What Really Happened With Keystone Mountain Safety!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ม.ค. 2020
- This has so much unseen footage from my encounter with the Keystone Mountain safety. In this video, I break down not only that we listened to mountain safety but that they lied about our actions in order to make us take a safety class. The safety class is a big deal because keystone can pull our pass if we get stopped again for 2 weeks, the whole season, and even the next season! I would like to get this black mark taken off of our season passes and a public apology because keystone's vail resorts employees lied about us. Sadly I am sure this was not the first time this happened.
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Have you considered emailing your footage to some department heads of vail resorts? This makes me super upset and I wasn’t involved you were very patient and respectful. I would have handled this very differently. This makes me never want to ride keystone. No one wants a tainted pass for no reason.
Vail Sucks
Please show them the video and get them to apologize in writing remove the black mark and suspend all of them involved , I will share the vid ,and please do a update
Tag them on social media....clearly these guys aren’t trained
“One of you flipped us off” lmao they’re all wearing mittens
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Golden
Yeah dude, don’t you know they flipped them on with ALL 5 FINGERS. Like damn the nerve of some people.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Apparently they have new X-ray goggles now so they can see you flip them off.
WOW. Like this comment if you think Vail resorts needs to apologize and remove the black mark from Johnathon’s pass as well as the other riders.
Chris Struck just like the video in that case...
They should give them a free pass next year.
it’s keystone
zach rice Keystone is owned by vail 🤙🏼
keystone took my season pass i mean the pass was my sisters but still
7 year ski patroller here. You guys were fine, you showed more regard than most I see on the hill. Wouldn't have stopped you or even gotten an itch to investigate.
This is the kind of staff attitude that make the hills a great place. Those Mountain Safety were totally out of their place, and seemed to have too much of a need for power over other riders.
I don't have any ski experience. Just customer experience design experience and I saw nothing wrong. However, from a customer service standpoint I saw a lot wrong with the safety professionals approach.
Yea I just dont stop and go sit in the trees how r u gonna be able to enforce that when there are so many shitters on the run and like 90% of the ski patrol is worse then me
9 years slalom ski racer even for the Romania team in France for an FIS Certified younth competition.
1st. they did nothing wrong, the pace was faster than other people on the slope
2nd. they did not put anyone in danger
3rd. the difference between us and European ski resorts, our ski patrol is more medical part and rescue than slope police that they come and pull you over.
Yeah well you're ski patrol, not a yellow jacket... not surprised this is your take.
Never turn your camera off in the presence of authority. It’s the only protection you have.
Wow if this is “bombing” then my local resort must be the Wild West 😂
Same here
my resort is not a resort it is a hill
Ya seriously no one gives a crap at mine like we bomb greens all the time
dude try going to Bear Mtn in Souther CA. its about 85 percent snowboarders and it can be crazy on some parts..people jumping and flying all around you...crowded in the park..LOL
Fr fr
This might be the smallest amount of power ever to get to someone’s head
CWJ Ozanne nah, receptionist at the door of my high school had the job of issuing late slips which can cause detentions and she was relentless. You had to be in the school before the bell and there was a door to the lobby and a door to the hallway in the school. I got a late slip because the bell rang as I was walking through the lobby to the other door and also once got one when the bell rang while I was holding the door for someone.
🤣
@@methuselahhoneysuckle9575 😂😂
I would also say night club/ pub security guards also pretty damn willing to go too far (obv. not all of them, but I had a couple bad experiences with them, even when I did'nt even do anything)
Facccccts
The initial guy that ultimately stopped you was one that never saw you. He was lower on the run. He identified you by one of you having a selfi stick (said when he first saw you). Like a dozen other groups of riders. They called out the wrong group and if they ever realized it were too deep in to back out.
That plus the fact that they're all wearing mittens and the woman said they were flipping people off. I think it was a different group of boarders with a selfie stick and they grabbed the wrong guys.
@@steviejoe66 omg youre right, they have mittens on lmao
@@steviejoe66 LOLL ok that's quite funny
no they didnt, they rightfully saw this prick speeding through a beginner area. He keeps lying saying hes going "slow" when all the beginners are obviously WAY SLOWER. Are you blind ?
@@MElixirDNB you just like to argue dont you
You were totally respectful and 100% in the right. I'm not just saying that. These guys let what little power they have in their lives go straight to their heads. They'll do this to the wrong people one day and get jacked up in the parking lot. Awesome job keeping your cool and staying professional. RESPECT!!
On the East Coast you can blow past ski patrol doing 80mph and they will give you a high five at the bottom
That’s so true
I literally couldn't imagine an East coast ski patrol stopping someone for going too fast ... I think they'd be told to fuck themselves
@@barakbacharach9491 that’s true. You can’t enjoy going slow on ice
hahaha literally they were about to close a lift the other day and I flew down and cut in front of them last second and they just told be good job.
@@kkelly2741 Ya Okemo said if i can make it from the top to bottom of one of the Jackson gore Bubble lift in less than a minute they’d give me last chair.
you looked at him like he was a jackass, because you can express so many emotions with masks and goggles
Hahahaha yep 🤣😂
@UC_i8SQjQOrPUpD3tpjMEuAw yeah just like how you can flip someone off with mits
@@ivyper_7334 HAHA TRUE IT SOO EASY 😝😝
@@ivyper_7334 bro I kicked a ski patrol guy with my legs strapped down
Yes his mouth was clearly in that "you are a jackass" position
Very rude
Don’t ever stop for these people. Ride to the parking lot, get in your car and drive away.
5:40 he had the right idea 😆
@@llewodcm20he wasn’t with them
I'll take note😆
Oh my! I saw people passing you and your friends like crazy. You "flipped them off" in mittens and "looked at him like he was a jackass" while wearing tinted snow goggles. Y'all are MULTI-TALENTED. LOL
Skills 😂😂
this is like the planet fitness of ski resorts
Bahahaha. It is, I've been there and they are way 100x more strict than the second most strict hill.
Lmfao
Except there is judgement
Lol... get that snowboarder one had a selfie stick!, you guys are in super bad trouble! Though no one ever approached you the ten times you stopped on the hill...
I got into trouble for doing one handed pushups at planet fitness
the whole "flipped them off" thing is funny bc they're all wearing mittens
That's the wonderful thing about mittens haha
LMAO
and looks at him like he was a jackass in full head gear goggs, what's that look like exactly? maybe because the guy knows hes a jackass, but truth is they didn't look AT HIM AT ALL, HE WAS WAY BEHIND THEM...DOUCHEBAGGERY AT IT'S FINEST, GUYS NUTS
Maybe they were actually waiving and not flipping him off ... That’s called giving the customer the benefit of the doubt .
im weak
Thank you for this interaction! Truly hope this video made some changes in staff. Folks are power hungry and need to keep their eyes on the real safety issues on the mountain.
I've been snow boarding twice and can say that the biggest issue is the mountain patrol or safety patrol stopping people in the middle of the run to talk to them about speed or what ever. The two times I went boarding I almost wiped out because of people stopping others to "chat"
that just shows you are going way too fast around a bunch of ppl to begin with, the ppl below you always have the right of way, did you miss that rule ?
Honestly going slow or being stopped on the run is more dangerous than going how fast they were
The problem is when people stop to chat in blind spots.@@MElixirDNB
In France we don’t have any of those “safety” guys. You can just MOB down the mountain 🎿
We sure don't, and it might seem like that is a good thing but I know a ski instructor who was ploughed in to by a Belgian tourist and it was appalling how little help she got from the resort. There is no structure in place to even get the person's details or even hold them accountable. The instructor is in her 50s and will not be returning to her job. So maybe there is a middle ground where you can still enjoy the thrill of skiing fast while making sure people stay safe.
Heck im in the US and we have safety peeps but they don't stop anyone.
Same here in Michigan
@Philip Papaila OR you shouldn't mob a hill if you are so shit at "riding" that you can't stop yourself from ploughing into people. I grew up skiing and ski as fast as I want to and yet I have never crippled anyone.
@notformebeaky I did not say it was the solution and I did not say one should go slow. Collision happen when people ski faster than they are able to whatever speed that might be.
Thanks for the warning. Never going to Keystone
Or just get a day pass and bomb all the hills
@@itsjustpaul1121 good idea
It’s a nice places they just were scared about the safety of others because a lot of people are not from Colorado and can’t ski well
Boarding rado is the first problem 😆
@@Cmonster-hr6tq ok so you give them a warning and thats it, if they do it again then mark their pass and make them take a class
I work at Keystone (started last year), and I can safely say that I haven't met any fellow employees like these guys in the video. All my coworkers are so nice and chill vibes all around. I hope that continues, and this incident is insanely ridiculous.
My friend who’s parents have both been ski patrollers has always said that if a mountain safety yells at you, don’t take it seriously but if a ski patroller yells at you, you messed up.
this isn't gonna look good vail
SWITCHFliP Exactly what I was thinking
I'll stick to Austria, where I don't think there is even a safety patrol, and if so they don't give a shit about your speed as long as you are in control.
@@soccergirlae Right? I absolutely NUKE my local hills and have only been stopped once or twice.
@@soccergirlae yeh I've just commented on that same thing, there is mountain patrol in Europe but they are more there to rescue injured people not act like power hungry safety Nazi's like these three mugs. I have to say, seeing that kind of strict approach would take all the enjoyment out of riding and definitely puts me off wanting to ride in the States
yeeeeep, dont know exactly how they were "bombing" the guy didnt need to be so aggressive too lol
if the speed limit is the slowest skier isn't everyone blowing past the speed limit?
That blew my mind. Wtf kind of logic is that?
Isnt everyone who's going, going too fast?
@@indiana6941 if you look in the background the little girls go faster then them a few times in the video 😂
Should revoke EVERYONE'S passes.
Cause the slowest skier is one standing in a lift line
I used to ski _Keystone Resort_ back in the 1990's! This was a safety patrol power trip! Immediately asking for your passes kills the conversation, so that you can't tell your side of the story and defend yourself. The girl safety patrol immediately starts playing the victim by saying one of you "flipped her off" and that you all were "yelling" at her. That's ridiculous! I would've been furious! I think they just wanted to make an example of you guys, or they targeted the wrong snowboarders. I used to ski _Keystone Resort_ when _Whistle Punk_ (black diamond) still existed! It was a very narrow, steep trail, which was sadly removed, because too many people got hurt hitting the trees, I think. This was back in the 1990's! I guess you can't "bomb" _Schoolmarm,_ these days. That's sad! Great channel! I like it! You all were just fine! You are great snowboarders! 👍
Thank you so much for your thoughts and history 🙏🏼 I was born in 1991 so it’s cool to hear about it back in the day!
Sure thing! I didn't think you'd see my comment, since there are so many. I remember when I used to straight-line _Silverthorne_ at _Breckenridge._ I started when I was only 7 years old. Those were such fun times! I recognize so much, but it's also grown a lot, too! It's been over 2 decades, since I've been skiing, and I hope to return to Colorado again, someday, I hope . . . Keep on shredding, buddy! You're an excellent snowboarder! I enjoy your quality videos and awesome skills! Keep it up! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! 🏂🎿🎄👍
You were respectful and pushed back respectfully nicely done
Is anyone else annoyed with people who use the “rough-and-tough” act until they get called out, and then they say, “It was actually my boss...”?
It drives me up the wall.
Work the wall work the floor then work the wall some more.
The Lawn Pastor most annoying thing ever
Email keystone and Vail ski patrol! Make them fix this. It's the consumers who put them in check
Same
"I know my rights as a rider, and I know my rights as a military member"
Thats the most American flex I've ever heard 😂
Hell yeah brother
yea... we'll take this to J.A.G..... tool
Any real military member would never say that, either this guys a recruit or just a tosser
that's what i was thinking too when i heard it xD
I hate that when people mention they were or are in the military when its completely unrelated to the subject. I wont take you anymore serious or respect you any more because of that.
great video explaining everything in depth, im glad how you guys handled the situation bc you are right it was very unfair with what the ski safety did
Yall were incredibly patient with them.
To patient 😅
the people sitting in the run should have to take a safety class!
JESUS FREAK lmao true i hate when people do that shit, or like when people do a slow ass turn across the entire run and u cant get in front
TRUE!
I hate it when people stop in the middle of the run to take phone calls the most
Exactly this is crazy... people cutting across the run, sitting below a knuckle, using the whole run, riding a run above their skill level...no warning, good riders can’t even cruise that run without a warning its ridiculous.. it’s crazy how 1 or 2 rules in the skiers code are the only ones that get enforced and they don’t protect experienced riders
@@pureluck6485 does not matter! it is written into the ski code of every mt. I know of. Beginner area or not. Sitting in the run is one of the most dangerous things any skier / boarder, can do on any part of the mt.
“One of them flipped us off,”
How?! As far as I could tell, they were all wearing mittens!
That's already been said bruv.
They were gloves. So technically they could.
@@adinp9384 it’s all on video tho
@@nottrevorrr O get that, but those weren’t mittens. So IF they were to flip someone off, they could have. The video showed nothing though.
Mittens? Well that's what they do, they're closeted flippers. And as a result mittens should be banned for now on.
Good grief.
So I realize this video is 3 years old, I'm just getting into snowboarding and found your channel looking for noobie tips. Was there ever any follow up to this, black mark removed or an apology? I had my first day at Keystone and while it did not go well, I had planned to return and try again
They went for the passes right from the start; attempting to make their stop a valid one. Nothing you can do or say to get out of this injustice. Bad laws make outlaws out of good people.
This is how they treat paying customers, won’t be going there ever
same here never again
Same
on top of the ridiculous prices lol
What about the other riders that are really speeding.
One run at the whole place that they ask you not to speed past little kids is not ridiculous
*flipping us off*
I’m wearing mittens bro
I thought this exactly, it looked like all of them had mittens on lmao
@Nyst while riding down a hilll in freezing conditions how small is your brain lmfaoo
Nyst your dumb, who would take the time to take they’re mittens in a short period of time just to flip a ski safety employee off. Think
Lol I thought about that too lol
@Long Nards lol even if they did look at him like a "jackass." (However one would quantify that.) Its still not a good enough reason for stopping them. Very clearly putting their emotions in the mix here.
P.S. Could you imagine going to any other establishment in the hospitality industries and having the word JACKASS thrown in mid conversation by an employee, regardless of whether it was directed at you. SUPER unprofessional.
I’m planning my trip to CO and Keystone is definitely off my list. That would definitely ruin my day at a new resort.
😂
🚫Keystone🚫….. I’ll never snowboard with my wife there because of this interaction. Thank you guys for your professionalism on the mountain 🏔️ 🙏🏼👍🏼👍🏼. They (KEYSTONE) were WAY out of line!!!!!!!!!!
I've been skiing my whole life. Never knew this was a thing. Speed limits in ski resort? Wtf
Lol the slow down signs are irrelevant basically where I ski lmao there are the kids riding 2 mph and then there are the teens just sending it down the mountain
speed limits are enforced if you are going out of control
Er du norsk? Because in norway no one cares.
I knew speed limits were a thing, but I thought you just got a ticket or fine. Not having to take a class
Same
Keystone turned off comments on their Instagram 😂
epicspacevids I dm them lmaooo
They've only turned it off for their last 6 photos. You can still blow them up on anything older than those first 6 right now at the time of me posting this.
Their Facebook is still wide open and the most recent posts are taking a beating as we speak!
Their comments section for a few pictures back is still open, post away...
#freebuckhouse
There is actualy a Video of Buckhouse on their Keystone Insta page with comments turned on!
Now I know; When they yell at you, just don't stop. Respecting them won't earn me a thing. Just blow past and don't look back.
Been skiing for years, only ever had a handful of encounters with ski patrol. Usually if I do have an encounter with them I try to keep it friendly & he understanding of what they are explaining to me…if I find the conversation isn’t going anywhere with them and they are just out to pull my pass I simply just leave, go to the car grab another jacket & get back to what I was doing, that or call it a day.
I will next time!
Rip that girl she looks like she wishes she picked any of the other minimum wage jobs on the mountain
🤣😂🤣
Lol i felt bad
McDonald's starting pay is 4 dollars better than Keystones starting pay 😂
When you are incapable of being a cop, you become a peace officer, when you are incapable of that, you become a security guard, when you are incapable of that, you become a keystone yellow coat
What if i am a cop, but i don't want to beat my wife?
Then i have to choose another security typ job, too
Lol
Bullfreg oof
You do know cops are peace officers.
@@jeremylindquist9702 to be honest I'm not sure. I do know that they cannot lay a criminal charge where I am from. As far as I know, their sole role in law enforcement is bylaws and traffic. They most definitely do not have the same level of authority as municipal police or RCMP. Just a joke anyway
I snowboarded for the first time this year and was taken out by several skiers. I was yelled at for not getting on a lift in time and they basically pushed me onto another lift. A teacher from my school got a lift to the head because of these safety people. In my opinion, you and your mates did nothing wrong (not to say mine is totally correct considering I am only a beginner), some of the safety people think they have all mighty power over us because 'they know more than we do".
We got clocked in t-shirts at 73-75 mph a few years before the yellow jackets began. Right there. They’re way overdoing the safety thing. And from what I saw, they usually get the wrong people.
The chick on her phone the whole time says it all, really.
“I’m not saying spam their Instagram I don’t think that’s okay”
Alright boys, you know what to do
They have comments turned off on their instagram now.
Sean Ozz only the 6 most recent pics. So you can comment on all of the older ones 😁
It was already too late when he said “don’t spam their Instagram”... I already did 😂😂😅
Facebook comments still on, Google Reviews still on
Ya boys
Hey Keystone, you need to pay for these guys’ passes the next 5 years! And apologize!!
danng I was thinking this too 😅
They need to reimburse Johnny $3,500-$4,000 worth of passes because he had to take an hour long safety class?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves...
Jacob Murphy reimbursing $4,000 to make the situation right could save the potential tens of thousands of dollars this video will lose them
Everybody needs to email keystone!
yes! minimally
Power trip. Sad life for that old fella. Well done Johnathan for how you guys handled it.
glad i saw this. looks like we’ll be planning a trip to a different resort .
If my local mountains treated me like a criminal I wouldn't ski there.
Imagine what these mountains do during a worldwide pandemic. Spoiler: force the town to allow everyone from everywhere in the world to enjoy skiing as long as they where a mask. Sure. I totally want that risk.
@@hoochiecoochieman4530 it's not that bad I went 2 times to the same ski resort and no signs of covid.
Wimp
If that's bombing a green run that I'm pretty sure I must be doing something called lightspeeding a green run because I don't think that it's even possible to ride any slower.
my legs were cramping just watching how slow they were going. lol
Lol
I only have been to snow summit, I bomb the fuck out of summit run...
You were going Very very slow it's ridiculous they were saying you going too fast and besides You have video proof it's dumb
I snowboard on a literal trash hill… this is the first I’m hearing of these rules I think I’ll stay where I am lol
🤣😂
Thanks for posting this. taking Keystone off my list. I dont go up very often so im not looking for these kinds of interactions. you were clearly riding safely and aware of your surroundings. the way they accused you of all these things, and then back peddling saying it was called in from above shows some unfortunate unprofessionalism. also, mountain safety should have their eyes on the mountain. not in their phone. if they are communicating with other mountain employees it should be on a radio. zero reason for her to be derelicting her job and being on her phone. gross.
as a patrol member this is not ok at all!! this gives us a bad wrap.
I am european and we haven't got ski patrol, but I apreciate your comment mate.
Everything about this is okay. Figures of authority need to be held accountable in times like this in hopes that others won’t be treated like these riders were in this situation. The video says it all, and I hope Vail does the right thing for these guys.
@@MattWelch1092 I think you misunderstood...what the patrol did was out of line not the riders actions
@@MattWelch1092 you must be one of them
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This interaction kept me from booking a trip to Keystone. Ridiculous power trips from ski patrol is always a massive red flag.
Yeah it’s a bad vibe there!
Not ski patrol. Thats mountain safety. BIG difference
Same here!
Same here- I passed on this mountain after watching this video. No interest in dealing with stuff like that while paying crazy money to ski.
You can say that again! I went to Copper instead of Keystone when I saw this!
"snowboarders, one had a selfie stick" confirmed all my suspicion immediately 😂
in all honestly many snowboraders at your level tend to not care about others on the slope, But you guys seemed to be going at a normal speed and were very aware.
Ok let’s be honest, we have all zoomed down a mountain without turning and nobody told us anything
As a former Vail employee let me say: welcome to Vail Resorts, ruining mountains to appease the first time skier.
I don't think there's a single Vail resort that has more than 5% of its mountain as a slow zone. Experts have 95+% of the mountain to go however fast they want...
You sound like Kim Kardashian complaining because she doesn't have enough money...
@@jacobmurphy7333 That response speaks volumes about how little you understand about Vail and how prone to extreme over exaggeration you are
@@PoleToPoleTravel care to give a substantive answer rather than just deflect?
@@jacobmurphy7333 You mean with your response that included two opinionated, off the top of the head percentages when you probably have limited experience from Vail Resorts owned properties?
Go see what they're doing at Borreal while adding features for people that love riding versus the stripping of parks and features at Heavenly and Northstar in the last decade. Vail is trying to be more friendly to the the twice-a-season vistors while making the mountain more plain for the people that are in love with being on that mountain. Mountains are meant for those wanting to be on em.
@@PoleToPoleTravel I actually work for Vail. I know that all of the Vail owned Colorado resorts all have less than 5% except for beaver creek which I am not sure if it is more.
The entire other part of your comment was just ranting about things that were unrelated.
I'm over here like "man idk if I wanna go to keystone on Friday for opening if it's gonna be like that." Knowing damn well I've only been snowboarding 3 times in my life and wouldn't be eligible for a speed warning if I tried. 😂
🤣😂🤣😂
Thanks for this. Was planning on going to Keystone next year but I will stay away.
Vail resorts have dumb rules
Keystone has the worst yellow jackets out there.
True
“Hey we’re gonna have a chat.... give me your passes” ok good talk I guess? Wow I was really excited to go to keystone in February, now the vibes are sketch...
I've seen hundreds of comments and reviews about Keystone. I wouldn't go.
"Land of the free" XD
Here in Europe I have never seen anything like this happen.
Was there any update on this?
How do you give someone the finger when you are wearing mits/ ninja turtles?
@@slushyshredder666 thumbs up ?
@@slushyshredder666 Thumbs up ofc
My friends and I have these gloves from the company 10peaks that have easy zipper access to your hands, they’re worth it simply for how easy it is to flip people off with them
Safety Girl: you flipped us of on the way down.
Skiiers: We have a camera I’ll show the footage.
Safety Girl: 😶...
They also had mittens
She: well actually we dont ecen work here
so what really happened was that the safety people had their feelings hurt by a supposed gesture that may or may not have happened? does the safety course cost money? how long does it go for? You're aware that you have no comeback against officialdom.
plus they where wearing mittens
A bit crazy for Schoolmarm...the "Hey, excuse me, could you please slow down?" is all the giant yellow signs that say SLOW
But we were going “slow”
Essentially getting kicked out for being too good
Right 😂
These yellow jackets are like the left lane hogger on i70. They don't want everyone else to go faster than them because they are already doing speed limit. I don't see what you guys doing are considered fast.
jasonsong86 wtf. This is literally so true about I70. People are such bitches and won’t move over 🤣
@@stephandoan This is so true about every state, especially Iowa. Except for the Autobahn.
Ton of skier r way damn faster
Facts
Doan R6 that’s Japanese car (appliance) drivers for ya’
Sounds like they have problems filling up their safety class.
I completely agree with you. These employees were out of line. You guys were in control and going slow the hole time. Plus skirting the edges and staying away from main crowds. They underestimate how controled an advanced snowboarder can be. Im just as controled at low speeds as fast speeds. Its a snow sport... the possibility of injury is always a thing. Its like driving and thinking youll never be in a accident. If you dont wanna get hurt dont go!
I’m a new rider (I’ve only been once) I went to copper and never saw anyone get stopped for being reckless, so is this like a regular thing I need to watch out for?
Completely inappropriate. They stereotyped you all immediately. They would not have used inappropriate language or thought you flipped them off if you were a clean cut, older skier. Judgement based off age and what you are wearing. Speed, green run, and miss understanding aside. Very unprofessional for a large company such as Vail.
Damn! Nice face Sarah.
So I don’t have a chance with my braids and being black and all, huh? Real shit, not even trolling Lol
Well said
Brandon Keyes 😂😂 a dark skinned dude with braided hair myself I can’t even begin to explain the amount of looks I get. I have never experienced any type of racism directly so don’t take it the wrong way but you can definitely tell everyone’s eyes get glued to you 😂
whyumadtho355 yea, I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen another brotha on the slopes. Maybe, but I’ve had nothing but pleasant experiences. Everyone has been nice, I was just being tongue in cheek.
I'm hill safety at Big Bear Mountain Resorts,
This is a huge lesson to be professional, kind and understanding to all guests
Thanx for posting
its hard work being a Hill safety at big bear. all the stupid people that go off jumps even though there a ski patrol blocking the ramp with someone injured at the bottom its insane.
steve betance you guys should do something about all the inconsiderate people sitting all over the runs. Pretty much guaranteed that during hours I can pull up any webcam and it’s littered with people sitting on a run. Place is unrideable.
Heyyyyyyyy bear mountain
You strap in, stand up, and ride down. Tell them, "I'm leaving the mountain, and I'm not interacting with you beyond this point."
If they attempt to restrain you, that's kidnapping. If they attempt to knock you down, that's assault.
Is there any update to this? Curious if they appologized?
“You flipped us off”
No we didn’t
“Oh maybe you didn’t but you were definitely going fast”
Supposed to go there soon I’ll go to a different mountain
And you were spraying everybody! ..nope.. Ok but you killed john wicks dog!
m.th-cam.com/video/YrXr8PcW4CY/w-d-xo.html
Same.. going in February.. disgusting tyrannical pigs.. you pay a high premium for lift tickets and get treated like a criminal. I'll hit the other peaks for a good while before I return with my family. Hopefully they correct this injustice and fire the bad actors.
Just canceled my family trip to Keystone in Feb; after watching this I'll take my family of 8 to Snowbird in Utah. Seems to me everyone should quit supporting resorts like this that have become way to political.
@@chrisnielsen6710 trust me, you'll thank yourself for doing so. that's why we all left colorado.
I am so glad you decided to show everyone this. They are all full of shit and lying through their teeth. They should get suspended for that and vail should make examples of them publically before they lose thousands to the ikon pass.
This is not how customers want to be treated or should be treated.
As soon as he heard you have video of the entire run he should have been open to look at it.
8 billion dollar company isn't going to be worth 8 billion if this is the bullshit they keep pulling with guest.
This is so true
sadly they will still be an 8 billion dollar company. The sad fact is they dont give a fuck about us guys. They are all about the vacationer.
@@jakobihli6548 with this being seen by so many it will cut down on the amount of vacationers to some degree.
#vailfail doing the same shit here in WA. So many comments about never going back and everyone going to Ikon next season....
@@jakobihli6548 Idk man they defiantly lost me as a customer if they are going to pull this shit. It adds up after a while for example if my group is like hey lets go to vail and I show them this video and be like na dude i really don't want to go get harassed on my day off we can easily go to a different place.
Thanks!
No thank you 🙏🏼
@@JohnathanBuckhouse what do you mean "no thank you"?
I love all your videos
Thank you!
So much light shed on this situation! I really hope Vail apologizes, this can’t look good on them.
Vail doesn’t care. Worked for them for 2 years, 1 year being keystone. So corporate and by the text book but they don’t care about their customers enough to address it, they monopolize this business so it doesn’t matter in their eyes.
more like so much like shred...hehe
None of the employees conduct is acceptable per company standards.
Melissa Barrett I couldn’t agree more!
Ben Dover that’s a shame.. hopefully this gets enough attention to break the mold
If this is too fast then I must be a criminal🤷♂️
I see three Power Trippers there scaring away guests paying thousands a week to ski there
Damn bro I've clocked myself at 130kph
Samuel Hildebrandt really 🙄
same man
Fr i just zoom down some mountains as fast as i can and i dont stop at all
Haters gonna hate. Dont let it ruin your day. Great content!
This video was made during a time period when keystone was having major issues with how they treated their customers. For instance, they would scan your pass at the base and make you tell them your SS# and\or DOB before you could get on the lift. I got into huge arguments with them, before the order finally came in from above that they weren't allowed to do that within earshot of a huge line of people. Duh! I took several years off from Vail resorts because of this stuff.
Is this a joke? They weren’t going fast at all.
I was planning on going there with family and probably spending $300-$500. After seeing this NOPE cancel that I’ll go a mountain that respects their guests
winter park & steamboat are really great family mountains and free from the vail resorts bullcrap :)
Coper mountain is amazing!
Keystone is probably one of the more chill places to go honestly just look out for yellow jackets lol
Go to crested butte
Abasin right down the road
Hey Johnathan, do you edit your comment section?
Honestly you where in control and being very respectful
Don't ever turn the camera off when something like this happens.
“Hey you your a snowboarder too stop!”
Hey wait we’re on snowboards too,.....now what?
Jumping onto a green run isn’t exactly safe. My 5 year old almost got his head ripped off doing what you jackasses are doing. I’d say good on Vail!
@@cryptotrev1394 you are missing a point bud...
Trevor Albertsen good. Go put your 5 year old somewhere else
@@cryptotrev1394 the point is that they didnt actually go fast, if they were going fast it would be different bc they are actually bombing the hill uncontrollably and actually have been able to knock someone over
I didn’t see any issues with u guys, but I am a downhill skier, senior female and I have to say that I ended up with a torn meninscus from an out of control snowboarder who made a lane out of me. Result? I’m terrified when hearing the sounds of a boarder behind me. I LOVE watching u guys rip…..but from the safety of the ski lift. ❤️
I’m a normal skier with a lot of time under my belt and I have flew down mountains way faster then y’all and have never been asked to slow down keep doing what you are doing and I bet you will be fine just some yellow jackets with a power crave I guess.
I am so glad we dont have this in Europe. How ridiculous
Those safety people are on a power trip. You and your friends absolutely did nothing wrong. The one dude that started it should lose his job for lying!!!🤥🤥🤥
Pretty sure they were in the right. It's a big no no for a group of guys to have fun, safe or not.
Their business… their rules… don’t like it get off the mountain!
@@jfraney6002 they didn't break their rules
@@johnr.timmers2297 😂
@@jfraney6002 not exactly good for business
Hey just got this on my home page today! Wondering if vale helped you guys out?
Call the sheriff?! Because that is stealing? Wtf i really hope you guys took this to a higher up and showed their boss this
I was mountain safety at Keystone for a season, Celeste pulled me into her office and asked why I wasn't give out any warnings so after that I only gave out snowmobile lane warnings. These guys were showing control and giving enough space to other riders. I would have told you guys to take it easy on green runs and gave you all hot coco cards and end it with a "please ride safe"! This would have gave us yellow jackets more respect in the future.
"Why aren't you giving out any warning?"
"Maybe because nobody needed them?"
A cool head like yours would have been nice, but If mountain safety weren't being nice, it was time for these guys to relax and diffuse the situation themselves.
@@camrenjudd7208 If no one needs them, they will be unemployed :D so, keep the warnings and "happenings" up, to secure your job, lmao, clownstone
Were there warning quotas that they required you to meet?
@@the_dunedain. sounds like it!
I ski at keystone and I called them to express my concerns about this! I took notes of my conversation and below are the notes I took with the questions I asked and answers I got back.
Q: How fast is someone allowed to go down schoolmarm while still being considered safe?
A: Its subjective, it is determined by the flow of traffic, how many people are there, time of day, etc.
Q: If I’m going down Schoolmarm and Mountain Safety thinks I’m going too fast, what should they do?
A: Mountain Safety should educate the skier/snowboarder. They should talk with them about it.
Q: Are they able to make the skier go to a school without talking to them about it first?
A: No, they must have a conversation first.
Q: We established in the first question that safe is subjective. This could lead to a mistake in judgement. What process is in place if mountain safety makes a mistake?
A: If someone gets in a situation where they are not happy with mountain safety’s actions they can reach out to me (mountain safety patrol main office manager @ 970 496 3101) they can talk with us about the interaction and we will review ad investigate the situation.
You can call them too!
One way to express a concern could sound like this:
I ski here and someone I associate with was treated unfair while skiing here. I want to know if you think this is okay because I want to avoid being treated unfair. I can see myself being caught up in the same unfortunate situation where I am treated unfair because I ski the same way. I feel like I’m at risk of unfair treatment because of the actions keystone mountain safety have taken. If you want to review the video, I can email you the link.
Nice initiative. People who ski at Keystone should follow your example.
Thank for for taking initiative.
you have too much time on your hands
@@starogre yeah I took over a week of paid time off so I was chilling. Also, I ski at Keystone a lot and I care about how their mountain safety treats others and myself.
@@starogre Speaking out against injustice is not indicative that someone has too much time on their hands. Now get out, Vail shill.
Wow this actually blows my mind...the only safety concerns I see are loads of people just standing around the mountain. Whats up with that? I've never seen so many people just standing around doing nothing in the middle of a hill. Even on a green run people should not be standing around. Those are the people posing risk.
Very common on that green run, and even blue runs at that resort.