How Can Mary or Saints Hear Prayers If They Aren't Omniscient or Omnipresent?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Former protestant apologist Sam Shamoun defends the ancient Christian faith (the Catholic doctrine of the intercession of saints).
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As a lifelong Protestant, I'm legitimately trying to understand this stuff and even after watching this, I'm still not sold. For me, all Sam established is that there's some biblical basis for the saints knowing what's up on Earth. Okay, cool. I don't really have a problem with that part. But how do we go from that to directing prayer to them? Or focusing on Mary as some sort of extraordinary figure in Heaven? I just don't see any of that in the text and I'm really trying to wrap my head around how it isn't idolatrous. Anything else of actual importance is laid out quite clearly in the Scriptures, quite often in a lot of detail, but these specifically Catholic doctrines just aren't, as far as I can tell.
1000 times agree with you. My arguement exactly!!
It is idolatry. Revelations 5 was POORLY misused. This doesn't help his argument. Is there ONE Biblical example of ANYONE praying to Mary. We already know that she was not ever Virgin, as she had other children.
Look up the wordprophet this here is complete nonsense and won’t save anyone
Because there is a difference between prayer and worship. It is wrong to worship Mary or any of the angels, it is permitted to pray. Prayer is not worship. Mary is obviously closer to God, as are the angels and saints. These entities have different jobs and access to the Father. Take into account the fact that Jesus has difference from his Father “Father they do not know”. Jesus said here he has more mercy in some ways than the Father revealing us his purpose and connection to the Father and Holy Spirit. I say this to say that the angels are commanded to fill certain needs for his children. That we know in scripture. So by praying to saints, while worshipping the Father it becomes more effective under certain circumstances. Does that make sense?
@@berkelianatorlemme rephrase the question since I'm also not confident with following the ways of catholic.
Beings in Heaven, angels and people, know events that happen on earth according to scripture, cool, gotcha.
So WHERE in scripture has there ever been a figure who asked for intercession to the saints IN HEAVEN and the Holy Spirit, God or Jesus (either of one is fine) did He approve of it by granting the request?
Or better yet which verses imply that it is okay to ask for intercessions NOT ONLY from those on earth but those in the Heavenly realms?
That's our question, that's what we're trying to understand.
Luke 1:46-47
And Mary said, My soul does magnify the Lord,
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
Pray only to God, Jesus Christ the only mediator between you and God, the Only. Amen
1 Timothy 2
King James Version
2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Read the first part...the mediation is not prayer but salvation only one savior
@@christisking970 the scripture you gave, the catholic go to argument to defend idolatry has absolutely nothing to do with praying to the dead.
@@stravinskyfancatholism is false and you can’t invoke Mary. They are talking about another Mary and Jesus.
@@lisethsearle5457
Liseth,
A Catholic apologist here.
You're absolutely correct!
Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man.
So it's understood, I must also add that a Mediator is one who having the power, stands between two or more parties and whose function is to bring these parties into contact or nearer to each other resulting in unity or reconciliation. Such act can only be done by our Lord Jesus Christ before God The Father.
Regarding intercession.
In the Bible, an intercessor is someone who prays for help to another person; such is the case of the Virgin Mary and the saints who, being alive in God's glory, bring to our Lord Jesus their petitions for the benefit of those who ask for their intercession.
May God bless your discernment.
Acts 4:12
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (ESV)
What’s the difference between mediator and intercessor?
Have you ever asked your family and friends to pray for you if you did their mediating for you
@@tomgjokajI ask them to pray for me. I dont pray to them to pray for me and when I ask them, I dont say hail them
@@cakei1580 did you watch the video
Unfortunately you skipped the 1Tim2:1, therefore let petitions and intercessions be made for all people etc.... so these petitions are given to Jesus , note that we don't ask Jesus to intercede for us or pray for us whereas we ask the saints on earth and in heaven to pray for us, can't you see the difference , or you close your mind because some truth is truth for the Catholic church ?
I'm good the veil was torn , and now I have been given the gift of the holy spirit ...Others can do what they want no contention I'll personally take my petitions straight to the source.
@@mrscream2028 He prays for me, not to me, and thats a huge difference. He is alive, and I can talk with him directly, whilst Mary is long dead on earth, and is only a human, not capable of hearing me nor anyone else. It's very clear speaking to dead isn't permitted and is seen as awful in eyes of God.
Deuteronomy 18:10-13
10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer,
11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who *calls up the dead. *
12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.
13 You shall be blameless before the Lord your God.
@@ugandan216 You missed my point, which was that if you take your petitions straight to the source like OP said, you don’t need other people to pray for you. Also you might be confusing prayer with worship.
When people pray to Mary they are asking for her prayers. Mary is alive with God, as Christian we believe and know she is alive not dead, that’s a huge difference. If you watch the video you will see that here is a biblical basis for people in heaven being able to know what is happening on earth.
You’re wrong about the Bible verse also. The whole passage is making reference to paganism and magic and “Calls up the dead” is referring to necromancy which is when pagans try to literally resurrect dead people. Thats worlds apart from what people do when they pray to Mary. To suggest otherwise would be to bear false witness against your neighbour.
Please stop making such slanderous accusations against Christians.
@@mrscream2028 I'm not wrong about the verse, and what Saul did in Book of Samuel 28 proves my point. Or are you trying to tell me speaking to dead people is allowed? She may be alive with God, but she is dead on earth! She, by her own words, needed a saviour herself! She cannot listen to prayers! Prayer is a type of worship, communication between you and God, not anyone else!
@@ugandan216 if you think that people who pray to Mary for her prayers are doing what we see in the book of Samuel and Deuteronomy then I don’t know what to say to you besides that when people tell you that they are not performing pagan magic and you keep insisting that they are, you are now bearing false witness against your neighbour.
@@mrscream2028
Yes ask your nabours to pray. But has to be through jesus name . Big difference . Than going through another saint.... Or nabours. We can pray for people . But in jesus name. Who is the mediater
Holy spirit is sufficient for me.
He helps me pray and that's enough.
Mother Mary ❤ I love you so much. Im so sorry so many people reject you and are confused by you. & Think that by doing that, they win your son's heart all the more. If only they knew the gift that you are for humanity. Thank you for appearing, still today, in Medjugorje since 1981 (source : MaryTv) to lead us to your son. Thank you for placing your mantle over us and always pointing us to your son Jesus. I thank God for all the Saints, and angels, who pray for us too. We are so blessed. I pray for the people in the comments, too. Amen.
I also asked the Holy Spirit to open my eyes and heart to all truth in my prayers, and ever since then, I have been exposed to a growing amount of information concerning the saints and the Blessed Virgin Mary. The one thing I'd like to point out is that, while I agree with Sam's scriptural evidence that the saints receive or get knowledge of what occurs on Earth, I still do not see convincing scriptural support for calling on or praying to the saints or Mary for intercessions. My heart is open to the truth so May God give me revelation to show me the truth. Thank you Sam for this teaching.
Maybe you would be interested by the following links to further your investigation. For more details into the history and doctrine of the intercession of Saints, I recommend the following videos instead:
1. Dr. Brant Pitre (biblical overview): th-cam.com/video/uDY1h_RBNp0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3Ehs3gAILc_PFZv6
2. Suan Sona (Jewish roots): th-cam.com/users/liveteKegfvYdZk?si=bbvTb-iFGBWBaqLT
3. Joe Hechmeyer (Detailed presentation): th-cam.com/video/OEreH7eKUqc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IjGfUSVwn9B9CweP
You did right to wait upon the lord, the key to unlock this sophistry are the words "to" and "for" we pray "to" God "for" brethren in their time of need until they finish their course, but we never pray "to" brethren... all prayers are "through" jesus as a covering for imperfections of the flesh....God bless
@@ericgatera7149The Bible is the only authority and all truth is found within. Not some video, people needs to spend time with the Bible.
I will show you in Old testament where God listens to prayers of Prophets and Holy people. Read Genesis chapter 20, especially verse 7 where God tells Abhimelech that Abraham will pray for you and you will live. Why did God not tell him you pray and will live? Because God hears prays of Prophets, saints and Holy persons. And Mary is Holy as we all know. Intercession is what we need because we are sinners.
@josefernandes1855 again we may pray "for" brethren but never "to" brethren the sophistry of Satan is quite transparent when exposed.
Its amazing to me how Sam read all those scriptures and still concluded that praying to the saints is right. I guess we cant get everything right
This is the reality of biblical interpretation. All depends on your background knowledge on any given topic. May I suggest for more details into the history and doctrine of the intercession of Saints to follow the following videos instead:
1. Dr. Brant Pitre (biblical overview): th-cam.com/video/uDY1h_RBNp0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3Ehs3gAILc_PFZv6
2. Suan Sona (Jewish roots): th-cam.com/users/liveteKegfvYdZk?si=bbvTb-iFGBWBaqLT
3. Joe Hechmeyer (Detailed presentation): th-cam.com/video/OEreH7eKUqc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IjGfUSVwn9B9CweP
You mean God tells the saints in heaven to pray for people on earth because only He hears the prayers from people on earth and reveals them to the saints in heaven. And only God reveals things going on in heaven to men on earth.
@@tatie7604 We can see that only a few individuals immediately ascended to heaven, granted; but the major issue is that the bible describes the dead as inactive both in the old and the new testament, as "knowing nothing", and even describing them to having no emotion.
Lets not forget that necromancy, the attempt to communicate with the dead, is forbidden in God's law, specifically found in Deuteronomy, and is punishable by death. The hebrew had a simple understanding that a spirit was a demon. Demons can manifest and shapeshift to anything they want (including dead relatives), to achieve deception. Witchcraft, divination, necromancy, conjuration, all against the law of God. So my question would be, on what rational basis do you have, to assume that God would encourage His people to contradict and transgress(sin) against His law and character? We need to be careful when we assume or even claim that God encourages sin, or even attempts to break His own laws.
@TheRussianPootis I assume nothing. In my comment, I sought to explain Sam's take on praying to the saints. I concluded that our prayers should be directed to the triune God but did not mention that the prayers should be in Jesus's name. Granted, my comment was neither clear nor was it thorough. How do you explain the points that Sam made directly referencing the Bible? Why do other saints hold the prayers of saints before God in Revelation? Are we ASSUMING that these prayers are the prayers of the soul's of the saints who are already in heaven? In any case, these saints are not without conscious thought. Explain, please. I appreciate your comments. Love in Christ Jesus to you.
@@tatie7604this is a long one, so bare with me dear brother, but those saints are indeed without consciousness?
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten.
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Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.
A description that entails the detail that: the dead do not know anything. They have no love, or emotions. That doesn't mean the soul is dead however, if indeed when we do die in the first death, then our soul and spirit of life returns to Christ until He returns us to our new bodies when we resurrect.
John 3:13
No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
Another direct reference (but of course in the old testament we know a man was taken in a chariot of fire) but outside of that, you do not immediately go to heaven upon the first death.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Proof that the spirit of life returns to God, but what about the soul?
Mathew 9:24
He said, “Go away, for the girl is not dead but sleeping.” And they laughed at him
Neither the soul is destroyed on the first death as well, but rather, as the Bible has said, they are asleep, knowing nothing. Dormant, in the ground. Is King David in heaven with God right now, conscious and aware? Let's find out what the Bible says:
Acts 13:36
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Another description of inactivity within the soul(sleep), but never an active description activity of the soul there on after.
You say Revelations says saints have prayers of other saints, but now knowing that the Bible has made it clear, that the dead are asleep, let's put revelation 1:1 in context, as it details how each prophetic vision is, in nature:
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
He SIGNIFIED the message. Now that we know that there are souls asleep in the name of Christ, this must mean that many saints have died in service of Christ, if indeed signification is synonymous with signs, then this is a sign of a future outcome of some form of religious persecution. Tell me, did some of the apostles have natural deaths or did some die protecting the faith? And because this is a message, a sign, then it is an analogy. Meaning it isn't literal. It's a conveying message of the future. It's also something John could understand in the present,seeing as he knew of the concepts of persecution. But none of this is a mystery if you look at the way it's been phrased. Nowhere does the reader in revelations, give set instructions within the Bible to take it literal. Quite the opposite. Revelations tell us these are signs.
Now how does God feel about attempting to talk to the dead?
Deuteronomy 18:10-13
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Leviticus 19:31
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
And what does God REALLY think about this sort of thing?
Leviticus 20:27
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:6
“If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people.
Yeesh. It's plain as day, that we shouldn't even try to communicate with what isn't there, let alone venerate them. What do you think?
That’s fine if the Lord let’s them know someone asking for intercession but still it has to go through the Lord who is forever making intercession for us…
You are correct in saying "IF" because sam is guessing at this point.
@@blueboyblue7738stop whining
What we ask of the saints is to pray before the Lord (Jesus) for us. In the same way we ask our brothers and sisters here on earth to pray for us to the Lord our God. We are not bypassing Christ, this is a protestant misconception of how we ask for intercessory prayer. Mary or the saints are not the ones granting anything, they are asking God (the trinity) to hear our prayers.
@@blueboyblue7738 There is no guessing. This is what the church believed for 1500 years before Martin Luther corrupted teaching and removed books from the bible under his own "authority". This is the danger of protestantism, they all believe to know more than the Church fathers and the Church.
Prayer any prayer that goes through an intermediate brings honor to the intermediate and if people haven't read scripture well, our God is a Jealous God.
"I am the Way, The Truth, and the Life. No one can get to the Father except through Me." (Jesus Christ John 14:6)
Jesus said if you're going to pray pray our father in heaven hollowed be your name and so on
hallowed - i.e. kept holy.
Oui, Jésus a reproché à Ses disciples d’être incapables de prier une heure ! … comme vous , à ce que je comprends de votre texte.
Holy MARIA and all Saints, are with JESUS CHRIST in Heaven, and on Earth. ❤
When was Mary made Holy? Glorification of the body? It does not mean Mary and the saints are worthy of worship.
>>---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
----James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
---Job 14:10-12 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
--****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
---Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died).
---Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12 So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
According to Catholics, God and the Gospels are liars !!!!
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-****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
>>>--Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
>>---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
----James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
---Job 14:10-12 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
--****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
---Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died
---Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12 So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
According to Catholics, God and the Gospels are liars !!!!
Why ask Mary for protection, blessing and sactification? Why kiss and bow to images of Mary, someone you never met or knew. Why honour, exalt, love and adore Mary? All honour belongs to God. Why call Mary the Arc of the Covenant, if it's actually Jesus. Why is Mary called a pepetuate Virgin? Why wear a brown scapular? She's called the 'Gate of heaven, Cause of our joy and many other names. If she's not being worshipped, please explain what worship is according to the catholics?
And above all, many catholic prayers to God are in the name of Mary?
@@ingridprior1337Catholism is so far from the truth. Mary IS NOT ALIVE NOW
and THEY HAVE ANOTHER Mary and Christ.
the issue i have with asking the saints to pray for me is the fact that the bible says in 1 thessalonians 4:13-18 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
from what i understand this scripture is saying that everyone who has lived and now died are asleep and wont be awaken until God comes back for us. So how can we ask the saints to pray for us if they, like everyone else who has passed on are asleep? you can’t pray to someone who is sleeping
Saints are not dead.
They are alive in heaven given eternal life by God.
The concept here is that YHWH himself says he will not share worship with anyone else. Therefore Jesus and the apostles, including Mary, are below YHWH. The only way to the Father is Jesus; not the apostles or Mary, even if they worshipped in mass. We can pray for others, but where in Jesus’s prayer, did he mention praying to Mary or the Saints? Catholics have specific prayers for intercession and call her the Queen of Heaven, the same as old pagans used the same name.
Remember, Jesus prayed to god. He didn’t pray to other past ones who were taken up to pray for him.
@@user-ym9wb2mk5e Do you think that Sam could possibly be a tool of the Vatican and pushing religion back onto the gullible, I mean this guy says he used to be and now he's not and continues on as if everyone else should follow otherwise he will hang up, does this remind you of the current situations we are living in and does it sound like a lefty cancelling those that don't agree with him? it's weird and don't get me wrong he has a lot going for him but seems to be not going in the right direction with other subjects.
@@user-ym9wb2mk5e Reverence vs Worship distinction
Sounds like Sam manipulated him so he won't disagree. This is very simple. who in the bible ever prayed to Mary or a saint? No one. End of discussion
You’re only sincere if you agree with him.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Sounds like trump lol
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oh poor little child your heart is sincerely broken... 😢💔
@@mjramirez6008 0:11 0:21 0:30
All examples of egocentric narcissism. Do you think someone who is wise and gentle and honest speaks with such prideful demeanor? No, truly, honest and humble individuals do not. This man is arrogant in his knowledge.
When Jesus came down, He said to pray to Heavenly Father not Peter, John, Mary, etc. there’s a difference between praying to God versus the dead.
Yup - the catholics will jump thru hoops to continue praying to Mary. But wait for the new rainbow direction that the pope is steering the catholics towards is in effect then we'll see how they suddenly justify the rainbow behaviour and the universalist dogma that is beginning to take shape.
@@kevinrtresthe pope is insane
@@kevinrtresThat rainbow stuff tears the catholic church apart, as it will do to non catholic churches.
Alot if catholics and other christians don't agree on this, and that's a good thing.
Glory to God☦️🙏📿
Amen Glory To God Alone Always Amen
@@lisahika4269 glory to God, Jesus Christ, just look at the 12 apostles that sacrifice themselves also the virgin Mary mother of Jesus Christ.
I grew up as a Catholic ,and was very derived. Praise to God He showed me Jonh 14 :6 Jesus is the only way. Praise bee to is name
Wanna know how the Bible was chosen and compiled? Not by Protestants
The Saints lead us to Jesus, then Jesus leads us to the Father. This is what we believed, always has been.
Philipians 1:1, all believers are saints.
@@astrawboiii1853 And those who depart from here are alive in christ. The same you ask a friend in church to pray here. The same applies to those who are in heaven
@@christisking970 Only God is omniscient. Even satan can only be at one place at one time. How can the dead saints hear prayers?
JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE .. AND NO OTHER NAME .. ONLY JESUS.. AMEN..
Though your point is true, it is unrelated to the topic of this video. This video is about the ability of heavenly inhabitants being aware of what is happening on earth.
@@ericgatera7149 Brother, the idea of proving that heavenly inhabitants are aware of what is happening here on earth by no means justify the idea that the Catholic “saints” have been assign by God the role of intercessors for any of us here on earth before our Abba Father.
In your mentioning of the account of the rich man and Lazarus, where Abraham knew about Moses, however, Abraham himself told the rich guy that there is nothing that he can for him or for his family members. God’s calling or role for each of us, has a specific purpose. If we heed that calling at the time that God appoints us to, He will equip us with the necessary tools because it is all to advance God’s kingdom. Abraham was not call to do Moses’s task, nor Moses was called to do King David’s one. Mary was highly favored to fulfill the role of providing her womb to allow the only baby that was born with the purpose of dying to provide that way for us to be reconciled with God. She did well, but she couldn’t do the perfect finished redemptive work of the Lord Jesus. Then Jesus, after showing himself to many after His resurrection, comforted His disciples in John 14:6-7 saying “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Then Jesus continues in verses 13-14 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Now, since Jesus is going to The Father and sit at His right hand, not because He is the Son of God, that He always is, but because He is now our High Priest who advocates for His people. A prophet represents God and bring God’s message to the people, but a priest, represents the people before God and advocate on their behalf. The Bible teaches us with the story of Moses who is the prophet and Aaron is the high priest who perform all the sacrifices and present them for the people before God to ask for atonement and get them covered for 1 year. In Hebrews 5, we find that Jesus is a superior High Priest, a priest that never dies not like the priesthood of Aaron, but under the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek.
Jesus promised in verses 14-17 the following “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever the Spirit of truth.
The word “advocate” that describes the Holy Spirit in the original Greek is parakletos which means summoned, called to one's side, especially called to one's aid. One who pleads another' s cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate.
Coming back to all the saints in Heaven, although they might know by revelation of God about situations here on earth, they already know God’s faithfulness, His immense love for all of us and His power to even destroy the last enemy which is death for us, the saints do not need to come and ask God for anyone and anything. For us down here, we go by faith because without it, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). Faith is the essence by which every Christian on earth is connected to God's blessings. It is the faith deposited in the person of Jesus Christ, the beloved of the Father. And to pray directed to God with strong confidence that He hears us and God who cannot lie said to us in Romans 8:32 - He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? AMEN.
Being aware did not mean it's okay to be prayed to. Notice, when the saints are interacting with God they are doing so in their own volition. Nowhere in the Bible does it excuse praying to them.
Didn't David himself stop praying for his child after the baby passed away?
Simply put, Sam is wrong on this one.
@@difidon 🤣🤣
Sorry Sam but I totally disagree with you on praying to souls in heaven.
So if the saints only hear prayers through what is revealed to them by the holy spirit, am I understanding correctly that the holy spirit hears the prayers first, then passes them along to the saints to then pray even more on behalf of those of us on earth, so that God may then hear the prayers?
I understood it as the Holy Spirit allows them to hear, not that that the Holy Spirit hears them first. Just as the Holy Spirit allowed the Apostles to be heard in different languages. It does say in the Bible that where there are two or three praying, I am among them. I forgot what verse, but I would think, the more praying for something, the better. Although, not all prayers are answered.
@violet's place this is utter nonsense lol
@violet's place yes it is lol. You guys don’t personally know Jesus, you’re following man made tradition. There’s a difference between knowing God personally and knowing a belief. The Spirit of God is God himself, as he will show you easily if you call upon the true God. And he never reveals this to anyone. It’s man made. People twist scriptures to come to these conclusions. It doesn’t come out of the mouth of God. Catholics twist scriptures and rely on lying visions/dreams to get their doctrines.
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Dont create your own stories@@paxChristi123
An example of how to use scripture to justify almost any theology.
That’s what Protestants do. They make themselves the sole authority in biblical hermeneutics. They teach a false & demonic doctrine.
yeah, sam is cookoo for coco puffs, if he thinks praying to Mary is needed, necessary, or valid.....and sad that sam is this delusional...he's lost my respect now...
He is also quite arrogant
@@captaingenius-o1c The fact is praying via Mary works for some people.
@@yawos9024praying via marry is shooting a blank round she holds no power and let alone will answer our prayers .
Brother Sam, thank you for braking these verses down and explaining them. I grew up catholic became a Protestant and now God is revealing Orthodoxy, the more I look into it the more I can’t neglect the teaching of the early fathers. I will continue down this path and see what happens.
God bless you.
Its a old video. He is catholic today 😅
Orthodoxy is NOT the way, the orthodoxy you know today is a creation from the soviet KGB and still has its roots in systematic corruption
@@matteopavlinovic8031 He is turned over to a reprobate mind it seems. I tried calling him out so we can discuss but I don't think he wants to discuss truth. Catholicism is from the Devil.
1 Corinthians 10:31
So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
AMEN, pure catholic teaching! God bless
Your glorifying marry when you pray to her. Pray to God so that you glorify him
@@danielcercel1665 you dont know the meaning of prayer
@@danielcercel1665 you don’t glorify anyone when you pray to them.
Unless it’s in your heart to glorify them all the irony ..
Do you pray to a dead grandmother or family member or talk to them anytime of the day ?
@@Ask-Jesus-for-the-Holy-Spirit quote---you don’t glorify anyone when you pray to them.
Unless it’s in your heart to glorify them all the irony ..
Do you pray to a dead grandmother or family member or talk to them anytime of the day ?.. unquote
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
>>---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
----James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
---Job 14:10-12 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
--****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
---Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died).
---Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12 So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
According to Catholics, God and the Gospels are liars !!!!
Sam's arguments have become very bizarre.
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how
He sounds exactly like a Catholic philosopher/theologian. Not like a biblical theologian.
Maybe Sam is searching and developing, as we all should do, having a iq above 150 doesn't mean you got everything right, otherwise only smart people get saved.
Ps. catholics have Jesus, so they wil be saved if they truly believe Him.
When we pray,pray directly to God, not to anyone else,not even to any saints, or help you before God to mediate you to God to answer your prayer.Those saints in heaven are also praying to God to make you strong in your struggle.
Yes, that’s also my point, why do we have to pray to this saints who are also praying to God...Jesus said, no one come to my father except through me, so why pray to this saints if you can pray directly to him and he will answer all your prayers....I’m so confused 🤷♂️
@@tauiamosa5265don't be confused! The saints are simply praying for a safe journey/safe haven. Remember when Michael talk to Mary about the birth of Christ? Why didn't Christ show up to her himself? Because the Father was prepping him to go in the womb of Mary. My point is different angels do different functions but it's all for the Father will
@@TheKingwalker22Why would anybody want to pray to saints, when you have an intercercer between God and Men, "Jesus Christ? Why would anyone want to pray to saints if they are are not omniscient or omnipresent? Why would anybody want to pray to saints when they were all bought with a price (fallen)? Why would anybody want to pray to saints if we don't know if they are in heaven or hell (Only God knows)?
@@TheSavior81 you missed my whole point. Why did Michael come instead of Christ?
@@TheKingwalker22 Are you talking about Michael the Archangel? Michael the archangel is an angelic being. Saints (spirit souls) are not angelic beings and don't have the same function. Angels are messenger of God and some warriors. God dosent need Angles to bring about a message. He knows everything as an omnipresence God. He gave Joseph a warning message through a dream, to leave Jerusalem. He appeared to Abraham in the old Testament as jehova God to give him a message (physically). He uses the church (Christian believers) to spread the good news all around the world. God can use what ever he desires to convey a message (FOR A PURPOSE). Remember that God knows the beginning from the end.
God Bless you Sam you have truly opened my eyes
Interesting points, although the verses cited seem to show that the prayers in these instances are being delivered or presented to God, there is no evidence that the prayers are being heard, understood or interceded on by the messengers, simply delivered. In the later citations, it appears that it is God's will to share certain information to those present to which they otherwise did not have access.
The very common fact that prayers are thoughts which are usually put in words, for the celestial being to be in their possession insinuate that they have already heard those words which they are presenting to the Lord Almighty.
@@ericgatera7149 this is referring to end times - with the bowls of wrath and trumpets.There’s zero evidence of these saints “hearing” the prayers of the folks on earth. Zero. You’re adding your own things into scripture. Fact of the matter - when an angel shows up - usually the angel says God heard your prayer and sent me.
I agree with this the verses used did not indicate that humans praying to these saints that their prayers were being answered
Poor use of scripture by Sam, who I admire.
@@leefortuin9839 agreed 100%
Praise lord jesus Christ 🙏🏽 only jesus , dont need no saint to hear my prayers , only need jesus
You are entitle to your own opinion too.
OK, Bible butcher
@@ericgatera7149Between God and man there is only one Mediator the Man Jesus Christ.. which bit don’t you get ??
@@glenoby Of course there is one mediator between men and God, the man Jesus, who said the opposite? And we know why Jesus is the one mediator between men and God, it is because he is the mediator of the new covenant (Hebrews 9:15), no one else established the new covenant with their blood. The mediation is not about intercession or prayers, but covenant. What bit don't you get?
For more info about the meaning of what the 'One mediator; means check:
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@@ericgatera7149When you *pray* to a saint, you are asking for their *intercession*, yes? Otherwise, why pray to them? There is no purpose, otherwise. This is a denial of Jesus’ role as the only intercessor; simple. No exceptions, that’s what it is.
Oh, I pray that Jesus will come quickly, to rebuke The Catholic Church for its leniency on this issue. For so long, the Catholic Church has tolerated idolatry of Saints to spread the gospel & retain members. Nothing short of *total* reform will reunify Christians into 1 single body again, as it *should* be. I hope you pray for this too (just not to Mary or a Saint, lol).
Only pray to our lord God in heaven
❤❤All we need is truth!!! This was eye opening. I have been reading prayers from Lutheran, Orthodox and Catholic prayer books.
And I have been asking the Holy Spirit to help me know the truth about praying to Saints and even Mary. I am still seeking. One thing I picked up was the reference to how church Fathers viewed this issue. ❤❤❤Love to all..
---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
---Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
----James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
---Job 14:10-12 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
--****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
---Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died).
---Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12 So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
----Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
--Mary IS DEAD And in the GRAVE!! SHE CAN NOT hear you!!!!
What I don't understand in these arguments is that we give more respect to prophet Samuel who Guided and anointed David than to Mother Mary who birthed Jesus.
Mary was the one who asked Jesus to perform his first miracle, Jesus obeyed his earthly mother. She in a way interceded for the couple.
The same way She can ask her son to do something for us.
For whatever is bound on earth is bound in Heaven
And
Honour your father and mother.
Jesus is not the kind of person who would use Mary to be born on earth and throw her away with no regard.
Mama Mary is my spiritual mother just like how she was for Jesus on earth and that's why when he was dying he said to John behold your mother.
AKA she's also our mother.
@@BibleBuddy4Ever quote---Mary was the one who asked Jesus to perform his first miracle, Jesus obeyed his earthly mother. She in a way interceded for the couple. .. unquote
Nope--Not what happened!!!!
John 2:3-5 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” 4 And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
Where is the request????
She made a statement of fact!!! NO different than saying," It's raining out!"
------quote---For whatever is bound on earth is bound in Heaven .. unquote
Mary had NOTHING to do with that!!!
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@@mitchellosmer1293
I can only speak through my experience. And I have multiple prayer requests answered in my life. You think she cannot hear me ?
You know how many nations and people she's brought back to God ?
I used to hate praying the long rosary prayer I went to God himself and told him I don't like doing this. He gave me the grace to do it even more. Every time you get closer to Mary she makes you get closer to God and points out how much her son had to suffer our sake.
It is hard to crack a rock that has no experience of it.
When she said do what my son says Jesus could have asked the servants to go back and not to bother as it's not his time. That is not what he did!
My mama Mary is not DEAD!
@@BibleBuddy4Ever quote---And I have multiple prayer requests answered in my life. You think she cannot hear me . unquote
How do you know SHE answered the prayers?????? Which IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!
---quote---You know how many nations and people she's brought back to God ?,, unquote
You know how many nations and people have been brought to Satan with that excuse?
----quote--I used to hate praying the long rosary prayer.... unquote
The "Rosary" is of pagan origin. There is no warrant in the Word of God for the use of the "sign of the cross". It had its origin in the mystic "Tau" of the Chaldeans and Egyptians. It came from the letter "T," the initial name of Tammuz. It was used in the "Babylonian Mysteries" for the same magic purposes as the Roman Church now employs it. Celibacy, the Tonsure, and the Order of Monks and Nuns, have no warrant or authority from Scripture. The Nuns are nothing more than an imitation of the "Vestal Virgins" (a virgin priestess of the Roman goddess Vesta) of pagan Rome.
quote---My mama Mary is not DEAD!.. unquote
Then QUOTE THE BIBLE THAT SAYS THAT!!!!
NO where after Acts 1:14 is Mary mentioned again!!!
And your comment means the BIBLE (GOD) is a liar!!!
>>---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 Revised Standard Version Catholic .
..For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Revised Standard Version Catholic ..
. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Genesis 3:19 Revised Standard Version Catholic ...
By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
----James 2:26 Revised Standard Version Catholic ...
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
---Job 14:10-12 Revised Standard Version Catholic ...
But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
--****John 3:13 Revised Standard Version Catholic .
.. No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
---Hebrews 9:27 Revised Standard Version Catholic ...
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died).
---Revelation 20:4 Revised Standard Version Catholic ...
Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12 Revised Standard Version Catholic ... So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
According to Catholics, God and the Gospels are liars !!!!
Now, go ahead and tell me your own BIBLE is full of lies!!!
The book of Deuteronomy (18:10-12) states, “Let no one be found among you who… consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord.”
@@jacksteiner8842 true, the Bible prohibits occult practices and so is the Catholic Church and the Orthodox churches. The intercession of saints is different frkm consultig the dead. The words are differents and so is the concept. Amalgaming them both won't help understanding either.
The Intercession of the saints is asking righteous believers in heaven as well as angels to pray for us. Consulting the dead is what king Saül did with the witch of Endor, it is also called necromancy. It consists in conjuring the dead to appear through "occult" practices in order to consult or speak with them about hidden things such as the prediction of the future, etc.
It is very important to avoid conflating concepts if one is interested to understand someone else point of view.
@@ericgatera7149 you have such a way with words, so much so that you may very well have a forked tongue....Go on, keep practicing, you'll be just like your father....
@@jacksteiner8842 I am sorry that insulting me is your final reaction to my response. In any case, May God bless you.
@@ericgatera7149 unfortunately, you choose not to see how idiotic your argument is. Sadly, your failure to engage some serious thought into what you are making yourself and others believe is definitely not a Christian virtue. You are doing Satan's work...
This is where Sam’s blindspot is imo
I’m a Protestant and I love your ministry Sam. I’m also from New Orleans a huge Catholic community s Louisiana. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters. You need to go into though where we are directed to pray like that. Because Jesus says when you pray pray like this, “ our Father”
And to boldly come before the throne of grace. The apostles praying to God we just don’t see Mary prayer. As a minimum we see Jesus instructions to pray to the Father.
I don’t think Protestant are dogmatic about Saints not knowing earthly happenings.
Stick to what Christ Himself teaches you. In that you will be sure you are walking in the Truth and Light.
@@philshongwe8835exactly, I'm a Protestant too, and I love our catholic brothers and sisters who are seeking the Truth in the Bible. Yet no matter how many times I read the Bible, I cannot come to the conclusion that we need Mary or the saints to intercede in our prayers to God. Jesus Christ Himself never told to pray to any saints or to Mary. We are all saints if we believe in Jesus Christ's sacrifice, and that He cleared our sins and paid the price for it. God is now our Father, so we can pray directly to Him. Only Jesus Christ, God the Son can intercede in our prayers. The curtain being into 2 from top to bottom when Christ died is a symbol that we no longer need any priest or human being to take our prayers to the Lord, because the price has been paid. Sam Shamoun has a vast knowledge in the Bible. But we should all follow what Jesus Christ has taught us, because He is the Author and perfector of our faith. Even the devil knows the Bible, but only the Holy Spirit can guide us to understand what is written in it. Pray and ask for His guidance and do what the Bible, the Word of God tells you to do
@@Ariadne4 i couldn't agree with you more. Spot on
Hey Terry you should watch this video
"Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in our time of need" Hebrews 4:16
"I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6
"This, then, is how you should pray:
Our Father in heaven..." Mathew 6:9 (Our Lord's instruction)
Sam is using obscure verses to clarify clear teaching instead of the other way round.
God bless us all.
I've recently found Sam and found that I love his ability to reason, particularly with regard to matters of Islam vs Christianity, but while doing so I found that even when I agreed with his points, there were many times when his logic was not as sound as he thought it was. Despite this, he was overconfident and unnecessarily offensive to others as if he was somehow better than them in that he could not also make mistakes in logic.
In the first 5 minutes here I cannot believe the logical gymnastics he performed to rationalize praying to saints. He inserts a doctrine into a scripture in Revelations - a humongous leap - which simply is inconsistent with the text and common sense.
Revelations came in the form of a vision. Like dreams, visions are a state in which all sort of impossible thing becomes possible. When he says he heard all creatures in heaven and under heaven, the text is in no way implying that God gave him a supernatural revelation which allowed him to understand all animals and people in heaven and below - he was simply saying that he perceived this in a vision, just like right now you and I can conjure an image of creatures in heaven and on earth singing to God in every tongue. It doesn't mean he literally heard and understood every creature and language. To say that God revealed this to him isn't to say that God gave him the power to hear every instance of praise from each of those creatures, it simply means God revealed to him that this is what was taking place.
To take this and say "why can't God do this" is not the same as to say as to say "look, God clearly says or implies this". One is falsifiable and the other isn't.
Again, with the Martyrs in heaven. GOD revealed to them that there was a plan to avenge their blood after a fullness of the saints on earth which are destined to be martyred are slain - This is all that can be inferred from here. NOT that martyrs in heaven hear the prayers of living people on earth, and not that God allows them to intercede for the people living on earth. Again, the fall of Babylon he says himself was revealed to the host of heaven by God, not by prayers of living people.
Again, the bowls with the prayers of the saints. The bible doesn't say why or how they have them. We must assume nothing that isn't stated there clearly. Were the prayers collected by the saints and presented to God, or did God HEAR/COLLECT THEIR PRAYERS - which IS CONSISTENT with scripture and is often referred to as incense pleasing to The Lord along with worship and sacrifice - and then command that the angels and the saints in heaven present these bowls of prayer and pour them out. It is even more likely that these bows are simply symbolic of prayers and not actual prayers.
The example of the Angels interceding for the children is another leap in logic. He's reading into scripture what he wants, which he criticizes other for mercilessly.
Hosts in heaven rejoicing over people being saved AGAIN SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHETHER THEY CAN HEAR PEOPLE'S PRAYERS OR PRAY TO GOD FOR THEM!
The example of Abraham and Lazarus and the rich man is a parable dude. Sam is drawing, not opinions about suggested possibilities, but hard conclusions out of ancillary bits of parables. This is really out there now. Lol he wasn't expecting the young man to read the 31st verse which works against Sam's position. The dead would need to rise to be able to communicate with the living. Communication is a two way street. If the dead need to rise to speak to the living, then the dead also need to rise to HEAR from the living!
He asks how Abraham knows of Moses and the prophets who came after him, and of the events taking place on earth. It's simple. Abraham is in HEAVEN and he is a friend of God. Jesus says a servant does not know his master's business, but only a friend. In other words, God reveals these things to Abraham. None of this implies that individuals in heaven hear prayers from LIVNG HUMANS!
The premise Sam is trying to set, which is that People in Heaven can and do know what happens on earth does not lead to his conclusion, which is that they can also hear individual prayers from living people on earth. The conclusion does not follow from the premise AT ALL.
I am shocked to hear someone I thought was so wise make such mistakes in judgement, but I suppose it's a humbling reminder of all of our human fallibility and a reminder that we should all consistently humble ourselves to the possibility that we are wrong.
This poor kid was scared into submitting to Sam's bullish tactics. I say this in love because I do respect Sam's conviction as a believer. I just think he's extremely wrong on this one. I hope he realized that just because he prays that God correct him, doesn't mean he should behave as though every position he takes - including one of the many on which he's changed his mind on before - is by default the correct position. It is still possible that he err, and go from a correct to an incorrect position.
Iagree with with everythng you say but Abraham and Lazarus is not a parable,its a true story. Why would Jesus use true names and character if it was not true. If were possible and we ask Abraham if he had a conversatin with the rich man and he says no, would that mean Jesus had lied about Abraham?
I pray that his pressed arrogance in regards to his knowledge doesn't become his downfall, because with stability comes conviction to one's infallibility which is not as the Bible states that if you think you have stood think again.
Hi. Since you disagree with this take, I've questions for you:
1. Are these "prayers of the saints" their own? If so, who are they praying for if they're unaware of and uninvolved in worldly affairs? They're already in heaven, what's the need for holding prayer/incense?
2. If not theirs, whose prayers are they carrying and for what purpose?
3. Further, why are the angel with the golden censer and the saints even tasked with this to begin with? What's the purpose of this if it isn't God's intention to make "use of them" in some way as intercessors?
Thanks and God bless.
Well done!
@@TheRogueScribethese are the prayers of the saints during the tribulation being presented to God. there is NOTHING within the text that would give anyone the idea that these prayers were made to angels or men.
prayer is a TWO-WAY experience between God and man alone.
The whole point of this Topic is actually quite simple: There’s no reason to pray to Mary for anything, because we pray to a living God. If our God lives, why do we need Mary? The veil was torn and no where in the New Testament does it say to give thanks or prayers to Mary but countless times it says that we give our thanks through the Lord Jesus.
I liked Sam before but this post is disappointing me. Sam invent the Sorcery by distorting the Bible. Mary and Apostles are not in the Heaven yet but are sleeping in the Paradise ( Acts 2:34, 13:36, 1 Thess 4:14, Psalm 115:17, Isaiah 8:19)
My beloved protestant brothers and sisters and other christians who use the KJV and other recent versions of the holy bible hello and selam from Ethiopian Christian brother (the country with the oldest and most complete holy bible in the world with 81books not only 66books,800years older than the king James version) i have seen your bible and used to read it on my phone and i have the hard copy also and i don't know who changed the verses like this to confuse and mislead you all my beloveds but they(I don't know who exactly,but it's the devil's doing to mislead and lie to God's children like this) changed words and verses intentionally to make Jesus Christ of Nazareth our Lord and God as an intercessor not our God and our judge,to mention one big verse they changed was Romans 8:34
Romans 8 SEV - ሮሜ
34: Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
Romans 8 KJV - ሮሜ
34: Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
On our Ethiopian Orthodox holy bible says that 'Judges us' not 'intercede for us' I didn't know at first this kinds of changes occurred in the bible and thought all Christians read the same holy bible the word of God so I used to read the KJV and came to this Romans 8:34 and had a headache for several days trying to understand what it means how can God intercede for us,who does He Jesus Christ of Nazareth our God intercede to I really had a headache and lost sleep for sometime before some God sent brother showed me the difference between the two books,I was relieved when I knew the truth and praised God for giving me the answer to my headache *No Jesus Christ is not our intercessor but our God and our Judge.*
Please my beloveds I really love and respect my protestant brothers and sisters I'm not telling you that you should change to Orthodox or something like that not at all we are all Christians and sons and daughters of our Lord and God Jesus Christ of Nazareth I just want you to find the truth (the true word of God,not the intentionally changed one) like I did and the truth is Jesus Christ of Nazareth our Lord and Savior our one true God ✝️🙏❤️🛐
By His holy grace may Jesus Christ our God bless you all my beloveds 🙏
If our God lives, why does Paul ask for other humans to pray for him?
@@David-we3sb Because they are alive and have mouth to speak, ears to hear, and the brain to pray but the dead Believers whose bodies are corrupted and decayed have the souls but no brain, no ears, no mouth to speak until the resurrection with the new bodies, new brain, new ears, new eyes. Therefore they are sleeping and million tons of prayers won't be heard by them. Nobody in the Bible said we should pray to the dead people.
@@David-we3sb have u ever ask your mom or your dearest one to pray for you? And if they did pray for you, how would you feel? If God listened and answers your mom's prayer why not. We still pray ourself, we still do, but why should we be bothered when there are those who pray for each other? As we are One Body of Christ (whether the living ones or the ones who are already in heaven), we do pray for each other.
This guy is anything but humble. Meaning the guy on the left. God says be humble. I'm embarrassed by him if he knows Christ. It's not behavior that pleases the Lord.
Yes, Shamoun constantly and rudely talks down to the other man who has a lot more patience than I have. They are probably thousands of prayers a minute being addressed to Mary every minute from around the globe. To answer and respond to all of these would require Mary to be sharing in the omniscience of God.
@@TyroneFlanaganwatch the video because he explains how Mary can receive 1000’s of prayers. And take those prayers to her Son
@@TyroneFlanagan Except where mary is, time doesn't have the same meaning as it has for us here on earth. Sam being "rude" doesn't matter when you consider the facts. He is arguing for the glory of God here, so maybe forgive his behaviour and see the bigger picture. And you yourself kind of implied that you wouldn't have been so patient. Doesn't Jesus teach us to be patient aswell? think about it. Matthew 7:3-5
God bless you.
Sam has brought many people to the light. The holy spirit truly speaks through him and God is probably more pleased with him than me or you. He reaches people everywhere in the world and engages in conversations with them. He spreads the word. How can you be embarrassed about a man that does all that just because you don't like the way he articulates himself? Sam is humble but ready to defend Christ and yes sometimes he goes a bit too far but his intentions are good. I am always embarrassed when people who know Christ judge a person so quickly like you just did. God bless you.
@@TheWolves1138 Would Sam kiss the ring of the Pope?
It’s obvious the detractors didn’t even watch it but they want to spew their opinions rather than deal with the verses Sam used. Typical. I did the same when I was Protestant.
Morning Consecration to Mary
My Queen, My Mother, I offer
myself entirely to thee.
And to show my devotion to thee,
I offer thee this day, my eyes,
my ears, my mouth, my heart,
my whole being without reserve.
Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession.
Amen.
IF THIS IS NOT IDOLATRY I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
Don’t say is reverence or whatever Catholics call it. This is IDOLATRY. And the God condemns it in the Bible form the beginning to the end.
Bro. I’m right there with you. I have no idea what these folks are talking about in the comments. Sam is good at exegesis and he has a lot of knowledge but he reminds me of Gino Jennings. They read scripture with a very slick scheme to justify their own dogma. I don’t understand how anyone can stand on Catholicism when there clear heretical practices within their religion. clear… Antithetical to scripture.
These denominations, ecumenical or not are strange when it comes to the faith. I’m this, I’m that. I’m Protestant, I’m Catholic. Us human are so foolish. Even in the midst of well gained knowledge of Gods word, we miss the point of the gospel. Bickering amongst each other. “You’re wrong”, “you’re stupid”… these are some of Sams words to other Christians. That is not a representation of the spirit and nor of its fruits.
How is that idolatry? Do you know what idolatry is?
1. Mary is not a god nor does she have deity.
2. This is not a prayer to Mary in the form of latreuo.
3. Idolatry is the worship/latreuo of a false god. Like the golden calf, baal etc etc. Mary is not a false god, or a real one for that matter.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha there is only one God buddy everything thing else is idolatry.
Including giving yourself to a Mary if your read what it says. You are giving your whole being to her. If you want to give your whole self to someone let be God. Don’t be blind. Jesus die the Crux for us. And the bible says there is only one mediator between God and men. The man Jesus Christ. There is no need to summon anyone else. We have now direct access to the father. Mathew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
This is idolatry at its worse.
@@yohansantana6211 who said there was more than 1 God? Also Mary is not a god. She is just Jesus's mom a regular human like the rest of us. So what are you talking about guy? Are you on drugs?
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Read the verses right before it, from the start of the chapter
@@thelimatheou Paul urges Christians for prayers, intercessions, thanksgivings, etc to be made FOR all people, not to dead saints. It takes a serious twisting of scripture to believe dead saints can hear our prayers and are capable of actually doing anything about it after hearing our petitions. Are saints omnipresent? Omnipotent? No, which is why we pray to God and not to someone who has passed on into the afterlife. It is idolatrous to pray to anyone other than the Lord himself.
@@shane316 They're not dead. Do you not believe your Bible? Luke 20:37,38; Hebrews 12:22-24.
It is you who are twisting Scripture.
@@thelimatheou you addressed none of my points. Clearly they are alive in Christ. But there is no scriptural support to state they can intercede for us.
@@shane316 You are free to disagree, but please don't be dishonest. I addressed your point directly. Are they a live in Christ or not? What does Hebrews say about them?
I will agree that there is no explicit verse that tells ask those in heaven to intercede for us, but this is an argument from silence. Just as there's is no explicit verse telling us to prayer to, worship our glorify there Holy Spirit, yet we take Scripture as a whole and understand these things.
There are explicit example's of those in heaven being aware of the plight of those on earth, of angels taking prayers before God, of believers interceding on each other's behalf, and of the faithful who have passed being alive in Christ.
If you demand explicit verses for everything doctrine, then what would happen if I held you to the same standard?
Sam is a great example of someone who has head knowledge, but lacks the humility to discern the Word of God correctly. He is filled with pride and its evident in the way he talks down to people who disagree with him. He tells people they don't know what they are talking about and that he is going to wipe the floor with them.
We were NEVER instructed to pray to fellow believers. Where the Bible stays silent, we should be silent!
amen!
but you do *ASK* fellow believers to pray for you.
James 5: 16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
Ephesians 6: 18
Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
So yes, the Bible says we should pray for each other. In Isaiah the Bible states to inquire of the Lord and not of the dead for the living. We also see in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man that it's only the one in torment who is concerned and regrets the time on earth, for Lazsrus and all the saints with him, they are resting and in peace and won't be concerned with passing messages for the living .
The Bible is not silent on this Issue, it's quite clear, the saints, which are just all believers are to pursue together and pray for each other but at the same time Christ is the only mediator and its clear that the dead saints are not in the business of playing mediator, they have finished their course and await the final resurrection. Why anyone will leave all the living and breathing believers and start looking for dead ones to pray is strange. It's actually God's desire that we come together and pray for each other so that we as the Body, will have the practicality of being built up together.
@@mjramirez6008 TO YOU and FOR YOU are to different things. Asking a fellow believer to pray TO YOU is blasphemous and demonic. Asking a believer to pray FOR YOU is them praying TO GOD on their behalf.
Praying TO saints is not the same as praying TO God. We ASK the saints to INTERCEDE for us like you ASK your FRIEND to PRAY for you.
I appreciate the aspect of this teaching establishing those in heaven are aware of the goings on on earth.
But they don't affect what will take place.
quote---I appreciate the aspect of this teaching establishing those in heaven are aware of the goings on on earth. unquote
Then that makes God a liar!!!
Apparently you believe those in heaven, the created beings that worship God, hear you and know what all are doing/saying.
THen how do you believe they would FEEL? Sad? Angry? Do you realy believe that is whar God wants the angels to be emotional???? How can they perform their duties with those emotions? THe Holy Bible clearly states there is NO pain,suffering in heaven!!!
Or do you think God took aways all their emotions??
Hallelujah thanks Sam lots of pet will be change God bless you brother
Mr Sam , I have always loved listening to you and my spirit normally confirms your argument but on this one, my spirit disallowed or rejects this your analysis.
The being responsible to carry , keep and offer the prayers of the saints on the altar , are angels .
As for John , except you have not had a divine revelation but if you have , the spirit quickens you to understand many things.
All these saints , do not bring prayers or petitions before God , they can be made aware of what is going on but that doesn't qualify them to be prayed to .
My beloved protestant brothers and sisters and other christians who use the KJV and other recent versions of the holy bible hello and selam from Ethiopian Christian brother (the country with the oldest and most complete holy bible in the world with 81books not only 66books,800years older than the king James version) i have seen your bible and used to read it on my phone and i have the hard copy also and i don't know who changed the verses like this to confuse and mislead you all my beloveds but they(I don't know who exactly,but it's the devil's doing to mislead and lie to God's children like this) changed words and verses intentionally to make Jesus Christ of Nazareth our Lord and God as an intercessor not our God and our judge,to mention one big verse they changed was Romans 8:34
Romans 8 SEV - ሮሜ
34: Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
Romans 8 KJV - ሮሜ
34: Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
On our Ethiopian Orthodox holy bible says that 'Judges us' not 'intercede for us' I didn't know at first this kinds of changes occurred in the bible and thought all Christians read the same holy bible the word of God so I used to read the KJV and came to this Romans 8:34 and had a headache for several days trying to understand what it means how can God intercede for us,who does He Jesus Christ of Nazareth our God intercede to I really had a headache and lost sleep for sometime before some God sent brother showed me the difference between the two books,I was relieved when I knew the truth and praised God for giving me the answer to my headache *No Jesus Christ is not our intercessor but our God and our Judge.*
Please my beloveds I really love and respect my protestant brothers and sisters I'm not telling you that you should change to Orthodox or something like that not at all we are all Christians and sons and daughters of our Lord and God Jesus Christ of Nazareth I just want you to find the truth (the true word of God,not the intentionally changed one) like I did and the truth is Jesus Christ of Nazareth our Lord and Savior our one true God ✝️🙏❤️🛐
By His holy grace may Jesus Christ our God bless you all my beloveds 🙏
Maybe you didn't understand Sam shamoun but let me explain From different context: Saints are Not dead my brother, according to Lord Jesus Christ himself " if you know me and you're dead you'll come back Alive, and if you know me and you're alive you'll never die, those called Saints are Not saints if they didn't truly know Him. And This is Why we know they'll intercede because they're with JESUS CHRIST as HE himself Said....
I guarantee you, your spirit is not part of the Holy Spirit
I agree with you @edwardsimbosamura9387
What verses in the bible say that saints are not qualified to pray for us here on earth? It's just your opinion. Say for instance you die and you are saved in heaven, would you not think of your loved ones here on earth and pray for them so that they may be saved as well? Aren't you any better than the rich man who asked father Abraham to send Lazarus and warn his brothers on earth lest they be damned also? Think about it bro.
Sam Shamoun is amazing!
Yeah amazingly obese. 98% body fat. Gelenatous😂
This is not based on who you pray to. He sums up his argument at the end.
Intercession and mediation are two clear different things
Thank you Father for revealing this to our brother Sam and giving him a vehicle to present this Truth.
@@einsteinone5380 So the saints in heaven we agree are praying to God. Obviously since they’re in heaven they aren’t praying for themselves. For whom do they pray. Have you ever heard of St Jude’s children hospital ? Do you realize how many children have been healed through it. Etc etc. I can give you millions and maybe even billions of healings from the saintly intercessions. Lourdes. Fatima. Guadalupe.
I don’t get why Protestants hate the saints who came before us and are I. The Body of Christ ready to help us. Makes no sense.
Why are Protestants so evil and willing to lie about Catholics who love those who gave up their lives for Christ and say we worship saints or Mary ? We worship the Holy Trinity. I’ll let you investigate who defined the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
@EinsteinOne, I agree with you about Jesus Christ being our only intercessor before God.
@@christopherton let me explain this to you. There are many things we are not told that remain a mystery, so your question “who do you think the saints are praying to” we truly don’t know. Why is it so far fetched for you to believe they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing and that’s praying and worshiping the most High? Think!
About what Abraham said “If they won’t listen to Moses and the profits….” That somehow connects a validation to pray to them. Every Jew knew that scripture speaks to them…it’s “the living Word” that’s what it means brother It’s always alive and always speaking to us not some crazy idea that we can pray to dead people. Idk where he got this from but the wisest king whoever lived said this;
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten. Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.”👈
How can you misinterpret that?
@@thenarrowpath2731 the question isn’t who they are praying to but for whom are they praying ? Themselves ? Doubt it. They’re in heaven already. For 2000 years billions of miracles have happened from their intercession
Funny how you think no way the Catholic Church could be correct on the communion of saints. A king held belief
@@virginiahobby3726 you’ve never interceded for somebody ?
Anyone who has seen the priest incense an altar and who knows the scriptures of Revelations should shed tears to the glory of God
Anyone who believes in Jesus and the new covenant knows those who are saved are their own priest and we go directly towards God, not to a priest, priests were for the old worked based covenant, those who know the scriptures know Salvation is by grace through faith.
@@calvinospina7307 hebrews 5
@@christopherton verses 11-14 are great verses to focus on if you believe we should pray to dead saints, that purgatory is real, or that Mary is sinless.
@@shane316 nobody said rays to dead saints. Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
1 cor 3:15 a great purgatory verse
Mary gave Jesus His pure flesh and blood God preserved Her from sin not himself
Not sure what omniscience has to do with hearing prayers !! God is incapable of giving them that ability ?
@@christopherton God is capable of anything. But what is the scriptural evidence that Mary was sinless? What is the scriptural evidence that the saints hear our prayers and intercede for us? What is the scriptural evidence for purgatory? If scripture is not the authority, then one can create manmade doctrines of religious ceremony and claim these are divinely inspired despite the idolatrous nature hidden deep within.
1 Corinthians 3:15 has nothing to do with purgatory. Read the context. Paul is talking about building a foundation upon Christ, living in the Spirit, and being sanctified. It has absolutely nothing to do with a post death purgatorial experience and that is pure conjecture and eisegesis, reading your own interpretation into the scripture.
Sam what has happened to you brother...this is a mess! I watched this video to get an understanding of when he turned Catholic...his new videos are full of this doctrine and I wanted understand it better, the more I hear the more I feel Sam is losing it.
I agree.
Same this was illogical nonsense. Laughable from top to bottom
What would you expect when one becomes a child of the woman in revelation chapter 19 verse 1😅😅😅😅
@@Seven_1865 that's not enough you have to *argue* why
@@mjramirez6008 well, not really since I was just making a comment. Do you think Sam’s argument was logical?
Scripture is a double edged sword. Sam has shown that it can cut those sola scriptura walas as well.
All I know is that when Jesus was asked to teach his disciples to pray he said to say Our Father who is in Heaven…. He didn’t say to pray to Moses or Abraham or any other saint and ask them to pray for us. So I’m going with what Jesus taught about how to pray.
You are off-topic. This isn't the point of the video, check again the title.
For more details into the history and doctrine of the intercession of Saints, I recommend the following videos instead:
1. Dr. Brant Pitre (biblical overview): th-cam.com/video/uDY1h_RBNp0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3Ehs3gAILc_PFZv6
2. Suan Sona (Jewish roots): th-cam.com/users/liveteKegfvYdZk?si=bbvTb-iFGBWBaqLT
3. Joe Hechmeyer (Detailed presentation): th-cam.com/video/OEreH7eKUqc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IjGfUSVwn9B9CweP
@@ericgatera7149 - People will talk on the topic they like. You can't force someone to follow the topic of the video. If everyone is going off topic on your video, it means you failed to convey your message.
@edwardjackson9871 - That's right. We are not Sam's disciples. We are Jesus' disciples and Christ said to address "our Father" in prayer.
@@lifethroughromans8295 People go off topic not because the message is unclear but people are undisciplined. That's why moderation exist.
@@ericgatera7149 - Not necessarily so. People talk about the topic they want to discuss. Not necessarily what you force them to discuss. This video and the topic people discuss here are related and they are focusing on the part they are interested in while you are focusing on what you are interested in.
I was raised under a protestant tradition.. this is very mind opening
I'm staying protestant, , the question wasn't actually answered
Hebrews 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
For we have not an hogh priest which cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Let us Therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
We can go directly to God through Christ. He even tells us how to pray, and He doesn't mention Mary or any saints. In fact it says that we are saints.
Praise the Lord....May the Lord continue to lighten up His word in all of us so that we may not be deceived. Halleluya!!
You really believe these authors of the gospel could see everything clearly? They were human. Some of the things they wrote were pointers and not necessarily the whole package. Enoch existed before the bible was written. How did he know so much about God. God is able to give directions outside the scope of the bible as long as Christ is affirmed in the direction.
@@yawos9024 2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to 17
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works
As a cradle catholic this video gave me indescribable joy and a hunger to share these verses with my brothers and sisters who are missing out on the beauty of the intercession of saints. God bless Sam!
For more details into the history and doctrine of the intercession of Saints, I also recommend the following videos:
1. Dr. Brant Pitre (biblical overview): th-cam.com/video/uDY1h_RBNp0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3Ehs3gAILc_PFZv6
2. Suan Sona (Jewish roots): th-cam.com/users/liveteKegfvYdZk?si=bbvTb-iFGBWBaqLT
3. Joe Hechmeyer (Detailed presentation): th-cam.com/video/OEreH7eKUqc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IjGfUSVwn9B9CweP
God bless you Sam. The more I hear you the more I believe in my faith as a Catholic. God bless and protect you ang give you good health for you to reach out to more people.
Its amazing that we dont see anyone praying to dead saints, alive in spirit, at all. No man in the entire Bible involved someone in heaven to help him pray for something
@@stefan00017 Amazing that we see no where in the bible God being called a trinity.
@@ericgatera7149
We don't need to see the word Trinity to know that The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are God. Because the scripture is clear on that issue.
God bless you brother that part about Abraham and how he told the guy in hell they have Moses and the prophets was amazing. I've read it many times and never realized that point of view. God is amazing
I can’t believe you think just because Abraham said “If they won’t listen to Moses and the profits….” That somehow connects a validation to pray to them. Every Jew knew that scripture speaks to them…it’s “the living Word” that’s what it means! It’s always alive and always speaking to us not some crazy off idea that we can pray to dead people. Idk where he got this from
@@thenarrowpath2731 hey Brother what about other pasages like God is not the God of the dead but of the living. Or we believers are all one in Christ. Or I am convinced that neither death can seperate us from the love of God. The bible says we are to pray for one another and encouraged intercession prayers for one another. I will always pray my rosary and I will always ask Mother Mary to pray for me. She is the woman mentioned in Genesis that God used to crush the devils head. She is the blessed Virgin who is full of grace as the Angel said when he came to give he the good news. She is the mother of God that convinced Jesus to do his first miracle when he didn't want to. She is the most obedient to God's will and the most humble of all Us Christians. She a beautiful Saint and praying the rosary has helped me grow even closer to my Lord Jesus Christ.
In revelation 8 it says that Angels are in heaven offering up the prayers of the saints and the prayers go up before the Throne of God. In another part of revelation we get a clear vision John saw of the Ever Virgin Mary. He says he sees a vision in Heaven of a woman clothed with a Robe filled with stars and she is standing on the moon and she has a crown on her head. She gives birth to a man child that is to rule all nations. The child is taken up to heaven to sit on God's throne. Sounds like a clear description of the Virgin de Guadalupe miracle that sits in Mexico City right now brother. Praying the rosary is very powerful for Catholics. As a kid I only ever prayed it with family when there was a death in the family. Now I pray it daily. I have gained a much more deeper love for my King Jesus Christ. Now even when I take the Holy Eucharist I am in awww and totally humbled at the sacrament. My faith is growing and take the Eucharist with more reverence and humility. That it's the body of God and his Blood. Such a marvelous gift that the Almighty would do such a thing to save his people to manifest his word and show us the greatest love known to mankind. Jesus is master of the universe he controls it all. He established the Catholic Church and I follow all it's teachings with child like faith that the Holy spirit, through the Peter and the Apostles, knew what he was doing when he instruct men to set up these traditions that get passed down for generations to the rest of the body of Christ 🙏
@@thenarrowpath2731they're not dead. their physical body is dead, yes. but being alive for a child of God is not merely by physically living. Moses died thousands of years before Jesus, didn't he show up before Peter, James, and John when our Lord was being transfigured? This is what the Lord meant when He said that everyone who believes in Him will have their life even when they're dead. Our church fathers believed this. The first Christians believe this. Who do you think would know better than them when it comes to these things? Luther? Calvin? You wouldn't even know who wrote the gospels without our fathers, the same people who venerated the saints.
@@wouspor1804 Yes the dead are dead, western thinking has altered so much of Ancient Near East thinking.
You say " but being alive for a child of God is not merely by physically living" show me the scriptures for that?
The transfiguration setting was just a vision, Jesus says this in Matt 17:9 And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.” so no Moses and Elijah appeared in a vision (God can do things like this.
You say:- "This is what the Lord meant when He said that everyone who believes in Him will have their life even when they're dead" this verse is not saying what you may be thinking, "25Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, 26and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die." all that Jesus is pointing out is that if anyone believes in Him as Lord and Saviour, though they die (physically) they will live again on the day of the resurrection.
Verse 26 " 26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” now this verse is never fully written or quoted in our bibles, the words eis ton aiona which means "to the age", is missing, I am still trying to find out why it's not written in most bibles.
So if you believe in Christ, you will never die permanently, but that must mean if you don't believe, you will die permanently, this is not talking about spiritual death, that just isn't part of the equation, because in verse 25, Jesus is speaking about resurrection, and resurrection is only ever of the body.
Just because the church fathers believed certain things, doesn't mean to say they had it right every time.
@@wouspor1804 Their bodies are dead PERIOD. Do I really need to clarify that the soul does not die? Every Christian knows this so you arguing some fallacious point about the saints not being dead to somehow justify praying to them is just bat crazy. Do you know how many times Jesus spoke about the dead? Ahhhhhh you can’t argue your silly point with the Lord now can you? Do you think Lazarus was laying in a cave awaiting for Jesus to……WAIT FOR IT……bring him back from THE DEAD👈 Did you catch that?They die on earth silly..:find substance in your case next time..Jesus is ALIVE
Discernment in the word of God is very important! This conversation and analysis is very good. God Bless you all and I pray that we all become better people, standing firm in righteousness and resisting temptation.
The interpretation of the scriptures belongs to the Roman Catholic Church. She determined the canon, and preserved them, and She alone has the authority to interpret them. Full stop.
@@soldier8304 quote----the interpretation of the scriptures belongs to the Roman Catholic Church. She determined the canon, and preserved them, and She alone has the authority to interpret them. Full stop. unquoet
*****PROVE IT from the BIBLE!!!!
and NOT your OPINION!!!!***
As the very word of God, Scripture comes with the authority and sufficiency of God, and therefore Scripture is not subject to the interpretation of any man or body, but rather Scripture interprets itself.
----But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." (Jn. 14:26)
That is the authority.
----It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. (John 6:45, 1984 NIV)
-----Jesus is actually the head of the earthly church and those who have fully accepted Him are led by Him.
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. (John 14:26, 1984 NIV)
Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. (Galatians 5:24-25, 1984 NIV)
----*Interpret these:
Matt 27:62, 28:1, Mark 15:42, 16:1-2, Luke 23:54, 56, 24:1, John 19:31, 42, 20:1.
And this: Acts 10:11-16, Rev 1:10, 7:14, 9:4, 9:15, 12:17, 13:5-8, 13:11-12, 13:16-17, 17:1-2, 17:5-15, 18:1-16, 18:24, 19:10,.
It is delightful to discover that Sam has discovered and embraced the fulness of truth. He was always faithful to the light that he had, and now he has shared in Christ's passion in losing much that was good for the sake of preferring the greater good which is the fulness of God's gift in Christ.
Which is not praying to his earthly mother 🤔 yes?😨 YES😞?
@@mosesbaraka3355 Hi, Moses.
I'm afraid that I'm having trouble understanding clearly your reply.
In the first place, I am not intimately familiar with emojis, so whatever they were intended to contribute to the understanding of your meaning will be lost, misunderstood, or tentatively understood by me. The first suggests that you are thinking about what I wrote. The second suggests that you take some alarm at what I wrote. The third and last suggests some discouragement or disappointment about what I wrote.
With reference to the text of your reply, what you have provided is a sentence fragment, followed by a call, which becomes repeated more emphatically, for agreement with your sentence fragment.
The call for agreement, I am happy to tell you, can be answered in qualified manner in the affirmative, depending on the sense we make of your sentence fragment.
So now we are able to turn to your sentence fragment. The sense that I make of your reply, tentative though it must be, is that you require, for your agreeing with my comment, that the fullness of truth to which Sam has come include Sam's understanding that Sam is not to engage in practices contrary to true religion as identified by God, such as the necromancy and/or idolatry that you associate with praying to a human person who is not alive on earth, whoever it might be, including the mother of Jesus. I'm going to assume for the remainder of my reply that this is the substance of your reply to me.
We do agree, Moses, that the fullness of truth excludes practices contrary to true religion. We do agree that necromancy is contrary to true religion. We do agree that idolatry is contrary to true religion.
The difficulty that I have lies in identifying why you consider your reply meaningful in the context of Sam's video and my post. The only reasonable interpretation that I'm able to identify is that you see either real risk or necessary transgression in Sam's identification of praying to the mother of Jesus.
In order for me meaningfully to pursue the question whether of risk or of necessary transgression, I have a few choices, all with downsides.
In the first place, I could give a summary discussion of the various difficulties and their correction. Since there are several particular difficulties and several elements in their correction, and there have been entire books written to answer the various difficulties, such a general discussion would necessarily be summary and so no more than suggestive rather than conclusive.
In the second place, I could make a guess about what particular difficulty or difficulties you have, and try to answer them, but again in summary form and so suggestive rather than demonstrative, and possibly completely irrelevant to the particular difficulties that you have, Moses.
In the third place, I could ask you what particular difficulties you have, so that we could engage those meaningfully. The problem with this approach is that TH-cam comment sections don't typically or easily provide for meaningful sustained engagement, as opposed to sound bite zingers. Suffice it to say that Sam's video provides occasion for those with such difficulties to encounter the thought that such difficulties have both been encountered and overcome. Further pursuit is at your discretion, Moses.
---Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12 So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
I think what some people aren't realizing is that "pray" or "prayer" doesn't mean "worship".
Here's an example: "Pray tell" which means to "please explain"; "I pray you let me pass" which means "I request you allow me to pass".
This is more a misunderstanding of the English language. Etymologically, "prayer" comes from Proto-Indo-European "prek-", which means "to ask, entreat".
Sam showed examples regarding how the saints in Heaven can know about the prayers (requests) of people on Earth. Even on Earth, we ask each other to pray for others. "Brother, please pray for me, so that my sickness passes."
Now, if we combine both, we can see that we can ask the saints in Heaven to also pray for us.
It's not a NECESSITY; however, it's something you have the option of doing. That being said, Jesus also mentions in Matthew 18:19-20 that there seems to be more power in the prayer of many (at least two). The implication then becomes that more people praying will bring a louder voice to God. The fact that the saints are already in Heaven which means they are completely pure and sinless means that their voices would be louder than ours. Remember, that this is all just logical implication, based on what was written in the Bible.
Prayer is not worship. You'd have to use specific words in other languages to indicate that prayer is ONLY to the divine. Heck, if you look in even other languages, they understand that not all prayer is worship. 願い (negai) in Japanese can mean either prayer (as in to the divine) or a request or a wish. Just be open-minded and try to understand that language isn't always that rigid and that how we understand language today is different from how it was in the past. (Hence, why I hate the "devolution" of language.")
So, because praying doesn't always equate to "asking to the divine", that means we can ask (read: pray to) the saints in Heaven to also pray (read: request the divine) to God for us or for others. Even if were to go to Etymonline, we can see that "prayer" only really means "request". Whether it is to the divine or not is up to who is making the request and to whom it is being directed. As a former Protestant, I viewed the intercession of the saints as idolatry, because I thought all prayer was only meant for the divine. However, now as a Catholic Christian with more knowledge under my belt, I understand that it isn't.
Agreed, just five days ago, I was under the impression that praying to Mary in the apostles was idolizing. that’s because my knowledge of the Bible was not sufficient then I found it in revelations and Corinthians.
I now have changed directions on that because God is Omni presence everywhere so therefore, everyone in heaven automatically knows and sees what’s going on due to God, and with what I came to you on that conclusion after reading those passages was all the angels are ready to draw those swords and kill everybody on earth around Jesus Christ when he was on a crossed. How did they see that?
God is omnipresent that’s how.
Agreed 100%
>>---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
----James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
---Job 14:10-12 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
--****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
---Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died).
---Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12 So a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
According to Catholics, God and the Gospels are liars !!!!
Amen
@@mitchellosmer1293Cite a reliable source that proves your claim that "According to Catholics, God and the Gospels are liars !!!!" You're being judgmental. The bible says, judge not lest ye be judged.
Theosis man; we become by grace what Christ is by nature. We have a great cloud of witnesses. Wherever the Lord is, His Holy Ones are.
Hearing this truth, as a sinner can cause teary eyes ❤❤❤ Praise the Lord ❤❤❤
Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:26.
The Holy Spirit is the One sent to intercede for believers in this dispensation of salvation by grace through faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The passages read in the book of Revelation are for Israel after the Lord has redeemed His purchased possession.
Do you pray for your friends when they ask you to? Do you ask your friends to pray for you?
@sakogekchyan7366
The Holy Spirit is given to enable all Believers to lift up as He shows, according to His leading, for whosoever believes, as they should because He knows everything, and also brings their requests to God the Father, with groaning that words couldn't declare, and God that knows their hearts and the mind of the Holy Spirit, answers according to His will!
Romans 8; John 14:26; 1 John 5; John 17.
Believers pray one with and for each other.
Only the effectual fervent prayer of the Righteous in Christ avails.
Just because they're friends, doesn't mean they share your faith and beliefs.
If there's no mutual faith, prayers don't get answered.
If two Believers shall agree...for where two or three are gathered, in His Name, there He will be in the midst of them.
Matthew 18:19-10.
If any one comes needing prayers, it would be because they do believe, and it shall be done unto them according to their faith in the power of God in Christ Jesus by His Holy Spirit.
But they must abide in His fold, because the enemy is always waiting at the end of the blood line to attack with unbelief, and condemnation and eventual destruction. They cannot blame God or anyone else. John chapters 10-17.
Why pray to saints if you have the most righteousn, the Lord Yeshua??? Are these people blinded by a deception? Pray to the father in the name of the Lord, simple, why add? The dead are asleep in christ awaiting his 2nd coming as it is written. People really need to stop just reading the bible and need to understand it.
I agree, but cannot family members ask prayers for each other? I could simple go to Jesus, but if I ask His Mother to ask Her Son something on my behalf, is that offensive to Jesus? From the cross, our Lord gave His Mother to be the Mother of all of us. I can't ask my Mother for her prayers? Can I love Mary more than Jesus loves Her? Chill, its ok if we pray for each other: those of us on earth and those that have joined our Lord in Heaven. Charity does not cease in Heaven.
@soldier8304 You add to the word, it's really simple yet you find ways to deceieve yourself and forget the simplicity, which is pray to the father in the name of yeshua. God says one thing, humans asd and add instead of just doing the simple thing. how hard is it to follow the word?
Have you ever asked your family or friends to pray for you
@@tomgjokaj friends and family that are alive and not asleep in christ
@@giovanni540 the people who are in heaven, are more alive and sinless than we who are alive and sinful on earth
4 REASONS YOU SHOULD NOT PRAY TO MARY
1. THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR
1 Timothy 2:5 says, There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity-the man Christ Jesus.
This confirms we don’t need a “go-between.” We don’t need a middle-man (or woman) beyond Christ.
When Jesus died, shed His blood, and was raised from the dead the need to have someone (e.g. high priest) represent us was ripped away just like the curtain that tore from top to bottom.
2. GOD ALONE SHOULD BE WORSHIPPED
Luke 4:8 says, Jesus replied, “The Scriptures say, ‘You must worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”
Praying to Mary and/or any living or deceased saints is an act of worship…which is reserved for God alone.
When Jesus modeled prayer (Matthew 6:7-13) He began with, “Our Father in Heaven.” No where in Scripture is it suggested that we pray to Mary or any other deceased saints.
3. MARY WORSHIPPED JESUS AS GOD
In Acts 1 the disciples and about 120 believers were in an upper room waiting for the promise of the Holy Spirit (at Jesus’ command). Guess who was present with them? Mary. What was she doing? Praying.
Acts 1:14 says, They all met together and were constantly united in prayer, along with Mary the mother of Jesus, several other women, and the brothers of Jesus.
It’s important to note that the apostles weren’t praying to Mary as a go between. She was joined with them in prayer…to GOD.
4. MARY WAS A SINNER IN NEED OF A SAVIOR
According to Psalm 51:5 we are all born as sinners in need of a Savior, Mary included.
Mary was highly favored, not sinless. There is not one scripture to support that Mary was without sin. JESUS is the only one who never sinned (2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, 1 Peter 2:22) which explains why Mary had to be impregnated by the Holy Spirit.
Extras
* The Bible is about JESUS, after all Jesus is the Living Word (John 1:14). The Old Testament points to JESUS. The New Testament is about Jesus. The authors of the four Gospels saw JESUS as the central figure and only mention Mary in reference to JESUS. The word “Jesus” is mentioned 1,478 times in the New Testament. The word “Mary” is only mentioned 55 times and some of those are in reference to Mary Magdalene. Also, Jesus is referenced in 26 of 27 New Testament books.
* Mary can’t hear you. Only God can hear all of our prayers as He is the only one omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
* Mary was not even recognized in Scripture as a leader in the early Church. Peter is the one who stood up, addressed the crowd, and preached in Acts 1, not Mary.
* JESUS is the only Way, Truth, and Life. No one can come to the Father, except through JESUS.
Lol you're stupidity amazes me. Not one Catholic or orthodox takes Mary as a Mediator. Only Christ is. Mary is an intercessor, not the same thing.
If ur so confident these terrible arguments work, call Sam shamoun and let's see how well you do.
Hail MARY fulll of GRACE , P/ PRAY FOR ME A SINNER
Good points on some in heaven being aware on what’s going on on the earth but in all of those passages there’s nothing to confirm that people on earth should pray to people in heaven
This was not the point of the video.
@@ericgatera7149 If you have any vestiges of trust in the Roman Catholic Church, this should be alarming to you.
* Roman Catholic beliefs has expanded for 1600 yrs:
.Purgatory came in 593
.Money for masses 1100
.Indulgences 1190
.Transubstantiation 1215
.Adoration of the host 1226
.The Bible's off limits 1229
.Justification by Faith is damnable heresy in 1545
. Mary was sinlessly conceived 1854
. The Pope is infallible 1870
. And most recently, in 1950, the Roman Catholic Church discovered that Mary had been bodily assumed into heaven.
What does all this mean?
It means that the simplicity of Christ has been robbed and defiled since the 1st Century!
Acts 4:12 " And there is Salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved".
One Name, One Saviour, One Gospel, One Book.
NO TRADITION!
One blood shed for the sins.
One blessed hope when we die.
Not of purgatory, but of Heaven.
Where did purgatory dogma come from?
It came from the ancient Eastern religions of the Canaanites and their forefathers in Baal Worship.
Even the origins of the Mitre Hat is Babylonian. Originally worn by the Priest of ancient "Dagon". The fish God of the Philistines.
Take a closer look at the pectoral cross. It was Osiris that was always depicted with his arms crossed. Not Christ. And since when did King David play the pan flute in Catholic Cathedrals? He played the lyre.
Why is the greek god Pan substituted for King David?
We won't even touch on Nimrod's Semiramis and Tammuz worship disguised as "mother and child".
The early church may have fought off paganism, but in the 4th Century Constantine injected it and rebranded it, in what is displayed and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church to this day.
@@s.a565 I do not have a vestige of trust but a full trust in the Holy Catholic Church for Christ promised that the gate of hell shall not prevail against her (Matthew 16). And everything you said is factually false. Stop copy pasting anticatholic propaganda. Read serious scholarship on the Catholic faith and not debunked propaganda.
@@ericgatera7149 Matthew 16:18 Jesus does not say "you are Petros, and on this Petros I will build".
Pay attention Eric!
Nor does he say "you are petra, and on this petra I will build".
Rather he says, " you are Petros (a stone) and on this Petra (rock) I shall build my church.
The rock on which God will establish his Church is on the confession Peter has just made in 16:16 that Jesus is "the Christ and the Son of the living God"
Don't twist scripture simply because Peter became the leader of the disciples. The foundations of God's covenant is not centered around a fallible person , but in the hearts and minds of individuals. Hebrews 8:6-13.
The Catholic Catechism is rooted in error. The Gospel proclaimed by the RCC is a False Gospel. The Jesus proclaimed is a False Jesus.
If you're not prepared to accept the truth because it contradicts the cultural institution you've grown up with, prehaps it's not Jesus whom you seek.
To the Catholic Loyalist, I urge you to come out from among her before that Great and terrible Day of the Lord.
@@s.a565 I already paid attention to the petros vs petra modern distinction. But this distinction was non existent in the first century. As I already said, stop copy pasting anticatholic propaganda litering the internet. Read responsible scholarship on the matter. And yes, I have already come out of it (protestant theology) and now I am finally at home in the Church the Lord founded 2000 years ago and of which it was said the gates of hell shall not prevail against her.
Ask yourself this, Mary was alive in the Bible, so if they wanted her intercession, they would have just asked her for it in person. So think of that when you say why are there no prayers to Mary in the Bible. Also, in the Old Testament everyone who died went to Sheol, or various levels of hell. When Jesus came, that all changed and everyone went to either hell, or eternal life in heaven. Most Protestants quote Old Testament scripture out of context to try and prove their minority views on the saints or Marian intercession. The majority of living Christians now and throughout history have been either orthodox or Catholic. You don’t even see these Protestant views until 1,500 years after Christ’s death.
Thank you ❤
That’s a pretty bad argument. You can use that to argue ANY doctrine that, by your logic, wouldn’t apply if it “wouldn’t make sense that the apostles were alive”. Most of the apostles were dead by the time the Apostle John wrote Revelation and his epistles - and we still don’t have any evidence of prayers to the saints. And Protestants have a WAY more faithful view of Scripture because we ACTUALLY USE CONTEXT instead of Catholics who try to fit newer doctrines like Saint prayers, Mariology, and Icon veneration back into the text which would have never been identified inside of it otherwise.
Not only is it scriptural IT IS COMMON SENSE. WHY WOULD GOD SEPARATE US?
You’re right! Read Romans 8:38-39 and you’ll see not even death separates us from God.
@@johnflorio3576Jesus is the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through the Lord Jesus. Why have we any objections coming to the Lord Jesus as commanded
@seanrathmakedisciples1508: No one objects to this! What are you talking about?
@@johnflorio3576"if you're not with me then you are against me"
If you are not praying to God then you are against the son.
As a Catholic would say:"I have accepted you Jesus as my Lord and savior thanks for dying on the cross for me and all that other stuff! Can I speak to your mother now?"
@CountMondego55 Lol nice way of demonizing Catholics when you just prove that Protestants know nothing about Catholicism and just continue to make the same misconceptions. And this is coming from someone who grew up Baptist and technically still is for now.
Catholics ask Mary to pray for us because she is the holiest woman to ever live, if she wasn’t she wouldn’t have been chosen to be the Earthly Mother of our Lord and Savior. But Catholics do not worship her, they worship Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit.
1Tim 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
I thank you so much I'm learning so much from your podcast! Your blessing me with knowledge of the Bible but I was not aware of! Bless you and thank you!
Amen ! Great information and to the point ! We are blessed
Thanks ! Holy Spirit and Sam
Who God was taking to and when matters. Context is everything.
@@einsteinone5380
Your interpretation does not negate Gods Truth!
That was Epic response. Thank you, Sam.
Why ask Mary for protection, blessing and sactification? Why kiss and bow to images of Mary, someone you never met or knew. Why honour, exalt, love and adore Mary? All honour belongs to God. Why call Mary the Arc of the Covenant, if it's actually Jesus. Why is Mary called a pepetuate Virgin? Why wear a brown scapular? She's called the 'Gate of heaven, Cause of our joy and many other names. If she's not being worshipped, please explain what worship is according to the catholics?
@@ingridprior1337 First of all, may Our Lord Jesus Christ bless you.
Second, Ingrid, I can answer all these questions you made, however we must settle somethings before we talk.
You ask seven different questions. Seven questions! Do you expect me to answer them in just one comment here? Imagine, for example, a muslin ask you seven different questions about Jesus, how long you'd take to answer him, Ingrid? It's very easy to make a question, but it takes way longer to answer It.
Therefore, my question for you is: Are you interested in listen? Are you sincerely interested in learn what Catholics believe?
Because if you truly are interested, then I can give you an email for you to contact me, and then we can talk properly. However, if you are not interested on this, then I won't be able to help you.
I'll just ask you to search for other videos from Sam Shamoun or William Albrecht about Mary and the intercession of saints, because they have already answered all the questions protestants raise about Mary.
Take care, bye.
@@ingridprior1337 First of all, may Our Lord Jesus Christ bless you.
Second, Ingrid, I can answer all these questions you made, however, we must settle somethings before we talk.
You ask seven different questions. Seven questions! Do you expect me to answer them in just one comment here? Imagine, for example, a muslim ask you seven different questions about Jesus, how long you'd take to answer him, Ingrid? It's very easy to make a question, but it takes way longer to answer It.
Therefore, my question for you is: Are you interested in listen? Are you sincerely interested in learn what Catholics believe?
Because if you truly are interested, then I can give you an email for you to contact me, and then we can talk properly. However, if you are not interested on this, then I won't be able to help you.
I'll just ask you to search for other videos from Sam Shamoun or William Albrecht about Mary and the intercession of saints, because they have already answered all the questions protestants raise about Mary.
Take care, bye.
First of all, may Our Lord Jesus Christ bless you.
Second, I'm answering my own comment because my answer to you wasn't appearing on TH-cam. I don't know why.
Third, Ingrid, I can answer all these questions you made, however, we must settle somethings before we talk.
You ask seven different questions. Seven questions! Do you expect me to answer them in just one comment here? Imagine, for example, a muslim ask you seven different questions about Jesus, how long you'd take to answer him, Ingrid? It's very easy to make a question, but it takes way longer to answer It.
Therefore, my question for you is: Are you interested in listen? Are you sincerely interested in learn what Catholics believe?
Because if you truly are interested, then I can give you an email for you to contact me, and then we can talk properly. However, if you are not interested on this, then I won't be able to help you.
I'll just ask you to search for other videos from Sam Shamoun or William Albrecht about Mary and the intercession of saints, because they have already answered all the questions protestants raise about Mary.
Take care, bye.
Grace and Truth, Sam.
I thank God for my Catholic faith and pray all Christians can share in the Lords Church.
Catholic as in wordwide and not RC hopefully.
@@davidburrows4801 I mean Roman Catholic. The Church that has been alive for 2000 years through the Bishops of Rome. Not the reformed churches that have changed over and over again and watered down the truth since the 1500’s.
@@Marcus-lj8lc False Catholic are created in 1054 they departed from church they are heretic
Christ NEVER taught that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
@@davidburrows4801 quote----Catholic as in wordwide and not RC hopefully... unquote
According to whom???
All his life Sam has been able to do one thing. Debate. He has effectually debated himself to spiritual death. He doesnt debate others, he debates and discredits himself, his arrogance is evidence of that. So far fallen that he has found a way to justify false doctrines.
If you pray Mary or the Saints, i'm afraid you are paying the devil
You will be held accountable for saying this on the day of judgement. I say this with love. If they are from the devil, how do people convert to Jesus after their intercession. I have more to say but will leave it at that. God bless
Truly, truly, I say to you, He that enters not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. (Joh 10: 1)......
Then said Jesus to them again, Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. (Joh 10: 7)
It's "Magic" !!! we're NEVER INSTRUCTED to pray to "Saints" or "Blessed Virgins". We're to pray to Father God IN JESUS 'Name - PERIOD. Praying to "Saint So &So" doesn't increase the likelihood of getting what you want - even though the "Catholic religious system" claims that it will.
I have felt God leading me away from protestantism. I have been searching for days on this topic because it has been my one hang up. Thank you for having such a clear to the point evidence using scripture!
Please read my comment above and answer how Sam is not making assumptions on what all God reveals to the dead in Christ. There is no way to know this, the Bible doesn't find it necessary to clear that up....why? Because everyone knew that prayer was only to God.
REV. 8:4 "And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand."
The word Saint there is not some beatified dead sage,it's living righteous men.
@@alphabogeyman7462 anyone who believes in Christ is not dead nor can he ever die.
If you believe that Christians die.. you are not a true Christiaan. Resurrection of Christ means nothing to you. Christ died for us so that we may have life.
Scripture says anyone who believes in me will be saved.
first of all did you even listen to whole video? @alphabogeyman7462
@@Eliyah-My_God_is_YHWH Wow,so James didn't die at the hand of Herod or Paul at the hands of Nero...delusion.
@@alphabogeyman7462 are you sober?
Read John 11:25-26
Thanks for your video. Much respect to you All thru Jesus Christ. God is no respecter of anyone but love's everyone. God's word is a great feast for us all more nutritious than any food because it nourishes our hearts and feeds our spirit. I love for God to amaze me and appreciate your conversation.
I love Sam’s bully strategy 🤦🏽♂️
Where in the Bible does it say to pray to Mary? Or have statues (idols) of them in your churches, on jewelry, have alters dedicated to them in your houses?
Those are not idols. Idols are representation of false Gods. Example the golden calf, baal etc, 2nd commandment Is clearly talking of the pagan gods. The ark of the covenant was an image was mose a idolater ?????
Did Jesus also said compile a bunch of books and call it "Bible"? You are doubting the Catholic doctrine with your shallow knowledge but you don't doubt the Bible that the Catholic Churched compiled. Isn't it CONTRADICTING?? Just Because you can't read it in the bible doesn't mean its not there, you just really need the guide of the Holy Spirit to see the Truth.
@@Hesoyam31 the Catholic Church back then wasn't the same Catholic Church as we know it today so it isn't a contraction, the word of God isn't even the final authority in the Catholic Church anymore meaning the Roman Catholics believe that the bible is incomplete, the practices of the church, custodian and teacher, Sola Scriptura, Romans 1:16 says that the gospels has power to gives life for anyone who believes so I don't have to follow the traditions of men which contradict the Bible to receive salvation.
@@jimmyjuice7504 then prove your claim that the catholic church is not the same catholic church back then. have discourse with people who have opposing views so you can defend your claims. You can't say things and be considered facts right away.
As a former Protestant, I was also baffled why Catholics turn to Mary and the saints for intercession. But after years of contemplating, I came to realize that it does make sense. Yes we may direct our prayers to our Lord Jesus but the question is we cannot ascertain the efficacy of our prayers especially if we are stubborn sinners. Yes the Lord and all in heaven rejoice over one repentant sinner. But what if you keep committing the same sin over and over again?
Isaiah 59:2 clearly states that, "Your sins have hidden God's face from you, so that He will not hear," and your transgressions have distanced you from Him. Then, because of their terrible conduct, Micah 3:4 states, "They will cry to the Lord, but He will not hear them; He will even hide His face from them at that time."
These two verses clearly show us that not all of our prayers are worthy to be directed to God because of our stubborness and transgressions. But there is a better way to pray especially if we feel so unworthy because of our repetitive sins and it is by way of asking holy people to pray for us too. James 5:16 states that a godly man's prayer is both potent and effective. We often ask our brethren to pray for us even though we're not sure if they are righteous or not.
Those already in heaven are not ony righteous but also made perfect by God and just as Sam explained, they are made aware by God as to what's happening here on earth. They rejoice when a sinner repents. Also, in Matthew 18:10-14 as was mentioned by Sam too, God has assigned an angel (guardian angel) to each of his children (and that includes each one of us), so whatever we do, the angels would know. And when we ask for the intercession of the saints in heaven, won't the angels hear our supplication and tell the saint being addressed to to help pray for us? I suppose even our guardian angel can help us pray to God along with mother Mary and the saints. In that way, we are more confident that our prayers will be heard by God and God may not despise our prayers as was stated in Isaiah 59:2 and Micah 3:4.
The problem is your answer implies that the dead Saints are more forgiving than God is and because of their graciousness they work on mean angry God. No one is more forgiving than God.
Isaiah and micah was the old covenant. Jesus brought in the new covenant. He said whoever believes in me shall not perish but have eternal life. The belief of old testament aligns more with the jewish belief than the christian
@@honeyranch9792 With all due respect, that is a ridiculous comment. Witchcraft and sorcery and divination are also "Old Testament" but still wrong under the new testament. Remember Pauline cast out an evil spirit of divination in Acts 16:16 Divination and Witchcraft are listed among the no nos along with attempting to contact the dead. So is Witchcraft and Divination now acceptable? Again no mention whatsoever from Jesus or the apostles suggesting we can or should be trying to communicate with the dead. You would think something that important would garner at least a passing reference.
you also believe that Mary is alive in heaven....Bro no one is ....the dead stay dead till the resurection...
@@alex-y5f4g What difference does that make? Samuel the prophet's spirit was alive although he was dead. King Saul was chastised for trying to contact him even though he was a prophet. Again you would think if something this important was true Jesus or the apostles would have suggested we do it but they don't.
We have Angels for messaging. They are not even in every church service, they are everywhere.
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Angels are saints too.
Sam is humble to the Lord, and bold like a lion with the Lords living word
Now that is one big clarification coming from the holy spirit through sam
Wow. This is gross eisegesis and misinterpretation of scripture. I am blown away.
Which part?
Please could you explain which part of scripture he misinterpreted and what you think the true meaning of it is?
@brooklyn barber - wowwwwwww was my response too, lol
@Hikari Wow. Lolol.
This was awesome! Thank you!
Tell me, which disciple of the Apostles invoked the intercession of the saints? Ignatius? Polycarp? Iraneaus? Justin Martyr? Papias? Which one?
None of them! Why the arrogance?
Since I haven't read all of their writings, nor have I lived with them while they were still on earth, I will not pretend to know which one of them does ask for the intercession of heavenly and earthly saints. But to the point, this video is not about Church fathers but a reflection on biblical texts.
@@ericgatera7149 You missed the point, the early church for the first few centuries did not PRAY TO THE DEAD
2. The video is so wrong on the points, just misintepreting scripture blindly
The church fathers didn't invoke many things, yet you probably beliveve in them. This is an argument of silence...
@@Lay-Man ??? He made the claim that the church fathers said such things. I don’t need them to say anything when I have the Scriptures.
@@jesussaves2642 And how did you get the scriptures?
Oh boy Sam has stretched this big time and I’m embarrassed as a Christian free.
Let’s get this straight, Sam thinks that just because Abraham told the rich man…”…….they won’t believe Moses and the profits” Sam thinks this is proof and validation to pray to Mary and the Saints! Man this is the oddest connection I’ve ever heard.❤
I think Sam is trying to validate why catholics worship Mary. He is normally really solid, but on this he is way off the mark. I am not sure i can listen to him anymore.
@@nooneyouknowhere6148 I said the same thing. Also, do you notice how arrogant he has become? The things he says with the tone is not Christian like at all. He blows up so fast and Paul talks about that…”bursts of anger”. It opens the question and I’m not judging I’m only curious…is the Holy Spirit really in him? Just because he knows scripture doesn’t mean He is. We will know by his fruits. Sorry, this got long
That verse shows that those in tge next life ARE aware and concerned about people on earth. Doesn't it show that? Yes or no?
There were many other verses he went through to show that praying to the saints would be valid.
You don't have to pray to saints. But it's not a bad thing if you do.
@@peterwallis4288 Can you explain this verse:
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten. Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun”
Ecclesiastes 9:5
That’s pretty clear to me
@@thenarrowpath2731 can you explain the story of Lazarus and the rich man then? That seems pretty clear to me. I don't know. The 2 stories appear to contradict eachother. Why do you think you are right?
I would say though, that those who died in Christ are not really dead. However, even the rich man is depicted as having awareness.
Poor sam😢......well SOON everyone will KNOW what is true and what is evil....THE TIME IS AT HAND.
As I read John 15:16, knowing that God is a jealous god, I understand to ask the Father in Jesus name alone, none others.
---Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?
---Psalm 146:4 When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
---Ecclesiastes 9:6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
---Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
----James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
---Job 14:10-12 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep.
--****John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
---Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. (Judgement on Judgement day)
---Acts 7:60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep (died).
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1 Timothy 2:5-6
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Catholics/Orthodox-Worship & Pray to Jesus,Father,Holy spirit. Mary&Saints are ask to pray/intercede for us- to magnify our prayers to God. They are alive in Heaven with God.
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