@@Pinned2Five I expected something else at first too. But then I remembered that you only need ~6 Corsairs to one-shot a Scourge and Corsairs having splash damage and a great fire rate.
anyone play the air mass madness mod before would know cosair once get to a critical amount will demolish any amount of opponent air unit. Hence why it is usually banned or get N vs 1 gangbanged right at the start. Just too OP.
i think this is a good idea, have fight club with different games , allows you to do more fights and more games that allows it, i would watch any fight clubs that does this format well
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I am amazed at how the dragoons managed to move across the screen, I was expecting the dragoon square to remain completely stationary as their pathfinding had a heart attack lol. Really enjoyable video though - thanks! I got 4-2, was really surprised by the Scourge outcome. Hope to see more across different games too. This format for Age of Empires 2 would be amazing.
This was awesome. I really like seeing how the behavior of units changes in large numbers. E.g. corsairs bunched up will kill scourge before they can strike, or a critical mass of mutalisks will overwhelm missile turrets, or a big enough group of siege tanks will annihilate dragoons -- until they lose their numbers, and then the dragoons pick them off.
@@bufansun7812 That's likely what happened, because in the later episodes of these kind of fights Stu gives them the ability to replace the scarabs they use because that's their only way to put up a fight (and also why fighting them at chokepoints is a pain in the ass when fighting the Protoss) once they run out of scarabs then they're just for lack of a better word a seal waiting to be whacked.
Defiler swarm no protege de ataques de tanque, firebots, cruceros de batalla , naves de ciencia con irradiar poder del batlecruser nuclear launch etc etc Zerg = genio
I think the zerg army could win that anyways if guardian would target goliaths, I dont know why half of that stupid guardians were attacking siege tanks while being just shoot by Goliaths, and whole goliaths focus fire on guardians while half of the guardians shooting tanks, pretty painfull to watch that brainless sc1 AI
@@Skorpion1991 The idea is that there IS no AI, it's just an a-move. On the flip side, terrans didn't siege the tanks, no irradiate, no stim packs, yamato cannons, nukes, defense matrix, etc.
Do continue with this series. Loving the idea of it, and the fact that you included Starcraft made it all so much better. Keep'em coming, no matter what RTS you are including in this series! :D
It's still fun. The last battle that human tanks were not in siege mode, If tanks were in siege, will Zerg army win the battle by tanks' "friend fire"??
If tanks were in siege mode, terran would've win the land fight with even bigger advantage, possibly saving the BCs so that they can eat into the guardians earlier.
I think a little rearranging of the Zerg units in the last battle, so the zerglings weren't facing the firebats and mutas weren't facing the Valkyries at the start of the fight, may have been enough to change which way it went.
The order made a huge difference. Zerglings vs marines and hydra vs firebat. Scourge and corruptors vs ghosts and battlecruisers. It would be like sending mutas vs seige tanks. Specific units are designed to counter specific units.
Don't forget, that each of those 1,000 missile turrets had a soldier sitting inside of them firing away against that wave of Muta's. *Press F to pay respects*
@@rush4you I always thought that too until the remaster came out and then you can clearly see the soldier sitting between the missile pods, mind-blown!
Awesome video Stu! Starcraft is a great idea for the Fight Club series! I enjoyed both RTS's very much over the years. Keep up the great work bro. Your Channel is highly entertaining! 💪
Nice! If you want a good game from that era to do Fight Club for, I highly recommend Dark Reign. It's got some sweet units, the graphics hold up decently, and the unit variety gives lots of interesting combinations. The game's scenario editor would let you do all of these events without a problem.
I guessed everything right execpt the Mutas vs turrets. Didn't think that the mutas efficiency would go down as much as it did as their numbers dwindled whereas the turrets never did because they work as a single target not aoe. Helped me guess that the same would happen with the dragoons vs the siegetanks.
Much easier to predict these than CnC fight clubs, since the AI is generally a lot more consistent in how it acts, making it possible to see the lineup and mostly know beforehand how it will go. Like the terran army vs zerg army, terran just wins that because of all the splash and ranged units (tho it was closer than I thought!). The only one I was a bit unsure of was reavers vs hydras, because it wasnt clear if the reavers would rebuild the scarabs or not (I guess they didnt) so I predicted wrong there. Mutalisk vs turrets was another one I was surprised about about how close it was, thought the turrets would clean them up a lot faster!
Not sure how many people have heard about supreme commander but a fight club on it would be nice. I don’t think the map editor is somewhat simple to use tho. Looking forward to more CNC fight club. Maybe one can use gunboat or destroyer vs land units. Maybe shock trooper vs tanks. Maybe a 2v2 or 3v3 style of unit building matchups? Also would love to see base building fight club back. I want to see how soviet would handle with their tank production when Tesla coil can’t be built.
I remember when I first started playing on bnet and in my 2nd ever game I saw my opponent started massing lings. So I started massing Firebats before he sent them. We both had a good laugh over that.
1:37 "Mmm those were delicious, got any more?" :p Always thought this game was cool but never had it when I was a kid (yes, my childhood was THAT deprived!)
Hey, Stu can you tell me how you get the ai vs ai editor or something, I've searched all over the internet and i havent found anything until I found you, can you help me out?
That's what goliaths do. Once they're in range, they're effective against damn near everything. Goliaths don't have many hard counters the way that say, firebats counter lings. Goliaths are held back solely by their ABYSMAL pathing, which is on full display here, too (half of them didn't even participate in the fight until the very end despite decent range, because figuring out how to go anywhere was beyond them). But once they get to the fight, they'll clean up.
HOLY SHIT I do this too. Only I build a map where I have control of every race and set build times to .00001 lol. Then I convert them to computer control and have armies mass against each other. I even set triggers so I can spawn batches of hero units. Definetly want to see more of this. The only one I predicted wrong was the firebat vs zergling >
I’m assuming the remastered version allows more particles at once? Iirc the game would stop loading half the ranged attacks when you had large armies colliding, it was particularly noticeable with a large amount of valkaries firing at once you could see half the army nofire.
1) Corsiairs dont attack. They just create a death region. 2) 1000 Dragoon vs 100 tanks, with only 19 dragoon left. Dragoon won the battle but only shows how weak when facing siege tanks. 3) If the devour come to battle sightly before the mutalisk, things would be dramatically different.
Yeah, note the Corsairs started winning as soon as they were clumped up enough, due to splash damage. Even in normal games, at +1 Corsairs start WRECKING Scourge once you have at least 5. Once you hit 7-8 you're almost invincible no matter how many come unless they come from all sides at once.
Zerg needs more micro :P haha, but those Guardians have a lot of potentials, only the massive goliaths with blue missiles can win. I remember the rushes with the combination of Guardians, devourers and hydras.
113K views man that's some big number! Interesting vid, related to day9 talking about the PvT match-up: The Terran is the slow, static, powerful army. Fighting him from multiple angles is the only solution to break a Vulture/ Tank / Goliath Push. Unless the P tech to Carriers and become the static, powerful army. Same for TvZ actually, Defiler changes the dynamic yet again.
The first one, zerglings vs fire at I was certain the Zerg would win. Fire at splash damage is a notorious team killer in my experience. An interesting turnaround.
I mean, i understand new game with fight club since you have done alot of fights in RA, but SC and SC2 units are so reliant on their abilities that each fight was quite easy to predict, the only one i thought it would go one way theoreticly but i knew it would not was the reavers vs hydralisk, IF the scarabs would be programmed so that they are "smart", that if another scarab kills a unit it would seek a new target instead, they would win handsdown, but yeah, it is what it is, maybe you can somehow find some way to make it interesting, i hope so, i really love your fight club series! It is just that sc and sc2 can't really work too well without using abilities :/
I was thinking about a Starcraft fight club earlier today while watching some of your other fight club videos. I guess I'll have to step up to the plate and do the Netstorm fight club if nobody else will.
@@brandonparks7760 Yeah, it's a weird old RTS game where you have almost no units and you rely (mostly) on placing down towers with fixed firing lines to destroy the enemy's bases. It's a really unique and fun concept for a strategy game. It's also free and you can just download and install it onto your PC from Netstorm HQ, there's even a small but dedicated playerbase still playing and maintaining it 20 years later.
@@brandonparks7760 No problem. I'd also recommend Magic and Mayhem, if you ever need another title. It's not quite a traditional RTS, but it's just such a fun and underappreciated game that I wish got more attention.
Those Corsairs vs Scourge 😳😳😳
That is FAR from what I expected.
@@Pinned2Five l know! I would of put my money the other way
The carnage,the terror 😨😨😨😰😱. I felt sorry for the zerg, lol.
@@Pinned2Five I expected something else at first too.
But then I remembered that you only need ~6 Corsairs to one-shot a Scourge and Corsairs having splash damage and a great fire rate.
anyone play the air mass madness mod before would know cosair once get to a critical amount will demolish any amount of opponent air unit. Hence why it is usually banned or get N vs 1 gangbanged right at the start. Just too OP.
The arrangement of both the armies and the terrain play a huge role in who wins these and by how much. A full surround can be devastating.
The ultra didn't path for crap there and let the mutas die fast to marine/ghosts
7:32 those Zerglings are W A V Y.
jumpy bois
No worries, more C&C videos are coming! I was running a little low on ideas for the Fight Club series, so I tried making one for a different game!
I'm a massive cnc fan and have never heard of Starcraft before so guessing who's going to win each fight is quite hard lol
Never having played it, that was great!
C&C > SC
We all know... u will come back bigger and better... if not... who cares. U bring some seriuos Cnc content in the past..
What's important to note is a that a zerg army with no defilers is no zerg army. :)
i think this is a good idea, have fight club with different games , allows you to do more fights and more games that allows it, i would watch any fight clubs that does this format well
Good idea
CnC Generals PLEASE
Weird, I just get back into playing Starcraft for the first time in 10 years and this gets recommended to me. It's almost like Google's watching me...
Same here! I played a few games with a friend and Google some Staredit questions and... well, here we are.
You ARE.
Its more than being watched, you are being stalked... the camera, the microphone are also working in conjunction
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5:45
Tanks commanders shoot at disabled Protoss war vets
XD
Those disabled Protoss veterans are NOT what you think they are... You'll never believe what they shoot out of their holes!! WATCH THIS EXPOSE BEFORE THE CONCLAVE BANS IT.
Today, kids, we learn about splash damage.
@Paul Paulson k
This along with C&C was one of my OG RTS experiences. Love seeing the Fight Club formula visit the Koprulu Sector xD
I am amazed at how the dragoons managed to move across the screen, I was expecting the dragoon square to remain completely stationary as their pathfinding had a heart attack lol. Really enjoyable video though - thanks! I got 4-2, was really surprised by the Scourge outcome. Hope to see more across different games too. This format for Age of Empires 2 would be amazing.
This was awesome. I really like seeing how the behavior of units changes in large numbers. E.g. corsairs bunched up will kill scourge before they can strike, or a critical mass of mutalisks will overwhelm missile turrets, or a big enough group of siege tanks will annihilate dragoons -- until they lose their numbers, and then the dragoons pick them off.
Did you even watch the vid mutalisks died from to many missle turrets
The muta vs turrets was a very good one on losing numbers, then losing the fight. And the result was very close, it's well executed.
The reaver vs hydralisk as well. Once the reavers lost the critical mass, it was over
@@rohdri actually I suspected there won't be enough ammo for reavers.
@@bufansun7812 That's likely what happened, because in the later episodes of these kind of fights Stu gives them the ability to replace the scarabs they use because that's their only way to put up a fight (and also why fighting them at chokepoints is a pain in the ass when fighting the Protoss) once they run out of scarabs then they're just for lack of a better word a seal waiting to be whacked.
This is a fantastic idea. Would love to see more of these.
I agree.
Just one solitary Soviet flamethrower in the midst of those Firebats and the Zerglings would have prevailed.
That Zerg army at the end was me when I didn't understand what the Defiler Dark Swarm was for.
Defiler swarm no protege de ataques de tanque, firebots, cruceros de batalla , naves de ciencia con irradiar poder del batlecruser nuclear launch etc etc
Zerg = genio
@@HELQATAP no hablo espanol
I think the zerg army could win that anyways if guardian would target goliaths, I dont know why half of that stupid guardians were attacking siege tanks while being just shoot by Goliaths, and whole goliaths focus fire on guardians while half of the guardians shooting tanks, pretty painfull to watch that brainless sc1 AI
Plague.
@@Skorpion1991 The idea is that there IS no AI, it's just an a-move. On the flip side, terrans didn't siege the tanks, no irradiate, no stim packs, yamato cannons, nukes, defense matrix, etc.
if this was RA, that first fight would've ended sooooooo quickly
The Zerglings could've just stood back and watched!
What is RA?
@@ecneicsPhD4554 red alert 🙂
@@s-man5647 Thanks.
Do continue with this series. Loving the idea of it, and the fact that you included Starcraft made it all so much better. Keep'em coming, no matter what RTS you are including in this series! :D
It's still fun.
The last battle that human tanks were not in siege mode,
If tanks were in siege, will Zerg army win the battle by tanks' "friend fire"??
they arent human they are terran
If tanks were in siege mode, terran would've win the land fight with even bigger advantage, possibly saving the BCs so that they can eat into the guardians earlier.
I think a little rearranging of the Zerg units in the last battle, so the zerglings weren't facing the firebats and mutas weren't facing the Valkyries at the start of the fight, may have been enough to change which way it went.
The order made a huge difference. Zerglings vs marines and hydra vs firebat. Scourge and corruptors vs ghosts and battlecruisers.
It would be like sending mutas vs seige tanks. Specific units are designed to counter specific units.
1:25 oh dear lord that was beautiful
1:23 YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!
Don't forget, that each of those 1,000 missile turrets had a soldier sitting inside of them firing away against that wave of Muta's.
*Press F to pay respects*
F
I always thought they were automated
@@rush4you after an upgrade in SC2 they are automated.
@@rush4you I always thought that too until the remaster came out and then you can clearly see the soldier sitting between the missile pods, mind-blown!
@@skyvipers I was always able to make out a person being in there due to the command console, where you can see unit health
I never thought watching Mutalisks mowing down Turrets would be so satisfying
The Zerg army just needs a couple wiggly bois to beat the Terrans
Fab, love me some original StarCraft. Another blast from my childhood
0:58 The unit counter can't catch up :D
this is coded this way into the game :)
That Corsair vs. Scourge battle was the equivalent of flies bum rushing into a bug zapper.
Terran army beats zerg army: so thats what Mengsk meant by "no matter the cost"
Love the clever usage of voice files.
Watching these vids reminds me of all those tower defense customs… back in the day
Awesome video Stu! Starcraft is a great idea for the Fight Club series! I enjoyed both RTS's very much over the years. Keep up the great work bro. Your Channel is highly entertaining! 💪
As someone who plays zerg for 20 years I must say: Those Chokes give me nightmares.
(And I was little bit surprised by mutas loosing to turrets tbh)
Mutas health was getting lower all the time and start to die in waves. That was good fight, tempting to make a math model to show the effects
Where is Protoss vs Terran or Zerg army ?? I hope of part 2 with spell usage ;)
Woah, Fight Club comes to StarCraft? It's like a perfect marriage! Thanks for this, the game is an all time favorite of mine since I was a little kid.
Nice! If you want a good game from that era to do Fight Club for, I highly recommend Dark Reign. It's got some sweet units, the graphics hold up decently, and the unit variety gives lots of interesting combinations. The game's scenario editor would let you do all of these events without a problem.
the corsair is SUPER satisfying because of the wall of dead corpses
Pretty sure that could have been a million scourge and Corsairs still would have won.
absolutely loved this, some of the rounds were more intense then I thought they would be! Great job!
Dude, Guardians are so fucking OP. Almost won that last fight for the Zerg on their own. Fun video.
turret versus mutalisk was absolutely unpredictable lol I changed my prediction three times for watching this
I guessed everything right execpt the Mutas vs turrets. Didn't think that the mutas efficiency would go down as much as it did as their numbers dwindled whereas the turrets never did because they work as a single target not aoe. Helped me guess that the same would happen with the dragoons vs the siegetanks.
Zerglings? BROTHER, GET THE FLAMER. THE HEAVY FLAMER.
I love it when the zerglings do a wave
Maybe I don't know how to read Starcraft 1 as well, but it feels like it's harder to tell where the battle is swinging until the very end.
Nice I'm also a big starcraft fan. Love you are also doing this game now. Keep more videos like this coming!
love this just units doing battle nothing at stake just knowledge to gain
and the first and more important rule that we do not talk about the SC Fight Club !!
Super cool that you're branching off into Starcraft stuff as well now~
love it! you've branched into StarCraft! yay!
Much easier to predict these than CnC fight clubs, since the AI is generally a lot more consistent in how it acts, making it possible to see the lineup and mostly know beforehand how it will go. Like the terran army vs zerg army, terran just wins that because of all the splash and ranged units (tho it was closer than I thought!). The only one I was a bit unsure of was reavers vs hydras, because it wasnt clear if the reavers would rebuild the scarabs or not (I guess they didnt) so I predicted wrong there. Mutalisk vs turrets was another one I was surprised about about how close it was, thought the turrets would clean them up a lot faster!
that scourge vs corsair battle was amazing, an unexpected result at least for me
Great video!
I was shocked that corsairs are that strong air unit!
And that siege tanks wasted so many dragoons!
The video I never thought I needed but loved every second of
Not sure how many people have heard about supreme commander but a fight club on it would be nice. I don’t think the map editor is somewhat simple to use tho.
Looking forward to more CNC fight club. Maybe one can use gunboat or destroyer vs land units. Maybe shock trooper vs tanks. Maybe a 2v2 or 3v3 style of unit building matchups? Also would love to see base building fight club back. I want to see how soviet would handle with their tank production when Tesla coil can’t be built.
I thought the Scourge would make it through on the sides against the Corsairs. Aside from that battle, I guessed right on all of them.
those dragoons look scary when they all move together
Somehow you always make match ups that are hard to guess and end up really close. I can tell you put a lot of thought into these
I LIKED DAT ONE! To be honest, the final one looked far more epic then C&C ones. Apart from terrible pathfinding SC has, it's far more epic :)
The last massive army battle was ju~st too satisfying.
Thought the zerg had it at the end, but then I saw the last line of the Terran army was goliaths lol
Brain: ok its 3 am, time to sleep.
Also Brain: ok but how would a bunch of mutas fare against a bunch of missile turrets? I must know the answer!
I've flowed a man tears when Goliath managed to survive at the end.
We have crossed over from Command and Conquer to StarCraft!? Ok, I approve
Didn't expect SC on this channel, but I like it :)
What an awesome video! thanks Stu.
Doing Fight Clubs for games like this will be a lot more difficult given the importance of unit abilities.
Missile turret commander: They had us in the first half. Not gonna lie.
I thought so too, because mutualism stacking gave them absurd dps, but it decreased over time while the turrets was constant
After a bunch of WC3 videos, TH-cam now recommends daily doses of SC videos to me.
I remember when I first started playing on bnet and in my 2nd ever game I saw my opponent started massing lings. So I started massing Firebats before he sent them. We both had a good laugh over that.
Very nice, more from StarCraft and other RTS pls
1:37 "Mmm those were delicious, got any more?" :p
Always thought this game was cool but never had it when I was a kid (yes, my childhood was THAT deprived!)
Siege tanks are da ridiculously best defense/nuker type unit of all in starcraft series
Range games with reavers
Looking Forward for more different RTS fight clubs in future.
Great game. Some fun battles here.
Hey, Stu can you tell me how you get the ai vs ai editor or something, I've searched all over the internet and i havent found anything until I found you, can you help me out?
You all need some good old fashioned discipline lol. That was so good. Lowko should watch this.
The siege tank vs dragoon one was just a reenactment of ww1
At the scarab-hydralisk hydralisks used Stalin tactics: more soldier than enemy ammo
I LOVE this game! Nostalgia
First fight is a big grill:P
Them Goliaths really saved the day for them terrans there.
That's what goliaths do. Once they're in range, they're effective against damn near everything. Goliaths don't have many hard counters the way that say, firebats counter lings.
Goliaths are held back solely by their ABYSMAL pathing, which is on full display here, too (half of them didn't even participate in the fight until the very end despite decent range, because figuring out how to go anywhere was beyond them). But once they get to the fight, they'll clean up.
Good idea expanding the series to include other RTS games.
predicted every battle. Looks like watching Starcraft Korean esports paid off :)
09:26 those goliaths rock!
HOLY SHIT I do this too. Only I build a map where I have control of every race and set build times to .00001 lol. Then I convert them to computer control and have armies mass against each other. I even set triggers so I can spawn batches of hero units. Definetly want to see more of this. The only one I predicted wrong was the firebat vs zergling >
I’m assuming the remastered version allows more particles at once?
Iirc the game would stop loading half the ranged attacks when you had large armies colliding, it was particularly noticeable with a large amount of valkaries firing at once you could see half the army nofire.
I think the valkyrie bug and the dragoon not moving bug were fixed with Remastered!
1) Corsiairs dont attack. They just create a death region.
2) 1000 Dragoon vs 100 tanks, with only 19 dragoon left. Dragoon won the battle but only shows how weak when facing siege tanks.
3) If the devour come to battle sightly before the mutalisk, things would be dramatically different.
I thought them scourges would DESTROY the corsairs... boy was I wrong... been to long since I played Starcraft
Yeah, note the Corsairs started winning as soon as they were clumped up enough, due to splash damage.
Even in normal games, at +1 Corsairs start WRECKING Scourge once you have at least 5. Once you hit 7-8 you're almost invincible no matter how many come unless they come from all sides at once.
Zerg needs more micro :P haha, but those Guardians have a lot of potentials, only the massive goliaths with blue missiles can win. I remember the rushes with the combination of Guardians, devourers and hydras.
113K views man that's some big number!
Interesting vid, related to day9 talking about the PvT match-up: The Terran is the slow, static, powerful army. Fighting him from multiple angles is the only solution to break a Vulture/ Tank / Goliath Push. Unless the P tech to Carriers and become the static, powerful army.
Same for TvZ actually, Defiler changes the dynamic yet again.
Im still wait for RA Everything is Free Ep. 4.
That Dragoon formation though lmao
The first one, zerglings vs fire at I was certain the Zerg would win. Fire at splash damage is a notorious team killer in my experience. An interesting turnaround.
Damn nice job coordinating units the results are so close!
That was absolutely amazing! Hat-Tip to your magnificence, fine sir! Please more!
I mean, i understand new game with fight club since you have done alot of fights in RA, but SC and SC2 units are so reliant on their abilities that each fight was quite easy to predict, the only one i thought it would go one way theoreticly but i knew it would not was the reavers vs hydralisk, IF the scarabs would be programmed so that they are "smart", that if another scarab kills a unit it would seek a new target instead, they would win handsdown, but yeah, it is what it is, maybe you can somehow find some way to make it interesting, i hope so, i really love your fight club series!
It is just that sc and sc2 can't really work too well without using abilities :/
I was thinking about a Starcraft fight club earlier today while watching some of your other fight club videos. I guess I'll have to step up to the plate and do the Netstorm fight club if nobody else will.
What's netstorm? Is it an og rts?
@@brandonparks7760 Yeah, it's a weird old RTS game where you have almost no units and you rely (mostly) on placing down towers with fixed firing lines to destroy the enemy's bases. It's a really unique and fun concept for a strategy game.
It's also free and you can just download and install it onto your PC from Netstorm HQ, there's even a small but dedicated playerbase still playing and maintaining it 20 years later.
@@dragsib1 wow i will have to give it a look been trying to find new old rts games but it looked like I've played all of them lol thank for the info
@@brandonparks7760 No problem. I'd also recommend Magic and Mayhem, if you ever need another title. It's not quite a traditional RTS, but it's just such a fun and underappreciated game that I wish got more attention.
Very interesting. Very different from the C&C videos, but still very cool!
That Terran x Zerg battle, those siege tanks were going _> _> _>
As expected in the last battle, Guardians did WORK but the rest of the army died too fast. Would have been close with some PLAGUUUU action :)
Excellent vid, some surprises to be sure. Was betting big bucks on the siege tanks!