Corgi Chan yes atleast at mountains in michigan but they’re is way less because skis are better for helping and all around easier to do stuff like hike trails and stuff like that
Flip the question: "How long have you worked here? Don't you know it is a liability to not put up signs at this time of night? Somebody could get hurt."
I think he knew... he said ‘no closed sign’ when he went past before ski patrol got involved. Chancing his arm. It does seem super harsh that they can’t just turn them away
Thank you for the video, Note to self i am not going to EVER stop for ski patrol - and if they follow me to the parking lot ill simply leave and come back another day. LOL but you did a good job keeping calm and polite.
Friendly advice from an attorney: In any situation with ski patrol, DO NOT give up your pass, but tell them you’re going home. They’ll try to stop you, but do NOT give up your pass. Ski to the parking lot, walk to your car, and leave. Come back 30 minutes later and keep skiing. They have absolutely, positively no legal authority to stop you unless you commit a crime, and no way of identifying you (unless you give them your pass). On the off chance they hassle you when you come back, tell them you have no idea what they’re talking about. If they push it, demand that they call the resort GM down and prove their accusation in front of him/her. No positive ID means no proof. Then raise hell with the GM for hiring such complete morons. But it almost certainly won’t come to that.
@@themeatman244 Now that you know what the attorney just told you, I'd say anyone who complies with these assholes has absolutely NO BALLS, not that it would take serious balls to defy idiots with no actual authority unless you decide to have absolutely no balls whatsoever and give it to them. What's the worst that could happen?
They need to do their fucking jobs and put up signage so they aren't continuing to endanger everyone else who still thinks the run is open. Half assing their job and blaming the people who paid to be there. I understand a disgruntled McDonalds employee, but a pissy skipat c'mon bud chances are you're getting paid to endorse smiles, fuck you.
I absolutely love skiing, but we all know how many complete douche bags are involved when it comes to it. I go to Utah to ski with my dad and sister, and I go every year to Iowa with my family. (I’m from St.Louis, Mo) excited to take my first solo trip to Colorado next February to ski, looking forward to not having to wait up for anybody. Definitely expecting some douche bags in Colorado though. Only experienced 1 or 2 the past 3 years I’ve gone to utah. In Iowa it’s a much smaller mountain, I’ve experienced a ton of douches there. I just don’t like the rich snobs who Karen over everything
That’s the way it used to be here in the US. As a kid 20 years ago, we used to go all over the mountain with no problem. Now, there are signs everywhere that hasn’t been groomed. It’s so goddamn stupid.
Just because the people you're writing up have been coming here long enough to "know better" doesn't mean you don't have to close the trail. If they didn't want people to go through a trail after 4pm, then just put up the sign at 3:45pm.
Id be polite get their names and the email all the higher-ups emails i could find online after i got my pass back. They didn't post it, its pre usual close time, they still havent posted it and are continuing to harass the skiers they are misleading by not putting up a sign. Im sure the people making big bucks from the resort would love to know these guys are standing at the top of a closed run not marking it and pulling passes, really looks good and encourages more guests.
@Potato Salad with eggs maybe your local hills operate differently. If that trail is "closed after 4pm", that means they were open before that and thus people are allowed to go through the woods. If they're not allowed at all, either barricade those areas as all ski resorts do, or put up clearly visible signs that explicitly prohibit tree skiing. Every ski resort I've been to operate in this way.
Man I respect you guys for being so respectful my god I wouldn’t have done that at all, I woulda just laughed and walked back up and told the dude to kick rocks lmao. It almost felt like they were pranking you guys I swear 😂
I hope you got a full refund for your season passes and those employees were fired for literally stealing from you guys. I had ski patrol cut one of the corners off my season pass before for a similar situation. I was told that once all the corners were cut it would no longer be accepted. That was the last day I ever stopped for “ski patrol”
Did you even watch the whole video? They showed management the footage and they gave their passes back. Apparently one was a trainee and the other an idiot
as someone who grew up in a ski patrol family and who is in the process of becoming one, we are NOT the ski police we are there to help you if you are hurt we are outdoor trauma medics not the police. the way these patrollers acted is the reason we have such a bad rep with normal skiers and snowboarders. It makes me disappointed in other organizations.
I love ski patrol (red jacket), you guys are awesome, you guy's dont get paid enough. Safety patrol (yellow jacket) could fall out a window and I wouldn't be sad
It's really the only good resort in the area that always seems to be open first and closed last with the most snow and trails available. Not to mention the high speed lifts they have. Currently it's the only one open around here, all because of their snow making abilities.
bruh, skied the woods there for years at night, head lamps and all, some of the best east coast powder days I ever skied, when buffalo/holiday get dumped on, they get some serious snow, never ran into ski patrol in all my time, probably figured no one would ski the woods deep in the night like what we were doing( its pitch black without proper head lamps/gear). Shout out to the Adirondacks, we do things different.
I'm so glad I'm old. When I was young enough to do things that angered the ski patrol, very few people were carrying cameras at all, and digital cameras, much less integrated digital cameras in cell phones everyone has on them at all times, were things of the distant future. This meant the ski patrol could only clip your ticket/pass if they actually caught you, and they usually would not follow me into the trees. Tree skiing is fun, and ski patrollers are (contrary to some people's opinion) not terrific rough terrain/ungroomed snow skiers. Never got my ticket clipped once, even when a ski patrol duo saw me jump over the 'no jumping' sign at the compression bowl between Powder Bowl and Lucky Shot at Crystal Mountain, a favorite thing to do in my crowd. Me and my friends used to make fun of people who managed to get caught.
If you want to close a run you have to rope or fence it off with signs stating that it is closed. You can’t have it wide open and assume people will know that a run it closed, ridiculous
After moving overseas, I see how much stupid regulation there is the the States, it is so frustrating, it is really nothing, but these people turn it into something stupid
I used to work for Vail Corp. After getting stopped once for "going to fast", which was 5 mph faster than the people around me I understood these guys were pretty much just acting out their dreams of having power over peoples lives. The next time one of them tried to stop me I just ignored him following me and talking to me and rode all the way to the parking lot, unstrapped, and walked away. He followed me for a good mile on foot while calling security but once I hit the main road and was off the property they finally stopped. The best moment was when security pulled up next to me and asked what was going on. I politely responded that I wasn't sure, but there was a man following me for quite some time and it was pretty weird of him. The looks on the two security guys faces was pure gold as they tried to figure out if I was a complete psychopath or just an asshole. Worked there for three years after that and ended up running an entire department. Good times.
An attorney’s take: This is exactly what you should do. They’re not cops, they have no legal authority to do anything but escort you off the property. They rely on intimidation and people’s ignorance of the law to get what they want.
Yup, exactly what I did, I claimed I couldn't hear him once I got to the bottom. Walked to the parking lot, made sure they didn't see what car I had and left. Your not getting my pass bud , better call the real cops if you want it.
@@Scientist_Salarian Ok counselor. What is the burden of proof that would be needed to take your pass? Preponderance? Reasonable suspicion? PC? Are you entitled to a hearing. Passes are expensive. They wouldn't be taking mine without irod clad proof that I deserved to have it taken. In this case, where was the trail closure marked? Did the skiers sign a document stating that they understood trees were closed at dusk? Even in some fake ski resort court, they keep their pass.
@@unleash_the_fury A season pass is a physical item which you legally purchased from the resort. It is your sole property under the law. No employee of the ownership company- security guard, GM, whoever- has the authority to seize your personal property. Even a law enforcement officer would need reasonable suspicion at a bare minimum, and since your pass isn’t a legally prohibited possession or stolen, they’d have a hard time legally justifying confiscating it from you. Now, the service that is provided to pass holders is under control of the resort. Simply having a pass doesn’t necessarily entitle someone to service. *IF* the resort could learn who you were without taking your pass (i.e. scan it from outside your jacket or something), they could blacklist your pass in their system. At that point, you’d have to hire a lawyer to get it reversed. The burden of proof in civil court is far lower than in criminal court, so you’d have an uphill battle to fight for a denial of service claim. They’d simply say you were behaving badly, and they had reasonable evidence to suggest they know it was you. Honestly, it could go all sorts of different ways depending on which local, state, and federal jurisdiction you live in, and how much money you (and they) are willing to pour into the fight. I hope that answers your questions a bit.
@@Scientist_Salarian pretty sure it states in the fine print that the pass is the property of the vail resort...not yours even if you bought it. Refusing to give the pass would be a bad idea They will just deactivate it online.
“You know any the woods are closed when it comes to be this dark at night” I don’t know about you but to me this looks like a cloudy day and I would’ve never guessed it was night.
Water safety on a lake I worked was the same. Used to be a reputable organization then the richest boat rental place took them over. They enforce their own authority on the lake harassing everyone meanwhile I had to call the county sheriff to get their party boat out of my mooring lines at the summer camp I ran the waterfront for. They were drinking and jumping off the boat at dusk. Local police wouldn’t respond because their boat patrol office was closed and said to call water safety, who are literally on that boat partying. Just one of a dozen stories like that, don’t even get me started on their tourist mail boat. Gage Marine on Lake Geneva.
@@JaredRider At the bottom they would have just taken your passes however, so you had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Think with your noggin next time!
So for clarification yellow coats are SAT, Safety Assistance Team. Red coats are ski patrol and blue coats are instructors. Black coats are general staff. This is the case at ‘most’ mountains. My local mountain the SAT are extremely power hungry. The ski patrollers other than a few are super relaxed. Yellow coats love to voice themselves. I’ve spent plenty of time running from yellow coats
Please note: Not all patrollers are this way :) As a patroller, it is a shame to see other patrollers acting in such a way. Sorry you had this experience, if you’re ever in Montana, I’ll hook you up :)
Big Sky is my fav place. No questions asked. The best skiing ever. Love going up the tram and hiking from headwaters. Going there late march-early April.
To be fair this isn’t even the ski patrol. They are mountain hosts and seem incredibly incompetent. They have no medical crosses or equipment. But yeah they are big ass holes who don’t know their own hill
That's the part I don't understand. I have never gone skiing in the US but is the rule there that if the trail is closed you are not allowed to ski it? In my country it's simple: if it's closed, proceed at your own risk. Unless they are setting off avalanches etc of course. This is so weird.
@@the_bottomfragger Most ski area laws have ski patrol or the area being liable if you get injured so the area closes runs with high probability to injure and we try to limit liability by making sure you stay of closed runs. Also those aren’t close runs, but you described caution runs. That or you don’t know what closed means
Where do you come up with that crap ? A thirty second google search and : Under Colorado law, "a skier assumes the risk of any injury to person or property resulting from any of the inherent dangers and risks of skiing.” The New Mexico Ski Safety Act states that a skier “accepts as a matter of law the dangers inherent in that sport insofar as they are obvious and necessary.”
So depending on how many years you've been skiing there, that dictates whether or not they have to put up closure signs? Or it means that you're not allowed to ignore signs that aren't there? I'm so confused.
Hopefully HV is securing their areas before initiating confrontation and education. Thanks for the video, and for getting situations like this straightened out for skiers like myself.
Never give up your pass to these guys, just meet them at the bottom of the slope by the lift and ask for their manager or higher up. The guys out there actively patrolling are usually just seasonal hires and have 0 authority. I’ve actually went and set up a closed sign for them because they wanted to call me out for riding a closed trail, that had an entrance very much open lol. You handled this well, kudos
I love how this *** wagon tells you "what you know." I've been skiing for years and years, and never have i gotten a Ski Patrol briefing on the bus. Ski Patrol has an obligation to mark closed trails or runs, clearly and conspicuously.
let me get this straight: the run is open during the day and they close it for night skiing. It's dusk - not night. They haven't closed the run yet. And the skiers are the ones getting into trouble? What the heck is wrong with these ski patrollers? Unbelievable.
Dusk is the most dangerous time to ski. Since there are no shadows, the terrain undulations are difficult to see. Once the lights are on, that contrast is back again. In fact, I see best night skiing.
Iam from Austria, and i have been skiing/snowboarding my whole live but ive never seen something like skipatrol or safetypatrol didn't even know that existed. Skiing here is at your own risk if you manage to die its on you.
The ski patrol in austria only comes when you call em up afaik. In france I know they pro-actively ski down slopes as well. I like the french system better but I like austrian resorts better though
US is better because all of the off piste is avalanche controlled, unless there's clear warnings that tell you it's not. In Europe, that's impossible to do because there's glacier crevasses and other things besides avalanches. Europe wins though from the sense that people are scared to ride off piste so you can score a lot more powder. I think both systems are good
Skipatrol in Europe is to find and help anyone hurt or stragglers who have difficulty finding their way back out at the end of the day. We certainly do not have people like in this video. Plus, to be ski-patrol in Europe you need to be very fit and a very good skier.
Ever since Vail took over Whistler/ Blackcomb there have been asshole yellow jackets all over. Didn’t buy a pass there this year moving on to other mountains. Revelstoke and Kicking Horse here I come.
@@donziperk lol there’s been no change in patrol structure at WB since the Vail acquisition. Yellow jacket/volunteers just do speed control on the ski outs which is 100% needed cuz of shitty out of control gapers causing danger. There are no yellow jackets where you actually ski.
@@hobmarg I have never had any complaints with the ski patrol at W/B. Very professional. I have been yelled at, lied about and generally find the yellow jackets to be a bunch of wanna be security guards. I don’t race through congested areas. I may be carrying more speed than the average skier but I’m 100% in control and always on my edges. I’ve been yelled at on ZIg Zag, Cruiser DM down hill at coaches corner Crab Apple, Olympic with nobody near me. if I come across congestion I slow and stay near the edges. I’ve skied Whistler since 1973 never been involved in any incident involving other skiers. On the other hand I see people going half the speed I am and are out of control but are not bothered at all. Speed isn’t dangerous but being out of control is. I ski exact same way at SilverStar, Revelstoke and Golden and have never heard a thing. One more thing the yellow jackets aren’t the only reason I left. Since Vail (Vial) resorts took over service and on mountain experience has changed for the worse. 10,000 signatures and counting on the Vail, Make Whistler Great Again petition speaks volumes.
@@donziperk I was going to dismiss you but if you have legit been skiing there since 73 I will respect your experience. I've only been skiing there since 98 but have never been yelled at, only had them motion at me a handful of times. I used to race so I know how to ski fast, but on ski outs I just go the speed of traffic and if you ski WB a lot you know where they are posted up (it's always the same spots) so you slow down before the pitches coming into those choke points. Or just park Creekside and never see them. Honestly they are needed because there are so many clueless gapers riding out of control, trying to hit side hits etc. and WB is an inverted triangle so everyone funnels onto the same 2 ski out runs.
As an attorney, this is actually very sound advice. Ski patrol aren’t law enforcement officers. They have absolutely no legal authority to detain you, nor lay hands on you or your property unless you commit a crime (in which case any average person can detain you under citizens’ arrest, not just ski patrol). The only thing they can legally do is escort you off the mountain. So, if you get stopped by ski patrol, tell them you’re going home, but do NOT surrender your pass. If they can’t identify you, they can’t prevent you from coming back a few minutes after you drive away.
@@Scientist_Salarian Yup, I keep my pass in my pocket. I get chased I just go to my truck and bail. Your not pulling my pass and your not laying a hand on me. One caught up with me once and like you said I just claimed I couldn't hear him. He just let me go cuz he wasn't a total douche like these guys.
Easier said than done when it's the best in the area condition wise and lifts. Example, they are the only open resort around this area because of the amazing snow making capability they have with the computer run snow makers. Resorts 30 minutes from them aren't open and probably wont be for who knows how long.
@@justasnowball I am being real. I would go snow check a sled. Buysnowshoes. Go ice fishing. Whatever. Who wants a hobby that involves Nazis that don’t follow their own rules? Never seen a ski patrol like that.
As a 15 year Pro patroller from eastern calif. these two so called patrollers were totally out of line. No closed sign no violation. As far as 5mm attorney , there are laws about being in a closed area, Penial code violations. And the skiers in this video were not in violation of any thing. PS read the back of your pass or ticket, It's your responibility
As an attorney, this is actually very sound advice. Unless you commit a crime, they have no legal authority to do anything but escort you off the mountain. And if they don’t know who you are, they can’t prevent you from coming back a few minutes later. NEVER surrender your pass to ski patrol, no matter how much they try to intimidate you. Just tell them you’re going home and ski to the parking lot.
I got a season pass here. Yellow jackets are the absolute worst I’ve had plenty of shitty experiences with them. I ski through the woods at night anyways you just gotta ski faster than them and go straight to yodeler instead of stopping at the tannenbaum lift
Ive skied the woods at holiday for several years and never got told that the woods were closed at night until I saw this video lmfao.... we always went in with head lamps, some of the best east coast powder days i've ever skied, guess they figured no one knew how to navigate the woods proper at night lol, Adirondacks taught me well!
Europe is entirely different. Never had any problems with ski patrol. They basically let you ski where you want to at your own risk. Unless they’re setting off avalanches, they let you go wherever you want. You ignore any warning signs it’s your own fault. Off piste just means that it’s not groomed. Not that it’s out of bounds.
After a few of these videos from different mountains, I've learned to never stop for yellow jackets as they are not patrol but safety jackoffs with an axe to grind.
I would have maybe been a bit more assertive with them, as politely as possible. I would've said right away "Look, guys - I really think this is unfair. The entrance to the run is open. There's no sign telling us the run is closed! How do we know it's closed?? We're not alone - two people just did the same thing we did."
Because a lot of them are like us and want everyone to enjoy their ride and pass it on to the generations below us and so on. Ski patrol like this encourage first timers to never come back. That’s not only bad for business but it’s a shitty attitude to have. It reminds me of the rich entitled skiers who think the resort of only for the rich and entitled. This clearly isn’t a safety issue at all, they probably thought these kids were doing something they shouldn’t and didn’t catch them doing anything so they just assumed they were. After working at a resort for a few years (not patrol) I’d have said “let’s go to the bottom and talk to your manager and explain the situation, there’s no signs or ropes the run is closed and it’s not fair to take our passes and cut a corner because we didn’t know an open run was now closed when it’s not yet dark” guaranteed if you offered to meet them at the bottom with a manager where these discussions should be had in the first place these kids would have been told to make sure a runs open and that’s that. Verbal warning because the run wasn’t roped off. The real bitching would probably have been patrol for not doing their jobs. If a runs closed you actually have to close it first.
As a former ski paroller at three different resorts in BC, this was obvious a power grab. These men are no even patrollers. As a patrol I would of said " hey you were kinda cutting it close to skiing in the dark", maybe next time avoid these runs at this time to avoid any confusion. Ill tell you what Ill ski down to the bottom with you guys to make sure you get threw safe. And next time err on the side of caution and avoid this run this close to dark.
😂😂😂 Me as a European guy. We ski in the Austrian Alps / Swiss Alps at places that are ACTUALLY dangerous. Places that go steeply downhill with potental rocks, trees, avalanches or a combination. Often over a kilometer away from the ski slopes and ski lifts. And guess what? No one cares. What if something happens? Well... Its part of the deal... Do accidents never happen then without "Ski patrol" Hero's who pull people's passes? Yes it happens sometimes. And we do have ski patrol but their job in europe is to help people who need help or bring people to safety.
Europe at least there's decent cell phone coverage anywhere on the mountain even if you're climing Mont Blanc lol. Here in the US at my home resort you got nadda until last year they finally put up a tower lol
(I worked ski and ride school for 6 years and hold certifications in New Zealand and the Rockie mountians) Simple fact. Ski patrol does not have the legal authority to detain you, or demand your information. You can ignore them, remain silent, and leave their patroll area. I keep my pass in an RFID pouch these days, so they can't scan for identification without my consent... This has saved me twice in the past 8 years from dumb patroll or lift operators who think they have some kind authority they do not.
That dosent fly in California. I worked 25 seasons 8 as a patroller. If you go in a closed area you will lose your pass. If you dont give it up you will not be taking the lifts to the parking lot or anywhere else. Most areas are closed for damn good reasons. Why should a patroller need to risk thier life rescuing a moron that went out of bounds?
Hey. Former SJCI Ski Bus Alum here and member of the National Ski Patrol, so this was a cool video to come up in my feed today. To be clear, that was the HV Mountain Host Safety Team that pulled your pass, not HV's Ski Patrol. The Mountain Host Safety Team wears yellow jackets and badges that say "Safety Team" which is clearly visible at the 1:56 mark of your footage. They focus mainly assisting customers and enforcing management rules at the area. In fairness, based on what I saw and my experience, this interaction was perhaps overaggressive, and probably why management, when reviewing the footage gave your passes back. HV's National Ski Patrol members wear red parkas with white crosses, each with over a year of initial training and then trains annually every year after. Our focus is stabilizing and transporting skiers/riders when they might get injured. It's a whole other level of commitment for sure. It's that commitment and pride that drew me to comment today to clarify with you the title and captions found in the video reflecting "ski patrol" are simply not accurate. Do Ski Patrollers get overzealous from time to time? Sure. Are those bad experiences with Ski Patrollers captured by customers on video and posted on youtube and insta? For sure. Is that what happened here with you? No.
@@mcmahon1130 Please know I do not have any affiliation to Holiday Valley, the patrol or the safety team. I do know though it's not how the it works there.
Its so fascinatingly funny for us Europeans to watch these kind of videos, and you guys taking this all serious like in the movies :) Purpose of the ski patrol here is exclusively search and rescue, and I really don't know what you need to do to get you ski pass revoked (probably something that would merit police getting involved or something serious like that).
@@LandonFox I honestly thought this "ski patrol" stuff is something from movies, and not actually a real thing. And the guys are so compliant, like this is a serious situation, everybody is handling it professionally, its crazy :) If ski patrol in Europe stopped somebody and tried to hassle them like this, they would probably just get laughed at and ignored (not ignored in terms of following safety guidlines, but definitelly ignored in terms of giving your skipass for inspection).
My god..I skied there when I was a kid. I live in Whistler now and was a ski patroller here for 15 years. Thank God I never ran into these two ass hats, I would never become a patroller. You guys were super calm, good job, I would have told them to pound sand. Put a sign up if it's closed.
I commend you for your behavior with the ski patrol, that is how anyone who gets in "trouble" should behave themselves, especially when you are in the right.
I would have told the guy on the left to f' off, regardless of how long you've skied there. No "closed sign" means it's ok to ski there, put the sign up, I won't go there. I'd have gotten their names and immediately gone to speak with resort GM
You actually handled this very well. The guy was being a total dick and you kept your cool and apologized and were compliant with everything. I'm glad you got your passes back.
@@jimmydean239Nope, they had a video showing they broke no rules so easily the best thing to do. If they had acted like jerks that would have been on video also, but because they acted so respectfully, it just makes the patrol look like tyrants. If their passes had been revoked any judge would have sided with them which also means any half competent manager would side with them also.
I'm not a skier but I am an avid hiker. Even I know the yellow jackets didn't do their job properly. If they wanted a trail closed they needed to mark it or barricade it with SOMETHING. That way there's at least SOME indication that people aren't allowed in that area. Even if it's a sign for the trailhead saying "Happy Trail closed from 4pm to 8am skiing beyond this point after 4pm will result in having your season pass temporarily revoked"
@@susieasado6675 I would say, that going to the manager, after they took their passes based on a completely nonsensical argument, was a totally okay choice. The ski patrol handled the situation very poorly.
I would have your ski club pick a different resort then write the GM and tell them why - YOu deserve an apology for the patrollers incompetence in NOT Posting signage. If it was dangerous it should have been cordoned off!
Wow big credit to you guys for keeping your cool! I definitely would not have been that calm or compliant, although I think it was best in the situation given how much of a hardass he was
This same thing happened to me at park city. No closed sign- took my pass - made me go to some stupid class. Ive been told there doing this to tally up proof they are flagging lots of "out of control " or whatever riders to show and cover for lawsuits.
I've been a Ski Patroller for almost 30 years. Anyone who responded as courteous as y'all did would have only received a verbal warning from me. I'd let you return to the open trail and go on your way. This would also tell me the trail closed sign location was inadequate and more needed to be done by the patrol to demonstrate a closed area. I also don't waste my time with the really lippy and send them off to management.
This is so strange. The main ski resort I go to is sunshine by banff and I absolutely love the patrol and lifties. They are the nicest people ever, the lifties are usually Australian and super friendly. The patrol is really informative about when certain runs open up and the conditions on them. My buddy one time was asking about this one chute that's crazy hard and they actually asked if they could film it because nobody does it.
Yeah same at Whistler. I saw a few years ago the hottest blonde chick ever 15 feet up in a tree removing christmas lights without any safety equipment lol. Aussies are badass
The ski patrol problem is an American made problem not by starting ski patrol but by every one suing for the dumbest things and getting away with them. American society is the problem here.
As a ski patroller myself, that was a douche move. You were very polite and they didnt mark the trail off enough clearly. Good thing you were filming.
A ski patroller can also be a snowboarder patroller right?
@@corgi3339 Never seen one but probably.
Corgi Chan yes atleast at mountains in michigan but they’re is way less because skis are better for helping and all around easier to do stuff like hike trails and stuff like that
Cool.. What Resort? I work at Mammoth Moutain Ski Resort..
@@corgi3339 No Snowboards for Ski Patrol.. Snowboarding is a lousy form of transportation.. lol
Flip the question: "How long have you worked here? Don't you know it is a liability to not put up signs at this time of night? Somebody could get hurt."
Finish it off with, “ you got your card on you? Hand it over”
@@lht9600 “I’ll give this back on Friday “ lol
Best comment chain of the video
Lawyer brained and legal pilled 🧠 💊
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In my 15 years on Ski Patrol, I've never pulled someone's season pass... and I'm a supervisor.
Get a real job dorky loser
@@erichernandez8883 I understand your jealousy Eric, after all I get paid to ski, you on the other hand pay dearly to ski, that is if you ski at all
@@provenoperator6382so basically you are poor but get to ski when ever you want. Pretty cool
@@wwerty234 yes, would you like to donate towards new skis?
Lazy patrol should have posted the sign..you did nothing wrong.
Yea he did!
@@brettschock8585 what did he do wrong?
I think he knew... he said ‘no closed sign’ when he went past before ski patrol got involved. Chancing his arm.
It does seem super harsh that they can’t just turn them away
@Bongo Bois he should have just let them go like @Connor Manning said.
@@thetrickster42
Noticing the trail isn’t closed is no issue. It’s not closed so use it... the ski patrol were just being assholes. Plain & simple.
Defund the ski patrol
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They are already underfunded and it the yellow jackets not ski patrol.
@@willraefpv ski patrol doesn’t do medical they have medical personnel in red
@@samm_8082 lmao good luck getting the ambulance to drive up the mountain bud...
@@dopernautz8824 that's true
Thank you for the video, Note to self i am not going to EVER stop for ski patrol - and if they follow me to the parking lot ill simply leave and come back another day. LOL but you did a good job keeping calm and polite.
Friendly advice from an attorney: In any situation with ski patrol, DO NOT give up your pass, but tell them you’re going home. They’ll try to stop you, but do NOT give up your pass. Ski to the parking lot, walk to your car, and leave. Come back 30 minutes later and keep skiing. They have absolutely, positively no legal authority to stop you unless you commit a crime, and no way of identifying you (unless you give them your pass).
On the off chance they hassle you when you come back, tell them you have no idea what they’re talking about. If they push it, demand that they call the resort GM down and prove their accusation in front of him/her. No positive ID means no proof. Then raise hell with the GM for hiring such complete morons. But it almost certainly won’t come to that.
This dude gets it
Ya but that takes some serious fuckin balls
@@themeatman244 Imagine saying no to authoritarian asses.
@@themeatman244 Now that you know what the attorney just told you, I'd say anyone who complies with these assholes has absolutely NO BALLS, not that it would take serious balls to defy idiots with no actual authority unless you decide to have absolutely no balls whatsoever and give it to them. What's the worst that could happen?
Heey, 2.2 inch d attorney, stfu
What a couple of jerks. Isn’t skiing supposed to be fun can’t these guys use some common sense and just tell you guys not to do it again
They need to do their fucking jobs and put up signage so they aren't continuing to endanger everyone else who still thinks the run is open. Half assing their job and blaming the people who paid to be there. I understand a disgruntled McDonalds employee, but a pissy skipat c'mon bud chances are you're getting paid to endorse smiles, fuck you.
I absolutely love skiing, but we all know how many complete douche bags are involved when it comes to it. I go to Utah to ski with my dad and sister, and I go every year to Iowa with my family. (I’m from St.Louis, Mo) excited to take my first solo trip to Colorado next February to ski, looking forward to not having to wait up for anybody. Definitely expecting some douche bags in Colorado though. Only experienced 1 or 2 the past 3 years I’ve gone to utah. In Iowa it’s a much smaller mountain, I’ve experienced a ton of douches there. I just don’t like the rich snobs who Karen over everything
@@miloman812 90% of my skiing in Colorado has involved siting in front of the Eisenhower tunnel for hours, staring at burning SUVs.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 true that.
Props for being so chill, I couldn't have kept that calm and nor could I have brought myself to hand over anything in that situation.
Bro in Europe everyone goes on closed runs it's just at your own risk.
Yea i thought that too as i've never seen a trail been closed in europe
lol - do you have any idea how many lawyers we have over here?
@@michaelbowers3842 Too many? Makes them cheaper?
Its cause everybodys suing each other in the US
That’s the way it used to be here in the US. As a kid 20 years ago, we used to go all over the mountain with no problem. Now, there are signs everywhere that hasn’t been groomed. It’s so goddamn stupid.
Just because the people you're writing up have been coming here long enough to "know better" doesn't mean you don't have to close the trail. If they didn't want people to go through a trail after 4pm, then just put up the sign at 3:45pm.
Ikr
Too much logic in your reply
What?
Id be polite get their names and the email all the higher-ups emails i could find online after i got my pass back. They didn't post it, its pre usual close time, they still havent posted it and are continuing to harass the skiers they are misleading by not putting up a sign. Im sure the people making big bucks from the resort would love to know these guys are standing at the top of a closed run not marking it and pulling passes, really looks good and encourages more guests.
@Potato Salad with eggs maybe your local hills operate differently. If that trail is "closed after 4pm", that means they were open before that and thus people are allowed to go through the woods. If they're not allowed at all, either barricade those areas as all ski resorts do, or put up clearly visible signs that explicitly prohibit tree skiing. Every ski resort I've been to operate in this way.
Man I respect you guys for being so respectful my god I wouldn’t have done that at all, I woulda just laughed and walked back up and told the dude to kick rocks lmao. It almost felt like they were pranking you guys I swear 😂
I would probably not have stopped. 😂
this is the way lol @@simongloutnez589
I hope you got a full refund for your season passes and those employees were fired for literally stealing from you guys. I had ski patrol cut one of the corners off my season pass before for a similar situation. I was told that once all the corners were cut it would no longer be accepted. That was the last day I ever stopped for “ski patrol”
HI CHARLIE
I know you from the funk bros
Why hasn’t anyone said anything to you
Yo what’s up Charlie
Did you even watch the whole video? They showed management the footage and they gave their passes back. Apparently one was a trainee and the other an idiot
as someone who grew up in a ski patrol family and who is in the process of becoming one, we are NOT the ski police we are there to help you if you are hurt we are outdoor trauma medics not the police. the way these patrollers acted is the reason we have such a bad rep with normal skiers and snowboarders. It makes me disappointed in other organizations.
I love ski patrol (red jacket), you guys are awesome, you guy's dont get paid enough. Safety patrol (yellow jacket) could fall out a window and I wouldn't be sad
Y’all handled it better than I would’ve. Kudos.
i would not even have stopped
I go to Holiday Valley every year and I've never had a problem with them. It's always been smooth. Thats screwed up.
Same I always go ski where they went and I’ve never had a problem before
@A Rodriguez yep my pass belongs to no one but ME
@Potato Salad with eggs bet your great at parties
Aye I’m about 15 minutes away from holiday valley
I’m going this year
Don’t go to Holiday Valley, check! ✔️
It's really the only good resort in the area that always seems to be open first and closed last with the most snow and trails available. Not to mention the high speed lifts they have. Currently it's the only one open around here, all because of their snow making abilities.
Never go skiing or snowboarding in New York , Check ✔️
@@SwimbaitDevin no one goes there for skiing anyways lmao
bruh, skied the woods there for years at night, head lamps and all, some of the best east coast powder days I ever skied, when buffalo/holiday get dumped on, they get some serious snow, never ran into ski patrol in all my time, probably figured no one would ski the woods deep in the night like what we were doing( its pitch black without proper head lamps/gear). Shout out to the Adirondacks, we do things different.
Facts
I'm so glad I'm old. When I was young enough to do things that angered the ski patrol, very few people were carrying cameras at all, and digital cameras, much less integrated digital cameras in cell phones everyone has on them at all times, were things of the distant future. This meant the ski patrol could only clip your ticket/pass if they actually caught you, and they usually would not follow me into the trees. Tree skiing is fun, and ski patrollers are (contrary to some people's opinion) not terrific rough terrain/ungroomed snow skiers.
Never got my ticket clipped once, even when a ski patrol duo saw me jump over the 'no jumping' sign at the compression bowl between Powder Bowl and Lucky Shot at Crystal Mountain, a favorite thing to do in my crowd. Me and my friends used to make fun of people who managed to get caught.
"you could get hurt out here at night" yet... Doesn't care that there isn't a sign to tell people
"We learned that this guy was still being trained but he was just being trained by a complete MORON" is priceless.
Always remember when you come across one of these fellas that this is the most power these guys ever have had or will have
If you want to close a run you have to rope or fence it off with signs stating that it is closed. You can’t have it wide open and assume people will know that a run it closed, ridiculous
"Come here"
" NO, I dont ski uphill, see you at the bottom"
After moving overseas, I see how much stupid regulation there is the the States, it is so frustrating, it is really nothing, but these people turn it into something stupid
I used to work for Vail Corp. After getting stopped once for "going to fast", which was 5 mph faster than the people around me I understood these guys were pretty much just acting out their dreams of having power over peoples lives. The next time one of them tried to stop me I just ignored him following me and talking to me and rode all the way to the parking lot, unstrapped, and walked away. He followed me for a good mile on foot while calling security but once I hit the main road and was off the property they finally stopped. The best moment was when security pulled up next to me and asked what was going on. I politely responded that I wasn't sure, but there was a man following me for quite some time and it was pretty weird of him. The looks on the two security guys faces was pure gold as they tried to figure out if I was a complete psychopath or just an asshole. Worked there for three years after that and ended up running an entire department. Good times.
An attorney’s take: This is exactly what you should do. They’re not cops, they have no legal authority to do anything but escort you off the property. They rely on intimidation and people’s ignorance of the law to get what they want.
Yup, exactly what I did, I claimed I couldn't hear him once I got to the bottom. Walked to the parking lot, made sure they didn't see what car I had and left. Your not getting my pass bud , better call the real cops if you want it.
@@Scientist_Salarian Ok counselor. What is the burden of proof that would be needed to take your pass? Preponderance? Reasonable suspicion? PC? Are you entitled to a hearing. Passes are expensive. They wouldn't be taking mine without irod clad proof that I deserved to have it taken. In this case, where was the trail closure marked? Did the skiers sign a document stating that they understood trees were closed at dusk? Even in some fake ski resort court, they keep their pass.
@@unleash_the_fury A season pass is a physical item which you legally purchased from the resort. It is your sole property under the law. No employee of the ownership company- security guard, GM, whoever- has the authority to seize your personal property. Even a law enforcement officer would need reasonable suspicion at a bare minimum, and since your pass isn’t a legally prohibited possession or stolen, they’d have a hard time legally justifying confiscating it from you.
Now, the service that is provided to pass holders is under control of the resort. Simply having a pass doesn’t necessarily entitle someone to service. *IF* the resort could learn who you were without taking your pass (i.e. scan it from outside your jacket or something), they could blacklist your pass in their system. At that point, you’d have to hire a lawyer to get it reversed. The burden of proof in civil court is far lower than in criminal court, so you’d have an uphill battle to fight for a denial of service claim. They’d simply say you were behaving badly, and they had reasonable evidence to suggest they know it was you. Honestly, it could go all sorts of different ways depending on which local, state, and federal jurisdiction you live in, and how much money you (and they) are willing to pour into the fight.
I hope that answers your questions a bit.
@@Scientist_Salarian pretty sure it states in the fine print that the pass is the property of the vail resort...not yours even if you bought it.
Refusing to give the pass would be a bad idea
They will just deactivate it online.
That guy is a massive tool. He shouldn’t be training the bark on a tree.
“You know any the woods are closed when it comes to be this dark at night” I don’t know about you but to me this looks like a cloudy day and I would’ve never guessed it was night.
It's funny how yellowjackets used to be called mountain host. Now they stand by the slow signs and yell at people.
Lol
Water safety on a lake I worked was the same. Used to be a reputable organization then the richest boat rental place took them over. They enforce their own authority on the lake harassing everyone meanwhile I had to call the county sheriff to get their party boat out of my mooring lines at the summer camp I ran the waterfront for. They were drinking and jumping off the boat at dusk. Local police wouldn’t respond because their boat patrol office was closed and said to call water safety, who are literally on that boat partying. Just one of a dozen stories like that, don’t even get me started on their tourist mail boat. Gage Marine on Lake Geneva.
You boys gotta run from them😂
lol, runs are too short... they would just meet us at the bottom
Na. They don't chase.
@@JaredRider At the bottom they would have just taken your passes however, so you had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Think with your noggin next time!
If they are going to take your pass, you might as well meet them at the bottom
@@graalcloud that wasnt me. Your thinking of someone else 🤣
flexing a tiny piece of power -- the true sign of a lack of character
So for clarification yellow coats are SAT, Safety Assistance Team. Red coats are ski patrol and blue coats are instructors. Black coats are general staff. This is the case at ‘most’ mountains. My local mountain the SAT are extremely power hungry. The ski patrollers other than a few are super relaxed. Yellow coats love to voice themselves. I’ve spent plenty of time running from yellow coats
Please note: Not all patrollers are this way :)
As a patroller, it is a shame to see other patrollers acting in such a way. Sorry you had this experience, if you’re ever in Montana, I’ll hook you up :)
Are u on big sky?
Montana’s full....go check out Idaho or Wyoming folks 🤙
@@n8594 so is Wyoming and Idaho go to Wisconsin
Never have issues with big sky ski patrol, and we’re all still safe. Imagine that
Big Sky is my fav place. No questions asked. The best skiing ever. Love going up the tram and hiking from headwaters. Going there late march-early April.
This really makes me appreciate smaller ski areas😂
do this ski hill even need ski patrol?? might as well have paramedics walking around on those rock hard 10 degree slopes 🤣
Best comment lol
To be fair this isn’t even the ski patrol. They are mountain hosts and seem incredibly incompetent. They have no medical crosses or equipment. But yeah they are big ass holes who don’t know their own hill
That's the part I don't understand. I have never gone skiing in the US but is the rule there that if the trail is closed you are not allowed to ski it?
In my country it's simple: if it's closed, proceed at your own risk. Unless they are setting off avalanches etc of course.
This is so weird.
@@the_bottomfragger Most ski area laws have ski patrol or the area being liable if you get injured so the area closes runs with high probability to injure and we try to limit liability by making sure you stay of closed runs. Also those aren’t close runs, but you described caution runs. That or you don’t know what closed means
Where do you come up with that crap ? A thirty second google search and : Under Colorado law, "a skier assumes the risk of any injury to person or property resulting from any of the inherent dangers and risks of skiing.” The New Mexico Ski Safety Act states that a skier “accepts as a matter of law the dangers inherent in that sport insofar as they are obvious and necessary.”
So depending on how many years you've been skiing there, that dictates whether or not they have to put up closure signs? Or it means that you're not allowed to ignore signs that aren't there? I'm so confused.
Hopefully HV is securing their areas before initiating confrontation and education. Thanks for the video, and for getting situations like this straightened out for skiers like myself.
Never give up your pass to these guys, just meet them at the bottom of the slope by the lift and ask for their manager or higher up. The guys out there actively patrolling are usually just seasonal hires and have 0 authority. I’ve actually went and set up a closed sign for them because they wanted to call me out for riding a closed trail, that had an entrance very much open lol. You handled this well, kudos
You want my season pass, come get it.
exactly
@Heady Fullmelt Yeah i would bolt out of there and drop it near a tree hidden, walk back up and grab it lmao
I love how this *** wagon tells you "what you know."
I've been skiing for years and years, and never have i gotten a Ski Patrol briefing on the bus.
Ski Patrol has an obligation to mark closed trails or runs, clearly and conspicuously.
Lmaaooo this same shit happened to me and my cousin about 2 years ago...by the same guy. It’s funny seeing Holliday Valley pop up on my feed.
seems like a real asshole
The trick at holiday valley is to NEVER stop for yellow jackets, just send it, they won’t chase
"He'll write chu up a warning" *Takes 5 minutes* as well as the mustache man repeating himself every second.
let me get this straight: the run is open during the day and they close it for night skiing. It's dusk - not night. They haven't closed the run yet. And the skiers are the ones getting into trouble?
What the heck is wrong with these ski patrollers? Unbelievable.
Dusk is the most dangerous time to ski. Since there are no shadows, the terrain undulations are difficult to see. Once the lights are on, that contrast is back again. In fact, I see best night skiing.
Iam from Austria, and i have been skiing/snowboarding my whole live but ive never seen something like skipatrol or safetypatrol didn't even know that existed. Skiing here is at your own risk if you manage to die its on you.
Europe rocks 🤘😎
The ski patrol in austria only comes when you call em up afaik. In france I know they pro-actively ski down slopes as well. I like the french system better but I like austrian resorts better though
@@Scott-dn1bk Canada has ski patrol but their not tools like the American ones. on banff you can ski Jerry's like a slalom course and they don't care
US is better because all of the off piste is avalanche controlled, unless there's clear warnings that tell you it's not. In Europe, that's impossible to do because there's glacier crevasses and other things besides avalanches. Europe wins though from the sense that people are scared to ride off piste so you can score a lot more powder. I think both systems are good
Skipatrol in Europe is to find and help anyone hurt or stragglers who have difficulty finding their way back out at the end of the day. We certainly do not have people like in this video. Plus, to be ski-patrol in Europe you need to be very fit and a very good skier.
The PD must've been full the day he joined Ski Patrol.
They arent even real ski patrollers... they're safety patrollers. Smh sorry they did that to you guyd
I call em yellow jackets. They are the bane of my existence.
Ever since Vail took over Whistler/ Blackcomb there have been asshole yellow jackets all over.
Didn’t buy a pass there this year moving on to other mountains.
Revelstoke and Kicking Horse here I come.
@@donziperk lol there’s been no change in patrol structure at WB since the Vail acquisition. Yellow jacket/volunteers just do speed control on the ski outs which is 100% needed cuz of shitty out of control gapers causing danger. There are no yellow jackets where you actually ski.
@@hobmarg I have never had any complaints with the ski patrol at W/B. Very professional.
I have been yelled at, lied about and generally find the yellow jackets to be a bunch of wanna be security guards. I don’t race through congested areas. I may be carrying more speed than the average skier but I’m 100% in control and always on my edges. I’ve been yelled at on ZIg Zag, Cruiser DM down hill at coaches corner Crab Apple, Olympic with nobody near me. if I come across congestion I slow and stay near the edges. I’ve skied Whistler since 1973 never been involved in any incident involving other skiers. On the other hand I see people going half the speed I am and are out of control but are not bothered at all. Speed isn’t dangerous but being out of control is.
I ski exact same way at SilverStar, Revelstoke and Golden and have never heard a thing.
One more thing the yellow jackets aren’t the only reason I left. Since Vail (Vial) resorts took over service and on mountain experience has changed for the worse. 10,000 signatures and counting on the Vail, Make Whistler Great Again petition speaks volumes.
@@donziperk I was going to dismiss you but if you have legit been skiing there since 73 I will respect your experience. I've only been skiing there since 98 but have never been yelled at, only had them motion at me a handful of times. I used to race so I know how to ski fast, but on ski outs I just go the speed of traffic and if you ski WB a lot you know where they are posted up (it's always the same spots) so you slow down before the pitches coming into those choke points. Or just park Creekside and never see them. Honestly they are needed because there are so many clueless gapers riding out of control, trying to hit side hits etc. and WB is an inverted triangle so everyone funnels onto the same 2 ski out runs.
Lame. Taking something as cool as skiing and making it authoritarian. I've never seen ski cops in BC. Sad
This is what a LOT of the resorts in the United States are like, kinda sucks
for real. been skiing for 15 years on the local BC mountains and never seen one "ski patrol" lol.
For real making a fun activity a strictly regulated one ...
Whistler's got em.
What's next, surf cops?
"We don't ski here, we would never find you."
and then...
"We ski here at night."
always keep going, if you get caught 'running' from them you have plausible deniability, say you didn't hear em
Doesn’t work like that, after they get all of saki patrol chasing you, there is bound to be 1 guy that pulls you
@@eatsomebread3907 Wow, it looks like you aren't in complete and totally wholeheartedly agreeing with me in every way.... You're a racist
@@eatsomebread3907 Then don't get caught...
As an attorney, this is actually very sound advice. Ski patrol aren’t law enforcement officers. They have absolutely no legal authority to detain you, nor lay hands on you or your property unless you commit a crime (in which case any average person can detain you under citizens’ arrest, not just ski patrol). The only thing they can legally do is escort you off the mountain. So, if you get stopped by ski patrol, tell them you’re going home, but do NOT surrender your pass. If they can’t identify you, they can’t prevent you from coming back a few minutes after you drive away.
@@Scientist_Salarian Yup, I keep my pass in my pocket. I get chased I just go to my truck and bail. Your not pulling my pass and your not laying a hand on me. One caught up with me once and like you said I just claimed I couldn't hear him. He just let me go cuz he wasn't a total douche like these guys.
I would never ski there again.
Easier said than done when it's the best in the area condition wise and lifts. Example, they are the only open resort around this area because of the amazing snow making capability they have with the computer run snow makers. Resorts 30 minutes from them aren't open and probably wont be for who knows how long.
@@kdunn4 Then I would find another hobby.
@@mountainadventures7346 lets be real here, no you would not
@@justasnowball I am being real. I would go snow check a sled. Buysnowshoes. Go ice fishing. Whatever. Who wants a hobby that involves Nazis that don’t follow their own rules? Never seen a ski patrol like that.
@@mountainadventures7346 You clearly doesnt know what its like being passionate about something. I wouldnt give up skiing for anything!
As a 15 year Pro patroller from eastern calif. these two so called patrollers were totally out of line. No closed sign no violation. As far as 5mm attorney , there are laws about being in a closed area, Penial code violations. And the skiers in this video were not in violation of any thing. PS read the back of your pass or ticket, It's your responibility
Moral of the story, keep going and dont answer their questions
It’s how I get away with skating
Can’t get punished for running when they don’t know who you are
It's these days I didn't buy a pass. I hiked the mountain.
Pretty much theyre patrollers they cant do anything
As an attorney, this is actually very sound advice. Unless you commit a crime, they have no legal authority to do anything but escort you off the mountain. And if they don’t know who you are, they can’t prevent you from coming back a few minutes later. NEVER surrender your pass to ski patrol, no matter how much they try to intimidate you. Just tell them you’re going home and ski to the parking lot.
I got a season pass here. Yellow jackets are the absolute worst I’ve had plenty of shitty experiences with them. I ski through the woods at night anyways you just gotta ski faster than them and go straight to yodeler instead of stopping at the tannenbaum lift
as a black man with sand in his hand. they should be held accountable and have the ability to count things that matter.
Ive skied the woods at holiday for several years and never got told that the woods were closed at night until I saw this video lmfao.... we always went in with head lamps, some of the best east coast powder days i've ever skied, guess they figured no one knew how to navigate the woods proper at night lol, Adirondacks taught me well!
Wow what a bunch of bs. Do your job and put up “trail closed” sign.
Where is this place so I don’t go there
Holiday valley, Ellicottville NY USA
@@Bocsaphoto ya. F that place.
@@Bocsaphoto it’s on the east coast shitty skiing anyways.
@Jacob Gebo There is plenty of real, gnarly skiing in the east...just not at this place.
@@jacobgebo2061 there’s tons of sweet places to ski in the East just not this place
Europe is entirely different. Never had any problems with ski patrol. They basically let you ski where you want to at your own risk. Unless they’re setting off avalanches, they let you go wherever you want. You ignore any warning signs it’s your own fault. Off piste just means that it’s not groomed. Not that it’s out of bounds.
They handled that remarkably well staying calm and respectful and taking up the issue later on
Ski patrol probably was just fussy because his diaper hadn’t been changed all day
After a few of these videos from different mountains, I've learned to never stop for yellow jackets as they are not patrol but safety jackoffs with an axe to grind.
I‘m so glad we don’t have ski patrol where i live
Same i live in switzerland.
@@Lukas-kd9oq yo me tooo
@@obifreerunning7181 yoo nice where do you go skiing? I go to Engelberg, Laax, Melchseefrutt and Belalp👍
@@Lukas-kd9oq engelberg klewenalp and corviglia
@@Lukas-kd9oq laax beschde
I would have maybe been a bit more assertive with them, as politely as possible. I would've said right away "Look, guys - I really think this is unfair. The entrance to the run is open. There's no sign telling us the run is closed! How do we know it's closed?? We're not alone - two people just did the same thing we did."
Respect to you guys for keeping your cool and being more reasonable than they deserved.
This is what Patrollers were like in the 80's. These days patrollers tend to be really chill and just want to help keep you safe and have fun.
Because a lot of them are like us and want everyone to enjoy their ride and pass it on to the generations below us and so on. Ski patrol like this encourage first timers to never come back. That’s not only bad for business but it’s a shitty attitude to have. It reminds me of the rich entitled skiers who think the resort of only for the rich and entitled. This clearly isn’t a safety issue at all, they probably thought these kids were doing something they shouldn’t and didn’t catch them doing anything so they just assumed they were. After working at a resort for a few years (not patrol) I’d have said “let’s go to the bottom and talk to your manager and explain the situation, there’s no signs or ropes the run is closed and it’s not fair to take our passes and cut a corner because we didn’t know an open run was now closed when it’s not yet dark” guaranteed if you offered to meet them at the bottom with a manager where these discussions should be had in the first place these kids would have been told to make sure a runs open and that’s that. Verbal warning because the run wasn’t roped off. The real bitching would probably have been patrol for not doing their jobs. If a runs closed you actually have to close it first.
These guys are from the 80s lol
As a former ski paroller at three different resorts in BC, this was obvious a power grab. These men are no even patrollers. As a patrol I would of said " hey you were kinda cutting it close to skiing in the dark", maybe next time avoid these runs at this time to avoid any confusion. Ill tell you what Ill ski down to the bottom with you guys to make sure you get threw safe. And next time err on the side of caution and avoid this run this close to dark.
😂😂😂 Me as a European guy. We ski in the Austrian Alps / Swiss Alps at places that are ACTUALLY dangerous. Places that go steeply downhill with potental rocks, trees, avalanches or a combination. Often over a kilometer away from the ski slopes and ski lifts. And guess what? No one cares. What if something happens? Well... Its part of the deal... Do accidents never happen then without "Ski patrol" Hero's who pull people's passes? Yes it happens sometimes. And we do have ski patrol but their job in europe is to help people who need help or bring people to safety.
Europe gets it😪
Europe at least there's decent cell phone coverage anywhere on the mountain even if you're climing Mont Blanc lol. Here in the US at my home resort you got nadda until last year they finally put up a tower lol
(I worked ski and ride school for 6 years and hold certifications in New Zealand and the Rockie mountians) Simple fact. Ski patrol does not have the legal authority to detain you, or demand your information. You can ignore them, remain silent, and leave their patroll area. I keep my pass in an RFID pouch these days, so they can't scan for identification without my consent... This has saved me twice in the past 8 years from dumb patroll or lift operators who think they have some kind authority they do not.
Thanks for letting me know!
That dosent fly in California. I worked 25 seasons 8 as a patroller. If you go in a closed area you will lose your pass. If you dont give it up you will not be taking the lifts to the parking lot or anywhere else. Most areas are closed for damn good reasons. Why should a patroller need to risk thier life rescuing a moron that went out of bounds?
@@jeffatkinson3288 why didn’t the ski patrol do there job and put the sign up? Clearly the ski patrol is in the ring here
You both handled it VERY well! Well done, gentlemen
Never ever stop for ski patrol. Just keep going, those clowns can’t keep up anyway.
Those guys were mountain safety , not ski patrol. Pretty bogus! If the trails are closed THEY need to post them as such.
Yep no First Aid packs.
Remember..."I do not answer questions". Glad you kept your cool.
Should have walked him back to the opening and explained to him how someone that DOESNT know not to go there, will go there.
Hey. Former SJCI Ski Bus Alum here and member of the National Ski Patrol, so this was a cool video to come up in my feed today. To be clear, that was the HV Mountain Host Safety Team that pulled your pass, not HV's Ski Patrol.
The Mountain Host Safety Team wears yellow jackets and badges that say "Safety Team" which is clearly visible at the 1:56 mark of your footage. They focus mainly assisting customers and enforcing management rules at the area. In fairness, based on what I saw and my experience, this interaction was perhaps overaggressive, and probably why management, when reviewing the footage gave your passes back.
HV's National Ski Patrol members wear red parkas with white crosses, each with over a year of initial training and then trains annually every year after. Our focus is stabilizing and transporting skiers/riders when they might get injured. It's a whole other level of commitment for sure. It's that commitment and pride that drew me to comment today to clarify with you the title and captions found in the video reflecting "ski patrol" are simply not accurate.
Do Ski Patrollers get overzealous from time to time? Sure.
Are those bad experiences with Ski Patrollers captured by customers on video and posted on youtube and insta? For sure.
Is that what happened here with you? No.
Sure, but odds are they're still in the ski patrol department. If they're acting this way it's because of bad leadership in the ski patrol department.
@@mcmahon1130 Please know I do not have any affiliation to Holiday Valley, the patrol or the safety team. I do know though it's not how the it works there.
@@appletim2 I think that's unlikely, but I'll take your word for it.
“SKI PATROL PULLS OUR PASSES!”
*gets pass back in 2 days*
I got yelled at for literally the exact same thing. Took that exact entrance too. Never got my pass taken away tho
Like the double honey badger set up 👏🏻👏🏻
Ski patrol I've come across in Europe are all chill people who ski. These US videos make the US patrollers look like a bunch of grumpy old men lol
Its so fascinatingly funny for us Europeans to watch these kind of videos, and you guys taking this all serious like in the movies :)
Purpose of the ski patrol here is exclusively search and rescue, and I really don't know what you need to do to get you ski pass revoked (probably something that would merit police getting involved or something serious like that).
have to say, this is definitely atypical. This resort sucks most are not like that at all
@@LandonFox I honestly thought this "ski patrol" stuff is something from movies, and not actually a real thing. And the guys are so compliant, like this is a serious situation, everybody is handling it professionally, its crazy :) If ski patrol in Europe stopped somebody and tried to hassle them like this, they would probably just get laughed at and ignored (not ignored in terms of following safety guidlines, but definitelly ignored in terms of giving your skipass for inspection).
@@dvukovic haha that is funny. Europe sounds like a better place to ski for more reason than one
@@LandonFox It's more relaxed, thats for sure!
I’d take them to small claims court if my pass was revoked.
Couple old men with a complex! And not ragging old dude. I'm an old dude! Lol
I don't know what it is about it but ski slopes can turn grown people into the most petty sniveling children.
My god..I skied there when I was a kid. I live in Whistler now and was a ski patroller here for 15 years. Thank God I never ran into these two ass hats, I would never become a patroller.
You guys were super calm, good job, I would have told them to pound sand. Put a sign up if it's closed.
Ski patrol seem very untrained here at this resort..
I commend you for your behavior with the ski patrol, that is how anyone who gets in "trouble" should behave themselves, especially when you are in the right.
I would have told the guy on the left to f' off, regardless of how long you've skied there. No "closed sign" means it's ok to ski there, put the sign up, I won't go there. I'd have gotten their names and immediately gone to speak with resort GM
You actually handled this very well. The guy was being a total dick and you kept your cool and apologized and were compliant with everything. I'm glad you got your passes back.
Thats the wrong thing to do.
@@jimmydean239 it's not
@@jimmydean239Nope, they had a video showing they broke no rules so easily the best thing to do. If they had acted like jerks that would have been on video also, but because they acted so respectfully, it just makes the patrol look like tyrants. If their passes had been revoked any judge would have sided with them which also means any half competent manager would side with them also.
I'm not a skier but I am an avid hiker. Even I know the yellow jackets didn't do their job properly. If they wanted a trail closed they needed to mark it or barricade it with SOMETHING. That way there's at least SOME indication that people aren't allowed in that area. Even if it's a sign for the trailhead saying "Happy Trail closed from 4pm to 8am skiing beyond this point after 4pm will result in having your season pass temporarily revoked"
Don't get these jobsworth in the Alps. US is proper nanny state. Always wanted to ski in US but this puts me off. Big time.
it’s not like this is many places
@@susieasado6675 I would say, that going to the manager, after they took their passes based on a completely nonsensical argument, was a totally okay choice. The ski patrol handled the situation very poorly.
Why not just ski away from these guys. Just keep skiing and at the bottom say “I didn’t hear you” 🤷♂️
Been doing exactly that here for years. They don't chase.
With new blue tooth beats pro.. etc.. you can't. You can be just straight up jamming and you aren't gonna hear some dude yelling.
I would have your ski club pick a different resort then write the GM and tell them why - YOu deserve an apology for the patrollers incompetence in NOT Posting signage. If it was dangerous it should have been cordoned off!
Wow big credit to you guys for keeping your cool! I definitely would not have been that calm or compliant, although I think it was best in the situation given how much of a hardass he was
This same thing happened to me at park city. No closed sign- took my pass - made me go to some stupid class. Ive been told there doing this to tally up proof they are flagging lots of "out of control " or whatever riders to show and cover for lawsuits.
I have been to park city to. At that mountain I had some ski patrol bitch me out.
I've been a Ski Patroller for almost 30 years. Anyone who responded as courteous as y'all did would have only received a verbal warning from me. I'd let you return to the open trail and go on your way. This would also tell me the trail closed sign location was inadequate and more needed to be done by the patrol to demonstrate a closed area. I also don't waste my time with the really lippy and send them off to management.
I would have stuck to the “if its not posted closed its open.” I literally never learn ski run names
Should have just given you guys a simple warning and let you go your way. Totally uncalled for but you took it well.
it's hilarious to me that the us is such a police state that they even have some wannabe police on their ski slopes, absolutely mental
This is so strange. The main ski resort I go to is sunshine by banff and I absolutely love the patrol and lifties. They are the nicest people ever, the lifties are usually Australian and super friendly. The patrol is really informative about when certain runs open up and the conditions on them. My buddy one time was asking about this one chute that's crazy hard and they actually asked if they could film it because nobody does it.
Yeah same at Whistler. I saw a few years ago the hottest blonde chick ever 15 feet up in a tree removing christmas lights without any safety equipment lol. Aussies are badass
I like how someone went in the tress behind them
The ski patrol problem is an American made problem not by starting ski patrol but by every one suing for the dumbest things and getting away with them.
American society is the problem here.
Those guys suck. Even though they weren’t on a total power trip. You handled this so well, very mature and upstanding. Well done.
Same dudes pulled me over after the woods section on Marti gras. Same reason and situation
Wow, ive never been stopped in the marti gras woods. Holiday valley should retrain these dummies
@@JaredRider post this video on their FB page
@@MeltingRubberZ28
Seriously should!