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Recently the Deltarune community has taken a harsh attitude towards crack theories. These theories are oftentimes overly complex, or require a number of conclusions to be jumped to. And yet, I feel like "Crack Theories" are some of the best the community has to offer. After all, well-beloved theories like "Woody Theory" and "Oberon Smog" are both theories people call "crack." In this Deltarune video I go over some fan-favorite (?) crack theories, discuss the fanbase's attitude towards unbelievable theories, and go over the value in theorizing in the firstplace
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FAQ:
"Spookydood, why did this take so long!?"
Well, originally this was planned for a Mid-December release. However as I describe in this video's conclusion, that video was VERY VERY BAD. It was focused on this very unfunny Shark Tank bit that at the time I thought was hysterical. It wasn't. Just before Christmas I kind of had to decide whether to delay it or not, and I figured a later video is better than a rushed/bad one. (Somewhere Mr. Miyamoto is smiling right now).
"Spookydood, the black border/CRT filter is annoying"
This is the first video of the new year, a year in which I hope to completely overhaul my channel. The CRT filter and black borders aren't necessarily permanent, I was just trying something for this video. I kinda like them. That being said I'm continuing to evolve and trying to improve the quality of my content each video. I'd also like to incorporate the Spookydood character in more unique ways. You know, really establish a strong brand.
"Are you going to disappear again?"
No. One of my goals this year is to upload every single week. And if I miss a week, I STILL have to make the video. That means there's going to be about 52 videos uploaded this year. Yes I'm serious. No they won't all be Deltarune.
Thanks for watching, and look forward to more uploads very soon!
Listen to no one. The filter is perfect.
Yo weekly uploads from one of the greats! Amazing! Just make sure to not drop in quality because of it!
Can’t wait! You’re very talented :)
Another Crack Theory of note:
Deltarune is (to a degree) similar to Homestuck :V
Namely, Gaster fuctioning similarly to Lord English (another Skeleton, who embodies Time, instead of Space), and has his band of Aspects/Minions.
Gamzee, Lil Cal, AutoResponder, Doc Scratch, so on and so forth.
The first two are actually what we DO have to compare to right now:
A Purple Clown who's Seen Too Much, and knows the Truth of his reality, and treats it as if it's a game.
You could even make a VERY strong comparison, comparing their themes (The Circus and The Carnival).
Less strong, but similar for Spamton.
Blinged Out Puppet, which contains/can contain a Soul (Versus and Big Shot).
And theoretically for Ch 3? Autoresponder, or AR. A Digital copy of Dirk whose main job is to just respond to messages while Dirk is busy, has serious issues with "not being the real Dirk" and such, eventually merged with Equius (who'd also be another Aspect of LE)
I like the CRT filter
The obvious takeaway from this video: One of Deltarune's secret bosses is going to be a monkey, and we just haven't seen it yet.
Kris had better have grabbed those bananas or they will be in *BIG* trouble!
@@SolibraeConfirmed that he will have two themes called "You're going to be in" and "BIG trouble"
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HE HAS NO STYLE
"Yeah, this is big brain time."
You know that part where you talked about how in the future somebody will just be able to experience the whole game at once made me realize: I'm gonna miss this period of the Deltarune fandom, we really should just enjoy this while it lasts. The full game releasing is going to feel bittersweet to me
im gonna miss the wait between chapters so much
deconstructing everything
finding every little detail
it kinda reminds me of what it was like to be in the Gravity Falls fandom while that show was still airing
Literally this! It’s gonna feel slightly melancholic and bittersweet when this period ends. Just been glad I’ve been here for it!
Absolutely
hopefully this isnt toby foxes last game
I try to judge theories not by how likely I think they are to be true, but rather how much I would enjoy it if they were. I dislike "Kris is dead" not because it's unrealistic but because I find it really upsetting. I like my own "Berdly is the knight" not because it's realistic but because it's really freaking funny
Yeah, like, Toby can get disturbing, but I honestly think that sounds too edgy for the sake of edginess. It takes away from the existential themes of Deltarune, themes of control and freedom. If Kris were dead, it would take away a big part of why I find Kris so interesting. I think Kris being compared to zombies and corpses is more characterization than anything else, Kris has always been weird, based on what we know.
literally same. like, i personally believe kris isnt actually literally controlled like a puppet by the soul/player but rather i interpret it as being more akin to how souls have been established to work by undertale, in which your soul is the source of your compassion and morality and empathy and such. if you, the soul, acts morally bad and evil, then kris does bad things, but if you, the soul, acts morally good and nice, then kris does good things. i think the removing of the soul is more about kris wanting to do things like eating the pie, slashing the tires to keep susie there, opening the dark world, but doesnt want to feel the guilt that comes along with it and doesnt want to be controlled by a moral compass in those instances. I thought of this at first bc to me the idea of the player puppeteering kris is just. kinda upsetting and overly depressing??? and imo seems polarizingly dark to the tone of the rest of the game even when put up against the secret bosses and snowgrave. not to mention it completely ruins all the fun interactions with all the other characters. also, it's just not now souls are established to work. there's no reason to assume that a human soul is any different from a monster soul in that. why go through all of that lore on how souls work with asriel in undertale only to completely toss that and make it completely different in deltarune? especially when you consider that deltarune was planned before undertale. (also, i know there's significant evidence against this, but there's also significant evidence for it and i think its completely probable)
Yeah that kind of theory, i.e "x is dead and you're playing a zombie"/"x is dead and this is them moving on"/"x is dying in a coma and this is a dream" etc are all just really boring concepts to me. Regardless of how much evidence or how likely to be true they might be, I just don't like them
This is why I don't like the theory that no matter what we do Kris will still hate us for controlling them in the end. Even if we do good things and try to make them happy too.
Not only would it be a very unsatisfying conclusion, it would make me dislike Kris as a character and also would seemingly rewrite the entire moral of Undertale as well.
@@penntopaper9305Honestly true. But sadly it seems like that's the direction Deltarune is going in, which is why currently, I like Undertale more.
I don’t like how you’ve made a false dichotomy where “safe theories” are boring and unimaginative, while “crack theories” are fun and full of imagination. In fact, separating all theories into two camps at all simplifies things too much. For example, saying that “Susie is Gaster” is undoubtedly a crack theory, but grouping it together with something like Woody Theory feels wrong, since Woody Theory actually takes what DR has already established into account, while “Susie is Gaster” has absolutely no evidence. On the flipside, safe theories can be really compelling. Andrew Cunningham’s theories are about as prudent as you can get, but the way he goes about it is by methodically finding the most likely answer to a question, which can result in a really interesting conclusions, even if it means upending theories that have less evidence (the Gaster Leitmotif video is the best example of this). Safe theories aren’t safe because they cling onto surface-level conclusions, they’re safe because they’re actually able to provide plausible answers, which (to me) is the point of theorizing. Most of them just so happen to tread lightly when it comes to speculation for obvious reasons.
You make a good point
I’m glad someone is finally talking about how just because a theory is wrong or a leap doesnt mean it’s bad. Great video :)
Agreed
The thought of playing deltarune for the first time in 10 years time and being able complete everything in 2 days is terrifying.
There was reddit post in r/Undertale couple weeks back, asking if you had to, would you rather delete UT or every UT AU. To me, Undertale isn't the 10 hours I spent playing it in 2016. It's the thousands of hours I spent obsessing over sans OCs, the countless edgy Chara fangames and art, the theories the youtubers, the comic dubs, the animations, and how UT is one half of what got me into programming. (Same as you, I'm glad noone will ever see my earlt UT fan games) So when the results of that post on reddit were overwhelmingly AUs, I was shocked. UT would not be what it is to me (and what I had assumed to be most people) without AUs.
I don’t know how, but this comment made me remember how i got introduced to Undertale.
I saw a in-game screenshot of Omega Flowey on Google+, went “WHAT IS THAT” in pure 2010 internet language and emoticons and spent several minutes trying to figure out what i was even looking at. And then i watched the videos that Jacksepticeye uploaded on Undertale.
Just saying, it would be cool trying to piece together an unknown game called undertale based on the countless fangames derived from it if the base game was ever gastered across time and space.
@@derekhansjimagine an ancient computer with the last copy of undertale that couldnt be uploaded or transferred
it would be the Unusual Golden Frying Pan of devices
Honestly, I don’t think water theory should be called a crack theory. In fact, it shouldn’t be called a theory at all. The game literally connects water and darkness together in multiple ways on numerous occasions. Unless Toby just abruptly stops doing this in future chapters, water theory should be taken much more seriously. Of course, I’m not saying that every single theory that uses water theory as a tool should be considered true.
Yeah, the water theory is less a theory and more just a basic thematic connection.
Water Theory is basically just... normal analysis of Symbols in Storytelling. Like... thats just how Synbols work. Imagery used to represent a greater idea.
I love listening to all of the Deltarune theories and watching people like Merg play the fan games. It’s all in good fun. I think people forget that both Undertale and Deltarune started with a guy using his imagination to do the same thing on a Nintendo game.
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Based Merg Fan
I didn't realize being a "crack theory" was a turnoff for some people
Whenever I hear the words crack theory I get excited because I expect to hear something really out there and creative and fun to think about ^^
Thanks for making this video, it's pretty good 🙂
Me too! Crack theories are so fun and full of creativity. Which people love to call "leaps in logic," and I find that incredibly sad. What's the point of fandom if we're not being crazy and goofing off? Anyways.
What's your favorite crack theory? And I don't just mean Deltarune. Mine is a Genshin one: Sucrose is connected to the ancient dead kingdom of Khaenri'ah. It's so silly and kind of useless because Sucrose is a side character with less than 30 minutes of screentime but I love it and I love her so. Yeah. Lol.
@catdownthestreet Mine is funnily enough the Woody theory
I just love the idea of Toby Fox randomly foreshadowing this on his Tumblr with ominous songs and probably laughing as he did it 😆
I also like to add to the crack theory that Toby could be foreshadowing Toriel burning down not-woody because he kept blazing all of his Toy Story posts, and then making blazing posts about blazing those posts.
Noelle froze the computer so Toriel could give the TV screen burn
@@CheesyLizzy That is truly hilarious. And understandable. It's a close second for me lol
My favorite crack theory is the one that says Mayor Holiday is actually a vigilante, explaining why she's always so busy and the crime so low.
this is canon to me in my heart now
This is more of a popular headcanon tham a crack theory, but I also like the one that says Mayor Holiday is one of those freaky looking deer monsters that you pulled the christmas ornaments off of in Undertale.
Thaaaats politics
Genuinely my favorite Deltarune theory of them all is Halfbread’s Ice-e theory, purely because of how absolutely insane it is.
Same
I am working on a theory vid myself based on connecting ICE-E, everyman, gaster, and the player
@@shadowspartanzeta7PLEASE tell me when/if that video is posted i need that theory
@@shadowspartanzeta7 Oh my gosh. Please let us know if you post it (or just part of it) anywhere, that sounds super stupid, in a good way lol
@@shadowspartanzeta71. WHERE.
2. another idea, a theory which treats every fanwork and theory as 100% canon
I feel like a lot of this "problem" comes from the fact that different types of content all get lumped together as "theory videos" even though they arent at all the same.
For example an analysis video has a totally different style to it than a speculation video.
There are Videos which basically just recap the lore thats said in the game which some people might not have seen.
There are analysis of of subtext that are basically bulletproof and accepted as fact in the community because its just logical.
There are actual theories, where evidence is gathered and a hypothesis for future lore is formed.
And lastly theres the crack theories or pure speculation videos which are at best "what ifs" and at worst have literally no evidence behind them and are just obviously wrong.
But they all get called a theory.
So if one person wants to see a video thats well evidenced but sees a just for fun theory he will not like it, and vice versa the person that just wants smth fun to think about will not like someone that goes "ermm aksually, according to this thats not possible".
At the end of the day this is just about having and managing different expectations for different content.
yeah this is a lot like i was thinkin. lots of things get called a theory, but the definition of a theory relies on its ability to be applied to greater things! if you cant believably do this from the get-go then it might be best to qualify it as an analysis or speculation and stuff.
Remember kids, Rose Quartz=Pink Diamond WAS a crack Steven Universe theory.
We sit in a timeline where Sans (and Papyrus) is now "Ness", anything is possible at this point.
Game Theory mentioned!
Fr though, theories are made in hopes that we might get something right eventually, just because it seems dumb now doesn't mean it will be forever. Plus people are allowed to make theories and have fun, which is exactly what the Sans is Ness theory was about.
When you mentioned how someone will be able to play the entirety of Deltarune within 2 days, and that won't be the Deltarune we're all experiencing right now, you know what that reminds me of?
Gravity Falls.
It reminds me of my own experience as a 10 year old watching Gravity Falls, making theories on Bill Cipher's role in the story and his motives, making predictions on how the plot and how it will progress, with nothing but breadcrumbs of secret codes and background details.
Someone sure as hell can binge Gravity Falls in like 2 days, but they'd miss the experience of waiting for that episode analysis video, that decoding the ciphers video.
One day that's going to happen to whatever Dan Salvato is cooking with DDLC's meta story.
One day that's going to happen to the Pokemon cross-generation Faller subplot.
One day that's going to happen to Deltarune.
So I'm glad I'm right here and right now experiencing it this way, making theories, seeing different perspectives and interpretations and coming up with my own conclusions.
Dude I remember making my own gravity falls crack theory because I didn't have access to the internet! It was so fun
As both an deltarune and a fnaf fan I envy the fnaf fandom because they theorize about anything and everything regardless of how ridiculous it sounds, but the deltarune and Undertale fandom always have the same 3 gaster knight Theory. I still love them tho
I wouldn't be jealous of the fnaf franchise, it's a lot more poorly written than ut/dr
That's because the story of the fnaf games is made up on the way and gets constantly retconned, as a result there is nothing solid to grasp onto. The story of Deltarune, however, is carefully planned and doesn't get retconned with every new chapter.
Y'all know people can get enjoyment in something despite its flaws right? Lmao
(I mean Kingdom Hearts and Blazblue fans exist and their stories/arcs are objectively not very well written!)
you don't have to mention the sotry; there's no Fnaf fan that'll go to war for that
we know the story is convoluted, retconned, and not planne dout. The thing is we don't gaf because the ongoing mystery keeps us coming back
so you can keep that to yourselves
I think FNAF is on the opposite end of the spectrum. With DR, you have a few facts, so elitists demand you make conservative theories that stick only to the safe spaces that the crumbs of story we have fit into. Meanwhile, with FNAF, there are so many facts, some of which contradicting each other, that you literally cannot make one single fully consistent theory (as the games themselves aren't) and yet elitists complain that you're nitpicking information because the hex color of pixel 26x961 in frame 28 of the minigame Porky Worky is actually Wine Red and not Rose Red and you are obviously ignoring this crucial bit of contradicting information on purpose to make your theory sound plausible!!! (When, in fact, it is impossible to make a decent FNAF theory nowadays without having to ignore at least one or two aspects unless you go super super safe a-la "William Afton is Springtrap")
@@TheGeladoo this too
truly, it is a curse I wouldn't put anyone through
----->UTDR and FNAF fan
As an avid hater of the Oberon Smog theory you make some incredible points. (Imo the main problem I have with Oberon smog is how much the believers insist it’s canon)
Yeah tbh thats my main problem with a lot of "crack theories" too: people insisting they are the only possible explanation/are literally canon and presenting theories/headcanons as fact to others. But thats an attitude problem that would be irritating regardless, rather than really being the fault of a theory- the wilder ones prob stick out more because their weird smug forcefulness clashes so blatantly with the visible weakness in the reasoning thats supposed to justify it.
What the fuck is an Oberon Smog
@@pancakes8670 Basically the theory that gersons dust got on a hammer, and that hammer got into a dark world somehow, creating a flowey-like situation where he holds the memories of gerson, but is a distinctly different person. The biggest problem (Not counting how confusing the whole premise is; we know his hammer is in the light world, buried under his grave.) is that it somehow involves a darkner creating a fountain, which has many issues (Like how he could even get to the library or old classroom, if he’s stuck in a dark world somewhere.)
I think Oberon smog is really cool
@@kaleeshsynth9994 That’s chill. I think it sucks ass but more power to you.
This has honestly motivated me even more on a fan project of mine. It isn't DT, but a long-form fanfic thing, and I've consistently wondered if I'm straying too far from things, but now I see it differently.
Do not look up deltarune kris kringle
You can't just say "Susie is half human" and not explain it.
The main parts of the theory is how much she seems to hate humans, the deleted blood sprite and how she says everyone bleeds but another monster asks what it's like to be made of blood, and her broken home life. Many think this means she may have a human parent who abandoned her
It's gonna be so strange in the future when Deltarune finally is finished and we've hyped up Gaster as the big overarching mastermind type and then he just turns out to be just some nerd in a basement geeking out about the idea of the universe being a simulation.
I hope this idea both is, and isn't true.
lol
one of my favorite theorists in the community is someone's tumblr sideblog where they post insane stream-of-consciousness gaster theories that are related to their own hyperspecific interpretation of him as a character. it's fantastic. i agree with almost none of what they said. but they're fun to read. sometimes that's all a theory needs to be
Sometimes I feel like fun isn't allowed in this community, like, Oberon Smog and Ralsei is dead theory are so oulandish but imagine if it was real? Cool, right? No, it's not for you because it wasn't Toby that came up with it.
What?
Sounds more like bad fanfiction to me, but who am I to judge.
Wait ralsei is dead?
@@shellpoptheepicswordmaster755I assume they meant Asriel is dead theory, which suggests that Kris accidentally killed Ralsei and lied about him going to college? It’s very very out there
@@shellpoptheepicswordmaster755 Asriel is Dead theory, TLDR:
Kris accidentally killed Asriel and absorbed his soul
Threw the dusty clothes on the storage closet (this got darknerfied through castle town's fountain, leading to Ralsei, who is basically Flowey Deltarune)
Kris lied to everyone in hometown, telling them that Asriel 'went to college', and starts studying the occult with catti to try to revive him or whatever
Kris starts being posessed by spooky Asriel ghost (So the player ain't a thing, it's all just Asriel's revengeful spirit)
i honestly just enjoy seeing all the ways you can slam random puzzle pieces together, there's a lot of things that could happen still so you really can just go crazy with theories
really, it's just a different way of sharing hype for me
maybe some people genuinely care about the game ending the way they want to with like a vessel fight where gaster calls you a slur in a touching earthbound halloween hack reference or something, but im enjoying overthinking the game until more of it comes out and then i play it and overthink it more
I never understood why people took "your choices dob't matter" at face value when it's the equivelant to kill or be killed, we are meant to fight it
It's said by Susie, which tbf does reject your commands
Personally I think the ending is always gonna be the same, but the way you get their and the way it effects the characters will be different. The roaring will always happen and the prophecy will always come true, but depending on your actions certain characters might not develop, certain friendships may not be made, etc.
who up oberoning their smog
She oberoning my smog till i rune
*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*
She gerson on my boom till I Oberon smog
she Winging my Ding til i Gaster, the Royal Scientist
she gerson on my boom till i oberon smog
Human, I remember you're LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER...
3:33 i refer this as the episode 3 dilemma which means after two initial episodes it takes literally forever for the third episode to release, the audience runs out of ideas, loses their sanity and we have crazy predictions that all end up mega wrong. I have already fallen for this in TPOT(the power of two)
Honestly, i agree - we are too harsh on crack theories. Until recently, people have been quick to beat down these kinds of theories, when instead we should be having conversations about why we disagree on certain theories. It's created a pretty toxic environment in some servers, and its why I don't talk as much on ACDS anymore.
I left that hellhole called ACDS and my life has became better, my academic success has been increased by a lot, less stressful life, more free time. That place fantasizes a geniunely bad person (sbeve) every fucking day for fucks sake. Leave it for your own good, they are not worth it. What did i expect from a Homestuck fanboy's discord server anyway...
+2
I think its cus people present them with the exact same bombastic youtube clickbait DELTARUNE SOLVED attitude that grows tiresome after the like second time you ever hear it
Like people who think iceee is gonna be plot important are like “heres my wild insane theory guys” while Zombie Gerson Anagram Darkner fans are like “this is totally simple and logical and just as reasonable as “undyne will appear in chapter 3” theories”
someone should make the most out there crack theories and mske an entire timeline just to spite these people
your right people are far to toxic and rude when it comes to crack theories, debunking these theories is completely unnecessary, the fact of the matter is that if you disagree with a theory the only thing that needs to be said is "I disagree". People should be more focused on just making their own theories then trying to prove that other peoples are wrong. But what I think is really interesting is that a lot of anti theorists will often time use logic on the same level as the crack theorists closest knight theory being a perfect example, a anti theory made for the sole purpose of debunking Kris knight, with evidence and logic that's on par with the average crack theories.
I do feel like a issue with the fandom over all is that people will make assumptions and then treat them as foregone conclusions and will often shut down anyone who has a different take, example of this being people believing that Kris needs the soul to live and that this is why they put the soul back in, I for one don't believe this at all I think that Kris could live without the soul but the reason why they put it back in is because they need it to seal the fountains. Its fine to come to a personally conclusion but you shouldn't try to shut ideas down just because they don't align with your interpretation of things.
Honesty I feel that people that spend there time in the fandom trying to debunk everything are only setting themselves up for embarrassment as while yes 99% percent of theories are going to be wrong that's just how these things work at the end of the day with everyone making every possible guess there will be those 1% that are right. like yeah a lot of chapter 1 theories were wrong but at the same time almost every notable thing that happened in chapter 2 had a theory about it pie theory was a thing queen theory was a thing Noelle being a party member theory was a thing, and all the people who believed them where right. And the thing is making any correct theory is very impressive even if you also made other wrong theories, if you make 10 different theories and only one of them is right that's still a huge win. And if you make 10 theories and their all wrong then its really not a big deal because almost everyone does that, but if you assess the correct answer and decide that its wrong and that your going to go and make a big deal about proving its wrong and make a big post or video where you make the clam that its literally impossible, only for the game to come out and show that it was not only possible but was correct the whole time. Now that is really embarrassing.
I dont mind crack theories most of the time, But its when a theorist doesnt respect the watcher/reader's time that i get turned off /shrug
It's not that you're being shunned for reading into your fave videogame is that you're just... changing it so much might as well be, well, a fanfic at this point. My biggest gripe with crack theories is the seriousness they're treated with while completely ignoring very important elements to take into account when analyzing media such as theme and motif and whatnot.
I honestly want to see the Knight be revealed to be a character that can bend space-time and send Kris to Undertale, or Undertale characters to Deltarune. Just imagine Kris meeting an Asriel completely unknown to the Deltarune world, or how Kris' friends would react to... say, King Asgore and not sad poor flower-guy Asgore
i feel like when it comes to unserious theories made for fun or as a fanfic it shouldve been named as "headcanon theories" instead of regular theories, because like it or not some people just want to see serious theories to explain plot points and plotholes, but since silly theory videos and serious theory videos are all under the same category, it only takes watching the video to know if its gonna be serious or not, because at times the title can simply be "the mystery ralsei is hiding" and the video in the halfway point is explaining that ralsei was a type of plant only found in texas
Yeah, that and the way certain theorists love “burying the lead” until ten minutes in to maximise their watch time for a deeply unserious theory that would otherwise make people shrug and click off
another crack theory that i LOVE is that penumbra phantasm is going to be in deltarune. the more you think about it, the more it makes sense, IMO
I'll be honest I never understood that one? But thats more confusion than dislike.
Is it just bc of the name or is there some other reason?
@@olivia7782 the song "THE HOLY" sounds remarkably similar to the first part of it. when asked about it the song on his Tumblr, he replied, "AT SHADOWS EDGE, SHATTER THE TWILIGHT REVIERE." which also sounds similar to a, the prophecy that ralsei says, and b, to the tweet he made after having the fever dream that inspired deltarune. not to mention, toby likes reusing songs.
@@roseboil7713 Ohhhhh yeah thats understandable then. Huh.
Feels odd to imagine he would use it for Deltarune considering its big role in Homestuck's musical ecosystem and how heavily its intertwined with Doctor, but you don't just go around replying to tumblr asks with spooky theory-bait like that unless you have SOME sort of plan in mind
There are times when I disagree with theories not because I think they’re impossible, but because I don’t like the narrative that we would get if they were right.
‘Kris is the Knight’ is a perfectly valid theory and there’s plenty of evidence to back it up. Despite this, I dislike it because the mystery of the Knight is so compelling to me and it feels like revealing it as early as the second chapter would ruin it, for me personally.
I think that kris is the knight, but i also agree that the mystery being revealed so early would be boring. Thats why i also believe that the identity of the knight is not the real mystery, rather its why the knight is opening the dark fountains. Personally I think kris is responsible for Dess's disappearance, and they think that opening the fountains is going to bring her back somehow
I followed you because of how much woody theory blew me away! I though it was such a cool and creative idea. So thank you for making crack theories!
"with the whole world watching toby fox gave birth to his second child" is my new favorite quote
The only bad theories are ones that can be proved wrong with what we currently have. Example: My friend thinks the dark world’s are a shared hallucination between Kris, Susie, Noelle, and Burghley. This can be disproved with the simple fact that burghley is injured/dead after snowgrave in the home world
the deltarune fanbase is slowly approaching Lobotomy Kaisen tier and that scares me
I NEED Tobyfox to drop those chapters man
edit: I'm very glad you mentioned the concept of anti-theorists because I feel like they indirectly sap away half the fun when it comes to Deltarune discussion
Now of course are some theories just plain dumb stupid and wrong? Lol yeah (Toriel is homophobic is still my MOST hated theory to this day I get angry thinking about it)
But not all of them are. And the "crack" theories are often the most fun ones; Oberon Smog, Asriel's dust, and Woody theory are genuinely my favorite Deltarune theories that I hope are real
I will defend Sans=Ness with my life because the internet saw a man having fun with 2 of his favorite series and jumped him for it (absolutely asinine I'll never get over that)
Like oh?
You didn't say a safe theory like "Susie has a bad home life" or "Dess is related to Gaster"?
We're putting you in the contraption buddy. You're going in the machine
the pikmin curse
The "Toriel is homophobic" theory is so dumb.
She'd have stopped the kiss even if it were between a man and a woman.
Because it was very much not the time for intimate kissing, especially not infront of a child (even though said child have been through literal hell; which she had little to no knowledge about). She likely wouldn't have minded Undyne and Alphys kissing elsewhere.
The fact that Frisk is referred to with neutral pronouns in Undertale, along with Chara in the same game, which is said by Toby Fox to be for ambiquity, it may very well still be that the kids are non-binary. Toriel is very well likely to be okay with queerness, having adopted children she deeply loved that didn't have a traditional gender identity.
Her Deltarune counterpart also adopted a human child that is only referred to with they/them. Again, while Toby himself imply that's for ambiquity, so the player can insert themself, it's still probable Kris IS non-binary.
Thus that would again imply she's okay with non-traditonal gender identities. She has a child she clearly loves that is like that.
The religion in Hometown and likely most of the monster communities, and possibly humans', has an absence of sin according to Father Alvin.
Sin as a concept is simply to control people, by demoninizing people as sinners to use them as scapegoats and leverage other groups to do the religious leaders' bidding.
Which is why homosexual and transgender people have been so demonized through history and especially now.
Without sin like that, Toriel would have no reason to be against gay romance.
Rant over, two personal sidenotes:
Being trans myself, I wish I lived in a place like Hommetown, with a mother like Toriel. I've been badly damaged by fosterhomes who seemed to make cruelty a sport.
I'd have done all I could to make Toriel proud.
And, if/when we see DR Asriel, he better be the gayest looking femboy or I'm going to riot
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plus homophobic Toriel literally makes no sense if you think about it for 5 seconds and use Occam's razor
"Oh I can't STAND those gays."
"Nonbinary and nongender conforming people tho? Yeah they're aight"
like?????
Yeah the Sans is Ness theory wasn’t even that much of a stretch in its logic tbh.
In my opinion, it's bad because it's clickbait, yes, the evidence is bad, but even worse is that most of the video isn't toriel is homophobic, though that could be seen as a pro@@seekervaltriz9447
Tbh, this topic connects to just Fandom all over the Internet, and I feel like the toxicity and sometimes controversy that comes with the dismissal of fan created works, alternative universes, and crack theories is due to a lack of in person interaction surrounding the subjects.
r/deltarune has been feeling more and more like a crack theory hate circlejerk. thanks for making this
I have very few fully crack theories but one I want to be real is Ice-E being a super secret boss that's on the same level as like Sans was in terms of difficulty. Specifically I think maybe the eggs will unlock that because if anything screams "not too important or too unimportant" is the weird vaguely cryptid like restaurant mascot Toby Fox created that keeps coming up repeatedly but never in a particularly plot relevant way.
That or everyman for secret egg Boss would be great. I'm also a big fan of gumball machine/omega ice-e theory.
the amount of memories you dug up just by saying sans comic tv is actually insane
I think it’s just good for everyone to remember.
We’re all here to have fun and enjoy Toby’s work, share our interpretations and stories based on his work, and enjoy the story that he and his team slowly unfold to us.
I can't stand Mattpat's channel now because of the times he uses grizzly real life murders in his theories (off topic i know), but at the time I really did find the "Sans is Ness" theory really fun, and not to be taken too seriously.
Great video btw, people shouldn't be afraid to make fun and interesting theories
I genuinely cannot understand looking at the masterpiece of a fan-game, no, masterpiece of a GAME that is Undertale yellow and hating it because of a timeline issue
You weren't kidding when you said you were trying a new style. I like it! It looks pretty cool!
Also (almost forgot to say) BUT THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS! It feels like there's this growing crowd of people who have to turn every theory discussion into a lore competition where you flex your knowledge of "conventional" theories instead of actually trying to explore different possibilities! It's nice that this problem is being addressed now
I just wanna say I LOVE crack theories. Even though they aren’t usually the most believable, they are by far the most fun to think about. Theorising is one of the most fun and interesting parts of games like Deltarune so I don’t think people should be shamed by the community just because they came up with a unique idea
People were actually debasing intricate and unique theories?
Bruh, I never noticed any of this, but I live under a rock, so I'm glad you decided to bring it up in this video. Because people are really REALLY mean sometimes to people with different ideas.
Exactly what i have been thinking all this time, "crack" theories are actually really good for the whole community as it shows our creativity and communicate what direction we think deltarune is taking.
For example, i love the "asriel is dead" theory by jarujauj for the more dark and omori like direction it would take. Do i think its actually going to happen? Probably not but it does no harm and could make for a banger au, and thats why it saddens me so much the mockery he got for making that video.
its been quite a while since ive actually seen woody theory and i dont remember much about what it is but i do remember that i was pretty much convinced, and hoping so badly that it does become true
Is it just me or is Spookydood like the perfect deltarune TH-camr(yes, even better than me)? Like his solving deltarune video is honestly my favorite deltarune video ever and I am just 3 minutes into this one and I already love it and on top of that we have lots of other great theories and he also feels unique in the theories he makes with his thoughts about fiction and all.
I'm glad you made a video on this topic! Personally I find Jaru's theories to be some of the most entertaining Deltarune theories on the site, but the thing about them is that I don't believe a single one of them. I agree with some of the themes he expects Toby Fox to explore, but I don't believe in most of the actual events he predicts will take place. Most people in the fandom seem to share my belief on that, but instead of appreciating how entertaining or interesting they might be, people just dog on Jaru endlessly. At least from the places I've interacted with the Deltarune community, like on twitter and the lore channel in Andrew Cunningham's server, Jaru is just the fandom's punching bag that people will tirelessly make fun of for his theories. It really discourages me from wanting to put my own thoughts out there, and it makes me disappointed in the fandom to see such negativity and toxicity, especially from games that tend to be so positive. I wish more people would recognize that having fun is at the core of theorizing, and it's fun to hear out theories at are abnormal. And most importantly theories should never be met with toxicity.
But anyway, thanks for making this video. I hope that it can help sway the fandom to be more accepting of the riskier theories.
I will say, part of the reason that people trash Jaru's theories because he trashes others' in return. Like straight up calling people who believe that- based on the themes set on Ch. 1 and 2- the Soul Kris has belongs to/ is being controlled by the *player* and not some super mega ultra secret third entity- stupid and uncreative. I find that really obnoxious and unnecessarily mean, especially since he has that whole "I take offence to people comparing my theories to fanfiction" thing going on. Which. I think is definitely a losing battle tbh. That doesn't make being mean to him right, but it's just my personal findings
When it comes to MatPat, I hope if he *does* go back to Deltarune before retirement he actually. You know. Doesn't misgender Kris the entire time in the video. "Sans is Ness" sounds stupid as hell but to be FAIR, Toby's Earthbound Halloween Hack literally replaced the main character (Ness) with Varik from Brandish... and then implied that Varik was still Ness anyways
My crack theories:
Kris = Chara in a literal sense.
Kris is the deltarune version of Chara in the same way Undyne is the Deltarune version of Undyne. Why the different name? Well, first off, Chara is the only character whose name was changeable in Undertale, so even if Chara is their "true name", Kris might be their "true name" in the Deltarune universe. Aside from having a different name everything else about Chara and Kris just lines up perfectly. They're both the adoptive human child of the Dreemurrs, they're both the only human in a monster filled location, they both have a very close bond with Asriel, they both seem to dislike humans, they both love knives, they're both troublemakers (or genuinely troubled children), and they can both be described as "not very good people". Chara seemingly being more extreme than Kris can be chalked up to Chara being in a more extreme situation. The difference in skin color between them can be explained by a difference in sunlight exposure, the difference in height can be an age difference. Meanwhile their eye colors are the same (which is something that wouldn't change with age or sunlight exposure).
Kris is the ultimate mastermind behind most of the game's events to thwart and usurp Gaster.
Kris created Ralsei with the redhorn headband. Kris uses Ralsei as a *lackey* to help force the story they want to happen, as well as fooling Susie and the player. So in a way it's no Ralsei who is "evil" but Kris who is "evil". Kris stole the player from Gaster in the beginning of chapter 1 out of necessity, as the player was going to be instrumental in Gaster's plans. Kris doesn't enjoy being controlled by the player, but needs the player to achieve their final goal of overthrowing Gaster and bringing back Dess. Weird route represents the player rebelling against Kris. The secret bosses are puppets of Gaster.
How is kris evil for trying to get dess back?
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Whoops. Meant to put that evil between quote marks. Kris is "evil". They're not actually evil, but they will look evil (opening the fountains, using Ralsei as a tool/lackey).
AMAZING VIDEO! I agree with you. when I first got into watching deltarune theories, I was looking for background noise while I played minecraft. Now, it's become such a big part of my life both directly and indirectly. I've met people that I hope I have around for the rest of my life through this community. No matter if the super awesome crack theories aren't true once the game is said and done and out, I know someday in the future I'll hear an "Asriel's Dust" joke in passing and remember when we were all just a couple of idiots on the internet making dumb memes and staying up WAY too late
this is a peculiar video to me. I dont engage in UT/DT theory discussion enough to have a stake in any one theory, and I dont personally qualify woody theory or oberon smog as crack theories either. But i DO think a theory's value is its believability, actually! Like, a theory's job is to theorize. Thats not to say a theory's value is dependent on whether it ended up being correct-- at least not in fictional media. But the definition of a theory literally has to do with its plausibility or rationality because it is meant to serve as an explanation of something that could then be used in practice. If a theory isnt believable then it has no practical application, which is what theories are for.
I think there are time where the framing is the issue. That is, sometimes something really shouldnt be called a theory because it's better served as an interpretation, analysis, thought experiment, fanfiction or au fanfiction. Those are all wonderful things to be, but they dont all fulfill the need or value of a theory necessarily. And often theorycrafting does involve those other things, which i guess... is simply what the remaining value of a work will BE when that work stops being believable as a theory. So i would agree that these things are all very interrelated, but a *theory's* value AS a theory will always be its believability because that directly affects its ability to be applied to other things.
THANK YOU! It's refreshing seeing someone with such a reasonable, nuanced take here. Of course people tend to regard "crack" theories as lesser compared to theories with more supporting evidence behind them!
I remember when Jaru made his Oberon Smog theory, but to me, the name being an anagram wasn't presented as evidence, more like a fun idea of what his name might be if the theory were true.
Yeah that makes sense because like, the name is deeeeeply unconvincing and probably is what turns a lot of people off it, its SO tortured and “looking for something that fits”
@@mintw4241 I hadn't previously realized this is what came of the theory. Kind of ironic, as i remember the rest of it seemed well thought out, or at least interesting if anything.
I've only seen Chapter 2 recently, but my mind going nuts with other theories, even if they aren't widely accepted, it's fun. Like my mind conjuring the phrase "What if Kris is a Dark Fountain?" and one that gave me whiplash when I went after the community theories, more specifically concerning the end of chapter 2. Kinda long theory incoming.
My thought while seeing the ending was: Kris is the soul that the body throws into cages/sofa/etc, what we see controlling the body conjuring dark fountains is some sort of "piece/virus" of the knight, and with us, there are three forces after the body. The virus was the force that spoke with us while making the vessel, and they made us create it to kick us out when it's convenient for it, since we are working as some sort of facilitator (Look at what we did in Snowgrave. We were given the option, and we took it, despite Kris clearly not wanting that)... You can see how I got whiplash when I looked at youtube. Probably not really happening, but it was so fun to make up! Making things is supposed to be fun ;w;
Maybe because people just don't like having a third entity in kris
i feel like im gonna miss this era of speculation because of the sheer amount of speculation, creativity, and famworks that could have only come from this post chapter 2, pre chapters 3-4 era. if my youtube channel still exists and you read this in the future, there should be a playlist or two full of fan theories and fan content from this era of the utdr fandom, and a few prior works. i adore this community so much abd how everyone collaborates on how they percive this game and how they want to interpret it's themes. thank you spooky
I love this video sm, it genuinely put a smile on my face. The way you worded how us as a fandom and as people enjoy and consume this game and the media based on it, made me think about just how special this all is to me. I love this game, I love this fandom, and I can’t wait to see what we come up with next ;))) Excellent Video SpookyDood!!!!
I feel like a lot of the problem with a fandom for a game that’s only 2/7ths finished is that we’re pressured to turn everything into a “theory,” or make some type of larger guess about the future chapters to create meaning instead of being okay with analyzing the meaning that we can find for ourselves. Like for example with something like the water theory, it’s far more an analysis that draws parallels to themes and motifs and other allusions, but it gets written off as a “stretch” bc its like in order to find value in analysis it must be working towards a final absolute truth when rly thats the opposite point of literary examination. I LOVED the woody theory because it made me think of the similar messages and character archetypes across different texts, and it makes me sad that ppl would write it off as a crack theory instead of a solid dissection of those ideas. The best part about literary analysis (or in this case with games) is that it encourages each person’s own subjective interpretation of the source material, instead of striving to find an absolute truth. Making theories is an art, not an absolute science!
To submit a crack theory of my own: the Ch3 weird route may physically damage the TV.
Here's my thought process- CH2's weird route relied on a pun: Freezing Computer programs (which might we might be able to fix if we get Tasque Manager to help but thats a different theory)
The TV looks like an old CRT, which can get damaged if you leave an image on it too long. By burning the image into the screen, leaving a "ghost image." (unclear if it means Napstablook will show up. Ghosts without bodies can only be damaged by magic anyways...)
There's been the theory that Kris being downed will prompt toriel to be more agressive, but that also lines up with how we beat her in undertale. We don;t do anything at all. We just spare and wait. If Kris is targeted by the enemies, we sit in the same spot and take damage. Burning the image of the heart in the center of the battle box.
Actually now that I think about it a bit more I think that Napstablook will show up, and get burned into the tv. Because the only physical evidence of the weird route in Ch2 was Berdly (and Noelle's reactions to it).
Ch 1 not having a true weird route also kinda makes sense with this? You're dealing with board game pieces and playing cards. There isn't much you can do to damage them except by just. Physically damaging them. The darkners running away feels more like you're just flicking game pieces across the floor with Susie than anything permanent.
I agree with this for the most part, but I do think people need to chill with over analyzing everything tobyfox touches as having to do with deltarune. He can’t shitpost or even WORK on projects with other artists without people bringing it back to deltarune.
I do agree though, that theorizing on things not yet “tackled” in the game should be supported and celebrated. The game isn’t done yet, and it’s possible future chapters will completely tear the “patterns” fans have seen apart.
I only really dislike when people frame headcanon as a theory.
If the theory is based on something that there's no proof of, then it's not a theory, you just made it up entirely and it isn't interesting as a theory. You're just sharing the plot you want there to exist disregarding the existing story entirely.
You can just say "if X was a thing it would be cool and it would fit because of Y"
Hnstly I loved this video. I'm one of those people who at this point just watches Deltarune theories to get more content in a way. The amount of hours of Deltarune theories I've consumed are COUNTLESS, but I never expected to see a theory that had ALL the answers. There's something so magical to creating your own theories, or watching other people theorize and then having your expectations completely subverted for good, having some crazy reveal that no one considered. To me, it makes the experience even better, and most of the ideas that theorists bring to the table are really interesting, I've found so many great creators because of Deltarune theories, they're probably my favourite part of the fandom.
I don’t dislike Jaru’s theories because they are ‘Cuh-raaaazy’, I dislike them because they create a vision of Deltarune which just sounds like a disjointed bleak melange of misery porn with a post-it note reading ‘Toby’ll make it work’ slapped on top.
Also him wanting a psycho-lesbian Noelle storyline.
i'm okay with most of his theories, but the thing i don't like is how he seems to really like the idea of some snowgrave route creepy abusive relationship happening with noelle
I appreciate this video and your perspective on theory gatekeepers. I completely agree, creative freedom is being stifled. Keep on theorizing people! I love hearing everyone’s takes and ideas about the amazing experience of Deltarune.
When oinky sploinky was revealed to be controlled by his evil twin, Sploinky Oinky, I felt that
24:51 after all, we DID predict that Kris would eat the pie in chapter 2
19:35 You forgot to mention Scrappy-Doo was next to the monkey
Side-note: I really like this video, and I'm glad you can see theory-crafting as an art. It's good to see your craft as something meaningful.
Also, I remember talking with my brother late at night when I couldn't sleep about FNAF lore. It was really dumb. Here's a memorable example.
"Bro, so the next game that's being released is Sister LOCATION, right?"
"Yeah."
"And you remember that one video that said there was a GPS or tracker or whatever on Nightmare Fredbear's arm?" (Not even remotely true)
A short silence followed, accompanied by an eventual "Woaaaaah" as my brother and I eventually concluded our tiredness-induced crackpot theories, with the thought that nightmare fredbear would find somebody's sister with his GPS (yes, we were dumb). It was one of my favorite things to talk about when we couldn't sleep.
OMG TOBY FOX YOU GOTTA RELEASE DELTARUNE THE FANS ARE GOING CRAZYYYYY!1!!1!1!!1!1!!!!1
This video inspired me to finally crack down and make my own deltarune analysis video about Kris, and to also finally join a deltarune discord and talk about theories and try to make friends.
I said I believe that Kris was the knight and they essentially called me stupid and laughed me out
So I'm not making the video anymore lol
You really stepped up your editing and presentation for this one. Good work. I thought it looked dynamic.
Such a fun and thoughtful video- absolutely fantastic. Makes me want to revisit my own crack theory of the Annoying Dog being The Knight
I'm so glad someone finally said this.
Also MatPat has a deltarune theory in store and I'm so excited for it's release. But knowing his luck, chapter 3 and 4 will drop right before or after he posts his theory XD
when did he announce that?
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@@ScorpionTamerI watched the video and I couldn't find it
hmm it might be in one of his theories after his announcement. I'll have to look later
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@@ScorpionTamer If you find it please tell me!
I think this is a matter of a majority of the community wanting a very specific thing, and sticking to the theories that conform to that while disregarding everything else. And because you don't believe or agree with something, obviously it doesn't deserve any respect, right?
Take the "Kris is the knight", "Noelle is the angel" and "Gaster is the final boss" stuff, for example. While considered "safe", and having a genuine good amount of evidence behind them compared to "crack" theories, they're still not very far off from the Sans is Ness stuff in terms of how they are percieved. They are slight hints and minor details being overanalyzed and stretched to fit a narrative that "makes sense" in the scope of the game. But ultimately, everything currently is so uncertain, that fucking Undyne could be the Knight, Catty the angel and Jockington the final boss, and there would be no way of knowing because we only have 2 out of 7 chapters released. For all we know, Gaster could even be totally absent from the final game, and the voice in the start could be an entirely new, different character we don't know of and didn't met yet, and everything related to Gaster and goners could end up as a massive, giant trolling event from Toby.
In essence, even the "safe theories" are just as crack as the actual "crack" or "brainrot" theories, because we have so little to work with and none of us is Toby Fox to accurately predict what he has in mind, and it's actually pretty sad to see a vocal minority harass others for something not even them can be sure of, just because it's something they don't want or like.
I believe like a lot of "crack" theories, I also completely hate a bunch of the "safe" theories because they just don't seem like something toby would do
One thing I think people need to remember ehen taking abput the game and judging theories, on top of everything in this vidso, is that this game, at its core, is a homestuck shitposter's fever dream.
Without crackpot theories you cant have logical grounded ones, a ying and yang sort of deal
i dont usually comment on yt videos, but this is genuinely one of the most inspiring videos ive watched in a while. thank you
This is an interesting perspective, and one that for me is affected by what kind of fandom background one is from.
Firstly - I've figured out over the years that anger and hate just isn't worth it. Making demands makes people dig their heels in, and almost never convinces them. I'll just leave partway through and not comment or share if I don't like it. Nobody is putting a gun to my head or demanding that I watch something. In the age of the Algorithm, lack of engagement is entirely sufficient as "punishment" (if that word even applies here). If I really don't like it, I consider it my own responsibility to provide a more interesting alternative: I write a good deal of fanfiction. Oberon Smog and Dead Asriel fans can have fun away from me.
But, like... for me, my instinctive negative reaction to the "crack theory" is an _immune response._ The line between "theory (entertainment)" and "theory (prediction)" is drawn in different places in different fandoms, and I come from places where theory (entertainment) was routinely misinterpreted by large parts of an often immature audience as theory (prediction). What I'm afraid of is the Sherlock Truthers, the shipping wars. I've seen people send death threats to authors over not writing the "correct" ending. I can see a version of myself who would believe that disposing of such arrogance was a public service, of sorts. I am not that person, but I could have been, and that "could have been" is very dangerous.
On a more personal level, I come from certain highly interactive ongoing fandoms where the author was plugged-in enough that anything you said that got popular enough ran the risk of becoming true, regardless of your original intention. A poignant Homestuck fanart of a character in a wheelchair? Character's a wheelchair user now, and not even a well-researched one, just one that ended up the butt of physical comedy. Blaseball fans experiment with the voting system to pull a character back from the dead? Sure (but the character that got resurrected is killing others to pay her Debt). People demanding that Sans come back to Glitchtale? An opportunity for a second heartwrenching death scene. In these fandoms, anything could become canon, and so I was initially unfamiliar with the notion that there even _was_ such a thing as theory (entertainment). To me, for a long time, _everything_ looked like theory (prediction), regardless of how insane it originally sounded. Toby Fox is not this level of plugged in, but since he comes from Homestuck, which did have this tradition, one is given to wonder.
I think theres a large difference between how some people see deltarune theories. Some see it as genuinely trying to guess how the story will go and others see it more as entertainment/fanfiction and I think theorisers should make it clear which one of the two it is
i've disagreed and disliked theories before but i've never considered leaving a rude comment about it. i know Jaru had issues with people bashing on his theories and i was sitting there thinking, yeah i didnt like what he was saying so i guess this video is for me. i see now, that video and this one are for people who are more active in the community and try to shut down other people's ideas. im happy i never interact with "fandom" outside of theory videos and sharing my interests with friends because while i'm sure theres lots of good things about it, i only ever hear the bad things
i’m also not trying to say i’m better than other people for getting mad in a comment section, or for not interacting with my favorite media’s fans. i know how easy it is to give in to the frustration and say, no mr tuber this is how you’re wrong and you should feel bad for it
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As long as people aren't going overboard, what's wrong with criticizing the writing? People criticize bad fan fiction for the same reason -- characters acting out of character when it's supposed to be taken as though it takes place in the same universe. It's not wrong to point out these flaws, especially when the premise of the game is that these are supposed to be the same characters post-chapter 2.
My theory is that their is a decent chance that gaster has a lot less to do with delta run then people think. think about it, their have been no references to gaster really except in some points where his theme is in a song (like noel). it could easly be another charicter we have yet to see is doing a lot as well and we just dont know it. my instinct as a story guy is to think Ralsei (or something Ralsei adjacent) because their is a lot surrounding him that is veerry intresting and sus.
I have a few different thoughts on this video, and I'll give them all, but the one I want to start with is that I just find the premise as a whole kind of... Odd? Coming from you specifically. What I mean to say is, having watched your other videos I've considered you to be the most anti-theory theorist in the community. To some degrees I agree with, sure, your debunk on Skies Forever Blue's connection to Deltarune is still a favorite of mine, but some degrees are a bit much for me. Your video "Deltarune Theory Review 1.0" includes a couple minute long segment essentially asking people to stop theorizing on whether or not Kris is the Knight, saying it's ruining the story because Toby intends us to think Kris is the Knight in that moment in the story. I always found that a very odd and staunchly anti-theory stance for a theory channel to be making, especially since Toby put the game out knowing it would take a while for the next chapters to be made and that people would spend time thinking about it. Which made the comparisons in that video to pausing a movie to think about the mystery fall flat for me, and even then, I don't think that ruins a movie, either. I don't want to bloat this part of the comment with examples, but you can see how I find this to be an odd angle coming from you.
I don''t think there's really anything wrong with people valuing theories based on their believability? Trying to figure out what will happen next is, generally, what people want in the theory space. If they don't care for videos they find unbelievable because they don't think the events projected are likely at all, that's well within their right. I can't say I'm desperate to predict what will happen next in Deltarune, but I do prefer theories that provide reasonable evidence and connections for their premise compared to ones that don't. Woody theory is crack, sure, but I wouldn't put it in the same ballpark as the Jaru's Asriel is Dead theory, because there really isn't any evidence against the Woody theory despite how out there the premise is, while Asriel is Dead has some glaring gaps in logic and even requires misinformation about Undertale to work. On the other hand, I think Oberon Smog is actually a very solid idea, but similar to what you said the fact that Jaru came up with the theory specifically to serve as foreshadowing in the grander narrative of Deltarune he envisions for the Asriel is Dead plotline kind of sours me on it. Cool name, though.
I agree with your response to the statement "He's not a theorist he's a fanfic writer" being "So what?". but (And I'm not trying to single him out to pick on I swear he's just a good example for a lot of this) when Jaru's response to that question is to tweet out "Don't call me a fanfic writer I am a theorist" instead of embracing it, it's a bit... I don't know how to end this sentence so I'm just gonna segue into the next thing. Twitter is bad for everybody. A lot of this video just comes across as defensive of comments and types of people that in my time in the Undertale community I've grown very accustomed to ignoring. I think disengaging with vocal minorities and little haters is just kind of better for everybody. The vast majority of people I interact with in the Undertale community just kind of aren't the type of completely dismissive fan discussed in this video, and I think spending so much time interacting with that type of person has caused you to make a video defending things that like. There's no harm in defending obviously but it just doesn't seem really necessary? Because hey, people are allowed to be dismissive to a certain extent. I'd prefer if people weren't rude about it, obviously, but when people are rude about it I really think it best to just not engage like this. I notice that a good few of your videos are very focused on the fandom and its response to things, especially in that shipping video. Me personally I just kind of prefer to interact with and make theories about the work itself instead of battling with the fandom over what they think so much. Maybe I'm waffling a bit now, I don't know. I guess just, as a viewer, I like it more when you focus on Deltarune itself rather than fighting against what the fandom thinks or the long chunk of the Woody theory's runtime where you try to justify making a crack theory as if it's a bad thing to do instead of just talking about the theory. Which kind of brings me back to the anti-theory point.
Undertale Yellow's (pretty major) timeline issues compared to Undertale don't at all detract from my enjoyment of the game and the experience of it, I agree with you on that. But they do detract from its stated intent to be a prequel to Undertale. Just thought I'd point that out, I don't think people are really trying to say the game is bad because of it.
Sorry for how absurdly long this comment ended up, I do tend to be a bit overly wordy. I do hope to hear a response from you, but I understand if TH-cam comments aren't the best place to hold a discussion, because well, they kind of aren't. I did appreciate your reply to my last comment, though! In conclusion, shoutouts to RV Pine and show us your fancomics Spookydood.
i am all for fan theories but i dont like when people act like their theories are almost 100 percent canon
Thanks for this, feels nice hearing someone talk about this and having all the same opinions as me.
The world needs more absolutely unhinged and insane theories and leaps in logic. Makes things fun :)
This video was absolutely needed though, the most fun theories are the ones that go completely crazy. Even though some (or maybe all) of them won't be true, it's still fun experience to read them/listen to them. I've seeing a lot of negativity lately in this community and it doesn't help anyone
This worded my thoughts perfectly thank you 😭😭😭
This was an amazing video, you can tell he put a lot of heart into it. Nice work man!
JaruJaruJ is honestly the best Deltarune Crack Theorist. His videos are so cozy and entertaining.
Another peak spookydood video. Also gotta say Deltarune with a crt tv filter goes hard
You've changed my mind on so much
Thanks man
Imagine we spend all this time theorizing about Dess and her connections to greater concepts, then on some chapter, we get randomly stopped by an unidentified text box, then Dess comes into frame and is like:
"Hey Kris! I come home after all these years on this stressful trip away from my family, and Noelle can't stop talking about these crazy dreams and this girl named Suzan for even a second. I know this is you and your... Weird friends doing... Whatever you weird peope do! And I'll tell you right now: keep her out of it, you weirdo!"
Then unceremoniously walks away and we never see her again.
I didn't even know how needed this video was. I love crack theories, I love theories that make you think and consider the alternative. Yeah, you can judge a theory by how likely it is and you can judge a theory by how fun and well-constructed it is. Both can coexist.
oh god, yeah. Sans is Ness is a fantastic theory. Does it need to be true for it to be great? No! What matters is that a lot of care has been put into it.
Its always been to strange to me how a game series thats messages are about positivity and acceptance has managed to breed a very loud group of negative, hateful people that have to always be right. Its sad, really. I wish they could be happy and enjoy the series like everyone else does.
People REALLY forget this is just chapter 2, and we still don't even know if there will be 5 or 7 chapters.
For all we know the knight is revealed at the start of the next chapter and the game even makes fun of us for theorizing so much.
I like how there is so many deltarune theorist videos because it makes me feel like I’m part of the community