The CRAZIEST Deltarune theory ever: TWILIGHT ZONE THEORY (Jevil & Spamton)
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- So... You want to hear about the craziest theory in Deltarune history. Because in This Video, I argue that Deltarunes Secret boss Plotline, and the characters of Jevil from Deltarune chapter 1 and Spamton from Deltarune chapter 2, are actually a Reference to a Episode of the Twilight zone "5 Characters in search of a exit"...
Tonight's episode of the Twilight zone is Somewhat Unique and calls for a different kind of introduction...
0:00 Intro
1:47 Plot Synopsis
5:02 Narative Parallels
6:14 Jevil
7:14 Spamton
7:55 The 5 character Theory
9:13 How Gaster fits in
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EDIT: Thank you so much for 10K Views, as a thank you, ill answer some Frequently asked questions:
"Why isnt Spamton the major"
This is my most common FAQ. Put simply i think the Major has to be the last conventional secret boss (chapter 5) since the Major and the clown are the main characters in the episode, and exact opposites. Plus the Major actually broke free from the cylinder, whereas Spamton couldn't "See past the dark". Also I'm really confident with the Spamton and hobo death connection.
"Will the bagpiper play the song from the sea"
that's a idea i didn't think about. the song from the sea is very complex. I don't think i can answer that one (AKA Thats a future theory. Another crazy one, so very on brand)...
"So is Gaster the chapter 6 secret boss"
I personally don’t think Gaster will be a secret boss for chapter 6/7. I don’t know/cant predict how many secret bosses the game will have but it might just be 5 (If its more, they wont fit into the theory). However I personally do think that Gaster will be Introduced as a character in chapter 6. After “the Majors” attempt to escape. IDK what Gasters role in the story plot wise will be, but I’m really confident with the Grey door connection and the musical comparison (even if my understanding of music theory is non existent.
"So is Gaster Rod Sterling"
Well i didn't want to say it... but Possibly. personally was thinking of Gaster as more of a representation of the "Twilight zone" itself.
Toby Fox trying to base his game on Earthbound, Chess, Toy Story, The Twilight Zone, and probably a bunch of other obscure things:
He’ll find a way, I’m sure.
Ballerina woody 💀
Don't forget an old commercial for Big Shot soda
I actually like the idea of Spamton being the Major a little bit more, as they both seek freedom at all costs and vehemently refuse to accept fate. The Major and the Clown also directly interact with each other, similar to how Spamton and Jevil have an implied connection.
Honestly, even if this doesn't turn out to be entirely true, I wouldn't be surprised if Toby got some inspiration from this Twilight Zone episode.
Also Gaster is Rod Sterling wearing a funny costume, this is my current headcanon.
The unloved part also lines up with the joker often being left out of many card games and I don't know anyone who likes spam.
There was a whole Monty Python skit about it even
@@pteroid11 Wrong type of spam lol
@@DeciDeci_actually, they’re more interconnected than you’d think! The reason internet spam is called that is actually because of that Monty Python skit. A long time ago, there was a common joke in chat rooms where everyone would just write the word spam, over and over and over, in reference to the song from the aforementioned Monty Python skit. This would completely fill up the chat room, rendering it impossible to have a normal conversation. That’s why it’s called spam. Because the first spam was spam.
@@RadicalGarrywhat's the opposite of 🤓? . When you make a joke better rather than ruining it?
As soon as we meet ALL the secret bosses, let's put them all in a metal cylinder!
I think that the donation bin being for specifically Christmas toys is perhaps another relevant detail because of Noelle, Dess, and the Holiday family in general. Nothing about this detail is relevant to the theory but it is another odd coincidence.
When I first heard Gaster’s theme, I immediately thought of The Twilight Zone. It has to be the inspiration for it.
Anyways, about the ballerina, she’s the one who suggests that she and the other prisoners are “unloved.” For the longest time, I’ve had the hunch the chapter 3 would have a secret boss longing to be loved. So far the secret bosses had an internal conflict that Kris also has (Jevil and being disillusion, plus Spamton and fear of losing control). I feel at least one of the secret bosses will have to relate to Kris’ fear of being unloved. I have a strong feeling that Chapter 3’s secret boss will be a former entertainer (possibly a ballerina) who used to be adored by everyone who now has no one who cares about them. Kris, who feels abandoned by their brother and worries their parents will do the same, can relate.
I really like how you describe the ballerina here. You’ve helped me see her as a actual Deltarune boss!
I love the idea of the Secret bosses reflecting Kris character in some way, and a secret boss focusing on Kris abandonment issues because of the divorce, Asriel leaving etc is a cool idea and is also Different from the Spamton Kris connection.
@@ValueNetwork It is a pretty common fan theory that chapter 3’s secret boss will be the embodiment of the flowers Toriel keeps throwing away in the trash
*creative freedom intensifies*
I mean marineflames’s fanmade chapter 3 secret boss is a literal ballerina.
Kris uses they/them
I especially think you are spot on with the ballerina’s characterization for the chapter 3 boss. With the existing parallels between jevil and spamton with Chris and Susie respectively it stands to reason the next secret boss will be a Ralsei stand in. The ballerina’s total consignment to her fate could mirror Ralsei’s obedience and themes of pre-destiny. Just one more bit of evidence for the pile.
WAIT YOU'RE RIGHT
So who do the other two parallel? Noelle and Birdly?
How exactly do Jevil and Spamton parallel Kris and Susie?
@@val_halla7768Spamton’s whole puppet motif mirrors Kris being “puppeted” by you, the player. As for Jevil and Susie… I actually don’t know.
@@RadicalGarryThe Jevil-Susie connection is often made as a process-of-elimination comparison to the much more obvious Spamton-Kris connection.
Mainly it's due to Jevil's weapon going to Susie + reducing the TP cost of Rude Buster, their shared destructive/rebellious tendencies (though it's much more serious on Jevil's end), and the fact that Chapter 1's Dark World already had an affinity with Susie, similar to how the Cyber World was very Noelle-centric
I'm watching the theory for a second time and wondering. Imagine if the Bagpiper inspired character would have something to do with the "song coming from the sea", the one that Onionsan mentions. That would be wild.
Would it make sense for thr 'Bagpiper' to be a seashell then? They're naturally discarded when conches die, left adrift and trapped by waves or currents, and you can 'hear the ocean' when you put one to your ear
Well, I am not the biggest fan of people using different pieces of literature to predict the future of Deltarune (see skys forever blue) but this one seemed a little interesting to me. The moment I saw the part where the characters turned to toys, I knew you were on to something with this one.
The grey door was something interesting though. The connection of Gaster's theme with the Twilight Zone theme however, there's some similarities there. The intervals aren't the same but the repeating arpeggio element is there. I don't think these two have any connection though with how common arpeggios are in music.
I don't know, there's a lot of coincidences with this one. Some of the same or similar ideas and themes are there but that's about it.
What's Skys Forever Blue?
@@gaminganimators7000 Skies Forever Blue is a music video created by Toby Fox and Itoki Hana (among others)
Imagine, If Gaster is reveled to just be twilight zone narrator Rod Serling, wearing a mask.
I don't you if you intended this gut the way you describe how the characters related to the chapter 3,4 and 5 secret bosses reminded me of how Foane, Helel and Occazio. One trying repeatedly to reach freedom for who knows how long and eventually giving up, one being entirely uninterested in it in favour of their own goals and the last being the most knowledgable and refusing to fail where all others have.
It was coincidental BUT I did realise the connection Between the Major and Occazio when writing the script. But Although Foane and Occazio do line up surprisingly well, the Bagpiper Doesn't fit with Halel IMO. My idea behind the bagpiper is a character whos denying being a secret boss, "Jevil but with denial" as i put it. Whereas Halel is way more knowledgeable, Shes more motivated by Greif and anger.
If you want a Fandom secret boss to compare the Bagpiper too, Solis by Marineflames might work better. A character who is so extremely in denial of what the shadow crystal gave them that hes willing to rewind time to go back to before he got the crystal
@@ValueNetwork I think my Secret Boss character is somewhat similar to the ballerina, but I don't think she really "accepts" fate
I know right? What a big coincidence.
Cool to see other people tying Deltarune with other pieces of media. Personally I think Gaster is much like Dr. Manhattan, with them both being torn apart (I'm a person who thinks Mystery Man is not Gaster, it's an unpopular opinion) and gaining godlike omniscience.
This theory is actually genius and fits all the boxes, but the Gaster Theme part is what sold me, especially after watching Andrew's video about it
edit: who the hell used a dislike bot?
....except, according to Andrew's Gaster's Theme logic, the Twilight Zone meets pretty much none of the requirements - it doesn't even pass the first bar of having 3 distinct notes, let alone the intervals. Of course, it could still be part of the inspiration but if we're reaching towards that direction then "Who Are You?" from Final Fantasy seems more direct
@@trondordoesstuff I'm pretty sure that the twilight zone uses -1 -4 +4 +1 (if youtube piano tutorials are anything to go off of) which is a flipped gaster, and 4 instead of 7 was used a couple of times as a weak quote, once in scarlet forest. It's got repetition too, and it's a very exposed melody. If it was from deltarune it would very well in the interesting and unexpected category, since it's not it would have something like 120 on the brain rot scale.
@@dwarf17342 the only tie it has is the 1 X X 1 melody and repeating an exposed line, everything else is just trying to cram it into a box to make it fit. I feel he'd likely put it in the "moderate-high" area, since it'd be the only inverted one, and the scarlet forest 1441 was tenuous already
I absolutely think the Gaster part is true if nothing else. Like damn, everything about him screams Twilight Zone. How did I not notice before?
This is definitely one of the more creative and original theories I've seen.
It make sense for Gaster to be the sixth secret boss, i guess? many people assume he will be an important character, but the fact that after fifth he will be the sixth kinda fitting for him.
@megumegumumu5836
who gonna be the 7th then?
@@chongwillson972maybe there is no seventh.
@@darkmodeenjoyer3367 perhaps the angel as 7 is seen to be a holy number and 777 represents god
@@chongwillson972temmie
Okay, I have a theory on who the seventh boss could be that would, at the very least, be really damn amazing.
What-If the seventh boss is Kris fighting against himself in some way, like maybe Kris fights the Dark World form of himself, or has a battle against his Soul. Alotta ways Toby could do it
A Twilight Zone reference would be really really cool but IMO I think that woody theory is waaaay more likely. Yes, Jevil and maybe Spamton resemble two characters from that episode but two isn't a pattern. Pretty much the only evidence for this theory is Gaster's theme is similar to the Twilight Zone's theme.
Still cool seeing The Twilight Zone being talked about nowadays. Very based show.
It's so hilarious how much traction Woody Theory has. Like I can't believe how convincing it is despite being so outlandish.
@@umyum3858 With Toby Fox referencing cowboy shows in a suspicious way in the recent blog post plus him randomly reblogging his old Woody shitpost, its not a huge leap to at least assume deltarune Ch 3 will in some way have a character related to cowboys.
It's still less of a leap of logic than 'a clown and a homeless person exist both in Deltarune and in one episode of The Twilight Zone therefore every one of deltarune's superbosses will be a reference to that episode'
Woody Theory could still work
Maybe it's mixed around and the Chapter Three Boss actually represents the Major
i think the door is a really good point outside of this theory, the imagery lines up if gaster is taking a sort of rod serling position in the story, watching and narrating for an audience from afar.
I feel like the major better represents Spamton. Both are very desperate and in a way both want to “reach” heaven.
extremely interesting considering one of toby's deleted cryptic old posts
"at shadow's edge, shatter the twilight reverie"
tbh I originally watched this just cause I thought it'd be typical crazy out-there theory fun, and...it still is, like this is definitely a crazy theory that more than likely isn't true, BUT-I really love it. Idk, maybe I'm heavily biased since not only do I love Twilight Zone as a whole, I also remember being intrigued by this specific episode and liking it, but the theme of forgotten and unloved objects seeing the truth of their world/reality, how they accept their fates and all that...I mean, yeah, it really parallels nicely to our current secret bosses, and most likely future secret bosses as well. Good video :)
I’m not gonna lie, this has some good water to hold. While I can believe that Toby could have gotten inspiration from the twilight zone episode, im not sure how much of a extent he would plan to use it. The gray door, the trapped people being toys, and the parallels with the hobo and clown fit really well. The only issue is that i don’t think that Toby would take this much from just one episode of the twilight zone. This would be basing whatever the origin of the secret bosses and gaster on top of a story outside of the scope of the game, something I don’t think he would write that easily. Not to mention that if the internet where to discover the connections before the game comes out, there would be a high chance that they would be spoiled, something I think Toby would like to avoid. He may have used the toy characters for references for the first two secret bosses, but now plans to not use the other toys for the rest, either using inspiration from other obscure media (I’m not saying TZ is obscure, just the episode is as it’s one of many the show had produced) for the rest of the bosses or just writing them from his and his teams own creativity. Time will only tell though, as he already has the major story beats written for the rest of the game, so changing them now is unlikely, even if this therroy is right and he prioritizes letting the community not guess the next step in the story.
All in all though, this is a fun theory. I see some parts are probably about 95% true to the case, and I can’t wait to see how this ages when the rest of the chapters come out.
Considering that Toby Fox referenceed a commercial literly nobody knew about until spamton became popular, I wouldn't be suprised if there is something else out there nobody really knows about that heavily inspired Toby Fox. Keep in mind that Deltarune came to him in a fever dream and it must have took some aspects of things he recently experienced. So as wacky as it is I you have made quite the observation! Theorizing is meant to be fun in the end so it's alright if we end being wrong because we can look back and chuckle a little, but who knows? You could be right. Loved the video!
chapter 3,4 and 5 are all releasing together so this would probably mean some kind of drastic shift from the norm(including secret bosses?) in 6+7. having a group of 5 be inspiration for said bosses would make sense then.
Sense when we're chapters 3,4 and 5 releasing all at once?
@@regilad_9043 toby has said multiple times that he's planning on releasing chapters 3, 4 and 5 all together and they'll cost money
if i may add on to this, the ballerina could actually work as either a green soul fight (DDR) or the purple mode (which resembles music notes/a rhythmic dance from line to line); assuming chess theory is proven correct and the 4th dark world is in the church; the bagpiper could work as some sort of discarded instrument(broken church organ?), with the aforementioned soul modes still working due to the musical nature of the fight. the major could honestly work as any of the other colors, due to his bravery in trying to escape the prison, patience in convincing his fellow prisoners to help in said escape, and his integrity shown by him staying constantly focused and not giving up hope despite his odds (though i personally lean towards bravery since it is the most "martial" of the soul traits)
p.s. do you think the soul modes are going to be determined by the order in which the human's items or by reversing the order of the genocide bosses, and what is your opinion on chess theory?
One notable thing about Season 3, Episode 14, is that as a date it is 3/14, or a number similar to 4/13, the date Homestuck was released. Homestuck itself references this number a lot. If Toby wanted to reference a Twilight zone episode, it would probably be this one.
Homestuck started on a 4/13.
@@YmilliaineOh yeah, you're right but the comic still uses 314 as a number to reference as well.
This...surprisingly makes A LOT of sense??? Its so funny to me that Toby can put so many inspirations and symbolism in one single game.
Could the ballerina be the Pink girl from skies forever blue?
The ballerina sugests the idea they are "unloved" and the Pink girl(lets call her sky for convinience) whole thing is how she fell in Love with the player of her game only to be abandoned for a long time when her player forgot about the game. And in the end when player came back and she saw "heaven" the game broke.
She also fits as a secret boss, being aware of the nature of her world, powerfull(lv 99), freedom theme, and could easily work as a parallel to ours and kris relation ship.
Also her pink dress and ribon reminds me of a ballerina .
Also she apearing in the game as a darkner is completaly plausible as she is a gameboy character and ch 2 shows that programs can become darkners to
i’m pretty sure she’s supposed to represent dess.
Feed my brain rot my friend! Feed it!
Next time cover how Woody from ,,Toy Story " is actually the Knight and final piece in completing the theory how Ice-E is the final boss in Ch7.
when you first showed the twilight zone i kinda thought this was gonna be stupid but i finished the video and like no joke think this might happen
Also gaster, Gaster's room? And followers are all in black and white... 👀👀👀 Just like the twilight zone?!??!? 🤯
That one depiction of game art for Kris staring at the knight from the stairs would be so sick for a poster. Like up each stair has its own material and in the background is like all the places you been and possibly even the knight being papyrus
Do I think this is the answer to Deltarune? No, but I think you're dead on that it's very clearly inspired. I doubt things will line up perfectly, they already don't really with Spamton and the hobo, but I had the thought myself that the Mystery Man theme had a weird similarity to the Twilight Zone theme, and the various phases of denial and acceptance of the secret bosses also lines up incredibly well.
I don't think it's a stretch that Toby Fox would intentionally hearken your mind back to Mr. Serling specifically to invoke that same uneasy feeling that the show presents you with. The black and white theme, the gray door, and even the appearance of the Mystery Man all line up way too well. I'm surprised you didn't mention it, but one of the biggest hallmarks of Gaster so far seems to be the monochrome appearance of his followers, almost as if he's viewing the world through the perspective of an old TV show...
I love you,crazy theoryst
This makes a lot of sense actually! It could be that this episode was a very big inspiration for Deltarune. I'm excited to see if future secret bosses continue to line up with the show's characters and motifs. Well done!
I love super outlandish theories because I'd rather we come up with insane shit and have it be wrong than always playing it safe
8:05 My oc is literally the major. My character known as the pawn is the leader as well as secret boss of the chapter 5 dark world. He strongly goes against fate as he wants Kris soul to be able to have choice and to stop the knight on his own. Not necessarily similar but he as a leader of people not aware of their prison he has to put a facade which slowly cracks due to pressure and opportunity for freedom provided by your soul. Their soul type is blue or integrity as they are an Important but mistreated item in the light world specifically an item in sans' shop which is the dark world location. The trait matches as integrity is honesty and he can't be honest about his feelings because his people will think he's crazy like the other secret bosses. He goes against the other secret bosses in different ways(despises jevil's denial of being free and spamton's reliance on others and a similar major lack of integrity as an advertising salesman) though it isn't relevant to the theory. He is like sans in undertale who thinks they can't stop you but the difference is that pawn tries to anyways like Spamton. Though Jevil is in acceptance so he refuses to try, he is in denial because he accepted his fate. Also because he is the dark world leader, during a weird route of sorts, he can build a mech like giga queen to stop you, except this time is much worse. The major attempting to break free can represent the pawn seeing the state of how and who created them(explaining a hatred for sans) as well as breaking free of the knight's control. He accepts that he can't break free but still places his hopes on kris to be happy as the one who truly understands their plight.
Also Solis. If you know you know.
Though he fights against fate rather than acceptance and dream but he IS a ballerina, so 1/2 points.
You know, I saw a lot of people theorize about what would happen if you opened a Dark Fountain in a Dark World.
What if it gave access to an area called the Twilight Zone, and it's in this Twilight Zone that Dess is trapped ?
Ok... That sounds cool. Im hearing you out...
@@ValueNetwork Well that's all I got actually ^^' My theory is more of a speculation with no actual evidence that's based on this possible Deltarune inspiration that is Twilight Zone.
As for the Dark Fountain in a Dark World thing, I didn't come up with it and I'm pretty sure there are several videos diving in the subject better than I would ^^' So I'll let you search for that if you want.
This is a fun theory.
Even if wrong drawing a parallel between the episode and the secret bosses due to similar theming could be interesting.
This is probably the most convincing Deltarune theory I’ve seen, It’s incredible!! If you’re right about this you are going down as a [[BIG SHOT]] in the community.
id like to see some sort of a rundown on obscure media references in undertale/deltarune. theories like this i think rely on toby having consumed all pieces of media ever created
If we assume that the narrator at the beginning of Deltarune is Gaster, it's possible to imagine that the 6th and 7th characters represent Gaster/The Narrator from The Twilight Zone and the Player/Viewer. This interpretation arises from the similarity between Gaster and The Narrator as omnipresent entities who directly present intriguing stories for observation directly us the Viewer.
The whole line of "...We will not end the nightmare, we'll only explain it..." reads a lot like a thing that Gaster would only say like in Entry 13 or Toby's Twitter "Hacks".
Furthermore, both Deltarune and The Twilight Zone share the element of a liminal drug trip in their introductions. This parallel is notable as it sets the stage for both of their subsequent stories. It's interesting to note that the themes of "ANOTHER HIM" in Deltarune's introduction contain the Gaster Leitmotif, while The Twilight Zone's theme has been mentioned to sound similar to Gaster's Theme.
inb4 the Player's Vessel and Gaster become optional superbosses for 310%-ing the game
I love this theory, it has some cool parallels!!
If twilight zone theory cannon, I will legit drink water.
Ok bet
this is one of those great theories like how you mention you only believe that there is a 10% chance of it being true, but if it is true you get to take credit in calling it!
I like the twilight zone theme and gaster theme comparison, along with the door. this is a very fun theory.
I never heard of Twilight Zone, seems interesting, I'll give the serie a watch.
It's one of the best anthology shows ever made and had a massive influence on all sorts of shows, movies, and books. Totally worth a watch.
Please give the original series a go. It is absolutely one of the most ingenious pieces of sci-fi media ever made. If you're looking at episodes to start off on, consider The Obsolete Man, The Monsters are Due on Maple Street, Walking Distance, or Eye of the Beholder.
I like this theory it really lines up with all secret bosses being unwanted toys so the next secret boss might be a type of balerina
So six secret bosses for seven chapters? Although I will admit it's possible Seam himself will serve as the last secret boss. I guess you could make that fit but I think the Seam thing for other reasons
*themselves
I just realised that the Twilight Zone guy (I don't know his name) looks strangely similar to Gaster, the black suit, and white middle part. It's just that gaster has no hair. Also Gaster is someone who is beyond the regular world, the curator (twilight zone guy) is shown to beyond everything, sitting in the stars sometimes, watching everything going on while nobody else notices him, just as gaster has a good chance of not being seen, unnoticed.
I have a question, have you seen The Amazing Digital Circus? Because I think this theory can also apply to that as well. This theory makes sense to Deltarune, and I know Gooseworx has done alot of Deltarune content in the past. Since TADC is their work, I wonder if this theory can apply to that as well? What do you think?
Great stuff, this and your last theory vid got a subscription from me! If you dont mind some constructive criticism though, perhaps you could talk a bit slower and focus on enunciation more in future videos? At times it can be pretty difficult to follow what you're saying.
i wasnt convinced until you started talking about the gray door and the music being similar. NO WAY. HAHA
This is a pretty thin connection, and certainly not intentional, but I see Toby as having some similarities to Rod Serling. A true progressive, but also a true creative, his work unhindered but also enhanced by his politics.
I doubt Gaster will be a secret boss, i'd guess that would be The Vessel, but with the gmans connections to the number 6 we probably will see him in that chapter
one of the most memorable deltarune theories
amazing video overall but the intro could be shorter
4:55 i also wonder if the game Pathologic was inspired by this
I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING IF THE CHAPTER 4 SECRET BOSS IS BASED ON THE BAGPIPER
Y'KNOW THAT ONE LINE IN UNDERTALE FROM ALPHYS WHERE SHE SAYS "In Chapter 4, everyone goes to the beach." AND HOW WE GET A TEASER OF SUSIE AND KRIS AT THE LAKE?
WELL, ONISION MENTIONS HEARING A "SONG" AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LAKE.
Honestly, I can connect the Ballerina to Woody since Woody broke his arm in Toy Story 2.
And I think there may be a sort of tie in to the canceled show too...
Them feeling grief, yet want to escape this purgatory.
I think breaking the secret Boss' arm would be the way to end it... A severing that denies them access to Heaven. For them to realize they cannot move to the higher existence.
Never thought about that but the two melodies definitely have the same melodic contour (I think that's probably what you're noticing)
Aw hell naw deltarune's secret bosses done contracted Smurfette syndrome 💀
You know the major seems to fit Kris more than any random secret boss, he seems to keep trying to wrench control away from the SOUL/Player at the end of each chapter
I believe ur theory more than you do. I doubt its all based on the 1 episode but inowing toby i could see him taking heavy inspiration from the Twilight zone. The parallel that really makes it apparent is the door in my opinion
Halfbreadchaos made video about the OG mysteryman sprite and the Horse stable and how it might've been an Alpha version to the Mystery man event. The fact that the doors has the 4 engraved pannels just like twilight zone is uncanny, Toby could've made the door look like any other door in the game but chose that one and i find that....very...very... interesting :)
I have a similar theory about how Undertale and Deltarune are based on Higurashi & Umineko
idk if this has been mentioned already but twilight zone and dark world are pretty synonymous with each other
You know, that might just make sense. Both that twilight episode and deltarune secret bosses might just be based on the same thing: nihilistic philosophers.
This Is a great theory, if i had to Guess the Major could be Kris since Who else has watched all these secret bosses fail to reach Freedom but us and frisk, sure, Susie and Ralsei also saw them, but Susie didnt talk with spamton nor did She really get what was happening, meanwhile even if ralsei does know what Is happening he doesnt seem to try and fight It as much as Kris does
Also Kris Sporting the look of a knight does fit the military theme of the major
Can't wait for it to come out on sep or October
Twilight Zone and Deltarune, two things I fucking love in one theory? Ok, you've got my full attention.
The Major, if tied with the theory Chapter 3's boss is a cowboy, could actually make him the third boss.
So basically
Chapter 4 is gonna be the ballerina
and chapter 5 is the instrument guy
odd though possibly because the chapter 5 boss might be someone trying to reach heaven and they actually do?
Cool theory :)
i love weird theories like these
I feel like the third boss would be the major due to wanting to escape like the previous ones and the cowboy theory
1) I put the Major in 5th because the clown is 1st. Also because the last secret boss being the strongest and most knowledgeable makes sense to me
2) A army Major isn’t a cowboy. This theory is sadly incompatible with woody theory (although I definitely believe in woody theory more than this!)
craziest? nah thats woody theory 😎
Cool that's my head cannon now
Rod Serling is Gaster
I didn’t want to say it, so I’m glad you was brave for me
You raise your "Twilight Zone Theory" as completely insane, I raise my "The Player is The Speed Force Theory".
The only evidence for this is that The Speed Force has allowed Barry to cause a reset while retaining his memories, much like how we, The Player, also can cause resets that no one else remembers, besides select individuals (Chara for definite, Maybe Gaster and Kris (although Kris is a shot in the *dark* you might say)).
Me after skipping the episode synopsis because I watched the entire series years and years ago and still remember every single episode beat for beat
Another interesting connection i thought of here is with the piper and the "old song that comes from the sea". Perhaps this is foreshadowing the boss based on the piper, who will play the song from the sea.
The song from the sea is a entirely different can of worms theory wise. Don’t get me started on “Deltarune is the book of revelation from the Bible” theory (I’m not joking)
@@ValueNetworkdo go on
What no new deltarune chapter for 2 years does to a man
this is one of my fasvourite throies so far
I will say spamton wanting desperately to get out, to the point of Just Barely making it, only to be thrown back seems quite similar of the army general.. Plus he argues and completely disagrees with the clown
But yeah its probably the hobo
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This theory is fucking awesome
Bloody brilliant
I always forget that episodes of the twilight zone are freaky and/or miserable
Interesting
Holy shit it's Zet Deltarune!
Is it just me or does the part of the twilight zone theme at 0:38 sound like Jevil’s theme?
Your next stop, the gaster zone XD.
Very interesting 🤔
Dude I literally had a theory that toby fox was IRL chosen by God to warn people of an alien invasion coming
You're gonna have to try a little harder than that for craziest deltarune theory
Please expand
That was fun
the ballerina is dess CONFIRMED
That interesting, huh.
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GASTER = ROD STERLING?!?!?!
Holy shit there are alot of connections
IM SOLD THIS IS THE BEST
Isn't their supposed to be a chapter 7 however? what of it's secret boss?
The one you thought was the chapter 5 one seems more like kris than anything