When did the burn in start? After 10 hours? You claimed to have tested the screen during the 100 day testing period. When did you see the first signs of burn in? This is vital information.
Think the problem is that they only tested on 1 display. By switching the displayed image to check for burn in, it is effectively no longer displaying being tested, so they shold probably have like 10 laptops that are exposed to different amount of times. But i really don't think its an issue for everyday issue agreeing TheTastefulThickness
You are grossly overthinking this. Burn in is NOT an issue if you're using a laptop as normal. It only becomes a problem if the panel never switches off and you're on the same content.
There is no "OLED screen flickering", you are talking about DC dimming vs PWM dimming, and some screen manufacturers really hate you and use low frequency PWM dimming.
Same. My phone and laptop are oled. I use them a lot but i use reasonable brightness unlike some people who keep their devices max brightness even during the night which i find dumb.
I was always a little worried about OLED until I realised that most people's phones are OLED and it's not like people constantly talk about it. Also, somebody had a Switch OLED running for like 3 years and it had no visible burn-in at all.
I'm on my 2nd tablet, first laptop, TV-screen, 3rd phone and 3rd watch with OLED. All no burn in. Forgot about the USB-cable that shows voltage, also OLED screen :P
Does the burn in matter? No. Same thing with the number of times a flash cell / block can be written. Now it is < 10k, but there are ways of mitigating it (called an SSD). You would not buy a hard disk because of this, *right*?
@@owlstead Your example makes little to no sense. Wear and tear is expected of any product. The concerning aspect of an OLED monitor is regarding how soon that wear comes. Hard drives last for years. People have been getting burn in after a few months. I love OLED on my phone and TV, but it's not ready for desktop use. If I can't work 8+ hours for my work day, or just in general have to worry about things like hiding the task bar, that is not acceptable. If your case is just use it for media and gaming...that's fine, but that's not what desktop use is for the vast majority of people.
@@livedreamsg For now we've got one user that indicated having burn in on a monitor who ran it at 800 NITS or so. I'm not convinced that burn in is such an issue, especially not on modern screens. That said, for coding a deep black IPS display is certainly fine (and I'm not about to replace my Dell U2515 screens anytime soon).
One reason might be that a good screensaver distributes the load over the whole screen while still clearly signaling that the computer is active. But, yeah, not a good reason for me personally. I prefer to turn the display off completely.
@@randy89555 You don't need to hide the taskbar, the amount of times you'll be playing full screen videos, gaming and other things like that will mean your taskbar won't burn in. Go OLED and enjoy peak screen quality.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Yes, in brightly lit areas this is true. But don't forget that OLED has really good contrast, and that's one way of enhancing readability.
OLED haters: burn-in with OLED is a huge problem for everyone. I'm just gonna use older tech screens, which can also burn in. (The millions of owners of OLED laptops who never complained are just OLED fanboys.)
Been using an Oled laptop since 2021 . OLED's were new to laptops then . Haven't come across this issue though . Probably will never occur for an average normal user . Never used dark mode or Screensaver though. Used to shutdown laptop and close it when not in use .. Probably that helps
Same! Had one since 2022, no burn in at all! And I'm a somewhat heavy user as well. But I just shut it down at night and use dark mode since its easier on my eyes.
OLED is a no go for anything but a phone for me because of this. I don't want to modify how I use my devices like with hiding taskbars or disabling my wallpaper, and I plan on using all my devices for YEARS before replacing them. I'd rather just have the peace of mind of not worrying about burning in my expensive purchase.
Don't forget that the burn-in on OLED in these tests appeared only after 3 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF DISPLAYING A BRIGHT, STATIC IMAGE! Now consider in what scenario this could ever happen on your desktops or laptops with OLED displays - essentially never. There's a higher chance that your place of residence suffers a short electrical outage that will power off your desktop than it is for you to somehow leave a desktop monitor with a static image for this long. And for laptops, this problem is non-existent. There are so many variations in color of the content you browse daily, that the pixels are effectively refreshing every day.
How many years? IMO if it does happen its usually very subtle likely and won't bother you. For me a subtly burn in OLED still beats the image quality of a brand new LCD every time.
I understand this test was to see whether oled burn-in can occur but a follow up should be a long-term examination on whether oled burn-in can occur with regular/typical usage. Rtings is doing such with oled TVs for example. Also, some manufacturers include features such as pixel refresh or oled burn-in protection. Was this feature available on the tested laptop & if so was it turned off? How are the results affected if that feature is turned on?
Honestly, for me, it is just not worth the hassle. Sure, the risk of burn-in has decreased in modern OLED screens, but the potential alone is enough for me to always feel the need to baby my screen. And that is not what I want to do with a tool that is meant for work or enjoyment.
if ur line of thinking is like this, u r missing out! thats all im gonna say. just got a spectre 14 and if i could, id wank to its screen for how good it looks compared to my other screens
I don't get why people are so obsessed with burn-ins. It's just like any other wear and tear, like some buttons wearing out more than others, or frequently used seat cushions becoming softer. An OLED burn-in doesn't make the screen unusable, it just causes some marks that are visible only when showing a solid light color.
exact opposite experience for me and 4 of my friends with OLED TVs. LG is worst, no warranty on burn-in.....for a good reason, risk! You should buy a lottery ticket, u are one of the lucky ones
I would expect the test to include not only the worst case scenario but also some realistic ones. Since every pixel is independent from each other, different parts of the screen could be used to test different scenarios simultaneously, e.g., this test image, a video, a screenshot of some UI elements, the Windows task bar, etc. What is also important is the screen brightness, because pixels wear out more when they light up more. So, using the screen at lower brightness would cause much less burn-in. This is why OLED screens are designed to provide less brightness in SDR than HDR - they just want to decrease the risk of burn-in.
Yeah, I have burn-in on my XPS 15 within a few months (4 year old) but I also measured the screen at 800-900 nits so it needed a few hundred hours for it to happen. I use dark mode on all browsers and auto-hide the taskbar (that was the killer along with browser bar). IE Chromium is not full dark so I used a theme. Chrome has a nice dark mode. Of course, I'd much rather have a 900 nit screen with a bit of burn in than a 400 nit. It's as bright as any phone OLED (s10+, iPhone 13) except the iPhone 15 which is slightly brighter. I still use the laptop without any issues as dark mode covers the address bar and I don't look at the taskbar much. The display sleeps after 5 minutes.
LCDs can get upto 800-900 nits while mini led are different beast when it comes to brightness you're basically trading colour accuracy, pwm, brightness and longevity for darker blacks, punchy colours and lower latency
@@itsmilan4069 MiniLED has the dreaded blooming issue, it's colours don't look nearly as good as on OLED, has worse contrast and it's higher response times make it a slower and less responsive display than OLED, often times leading to ghosting. I'd take a slight burn-in on my OLED any day over the inferior colours, contrast and lagginess of miniLED.
With Apple refusing to use these OLED displays and, in partnership with LG, developing a version of Tandem OLED, this problem will likely be less severe with these higher-quality OLED screens. Having two panes will double the display's life and enable the software to prevent burn-in by switching panes so that there are no static elements for longer than is safe. I think Dell has already gone to LG for these, and Chinese OEMs are also developing their own. So, the future looks promising. I prefer OLED for media consumption, where burn-in is extremely unlikely; the same applies to OLEDs for gaming. But I use IPS laptops for office work, as my work involves static elements for long periods, day after day, and burn-in will be inevitable. Also, I hate OLED when I use a white background; it does my eyes and head in.
@@ZhenqiuChen, I have been using them for forty years and upgraded to the Surface Laptop 7 a couple of months ago (IPS) to replace my IPS Huawei Matebook (11th Gen).
ANNDDDDD if you get this very slight burn in you can very easy use the Pixel Refresher feature built-in and it will dim down all other pixels aswell to make the screen uniform again, no more burn-in 👍
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Given the hardware enthusiasts in us that roam much of these communities, we're far more likely to get the upgrade itch well before any burnin occurs through regular use. Great, informative video nonetheless!
My Samsung Tab S still doesn't have burn in. And that's a tablet that doesn't have a number attached to it like S9. Due to OLED's perfect contrast they are actually really really really good at running dark mode, as the screen turns truly black so you have perfectly high contrast and perfect pastel colors for your text.
I have a portable OLED monitor I use for my Steam Deck and laptop when I want better blacks and colours. It’s a great upgrade in image quality but I’d stick with LCD for the laptop itself. If I get burn in it only cost me £150, I wouldn’t fancy having to replace a laptop display.
I had an LCD laptop that burned in lmao. It had the youtube logo on the top left side, but i abused that poor laptop. I basically never turned it off for like 4 years and it was hooked to a monitor that I also never turned off. The monitor is still kicking. The laptop died in a power outage.
an oled samsung tv my parents bought had significant burn in. orange colors being green (i noticed when watching phineas and ferb that Candace suddenly had greenish hair) my parents said they never saw the burn in. i saw it so clearly i would gauge my eyes out. sadly not moving to oled anytime soon
@Just Josh would "Turn off Screen after x amount of time being idle" feature of windows help to prevent burn-in? like set to something around 5 minutes so the screen will go off when is idle ???
This is the only reason that I'm hesitant to get an OLED display on my next laptop. If I do get one though, I'll just mainly use it with an external monitor that's not OLED when I'm at home or at an office.
Your laptop will be e-waste before any burn in realistically occurs. I've stopped worrying after my 2015 LG TV just kept on going and going without so much of a hint of burn-in. Only thing it did was lose 50 nits of brightness along the way, and the subpixel layout aged differently (nothing a slight recalibration couldn't fix.) And yes I have a Zenbook Pro 14 for my daily driver and it has been fine after about a year of usage of heavy text usage.
@@owlmostdead9492 I've been writing in Final draft for a year and a half on mine, which is all black text on white background at max brightness most of the time, pretty much your worstcase scenario. And not a hint of burn in. I do hide the taskbar, but that's the only concession. (Even my wallpaper is bright...). We'll see.
imo mini-led backlight array is the way to go with .. i have a display with only 1500 led zones, 9k leds in total, but the difference is amasing amd it gets way brighter than oled
Given you're using it at full brightness all the time and it also won't "destroy" the display. Burn-in doesn't destroy OLED panels, it only leaves permanent marks, ones you'll only ever notice on a full white background as they're not visible on most content. You can still keep on using the laptop display without any issues regardless of burn-in.
Does your code never move? We're talking, because every time a line shifts, the screen refreshes. And that's not even accounting for pixel shift, which works way better if you don't display vertical bands for a year like in this test.
@@Havanu81 That's not how it works, just because you scroll some text doesn't mean the whole display is "pixelshifting/refreshing" etc. any static element will burn in which inside an IDE/Text editor are a lot. Doesn't matter which one you use IntelliJ, VScode or nvim
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So if I'm understanding this right, as long as the screen/parts of the screen arent static for long periods of time (e.g. im switching tabs/scrolling often enough) there shouldnt be any problems with burn-in? Tbh I've never bothered with a screen saver on my laptop - if I have to leave my laptop for more than a few minutes I just close the laptop so the pixels can be fully off lol This was actually pretty educational for me as I'd heard the term be thrown around before but I didn't know exactly what it meant. Thank you for the video!
Yes so anything thats static for long will cause burn in, for example your windows tabs etc, and it is worse on white colours, it is the price you pay for a luxury screen like this, but if you take good care of it, nothing will happen to it throughout the laptops lifecycle
I just saw a comment saying that hiding the windows taskbar is another good tip and that's actually so true, I never thought about that till now LOL my taskbar is a lightish colour but if im using my laptop plugged in to an external monitor which is IPS I shouldnt have any issues with burn in with the taskbar I think?
@@Girlsroxy in ASUS Armory Crate it automatically hides the taskbar if you set it on, same with Lenovo Vantage, not sure what laptop you have but the control centre of your laptops brand should give you these options
yea im aware of the settings. i much prefer my taskbar being present all the time so guess im sticking with it haha. but again if I'm using my laptop plugged into an external monitor more often than not then i think i should be ok. my current laptop isnt oled but im looking at getting a new one soon so good to know the deal with oled screens and burn-in
Burn-in is a certainty if you have static elements, as OLED is organic, and the diodes will die over time. So, you must not have stagnant elements like the taskbar, and if you use a specific app with fixed elements, you will likely face issues. As I use office apps that are static, I only use an LCD/miniLED. OLED is great for media consumption as there are no fixed elements.
LG B9 OLED TV owner here, had my tv for 4 years and it developed burn in after 3 of those years - Its my main family TV so it gets used for everything from gaming to movies and everything else. Many modern live TV channels love to use static logos in the corners like news channels and such - this is what is burnt in to my TV. News ticker bars at the bottom of the screen and news channels logos in every corner - be careful what you watch on your OLED and how long for. I personally won't buy another OLED TV or monitor for this reason. Imagine seeing your taskbar or office 365 doc permanently burnt into your monitor - just get a really really good IPS display
2400h is very short for most modern oleds ouch... seems like these laptops last even less than most monitors/tvs tho most other tests have more variability.
No OLED for laptops for me. Burn in and battery life makes it pointless for me. Maybe for a creative user who needs that color accuracy it makes more sense. Otherwise, i rather just get an external oled monior if i need that technology.
I would be very interested in a battery comparison of oled vs lcd. I'm a programmer and use high contrast dark mode. Meaning not just dark, but black. E.g. vscode background is pure black, plain black wallpaper, black activity bar etc. I think oled might even use less power than lcd that way, but I have no comparison.
Lenovo laptops with OLED are > 600 euro, I bought an OLED tablet from them for 300 specifically for the screen, but they seem to have discontinued that line. OLED screens can be had for good prices though, they are not as expensive anymore. Then again, the latest IPS screens are nothing to sneeze at either, with much better blacks and less bleed. Finally we live in a time where keyboards, mice and screens don't have to suck anymore. Rejoice, humans can do I/O too!
A normal person who use laptop: 1. Don't care about dark mode 2. Don't use boomer's screen saver 3. Play video game with desktop PC OLED is such a princess I just need a dude who gets the job done
This. People are outright liars. I dare anyone to show me a 90-95% grayscale image of their supposed "pristine" OLED and then we'll talk. And before anyone calls me "poor" or an LCD fanboy, I use OLEDs since 2015 and each an every one of them got burn-in. Not one that hasnt had it. OLED fanboys are cringe! Im buying the Bravia 9 85 inch now and will never buy an OLED again. My last S95C got burn-in after only 8 months. So dont talk BS to me.
In a recent video, Josh spoke about ‘cheaper OLED panels’ Are these more susceptible to burn out? And if so, how can you know the cheaper ones while buying or even later?
Ye, the cheaper the component, the higher the chance it fail I dont think there are laptop manufactures that give information on the screen that they are using but it is likely that cheap oled laptops use cheap screens
Can you pleaseeeee also tell us about OLED care options in Linux? How to turn them on? Do they exist by default? Are they easy to install and use? Are they required? What is the recommendation if they are not available on linux? Should we stick to Windows? Or the risk isn't too high?
Set screen off in 3 or 5 mins, or using screen saver animation. Or, in a terminal, type 'xset dpms 180 180 180', followed by a enter. 180 means 180 seconds.
Some things that I've found useful - >> Using system-wide dark theme (and for all apps) >> hiding taskbar >> keeping gamma balanced and brightness below 65% when you can't avoid static content
I know people using laptops up till 10 years. I woudnt recommend an oled screen to them. On all of my phones there was burn in after 2 to 4 years even though that wasnt a big problem.
LG from the start has made a screen with no burn in ever. But if they were to sell it then no more sales going forward as everyone would be happy having 1 tv. So what a copy does is dumb down the quality of an item so that it can damage over time to get costumer's to continue to buy the next upgrade that is stripped down from its already completed quality. Anyway its difficult to buy of an organic Oled all the while apple iphone pro 12 max is on oled with zero problems to this day.
OLED still sucks if you stare at an IDE for the whole day. I hate dark modes too. And 100 days is not much, for people who plan to keep their laptop for 4+ years. You won't be able to sell it second hand as well.
2400hours = 8 hours a day for 15 months. For sure normal use cases will be lighter, but using a laptop for 4+ years will for sure leave permanent burn marks. I purchased the OLED yoga slim 7x last month and it has no LCD option. As I will defo use my laptop for longer than 4 years, I have to hide all desktop icons, hide task bar, use high contrast themes with pure black backgrounds in all apps, turn on auto brightness, and set screen off timeout to 3 mins, and use external monitor if I can. The concern of potential burn-in is well over the value OLED brings to me. I would wish manufactures provide LCD options along side OLED options.
Unless its a mac nobody is buying a 4 year old laptop for anything significant, and its the price you pay if you want a premium screen, you have to pay extra attention to protect it, no way at any point will you keep a static image for 100 days on screen, thats not possible, it may accumulate to 100 days over years of use, but that will not cause burn in
I don't get why people are so obsessed with burn-ins. It's just like any other wear and tear, like some buttons wearing out more than others, or frequently used seat cushions becoming softer. An OLED burn-in doesn't make the screen unusable, it just causes some marks that are visible only when showing a solid light color. I have been using a laptop both for work and personal use, so its OLED screen is on for more than 10 hours per day, mostly at full brightness. I don't do anything to prevent burn‐in. Now my screen has a slight burn-in on the taskbar, but it doesn't bother me at all.
@@JT11111 True. However, LCD has absolutely zero burn-in problem and cost less and has more than acceptable image quality. OLED does not bother me at all. what bother me the most is manufactures are selling OLED as the ONLY option on specific models like the one I purchased (yoga slim 7x).
I see plenty of ppl who say they have had their OLED Display for 8 plus years left them on Full Brightness with no Dimming, Black Mode, Screensaver or Minimizing Taskbar. I honestly dont believe these ppl at all. I love OLED the Inky Blacks are addictive, The colors are really great but, I dont think OLED is for everybody. I have an OLED I use a monitor and I do use alot of the Mitigation tactics. Black Screen, No Icons, Screen turns off 3 minutes of no use, etc, etc. But, I honestly just dont believe that you can escape Static Images in a Desktop format. I understand ppl who use OLED TVs to watch Netflix, Hulu, Disney Plus or Play games but, For someone who uses their display really heavy day in and day out. Split screen, browser tabs, etc. I dont think you can realistically escape burn in. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. I have burn in on my Note 9 phone its from 2019.
I have to say this video makes me really sad about the state of "tech journalism" .. "is OLED burn-in a real concern - we found out by deliberately burning it in by putting a screen in the worst case scenario for 100 days!" ... so you didn't find out if it's a real concern for real people actually using a laptop like a human being. Thanks, super helpful. If we needed this information we could've checked any of the other equally stupid "tests" others have already done. Maybe next you could try finding out if throwing a hammer at your screen is a real concern.
What, did you want them to use the unit normally and track it over the course of several years for a single video? Especially when OLED technology would almost certainly move forward by leaps and bounds over the course of that period, rendering both their unit and their findings both obsolete and irrelevant for viewers/consumers at that point in time? Surely you understand how silly your comment is in light of that. "So you didn't find out if it's a real concern for real people actually using a laptop like a human being". They showed the worst case scenario and how negligible the burn in was for comparison, that's enough information for the average consumer to extrapolate from and base their decisions on. If it was barely a concern in the worst case scenario, it's pretty obvious that it's even less of a concern for the average consumer's daily use.
That's nothing. Rtings tested OLED TVs years ago. They used like 6 TVs of the same model. Ran different programs 24/7 for 1 year or so and regularly documented the change of the panels
I have a Galaxy Book 2 Pro with an OLED display. I bought it in March 2023 and i have no burn in at all. The key for me at least is just balancing brightness correctly and try to change what is being displayed in the screen every 30 minutes or 1 hour. I use word and Chrome a lot and i try refreshing and go to the desktop every 30 minutes. This has worked incredibly well.
No thanks. OLED is great for phones/TVs/tablets and whatnot. It is awful for desktop use unless you go out of your way to change how you use it just to delay burn-in. This wouldn't last at all in my 8-10 hours a day using it for work.
That is why Apple refused to use OLEDs on their tablets and laptops. They said that having tested them, they do not come close to lasting the length they expect from their products. Obviously, other OEMs are less concerned. Apple, therefore, spoke with LG, which had developed Tandem OLED and got them to build Tandem OLEDs for their devices. Having two panels and a processor that manages them, they can double the life by switching between panels to avoid burn-in.
That is why designers or any content creators who are using laptops for 8+ hours daily shouldn't ever use oled screens. I am using figma and I can imagine whole UI burned for forever or ghosting or whatever of therms. That's why I don't understand Asus pro laptops for creators, screen is definitely not for them.
I got carried away with the OTT love from YT creators about OLED and, after a year or so, decided that for my work, and office, OLED sucked, and PWM was awful. Switched back to IPS, and no more headaches or strained eyes. I still love OLED for TVs, but I moved over to IPS for my two main laptops. FWIW, I do not play games, but I suspect OLED is better for that in some regards as well. So I suppose it is subjective to the individual use case.
honey burn in isn't the problem it's an issue they know how to deal with. the issue is the the eye strain and the changing quality based on the brightness and in some cases the asus oled doesn't differentiate between dim grey and actual black at low brightness so it just blacks everything out like it's black originally this issue is not a thing on ips , so when watching for example game of thrones in a dark room at 300 nits some scenes where its a dim setting in the show oled make's everything dimmer enclouding stuff that should be visible to the viewer , I'm saying this because on my older Ips It's not as hard to see at low brightness as the lumina oled
I want to buy the samsung g9 odyssey oled..but for 1000 Euro im afraid of this happening... ( 2024 version, maybe they did something about burn in dunno)
I really HATE OLED displays!!! That's why I'm not gonna buy the Asus Zenbook 14 The fact that dell removed the QHD IPS display on the XPS 13 was the last straw; that and the lack of a physical functions row. Now my only option is HP, since getting a Framework laptop to Mexico is complicated
All that oled glory will become nothing after you see your first burn in , i even was ashamed to take my old fhone ( s9+) to a party bc the screen burning it had in screen
I have one phone bought in 2015, Amoled screen, it has at least 35,000 hours of static content on it, I don't see any burn-in, still use it occasionally)
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When did the burn in start? After 10 hours? You claimed to have tested the screen during the 100 day testing period. When did you see the first signs of burn in? This is vital information.
It's overblown dude, you'll be fine. I've had my OLED laptop for years now and I don't see anything wrong.
Think the problem is that they only tested on 1 display. By switching the displayed image to check for burn in, it is effectively no longer displaying being tested, so they shold probably have like 10 laptops that are exposed to different amount of times. But i really don't think its an issue for everyday issue agreeing TheTastefulThickness
@@TheTastefulThicknesshow many years and what's the screen on time on average
I will have to check my spreadsheet when I get home.
You are grossly overthinking this.
Burn in is NOT an issue if you're using a laptop as normal.
It only becomes a problem if the panel never switches off and you're on the same content.
Just bought an OLED, was worried at first but i only use my pc for "Gaming and Porn" so i should be ok
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what if your porn burn in ? a Doggy style may be ? 😂
Imagine getting a Pornhub logo burn-in lmao
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@@fitafanatomy3359 aint the hub is in dark mode?
Please do a video on oled screens flickering and how it affects reading or eyes in general. Also how it varies when brightness is lowered.
There is no "OLED screen flickering", you are talking about DC dimming vs PWM dimming, and some screen manufacturers really hate you and use low frequency PWM dimming.
@@ArdgalAlkeides There is flickering on all OLEDs if you're using variable refresh rate.
I have like a dozen devices with OLED and I've never had burn in. It's still a relatively small sample size but still
Same. My phone and laptop are oled. I use them a lot but i use reasonable brightness unlike some people who keep their devices max brightness even during the night which i find dumb.
I was always a little worried about OLED until I realised that most people's phones are OLED and it's not like people constantly talk about it.
Also, somebody had a Switch OLED running for like 3 years and it had no visible burn-in at all.
I'm on my 2nd tablet, first laptop, TV-screen, 3rd phone and 3rd watch with OLED. All no burn in. Forgot about the USB-cable that shows voltage, also OLED screen :P
Will burn in exist? Long answer: Yes, Short answer: Yes.
@@MAREKPOW It's inevitable.
absolutely, finally a truthful comment.
Does the burn in matter? No. Same thing with the number of times a flash cell / block can be written. Now it is < 10k, but there are ways of mitigating it (called an SSD). You would not buy a hard disk because of this, *right*?
@@owlstead Your example makes little to no sense. Wear and tear is expected of any product. The concerning aspect of an OLED monitor is regarding how soon that wear comes. Hard drives last for years. People have been getting burn in after a few months. I love OLED on my phone and TV, but it's not ready for desktop use. If I can't work 8+ hours for my work day, or just in general have to worry about things like hiding the task bar, that is not acceptable.
If your case is just use it for media and gaming...that's fine, but that's not what desktop use is for the vast majority of people.
@@livedreamsg For now we've got one user that indicated having burn in on a monitor who ran it at 800 NITS or so. I'm not convinced that burn in is such an issue, especially not on modern screens.
That said, for coding a deep black IPS display is certainly fine (and I'm not about to replace my Dell U2515 screens anytime soon).
I've never understood why people suggest screen savers instead of simply having the display turn off?
Or display black at least
becase it doesn't cycle through different colors
@@az50056 What? The display being off is ultimately better than displaying any kind of screensaver
One reason might be that a good screensaver distributes the load over the whole screen while still clearly signaling that the computer is active. But, yeah, not a good reason for me personally. I prefer to turn the display off completely.
@@az50056 OTOH, many OLED screens run a refresh on startup. My TV certainly does this (note that you cannot really see this happening).
Hiding the windows taskbar is also a good tip :)
I don't want to feel crippled. I'm gonna just buy the ips and won't be having worries
@@randy89555 go for mini led. :)
@@randy89555 Tis a small price to pay for OLED glory
@@randy89555 You don't need to hide the taskbar, the amount of times you'll be playing full screen videos, gaming and other things like that will mean your taskbar won't burn in. Go OLED and enjoy peak screen quality.
@@randy89555 "crippled"? more screen space, zero downside
OLED fanboys: burn-in is a myth you just gotta use it at lowest brightness amd baby your display like I do which is why I never faced burn-in
^^ Dumb people too proud to change their opinion and goes on to comment on other people's comments about their factually incorrect ideas
Set it to 100nits and you’ll never get burn it!
Me: I can’t see anything on the screen 😂😂😂
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Yes, in brightly lit areas this is true. But don't forget that OLED has really good contrast, and that's one way of enhancing readability.
OLED haters: burn-in with OLED is a huge problem for everyone. I'm just gonna use older tech screens, which can also burn in. (The millions of owners of OLED laptops who never complained are just OLED fanboys.)
Been using an Oled laptop since 2021 . OLED's were new to laptops then . Haven't come across this issue though . Probably will never occur for an average normal user . Never used dark mode or Screensaver though. Used to shutdown laptop and close it when not in use .. Probably that helps
what kind of oled laptop do u have?
Same! Had one since 2022, no burn in at all! And I'm a somewhat heavy user as well. But I just shut it down at night and use dark mode since its easier on my eyes.
That "makes my dearest mother very proud" bit always makes me smile 😊
OLED is a no go for anything but a phone for me because of this. I don't want to modify how I use my devices like with hiding taskbars or disabling my wallpaper, and I plan on using all my devices for YEARS before replacing them. I'd rather just have the peace of mind of not worrying about burning in my expensive purchase.
Phones don’t have static images
Don't forget that the burn-in on OLED in these tests appeared only after 3 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF DISPLAYING A BRIGHT, STATIC IMAGE! Now consider in what scenario this could ever happen on your desktops or laptops with OLED displays - essentially never. There's a higher chance that your place of residence suffers a short electrical outage that will power off your desktop than it is for you to somehow leave a desktop monitor with a static image for this long. And for laptops, this problem is non-existent. There are so many variations in color of the content you browse daily, that the pixels are effectively refreshing every day.
@@mbazoka Hmm on linux it can be an issue, specially if I just leave the monitor on for several hours on login screen daily
How many years? IMO if it does happen its usually very subtle likely and won't bother you. For me a subtly burn in OLED still beats the image quality of a brand new LCD every time.
LCDs also have burn in. Rtings has tested this.
“use your laptop like a normal person”. Well said.
I've always made sure the devices I use get a couple hundred hours of video games or video use before they start doing more static images
I understand this test was to see whether oled burn-in can occur but a follow up should be a long-term examination on whether oled burn-in can occur with regular/typical usage. Rtings is doing such with oled TVs for example. Also, some manufacturers include features such as pixel refresh or oled burn-in protection. Was this feature available on the tested laptop & if so was it turned off? How are the results affected if that feature is turned on?
Honestly, for me, it is just not worth the hassle. Sure, the risk of burn-in has decreased in modern OLED screens, but the potential alone is enough for me to always feel the need to baby my screen. And that is not what I want to do with a tool that is meant for work or enjoyment.
if ur line of thinking is like this, u r missing out! thats all im gonna say. just got a spectre 14 and if i could, id wank to its screen for how good it looks compared to my other screens
Your laptop will die faster than that screen,
or becomes absolute in terms of performance
A good oled panel won't suffer from burn ins.
I don't get why people are so obsessed with burn-ins. It's just like any other wear and tear, like some buttons wearing out more than others, or frequently used seat cushions becoming softer. An OLED burn-in doesn't make the screen unusable, it just causes some marks that are visible only when showing a solid light color.
@@nethshansiriwardena508 Missing out on garbage font rendering? I'll happily pass on that, thanks.
Did you check burn in during the periods you checked it? When did burn in start to occur? This would be good to determine safe usage
I've used a lot of devices with OLED Displays.
Have not faced Burn In in a single one of them.
Its about how long you use them and oled its getting better every year
exact opposite experience for me and 4 of my friends with OLED TVs. LG is worst, no warranty on burn-in.....for a good reason, risk! You should buy a lottery ticket, u are one of the lucky ones
@@kenwarner5387 😶 damn that's rough bruv.
I would expect the test to include not only the worst case scenario but also some realistic ones. Since every pixel is independent from each other, different parts of the screen could be used to test different scenarios simultaneously, e.g., this test image, a video, a screenshot of some UI elements, the Windows task bar, etc.
What is also important is the screen brightness, because pixels wear out more when they light up more. So, using the screen at lower brightness would cause much less burn-in. This is why OLED screens are designed to provide less brightness in SDR than HDR - they just want to decrease the risk of burn-in.
Great video i was looking for it to drop, i'm glad that !No zenbook was warmed during this video.
Great topic Josh. Please also do a similar torture test on SSD for laptops. Especially for something like an apple silicon macbook with 256Gb.
Yeah, I have burn-in on my XPS 15 within a few months (4 year old) but I also measured the screen at 800-900 nits so it needed a few hundred hours for it to happen.
I use dark mode on all browsers and auto-hide the taskbar (that was the killer along with browser bar). IE Chromium is not full dark so I used a theme. Chrome has a nice dark mode.
Of course, I'd much rather have a 900 nit screen with a bit of burn in than a 400 nit. It's as bright as any phone OLED (s10+, iPhone 13) except the iPhone 15 which is slightly brighter.
I still use the laptop without any issues as dark mode covers the address bar and I don't look at the taskbar much.
The display sleeps after 5 minutes.
LCDs can get upto 800-900 nits while mini led are different beast when it comes to brightness
you're basically trading colour accuracy, pwm, brightness and longevity for darker blacks, punchy colours and lower latency
not to mention the added burn in and it's anxiety
@@itsmilan4069 MiniLED has the dreaded blooming issue, it's colours don't look nearly as good as on OLED, has worse contrast and it's higher response times make it a slower and less responsive display than OLED, often times leading to ghosting. I'd take a slight burn-in on my OLED any day over the inferior colours, contrast and lagginess of miniLED.
With Apple refusing to use these OLED displays and, in partnership with LG, developing a version of Tandem OLED, this problem will likely be less severe with these higher-quality OLED screens. Having two panes will double the display's life and enable the software to prevent burn-in by switching panes so that there are no static elements for longer than is safe. I think Dell has already gone to LG for these, and Chinese OEMs are also developing their own. So, the future looks promising.
I prefer OLED for media consumption, where burn-in is extremely unlikely; the same applies to OLEDs for gaming. But I use IPS laptops for office work, as my work involves static elements for long periods, day after day, and burn-in will be inevitable. Also, I hate OLED when I use a white background; it does my eyes and head in.
You used IPS laptops for office work, how long are you using it?
@@ZhenqiuChen, I have been using them for forty years and upgraded to the Surface Laptop 7 a couple of months ago (IPS) to replace my IPS Huawei Matebook (11th Gen).
@@andyH_England Ok, I mean how long have you used it during work until off work?
More like eliminated
Josh I bought the G16 with a 4080 and used your link
ANNDDDDD if you get this very slight burn in you can very easy use the Pixel Refresher feature built-in and it will dim down all other pixels aswell to make the screen uniform again, no more burn-in 👍
Good add.
The TikTok UI has burned itself into my phones screen xD
Great comment
Asus wants me to hide taskbar even when I'm using an external screen
ill stick to ips, thanks. I use excel all day
is there any pwm issue on OLED?
Great video keep it up
Great video, amazing content in this channel, specially because you can trust it. Kudos to Josh to give the chance to his team. Sierra you're doing it great please keep up. For sure I'll buy my next laptop from your website.
Given the hardware enthusiasts in us that roam much of these communities, we're far more likely to get the upgrade itch well before any burnin occurs through regular use. Great, informative video nonetheless!
My Samsung Tab S still doesn't have burn in. And that's a tablet that doesn't have a number attached to it like S9. Due to OLED's perfect contrast they are actually really really really good at running dark mode, as the screen turns truly black so you have perfectly high contrast and perfect pastel colors for your text.
Thanks for all of your efforts 👌 🎉
I have a portable OLED monitor I use for my Steam Deck and laptop when I want better blacks and colours. It’s a great upgrade in image quality but I’d stick with LCD for the laptop itself. If I get burn in it only cost me £150, I wouldn’t fancy having to replace a laptop display.
I had an LCD laptop that burned in lmao. It had the youtube logo on the top left side, but i abused that poor laptop. I basically never turned it off for like 4 years and it was hooked to a monitor that I also never turned off. The monitor is still kicking. The laptop died in a power outage.
an oled samsung tv my parents bought had significant burn in. orange colors being green (i noticed when watching phineas and ferb that Candace suddenly had greenish hair) my parents said they never saw the burn in.
i saw it so clearly i would gauge my eyes out. sadly not moving to oled anytime soon
Are u American? Don't u guys run the same shitty TV programm the whole day even when nobody is actually sitting in front of thr TV?
@Just Josh
would "Turn off Screen after x amount of time being idle" feature of windows help to prevent burn-in? like set to something around 5 minutes so the screen will go off when is idle ???
I'm old enough to remember that virtually every new screen tech has its burn-in FUD moment.
The video I was waiting for. Thanks
So, is pixel refresh screensaver better than turning off the display?
This is the only reason that I'm hesitant to get an OLED display on my next laptop. If I do get one though, I'll just mainly use it with an external monitor that's not OLED when I'm at home or at an office.
Your laptop will be e-waste before any burn in realistically occurs. I've stopped worrying after my 2015 LG TV just kept on going and going without so much of a hint of burn-in. Only thing it did was lose 50 nits of brightness along the way, and the subpixel layout aged differently (nothing a slight recalibration couldn't fix.) And yes I have a Zenbook Pro 14 for my daily driver and it has been fine after about a year of usage of heavy text usage.
@@Havanu81 Buy me an OLED laptop and I'll ruin the display within ~1 year with anywhere from 6-14h a day of coding
@@Havanu81say that again after not babying your laptop display for a few months
@@itsmilan4069 Don't leave the taskbar visible is about the only measure I apply. 6-9 hour workdays here.
@@owlmostdead9492 I've been writing in Final draft for a year and a half on mine, which is all black text on white background at max brightness most of the time, pretty much your worstcase scenario. And not a hint of burn in. I do hide the taskbar, but that's the only concession. (Even my wallpaper is bright...). We'll see.
imo mini-led backlight array is the way to go with .. i have a display with only 1500 led zones, 9k leds in total, but the difference is amasing amd it gets way brighter than oled
So about 365 days of 12h a day coding will destroy all the OLED laptops or two years of 6h a day, kind of rough.
Given you're using it at full brightness all the time and it also won't "destroy" the display. Burn-in doesn't destroy OLED panels, it only leaves permanent marks, ones you'll only ever notice on a full white background as they're not visible on most content. You can still keep on using the laptop display without any issues regardless of burn-in.
Does your code never move? We're talking, because every time a line shifts, the screen refreshes. And that's not even accounting for pixel shift, which works way better if you don't display vertical bands for a year like in this test.
@@Havanu81 That's not how it works, just because you scroll some text doesn't mean the whole display is "pixelshifting/refreshing" etc. any static element will burn in which inside an IDE/Text editor are a lot. Doesn't matter which one you use IntelliJ, VScode or nvim
@@owlmostdead9492 You should try it first, then let us know how thing fared instead of hypothesizing about a potential problem.
You may want to take into account that this will destroy the coder too. Exercise and take breaks for goodness sake (I'm a fellow coder).
I'm watching this vid on my Samsung Note 10 with an obnoxious ghost haunting me as we speak :)
Heyy!
I am frm India and the IdeaPad 5 comes in 2 configs: Ryzen 7 8845hs + rtx 3050 or core ultra 9 + integrated , which one do i take if am totally not into gaming and I'm a clg student?please i really need u help with this one
So if I'm understanding this right, as long as the screen/parts of the screen arent static for long periods of time (e.g. im switching tabs/scrolling often enough) there shouldnt be any problems with burn-in? Tbh I've never bothered with a screen saver on my laptop - if I have to leave my laptop for more than a few minutes I just close the laptop so the pixels can be fully off lol
This was actually pretty educational for me as I'd heard the term be thrown around before but I didn't know exactly what it meant. Thank you for the video!
Yes so anything thats static for long will cause burn in, for example your windows tabs etc, and it is worse on white colours, it is the price you pay for a luxury screen like this, but if you take good care of it, nothing will happen to it throughout the laptops lifecycle
I just saw a comment saying that hiding the windows taskbar is another good tip and that's actually so true, I never thought about that till now LOL my taskbar is a lightish colour but if im using my laptop plugged in to an external monitor which is IPS I shouldnt have any issues with burn in with the taskbar I think?
@@Girlsroxy in ASUS Armory Crate it automatically hides the taskbar if you set it on, same with Lenovo Vantage, not sure what laptop you have but the control centre of your laptops brand should give you these options
yea im aware of the settings. i much prefer my taskbar being present all the time so guess im sticking with it haha. but again if I'm using my laptop plugged into an external monitor more often than not then i think i should be ok. my current laptop isnt oled but im looking at getting a new one soon so good to know the deal with oled screens and burn-in
Burn-in is a certainty if you have static elements, as OLED is organic, and the diodes will die over time. So, you must not have stagnant elements like the taskbar, and if you use a specific app with fixed elements, you will likely face issues. As I use office apps that are static, I only use an LCD/miniLED.
OLED is great for media consumption as there are no fixed elements.
I think it was more frequent with previous generations of oled displays
I don't think so, people just fib about it now
LG B9 OLED TV owner here, had my tv for 4 years and it developed burn in after 3 of those years - Its my main family TV so it gets used for everything from gaming to movies and everything else. Many modern live TV channels love to use static logos in the corners like news channels and such - this is what is burnt in to my TV. News ticker bars at the bottom of the screen and news channels logos in every corner - be careful what you watch on your OLED and how long for. I personally won't buy another OLED TV or monitor for this reason. Imagine seeing your taskbar or office 365 doc permanently burnt into your monitor - just get a really really good IPS display
That's what you get for watching garbage. 😂
2400h is very short for most modern oleds ouch... seems like these laptops last even less than most monitors/tvs
tho most other tests have more variability.
Dude this is legend. Thank you for this video!
No OLED for laptops for me. Burn in and battery life makes it pointless for me. Maybe for a creative user who needs that color accuracy it makes more sense. Otherwise, i rather just get an external oled monior if i need that technology.
Newsflash: non-OLED can burn in too. Don't use any display is the safest bet!
How many times does it happen in a year
Would love to see the same test on m4 iPad at comparable nits
finally a video that answers the question. thank you.
I would be very interested in a battery comparison of oled vs lcd. I'm a programmer and use high contrast dark mode. Meaning not just dark, but black. E.g. vscode background is pure black, plain black wallpaper, black activity bar etc. I think oled might even use less power than lcd that way, but I have no comparison.
Instead of hiding taskbar, can not we use taskbar with dark theme?
2:10 So it is very interesting to mention this 'long period of time'.
It happened on the LG OLED tv I got my parents.
Basically OLED burn-in is uncommon, but when it occurs you have to replace the screen.
Burn-in or not, if I get that laptop, I'd be grateful
I've been avoiding OLED displays, partly because of cost and partly because of the burn-in risk.
Lenovo laptops with OLED are > 600 euro, I bought an OLED tablet from them for 300 specifically for the screen, but they seem to have discontinued that line. OLED screens can be had for good prices though, they are not as expensive anymore. Then again, the latest IPS screens are nothing to sneeze at either, with much better blacks and less bleed. Finally we live in a time where keyboards, mice and screens don't have to suck anymore. Rejoice, humans can do I/O too!
A normal person who use laptop:
1. Don't care about dark mode
2. Don't use boomer's screen saver
3. Play video game with desktop PC
OLED is such a princess
I just need a dude who gets the job done
i have stealth blade oled since 2020 it works like a charm
for most normal people your probably fine, for us gamers who play 10+ hours a day, 7 days a week you will see burn in very fast
This. People are outright liars. I dare anyone to show me a 90-95% grayscale image of their supposed "pristine" OLED and then we'll talk. And before anyone calls me "poor" or an LCD fanboy, I use OLEDs since 2015 and each an every one of them got burn-in. Not one that hasnt had it. OLED fanboys are cringe!
Im buying the Bravia 9 85 inch now and will never buy an OLED again. My last S95C got burn-in after only 8 months. So dont talk BS to me.
Thanks mate very helpful @Cenkolino
Thanks😊
I am a college student can you say me what is a lifetime oled laptop with using the given tips that you have given plz say
Oh it exists… 😢
Yes it does :(
Hello. Can you review Lenovo P14s Gen 5 OLED?
In a recent video, Josh spoke about ‘cheaper OLED panels’
Are these more susceptible to burn out? And if so, how can you know the cheaper ones while buying or even later?
Ye, the cheaper the component, the higher the chance it fail
I dont think there are laptop manufactures that give information on the screen that they are using but it is likely that cheap oled laptops use cheap screens
The laptop he used for the test (the zenbook 14 OLED 2023) uses the "cheaper" OLED so those higher end panels would last longer than this.
Can you pleaseeeee also tell us about OLED care options in Linux?
How to turn them on?
Do they exist by default?
Are they easy to install and use?
Are they required?
What is the recommendation if they are not available on linux? Should we stick to Windows? Or the risk isn't too high?
Set screen off in 3 or 5 mins, or using screen saver animation. Or, in a terminal, type 'xset dpms 180 180 180', followed by a enter. 180 means 180 seconds.
I am *very* happy this channel escaped being shadowbanned
Why was it shadow banned?
Some things that I've found useful -
>> Using system-wide dark theme (and for all apps)
>> hiding taskbar
>> keeping gamma balanced and brightness below 65% when you can't avoid static content
I know people using laptops up till 10 years. I woudnt recommend an oled screen to them.
On all of my phones there was burn in after 2 to 4 years even though that wasnt a big problem.
LG from the start has made a screen with no burn in ever. But if they were to sell it then no more sales going forward as everyone would be happy having 1 tv.
So what a copy does is dumb down the quality of an item so that it can damage over time to get costumer's to continue to buy the next upgrade that is stripped down from its already completed quality.
Anyway its difficult to buy of an organic Oled all the while apple iphone pro 12 max is on oled with zero problems to this day.
Petition to change the channel name to Josh & Friends
OLED still sucks if you stare at an IDE for the whole day. I hate dark modes too. And 100 days is not much, for people who plan to keep their laptop for 4+ years. You won't be able to sell it second hand as well.
2400hours = 8 hours a day for 15 months. For sure normal use cases will be lighter, but using a laptop for 4+ years will for sure leave permanent burn marks. I purchased the OLED yoga slim 7x last month and it has no LCD option. As I will defo use my laptop for longer than 4 years, I have to hide all desktop icons, hide task bar, use high contrast themes with pure black backgrounds in all apps, turn on auto brightness, and set screen off timeout to 3 mins, and use external monitor if I can. The concern of potential burn-in is well over the value OLED brings to me. I would wish manufactures provide LCD options along side OLED options.
Unless its a mac nobody is buying a 4 year old laptop for anything significant, and its the price you pay if you want a premium screen, you have to pay extra attention to protect it, no way at any point will you keep a static image for 100 days on screen, thats not possible, it may accumulate to 100 days over years of use, but that will not cause burn in
I don't get why people are so obsessed with burn-ins. It's just like any other wear and tear, like some buttons wearing out more than others, or frequently used seat cushions becoming softer. An OLED burn-in doesn't make the screen unusable, it just causes some marks that are visible only when showing a solid light color.
I have been using a laptop both for work and personal use, so its OLED screen is on for more than 10 hours per day, mostly at full brightness. I don't do anything to prevent burn‐in. Now my screen has a slight burn-in on the taskbar, but it doesn't bother me at all.
@@aras_aras_aras_aras could you please share when was your laptop purchased?
@@JT11111 True. However, LCD has absolutely zero burn-in problem and cost less and has more than acceptable image quality. OLED does not bother me at all. what bother me the most is manufactures are selling OLED as the ONLY option on specific models like the one I purchased (yoga slim 7x).
I see plenty of ppl who say they have had their OLED Display for 8 plus years left them on Full Brightness with no Dimming, Black Mode, Screensaver or Minimizing Taskbar. I honestly dont believe these ppl at all. I love OLED the Inky Blacks are addictive, The colors are really great but, I dont think OLED is for everybody. I have an OLED I use a monitor and I do use alot of the Mitigation tactics. Black Screen, No Icons, Screen turns off 3 minutes of no use, etc, etc. But, I honestly just dont believe that you can escape Static Images in a Desktop format. I understand ppl who use OLED TVs to watch Netflix, Hulu, Disney Plus or Play games but, For someone who uses their display really heavy day in and day out. Split screen, browser tabs, etc. I dont think you can realistically escape burn in. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. I have burn in on my Note 9 phone its from 2019.
developers and artists general use cases would be more useful
tip6: use an ips/lcd panel.
I have to say this video makes me really sad about the state of "tech journalism" .. "is OLED burn-in a real concern - we found out by deliberately burning it in by putting a screen in the worst case scenario for 100 days!"
... so you didn't find out if it's a real concern for real people actually using a laptop like a human being. Thanks, super helpful. If we needed this information we could've checked any of the other equally stupid "tests" others have already done. Maybe next you could try finding out if throwing a hammer at your screen is a real concern.
What, did you want them to use the unit normally and track it over the course of several years for a single video? Especially when OLED technology would almost certainly move forward by leaps and bounds over the course of that period, rendering both their unit and their findings both obsolete and irrelevant for viewers/consumers at that point in time? Surely you understand how silly your comment is in light of that.
"So you didn't find out if it's a real concern for real people actually using a laptop like a human being". They showed the worst case scenario and how negligible the burn in was for comparison, that's enough information for the average consumer to extrapolate from and base their decisions on. If it was barely a concern in the worst case scenario, it's pretty obvious that it's even less of a concern for the average consumer's daily use.
so i'd say no worries
thanks for that
If Josh did not make a fuss about it, so is a non issue.
I would say it's only an issue for people who keep their laptop a very long time and don't follow those steps. Then yes it is
My phones always get burn in from my home screen 😂
I’m about to buy zenbook 14 oled 2024, after watching this video I need to think twice now 😅
You guys are insane 100 days test 😱
That's nothing. Rtings tested OLED TVs years ago. They used like 6 TVs of the same model. Ran different programs 24/7 for 1 year or so and regularly documented the change of the panels
I have a Galaxy Book 2 Pro with an OLED display. I bought it in March 2023 and i have no burn in at all. The key for me at least is just balancing brightness correctly and try to change what is being displayed in the screen every 30 minutes or 1 hour. I use word and Chrome a lot and i try refreshing and go to the desktop every 30 minutes. This has worked incredibly well.
Well, i have my 23 ultra, mostly hot and maximum brightness , i think burn in happen afther 5 years? Or 3 idk
No thanks. OLED is great for phones/TVs/tablets and whatnot. It is awful for desktop use unless you go out of your way to change how you use it just to delay burn-in. This wouldn't last at all in my 8-10 hours a day using it for work.
this is for laptops, they specially said it will be more prone to burn in on desktop monitors genius
@@adityamgupta6341 You think only desktops are used for work...?
That is why Apple refused to use OLEDs on their tablets and laptops. They said that having tested them, they do not come close to lasting the length they expect from their products. Obviously, other OEMs are less concerned. Apple, therefore, spoke with LG, which had developed Tandem OLED and got them to build Tandem OLEDs for their devices. Having two panels and a processor that manages them, they can double the life by switching between panels to avoid burn-in.
@@adityamgupta6341 Are you really reporting my comment lol. Can't handle responses?
@@andyH_England I'm very intrigued by tandem OLED. Would love to see how it performs on desktop monitors.
That is why designers or any content creators who are using laptops for 8+ hours daily shouldn't ever use oled screens. I am using figma and I can imagine whole UI burned for forever or ghosting or whatever of therms. That's why I don't understand Asus pro laptops for creators, screen is definitely not for them.
Oled burn is random. That's why it's just better to test your luck somewhere else, not with buying an oled laptop
Ok its clear now that this is NOT JUST JOSH
Call me weird but ips is more comfortable to look at than oled.
( when working/coding)
I got carried away with the OTT love from YT creators about OLED and, after a year or so, decided that for my work, and office, OLED sucked, and PWM was awful. Switched back to IPS, and no more headaches or strained eyes. I still love OLED for TVs, but I moved over to IPS for my two main laptops. FWIW, I do not play games, but I suspect OLED is better for that in some regards as well. So I suppose it is subjective to the individual use case.
just use it like using a oled smartphone, i don't see any burn in on my 3 years old phone
honey burn in isn't the problem it's an issue they know how to deal with. the issue is the the eye strain and the changing quality based on the brightness and in some cases the asus oled doesn't differentiate between dim grey and actual black at low brightness so it just blacks everything out like it's black originally this issue is not a thing on ips , so when watching for example game of thrones in a dark room at 300 nits some scenes where its a dim setting in the show oled make's everything dimmer enclouding stuff that should be visible to the viewer , I'm saying this because on my older Ips It's not as hard to see at low brightness as the lumina oled
I want to buy the samsung g9 odyssey oled..but for 1000 Euro im afraid of this happening... ( 2024 version, maybe they did something about burn in dunno)
I really HATE OLED displays!!!
That's why I'm not gonna buy the Asus Zenbook 14
The fact that dell removed the QHD IPS display on the XPS 13 was the last straw; that and the lack of a physical functions row.
Now my only option is HP, since getting a Framework laptop to Mexico is complicated
All that oled glory will become nothing after you see your first burn in , i even was ashamed to take my old fhone ( s9+) to a party bc the screen burning it had in screen
I have one phone bought in 2015, Amoled screen, it has at least 35,000 hours of static content on it, I don't see any burn-in, still use it occasionally)
@@Sergjji whats youre fhone?
@@kiarashhemati2541 1+ 5t
So the short answer is YES
Correct
Does Asus use hydrogen or deuterium in their OLEDs. If hydrogen, your screen is much more susceptible to burn in.
All of oled screens use hydrogen cuZ "deuterium" is heavy hydrogen
That's not too bad. I think given this burn in is not really an issue for normal use.
Thats why i prefer ips displays......