I get excited when I see you've dropped a new video. Thank you so much for opening up this discipline and making it so accessible. I've been following you for a year (close to when you started) and it's helped me put my own interests into perspective within a larger framework. Plus I love your storytelling cadence and am spellbound by the incredibly beautiful complex weaving of ideas and images these early people created to understand and begin to conquer the impenetrable world around them I love this so much!!!
A video I would love to see at some point would be comparing Wodan, Rudra, Lugh, and Rundas. The exact formation of the mythological figure, I'm unsure of. But this sort of hunting god, psychopomp, kingship deity has always intrigued me. It would be interesting to see if there is a parallel or cognate figure in near Eastern myth.
Lęg, Rod, Lud, Lugi, Rugia - To breed, to get born, to multiply, people, race, nation, folks, tribe Adin, Jeden, Odin, Wodan, Wodzić - One, first, the only one, highest, to lead, to go first Lid, Lead, Right, Ride, Rite, Road, Law, Reign, Route, diRect, straight, strzała(arrow), through
Would you be willing to look into Mesoamerican cultures? I am FASCINATED by the mythological offerings of central and south america. There's a lot of rich imagery and symbolism that we've only just begun to crack, and it's VERY difficult to find good (and also entertaining) sources in english for these tales.
I'm not sure I have the time to learn and research Mesoamerican mythology in the same depth, but if time allows I will try and touch of specific myths that maybe relevant.
Check out Mythology Unleashed. They have a presentation style that's pretty similar to something you might see on television. There's a bunch of different kinds of myths, including Mesoamerican ones.
@@argentandroid5732 It's not the presentation nor the depth of information I'm looking for. I appreciate Mythology Unleashed for what the channel does, though. Crecganford provides a certain style with his delivery of information that makes it VERY easy for me to tune in and retain. He also has an eye for comparison, obviously, one that I wish was turned to Mesoamerican myth. That particular field of study lacks decent English sources on youtube, or rather, they lack english sources that have the same way with words as our favorite channel here.
@@Crecganford Regardless of whether or not you go in depth, just know we're eternally grateful for your channel, and we deeply appreciate you as a creator.
Caveat there is that maybe people in flat areas couldn't really see how the river consistently wound in a sinusoidal shape. Mountain-dwellers could definitely see that, so maybe the origin of that meme was people who lived on plains near mountains.
Or the finding of fossilized bones could have helped that along, too. Just like the idea that they caused the belief in Cyclops and similar beings, too.
Great video, I’m pretty convinced that Manu was a son of Yemo. It seems like Tacitus accurately described it with manus being born from tuisto. Manus’s role as priest/sacrificer taken over by his three sons in the Germanic tradition. I personally don’t think manu was born from cow intercourse but more that Yemo is this twin nature itself, male/female. I could see the original myth having the cow just be a gift vs the use of milk. Plot device needed for the cow to be stolen… I was rethinking the PIE creation this morning so your video was perfect timing. IMO this is the creation story: In the beginning there was no (all things here) just the chaotic void, which I believe was more accurately deep depths of water, Rig Veda hints at this. Heat is then applied to the water, some primordial force or Sky god? Then from the waters or an egg in the water Yemo is born. From Yemo some gods are born Manu being one of them. Manu sacrifices Yemo and you know the rest. A conspiracy theory of mine is that Heimdallr is Yemo in a way. Name probably means world tree according to Larrington and Crawford. He had 9 mothers, 9 giantesses or waves from the beginning of time. Just makes sense. He’s also cursed with a muddy back, sea foam on world tree. Also castes come from him just like Parusha.
I just thought of something when I heard you talking about the Earth Goddess, which is to say how often people will refer to their home countries as Motherlands (Mother Russia and Mother England being quite famous examples of this,) and I have to wonder if this specific phrase or even this line of thinking has its roots in veneration of an Earth Goddess.
Germans say fatherland and Poles the same female deities were everywhere but in no Indoeuropean national ever was any leading female deity even Venus was imported to Greece from Levant after changing name from Isis phrase motherland is more related with soil and land, from farmers who were fed by mother giving food and it wasn't Indoeuropean in origin but custom inherited with learning farming farmer was impregnating own field ritually for soil to get pregnant and fertile that's way ziemia soul/land in Slavic is feminine word for fishermen sea was also female as it was also feeding like mother the same as cow
I am always both happy to see a new video from you, and happy to get to relax to that wonderful voice of yours. 😊 I've got a playlist of your stuff that I sometimes plug in to fall asleep to, just like I've got ones with others whose voices I find so soothing, like Hank Green in the Into the Microcosmos channel. 😊 Keep up the fantastic work! I love them all! ❤️❤️
Great material. Try breaking it up into chapters, would make it much easier to skip through to favourite sections. Qu: The ancients seemed very keen on the stars and developing calendars (eg Stone Henge), many gods ended up becoming stars. Was this a big part of PIE mythology or a intrusion from other cultures?
I think what I'd really like to know (if somehow it was possible) is what (if any) myths and legends were passed down to us from Neanderthals and/or Denisovans, if our species intermingled as much as we now think.
And so would I. Perhaps the dragon myth, creation myth, but probably most likely if there was one, the myth of immortality and death, was shared. But I think it would be difficult for us to ever know for sure.
Whew! Finally caught up! (Though I'm going to through a few choice videos again later and take extensive notes...) I do have two questions/requests I'd like to offer, though forgive me if they are outside your area of expertise or if you have a long list of planned topics already. First, much like your earlier book recommendations for Indo-European mythological studies, I was wondering if you happen to have any title recommendations for Near Eastern myths and cultures; pre-Abrahamic Canaan in particular, Sumer, Phoenician, any other Semitic or Mesopotamian groups, maybe even pre-Zoroastrian Persia, etc. Second, I'd be very interested in learning about the Ba'al Cycle in a future video, especially if there are any connections to or from it with the larger IE myth complex. Thanks so much for all your hard work!
I do have a video planned to discuss the Ba'al cycle, and as an introduction I would always recommend Jaan Puhvel's Comparative Mythology. But because this isn't my field I feel a little reluctant to recommend a "de facto" book, but as an interesting piece I found Wikianders Unburning Flame very interesting.
Is there a possibility that the similarities between Norse and Vedic stories were created independently ? Seems to me any time one group interacted with another, the losers of the conflict's gods became demons, titans, giants and the winners gods became the good guys. If there was a consistency in this mythological system across Europe ( Celtic, Baltic ) I would be more likely to agree with your assessment. Either way, even when we disagree I love the ideas you talk about. keep up the good work
Some stories maybe but some have such a strong similarity that it would seem they have a common origin. And I want to talk about one of these in my next video.
Hmmm in Albanian we have 4 main mother Goddesses: Erinea which is a proto Illyrian Mother Goddess Dhemeter which is also a Greek Goddess, in Albanian her name mean Of Earth / Ground, Dhe also means fields/land. Dracanea- she is a Dragon Dea Dardanicea - What's interesting is that Dione which means knowledge/wisdom is seen as Zeus's ( whose name means sound/voice hencehe is consideredas God of thunder) first wife yet she isn't seen as Mother Goddess. Hera whose name means time is another of Zeus's wife but she isn't seen as mother Goddess either. We also have Prenda based on whom the Friday is named in Albanian ( wife of Perendi aka the Sky Father ).
I'm pretty sure Thokk being Loki is still disputed. I'm more inclined to think Loki was Harbard. If we accept the Havamal was originally spoken by Father Sky (Dyeus Phter, so Tyr/Thor), and only later attributed to Odin as his cult took over, then most of the reasons for arguing Harbard is Odin disappear. That's a bit off-topic though, I know. The Classical Greek Conception of Zeus is more in line with the Ugaritic storm god Baal Hadad than Marduk, I think, though I suppose the former is an adaptation of the latter anyway. Baal beats Yam (the Ocean) which reflects how Poseidon went from Chief deity to subordinate deity to Zeus, after the end of Mycenaean civilization. Also, Baal is the most assholeish version of the Storm God I can think of, which fits the mythological Zeus.
Hey man do you have any videos about The Green Man ? Just something I’m looking into but can’t find much content on, but I think it ties in with indo-European creation myths somewhere?
I want to add something. The "coming from the Underworld" motif is also common in Asian cultures, like Japan and China. So wouldn't be weird that the myth would be a lot older in fact.
The coming from the underworld is in fact the earliest form of Creation Myth we know, preceding the Earth Diver motif, which may make it 80K years old.
@Crecganford yes, but also the motif of going to the underworld to save a loved one like the Percefone myth/Innana/Baldur, it also happen in Japan with the Izanami and Izanagi myth of creation.
under one of the videos there was once a link to a database of old myths. this database was in russian and was translated into english at the time. unfortunately i can no longer find this database and the link. can someone possibly give me this link?
I Love ❤ your videos !!!. They make me think and that is why I like them. I like how you explain everything and you include people or things that don’t agree with you also so everybody get a mention! But really it lets me think about How man came about and how we are all different! I am even thinking of becoming a patron??? Thanks again ❤ to you Bill Marcellino a like-minded person
Near Eastern Mediterranean areas were colonized by Aryans as well. So it's more akin they took Aryan myths and later were rewritten just like in India after the Vedic Civilization faded away.
Certainly in the Northern Mediterranean region, it was layered, EFF, IE, EFF&IE, IE&EFF, depending on the time your looking at. We do however see the split more easily identified from myths in Scandinavia and the Afanseivo culture due to the dialect changes in PIE.
2nd watch... Awesome! What do you think about working on a sci fi movie in 2027? Ill need a consultant to incorporate mythological figures into each of the character's back stories.
Even Indo-europeans didn't live in a vacuum. It is hard to truly tell what is IE-origin and what isn't because so many sources are quite vague and fragmented. But what i believe myself that even proto-IE era there was already quite strong neolithic influence on early IE-peoples and cultures. I believe original IE religion may have been quite chthonic like some neolithic peoples had. We can still see this from Basque folklore. Btw Uralic languages and not from Europe, they came from Siberia.
Yes, whilst there was Agricultural influence in the Indo-Europeans, there was much more Hunter Gather, from East and West of the Steppe. I will talk about his more one day, and why the Near East influence was so dominant considering the significance of DNA influence from the HG groups.
Perhaps the simultaneous appearance of simular gods from different pantheon in art is, in fact, the evidence of alliances between tribal groups. It shows, does it not, that a kinship is being acknowledged here and doesn't it seem to divert from cause for conflict, if your temple, is stating, that both gods are the same God. Somewhat like a royal marriage as a political tool, perhaps.
In fairness to say that communication of better quality stories, and conversations to the best tale and the best practices, both can explain any spread beyond conquest.
you don't see this in patriarchal cultures were cult of tribal gods and ancestors is inherited and preserved by any cost and spread forcefully with blood only in one direction assimilation of other people's women There is no non Indoeuropean deity in Greek mythology except of imported remade Isis called Venus but there certainly happened process of erosion of Indoeuropean influence as Hermes in time looses his original attributes and importance while Athena and Artemis is taking these over maybe it happened by process of specialisation of Gods, organising it logically without one deity being Meta with deep less concrete meanings intertwining many customs on many levels Hermes gets divided into himself only related with trade, heraldry and keeping word loosing his supernatural abilities like animalistic nature, shapeshifting, giving way to Haron for mediation with underworld plus hunting patronship to Artemis and wisdom to Athena But fact if Greece not having much land to plow may had some impact on this
I wouldn't mention Mokosh among Mother Earth goddesses there. That is mostly known about Mokosh is that she is somehow connected with sewing and with Christianity she was demoted to a small house spirit sewing while nobody see. At the same time Slavic people have a goddess straightforwardly called Mother Wet Earth - Mat' Syra Zemlya. Or at least it was a late poetic expression. There are very little known things about EVERY Slavic god.
they believed in duality for every sky father of order there was his wife or sister of opposite element or both of one element Mokosh somehow reminds me word miękkość softness of mothers embrace or softness of wool also warmth of woollen cloths also as they were farmers obviously land was seen as a mother providing for its children we remember Slavic myth of duck taking soil from sea of blackgod to be material for creating man if it gave life it also provides life żyto - kind of grain is literally very similar to word życie - life father told me story from his mom about how żyto was holding grain from soil level to its peak, plentifully God got angry on people and tried to destroy all crops to starve people but Mary kept holding the top of plant with hand saving last part with grain protecting humanity ofc being pagan story adapted to Christianity
@@aaryan_B055 thank you I was confused about that in 2000 I read the history of the Caste System with regards too The Untouchables while reading the information said that Aryans immigrated into India colonized it and began enforcing The Present day Caste system of the Untouchables. The mini-history book on India's Caste System apparently, identified them as Indo-Aryan's at the moment wondered what was the difference between Aryan's and Indo-Aryan's? Thank you for letting me know about The Aryan's it's nice too know not all History Book's speak Truth.
All the devas are called asuras in the oldest parts of rigvrda Also Gods in Sanskrit are pronounced deva What you are pronouncing is devaa which would be goddess not god Same thing with all the other Sanskrit words with a at the end Its just a very very short a and not a full aaa So it would be rigveda, asura, indra and so on and not rigvedaa, asuraaa and indraaa like you say
Since bringing down the biggest prey possible, without the hunter being taken out of commission too, would have been a universal starting point - tales of various types and local relevance, would have sourced “giants as supply”. With some of these giants being wooly rhinos, cave bears and mammoths, a good tale would be widen open for a new “actor” to take the part. Middle eastern countries may have had a cultural past with African fauna as source.
Im a little confused why you are so certain that the near eastern myths influenced the proto-Indo-Europeans and not the other way around. Also, maybe I misheard, but how do you say that Indo-Iranian religion is not directly Indo-European? Zoroastrianism was reformation of Indo-Iranian religion, itself, virtually indistinguishable from Indo-Aryan religion. I feel like there are some chronological issues here. We don’t see the “near eastern” serpent and Tiamat myth until after the arrival of the Babylonians, Kassites and Amorites. The Amorites came from a home in the northern Syrian steppe, which is quite near to the Hittites/Luwians/Anatolians. I think using “agricultural vs pastoral” is a really slippery way to organize these ideas that really miss the specificities of the chronology of REAL movements of people and language.
Because I was speaking about the Indo-European myths, and so it would be hard to say there is Indo-European in Agricultural myths whilst referring to them. I do mention there could be influence the other way in some myths, and will talk about this more in a future video.
@@Crecganford quite fair. I appreciate your work and sorry for coming across argumentative. I study this stuff from a slightly different angle and what I’ve found-and really what I believe we will come to find out for sure in the future-is the Indo-European influence into the near East is both stronger and earlier than we have been led to believe. Again, just my educated opinion, but I know I until I make my own video laying out by argument it is just that, an opinion, but I believe our cultural obsession with Judaism/Christianity/Islam and the Bible has severely impacted the study of the Bronze world, so much so, that “biblical scholars” have set the agenda for 1000+ years that is biased towards near eastern origins because that, to them, “proves” the Bible is “True”. Setting aside the direction of influence, I think we can both agree that Biblical “scholars” have had an immense impact on not only chronology but also, interpretation of archaeological finds.
@@Crecganford just to add: there are many reasons why I feel strongly about the long comment I just made, but just to say, I recently finished “Indo-European and Hebrew Epic” by Cyrus Gordon and “Unburning Fame: horses, dragons, beings of smoke and other indo European motifs in Ugarit and the Hebrew Bible” by Ola Wikander and both make strong arguments for an Indo-European AND Hurrian origin for much of the Ugaritic stories, which we know played a large role in the formation of the Old Testament. AND, it is quite clear to the non biased observed that the Indo-Iranian Persians played a large role if not the central role in the formation/writing of the Old Testament (Ezra the Persian quite literally was the key here, and the the Hebrew covenant is also quite similar if not the same to the vassal treaties of Assyrian and later Persian colonies. There is a reason Cyrus is spoken of so highly. Also, Ugur was a plague deity that was not only seen as the same as Nergal, Reshef, Apaliunas/Apeljon, but also, the Vedic Rudra who had an epithet of Ugra. I don’t think this is a coincidence that we get Ugarit at a time period where there was a heavy indo-European influence in the near East/Northwest Syria. Then there is the question of the Canaanites, who are quite clearly Hurrian, Amoritic, and had a sizable portion of indo-European “Sea Peoples”.
@@godskingssages4724 Word Ugór in polish literally means dead soil not giving yield 😉 I also believe he wrongly look for common origin in Scandinavian division of Gods with Vedic division that happened much later after division of Aryas in IranoIndia much like schism in Islam happened (nomen omen because of Iranians 😂) there was also a big difference between beliefs of early Indoeuropeans before they left eurosteppe and became Corded Ware culture on forest-steppe border creating a new cultural package adapted to new climatic conditions and vs third phase of conquering rest of Europe reaching with avantgarde Frisia and redefining cult of horse and cart into boat riding on sea plus the end phase when in perifery they mixed more evenly with different folks without imposing full package on others rather changing themselves
If we think that all ancient people a religious in Eliade sense, so they are not doing anything which is not reflected in the religion and their religion cannot have anything which is not a part of their life. Which means that the time (10.5k ybp) and place (iranean plateau) is the place and culture where the first myth featuring cows could appear and spread with those cows receiving localisations along the way.
the Indian culture and the European culture seems to have one of their respective god pairs with an etymological connection and the other not so much. I would think that the Aesir are the ones that would be the PIE folks and the other god group the group that lived in the region originally.
I liked this video. I don’t agree with the sun disappearing as being agricultural in origin. The sun disappears in the west every day and rises in the east. That’s where the death and rebirth cycle came from. Solar agricultural interests in seasons and yearly renewal came later.
I can imagine a conflict beginning between with the the agriculturalists protecting their crops from the pastoralists wanting to graze their animals. This was a matter of survival so could have been seen the basis of their cultures.
4:40 There is a mirror to this story in Avesta. Ahuras are benevolent and Divas are evil. Wouldn’t that mean this myth is associated with something far more recent?
I'm a dumabass but personally I think that civilizations gravitate towards maslows heiarchy of needs and everytime we restart at "base instincts" (sex, drugs, violence) we learn from our mistakes and make myths about the wisdom we gained.
that's very narrow minded point of view violent steppe warriors were completely cultured with full religious system behind their ways it never collapsed believes collapsed much faster in farming societies because of overcrowding and many years in line of droughts and starvation cities altered their beliefs much faster and that's where all the sects were starting plus politisation of religions creating forced centralisation and conversions of people with naturally different beliefs of own tribe
Is there a particularly high correlation between a tough fit regarding a god taking on a new or additional role, and dreams? Balder’s story made me ask.
But Near Eastern culture was extremely slim as part of the DNA percentage in Northern Europe. Why would it permeate Slavic and Nordic myth so much then? And what of the Western Hunter Gatherer religions? Perhaps some of these could have originated from them instead, as its hard to tell, and also hard to tell exactly when different ideas entered a culture or area.
what were beliefs of Globular Amfora folks who both reached as far as steppe and got integrated by corded ware wave intruding to Western Europe Exactly through their territories 😉 it's not like they didn't trade with Greeks Tracians and not sailed on black sea
The entire Mythology explains in Picture and Stories of how the Soul never dies and how we as Humans go from this World into the other, the Underworld. Zeus is the Creating Force. Myth has nothing to do with Agriculture, just as Agriculture is similar than Human reproduction. Zeus and Ceres is not the Grain or Cereal, but the Human seed, which is similar.
@@Crecganford it may be getting shadow banned because of some bad words (according to YT) I just checked your channel in routine and found this upload, didn't get the notification.
I like the idea that some of these clash of gods could be historical in the sense that it reflects one CULTURE taking over another (as opposed to the notion that there was some kind of historical event they based it on). Very interesting.
could it be said these Various Being's identified by The Elders as gods were likely family group's? Even these Indo-European's. How many pantheons under the belief of polythestic worship existed. I came across this name won't lie about it out of Enoch The Prophet of Old (Enoch Pre-Flood), Enoch 1 chapter 60 Fragment of The Book of Noah. Three name's caught my attention. 1.baraqiel/baraqel/baraquiel baal his name in Hebrew mean "Lightening Giver", and I've seen this name spelled three different ways still mean "Lightening Giver". 2. SATAL in Hebrew/in Greek ATLAS 3. Read this name since I was a child (and learned how too Read), Ur Land of The Chaldees in Genesis and later once I found out it existed Jubilees. Ur is where all the action seemed to be taking place Pre-Flood Era/Post-Flood Era in Ancient Sumeria; The whole Mesopotamia. Then while watching a whole other Ytube video on The 8 King's that ruled over Sumeria. I think it's possible Gilgamesh was one of those King's that ruled 209,000 Year's? I can be for certain but, a 3rd name of a Fallen Watcher Angel is Urukibal where Ur is derived from and perhaps Urukibal is Gilgamesh's Father Pre-Flood Era. Nimrod I'm sure of was named after Him; after Gilgamesh. Which goes back too my original question could these gods whom The Elders taught about through Oral History have been made up of Family Group's/& or Family Sub-group's like Those 8 King's that ruled over Sumeria at one Time become pantheons? It would answer
It's easy to see there may be a rewrite that can occur suddenly in a generation of two. Today we get to see that happen, especially with the Catholic sect, how the beliefs can be totally changed in a very short time. Then of course will come the change in the whole story. We can assume there was a process or someone used reasoning to alter the story, but as we are witnessing, it may just come from out of the blue.
African mythology would have spread to Asia and Siberia before heading back into Europe, and so there is no real clear lineage without looking at specific myths. I have shown that the creation myth with the Earth Diver, the Tree of Life, Immortality and Death, and the Dragon myths all seems to have come from Africa though, and versions ended up in Europe.
With PIE and later IE cultures being so deeply rooted in paternal ancestry, and this paternal ancestral component ultimately deriving from ANE and Siberian Hunter Gathers, with Haplogroup R and its split - and with the populations forming PIE being a mixture of Western,Eastern, and Caucas Hunter Gathers - why state the EEF population moved into the Black Sea region and a bit later the PIE culture pops up? This seems quite misleading, especially in the context of the myths as this would indicate that the IE expansion, already shown to be rooted in paternal founder effects, would suddenly get rid of their cultural root (cult), which was paternal in its origin story. Certainly mixing occurred in IE, but the idea of the "origin" being the near east, seems to align to the falsehoods Harvard has been trying to promote. Especially when we consider the lack of evidence to confirm that Corded Ware came from Yamnaya - it seems erroneous to claim blanket statements such as those in this video about IE.
Still Yamnaya gives a clue about preCordedWare beliefs to then understand what Corded Ware became and how it changed after flooding rest of Europe influence of Globular Amfora can't be ignored too I also think Scandinavia because of different quite isolated conditions isn't very representative to what happened with IE culture evolution everywhere else south from it 😉 both gradients West east and North South are of similar importance with different specifics plus effects of reconvergence with postyamnaya not wiped by corded ware earlier
it's wrong Vedic Devas and Asuras division came to be later after division in vedic culture where Avesta went different way than Vedas when isolated Scandinavia continued old beliefs keeping old system Aryans were migrating and changing with time on very wide area encountering completely different cultures there are completely different conditions to compare this way you need to prove this division of Gods existing earlier on their path as far as their origin and first contact with farming cultures
No problem, it has repeated much of what I have already spoken about in the past, but the idea is that this is also a marker for future videos which will refer to it.
also Iranians and hindus have it flipped. in Iranian ahura are good skygods, in hindu its the Devis, but the hindus used to worship the ahura, but for some reason the ground god Devis became good
Iranians (as well as Sumerians) as usual going own way 😂 they did the same with Islam 😂😂😂 I can't wait to see what Afganis gonna blow up in future after a few decades of very high natural growth 😂 better to stay away from this region 😂 they are as stubborn as Nordics 😂
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Thank you for stitching together the fragments
And thank you for watching.
I get excited when I see you've dropped a new video. Thank you so much for opening up this discipline and making it so accessible. I've been following you for a year (close to when you started) and it's helped me put my own interests into perspective within a larger framework. Plus I love your storytelling cadence and am spellbound by the incredibly beautiful complex weaving of ideas and images these early people created to understand and begin to conquer the impenetrable world around them I love this so much!!!
Thank you so much for your kind words.
A video I would love to see at some point would be comparing Wodan, Rudra, Lugh, and Rundas. The exact formation of the mythological figure, I'm unsure of. But this sort of hunting god, psychopomp, kingship deity has always intrigued me. It would be interesting to see if there is a parallel or cognate figure in near Eastern myth.
Lęg, Rod, Lud, Lugi, Rugia - To breed, to get born, to multiply, people, race, nation, folks, tribe
Adin, Jeden, Odin, Wodan, Wodzić - One, first, the only one, highest, to lead, to go first
Lid, Lead, Right, Ride, Rite, Road, Law, Reign, Route, diRect, straight, strzała(arrow), through
Yes!!!! Amazing video Jon! ❤
Thanks Derek!
Always happy to sit down with a cup of tea for this channel 👍
I really appreciate the erudite diction in your videos. Tidy, penetrative research and imaginative combination of mythological ideas.
Would you be willing to look into Mesoamerican cultures?
I am FASCINATED by the mythological offerings of central and south america. There's a lot of rich imagery and symbolism that we've only just begun to crack, and it's VERY difficult to find good (and also entertaining) sources in english for these tales.
Seconding this, especially if it can be compared to Eurasian myth. When he touches on native American myth in some videos it's always fascinating
I'm not sure I have the time to learn and research Mesoamerican mythology in the same depth, but if time allows I will try and touch of specific myths that maybe relevant.
Check out Mythology Unleashed. They have a presentation style that's pretty similar to something you might see on television. There's a bunch of different kinds of myths, including Mesoamerican ones.
@@argentandroid5732 It's not the presentation nor the depth of information I'm looking for.
I appreciate Mythology Unleashed for what the channel does, though.
Crecganford provides a certain style with his delivery of information that makes it VERY easy for me to tune in and retain.
He also has an eye for comparison, obviously, one that I wish was turned to Mesoamerican myth.
That particular field of study lacks decent English sources on youtube, or rather, they lack english sources that have the same way with words as our favorite channel here.
@@Crecganford Regardless of whether or not you go in depth, just know we're eternally grateful for your channel, and we deeply appreciate you as a creator.
Another great video! The attention to detail and storytelling is always top notch.
Thank you.
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I bet dragons were originally a way to explain why rivers often look like giant snakes.
Caveat there is that maybe people in flat areas couldn't really see how the river consistently wound in a sinusoidal shape. Mountain-dwellers could definitely see that, so maybe the origin of that meme was people who lived on plains near mountains.
There is probably some influence due to this.
Or the finding of fossilized bones could have helped that along, too. Just like the idea that they caused the belief in Cyclops and similar beings, too.
Please keep up posting them to your podcast too! I love being able to listen while I'm out working.
Great video, I’m pretty convinced that Manu was a son of Yemo. It seems like Tacitus accurately described it with manus being born from tuisto. Manus’s role as priest/sacrificer taken over by his three sons in the Germanic tradition.
I personally don’t think manu was born from cow intercourse but more that Yemo is this twin nature itself, male/female. I could see the original myth having the cow just be a gift vs the use of milk. Plot device needed for the cow to be stolen…
I was rethinking the PIE creation this morning so your video was perfect timing.
IMO this is the creation story:
In the beginning there was no (all things here) just the chaotic void, which I believe was more accurately deep depths of water, Rig Veda hints at this. Heat is then applied to the water, some primordial force or Sky god? Then from the waters or an egg in the water Yemo is born. From Yemo some gods are born Manu being one of them. Manu sacrifices Yemo and you know the rest.
A conspiracy theory of mine is that Heimdallr is Yemo in a way. Name probably means world tree according to Larrington and Crawford. He had 9 mothers, 9 giantesses or waves from the beginning of time. Just makes sense. He’s also cursed with a muddy back, sea foam on world tree. Also castes come from him just like Parusha.
I just thought of something when I heard you talking about the Earth Goddess, which is to say how often people will refer to their home countries as Motherlands (Mother Russia and Mother England being quite famous examples of this,) and I have to wonder if this specific phrase or even this line of thinking has its roots in veneration of an Earth Goddess.
Germans say fatherland and Poles the same
female deities were everywhere but in no Indoeuropean national ever was any leading female deity
even Venus was imported to Greece from Levant after changing name from Isis
phrase motherland is more related with soil and land, from farmers who were fed by mother giving food
and it wasn't Indoeuropean in origin
but custom inherited with learning farming
farmer was impregnating own field ritually for soil to get pregnant and fertile
that's way ziemia soul/land in Slavic is feminine word
for fishermen sea was also female as it was also feeding like mother
the same as cow
@@szymonbaranowski8184 That makes sense.
I am always both happy to see a new video from you, and happy to get to relax to that wonderful voice of yours. 😊 I've got a playlist of your stuff that I sometimes plug in to fall asleep to, just like I've got ones with others whose voices I find so soothing, like Hank Green in the Into the Microcosmos channel. 😊
Keep up the fantastic work! I love them all!
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Another great video mate, always a pleasure when the notification come up that you have uploaded a new video
Looking forward to your videos about the origin of the myths. Thank you.
Great material. Try breaking it up into chapters, would make it much easier to skip through to favourite sections. Qu: The ancients seemed very keen on the stars and developing calendars (eg Stone Henge), many gods ended up becoming stars. Was this a big part of PIE mythology or a intrusion from other cultures?
Not in Indo-European generally, it was more certain cultures within it, such as the Greeks.
Thank you Mr Crecganford, for another great video🙏
I think what I'd really like to know (if somehow it was possible) is what (if any) myths and legends were passed down to us from Neanderthals and/or Denisovans, if our species intermingled as much as we now think.
And so would I. Perhaps the dragon myth, creation myth, but probably most likely if there was one, the myth of immortality and death, was shared. But I think it would be difficult for us to ever know for sure.
I wonder if their existence influenced the ages of man concept.
thanks soo much for making these puzzles easier to fathom
Whew! Finally caught up! (Though I'm going to through a few choice videos again later and take extensive notes...) I do have two questions/requests I'd like to offer, though forgive me if they are outside your area of expertise or if you have a long list of planned topics already.
First, much like your earlier book recommendations for Indo-European mythological studies, I was wondering if you happen to have any title recommendations for Near Eastern myths and cultures; pre-Abrahamic Canaan in particular, Sumer, Phoenician, any other Semitic or Mesopotamian groups, maybe even pre-Zoroastrian Persia, etc. Second, I'd be very interested in learning about the Ba'al Cycle in a future video, especially if there are any connections to or from it with the larger IE myth complex.
Thanks so much for all your hard work!
I do have a video planned to discuss the Ba'al cycle, and as an introduction I would always recommend Jaan Puhvel's Comparative Mythology. But because this isn't my field I feel a little reluctant to recommend a "de facto" book, but as an interesting piece I found Wikianders Unburning Flame very interesting.
Is there a possibility that the similarities between Norse and Vedic stories were created independently ?
Seems to me any time one group interacted with another, the losers of the conflict's gods became demons, titans, giants and the winners gods became the good guys.
If there was a consistency in this mythological system across Europe ( Celtic, Baltic ) I would be more likely to agree with your assessment.
Either way, even when we disagree I love the ideas you talk about.
keep up the good work
Some stories maybe but some have such a strong similarity that it would seem they have a common origin. And I want to talk about one of these in my next video.
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Amazing, thank you as always sir. You are a true man of wisdom.
Tea time! Thank you Jon!
Now I’m really curious. Do you know if there are affinities with far Eastern myths?
Looking forward to your presentation, mate!
Thank you.
Hey Jon, great work as usual. Do you ever just sit and wonder about how these stories come to be burned into the human cultural memory?
I do, and I will write about it one day as it really helps me understand who we really are.
Can you do a deep dive into pre-Christian Maltese mythology?
Hmmm in Albanian we have 4 main mother Goddesses:
Erinea which is a proto Illyrian Mother Goddess
Dhemeter which is also a Greek Goddess, in Albanian her name mean Of Earth / Ground, Dhe also means fields/land.
Dracanea- she is a Dragon
Dea Dardanicea -
What's interesting is that Dione which means knowledge/wisdom is seen as Zeus's ( whose name means sound/voice hencehe is consideredas God of thunder) first wife yet she isn't seen as Mother Goddess. Hera whose name means time is another of Zeus's wife but she isn't seen as mother Goddess either. We also have Prenda based on whom the Friday is named in Albanian ( wife of Perendi aka the Sky Father ).
I'm pretty sure Thokk being Loki is still disputed. I'm more inclined to think Loki was Harbard. If we accept the Havamal was originally spoken by Father Sky (Dyeus Phter, so Tyr/Thor), and only later attributed to Odin as his cult took over, then most of the reasons for arguing Harbard is Odin disappear. That's a bit off-topic though, I know.
The Classical Greek Conception of Zeus is more in line with the Ugaritic storm god Baal Hadad than Marduk, I think, though I suppose the former is an adaptation of the latter anyway. Baal beats Yam (the Ocean) which reflects how Poseidon went from Chief deity to subordinate deity to Zeus, after the end of Mycenaean civilization. Also, Baal is the most assholeish version of the Storm God I can think of, which fits the mythological Zeus.
This is amazing. Thank you!
Thank you.
For a few seconds TH-cam bugged and showed a screenshot of Genshin Impact instead of the real thumbnail. I got so confused lol
Hey man do you have any videos about The Green Man ? Just something I’m looking into but can’t find much content on, but I think it ties in with indo-European creation myths somewhere?
I haven't made a video about him yet, but would happily do so.
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18:52 !!!!!!! AWESOME Increduble content resonating with my mythology study journey...and then you have Charon?!?!??! AWESOME!!!!!!
Thank you!
OK, Going to see the ferryman vid again :)
I must admit that it is one of my favorites.
I was delighted to hear the dragon story. I am sure that finding large fossils would have featured in the story.
Great video! However, I noticed there is a high-pitched ringing whenever you speak in the audio for this one. Is that just me?
I will look into this, I have just reset up my audio, and so I also hope this will cure any such issues. Thanks for the feedback.
I want to add something. The "coming from the Underworld" motif is also common in Asian cultures, like Japan and China. So wouldn't be weird that the myth would be a lot older in fact.
The coming from the underworld is in fact the earliest form of Creation Myth we know, preceding the Earth Diver motif, which may make it 80K years old.
@Crecganford yes, but also the motif of going to the underworld to save a loved one like the Percefone myth/Innana/Baldur, it also happen in Japan with the Izanami and Izanagi myth of creation.
under one of the videos there was once a link to a database of old myths. this database was in russian and was translated into english at the time. unfortunately i can no longer find this database and the link. can someone possibly give me this link?
www.mythologydatabase.com
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Near Eastern Mediterranean areas were colonized by Aryans as well. So it's more akin they took Aryan myths and later were rewritten just like in India after the Vedic Civilization faded away.
Certainly in the Northern Mediterranean region, it was layered, EFF, IE, EFF&IE, IE&EFF, depending on the time your looking at. We do however see the split more easily identified from myths in Scandinavia and the Afanseivo culture due to the dialect changes in PIE.
aryan is a myth my friend,aryan invasion is fake theory invented by britishers
2nd watch... Awesome! What do you think about working on a sci fi movie in 2027? Ill need a consultant to incorporate mythological figures into each of the character's back stories.
My calendar is currently free then.
I would love to see the migration maps for the next 10000 years.
Pashupati, the deer god of the Indus Valley, also fits in with Cern and Pan.
pashupati is not deer god you fool,he is hindu god shiva
Even Indo-europeans didn't live in a vacuum. It is hard to truly tell what is IE-origin and what isn't because so many sources are quite vague and fragmented. But what i believe myself that even proto-IE era there was already quite strong neolithic influence on early IE-peoples and cultures. I believe original IE religion may have been quite chthonic like some neolithic peoples had. We can still see this from Basque folklore.
Btw Uralic languages and not from Europe, they came from Siberia.
Yes, whilst there was Agricultural influence in the Indo-Europeans, there was much more Hunter Gather, from East and West of the Steppe. I will talk about his more one day, and why the Near East influence was so dominant considering the significance of DNA influence from the HG groups.
Perhaps the simultaneous appearance of simular gods from different pantheon in art is, in fact, the evidence of alliances between tribal groups. It shows, does it not, that a kinship is being acknowledged here and doesn't it seem to divert from cause for conflict, if your temple, is stating, that both gods are the same God.
Somewhat like a royal marriage as a political tool, perhaps.
In fairness to say that communication of better quality stories, and conversations to the best tale and the best practices, both can explain any spread beyond conquest.
you don't see this in patriarchal cultures were cult of tribal gods and ancestors is inherited and preserved by any cost and spread forcefully with blood only in one direction assimilation of other people's women
There is no non Indoeuropean deity in Greek mythology except of imported remade Isis called Venus
but there certainly happened process of erosion of Indoeuropean influence as Hermes in time looses his original attributes and importance while Athena and Artemis is taking these over
maybe it happened by process of specialisation of Gods, organising it logically without one deity being Meta with deep less concrete meanings intertwining many customs on many levels
Hermes gets divided into himself only related with trade, heraldry and keeping word
loosing his supernatural abilities like animalistic nature, shapeshifting,
giving way to Haron for mediation with underworld plus hunting patronship to Artemis and wisdom to Athena
But fact if Greece not having much land to plow may had some impact on this
I’m sure you’ve answered this somewhere already, but where do you get the amazing thumbnails photos from?
Either artists or I use imaging tools.
I wouldn't mention Mokosh among Mother Earth goddesses there. That is mostly known about Mokosh is that she is somehow connected with sewing and with Christianity she was demoted to a small house spirit sewing while nobody see. At the same time Slavic people have a goddess straightforwardly called Mother Wet Earth - Mat' Syra Zemlya. Or at least it was a late poetic expression. There are very little known things about EVERY Slavic god.
they believed in duality for every sky father of order there was his wife or sister of opposite element or both of one element
Mokosh somehow reminds me word miękkość softness of mothers embrace or softness of wool
also warmth of woollen cloths
also as they were farmers obviously land was seen as a mother providing for its children
we remember Slavic myth of duck taking soil from sea of blackgod to be material for creating man
if it gave life it also provides life
żyto - kind of grain is literally very similar to word życie - life
father told me story from his mom
about how żyto was holding grain from soil level to its peak, plentifully
God got angry on people and tried to destroy all crops to starve people but Mary kept holding the top of plant with hand saving last part with grain protecting humanity
ofc being pagan story adapted to Christianity
I've one question it's about the migration when did Indo--Aryan's migrate too Indonesia/& India, Myanmar?
Lol.
Indi aryans were indigenous to INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.
@@aaryan_B055 thank you I was confused about that in 2000 I read the history of the Caste System with regards too The Untouchables while reading the information said that Aryans immigrated into India colonized it and began enforcing The Present day Caste system of the Untouchables. The mini-history book on India's Caste System apparently, identified them as Indo-Aryan's at the moment wondered what was the difference between Aryan's and Indo-Aryan's?
Thank you for letting me know about The Aryan's it's nice too know not all History Book's speak Truth.
All the devas are called asuras in the oldest parts of rigvrda
Also
Gods in Sanskrit are pronounced deva
What you are pronouncing is devaa which would be goddess not god
Same thing with all the other Sanskrit words with a at the end
Its just a very very short a and not a full aaa
So it would be rigveda, asura, indra and so on and not rigvedaa, asuraaa and indraaa like you say
Thank you!
What's the source for that moon painting at the very start of the video?
That's my own creation.
Probably AI generated
@@Crecganford Oh, damn. I was not aware you were so multitalented, but it looks dope af.
Since bringing down the biggest prey possible, without the hunter being taken out of commission too, would have been a universal starting point - tales of various types and local relevance, would have sourced “giants as supply”. With some of these giants being wooly rhinos, cave bears and mammoths, a good tale would be widen open for a new “actor” to take the part. Middle eastern countries may have had a cultural past with African fauna as source.
Im a little confused why you are so certain that the near eastern myths influenced the proto-Indo-Europeans and not the other way around. Also, maybe I misheard, but how do you say that Indo-Iranian religion is not directly Indo-European? Zoroastrianism was reformation of Indo-Iranian religion, itself, virtually indistinguishable from Indo-Aryan religion. I feel like there are some chronological issues here. We don’t see the “near eastern” serpent and Tiamat myth until after the arrival of the Babylonians, Kassites and Amorites. The Amorites came from a home in the northern Syrian steppe, which is quite near to the Hittites/Luwians/Anatolians. I think using “agricultural vs pastoral” is a really slippery way to organize these ideas that really miss the specificities of the chronology of REAL movements of people and language.
Because I was speaking about the Indo-European myths, and so it would be hard to say there is Indo-European in Agricultural myths whilst referring to them. I do mention there could be influence the other way in some myths, and will talk about this more in a future video.
@@Crecganford quite fair. I appreciate your work and sorry for coming across argumentative. I study this stuff from a slightly different angle and what I’ve found-and really what I believe we will come to find out for sure in the future-is the Indo-European influence into the near East is both stronger and earlier than we have been led to believe. Again, just my educated opinion, but I know I until I make my own video laying out by argument it is just that, an opinion, but I believe our cultural obsession with Judaism/Christianity/Islam and the Bible has severely impacted the study of the Bronze world, so much so, that “biblical scholars” have set the agenda for 1000+ years that is biased towards near eastern origins because that, to them, “proves” the Bible is “True”. Setting aside the direction of influence, I think we can both agree that Biblical “scholars” have had an immense impact on not only chronology but also, interpretation of archaeological finds.
@@Crecganford just to add: there are many reasons why I feel strongly about the long comment I just made, but just to say, I recently finished “Indo-European and Hebrew Epic” by Cyrus Gordon and “Unburning Fame: horses, dragons, beings of smoke and other indo European motifs in Ugarit and the Hebrew Bible” by Ola Wikander and both make strong arguments for an Indo-European AND Hurrian origin for much of the Ugaritic stories, which we know played a large role in the formation of the Old Testament. AND, it is quite clear to the non biased observed that the Indo-Iranian Persians played a large role if not the central role in the formation/writing of the Old Testament (Ezra the Persian quite literally was the key here, and the the Hebrew covenant is also quite similar if not the same to the vassal treaties of Assyrian and later Persian colonies. There is a reason Cyrus is spoken of so highly. Also, Ugur was a plague deity that was not only seen as the same as Nergal, Reshef, Apaliunas/Apeljon, but also, the Vedic Rudra who had an epithet of Ugra. I don’t think this is a coincidence that we get Ugarit at a time period where there was a heavy indo-European influence in the near East/Northwest Syria. Then there is the question of the Canaanites, who are quite clearly Hurrian, Amoritic, and had a sizable portion of indo-European “Sea Peoples”.
@@godskingssages4724 Word Ugór in polish literally means dead soil not giving yield 😉
I also believe he wrongly look for common origin in Scandinavian division of Gods with Vedic division that happened much later after division of Aryas in IranoIndia much like schism in Islam happened (nomen omen because of Iranians 😂)
there was also a big difference between beliefs of early Indoeuropeans before they left eurosteppe and became Corded Ware culture on forest-steppe border creating a new cultural package adapted to new climatic conditions and vs third phase of conquering rest of Europe reaching with avantgarde Frisia and redefining cult of horse and cart into boat riding on sea
plus the end phase when in perifery they mixed more evenly with different folks without imposing full package on others rather changing themselves
If we think that all ancient people a religious in Eliade sense, so they are not doing anything which is not reflected in the religion and their religion cannot have anything which is not a part of their life. Which means that the time (10.5k ybp) and place (iranean plateau) is the place and culture where the first myth featuring cows could appear and spread with those cows receiving localisations along the way.
Thank you teach us more please sir?
the Indian culture and the European culture seems to have one of their respective god pairs with an etymological connection and the other not so much. I would think that the Aesir are the ones that would be the PIE folks and the other god group the group that lived in the region originally.
I liked this video. I don’t agree with the sun disappearing as being agricultural in origin. The sun disappears in the west every day and rises in the east. That’s where the death and rebirth cycle came from. Solar agricultural interests in seasons and yearly renewal came later.
great point
and there was moon too
did you know 27.5 day of moon cycle is also suns internal rotation cycle too? 😉
I can imagine a conflict beginning between with the the agriculturalists protecting their crops from the pastoralists wanting to graze their animals. This was a matter of survival so could have been seen the basis of their cultures.
some were cutting trees to create grasslands others where firing them to farm there 😉
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4:40 There is a mirror to this story in Avesta. Ahuras are benevolent and Divas are evil. Wouldn’t that mean this myth is associated with something far more recent?
I'm a dumabass but personally I think that civilizations gravitate towards maslows heiarchy of needs and everytime we restart at "base instincts" (sex, drugs, violence) we learn from our mistakes and make myths about the wisdom we gained.
that's very narrow minded point of view
violent steppe warriors were completely cultured with full religious system behind their ways
it never collapsed
believes collapsed much faster in farming societies because of overcrowding and many years in line of droughts and starvation
cities altered their beliefs much faster and that's where all the sects were starting
plus politisation of religions creating forced centralisation and conversions of people with naturally different beliefs of own tribe
Is there a particularly high correlation between a tough fit regarding a god taking on a new or additional role, and dreams? Balder’s story made me ask.
But Near Eastern culture was extremely slim as part of the DNA percentage in Northern Europe. Why would it permeate Slavic and Nordic myth so much then?
And what of the Western Hunter Gatherer religions? Perhaps some of these could have originated from them instead, as its hard to tell, and also hard to tell exactly when different ideas entered a culture or area.
Thank you for the feedback, perhaps some of my explanations about these points were not clear, and so I will make another video explaining this more.
what were beliefs of Globular Amfora folks
who both reached as far as steppe and got integrated by corded ware wave intruding to Western Europe Exactly through their territories 😉
it's not like they didn't trade with Greeks Tracians and not sailed on black sea
The entire Mythology explains in Picture and Stories of how the Soul never dies and how we as Humans go from this World into the other, the Underworld. Zeus is the Creating Force. Myth has nothing to do with Agriculture, just as Agriculture is similar than Human reproduction. Zeus and Ceres is not the Grain or Cereal, but the Human seed, which is similar.
What cultural ideas could have originated from Neanderthals?
I'm not sure we will ever be able to tell.
you can bet they sailed before we moved out from Africa...
Why is this video not getting views?
This has confused me too :(
@@Crecganford it may be getting shadow banned because of some bad words (according to YT) I just checked your channel in routine and found this upload, didn't get the notification.
I like the idea that some of these clash of gods could be historical in the sense that it reflects one CULTURE taking over another (as opposed to the notion that there was some kind of historical event they based it on). Very interesting.
Like the idea f Faery Folks being tiny thus representing the dwindled original population of British Islands after the invasions.
could it be said these Various Being's identified by The Elders as gods were likely family group's? Even these Indo-European's.
How many pantheons under the belief of polythestic worship existed.
I came across this name won't lie about it out of Enoch The Prophet of Old (Enoch Pre-Flood), Enoch 1 chapter 60 Fragment of The Book of Noah.
Three name's caught my attention.
1.baraqiel/baraqel/baraquiel baal his name in Hebrew mean "Lightening Giver", and I've seen this name spelled three different ways still mean "Lightening Giver".
2. SATAL in Hebrew/in Greek ATLAS
3. Read this name since I was a child (and learned how too Read), Ur Land of The Chaldees in Genesis and later once I found out it existed Jubilees.
Ur is where all the action seemed to be taking place Pre-Flood Era/Post-Flood Era in Ancient Sumeria; The whole Mesopotamia.
Then while watching a whole other Ytube video on The 8 King's that ruled over Sumeria.
I think it's possible Gilgamesh was one of those King's that ruled 209,000 Year's? I can be for certain but, a 3rd name of a Fallen Watcher Angel is Urukibal where Ur is derived from and perhaps Urukibal is Gilgamesh's Father Pre-Flood Era.
Nimrod I'm sure of was named after Him; after Gilgamesh.
Which goes back too my original question could these gods whom The Elders taught about through Oral History have been made up of Family Group's/& or Family Sub-group's like Those 8 King's that ruled over Sumeria at one Time become pantheons?
It would answer
It's easy to see there may be a rewrite that can occur suddenly in a generation of two. Today we get to see that happen, especially with the Catholic sect, how the beliefs can be totally changed in a very short time. Then of course will come the change in the whole story. We can assume there was a process or someone used reasoning to alter the story, but as we are witnessing, it may just come from out of the blue.
the same in puritan sects after reformation completely changing original sense of bible ignoring not convenient lines LOL
Oh me oh my
What myths from the Indo-Europeans have roots tracing back into Africa? Do we know?
African mythology would have spread to Asia and Siberia before heading back into Europe, and so there is no real clear lineage without looking at specific myths. I have shown that the creation myth with the Earth Diver, the Tree of Life, Immortality and Death, and the Dragon myths all seems to have come from Africa though, and versions ended up in Europe.
With PIE and later IE cultures being so deeply rooted in paternal ancestry, and this paternal ancestral component ultimately deriving from ANE and Siberian Hunter Gathers, with Haplogroup R and its split - and with the populations forming PIE being a mixture of Western,Eastern, and Caucas Hunter Gathers - why state the EEF population moved into the Black Sea region and a bit later the PIE culture pops up? This seems quite misleading, especially in the context of the myths as this would indicate that the IE expansion, already shown to be rooted in paternal founder effects, would suddenly get rid of their cultural root (cult), which was paternal in its origin story.
Certainly mixing occurred in IE, but the idea of the "origin" being the near east, seems to align to the falsehoods Harvard has been trying to promote. Especially when we consider the lack of evidence to confirm that Corded Ware came from Yamnaya - it seems erroneous to claim blanket statements such as those in this video about IE.
Still Yamnaya gives a clue about preCordedWare beliefs
to then understand what Corded Ware became and how it changed after flooding rest of Europe
influence of Globular Amfora can't be ignored too
I also think Scandinavia because of different quite isolated conditions isn't very representative to what happened with IE culture evolution everywhere else south from it 😉
both gradients West east and North South are of similar importance with different specifics plus effects of reconvergence with postyamnaya not wiped by corded ware earlier
One of my favorite as strange facts is that the Zoroastrian and vedic religions worship eachothers deamons
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it's wrong
Vedic Devas and Asuras division came to be later after division in vedic culture where Avesta went different way than Vedas
when isolated Scandinavia continued old beliefs keeping old system Aryans were migrating and changing with time on very wide area encountering completely different cultures
there are completely different conditions
to compare this way you need to prove this division of Gods existing earlier on their path as far as their origin and first contact with farming cultures
I do have many videos going into detail of changes and evolution.
The concept of a horned god comes from the Paleolithic.
I'm not of aware of evidence to prove this as fact, but will happily read any academic peer-reviewed references you have stating otherwise.
Im sorry but I usually find your videos pretty good, but this was lacking.
No problem, it has repeated much of what I have already spoken about in the past, but the idea is that this is also a marker for future videos which will refer to it.
Hey Crecganford, have you ever heard of the Joy of Satan? They have a lot of information regarding the original Gods and how to get closer to them
What crap!
also Iranians and hindus have it flipped. in Iranian ahura are good skygods, in hindu its the Devis, but the hindus used to worship the ahura, but for some reason the ground god Devis became good
Iranians (as well as Sumerians) as usual going own way 😂 they did the same with Islam 😂😂😂
I can't wait to see what Afganis gonna blow up in future after a few decades of very high natural growth 😂
better to stay away from this region 😂
they are as stubborn as Nordics 😂
hey genius, Iranians and hindu Vedics both have asuras ahuras Devi Daeva
he chose bad examples for theory that may be true
sweet-and-sour