metal's Adventures
2:30 Current Plans For The Future
11:30 Is Efap Supporting Bad Movies
27:00 It Begins
29:39 Bizarre Metaphors
43:15 Lore Dump
47:33 The Helmet Pyramid
54:09 Sauron
56:16 The Frozen Mountain
1:25:04 Battle Time in a FantaShe Show
1:35:05 Going Home
1:36:36 HardFoots
1:41:55 Elrond (1)
1:43:59 Hardfoots, Wolves & Berries
1:45:19 Elrond (2)
1:48:02 A Vacuous Show
1:50:20 Elves For Everyone!
1:52:25 Galadriel
2:05:46 Sadoc
2:07:54 Stank People & The Hot Girl
2:12:45 The Elf & The Lady
2:15:30 The Elf & The Man
2:17:32 War Is Over
2:21:12 The Elf, The Man & The Cow
2:25:13 The Sauron Sword
2:26:02 Galadriell
2:27:38 Elves That Don’t Look Like Real Elves
2:32:11 Back to Black
2:35:15 Galadrielll & The Comet
2:40:27 The Unconventional Fire
2:42:22 The Odd Case
2:50:37 The Timeline
2:52:12 The Title Sequence
2:55:00 Episode II
2:58:24 The Fall
3:00:28 A Bizarre Choice
3:01:25 A Good Meme
3:01:49 The Festival & Lack Of Engagement
3:05:14 A Wierd Exchange
3:08:01 The Elf & The Elfriend
3:11:16 Elves: From Eregion to Khazad Dum
3:17:05 Rags Has Dwarf Problems & Theories
3:20:34 Exposition Time & The Lack Of Events
3:23:23 Nori & The Starman
3:30:23 Galadriellll in The Water
3:38:20 Elrond And The Dwarfs
3:55:16 Galadrielllll And The Guy
3:57:24 The Human Village
4:01:40 Back to Elfirend
4:04:33 Horror Of The Rings
4:09:54 Galadriellllll In The Storm
4:13:04 Hardfoots & The Spaceman
4:15:00 The Episode Fades Away
4:19:35 A Really Good Impression
4:21:23 Opinions On An Apathetic Scale
4:33:44 Fringy’s POV
4:38:16 Rags’ PTSD
4:38:55 It’s not over
4:39:56 Superchats (1)
4:57:09 Metrics
4:58:47 Superchats (2)
5:00:53 Hemingway Iceberg Theory
5:02:44 Superchats (3)
5:05:45 Hate-Watching
5:07:28 Games Business
5:11:55 Superchats (4)
5:12:58 Halo Update
5:24:47 Superchats (5)
5:34:57 At the end of the day
5:36:38 Ancient Gods
5:38:29 EFAP Micro: Astronomy
5:52:03 Superchats (6)
6:06:53 Pokemon
6:14:00 Closing Time
Amen.
Let me give you a kiss (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Thank you for taking over from Headmetwall
27:47 "It will not float, _it will sail."_ _-The floating _*_CGI_*_ paper boat_
2:05:46 Our super smart black elf deserves every bigoted insult he gets. Don't ever spoil a public chess game. Seriously. Fuck that guy.
I got half way through the “Efap supporting bad movies” thing before I went looking for some time stamps to skip ahead. Thank you for your service!
@@R.E.-Gato you're welcome!
It’s like they didn’t know how to capture the ethereal feel of the elves in the books or Jackson’s trilogy so they just slathered more grime on the humans for comparison.
Jackson applied a subtle blur onto the faces of the elves whih made them look unaging and clean. Here you can see the actors just shaved yesterday.
This is so fucking funny as someone that was online when the trilogy released. People fucking hated Hugo as Elrond, and the Elves in general were thought of as ultra-cliche. Time is a flat circle.
@@vindikaktus Or, you know, people change their minds.
I'm not too familiar with the lore but are elves known to all have long hair or no
As bad an adaption as hobbit was at lest that felt like Tolkien, this is so far from that that it's GoT.
Elves being bullies just shows how much the writers don't care in the slightest about the traits of the races that inhabit Tolkien's world. It would be like having Orcs being really thoughtful and kind.
There is one silver lining of this show. It made me want to cleanse myself by going back and reading The Silmarillion again.
And no, it's not the new "updated" one with God Queen Galadriel on the cover in shining, immaculate armor.
The suggestion that people's personality traits is based on their race is very sussy indeed my dude. That fascist belief may very well have been acceptable to people in ye olden days of British colonialism, but this is the 21st Century, bucko. Keep the past in the past. That's what Gullgutten says today!
@@NotoriousLightning so, elves do literally have different personality traits based on their biology. They are almost always patient, and thats because they are biologically immortal. And if elf children did bully, it probably wouldn't be in the way that human children do. Feanor is literally one of the most notable elves in the Silmarillion BECAUSE he acts like a typical neurotic bully. He's an exception.
And the assertion that Elves and Humans have different traits based on biology isn't fascist. It's fantasy, dude, that is literally a fact of the universe in Lord of the Rings.
@@visperad541 Exactly. Elves aren’t a “race”, they’re a “species”. Being functionally immortal, they have a very different mindset from humans, and they just are patient and calm in comparison to humans because except for lunatics like Feanor, even the most rash and impulsive elf is operating on a time scale of decades and centuries, not days and weeks.
I mean they kill each other over boats not too much later.
@@NotoriousLightning Someone doesn’t think evolutionary biology applies to humans. Lol. So, you’re telling me that groups of humans that were separated by not only thousands of miles, but thousands of years are going evolve to be almost identical in every way? Lol, I truly don’t understand this post-modernist bullshit mindset. Groups of humans have differences between them. The demarcations aren’t as clear-cut as white, black, yellow, red, etc, but there are differences and it isn’t just down to skin color and height. That’s all we’re saying. We’re not saying that some groups are better or worse. We’re just saying that they have interesting, unique, and subtle differences.
loved the scene where guyladriel said 'I feel the need, the need for something something dark side...' Tolkien only wished he could write such
I absolutely support not hate-watching the show if it's bad; but EFAP and critics are the guys who SHOULD be watching it. You guys scout the territory, let the rest of us know what it's like, and if it's bad THEN we don't watch it even to laugh at it.
Ironic really. They're "reviewers." Emphasis on the words *"view"* and *"re-".* There's a time and place for boycotts and activism, but every piece of media deserves fair critique. An objective breakdown of the show's merits regardless of its cultural or political significance. Critics have to *view* and *re-view* a product to properly do their job.
I get it. Amazon is acting scummy on a man's work and I hope they feel even a smidge of shame, I get it. But let's allow a fair bit of open, neutral ground here.
Also, I don't want to give these showrunners the satisfaction of calling themselves "martyrs to the alt-right waycist brigade". They're not activists, they're hacks. They can't do their jobs right, so they compensate by fighting strangers on Twatter. No, if they're gonna get fired, they're gonna get it specifically because they're shit at writing.
The scene where Bilbo said to Gandalf that "you'll get your rent when you fix this damn door!" was amazing and fitted the vision of J R R Lewis.
I adored the part where Galadriel put on the ring, kicked Sauron in the balls and shouted "NOW THIS IS BUSSIN'"
ITS GALADRING TIME
"Let's try spinning; that's a good trick!"
Amazot don't like it too much the plebs giving them bad reviews, so they turned them off. The Customer Is Always Right eh? Not during these monopolistic days.
Is that before or after she was twerking with the all female rangers of Numenorian origin?
I think that’s the Taika Waititi episode.
After they fucked up Wheel of Time I had trouble finding the crowd that saw the flaws, I ended up watching tons of Shads commentary on it because it was nice to hear that someone else saw what I saw
Disparu does a great piss taking of WoT too. Highly recommend.
Shad fake fits and theatrics are exhausting, plus the dude is rather dumb.
Disparu is way, way better.
(Dude likes Twilight and thinks Stephanie Myers is a writer...but then, he uses AI for most of the "Art" he "creates")
Can't wait to listen to 4 guys talk about a show I won't even glance at. It's really fun. Saves me the time of embarrassing myself and this is wayyyy more entertaining than that trash.
Smacznego i dobranoc.
Also, only watching this means I won't be supporting the show
@@lguinancio That also
you are soooooooo right !! this is utter shit ,this is more way more fun
Exactly! I decided to give the first episode an objective view and proceeded to cringe a loooooot. Many wtf? moments. Sad thing is it sort of kinda had potential as anything other than LOTR. Still pretty bad though
Something that immediately pissed me off was the way they showed Finrod being killed by Sauron. It's supposed to be a battle of song and magic only for Finrod and Beren being captured. Sauron sends a wolf to kill Beren and Finrod breaks out of his chains to beat the wolf to death with his bare hands while receiving a deadly wound saving his friend. It's a badass story.
Almost as if they should have spent their dumb budget on adapting that story, you know, the one that was already written by one of the greatest writers to ever live...
@@possiblepuzzles8137 the problem is they don’t have the rights to it. Which makes it even worse that they tried to somehow tell the story anyway.
The Silmarillion is indeed badass.
That's too much toxic masculinity
@@TeutonicKnight92 Thats something Ill never get. They got the rights to the setting, they got the rights to make things in the setting, but somehow they didn't get the rights to tell the setting as it was?
from the perspective of a sailor.... her going into the water is a nigh death sentence. she's far from land so that water is COLD. and water naturally sucks the heat from your body. she won't die of thirst, she'll die of hypothermia in a few hours or just lose all the energy in her body and drown. also you're not swimming anywhere with that current. you wouldn't even be able to tell where you are. you couldn't navigate.
One could say the same thing about climbing a mountain in metal armor. Obviously not as fast, but the same forces at play.
Yeah, that was one of the dumbest things I've seen so far in the show.
Jumping into an open ocean with long clothes and a hunk of steel is a fast way to die.
But hey if elves can walk on snow maybe they are also very bouyant and can tread water for like a week. Regardless, not a brilliant decision.
I was hoping the raft people would be cannabalistic. It would be dark af if they pulled her on to a raft and there was blood on the wood and that leads to something covered hidden in the corner of the raft would be some good tension.
@@aaronjustice9020 Also what's stopping a Leviathan from just eating her?
Yup, unlike cold air, water gets direct contact with the skin, where as the air will have to slowly sap the heat away as the body's natural oily-layer on top of the skin helps insulate, the natural heat the body radiates also helps combat cold air, etc. But water just, as you mention, suck the heat from the body. Most likely in a few minutes only if VERY cold.
But elves are super special though.... Jk her swimming all the way is stupid but navigation would be fairly easy since it's basically Minecraft rules at the point of geological history
And another line in the show that bothered me was Celebrimbor talking about the dwarves working stone "with the love one shows in caring for aged parent."
At this point in History, no elf has ever had an aged parent to care for. Maybe they witnessed it in humans... but there is no way he could relate well enough to attatch reverence to it. Especially Celebrimbor... who has pretty much lived in that workshop for 100s of years.
Celebrimbor's actor was too old to play him even. Elves don't get elderly for a long long long time. Elrond was middle aged in Fellowship... after like what, 6000 years?
In the 2nd age, they should have all looked like 26 year old long haired blonde Swedish kids.
Idk whats up with all these short hair cuts, elves were all about their long hair. And how did Token get that killer fade?
Strictly speaking, Elrond only looked middle-aged because he spent so long being indecisive about whether or not he was an Elf or a Man. As he was born of both his spirit had to make a choice as to which he belonged (as half elves cannot remain as such and must choose between the two.)
Elrond eventually choose to embrace his elven half and abandon his other half, but the weariness of years imparted upon his self by that blood took a permanent toll on him, making him aged and frail compared to other elves.
Where tf did you get the blonde swedish kids from? The only explicitly blonde elves are the Vanyar who all live in Valinor and Galadriel. Afair Noldor are described as dark haired
@@fips4595 hyperbole for the sake of flair lol. I know there's brunette elves. Elrond has dark hair.
In Jackson's trilogy, most of the elves we see are the platinum blonde straight long haired Lorien elves.
@@gwoody4003 those aren't the elves that were dominant in the first and second age though. I suppose I'm a bit jumpy because of all the idiots complaining about black elves
@@fips4595 Where did black elves come from? I have not read every scrap of Tolkien's writings.
Cus ethnicity is directly correlated with geographic location and environment over 1000s of generations.
I may be ignorant of a small snippet of lore that explains how an isolated population from a single location somehow produced such genetic diversity, in spite of their isolation and single ancestral geographic location... an Island in the middle of the ocean.
Cus there aren't any black Vikings or white Zulu for the same reason there ought not be the odd black elf or single black Harfoot family. Especially considering there hasn't been 1000s of generations of genetic adaption.
People with a greater Tolkien scholarship than me have affirmed that understanding...
So where did they come from?
This show is perfect for the meme format:
"We have Lord of the Rings at home"
Lord of the Rings at home:
You could already apply The Hobbit trio to this format 😂
I predict that harfoot girl is going to be the one that gives Gandalf his name and teach him his powers.
Not-Gandalf will battle Sauron and will just about "kill" him only to have Galadriel come in and decide to give him mercy because we need the original trilogy to happen.
Galadriel will stop not-Gandalf from killing Sauron by saying "It's not the Jedi way" and then cutting his hand off with Anduril.
@@scottski02 Galadriel will stop Gandalf from killing Sauron by telling him that they'll win by saving those they love, not destroying what they hate.
@@TheSlammurai Probably with Grond smashing through the city gates of the elven capital simultaneously in the background and orcs rushing into it shortly thereafter.
This would be on-theme with the "you should listen to women who make the absolute worst decisions possible" trope we've being seeing for the last few years
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 With trebuchets on the frontline.
MauLer: If Rings of Power fails Amazon Studios will fall.
Me: My lord it would a number beyond reckoning, thousands to storm the keep
MauLer: Tens of thousands.
Me: But my lord there is no such force *looks out to see the infernal creatures of the toxic brood*
Remember how Fringy flew into a rage when he saw what the Batwoman writers teased with Hush? That’s pretty much how it feels here with Amazon’s: The Rings of Power for the LOTR fandom except the worst is actually going to happen instead of it all just being shut down in the very next episode.
And unlike DC. Lord of the Rings has no immense multiverse……yet
NOUGH
When I saw the animation of Fringy getting angry, the boss theme from Fire Emblem Three Houses started playing in my head.
I never knew until that Mini that Fringy has a specialized AK-47 that fires 300 NOUGHS per minute
The thing that really twists the knife for me is the fact that with the right team and some god damn patience Amazon could have gotten the rights to the actual proper lord of the rings trilogy and if they took care in who they choose to write and direct it with the billion dollars theyve thrown into this project it could have been amazing. Instead were left with fantasy far worse than season 8 of game of thrones and the story they have to work with is a direvative of a direvative of an offshoot from a glossary, fuck me whoever heard this idea and said that sounds fantastic how about we give you a billion dollars should be shot in the patented Bezos cock rocket directly into the sun.
The stone vs ship thing is actually an elvish joke that's racist towards dwarves because they're made from stone.
👍🤣🤣🤣
Which is weird because at the time of the scene they don't even know what dwarves are yet... Yet the racism is just that inate 😬
@@possiblepuzzles8137 yeah, plus the scene in the show doesn't reference or hint at dwarves at all
Even better the reference between the ship and stone is accually a direct pull from the Witcher Books.
When Galadriel asks how are you suspose to tell the difference between the Stars in the water and the Stars in the Sky.
The Line in the Blood of Elves I believe the Protagonist said to Geralt. "You Fool, you mistake the Reflections in the water to be the stars of the sky"
@@possiblepuzzles8137 hasn't simaril icident happened already with the green elves?
The part when Galadriel high fives Apollo Creed and says "Dillon, you son of a bitch" while flexing her enormous biceps left me shook. Pique art kino.
What's the matter? Kingdom got you pushing too many quills?
@@zogwort1522 already done
The world was young, the mountains green,
No stain yet on the Moon was seen,
No words were laid on stream or stone
When Durin woke and walked alone.
He named the nameless hills and dells;
He drank from yet untasted wells;
He stooped and looked in Mirrormere,
And saw a crown of stars appear,
As gems upon a silver thread,
Above the shadow of his head.
The world was fair, the mountains tall,
In Elder Days before the fall
Of mighty kings in Nargothrond
And Gondolin, who now beyond
The Western Seas have passed away:
The world was fair in Durin's Day.
A king he was on carven throne
In many-pillared halls of stone
With golden roof and silver floor,
And runes of power upon the door.
The light of sun and star and moon
In shining lamps of crystal hewn
Undimmed by cloud or shade of night
There shone for ever fair and bright.
There hammer on the anvil smote,
There chisel clove, and graver wrote;
There forged was blade, and bound was hilt;
The delver mined, the mason built.
There beryl, pearl, and opal pale,
And metal wrought like fishes' mail,
Buckler and corslet, axe and sword,
And shining spears were laid in hoard.
Unwearied then were Durin's folk;
Beneath the mountains music woke:
The harpers harped, the minstrels sang,
And at the gates the trumpets rang.
The world is grey, the mountains old,
The forge's fire is ashen-cold;
No harp is wrung, no hammer falls:
The darkness dwells in Durin's halls;
The shadow lies upon his tomb
In Moria, in Khazad-dûm.
But still the sunken stars appear
In dark and windless Mirrormere;
There lies his crown in water deep,
Till Durin wakes again from sleep.
Written by Tolkien and sung by Gimli as the Fellowship traveled through the Mines of Moria. Compare this poem to anything in these new shows.
Bruh, that was beautiful. How could they hope to live up to even this one song?
"No! No! We do not have the budget to reference the heartfelt part of Tolkien's work!"
My favourite Tolkien poem.
Clamavi de Profundis cover -
m.th-cam.com/video/uxfoa23skHg/w-d-xo.html
Yes, I could sum up Galadriel's character with "resting bitch face". She is such a bland, angry unlikable character. None of the grace, mystery, power and elegance of the original trilogy or book version. She is a abrasive, angry, boring one dimensional knight of the round table that everyone forgot. Oh and her dialogue is superb. "You have not seen what I have seen." I have seen my fair share. "You have not seen what I have seen." Wow, just wow. Award winning writing right there. I stood up and clapped, especially the part where she said "its Morbin time!". That part was my favorite.
Read the Unfinished Tales and extended works. Galadriel isn't the basket-weaving pacifist grandma Jackson told you. At least not according to Tolkien.
@@vindikaktus I understand she isnt some peaceful non-combatant. I know she fought with the sons of Feanor and was in crazy battles. And you see her fight and you see her powers in the Hobbit movies. Im just utterly disappointed in the incredibly unlikable representation of her in RoP. There is nothing charismatic, wise, ageless, mystical, or otherwise about her really. She seems like an angry young human women in plate mail. And its not the anger itself thats the problem, its that its her defining feature.
@@vindikaktus Jackson didn't even portray her that way. She was a fierce yet majestic enchantress. She was portrayed as dangerous despite aligning with the fellowship and her softer side emerged only after she rejected the ring from Frodo.
@@vindikaktus I believe she missed most of the major battles because she was in Doriath behind the magic barrier of the Queen, and then later she went over the mountains to what would be Erigion to rule the Elves there with her husband. Her involvement would be as a rule of her people, organizer of defenses and armies, not a sword toting harridan.
"Objectivity is objective, in my subjective opinion."
-Bilbo Baggins
I'm scanning through the comments section and like 1/3 or more of the comments so far belong to you. Piss off spammer, your comments su*k.
Bilbo Let go of the ring, you aren’t you when you’re holding it
Did you switch the B's???
Morgoth killed the trees to feed to his ally, the spider demon Ungoliant. It's also the 2nd time he destroyed the light source of the world because he's the petty devil figure and he just kinda wants to break everyone else's toys. Whenever you encounter unanswered questions it's because they're taking literally thousands of years of dense Tolkien lore and condensing it into two minutes of exposition.
(I don't know if this has been pointed out anywhere, but I'm commenting anyway). While I was watching the first two episodes, I was trying to figure out why the dialogue felt so stilted and weird and it occurred to me that everyone is engaging in TrailerSpeak - as in every single line feels like something that should be cut and inserted into a trailer, along with some big music cue to make it dramatic. It feels like everyone is trying to out-do everyone else and there's very little functional connections between the characters.
I call it "spaghetti one liners." It's like they have a giant pile of one liners they want positive memes of, but the catch is they won't know what's gonna stick. So hey why not throw everything at the wall and see how it goes? Lol. It ends up making the dialogue mega forced and awkward
Good observation
I noticed this too, I wasn’t sure what the problem was at first…but your brain did.
Keep in mind while the children are bullying Galadriel, she is a literal PRINCESS. Not just a princess, a princess of two dynasties. She is the granddaughter of two kings. Yeah that's the kind of person the local village kids like to pick on.
I can only see that making sense if they were also royalty, I don't know if they are though
I always pick on the most powerful person in the field, yes.
Harfoots really are amazing creatures.
You can learn all there is to know about their ways in a single scene...
And yet after two hours of screen time, we're still cutting back to them.
I actually watched that shit on 2x speed. Still felt like lighting time on fire
Lore breaking Harfoots who are not doing their thing :)
" _Hobbit_ was the name usually applied by the Shire-folk to all their kind. Men called them _Halflings_ and the Elves _Periannath._ The origin of the word _hobbit_ was by most forgotten. It seems, however, to have been at first a name given to the Harfoots by the Fallohides and Stoors, and to be a worn-down form of a word preserved more fully in Rohan: _holbytla_ 'hole-builder'."
So Harfoots were known for their custom of hole digging...in the show they are...riding,...carts?! :) It's dumb anyway to have them other than brief cameo, they have no place in the actual stories of that time period. The whole 'worldbuilding' about them in the show is nonsensical and completely defies any lore about early hobbit socieites in Tolkien works.
Finrod did not die like a pleb in some battle, he died by the hand of Sauron directly (it would be much better motivation IMO), while protecting Beren (the greatest story of the first age), on his quest for Silmaril. Biggest problem is that this messes up established lore from the movies, as Aragorn, is identified by Saruman because he has Finrods ring on his finger ... Beren is ancestor to Elrond, Aragorn kings of Númenor, Arnor and Gondor.
I will say it as many times as I can. They should have used the budget to adapt the story of Beren and Luvien.
They do not care about the lore.
"Don't ask questions, just consume product"
He died fighting (and killing) a werewolf with his bare hands. The show really didn’t do justice to Finrod Felagund and his massive balls.
@@possiblepuzzles8137 Having seen what I have seen, I'm glad they didn't get to touch the Silmarillion. The greatest (to Tolkien) Middle-earth tale, that of Lúthien and Beren, must be kept a million miles away from these people.
My favorite part is when Galadriel dramatically turns to Not-Gandalf and said "You're a wizard, hobo!". Truly a cinema.
"Feels good to be a massive."
-Dilldo Faggins
Are wizards fallen angels? Who knew... 😑
"I'm a womaaaaaaaan!"
Galadriel baggins
@@sparkypack And Eagles are the children of angels.
Do you know the difference between a stone and a ship? A stone doesn't know which way is up. Oh wait... TROS proved ships don't know either...
No, you see, it's because Exegol was so bright that they couldn't see anything, so they couldn't find up, and the atmosphere was pulling them down, and Palpatine was bullying them so they kept sinking.
If you'd just read the comics, you'd know, smh...
What irritates me is that Gil Galad in the actual lore is the one who warns everyone that evil is rising in the east, yet in Amazon's anti-fan fiction, he's the one who wants to bury his head in the sand the most
An interview with the actor gave me the impression that it will be that way in the show.
@@pyktukasplays4945 We'll see, but so far not good. Even then it's only because Galadriel will convince him. Bonus points if he steals her thunder and pretends it was him the whole time because men bad
@@Southerly93 _“Gil-galad in the books has this prescient sense of he’s always a bit ahead of curve on anticipating the rise of evil and that kind of ultra-vigilance. And he understands that the price of peace is vigilance and that gives him a kind of melancholy, but I like it about him. He’s constantly on the lookout. He’s the guy at the party when everyone’s having a good time who’s going, ‘Something doesn’t feel right.’”_ - the actor who plays Gil-Galad answering about what be knows about the character.
_"We know him as a warrior, we’re going to get to see him as a warrior. But he’s a politician in the sense that we wish we had, in that he attempts to bring out the best in all of us, so that when we do need to come together, we can."_ - the actor about Gil-Galad's depiction.
It also annoys me that they cast Manager Marshmallow to play him while wasting Joseph Mawle on yet another irrelevant, made-up origin short. I know Gary at Nerdrotic wants him for Sauron, but I honestly think Gil-Galad is a much more difficult character to cast, and Mawle would be absolutely perfect. There is enough to be seen from the cast they chose to know that this is the perfect moment in time to adapt Tolkien's Second Age to the screen, but too many untalented (but well-connected) woke clout-chasers have hijacked Tolkien's name and Jackson's acclaim to make up every story *except* the one they marketed the show as telling.
@sarahgould5435 the manager marshmallow part really got me lol. Also yeah that's a good idea, but honestly I'm apathetic to the whole thing. Better no lotr content than leave it in the hands of Amazon
So it begins…
Ep1 Timestamps: 26:48 - 2:42:22
Prologue:
26:48 - Galadriel bullied & magic origami
29:38 - Finrod’s cryptic advice
43:15 - Speed running the First Age
47:34 - Helmet Tetris
51:15 - Skipping past Morgoth
54:12 - Mafioso Sauron brands Finrod
55:47 - Several centuries later…
Galadriel finds an evil fortress:
56:23 - Knife ice climbing
58:52 - Sunlight fears to tread
1:07:54 - Evil makes fire cold
1:12:54 - Galadriel punches herself
1:15:33 - The Dark Mark
1:25:19 - They have a Snow Troll
1:35:07 - Elven Mutiny
Meeting the Harfoot tribe:
1:36:38 - Hobbo Erectus
1:39:46 - It’s berryin’ time
Meeting Elrond, the gay BF:
1:41:54 - Elrond writing in VFX land
1:43:59 - (wolves are chill)
1:45:13 - Drop everything, Galadriel is here
Nori isn’t like other Hobbits:
1:49:02 - Say what you mean
Galadriel sent to Valinor:
1:50:24 - Crowning the Woman King
1:51:50 - All the fireworks!
1:52:26 - Elrond mansplains sense
Meeting the new Legolas:
2:05:46 - Ruining a chess game
2:07:06 - Action is character
2:07:55 - Disgusting men
2:09:40 - Racism has lost its subtlety
2:12:45 - Tell me, do you heal?
2:15:30 - Flippin’ the bow
2:16:08 - Btw you stink
2:16:36 - Interracial relationships bad
2:17:36 - The racist tower
Evil in the Southlands:
2:21:13 - I wanna taste the black milk
2:24:01 - She kind of forgot about his news
2:25:14 - Spooky Sauron sword
Sailing to the Undying Lands:
2:26:04 - No chairs allowed
Meeting Celebrimbor the Wrinkled:
2:27:17 - Elven High King is a liar
2:27:58 - Expensive Cosplay
2:29:16 - Enter stage right
2:30:39 - The 14th Doctor
Nori being nosy:
2:31:30 - The skies are strange
The Watch haven’t been watchful:
2:32:11 - Racist simp
2:32:48 - Village burning with evil (hot) fire
Closing Montage:
2:35:18 - Approaching Valinor
2:35:54 - Waiting for a comet
2:36:56 - Coincidence? I think not!
2:38:00 - Touch the darkness
2:39:14 - Convenient comet
2:39:24 - Venom Leaf
2:40:27 - Red herring Sauron symbol
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EFAP Halftime Comments:
2:42:22
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Ep2 Timestamps: 2:52:15 - 4:18:10
Title Sequence:
2:52:15 - Vapid & incoherent
Touching Meteor-Man:
2:55:00 - Assuming a wizard’s identity
2:56:56 - Keep it secret
2:58:50 - Squatting
2:59:55 - Do you get it? She’s different
3:01:10 - Meme break
3:01:44 - Nobody wants to investigate
3:02:10 - Disappearing fire trick
3:02:38 - Single-use dialogue
3:07:27 - Nori the narcissist
Investigating the burnt village:
3:08:00 - The worst detectives
3:09:34 - Stone face
3:09:50 - A hole!
Elrond’s side quest:
3:11:17 - MauLer misreads the scene…
[the ‘how’ is the forge they need in order to make the ‘what’ (we’ll find out later that it’s the rings of power)]
3:12:27 - One does simply walk into Moria
3:16:35 - Diplomatic move of the Age
3:18:19 - Neat visuals & music
3:19:52 - Dwarves take no fall damage
3:20:35 - You know the rules
3:22:53 - Losing preciousss time
Feeding the homeless:
3:23:25 - Pet hobo munchies
3:24:32 - No speaka de English
3:26:11 - Worst community ever
3:28:03 - I’m a Harfoot!
3:28:48 - Can’t walk can’t migrate
3:29:38 - Halfway achievements
Galadriel bumps into a raft:
3:30:40 - Sit down Michael Phelps
3:30:54 - What are the odds?
3:31:39 - Ship hands go to Heaven
3:32:29 - Fate is a funny thing
3:33:25 - A boat of racists!
3:34:23 - We’re gonna need a bigger raft
3:35:54 - Action mandate
3:36:06 - Halbrand’s ‘character’ (Sauron)
3:37:00 - Action mandate, again
3:37:12 - Elven metabolism
Durin vs Elrond:
3:38:21 - Grudge match
3:39:58 - Best scene of the show (sort of)
3:41:47 - Elrond is the worst
3:46:50 - Meet the family
3:47:37 - Dwarven science
3:48:45 - Don’t be hasty
3:49:16 - Weirdly warm welcome
3:50:14 - Mountains are like people
3:52:05 - Where the light don’t (?) shine
3:53:53 - Conflict resolved, moving on
3:54:25 - MauLer hates world building
3:54:50 - Art Department praise
The Sundering Seas:
3:55:17 - Worst icebreaker ever
3:56:03 - Humble brag
3:56:33 - I WILL FIND THEM
3:57:01 - Thunderstorm sneak attack
The most apathetic village:
3:57:23 - Pics or it didn’t happen
3:59:41 - I’d rather die than not be racist
4:00:32 - Chekhov’s mice
In the tunnel:
4:01:40 - Is this not what you wanted..?
4:03:01 - Stranger Things have happened
4:04:34 - JA Bayona leaves his mark
4:05:04 - Crappy shaky cam fight
4:07:25 - No questions asked
Finding friendship in the storm:
4:09:53 - Galadriel on pause
4:12:24 - An act of god
4:12:48 - What a nice guy
Closing montage:
4:13:05 - 10,000 fireflies
4:15:04 - Mithril mystery box
4:16:23 - Anti-gravity blood
4:17:55 - Again, what are the chances?
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EFAP Closing impressions:
4:18:10 - Meh
4:21:25 - Most apathetic to least
Hero
“All shall look upon me and despair.”
-Rings of power
Wait, hold on a second right there!
Fireworks.
Okay, so, Gandalf having fireworks, wizard and all, great! Making them himself and all, etc, it's explained, otherwise it causes problems.
Elves having fireworks... You're telling me you got the boom boom powder ? Then they all deserve to die for not using it in warfare. Even the fireworks themselves would be useful. God damn please Sauron rid this earth of such stupidity, they don't deserve to be on this earth.
Yeah the fireworks were done by Gandalf, and others like Saruman and Sauron had their own explosives, substances they did use for war, Gandalf preferred to have it for peaceful purposes for art and part of his expertise the fire magics, Sauron and Saruman used and allowed their troops to use various explosives:
Sauron's:
"The bells of day had scarcely rung out again ... when far away he saw fires spring up, across in the dim spaces where the walls of the Pelennor stood. The watchmen cried aloud, and all men in the City stood to arms. Now ever and anon there was a red flash, and slowly through the heavy air dull rumbles could be heard.
'They have taken the wall!' men cried. 'They are blasting breaches in it. They are coming!'
'Where is Faramir?' cried Beregond in dismay. 'Say not that he has fallen!'"
The Return of the King, LoTR Book 5, Ch 4, The Siege of Gondor
Troops of Mordor used the explosives of some kind to blow up the walls of Rammas Echor.
Saruman's:
"Even as they spoke there came a blare of trumpets. Then there was a crash and a flash of flame and smoke. The waters of the Deeping-stream poured out hissing and foaming: they were choked no longer, a gaping hole was blasted in the wall. A host of dark shapes poured in.
'Devilry of Saruman!' cried Aragorn. 'They have crept in the culvert again ... and they have lit the fire of Orthanc beneath our feet. "
...
"Blasts of fire leaped up from below shaking the stones.
....
There was a roar and a blast of fire. The archway of the gate above which [Aragorn] had stood a moment before crumbled and crashed in smoke and dust. The barricade was scattered as if by a thunderbolt."
So it's unclear if the peoples of Middle-earth would have those without the intervention of the higher divine beings aiding them with their knowledge at this stage in their history. Every single case here is due to a Maia knowledge. Elves especially the Noldor are highly skilled in various sciences they are inventors and the closest to 'technologically able' Elves, they have great technical skills so one could imagine them having some sort of substances, they certainly have knowledge of chemistry to some extent (in the earlier drafts of Tolkien works like Book of Lost Tales we hear of the elven siege engines, for casting missiles and other devices for war:
"Then the Orcs stayed their hands, and said they would give him life if the matters he opened to them seemed to merit that; and Meglin told them of all the fashion of that plain and city, of its walls and their height and thickness, and the valour of its gates; of the host of men at arms who now obeyed Turgon he spoke, and the countless hoard of weapons gathered for their equipment, of the engines of war and the venomous fires."
...
"But now Gothmog lord of Balrogs, captain of the hosts of Melko, took counsel andgathered all his th ings of iron that could coil themselves around and above all obstacles before them. These he bade pile themselves before the northern gate; and behold, their great spires reached even to its threshold and thrust at the towers and bastions about it, and by reason of the exceeding heaviness of their bodies those gates fell, and great was the noise thereof: yet the most of the walls around them still stood firm. Then the engines and the catapults of the king poured darts and boulders and molten metals on those ruthless beasts, and their hollow bellies clanged beneath the buffeting, yet it availed not for they might not be broken, and the fires rolled off them."
"Then Türgon’s heart was saddened, remembering the words of Tuor in past years before the palace doors; and he caused the watch and ward to be thrice strengthened at all points, and engines of war to be devised by his artificers and set upon the hill. Poisonous fires and hot liquids, arrows and great rocks, was he prepared to shoot down on any who would assail those gleaming walls;")
The only good thing about this show is that I can find the LOTR novels in more stores
Good comment.
Most people say: ''watch the peter jackson movies''.
You tell me you didn't like the guys with the antlers on their backs and the short haired elves? 🤣🤣🤣
@@sparkypack Not to mention beardless dwarves. At this rate, screw it, and just throw in some Tieflings, Khajiit, or some such. 🤣
it's not in any stores though
How many copies are you planning to buy, exactly? 🤔
“A pound of boat is lighter than a pound of rock.”
-Bilbonus Bagger
I caught the Nerdrotic stream, there were some good memes over there. Like MauLer saying how in order to have more white people in the show they had to come from space
3:14:05 Nevermind how far it is from Eregion to Khazad-Dum, Elrond and Celebrimbor managed to get from Lindon to Eregion in seemingly less than a day! That's almost as long as the whole journey for the fellowship!
They couldn't delay Rings of Power because they wanted to release it on the anniversary of Tolkien's death. Quite ghoulish, it feels almost as if they are celebrating his passing.
They are. The writers hate him because he had talent that they lack, and they hate you because you can recognize and appreciate it.
@@kylevolbrecht9255 Facts
One of the quotes from one of the show creators is that theyre "looking to fix the sins of the past." And insinuated Tolkien being a racist multiple times.
They absolutely hate him.
Cultural Marxists always on that - demoralization train.
@@annatardlordofderps9181 Racist?? The guy who said his dwarves have "Very Jewish qualities to them"?? No way!
This seems like a classic example of style over substance. Congratulations to the producers, writers, and directors on creating the equivalent of a postcard in television form. It draws the attention briefly with some random visual that is essentially meaningless except as a means of imitating the original in the most vacuous way possible.
Imagine being an over-paid Marxist writer for this show, and you're tasked to try and write dialogue that can compete with the vision of a World War Veteran Professor of English Language... There was no way this show would be good with the amateurs involved....
It's all about that Amazon Prime subscription, love
I'm not watching the show, but I like listening to the reviews. Thanks guys! 😊
That's so weird.
"If you go to the undying lands you could spare many lives."
"But then I might be sad though."
Our hero folks.
4 critics not watching a show won’t stop 25 million normies from watching it
If only that...
True, and it will stop people in their audience from wasting their time. EFAP covering it is objectively good if you're sick of this madness.
@@spudg8558 Only if they mock it exactly once and then ignore it forever.
Everytime a media mentions the darkness I’ll always think of kingdom hearts. And when there’s pretentiousness dialogue about the *dhakness* I’ll again think of it
love the part where Elrond says to gandalf " We really shook the pillars of Heaven, didn't we, Wang "
In LOTR, evil cancelling out heat is absolutely a problem. Considering the entire plot of the trilogy centers on “take this evil ring to the only place hot enough to destroy it. The evil volcano in the center of evil kingdom used by evil person”
I love how Scorn, Atomic Heart, and Calisto Protocol were all listed one right after the other as “games we’re looking forward to” 😅
the last couple months of 2022 were rough lol
Nerd of the Rings gave this show an 8/10. Maybe this is the beginning of a love story between him and Star Wars Theory. Looks like they'd get along just fine.
He's a sellout or just a bugman consoomer to begin with. There's a Tolkien lore channel called "Men Of The West" that was a lot more critical.
I would not say it's nearly as bad as the star wars prequels. Hell most of my problems are with pacing and adaptation inaccuracies. So far there aren't many if any plot holes and hell there's some good character work and a pretty good fight scene in the second episode.
I would say that an 8 is optimistic, but I wouldn't say it's not feasible. Especially given how chill and optimistic most LOTR superfans are.
I am not saying that the show is free of flaws, I was very prepared for it to be terrible. Hell I expected it in the first hour. But other than the Galadriel plotline, I'd say it's pretty fine to good. Them Harfoots aren't nearly as bad as I was expecting. And I really like the Dwarven scenes, even if the women should have beards.
@@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604 THANK YOU! I also agree, Galadriel is the weakest plot of the show so far, but all the other ones are actually a treat to watch. I almost teared up seeing the interaction between Elrond and Durin, Durin feeling betrayed that Elrond wasn't around for some of the most significant moments of his life, but slowly warming up to Elrond's heartfelt congratulations and apologies. By all means, the show could get worse in the future, but as it stands, what they've presented is FAR from bad. I'd go so far as to say it's... pretty good so far. I'd give it a 6.5 to 7/10 so far, and I hope it gets better.
@@noahvadertheberserkerpacki6604 Well you can't have many plot holes if you have no plot.
@@DerichndofCoomland Oh really? There's NO plot? Is the original LOTR just walking and talking too? Like sure, if you want to be critical, be critical, but say something of substance.
Sauron is sending orcs to raid the towns of men now that the elves are withdrawing because they don't believe he is active. Galadriel is deadset on proving that Sauron is active dispite the scepticism of her peers.
There is a plot whether you think the plot is good or not. It is slow, I said there were pacing issues. But to say there is NO plot is an inaccuracy.
Arondir basically told her "Hey girl, you're one of the good ones."
53:55 Rags, not to make you even angrier at how absolutely shitty this all is but, just for future reference... The scene we see of Galadriel and the pile of helmets? Those were meant to be skulls, and you want to know what the event where this happened is oficially called by the elves? "The Battle of the Endless Tears." The fucking name of the hill that was artificially created is "HILL OF TEARS." So yeah, "maybe she should have cried" is kind of a good advise.
Wouldn't it be more intimidating if the fire from their torches go out and die if there was an evil presence? They still have light
In any case the 'evil' in question would not be even proof of Sauron's presence because Sauron is usually associated with fire and heat, while Melkor was also known for cold (though he could wield fires and heat as well, but one could go with rule of thumb that Morgoth's evil-deadly cold and ice, Sauron-fire and heat :)). I mean it's even said straight in appendices that it is Morgoth who is often associated with cold and ice:
"These are a strange, unfriendly people, remnant of the Forodwaith, Men of far-off days, accustomed to the bitter colds of the realm of Morgoth. Indeed those colds linger still in that region, though they lie hardly more than a hundred leagues north of the Shire. The Lossoth house in the snow, and it is said that they can run on the ice with bones on their feet, and have carts without wheels. They live mostly, inaccessible to their enemies, on the great Cape of Forochel that shuts off to the north-west the immense bay of that name; but they often camp on the south shores of the bay at the feet of the Mountains."
RotK, Appendix A, I, iii, Eriador, Arnor, and the Heirs of Isildur, Footnote
And here they lost such an opportunity depicting the Lossoth, the Snow-men of Forochel, since this beginning quest is said to be in Forodwaith...but nope they at amazon must be morons! Hell they should have made this journey to the cold wastelands a whole epic journey and set entire episode about it show it properly and not some several minute opening without any sense!
3:35:09 Everyone knows that plot armor doubles as floatation devices...
The whole "don't give negative attention to Rings of Power" thing sounds like an Amazon guerilla marketing strategy.
Just as a tactic, having thousands of negative reviews on a property harms it more than having a few thousand less views.
Hmmm, this gave me a big think.
Agreed, it’s corporate Fed-posting.
Sadly it's razorfist's idea from a recent video.
@@whiskeyhound yeah, I saw that. Did he actually come up with it, or is he signal boosting the idea?
Because, jokes aside, I get why the idea is appealing, but it only makes sense if you assume the Consoomers aren’t going to review-pump the show, and by extension, negate any impact one’s abstinence from viewing could have.
A nice-sounding idea, but an ineffective one.
I watched The Fellowship of the Ring last night instead...time better spent
Time well spent. Fellowship is a very good movie and also a decent adaptation. Don't bother with the other two lotr movies.
Muh muh muh myyyyy Sharona!
Timeless classics.
You should totally bother with the other two movies.
@@smurfsareoppressed9584 abso-bloody-lutely.
Reek is just pissed he lost his peen.
A perfect storm of
Great casting
Great special effects
People who like and understand sources material
I do think Elrond should have noticed it's been at least a longish time since he's seen Durin, but Elves do experince time differently.
From Fellowship of the Ring the Great River chapter, "Sam sat tapping the hilt of his sword as if he were counting on his fingers, and looking up at the sky. ‘It’s very strange,’ he murmured. ‘The Moon’s the same in the Shire and in Wilderland, or it ought to be. But either it’s out of its running, or I’m all wrong in my reckoning. You’ll remember, Mr. Frodo, the Moon was waning as we lay on the flet up in that tree: a week from the full, I reckon. And we’d been a week on the way last night, when up pops a New Moon as thin as a nail-paring, as if we had never stayed no time in the Elvish country. ‘Well, I can remember three nights there for certain, and I seem to remember several more, but I would take my oath it was never a whole month. Anyone would think that time did not count in there!’ ‘And perhaps that was the way of it,’ said Frodo. ‘In that land, maybe, we were in a time that has elsewhere long gone by. It was not, I think, until Silverlode bore us back to Anduin that we returned to the time that flows through mortal lands to the Great Sea. And I don’t remember any moon, either new or old, in Caras Galadhon: only stars by night and sun by day.’ Legolas stirred in his boat. ‘Nay, time does not tarry ever,’ he said; ‘but change and growth is not in all things and places alike. For the Elves the world moves, and it moves both very swift and very slow. Swift, because they themselves change little, and all else fleets by: it is a grief to them. Slow, because they need not count the running years, not for themselves. The passing seasons are but ripples ever repeated in the long long stream. Yet beneath the Sun all things must wear to an end at last."
There's a gap between the previous passage and the upcoming one where Frodo says Galadriel has a Ring of Power and Aragorn tells him to shut it. Next passage, "‘That should not have been said outside Lorien, not even
to me,’ said Aragorn. ‘Speak no more of it! But so it is, Sam:
in that land you lost your count. There time flowed swiftly
by us, as for the Elves. The old moon passed, and a new
moon waxed and waned in the world outside, while we tarried
there. And yestereve a new moon came again. Winter is
nearly gone. Time flows on to a spring of little hope.’ "
So Elves do experince time differently from mortals, but Elrond should have accounted for this imo.
I think it's also something to do with how a 100-year-max species might perceive time compared to one that can live for 1000s of years. How for a human, maybe a week is relatively short, but an elf, that might be a year or more for the same sensation.
Perception of time aside...the 20 years is not that big of time gap,...even for a Dwarf, who commonly live till 250 and more years up to 300 in some cases (also 20 years is too little for a dwarf child to even grow up hell a dwarf of about 30 is still considered too young), the Elves also certainly understand the passage of time for mortals being far quicker....it all feels like the contrived reason to have some sort of conflict about..that is quickly resolved anyway in the plot...there's also the case that...they simply put could have communicated through letters....Elrond lived in Lindon hundreds of miles away from Moria so obvioulsy he would not be able to be always there, there is a journey to pass between those points to consider. As Tolkien wrote in the texts of The Nature of Middle-earth:
"The minute enjoyment and appreciation of events and thoughts in the time-series does not, as might be supposed, make Time seem longer, as might a road or path that was minutely inspected. For that inspection could only be carried out by slowing the rate of normal travel. But the rate of normal progress through Time cannot be slowed; but the speed of thought and action can be quickened so as to achieve more in a given space of time.[17]
Thus the Quendi did not and do not “live slowly”, moving ponderously like tortoises, while Time flickers past them and their sluggish thoughts! Indeed, they move and think swifter than Men, and achieve more than a Man in any given length of time.[fn7] But they have a far greater native vitality and energy to draw upon, so that it takes and will take a very great length of time to expend it."
The effect of the power of the Ring on Lothlorien is something that is in essence attempt at preservation and it;s actually hilarious because this is an effect of the ring that in the show is yet to be forged hehe. These powers of the rings that allow to affect the natural forces of the world were their attempt at making timeless islands of beauty out of their lands, the Elves felt weary of the rapid changes of the mortal lands and so tried to use the powers of the rings to make them into these blissful oasis kind of like the Undying Lands would be.
"The chief power (of all the rings alike) was the prevention or slowing of decay (i.e. 'change' viewed as a regrettable thing), the preservation of what is desired or loved, or its semblance - this is more or less an Elvish motive."
That was an effect in Lorien cast by Galadriel to shield her people from the exhaustion of living away from Valinor, it isn't a characteristic of Elves themselves.
"This film expresses the erroneous worldview towards the meta-wrongness often attributed to disestablishmentarism as applied to figments of expressions of idealistic piques of rage contained in imperialist fobbings."
-Movie Bob's Sweaty Crevice
Did... did he actually say this? I genuinely can't tell if this is a joke
@@cyrus2395 I think he said something very similar, but it made as little sense as this.
ahm.. it's a series and not a film MovieBob.
@@Kernwadi Oh goodness gracious, that was a marvellous cinemaroberto impression
@@sparkypack I wonder how Cinema Roberto will rate this show, I actually can't wait to see his review... And see it have no views again.
How shit was Galadriel that she searched high and low for decades upon decades in search of the last remaining baddies and literally the day after the elves claim there are no more, a village gets burned to a crisp.
Centuries you mean
@relrond6111 omg you're right and it makes it worse. But maybe time is so poorly shown that it wasn't the day after?? Idk
The thing that's annoyed me the most about defending this trash show isn't even the people who mindlessly clap for it, it's the ones who screech, "Wait till it's over to judge!!" Because that makes sense.
Sure, the first two acts of the movie or the first several episodes of a show were dogshit, but we really should see if they pull a 180 towards the finish line, that'll turn it from mediocre or bad to downright the bestest evar!! It's the same cope GoT fans spouted when season 8 was collapsing in on itself.
The whole point is to get you interested or entertained at the start and build up from there. Sure, something in the story might be recontextualized to give a different perspective, but that doesn't turn bad to good. Or if a movie or show does indeed manage to improve as time goes on (not uncommon for an episodic series) it doesn't change that the start had problems. Plenty of series out there were someone can say, "It had a lot of good in it, but it's also hampered by all this bad." It doesn't make the whole good, just that someone can see good parts in it.
I agree. You don't need to wait like five years just to tell if a show is good or not
There are some shows where this works. I think Better Call Soul did not have a clear antagonist until very late, but Rings of Rings does not have the writing to make up for that.
Don't Ask Questions, Just Consoom Product and Get Excited for Next Product.
There are some shows you can tell are shit before they even come out.
1:18:30 Nah it's not that she made it up, or that everybody knows, it's that only she knows about the marks. It tries to show how competent she is while doing the exact opposite. Her death defying leaps now not only risked her own life, but the very mission itself. If she fell to her death by taking unnecessary risks, she would've taken that vital information to the grave with her and left everyone else there in the freezing cold with zero clue what to do next.
The best reading you could give the line is that the writers needed to convey this information to the audience yet are completely incompetent, so this was the only way they could do it: By having her state something that everyone else already knows for the audience's benefit.
1:19:25 Out of her a** , Rags... Out of her a** that's where...
1:22:45 You could send a single messager.
1:55:22 There needs to be a supercut of all recent media female protagonists proclaiming how much better they are summed up into a line of theirs: She-Hulk, Wanda , Galadriel, Batwoman among many, many, more lol. It really does not come across even in the slightest about empowerment, but about dunking on people the creator doesn't like...
Just wanted to say thanks for helping me stay alert while searching for artifacts in stalker anomaly at 5:00 a.m.
I like to run a podcast at low volume when walking across the zone, it's what I would do if I was there IRL 🥳
I sort of disagree with the perception of time bit. It's why when you're older it seems like each year just seems to zoom by, but when you're young summer seemed to go on forever. It doesn't make him not a bad friend, but I think it's vaguely understandable if you're thousands of years old, the "i'll just finish this thing up and pop over once I'm done, oh wait where did those decades go?" might make sense if you simply are used to taking things at a much slower pace than other species.
Given how easy it was to get there apparently makes it much harder to swallow honestly.
Not defending this show in the slightest,but its worth remembering that after Gandalf tells Frodo to "keep it secret,keep it safe",he pisses off for 17 years to research the ring (in the books at least).
Maybe they were going off that kind of logic,who knows? The minds of Hollywood "creators" have been addled with pipe weed....
Not to mention when the Noldor leave Valinor for Middle Earth, they take 30+ (think it's 37 to be exact) years to leave. That was considered "quickly".
I think even with the years zooming by at some point you'd still think "Wait it's winter already and I wanted to visit that guy. Hey it's winter again! And again! And Again! Wasn't there something I meant to do?" Then again I generally can't really imagine sentient beings living for hundreds of years without becoming completely detached from everything that isn't eternal, achieving zen and chilling out, ending up utterly jaded or eventually losing their mind from some trauma or a million mental papercuts.
@@berndberndsen5680 you would think, like you said though we aren't going to be in our bodies for 10,000 plus years. From the scene, I got the impression Elrond knew it had been awhile but wasn't expecting 20 years. Kind of like how a few days or weeks may pass for us and we are surprised by it. Not saying there doesn't need to be some more context, but I can believe it.
And 20 years isn't even 10% of a dwarven livespan
the stone and the boat analogy is just another variant of the classic drama: "what direction is UP?" (as seen in RotS)
'up' is the opposite direction of the direction that gravity pulls.
@@kinagrill gravity is such a difficult concept to grasp when you struggle even with directions....
I don’t personally agree with the sentiment about not watching the show, but I think another aspect of that side of the argument that went undiscussed was how abstaining from watching it / consuming it at all is related to the idea we have heard you guys say before about not consuming video games with bad or predatory aspects to them. At least I know I’ve heard the line from you guys about “Why do things like this keep getting made. Well because we’re all just too dumb to stop buying them”.
Their logic to the show is trying to be along the lines of the one against those kinds of video games. Don’t consume them, don’t cover them (any publicity is good publicity as some say, but also something I don’t even agree with it), and that’s how you get them to stop.
The things being weighed are not “Amazon doesn’t want our negative coverage so it’s fine we watched it and negatively reviewed it”, it’s the exposure at all being provided by the coverage when the alternative was radio silence and encouraging others to not watch it, as in stop “buying” their garbage products to tie it back to the video game example. Which isn’t 1 to 1 but how I think some people see it, which maybe has a point when you consider they are relying on people watching it and spreading it around and talking about it. And again, this isn’t my perspective, just offering a steel man of their position I think went unchecked.
that makes sense. I happen to disagree with the premise of "any publicity is good publicity", so I'm not compelled.
I suppose a more accurate wording for it would be "infamy is preferable to obscurity" which might be true. However, infamy is never equivalent to fame.
Not that I'm defending Elrond not checking in on his "friend" for 20 years, but he didn't seem to know that Durin even got married. So... why is Durin mad? I'm assuming he sent an invitation... right? If Elrond actually got a letter and just ignored it, it makes him look even worse for coming after that. However, if Durin didn't actually send an invitation, I think he can't be _that_ angry at Elrond for missing his wedding, right? I mean, he still should have checked in every few years lol
I felt something was missing there. Durin should know how old Elrond is and that he might space out for a while. And 20 years for a dwarf is like 5 for a normal person. Not that weird to have missed something if you live in another country and can't just pick up the phone. Would take weeks to make the trip. If it had been a hundred years I would have believed it more even if Durin had not sent letters. But if it was 20 years and no invitations then it is just childish.
I feel that the writers of the show can't conceptualise the time spans we are dealing with here. Galadriel isn't 30 years old, she is thousands of years old. Having various events that happened over 3000 years happen at the same time make it all look way too coincidental. If they have been hunting Sauron together for centuries no one would after that long leave right after finally finding some proof. The walk down the stairs in Lindon and you are in Moria in 5 min is another example of that. Or Galadriel swimming for days and finding a random raft. Do they have any freaking idea how large a fucking ocean is and how slow people swim??? Probably a few more I missed and there will be way more
Dwarves don't even come of age until 40... So yeah, I bet the writers didn't even check on the lifespans of their races before writing that bullshit.
I have to give Elrond a pass on this _not showing up for twenty years._ From what I've gleamed, the writers failed to include any 'Ignored Sent Invitation' context, and the passing of 20 years to an immortal, is like a month to you and me. Resulting in Durin acting like a friend that's loosing their sh*t because _I_ hadn't popped by in over a month, or a mother complaining that _you haven't called me in over a week!_
So Durin comes across like a whiny be-yotch. Betraying the (lesser) life experience of who wrote this script.
By this point, I expect the wander-lust and desire for adventure has already been satiated in Elrond for a very long time, so now centuries pass without much to make of them. Being nearly fifty myself, I have had nearly a decade pass without much of note occurring in that time, looking back; It just passes by and you loose track. Our efap'ers, and many viewers/commenters show their young ages by making a big deal over twenty years, which is the better part of their lives, so far. It's understandable, but is still limited in purview, if I can use the $2 word.
Then there's the likelihood of; Is this the first time Elrond has misplaced a couple decades concerning Durin? Not likely, he should be used to this by now. Such is the dynamic when dealing with someone who doesn't age, an immortal.
In the end, this drama reads like a lovers quarrel, and not an earned grudge between grown men. Ergo; the writers personal limitations once more.
An hour into the stream and onto chapter 86, which lasts for the next 5 and a half hours. I love TH-cam.
Cave Troll Fight with the Fellowship Gang >>>>>>>>>>>> Snow Troll Fight with Guyladriel
That really irked me. They completely nerfed the elves in order to make Galadriel seem OP.
they both suck
"This place is so evil; my soda has gone flat! It's so evil; my phone's battery just died! It's so evil; my wool underwear stopped itching!"
As Dev was in chat, I'm also checking out his coverage to get more context and visuals of the show.
2:25:39 “I guess we’re gonna find out what’s going on with [the Sauron Sword] as time goes on.” Oh Mauler, you have NO idea.
I’m amazed a company that started as a book seller didn’t realize that for fans some book lore is non negotiable.
They purchased the rights to said lore only to make their own… I guess time and plot not important only character names important lol😅 btw I wonder if Bezos son liked it… he was said to be a super fan of the lore and told his dad not to F this up 🎉
All right, I'm playing detective today. At around 6:13, the crew offhandedly mentions future plans, including a "Halloween Arc" and that there are 7 movies upcoming, one of them being a bonus. I'm sure I missed what these actually were in some other stream, but that won't stop me, because I'm going to deduce it just from clues in this EFAP! Or screw up and get it wrong, one of the two.
1. I think it's pretty safe to assume that all or most of the movies will be in the horror genre, since the word "spooky" is specifically used in reference to this upcoming arc. Also it's Halloween, duh.
2. I'm about 60-80% sure the "bonus" is Army of the Dead, since that one's been teased in the Snyder Cut EFAP reaction. I feel confident enough to use it as a lemma in my broader analysis, at any rate. (Professor, I used "lemma" in a sentence, is that worth extra credit...)
3. The remaining 6 movies would most likely have a clear connection to be considered an "arc," so a shared actor, director, theme, subgenre, or most likely, a full-on franchise (this latter possibility being consistent with past arcs, aka DCEU and Resident Evil).
4. If a franchise is included in the arc, I would assume all 6 non-bonus movies would be part of it, under the logic that movies that aren't in said franchise but had some more tenuous connection would fall under the "bonus movies" purview (a la Malignant and Van Helsing releasing during the Resident Evil Arc.) We only have one bonus movie to work with.
5. Going off past EFAP coverage, they tend to cover mostly Western mainstream films, all but ruling out any Asian/Bollywood/other non-Anglophone franchises. The only real exception seems to be things like Train to Busan and Squid Game, which are exceptional and/or highly popular outside of their native lands; I can't imagine current EFAP has much interest in watching, say, the original Ju-On movies. Similarly, we can most likely eliminate Western franchises that lack presence in broader film culture (for instance, I do not see them covering something like Xtro and its sequels).There weren't many candidates here to begin with, but my point remains.
6.EFAP has yet to give a direct-to-video/made-for-TV movie full coverage, so I have my doubts as to whether this arc would be the one to break the mold, though I confess that it's likely to happen sooner or later (Star Wars Holiday Special when?) So I give slightly more weight to theatrically released films.
7. Finally, EFAP favors movies that are "below average" (to put it charitably). Of 35 episodes, while it gets fuzzy at times, I would say only 5 movies would be called good with no caveats about subjective enjoyment or plot/character problems getting in the way (the LOTR trilogy and the animated Mulan and 101 Dalmatians) with Extraction, Hardcore Henry, and Home Alone as borderline cases. In other words, EFAP seems to be more likely to watch something they expect to be bad than something they expect to be good, and even two of the "good" movies were a package deal that came with some absolute stinkers. So I expect any franchise they tackle to not be just flat out consistently good with few if any stinkers (like, say, Mission Impossible). Also, they tend to pick movies that are either currently relevant or have some level of success in the overall cultural landscape. I expect this is motivated to some degree by more pragmatic concerns about giving viewers what they are interested in. I doubt they're eagerly awaiting the day when they get to cover the Lolita film adaptation, for example*.
*Some clarification here. Judging by initial comments, the crew were expecting something more mediocre from the DCEU before Wonder Woman and Man of Steel made them reevaluate, so they might not be quite as beholden to being a "bad movies" channel as I imply. And to be perfectly fair, what's put the lot of them on the map is thorough takedowns of the worst media has to offer, so it's hard to blame them for doing what they do best. I'm certainly not complaining when I get hours worth of funny reactions to bizarre plot points or character decisions. In fact, I quite like them, as you can probably tell from this college thesis on what the next one is likely to be. Did I have a point with this? Uh...
Reviewing all the evidence, I sifted through Western horror franchises with 6 movies and came up with two candidates that seem the most likely, namely Jurassic Park and the Romero Living Dead series. Of the two, I think Jurassic Park is much more likely, as they have done previous Jurassic Park coverage (EFAP 14 and an Unbridled Rage for Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom attest to that) and I know MauLer has said he was asked to cover the latest installment on Twitter, so maybe this is his way of doing so? Further, the Romero movies are more dour than Jurassic Park and would likely dampen the usual jovial mood of EFAP (though they survived Snyder movies, so who knows), and Jurassic Park is flat out more popular than them and would be more exciting. In addition, I suspect that EFAP would have plenty to criticize with the 5 sequels if not some hidden flaws in the first one itself, while the Romero movies, if I recall correctly, would be slim pickings for the first 2-3. So there it is, my painstakingly thought-out deductions that have led me to decide that Jurassic Park is the next planned EFAP movies arc.
Now watch me be wrong because the next arc is Ice Age, the bonus movie is the Care Bears movie, and actually I have an acute case of the Mandela effect and what EFAP really announced was a Yom Kippur arc where they do every movie released on a Jewish holiday. :(
Edit: Forgot about this comment! Obviously I was completely wrong on all fronts, since the arc was Final Destination+Karen. Oh well. Perhaps I can get another shot come next EFAP movies arc.
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This is the perfect reasoning why we need film critics. When TFA first came out I hated it and felt like something was seriously wrong about that film. After watching a plethora of you tubers tell me it was a masterpiece, I changed my mind on the film and thought it was great because I thought I watched it incorrectly.
Who the fuck out here claiming that the force awakens is a masterpiece? They need their head checked.
@@madookamagooka743 I dont know about masterpiece but it was pretty general that most liked TFA, even if they admitted it was stolen from the original movie. It was only later after it left theatres that the tide began to turn due to online critiques.
the reason i would agree with the notion of just boycotting it outright to not even give them a single extra number is because the people at the top of the company do not actually care if you think its good or if its even good in the first place, skewing the numbers to appease stockholders really is their only goal after all. And there will always be people who buy into the ideology or have low enough standards to accept whatever garbage you put in front of them.
the only way to keep it out is to outright refuse to ever engage with this trashfire ever again. and gatekeep the hell out of those that approve of it.
on another note, but what if its good? doesn't really matter to me. even if by some absolute miracle they somehow cobble together a watchable product, the clear intent that they displayed during production would have me rather take it out of their hands entirely when it comes to production rights. the intent and process is also important , not just the result.
The people at the top do care about reviews though. This has been proven due to the fact that they removed reviews for the show on their service because of the amount of negativity
@@diazinamon2431 they don't care otherwise they wouldn't have removed them, they just don't want them in often looked at official spaces where said stakeholders would be able to see them
Eh I wouldn't say they don't care about negative reviews. However shitty streaming numbers would be worse. Though I think the best way to create that would be start the show and finish an episode and then stop. A massive drop off seems like it would be a better indicator of how shitty people think it is.
Of course reviewers need to watch 100% of the content they're reviewing. Tbf to the boycotters' position, reviewers don't have to review it. EFAP isn't going to cover HOTD and didn't cover Hawkeye. Even Nerdrotic skipped Ms. Marvel despite reviewing every other Disney+ Marvel show. HOTD had an acceptable reception. So reviewers will naturally choose the more lucrative option. If it upsets the boycotters then they can skip the reviewers that cover it too. Just like rop, most people will watch anyway. I can't fault people for wanting to judge shows for themselves despite what reviewers they watch say either.
I am sorry but I cannot help but laugh every time I see it shortened to "Hot D"
@@MediumRareOpinions Makes me chuckle as well
3:43:36 Elrond is a half-elf who with his brother was given the choice between immortality as an Elf or mortality as a Man. His brother Elros chose to be counted as a Man. Of all the characters in the show, he should be the one most keenly aware of how life and time passes differently for elves and mortals.
"I'm saying they don't age."
Except apparently for Celebrimbor, who is played by a man twice the age of any other elf in this show. ٩(๏̯๏)۶
Yeah the torches not making heat pisses me off too. Fire keeps burning because the heat of what's burning enables the next combustion. It a chain reaction. So if fire doesn't make heat, fire goes out.
This means that if the fire keeps burning while but stays cold because 'evil magic' that also means that magic is like constantly monitoring the fire to make sure it has *exactly* the right amount of thermal energy to sustain combustion while stealing everything else.
Also your entire body works off of the same principle of combustion. You breathe in oxygen to run combustion reactions in your cells so you have the energy to do all your other necessary biochemical reactions / stay warm / criticize movies / etc. So if *that* combustion stops giving off heat, you're going to hit room temperature.
So this area is apparently soooo evil that it sucks up all the heat while simultaneously making sure you don't die and your torch doesn't go out. Which seems way more complicated and ironically less evil than if you just got to close to it and died. Since that would probably be more useful to Mr. Ominous Evil Man, cold torches is literally him showboating.
"You are Men of the Toxic Brood!"
"No matter what shitty writing comes through that show, you will STAND your ground!!!"
Thank you guys so much for doing this! I watched episode one and it made me so disgusted I could not stomach watching anymore, and i certainly didnt want to subscribe just to see how bad it was later in the season. Please keep doing stuff like this so the real fans can see what the content of the show is without having to give our money to companies that treat us like trash. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!
What annoys me the most about the WHOLE situation: it seems like they're just skipping the story of Beren, Finrod and Luthien) for a far inferior hapdash that is disinterested with the core message of Tolkien... Seriously why didn't they just make a series about Beren and Luvien?
I believe they don’t have the rights for the First Age era stories.
@@robbywilliamson4152 then why even reference Finrod 😵💫 (seriously though, they were gambling way to hard on IP ignorance).
Because even If they did have the rights to all the cool stuff from the First Age, they'd screw that up anyway
They changed the natrue of the history and characters just so they can tell their bad "oppressed female warrior can prove the dumb men wrong" cliche story.
@@robbywilliamson4152 Thank God
48:00 that pile of skulls is actually taken STRAIGHT from Tolkien’s Silmarillion btw
The best part is when Galadriel realizes she needs to embrace the dark, jump from the ship and swim across the sea, and says: "It's galadrin time".
Remember that all the raft scenes alone cost over 100 million.
If this show does not have the Don ride in and say "GuyLadReee-El Nough" I will be disappointed.
Thanks for putting out long videos helps me get through my 10 hour shifts thanks again.
People who want to boycot something....generally its assumed reviewers dont count as people who should be involved since obviously someone HAS to review it. Theyre watching it so we dont have to. so....yeah, clearly reviewers are going to watch it.
Exactly.. I don't think anyone wants TH-camrs whose job it is to cover things in this media niche, to not watch it. Silly.
Reviewers. Re-viewers. As in, viewing multiple times. For what purpose? For the assessment of a product's quality.
Telling a reviewer not to view something is the equivalent of a carpenter being told not to use wood and a mason not to use stone. It's kinda, sorta, maybe part of the job.
@@fatrick9001 I think the frustration comes from the fact that some people on twitter actually told the crew they didn't want them to watch it. Ofc when people repeat the line without understanding it, stuff like this happens.
But the point still stands that official views count as votes of support in the big picture, so you can always fly the black flag when you watch it for references.
@@fatrick9001 - Trust me I have heard many people tell reviewers if they don't like it not to watch it many many times.
Not only is the show just incredibly lorebreaking, to the point of feeling like it's not actually middle-earth, it's just called that and all of these completely unrelated characters and places just happen to have the same names but the show is poorly written and pretty generic fantasy in it's own right as well.
Me and my friend stopped after 1 and a half episodes and won't be going for more.
Whenever I hear _Rings of Power,_ I imagine some kind of 80s kids show with a He-Man style opening.
Anyone else get that impression?
HE-MAN! AND THE RINGS OF POWERRRRRR!
Yes.... yes it sounds exactly like that.
Noooo, my precious Power Ring, gone forever...
30:01 It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios!
I would say the "do or don't watch" approaches they talked about at the start needs both parts to succeed. The audience kinda needs to make a 2 pronged attack: the reviewers like EFAP that watch it and outline what is wrong with it to attack it's reputation, but also the wider audience to not watch it and make it fail financially. The fact is, for a movie to fail and for a business to get the message "this isn't working", it needs to hit their money. Otherwise they get the message "ok people are complaining, but continuing this will still benefit us because we're profiting", not to mention the inevitable shills propping it's reputation up from "bad" to "mixed opinions". But everyone ignoring it will also not work, reviewers do need to watch it and share the details so that their audience knows WHAT is wrong with it, and why they shouldn't spend their money/time on it, and they can make arguments without just saying "I don't know I haven't seen it."
So basically, the "watch it yourself and then decide" approach would only result in a mixed reputation and a monetary successful work (something kinda like the Barbie Movie recently), while the "don't watch it don't engage" approach results in an unsuccessful work but nobody can actually articulate what's wrong with it to the people that do like it or the people who made it (basically making it a "cult classic" or something). It needs both the reviewers to watch it and say their piece, and the wider audience to not actually watch it and make it measurably fail. It's how Disney is actually showing signs of collapse at the moment.
My favourite part is when Galadriel turned to the camera and said "Its Ringin' time" and then she Ringed all over them.
I think I’ve figured out the “yet you would leave them alive in me to take with me” conundrum. I think the meaning of the line was supposed to be “I am the greatest warrior in our army but you’re sending me away before I have finished my duties?” They found the most convoluted and confusing way to have her say “my job is not done, there is still evil afoot.”
One of the worst lore mistakes in the series is the fact that the western door of Moria was built because of the friendship of Celebrimbor. You don't even need to read the appendices carefully to get that right. It says it on the fucking door!
"The doors of Durin, Lord of Moria. Speak "friend" and enter. I, Narvi, made these doors, Celebrimbor of Hollin, the writing."
The doors were made so that the elves and dwarves could better cooperate and travel to eachothers' realm more easily. Before that the dwarves had to travel over the mountain through the Red Horn pass to get to Hollin and see the elves. The main doors as well as the city of Khazad-dûm was on the eastern side of the mountains, and most of the western side was mines and small passages only built after the friendship with the elves in the second age. So at any rate, most of Moria at any given time was carved into the eastern side of the mountains.
But if they had been careful they could not have had stupid comedy dwarves and "Haha Elrond forgot that dwarves lives are faster than that of elves." So I guess abandoning the books was okay, because we got so much comedy and nonsense elevators and a stupid stone-breaking contest.
I will say more the show messed up the basic logic course of 'cause and effect' chain of events. Because without the discovery of mithril by the Dwarves and the contacts with Elves.....there would be no Eregion...for that elven realm was established specifically BECAUSE the Noldor elves heard of mithril discovery in Moria.......so we have situation here that Eregion exist just besides the dwarven realm but apparently no contact or even simple trade was established between these closest neighbors and the one commodity that was the cause of the new realm establishment this so called 'gold rush scenario' where a new resource if discovered and then new opportunities arise new centers of population are build etc. Trade of mithril was exactly that!
TheSecond Age
These were the dark years for Men of Middle-earth. but the years of the glory of Númenor. Of events in Middle-earth the records are few and brief, and their dates are often uncertain.
In the beginning of this age many of the High Elves still remained. Most of these dwelt in Lindon west of the Ered Luin; but before the building of the Barad-dûr many of the Sindar passed eastward. and some established realms in the forests far away. where their people were mostly Silvan Elves. Thranduil. king in the north of Greenwood the Great, was one of these. In Lindon north of the Lune dwelt Gil-galad, last heir of the kings of the Noldor in exile. He was acknowledged as High King of the Elves of the West. In Lindon south of the Lune
dwelt for a time Celeborn, kinsman of Thingol; his wife was Galadriel, greatest of Elven women. She was sister of Finrod Felagund, Friend-of-Men, once king of Nargothrond, who gave his life to save Beren son of Barahir.
Later some of the Noldor went to Eregion, upon the west of the Misty Mountains, and near to the West-gate of Moria. This they did because they learned that _mithril _ had been discovered in Moria. The Noldor were great craftsmen and less unfriendly to the Dwarves than the Sindar; but the friendship that grew up between the people of Durin and the Elven-smiths of Eregion was the closest that there has ever been between the two races. Celebrimbor was lord of Eregion and the greatest of their craftsmen; he was descended from Fëanor."
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Eregion founded by the Noldor."
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"A mile southwards along the shore they came upon holly trees. Stumps and dead boughs were rotting in the shallows, the remains it seemed of old thickets, or of a hedge that had once lined the road across the drowned valley. But close under the cliff there stood, still strong and living, two tall trees, larger than any trees of holly that Frodo had ever seen or imagined. Their great roots spread from the wall to the water.... [They] towered overhead, stiff, dark, and silent, throwing deep night-shadows about their feet, standing like sentinel pillars at the end of the road....
'Here the Elven-way from Hollin ended. Holly was the token of the people of that land, and they planted it here to mark the end of their domain; for the West-door was made chiefly for their use in their traffic with the Lords of Moria. Those were happier days, when there was still close friendship at times between folk of different race, even between Dwarves and Elves.'
The Fellowship of the Ring, LoTR Book 2, Ch 4, A Journey in the Dark
@@fantasywind3923 Yeah, exactly right, thank you! The city only existed because of the friendship of the dwarves and the elves and the discovery of mithril.
There are so many things on that show that are just SO stupid.
I hate how with the past like 5 updates to the app it's made watching live more and more frustrating with the amount of times it crashes or freezes up.
I miss being a part of the Toxic Brood😢😭
Those kids would probably be like 500 years old and still bullied Galadrrrrriel. They can't use the Grogu method of ageing which is more like cycles then years because these kids are already talking and have a FULL concept of right and wrong by now. They don't die so I thought Elves knew better to treat life with a common decency.
This whole affair of elf children bullies is so out of place.....the extended texts of Tolkien, so those outside the amazon licensing anyway, tell us how they elf-childre are really somewhat better behaved and not as unruly, not to mention they are somewhat more 'mature' due to the elf child minds developing faster.
"The Eldar grew in bodily form slower than Men, but in mind more swiftly. They learned to speak before they were one year old; and in the same time they learned to walk and to dance, for their wills came soon to the mastery of their bodies. Nonetheless there was less difference between the two Kindreds, Elves and Men, in early youth; and a man who watched elf-children at play might well have believed that they were the children of Men, of some fair and happy people. For in their early days elf-children delighted still in the world about them, and the fire of their spirit had not consumed them, and the burden of memory was still light upon them.
This same watcher might indeed have wondered at the small limbs and stature of these children, judging their age by their skill in words and grace in motion. For at the end of the third year mortal children began to outstrip the Elves, hastening on to a full stature while the Elves lingered in the first spring of childhood. Children of Men might reach their full height while Eldar of the same age were still in body like to mortals of no more than seven years. Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some a hundred years would pass before they were full-grown."
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"The Eldar wedded for the most part in their youth and soon after their fiftieth year. They had few children, but these were very dear to them. Their families, or houses, were held together by love and a deep feeling for kinship in mind and body; and the children needed little governing or teaching. There were seldom more than four children in any house, and the number grew less as ages passed; but even in days of old, while the Eldar were still few and eager to increase their kind, Fëanor was renowned as the father of seven sons, and the histories record none that surpassed him."
- Morgoth's Ring, Laws and Customs
In any case the most unbelievable is that elf children would be doing vandalism destroying a thing of beauty another elf done just for the heck of it! Elf bullies sounds also highly unlikely in the times of bliss of Valinor before Melkor release!
Reason #1: Ultimately I can't watch a show like this because they are always "setting up" for the next season. What is the plot even, where is all this going?! It's two full episodes in and I couldn't make a synopsis of the show if I tried. "There's evil somewhere doing something." I guess?
Reason #2: Galadriel is *insufferable* and everyone else is uninteresting, boring, or severely lacking in charm.
Reason #3: SO friggin tired of modern politics injected into fantasy shows.
The moment there is mentions of 'representing modern issues in fantasy', I am just NOT gonna watch it. Especially so when it's done with a setting created 100 years ago.
It'd be like making the Grimm's Brothers stories but dump it modern political issues and racial troubles into those stories cuz 'that is obviously what people wanna watch'.
@@kinagrill Yea it totally throws you out of the world! Felt like I was being lectured to by a neighbor.
Objectively speaking, I find it so strange that these people find it completely normal to date a fantasy show like that. In 20 years anyone will look back on it and say "oh that was made in the 2020 era"
@@dianebrooks1859 It's like having people say Radical, Totally Wicked, etc. It just dates a show or movie or whatnot REAL quick cuz that is slang, and slang goes out of date FAST. I Mean I am still learning there's slang used TODAY that I had no idea were a thing yet or what it meant.