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Amtrak Maple Leaf Full Record: Toronto to New York City by 13-hour train (Detour Bonus)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2024
- This video is about my Amtrak Maple Leaf train from Toronto, ON to New York, NY in Thanksgiving.
The train was having a detour in Toronto on November 25. Detailed info transit.toronto.on.ca/archive...
Quick links:
Detour begins: 2:29
Detour ends: 3:45
Oakville, ON: 4:45
St Catherines, ON: 5:45
Niagara Falls, ON: 6:26
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BOARDER CROSSING and Niagara Falls, NY: 7:30
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Buffalo Exchange, NY (1952): 13:00
Buffalo Depew, NY: 13:54
Rochester, NY: 14:28
Syracuse, NY: 15:00
Schenectady, NY: 15:35
Albany-Rensselaer, NY and Locomotive Change: 16:22
Poughkeepsie, NY: 18:50
New York-Penn, NY: 19:00
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When I rode this one way back in 2007, the border guys would enter the train and we didn't need to exit and get back on again.
Check out my comment below in the comments section!
Thank you so much for showing the outside ride of the train. Didn't know the train actually stops in Niagara Falls, sounds like a trip I will be taking. After this pandemic goes away- darn pandemic slowing everything up!
That’s an incredibly nice trip along the Hudson once you’re below Poughkeepsie.
thanks so much. I've taken this trip many times, but that 2 hour stop in Niagara Falls is deadly!
Are you sure Niagara Falls is still alive?
Niagara Falls, New York is the most derelict and run down city in the state. No idea where is the most derelict and run down town or Village in New York State is. Thank you Democrats!
That detour was due to large track and bridge work between Ex and Mimico Station. took that detour many's times on the weekend go train trips.
A trip I'll be taking in a couple of days :) (RT, NY-Toronto-NY).
I'm familiar with doing so by Greyhound to Montreal, so this'll be a first, at least by train. Last time I flew :)
I can tell thats Western New York just by the look of it, im from there and live the other side Lake Erie from Welland ON. The Buffalo Amtrak station is Exchange Street Station
Why did they divert up the CPR main to Kipling and down the Industrial siding at Campa?
I noticed that quite a few stations in New York had raised platforms. The Schenectady station was rebuilt but raised platforms were not installed .
I remember those days going to Canada and north Carolina on the trains it was a fun experience.🇧🇧🙏
barbados
Wonderful video
Great video. I know the area. Thanks for sharing. Joe
There used to be a direct Amtrak/VIA train from Chicago to Toronto, but I understand that service was shut down some time ago. I wonder, however, if it would be possible to take an Amtrak train from Chicago to Detroit or Port Huron, MI, then a bus/taxi/ferry across the border, then a VIA train from Windsor or Sarnia, ON to Toronto? That method would seem more comfortable than a direct Greyhound bus over that route, and less time-consuming than Amtrak Chicago-NYC + Amtrak/VIA NYC-Toronto.
Absolutely. Looks great
Love this video
Michael, do you live in Canada or United States? Do you have relatives or friends who live in New York? I wanted to take a train trip from Ottawa via Montreal to New York, but my father would not let me. He thinks that it is best to go to New York by bus with an organized group. However, I definitely do not want to go to United States with the cases of coronavirus being so high there. Have they cancelled train trips from Toronto or Montreal to New York because the Canada and U.S. Border are closed for unessential travel?
3:09 those are the Kitchener/Milton lines, not the Barrie line. Otherwise, great video! I'd love to try this route sometime.
I totally agree! Barrie goes north! Great video though. Even I'd consider taking the train if I had a need to go to NY.
Northeast Ohio to Toronto Canada by car six and a half hours. The same trip on Air Canada is less than one hour ( Cleveland Hopkins Airport 2 Toronto Pearson Airport). The same trip using Amtrak takes about 10 and 1/2 hours because you have to go through customs.
It's too bad that we can't have a HSR line between New York and Toronto.
Why couldn't you? It only needs political will and quite some investment. If the line were built via Albany NY, the stretch from there to NYC might also be used for HSR to Montreal. Toronto - NYC would be possible within 3 hours, Montreal - NYC within 2,5 hours, provided the tracks allow for at least 300 km/h (186 miles/h). Be wise, not pessimistic!
@@wouterpaap9343, our leaders don't seem to care for trains, as this satirical commercial shows:
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@@Neville60001 That video is blocked in the US.
Easier to drive the NY Thruway, or just fly via YTZ to EWR
1 word . csx and union pacific feel that they are above everyone else , we had a fight to get hsr in california but it was severly cut back. but this was approved by the voters.
I live in the Buffalo area and the Depew station is the closet of the two Buffalo stations for me
last time i stopped in DePew-2ft snowdrifts-1.75 m snowdrifts !
What a civilised way to travel.
They dont have check points from canada to new york???
Hey! Where could you get your tickets? And do you travel by couch class?
You can buy them online.
Train is a nice way to travel if you have lots of free time and want to make it part of your trip. Much slower than air travel of course and all of these stops along the way can add up. We need a good intercity express like in Europe and Asia.
Does this stops at Buffalo Depew station ?
Maybe someone can help me with this question..... just to be clear so I understand..... Did you actually get on a different train once you went through customs in Niagara Falls? Thanks for your help!
Are meals provided? Like in airplanes?
You didn't like the train ride?
That is such a long train trip from Canada to the USA
Would you say the view is better on the left side of the train or the right side? I want to take this trip.
Left 100%
Is it the same exact train when you cross the border.... Or is there a different train waiting for you at USA border?
How much was a one way ticket?
Train Montreal to NYC is 10 hrs (with 2 hour stop at border) and so much cheaper than TO to NYC. Can't wait until they set up pre-clearance at Montreal station. Will cut travel time.
Always good to hear 'La Langue Maternal et Official du Union International du Chemain de Fer. [UIC]' being used. And that Engineering detours are the same on Amtrak/VIA as on SNCF/ SNCB-NMBS and Network Rail! - I did this journey in October 2000. I remember the Canadian bit was easy but the service at the US Border an absolute pain in the arse with rude and judgemental border staff despite being from a country that is the US's biggest ally in global politics and trade and that back then I had my Tourist/Business Visa for 30 days pre-issued by the US consulate in London. - why I prefer visiting Canada these days. less hassle. Pity as I have lots of track bashing and tourist plans for North East Corridor.
As long as you have no criminal record, you'll get into the USA well, although the behavior of USINS officials is abominable. The reason for the 'delay' is because of the perception that Canada was where the 9/11 terrorists came through, therefore what friendly open border(s) we had no longer exist.
How much does customs go over your personal carry on bag, when you stop at the Amtrak station in Niagara Falls, NY?
They dont go thru your stuff.
@@nycdude111, that's great to hear.
They will go through it if they feel they need to. I was taken in for secondary search and questioning on the Amtrak Cascades route on the west coast!
Sorry to hear you want to fly, next time? Taking a train, the test way to travel. You enjoy points in between; not just pass over. Amtrak, The Only Way To Travel!!
13 hour train ride vs 1 hour flight plus maybe a couple hours commuting to airport.
Bk6346 no offense but I rather commute by train than commute by airport
Do u got i94 valid upto 6 month?
Croton Harmon Metro-North Station to the Bronx spuyten duyvil the train would run Express tracks because you have Metro-North electric trains trains to Grand Central on the local track south of Croton-Harmon. The reason to why you got a Duo mode locomotive from Albany to Penn Station is that diesel locomotives are allowed in Penn Station only in emergency
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0:02 Must be a Sunday... the Gardiner is NEVER moving that fast at 0643
When Amtrak crosses the border into America, are they running on CSX then switch over to metro north?
It's CSX on the Niagara, Belt, Buffalo Terminal, Rochester, Rochester Terminal and Mohawk subdivisions out to Schnectady, where Amtrak takes over until Poughkepsie where Metro-North is picked up
@@gleepythehen Thanks! I thought I saw some familiar CSX No Trespassing signs lol
Albany Depew is where half of the train departs for Boston and the rest goes to NYC.
That is too bad that next time you'll fly. You need to know what to expect when riding the train, especially trains in the US and Canada where the railroad infrastructure does not at all match the high-speed rail networks found in Europe and Asia. While there's no reason that the US and Canada can't have such infrastructure and no excuse that they don't at present doesn't necessarily make taking the train in these countries bad. Riding a train, whether fast or slow, is the greenest and most environment-friendly way to travel as trains move more people at one time than busses, planes, or cars do and taking the train offers great views of towns and locales you very well might not be able to see from a highway. And, you also can't see a country of get an idea of its landscape if you fly over it on a plane. And, as I am sure you won't be able to dispute, the seat you sat in on Amtrak is far more comfortable than any bus or plane or even car seat you've ever been in.
Virgin Trans/Brightline in Florida is World Class!
@@bodyloverz30 Except for all the accidents 20 plus and many people killed,plus recently the locomotive damaged because it hit a Masarati and killed the driver,oh thats right its not the fault of Virgin/Brightline,lol.Watch when that train causes a big train wreck then they will do something,like when the Amtrak hit a fuel truck at 62st stuck on the tracks a long time ago.
@@porkfied I mean the gates go down and dumbasses still try to beat the train. It really isnt the railroads fault, stupidity and natural selection its finest
@@tibbers3755 You are right very true,but you know the FEC freight train uses the same tracks and I have never heard of accidents from that train,when I saw that Brightline/Virgin train going really fast in Pompano beach a while ago I could not believe it going so fast in a populated dense area,like I say already a locomotive damaged .This will never end until there is a major accident.Richard Branson invested money into that system if I had that kind of money I would sure as shit would do something about these accidents .
@@porkfied , that train, like any other, has a right to be at whatever fucking speed it wants to be; the people getting killed were most likely anti-train people opposed to Virgin Brightline who believe that they can do what they like on train tracks. It is _not_ the company's fault if they break the rules, so quit spewing bullshit about Virgin Brightline being bad.
We did this two years ago when immigration and Customs were done at Buffalo. They took our orange off us after the sniffer dog found it!
Not gonna lie that sounds kinda hot
Is there a Global Entry kiosk at Niagara Falls station?
Not from what CBP agents told me when I went in for my NEXUS card interview in a building seen just as the train approached the Niagara Falls, NY station
Great video! What was the reason for changing locomotives?
the new loco has electric pickup shoes for the third rail inside the tunnel to NYC Penn Station, that way they can shut off the diesel and not suffocate everybody.
Don’t they usually keep the same locomotive tho the whole route ? Thought the ones from penn stayed with it. I know to Chicago they normally do
@@scott5055 There is always a locomotive change at Albany-Albany-Rensselaer because from a mile or so North of Penn station the locomotive's diesel engine is off and power comes from a shoe riding on top of a third rail. The Amtrak Northeast corridor from Boston to Washington uses the over head catanery. The Locomotive is a P32AC-DM (DM = Dual Mode). The Long Island Railroad uses the similar DM locomotives for use in/out of Penn Station.
Dennis V Sinclair gotcha. Did they change it to a p42? Thought they just kept the p32 on it the whole time.
I took the Maple Leaf from NYC to Toronto recently. Pro tip is to invest in business class seats instead of coach-as you'll have the choice of single or double seats, will be next to the cafe car if you want to get up and sit/work somewhere else, complimentary drinks (coffee) and are closer to the restroom. It's a beautiful trip as you'll go across the Whirpool Rapids, the Mohawk River, and the Hudson Valley during certain stretches.
How much is a business class ticket?
@@Neville60001 It was $33 on top of the base fare. I paid $320 round trip but I got my tix last minute (like 3 weeks before).
Customs used to board the train and slowly walk through front to back and back to front to process everyone...
In Old Canada and Old America when they were normal countries before the liberals took over.
Apparently you didn't need a passport before, you could just drive over I heard
hopefully I will take this route one day :)
first New York City - Washington DC is coming up though :D
Boston to Washington DC thru New York City and Philadelphia already exists. Acela. America is NOT going to build a newer rail line along this corridor, the rest of the nation would refuse to fund it.
Good video. However the captions could stay on screen a bit longer so one can read them calmly. 2 hours stop at the US border? Way too long. That should go quicker.
Post-9/11, I'm actually surprised it's not longer.
Good journey. I think trains in US or Canada is much more interesting compared with Japan, still operating a lot of long distance train with sleeping cars. In japan most of them were replaced by HSR and now regular train with sleeping cars are Sunrise Izumo / Seto only.
Too bad you have to wait 2 hours at customs. It used to be less than hour and you don't go out.
The United States is responsible for that, having suspected Canada of being where the 9/11 terrorists came through.
The Amtrack service from Vancouver clears immigration and customs in the station. The train stops briefly at the border while heads are counted and passports given the once over but no people or luggage leaves the train.
I am tired of those Amfleet coaches
When will they replace them with the Siemens Charger
The siemens charger is a locomotive, not a coach car.
@@exportgold3339 I actually meant the Siemens Viaggio Comfort coaches
My Mistake...
@@alexanderip1003 Oh ok, I have not heard about those my bad.
I wouldn’t be able to handle that trip I’d turn mod!!!
You can drive it in 8 hours. Amtrak is painfully slow.
Albany NY to Savannah GA takes 36 hours
You can drive it in 17
It might even be slower than me
Nobody using trains like this are in it for the fastest mode of transportation. It's about the experience, and I mean that. Its seeing the landscape passing alongside you, rather than flying over it and missing all the details. It's the fact you get to go from one downtown right into the other downtown without any airplane shuttles requiring you to take extra time to get to the downtown core.
Thanks for your narration along the trip.I am embarrassed for my country's poor rail travel. Our infrastructure is crumbling and our Congress can't seem to get its act together. I have been a fan of railroad travel for decades now. In the US we have little if any comparison with Europe and Eastern Asia.
Blame the neocons who elect other retrogressive neocons like Reagan, Bush, Bush Jr., and Trump to high office; you have to defeat them if you want any change in the United States.
Canada has shit rail too
@@oussematrabelsi9429 how soo
John Miller Carter, Clinton and Obama did nothing as well.
@@timothysmith7436, excuse me? Obama _tried_ to do this (nyulocal.com/obama-outlines-high-speed-rail-plans-789ddca8324d) but was defeated by neocons in Congress and the Senate.
Amtrak even goes to Canada??
3 Amtrak lines go to Canada:
Maple Leaf (NYC to Toronto)
Adirondack (NYC to Montreal)
Cascades (Portland, Oregon to Vancouver, BC)
The Border Crossing between West- and East Germany in the cold war was easyer as between US and Canada. Too bad. I can't understand.
Exactly what I thought. I crossed the BRD to DDR border when it still existed in the late 80s. And i crossed the border between Canada and the United States 2018. It's a waste of time.
We're expecting the same in the UK if Brexit :( ever gets done. Used to wait over two hours on the German/Polish borders (both East and Unified Germany) when going to my wife's family before Poland joined the EU.
@@casimirkonrad9590, this situation is because of the United States thinking that the 9/11 terrorists came into the U.S. through Canada.
Why French leaving Toronto?
They need to put a HSR train on this route. It take way too long
i live by the large water tower! :D
Stations and trains seem very uncrowded (even empty) compared with here in the UK.
Hugh Rainbird true
That's because not many people travel by train in North America like they do in the UK and the EU, Hugh.
Trains in America are economical for hauling freight, not so for carrying passengers. I believe it's the same in Europe. The difference is that there is political support for substantial subsidies to keep passenger rail viable in Europe. Such is not the case in North America, where - especially in the West - large swaths of uninhabited or sparsely inhabited land separate large cities. In fact, Mexico all but abandoned intercity passenger rail many years ago &, AFAIK, never looked back. The U.S. & Canada may eventually follow suit.
@@decline2state There is SOME profit in rail lines in the densely populated parts of the United States. Amtrak actually makes a profit in the Boston-Washington routes. Here in Canada the Montreal-Windsor stuff breaks even, but your right outside the most densely populated areas, rail travel in North America loses substantial amounts of money.
Except Penn Station. Go there on a Friday afternoon in the summer. It’s absolute chaos.
This is bleak and depressing.....but somehow fascinating at the same time ! Weird..?
St. Catherines, birthplace of Linda Evangelista
wasn't she in porn?
I took that train part way to Syracuse NY in 2000. It is interesting that the crossing at Niagara NY still seems to take forever. In 2000 we could stay on the train, but even then it required customs to go through the train with dogs and query each and every one of us, while freight train after freight train passed us by without seeming to stop. I have gone through friendly borders on a Eurailpass with much less of a hassle.
Do you wonder why it was necessary to change one GE genesis engine for another that looked just like it in Albany?
The route into Penn Station needs a special version of that engine, one that can access the third rail electric supply for the tunnel sections shutting off the diesel engine there.
Paul, this is why you have to start pressuring your senator/congressperson to get things back to what it was _prior_ to 9/11, so that Canadians and Americans can travel between the U.S. & Canada without all of this CYA (Cover Your Ass)* security theater bullshit.
*/www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/cya_security_1.html
I've taken that train too. How many people actually board the train after it either leaves Toronto or New York?
Wouldn't it be easier to have pre-boarding clearance like airports or at least have customs agents board the train either at St. Catharines (for New York-bound trains) or Buffalo (for Toronto-bound trains) and do a "walk-through"?
I'm betting that the whole thing could be done with no delay at the border.
What do you think?
@@jimbobogie8204 there are stops at other cities on both sides of the border, with passengers both boarding and getting off; pre-boarding clearance at Toronto and NYC would mean eliminating those stops. On the American side there is another service between NYC and Niagara Falls, NY, but AFAIK, Toronto to Niagara Falls, ON, only has limited seasonal weekend service (at least, that was the case last time I went there).
What's the average speed ?
B JL about 50-90mph
We don't have HSR, and many not get it for a while, because neocons don't want to pay taxes to build anything like a HSR line.
B JL Au canada et au usa les trains de passagers roule en moyenne 100km/h avec des pointes a 160 km/h sur les grandes lignes. Mais plusieurs secteurs ferroviaires sont montagneux ou roule sur des routes secondaires donc a une vitesse variant entre 30 et 65 km/h
Where was the CBP - TSA molesting????
That bridge that carries the road over tracks as you entered the US customs around 9:45 mark is now gone! They tore that crap down.
Why?
Not sure but probably because it was a big ass bridge, cost lots to maintain and Niagara Falls US is a dump with no money to spend. And there is a road underneath anyway so now they just use that. I think at one time they expected more traffic.
It's too bad Amtrak goes to Penn; it has nothing on arriving at GCT.
TJ Cassidy When penn is closed it will go to GCT. I have taken an Amtrak into GCT
1:00 What that sign really says is "since the US thinks Canada is under the grip of reefer madness because Canada legalized recreational use, US Customs has a boner for laws that have been around for ever in their country so therefore we've taken it upon ourselves to remind you not to pack weed even though you already know that".
We're so lame over here in the U.S.
17:28 hey nice you got a heritage unit (I think)
Yep that’s a heritage unit!
I believe that the locomotive was wearing the Empire Service paint scheme
That’s not a heritage unit you fools, it’s the standard scheme for the empire locos
Geez, thought it was one, no need to call us fools!!!!
Wow, Ok then.
While the rest of the world are using mono rail speed trains, USA and Canada are still using locomotives that move areund at a speed of an adult turtle.
Interesting but please explain more for overseas viewers.
You have to go through a long process now when you (as a Canadian) cross the Canada/U.S. border; this is because of the American government's perception that Canada was where the 9/11 terrorists came from.
The US government is paranoid that everybody's eager to sneak in and move to the USA permanently. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
After all that ... Penn Station - the final insult.
It is really a giant subway station with multiple tracks and platforms for NJ Transit, Long Island Railroad, and Amtrak.
For international railroad travelers, every train station should have airport-style immigration/Customs & Border Protection. That becomes international arrivals.
They do at Nigeria Falls, NY/OT
@@deltatv3525 ON*
Frick
I was considering taking this for a future trip to North America, but honestly 13 hours is rough... think I might fly 😅
Imagine traveling 13 hours and arriving in Penn Station. Rough. #rebuild Pennsylvania Station
That should be "bumpy," not "bumby."(12:38)
I kind of like "bumby!"
Unless a person is a train travel enthusiast, I don’t understand why anyone would take a train from Toronto to NYC. Easier, faster to fly.
This is sad to watch...I’ll just hop on the plane for the 45 minutes flight. Way too many stops and detours for such a short distance.
Compared to Europe, China and Japan, North American inter-city passenger rail service is in the Stone Age. There's been talk about a high speed train between Toronto & Montreal. It won't happen. Why? All new track would be needed at a cost of billions of dollars. So, we're stuck on snail trains.
Terrible weather!
Bumby train
Guess u took the train on the wrong day..lol
No, he didn't.
This train is so slow
Naser Ehsaan slower than your mom probably
Train or plane to New York?...-Plane of course...
u bannot spell or peak anglish swell
Done Montreal New York for 25. Years ..three time a year...the worst company Amtrak...the worst train...
Looks like you were herded through the trip like "cattle". No thanks, I'll fly!
Yeah, in airports they treat you like gods...
@Mr Briggs There is nothing glamorus about flying.
Amtrak is the worst Train system in the world,the amount of long stops is over bearing,and they don't tell you about them,not counting detours i mean,terrible system,and so far behind a lot of the world.
AMTRACK sucks- antiquated, dirty, running on old lines where freight has priority. No wonder train travel is a bad joke in the US.
In Canada, the rail lines are owned by CN or CP, depending on which route, so their freight trains take priority over passenger trains.
More french,..jesus,....nobody pass Quebec speaks french,...jesus....
Sorry but is so poor!
2 long and boring trip.....
Its a beautiful train ride in summer along the Hudson river.
Stefan, that is why the vast majority of travelers will go by plane, bus, or car.
Traveling by bus and car is even worse (more boring) especially if you take the NYS Thruway.
What an ordeal-crossing a river? Ever heard of Schengen way of crossing borders.13 hrs ?Washington,D.C.to Chicago-14 hrs and longer distance ! Same with Chicago-NYC ! The way this goes-HSR-will take hundreds no thousands of years to implement.China will be taking passengers to PLUTO-and beyond ! Good Grief !
This is because of American suspicions about the 9/11 terrorists having come into the USA by way of Canada. Write to the U.S. government and complain.
Really all you've done is sat on your backside stuck your camera to the window to treat us some very bleak winter landscapes, do you actually eat money doing, don't even know what the train looks like please could these trips come with a warning so I don't waste my time.
So rude! He's just sharing his time on a train. Unlike your ungrateful ass, I appreciate his video because it's one of the only ones I can find about the Maple Leaf on TH-cam.