Allen Hood, Wes Martin, and Dwayne Roberts on the Mike Bickle Allegations
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2024
- In light of the current scandal surrounding Mike Bickle and the International House of Prayer, a number of former leaders have sat down to discuss why they have had to get involved in the present situation.
40 yrs of allegations. Where were the discerning brothers, elders, leaders, pastors during all of this time? After 40 yrs it is brought to light. If these allegations are true then surely Many, many of those in the midst were willfully blinded and also responsible. Repentance and apology to the Body of Christ is due from many, not Bickle alone. God is sifting the foundation of this ministry to its core. Let it be.
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Yes. God grant that.
yep, not one pastor with all their prophetic knowledge and understanding, their touted powers of discernment saw any red flags for 3 to 4 decades?
Amen!
Can't understand why it went on for so long!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I spent my entire 20s at IHOPKC; was full time on staff, and led in internships & this has been hard to navigate, deeply painful, and sobering. Hearing from you all has been such a healing balm to me. Thank you for being the men you've always showed us you were and standing with the survivors. Praying for you all as you navigate, grieve, and process this alongside us.
Satan plans to let God's church fight by itself. Satan's Tactics: "How to Destroy a Growing Church. " Rebecca Brown through her book "He has set the captives free. " exposed them all. How they sent their members to join God's churches and destroy of course is their plan. As a believer of Jesus Christ, It's so sad to see God's people fight God's people. Satanic churches must be supper happy now.
Glad u guys understand how this has dampened our faith. What else was this guy lying about? I definitely followed a man my bad.
I hear you. I’m praying for your complete restoration, and wisdom on how to respond in this.
I too thank these men for wanting to do the right thing in this situation. You will have the Father's guidance in this, through this.
Mike Bickle "Was" their Spiritual Father....I heard some say in this interview that Mike Bickle "Is" their Spiritual Father
I can’t imagine how hard it was to process this on camera. I love you guys. Righteous men are a refuge in this storm. ❤❤❤
Thanks for offering your support to this, Shelley. I remember your roles at Onethings all those years ago and am thankful for how you led/facilitated on stage then. The more that former leaders like you that choose to use your voice to stand for truth and support others that are doing the same, the better. God’s peace to you in this storm, Shelley. ❤
Agreed, had it not been for leaders willing to sound the alarm and stand with victims I would have lost heart.
Thank you Shelly for standing for Truth and Integrity 🙏
@shelleyhundley1416 weren’t you and sarah sun kim allegedly told by ELT to back off of a unhealthy relationship with 3 women from ihopu because you both were allegedly exhibiting cult like controlling behaviors with them?
This series is so important, it brings a lot of clarity. Grateful for these men willing to do this (at their own pain/expense). The only benefit of their action is to those they’re acting for… it shows their willingness to follow Jesus. I think this is happening (in various degrees) in many church groups/movements
I appreciate this. And need you to know, there should be women's voices in this discussion. My entire life I've been a Christian. I love Jesus. The number of sermons I've listened to about women submitting is uncountable. I've heard ONE about men laying down their lives for their wives. The Body of Christ CANNOT train all of our women to be submissive, and not defend and protect them. Either arm girls with scripture to defend themselves and listen when they speak out, or defend them when men abuse them. Empower and respect us, or choose to defend us from predators. Women belong in this room.
There were predators there from the beginning and they called them prophets. No women abuse counselor would ever have put any of these men in authority! Tod Bentley,Bickel prophesied over, had a criminal record for raping a child and spent his teen years in a prison,Bob Jones an alcoholic sexual predator were both “restored”. Thank God it’s over and exposed! Women are inconsequential to prophets and money. Tod Bentley raised 21 million dollars online so he became their darling!
The first video on this channel were women speaking.
It would be good to have women and men together in the discussion
I do not know Allen Hood, until watching this video. His heart is so tender and the love that spews from his heart is so genuine and Godly. The heart of the Father is so evident in this man. Wow, he is a remarkable brother in Christ! The Love of God in him is disarming!
The comment that Dwayne made about the number of people that have left IHOPKC completely wounded and bitter is spot on. I really appreciate him saying that because I have spent years burdened for the many people I have seen walk away from the faith after leaving IHOPKC. This series of videos is extremely needed and helpful.
Yes!
I am a member there. I have heard this for years and seen just a bit. Which is why extensive study in theology is so paramount. I noticed you didn't illuminate the good and changed lives and people who have converted to the faith because of IHOPKC. Hmmm, that's says some things. But never the less, we MUST keep ourselves in check also. I've yet to find a flawless church. But I'm not trying to wiggle out of our own responsibility to represent the faith at all times properly. This is something that needs more attention.
@percyjohnsoniv1794 I would guess that there are at least a dozen ihopu grads from my class (yes four year graduates) who no longer consider themselves Christian. Yes lots of people have been positively impacted, but an alarming amount are now fallen away. Is that alarming to you that IHOP is not grounding these young people??
Satan plans to let God's church fight by itself. Satan's Tactics: "How to Destroy a Growing Church. " Rebecca Brown through her book "He has set the captives free. " exposed them all. How they sent their members to join God's churches and destroy of course is their plan. As a believer of Jesus Christ, It's so sad to see God's people fight God's people. Satanic churches must be supper happy now.
Btw I painted one of Dwayne's houses just off of red bridge
As 28 year old former IHOPKC leader, I like many others are asking questions around what does this mean for us? How does my generation not repeat the same mistakes that our fathers and mothers have. We need a new way of process that does not include cover ups. Thank you for speaking out, we are all watching.
1st - stay away from charismatic churches and anyone who claims revelation from God beyond Scripture. We cannot add to God's Word with men's imaginations.
2nd - form Biblical churches that are under a plurality of ordained elders.
3rd - do not set leaders on pedestals. Men are never our spiritual fathers. Only God is.
4th - always note the red flags in our leaders' behavior. Most of the times in these situations the people say they missed the warning signs.
Hi Amanda! The questions you're asking will very literally take a move of God to answer, but one of the fundamentals we need to call leaders to is shepherd leadership. Years ago I read Ezekiel 34:1-10, and God convicted me of how much I had made leadership about building my ministry and myself rather than sacrificing myself for the sheep that ultimately belong to Him. He continually confronts me with that still. His call to leaders isn't necessarily to build big ministries, gain notariety, or even have a vocational ministry at all. He does, however, ALWAYS call them to feed and care for His sheep. I've been under three major episodes of ministry leadership failure, and in all of them the sheep were sacrificed to the benefit of the ministry leader. It's dangerous, harmful, and disorienting for those who experience it, but the positive impact a shepherd leader has can equally affect someone's life and relationship with Jesus for the good. I prayed for you and your husband not long after I heard about the IHOPKC situation, knowing it could have a big effect on you guys. Jesus loves you guys so much, and His cross, resurrection, and eternal inheritance for you will not be shaken by these events. Feel free to hit me up if you want to talk more, too.
I will say this: It is impossible to forever prevent evil. Sometimes, the system isn't the failure, only the people that make it.
Some would suggest we throw the baby with the bathwater (as someone has already suggested), but there will always be false prophets, there will always be deception, and there will always be backslidings.
To compromise any pattern God has left for us is to inhibit God, but still, I would add some practical advice:
1. Prophecy should largely be public to the church as a whole (the scripture says, let two or three prophesy and let the others judge)
2. Men should not be one on one with women or vice versa
3. There should be mature leadership alongside any pastor that is mature enough in the Lord to be able to snuff out things like this. Ministry is not a solo effort. It is a body effort, and therefore, others should be involved at a minimum.
I would say, the failure in the previous generation is a call to the next to seek God and be serious to rid ourselves of our sinful weaknesses by the grace of God and search our hearts so he can refine us and build our character.
Mike Bickle "Was" their Spiritual Father....I heard some say in this interview that Mike Bickle "Is" their Spiritual Father
@jc9240 Maybe he "is" because he already played that role in their life. I don't see why we need to be so rigid with words. They clearly all have renouced his character and believe him to be hellbound
I cannot begin to tell you what this means to those of us that feel so hurt and left on the outside of something that feels so deeply personal. It is comforting to hear from familiar spiritual fathers. The clarity and candor is deeply meaningful. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am sorry you are in this position but thank you for stepping up to the plate in all the ways you have.
I was a teenager at the Summer Teen Camp at IHOPKC in 2004, and that was my first introduction to you four. I subsequently became a staff member at IHOP Atlanta a few years later in 2007/2008 and was deeply involved until about 2011. Over several years' time, I left Christianity & religion altogether, largely due to issues I noticed as a young adult during my time on staff, and how I was treated when I brought issues to light. The leadership was one of many reasons that the zealous faith I once had was utterly and entirely shattered.
Although I will never be a person of faith again, watching this and the way that you guys have handled this situation has been profoundly inspiring. Your integrity and the way you have publicly taken heat again and again for something that should've never gone this way in the first place, inspires much respect and admiration. It's heartbreaking that simply doing the right thing is cause for such deep division and pain, but I'm heartened to see that there are still people of character in the midst of such horrible circumstances. Thank you, from someone who has long considered all of Christianity to be a lost cause.
I get it where leadership can cause a person of firey faith to lose that fire. I’ve been there and it’s taken years to get through all of that because I came to the truth that none of what happened was Jesus, but the demons they attached themselves to for control, manipulation, etc.
I was at IHOP Atl at that time frame. Please reach out if you need anyone to talk to. ❤
You are a victim of spiritual abuse. It is mind-bending. I know first hand. But it doesn't have a thing to do with Jesus.
@@user-fe4pm7tm4nI love this response from you. God’s peace go with you.
It's rampant, especially in organized religion. Jesus Christ faced those same things while on earth and was crucified by them for their jealousy. Jesus never preached religion, He preached the Kingdom of God, which is an entirely different paradigm. In the Bible it says the government is on His shoulders, not religion. We are called a holy nation, a royal priesthood, citizens of the kingdom. It's a different system. I hope you find your way back to the Jewish King, Yeshuah Hamachiach. It's another system, another King, not a religious figure.
I have experienced the look on Allen's face at 17:54. I was a minister serving under another minister in an American Baptist (ABCUSA church), and I trusted, even idolized, the senior minister. And then I started getting the sense that he was overly controlling, had too much power. When I tried to address this with him, I experienced the "mask off" situation - it was like he became a fundamentally different person, someone different than who our congregations knew, and certainly than who I thought I worked for. In that moment, I felt so confused and baffled: how couldn't I have seen this? why didn't I see the earlier signs? but I was so deceived by his charisma (and this wasn't even in a "prophetic" context, just a more normie evangelical one!) that the signs only made sense once I saw the man behind the mask. It was so deeply unsettling and it did a great deal of damage to my heart and my soul. I know that feeling - and seeing Allen experience it earnestly regarding Bickle breaks my heart.
Agree with you 100% just look at his face
Yes.. so sad
Allen Hood’s tears, pleas, and concern for Mike’s soul is beyond words 😭 🔥
I’ve never been a fan of IHOP. That said, I’ve become invested with this current situation because I’m a victim of spiritual and sexual abuse by a church leader…a pastor’s wife who was in my mind a spiritual mother. I can relate to your feelings here, especially with Allen Hood. It’s the absolute worst feeling in the world to wake up and realize the person who discipled you was in actuality, a wolf and predator. It’s like a continual, never ending, gut punch. What helped me was a strong support system (praise GOD for your advocacy!!), and learning about grooming. I’ve spent s lot of time researching cult leaders. It helped me to see what tactics she used with me because then I could stop being vulnerable to future abuses. And most of all, share my testimony to help others see red flags in leaders. So continue on this journey in the humility and fear of the Holy God we serve! I am praying for you all!! I’m willing to share my life experience if it would benefit anyone involved. See Cara’s Inner Healing Horror.
@@mvg5165 I read the Bible daily, thank you. The God I read about is close to the brokenhearted and definitely doesn’t like wolves in sheep’s clothing. Not sure why you’re trying to drive home a point that victims don’t exist. It’s just weird and ignorant.
@@mvg5165 it’s really sad and pathetic that you have no clue what abuse is. I’ve repented for MY sins. I’ve received healing for the ones done against me. My abuser is responsible for hers…it was not a joint effort, despite your twisted thinking. I pray no victims see how you’re shaming them. Humble yourself and see that you’re just as bad as abusers, minimizing your behavior. I’m very glad you don’t know what it’s like to be a victim, but your lack of compassion shows you don’t really understand the Bible you say you read.
Always thought IHOP was weird. Never even knew who Bicke is. Meeting with The Archangel Micheal, what bullcrap
Thank you all for telling the truth. It is so vital for the BoC. The statement about this being Mike Bickle's "Nathan comes to David to confront his sin moment", is exactly right on and powerful. I pray the whole truth is brought to light.
True men of God that taught me so much while I was at IHOP and are continuing to do so now. IHOP leadership may be failing but I see yours shining the love of God and the heart of Jesus to never leave the women hurting. I am broken for the true Jane Does of this but I am praying that all the victims feel the love of Christ through your relentless pursuit of justice on their behalf’s.
❤ true
So thankful this is all being brought to the light. I was apart of IHOP back in 2009 and had some really weird and unexplainable experiences. I’m really thankful the Lord freed me.
This is so good and so needed. Thank you for taking the time to share with such gut-wrenching honesty and integrity. Allen speaks the word of the Lord for the Church in this hour!
Amen. And you too, thank you 🙏
Allen Hood has so much wisdom. Hearing him correct this nonsense about "Matthew 18" is so good.
Then why post online.... That's a complete manipulation of bringing it to the church.....
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He’s helping Jesus Christ by exposing the works of evil. You clearly want to hide them - shame on you. He has an obligation to bring forth the truth. That obligation is clearly spoken about in Proverbs. Please read them. Stop shooting. Instead pray.
@@cooperkurdziolek5737 Mike had a public ministry. He was confronted and refused correction. This is not about Matt. 18 anyway.
Paul did not apply Matthew 18 when he confronted and corrected Peter in front of the whole church. Nor did he advise Timothy to do so. Those in leadership who are sinning are to be rebuked in the presence of all. Had Paul merely taken Peter aside and corrected him, all those who had been influenced to follow Peter's bad example would not have learned the lesson. It's appropriate to confront Bickle privately first and give him the chance to repent and to then confess publicly. But when Bickle refused to allow a second person in the room, he was demonstrating his unwillingness to repent and to care more about the things of God than about his own reputation. Game over. He should never be allowed behind a microphone again except to confess without reservation, without manipulation, without blame shifting and without attempt to look good in any way, shape or form. After that, he should retreat into obscurity. He can be restored to fellowship, but never to ministry.
@@cooperkurdziolek5737It makes no sense to expose the public to a lie and then only share the corrective truth in private. That’s twisted.
Thank you for speaking the truth. Praise the Lord the truth is finally getting out. Blessings from Canada.❤🇨🇦
Hey, Brother John! Appreciate you too!
This is the church responding and rising up correctly and courageously. This is JOY , to see the church rise and grow in honesty
Wow, this is completely different than what we are getting on other social media platforms. Thank you for this and God bless you for your raw honesty.
As someone who has had terrible situations not believed, thank you from the bottom of my heart for being willing to look at the truth of what happened. I can't tell you how proud I am that you have stood with the victims in such a brave way.
I’m so thankful for strong and courageous men who will speak up for the victims and the weaker vessels .
Praise God ! It is a very hard thing to do but SO necessary! Thank you so much . ❤
Thanks so much to all of you, for your love, humility, and candid sobriety in response to this crisis. Much love and prayer support to you.
Ugh my heart aches. This is so heartbreaking. I’m so thankful that Allen has shared. It makes me feel hopeful that there are actually people who live out what they believe and can be trusted as a leader in the church. I’m so sad and angry for everyone.
Praying for you all,praying for Mike and his famliy may God open his eyes and bring true repentance, remove the spirit of heaviness ,bring peace,comfort and deep healing to all.
You can’t disguise genuine, authentic TRUTH. THIS. Is everything. Thank you to you all. Allen…your heart….my goodness. So blessed by you.
Help the people understand how a church can be so prophetic but NOT discern this for YEARS! Was it all for 💰, celebrity status, branding? The church is not a church it's a business corporation with great tax benefits. 😢😡 That in of itself is sick. God's favor is on the people.
Great point! How was it not discerned?
I wish everyone on church leadership could watch it with subtitles for those who don't speak the language, cause this was an alert for the whole body of Christ, we must change tue way we deal with stuff like that, thanks alle, dwayne and was for your hearts and for putting in jeopardy your fame and name for this, that God may bring repentance to the church.
Thank you for sharing all of this.
Thank you guys. I finally have a sense of closure. I have meet most of you and have looked up to you for years. My heart is broken but I do feel a sense of closure. May the Lord use this as a standard of how to deal with exposed sin in senior leadership. It’s hard to believe but shows us all how dependent we must be on the Holy Spirit. Ministry can be robotic and separate from internal evil nature. May God have mercy.
Good on you brothers for speaking out. Looks like the guy Mike has got away with murder for long enough. Probably about time all of us Christians stopped calling people spiritual Fathers and looking up to them like they were infallible and could never be questioned. Let's stop putting leaders on pedestals. We have one father in heaven and we have one savior Jesus Christ and that's it.
Amen! I waa involved with an international prayer ministry in Israel and ignored several red flags of deceptive, cult-like oractices because I put the leadership on a pedestal. Thank God He severely corrected me and I repented and was cleansed from this toxic behavior of blind trust of a leader who is human and fallible.
It takes two to be exploited!
I just said that to myself a few minutes ago!!! Yes! The "spiritual fathers and spiritual mothers" dangerous and a cult in operation
It's more than just one man's moral failure, it's revealing the flawed ecclesiastical power structures of the New Apostolic Reformation.
This!
Thank you, YES!
C Peter Wagner was false.
Why is it obvious to so many, but not them. That movement has had bad fruit for a looong time.
I don’t understand why this group of DEFENDERS of the gospel are apologizing in any sense for blowing the whistle on these tragedies. Praise God that you did speak, don’t answer for yourselves, you did the right thing
For anyone who thinks this is "a desperate ploy to gain control of the narrative," I am just shocked.
These men (and the other four members of the AG) are obviously heartbroken over what Mike has done. They are transparent, vulnerable, and sharing from their hearts.
On the other hand, we don't even know who the members of the ELT are.
Who is really being honest here? (That's a rhetorical question.)
Amen! ❤
It's not really one vs an evil other....
There are so many hints that they trusted these Jane Doe accusations even before hearing and meeting Mike is what reveals that they are looking for him to be removed. Conspiracy maybe not, but the money... the power, the control.. if you are no longer with IHOP KC then what are you doing? It seems you already believe someone else's "truth" without hearing both sides.
Judge and jury, trial by social media. Appalling. Talk about taking sides before the evidence is listened to from all parties. So sad.
I want you to understand that this episode, and the repeated failures of christian leaders to act when 'prophets' like bickle are allowed free reign to abuse for decades, are why children refuse christianity. You are all like this. Your tithe money went to support Bickle's abuse of children. Your money. Your faith was used to support this. He still hasn't faced any criminal prosecution for the criminal sexual abuse of two minors.
That's your witness. You ignored and enabled this behavior for decades. You are reaping what you have sown.
IHOPKC buried themselves - not the Jane Does, not these precious brothers - IHOP is doing this to themselves. Mike Bickle did it to himself.
I am a prophet. IHOP will join PTL, Todd Bentley and Robert Tillton 'ministries'.
Amen Kristi. I found this line to ring true: Comme on fait son lit, on se couche. (French for "you’ve made your bed, now lie on it")
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@@wordsoflife42 I enjoy your channel, by the way. Thank you for adding your voice to this heartbreaking situation. God continue to bless you and your family. 👊🏼
I was really struggling to make sense of this whole thing. But things are so much more clear now. Thank you for making these videos.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. It has been so helpful and encouraging to my heart to see and hear true men of God, true leaders and shepherds talk about and show true humility and the fear of the Lord. You have all been through so much and I appreciate and commend your courage and character throughout this to stand up for what is what and true, to hold accountable and not be manipulated….thank you and may God bless you!
This was real leadership. I am praying for you, men of God.
My daughter's friend left IHOPKC wounded and disillusioned. I didn't know what had happened. She recently spoke about abuse and mistreatment and I was shocked. She is very worldly and liberal now. She's hard to talk to so I don't know for sure where she's at in her faith. I'm going to reach out to her. 😢
Thank you all so so much for so bravely standing for truth and justice in midst of this travesty.
Pastor Wes! ❤ Thank you all for your STRONG stand for Jesus and your equally STRONG silence and refusal to be baited. May God bless you and continue to shine His face upon you!
What’s hard for me to fathom is how intelligent and kind former IHOP KC leaders are…..yet they didn’t have the discernment to recognize Mike Bickle was a false teacher decades ago….so many outside of the movement have called out Mike Bickle for years. 😢 May they get back to scriptures as their true authority.
Exactly! Why don’t others see exactly that, what you said?
Thank you. Watching this has offered some semblance of clarity, honesty, and truth to a situation that has felt like everything but. My late teens and early to mid twenties were fully invested in the HOP vision. Hearing your contrite hearts and desire for truth and repentance has brought some hope to my soul for the church.
Thank you for going public, this takes bravery, Im proud of you guys - JOSH LEWIS
One thing I get out of all this is how quickly and dangerous it is to elevate a leader, pastor, preacher, teacher into an almost “godlike” status. Even to refer to someone as a “spiritual father”, doesn’t Jesus talk to us about calling anyone father? I’m glad these gentlemen tried to follow scripture and confront Mike biblically and with love . We can however, be thankful that our God is the God of restoration. I pray Mike and his son come to a place of genuine repentance and that all the broken lives will be restored.
I watched the interview where Dwayne said he was making enemies. I turned my own father over to authorities upon learning he abused many children, including one of my own children. I had a choice, and I chose to be an enemy of evil men and a friend to God. That man is unrepentant to this very day. I was drug through the mud, thrown under the bus, and the God who speaks picked me up. I pray people make the right choices in this Apostate age of our church.
This whole thing hurts. Living Here and being apart of the prayer room and seeing all the division that has happened and that is happening it really sucks, it’s sad. This community is amazing and this is putting a dark cloud over us…. God help us, the ones that are still here trying to live here and thrive…
I feel this. I can't imagine how you all are doing and I'm praying for grace for you
One of the hardest calling God ever gave me was to keep going when I had legitimate reasons to quit. A very hard season but I don't regret obeying with the Lord called me to do.
It isn't putting a dark cloud over you, it's exposing the dark cloud that was in the shadows the whole time.
God bless you guys, and continue to give you strength and comfort your hearts. I went through the same situation in my local church a number of years ago and so there was no doubt in my mind when I heard the statement you made, despite having listened to Mike's preach a few days previous. It can be hard for people to see, but your voices are so, so needed in this season. Thank you for your courage and integrity.
Appreciate you guys, so sad we have to even have these conversations but thank you for your courage.
In tears hearing you all talk with such tenderness and humility. I’m in the camp of those who’ve left ihop with pain and hurt. Hearing you all speak to that with such tenderness and compassion was so healing for me. Without Jane Doe’s and her friend’s bravery to call all of this out, I would still be burdened with many things from my time at IHOPKC, but bringing this forward brought the clarity and understanding I needed to heal, just as Dwayne said. Thank you thank you thank you. We are standing with you and you are not alone.
You guys are on the right side of things. My friend and I personally saw M stroked different women's hair in the prayer room. We brought the matter to IHOPKC because we have no direct contact with M, but was not taken seriously. Thank you for standing up for what is right. You will be blameless in front of the great judgement seat.
Thanks for sharing. It is helpful. I hope more people share their experiences. ❤️🩹
Thanks for at least trying to address it with leadership.
Wow. That’s horrible
Did you have a cell phone with a camera? (No judgment if you didn't think of that at the time.) I hate to suggest such action, but it's the day and age we're living in and the alternative is for leadership abuse to be gotten away with.
@@DavidPesta nobody would expect something like that when it happens. That's why most of allegations are based on testimonies rather than physical evidence.
Thank you so much. This is so helpful and necessary. 😭
Thank you so much for your effort! I'm a German in France, very grateful for parts of Mike Bickle's teaching trying to process that God would talk and teach through this man during all these years of abuse. I decided to stick with what God gave through him and be grateful but to sober up regarding the leaders and standing first of all before Jesus and looking to Him.
TRUTH KNOWN IN HEAVEN AND HELL WILL RESOUND WITH CLARITY UPON THE EARTH BECAUSE OF YOU SHARING. THANK YOU SO MUCH
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your humility and transparency. This brings so much comfort and healing after months of internal dissonance.
Salt and light ❤️...this ⬆️ is the church...so glad you published this video, it brings so much clarity. Thank you for your courage and steadfastness. Praying for you all from WA state ❤❤️ God is doing a new thing ❤❤ and it's bringing us closer to the pure and spotless bride that He's coming back for.
I have a pastor friend in St. Louis who knew Mike Bickle when he first appeared on the scene in St Louis before he became the big thing he has been to so many people since the KCF days of the prophetic boom of the 80s. He saw through him then when everyone was bowing the knee to Baal so to speak. Here’s what I’ve seen in every interview with people in the Advocate Group. The common thread is everyone says they just never believed Bickle would do this. I applaud everyone for coming forward. My deep concern for these Christians and so many more of sound mind is the lack of discernment that Bickle operates under. It is a spirit of witchcraft/divination (1 Samuel 15:23). This is what Christian celebrity is all about. While we must respect those God has placed in authority, we must keep both eyes wide open. This requires a deeper acquaintance and understanding of Scripture. If we see behavior and teaching from leaders that contradicts the plain reading of the Bible we need to confront this and if we can’t get through to that person we need to warn others and get away from this leader. Bickle and others like him are false prophets and teachers. And guess what, he was from the beginning. Most deception contains elements of biblical truth. But if we look closely it’s riddled with falsehood. I hope the exposure of Bickle will wake people up from following deception and the people that peddle it. God help us!
What you stated, THAT is true Holy Spirit discernment!
Red flag #1: Placing a person on such a pedestal that they are being referred to as a "spiritual father". Our only spiritual father is the Triune God. How many times have we put people into a status category they have no business being? This opens the door to those who fleece the flock physically, spiritually, financially, and sexually, all the while being insulated from accountability.
What about Paul being a spiritual father (eg I Cor 4:15)?
Yes we shouldn’t elevate people to a point where they have no accountability and have no one whom they can be humbled by. But calling someone father is t the red flag. It’s the behavior.
@@ChurchWorshipandvideo First off, unlike Mike Bickle, Paul was a true apostle. Unlike Mike Bickle, Paul literally saw and spoke to Jesus. Unlike Mike Bickle, Paul was prophetic, spoke and wrote with the authority of the Holy Spirit, and spread the true gospel.... unlike Mike Bickle. The Corinthians did not say this of Paul (as the AG says this of MB), but Paul says this of himself. To me this is key because Paul's intention was not to convey a position of authority, but more of one who loves and admonishes those he has brought "to life" (as it were) through the gospel. In the case of MB, the lack of accountability and discernment of the AG and ELT up until now is a result of idolatry on their part, and pride and selfishness on the part of MB. It's not a nurturing, loving, mutual relationship. It's one hierarchy, exploitation, and abuse of power.
I may have mentors and those who have play important roles in my spiritual life, but my spiritual father is my Heavenly Father.
MB did not bring them "to life" (as it were) through the gospel. He is a false teacher who has brought them to a false gospel.
Matthew 7: 15-20
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."
but these guys are all a part of the same movement
These videos are a turning point for the truth. God bless these men and women!
Yes, turning point. Amen.
Thank you for this most painful but truthful explanation of one of the most trying times in IHOP history. I pray that the healing and accountability continue.
You can see the utter grief on their faces. Mike has made it worse for everyone and continues to add pain to the church: world wide. I can't imagine knowing what they knew then watching him preach on October 20th manipulating his future attack with a gaslighting sermon. I can't imagine how they feel.
Imagine the grief when they realize that they helped propogate false teachings for decades!!!
I was apart of IHOP-KC for 3 months in 2008, and though I've since deconstructed and left the faith because I was disillusioned by "men of God" who couldn't take responsibility for their actions. Allen spoke with our internship a number of times, so did Mike but I remember how humble and sincere Allen always was, and I am thankful for men of God that actually seek accountability instead of sweep it under the rug for the investigative reporters to dig up. This is the only way that the church will ever regain our generation's trust. A lot more of this.
Total outsider here, except that I'm a Christian. After listening to the Elizabeth Herder and Jennifer Roberts video of this channel, and then this video, I find it hard to understand that these men close to Mike Bickle would not have noticed the odd behavior of Mike Bickle toward young women, over the years when they interacted so closely with him.
The cult of personality is like a drug. Like being in love, that person can do no wrong and questions you should be asking get swept away in false reasons not to bother investigating to begin with. This is why the church needs to stop propping people up like this. No one should be above biblical standards.
Yep!
If you listen to these men, particularly the 3rd video with Chisholm and Briggs, they did talk about noticing odd behavior over the years, but they dismissed it much like the ladies in this video.
@@DavidPesta Oh, that makes more sense.
@@DavidPesta except you "can't" just dismiss it. that is horrible.
Thank yall so much for your voices, transparency, and leadership. Thank you for speaking up.
I'm sat here just bawling my eyes out as I listen.
Oh men of God...our fair child "prophetic" has been kidnapped, taken away and groomed until it could be pimped out for money in service of evil. Our child needs set free, and as you are speaking, those bonds are being struck off.
The next step is to return that child to Father's House where healing and restoration to the *real NT intention* of prophetic ministry can be restored...wholesome, hale, and effective for the edification, encouragement, and exhortation of the Saints of God in Jesus' church.
Thank you, men.
Sorry, this sounds sweet but it also sounds like you are referring to Mike Bickel who pimped out the prophetic? If so, the rest of your comment is absolutely unbiblical! If you don’t mean this then disregard. Nowhere in the New Testament are disgraced adulterous “Leaders” to be reinstated to Leadership!! If there is true repentance they can be restored as a Christian with the Lord but never back in Leadership! 1Tim 6 and Titus state there are STRICT QUALIFICATIONS to be a Leader! Qualifications has nothing to do with repentance otherwise qualifications wouldn’t be necessary as all they would need is to repent as any Christian does. But that’s not what it says. The Apostle Paul speaking from his Apostolic Leadership even warned he could be Disqualified!! Paul didn’t say all he needed to do was repent and then he’s an Apostle again!! No! Once disqualified for Leadership it’s permanent!
Me too 😭 ...and your word ministered to me also. Thank you 🙏
In hindsight, I can now see why I felt so uneasy at IHOPKC. With these behind the scene stories that I couldn't have known during the time, I now know the Lord lead me out of there for a reason.
Thank you- we stand as one contending for true godly repentance and restoring through this process - I love y'all and Mike Bickle
Wow. The fire in Allen’s belly, righteous indignation, and emotion from him in this. Seems like a great, godly leader.
True. God bless him
Where was all this 'righteous indignation' decades ago when this was first brought to light? Crocodile tears.
What a comfort to see mature men of God in the midst of this heartbreak being able to speak wisely. Not all hope is lost. God purify your bride, we need it 🙏🏼
100% real deal and gospel truth being asked and portrayed. Love the true love and truth! This is bravery and action as it should be. Proud that the narrative is changing and we are crying out for transparency.
Thank you for your courageous stand for the victims in this story and for upholding a biblical standard.
I’m glad that somebody has finally come forward with some conversation about this situation. It’s a sad day that there is as much division in this than in the political arena. Very sad
I'm so grateful for these brothers' willingness to share their hearts, especially Allen. If what they laid out is adopted and followed, then restoration can come; if not, then it's anyone's guess where this will end up. This was also helpful for knowing better how to pray from afar.
This is so insanely heartbreaking. My heart just goes out to Mr. Hood and these brothers and sisters in Christ.
I had to listen to Allen Hood's heartfelt reflection of the church again to take it all in. Brought me to tears for the church. I have had to ask myself if people of prayer cannot get this right what does that mean... Prayer movements or strong apologetics (Ravi Zacharias) or evangelical impacts (Bill Hybels) without healthy accountability and biblical church and leadership discipline have brought us to this point. We do need revival and if it does not look like one that brings us to knees and faces hitting the floor in confession of sin and true repentance in a fear of the LORD then we must question it. So thankful for these men and women. May they be an example for other churches that will find themselves in this situation. Thank you all for these important conversations!
Crocodile tears. Where was all this 'righteous indignation' decades ago when it first came to light. FAke.
It’s encouraging to hear some semblance of humility in this video. I pray that those involved will pull back more layers and think long and hard about why this movement was built on a foundation of Bob Jones, Paul Cain, and Mike Bickle. Decades of convoluted, out-of-context teaching and spiritual elitism, thousands upon thousands of false prophecies, hundreds of disaffected interns wasting their 20s in fruitless chasing after experiences and financial ruin, rotten fruit from start to finish. Clouds without water, wandering stars, and chasing after the wind. It’s not too late, however, for repentance for those who truly seek to follow Jesus.
Yes, yes, yes. You nailed it. I see miniscule semblances of humility and brokenness in this video, but true humility will repent from having received these false teachings, a false Jesus, false spirits, and a false gospel.
Yes!!! The foundation is rotten! Sadly, upright people, like these men were drawn in as well. That is something that needs to be seen and acknowledged. How can Mike truly be a spiritual father when he faked it???
The question I continue to have for IHOPKC people is this: What do you now do with the Prophectic History and unique teachings of Bickle and other fallen prophets? Why do we never see charismatic leaders reject that which came from the ones who are exposed as predators? As someone who was a member of a church that was heavily influenced by IHOP via Bob Sorge and his oversight, I am concerned for the lack of Gospel teaching with calls for repentance and salvation, but instead a hyper focus on prophetic utterances, strange and elitist eschatology and extreme emotionalism. The elitist unbiblical authority structure of apostles and prophets is the foundation of what Bickle and others have done. Please address these issues and get back to Sola Scriptura if you really want to minister to the Body of Christ. Untold numbers, including myself, have been abused by prophetic words and leaders being above accountability. It doesn't have to be sexual abuse for it to be incredibly destructive.
Just YES!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yes!!! Yes!!
Wow thank you guys for modeling what courage looks like in the face of the storm in your own pain & be willing to partner with Jesus…who is TRUTH to flip over the tables of wickedness….I believe mass repentance is on the horizon & boy do we ever need leaders with integrity and a backbone like yourselves in this hour!
Why did leadership give MB a chance to preach? I guess this is a lesson for the books. Do the right thing. Get the authorities involved.
Getting the authorities involved would require that the real Jane Does would have to make official criminal charges against Mike. That would destroy their anonymity which they are hiding behind, a sin against God by it itself.
As one of the many that left wounded thank you for being aware that there are many of us.
I'm having trouble understanding how so many men of God missed this for SO many years. How do I know my "spiritual father" is not easily deceived? It's almost as if he worshipped Bickle and blinded him to see or have discernment about this man. When he visited our church many times I was never comfortable with his teaching or in his presence. I won't leave my savior over the failure of men but we want to trust our shepherd's leadership and ability to discern. This is how cults operate; following the leader blindly. I am careful not to put my pastors on any pedestal but I do respect them. This sounds familiar to Ravi Zacharias story whose teaching I did value... That shocked me
Praying for all concerned
Thank you, Jono, Allen, Wes and Dwayne for taking the time to allow us to see your faces and hear your voices. It’s so helpful for someone like who was there at IHOP and then part of a small HOP for a total of a decade’s time. I know this has been a horrendous time and fully believe none of you wanted to have to write letters, make statements or do this video. I appreciate your acknowledgment of your own needs to repent as the light continues to shine and expose. I grateful there is still hope for restoration with your brothers. I needed to hear that too.
Why hasn't their been charges filed? Take this before a jury. This needs to end. The church is sick and needs healed. Nothing all involved in is working. We need truth.
This breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. It is so helpful
THANK YOU these brave men ! Men are supposed to protect women and children ! Thank you for being REAL men
When I heard Allen say he believed the allegations against Mike that was the tipping point for me. I love IHOP but wish I had not given credibility to Mike Bickle in the past.
It’s a little sad that it took another man to say that for you to believe the victims. When will brothers listen to their sisters in Christ??
Thank you so much for this. Your humility, transparency, truthfulness, and holding up honor is apparent throughout this video. And I understand how hard this must have been. To call out a friend, mentor, spiritual father is no small thing. But thank you for your efforts to bring healing to the body of Christ.
Thank you for doing this. This is what we need. I know it was probably hard for many different reasons. But I am 37 and want the church to thrive in the days to come, and we need to grow in wisdom and grow as leaders so we can better handle things like this in the future.
You said “this is why we need revival right now “.
This is where revival begins. ❤
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With all due respect and sensitivity to the matter, I have serious questions:
1. What prompted your sister to want to call you now regarding what she experienced?
2. Why did they allow Mike Bickle's sister preach so quickly? That came across as spiritual abuse
3. Why did Jane Doe and husband think to reach out to you versus others?
4. What did Jane Doe and her husband want done in response to what they experienced? Did they have a response goal in mind?
Because this is a HUGE PSYOP BIGGEST SPIRITUAL BYPASSING PSYOP it's bigger than the story itself to be honest. . .Bickle ain't all that great, nothing new under the sun, BUR MAN THE FOOLISH RESPONSES WOW ESPECIALLY THOSE FOOLED INTO THINKING THESE MEN CARE??? WOW THIS IS THE BIGGEST COVER UP, PSYCHOLOGICAL MIND BENDING MANIPULATION EVER PLAYED OUT ....IN THE NAME OF GOD AND ALL OF IHOP IS FALLING FOR IT.... unbelievable
I’m so grateful to hear from this group, so - thank you.
I’m simultaneously grieved over what seems to be a systemic issue at IHOPKC of not dealing appropriately with manipulation and abuse (even hinted at here, with the refusal/difficulty at first to believe just one survivor). I’m sure we’ll hear more in the coming months and I pray that true 180-degree change (repentance) takes place in this ministry and its practices.
Thank you Lord for these men of God. Great conversation. Thank you for your vulnerability and bravery.
Thank you for this video. Regards from Brazil
I hope this all ends well and that the victim is helped and safety measures are taken.
All of this saddens people who have had contact with the prayer movement in some way.
May God's justice be done.
Grateful for the video and the courageous men. Interesting to see the Christmas tree in the background... I guess it was filmed weeks ago. Aside from the editing, it probably took some time to know how and when to release it.
Yep. You probably already learned this, but it’s now known that it was filmed on Dec 20th. They held off the release in hopes to try to cool things down and make progress with IHOP. Recent discourse has led them to the release.
Thank you for touching on prophetic manipulation and lack of accountability in the charismatic world.
Amen.
While there needs to be more accountability in the charismatic world, it is not unique to charismatic people. The Catholic Church comes to mind along with Baptists, Lutherans et al. It’s a problem of the human condition, no human is above our fallen nature except Jesus Christ himself. I think we all need to remember, but for the grace of God that could be any one of us…the heart is deceptively wicked above all else, who can know it.
I BELIEVE YOU! I believe the women who have bravely come forward and are no longer carrying the false guilt of Mike’s actions on their shoulders. May healing and restoration happen.
Jono Hall, I appreciate the work you’re doing in these interviews. I know you’re a key part of the invention of the ihop concept of a “media messenger.” Filmmakers like myself in the community owe much to you!
I second this. I do wish that Jono shared his side of things, too, though.
This is so heartbreaking that in a ministry there are so many prophetic people who didn't see this. . . I pray for all involved. God have mercy on us all.
Prophetic people did see it and were ostracized and terribly wounded...😢 Even as recent as 2019 by those same leaders from 25 years ago.
@@fjd6423 Thank you. The third video in this series with the ladies gave great clarification on this point.
I ask the same thing. If they are really connected to Holy Spirit, where was the discernment? Or did people turn the other way?
@@angelirohival6270 what happened was when someone received the Word of Knowledge about the affair, that person was ostracized and terribly wounded. The confirmation came out this past Oct. Now that person that the rest of the prophets and pastors so badly treated is now validated/vindicated ... something Mike always preached.
In scanning the comments, I saw one that asked the same question I have...how did so many people who "operate in the prophetic" miss this? These leaders no doubt were praying for their colleagues and leaders but this was not revealed to them? or they were unable to listen. How do we avoid these missteps in our walk with Jesus. These are supposedly big deals in ministry and like the Jews looking at Jesus, they missed it.
So true statement.
@@LadyPeteryes. They missed that this guy - Bickle -was a total fraud. It doesn’t take seeing through “prophecy”, to be possessed of Simon’s discernment
I agree that confession is sadly lacking from the Church. I too want to be clean. Thanks for your courage and for sharing with us. Up until these videos the silence has been deafening.
It’s the lack of understanding of how abusers behave. The church is the perfect set up for an abuser. Their public image is their safe guard. It’s what helps them and helps the victims not being believed. We need to change the narrative that this doesn’t happen in the church and in the ministry.
It’s very traumatic for the victims in the church. Church is your life, community. And not being believed it cuts really deep in the victims souls. For people of your own church to rally around your abuser is so hurtful and traumatizing for the soul.
Sadly there are thousands and thousands and thousands of victims who aren’t believed. That leaders dare to stand up like this….. truly truly does not happen. You really set a new standard. Of doing what is right even if it means you stand alone.
That people are defending him with their lives….. that’s why the church is the perfect place for abusers. They can pick enablers around them. They pick very specific people who will stay loyal at any cost. That’s why they are picked. And it helps the abuser, they create the narrative for him while he plays the victim.
AMEN!!!
Been there!! Christians are the sweetest marks for them to abuse.
That is why the “wolves” eternal lives will be so much harder for them!
Taking advantage in God’s name is not looked upon kindly by their creator.
AMEN!!! Been there! Until Christians have actually seen this in operation up close, they cannot believe that people can be so deceitful and evil!!
Much to their regret, these users will find that God is not happy with them using His reputation to abuse His people.