Braid vs Fluorocarbon SHOCKING!! Info you didn't know! Proven Test!
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- I'm sure you always have heard that braided line is the most sensitive on the market. Well, it is in some cases but not in some. I will show you through a test that you will see with your own eyes how braid in some cases is the worst thing you can use. I will also explain when to use fluorocarbon. depending on whether you are fishing for freshwater bass or Saltwater fishing!
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I’m not sure what’s more impressive .. the line test or managing to convince your good wife to write a book so you can use it to perform your line test 🤣🤣🤣!!! Brilliant brilliant fact that you brought to light . Thank you 👍🏻
This video is 3 years old at this point but after watching I feel that I need to chime in for whatever my experience is worth to anyone reading these comments.
I fish 20 to 30 pound braid to 14 to 20 pound florocarbon leader of 12'ish foot long on all my bottom contact bait rods.... jigs, worms, shakey heads, wobble heads, ect...
I had myself questioned where or not I could feel a bite on a totally slack line sooooo KNOWING that there were bass in an area and KNOWING what they were biting at the time I decided to test it (years before ever seeing this video) and the answer is yes... yes I could. With my line laying totally slack on top of the water there was a vary distinctive tick. I have done this several times and where as I may not feel them all (I wouldn't know I missed it if I missed it) I have most definitely been able to feel bites on totally slack line with braid to leader.
Thank you David that was the best video I've seen all week on any channel. I will be totally rethinking my game plan now.
Very informative. That's why I love your channel David, you make us think outside the box. That's where I like to be. I continue to see the time and thought you put into your game and it shows with your success. Thanks
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That puts a totally new teist on how to perceive sensitivity with line types. Awesome info !!
Great info. I lean toward fluoro more than braid for everything, and I think you gave me the answer as to why. Always felt like could feel more on fluoro. Great stuff.
Love this bit of knowledge. Completely changes how I will be setting up some of my spinning gear for next year. Thanks David.
Fluoro on a spinning reel is a nightmare. You have my respect if you can get that to work! 🤞
Great video keep them coming, I'm just now learning how to use a baitcaster I've fished with a spinning reel most of my life but my point is I'm still learning every time I get out on the water to improve my fishing and your video was very great on which to use especially on my baitcasters. Thanks for this video. Tight lines always
This is why your growing very good information.
Awesome Video man! Thanks for dropping the knowledge. Makes me rethink most of my rigs and what line I have on them.
Good illustration David now it's got me thinking, thanks for sharing with us
This is something I've been telling people for a long time, especially as it relates to worm fishing and dropping a bait on semi-slack line. Another misconception about line is that fluorocarbon is more sensitive than mono because it has less stretch. The reason braid is more sensitive than both fluorocarbon or mono IS because of less stretch, the reason fluorocarbon is more sensitive (not to the same degree braid is over the other line types) is because it is denser. That's why it sinks and the others don't. Many fluorocarbons have as much or in some cases more stretch than mono. As a general rule lines that are limper and more manageable have more stretch. The moral of all of this is you have to balance your tackle (rods, lines, hooks, hooksets, and drag settings) to; detect a bite, set the hook, and land fish efficiently.
It's called line watching.
I already knew this by using my friends rod one time, I love braid but I will always jig with fluorocarbon line. Nice to hear someone else say it.
Mind blown 🤯! This will definitely change my fishing. Great video!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Keep up the awesome videos
Wow! Thanks for sharing Mr. Dudley
Very cool! For years I’ve used braid for swimbaits and top water and I primarily use floro for flipping, but that was just something that seemed to feel better for me. Now I know why.
Thank you for a very interesting and informative video. As mentioned in other comments... I too would be very interested to see (and/or hear about) an "updated" version when you try the experiment with a braid to fluorocarbon leader.
The braid would insulate the vibrations from the flouro. I don't think there would be any difference from straight braid
Thanks for all your videos. Lots of great info.
DD i wanna thank you for each and every video you have put out. I know i say it pretty often on your other vids but i truly do appreciate the education/tip to improve the average anglers fishing knowledge!
Tight lines DD!
It’d be nice to see some more fishing vids with techniques/tips.
Filming a fishing video today
Awesome cant wait!
For me Bass fishing is a constant search for knowledge. It’s an always evolving sport of technique and technology. It comes down to the angler how these are applied to the area of concentration of game fish. It’s also a geographical hunt on land and now a days Google Earth. Love it and thanks for the vids my man!
Interesting info. Thanks! Very helpful!
The advantage of braid isn’t just about sensitivity, to me more about greater line capacity, casting distance, abrasion resistance, and floating ability in many scenarios. When fishing any type of covers I’d never use straight fluorocarbon cuz they’re so easy to snap. I’d rather miss a fish than losing 50 yards of fluorocarbon line. Also, when talking about slack line sensitivity, it depends on how much slack there is, scientifically/physically speaking I think any line will lose sensitivity 100% if there’s enough slack. So the sensitivity advantage of fluorocarbon on a slack line is only present when the slack is minimal, and it’s probably only sensible with a $500+ rod, which is out of the budge for most. Here in Michigan when fishing sub 50 degrees which is very common, half an hour into fishing your hands are cold and numb af, and a $1000 rod will feel the same as something from Walmart...
Mind blown! 🤯🤯🤯 never considered that before, thanks DD!
Thank you for the information. I just started to look into different lines and just made the recent switch to braid from mono. Now I’ll be making that switch from braid to fluoro. I do love the braided violin though haha. Tight lines!
That’s really good information. I’m going fishing tomorrow and I’ll try the rest of fluorocarbon and braid.
This guy is the real life Kenny Powers of fishing and I love it!
This was a GREAT video. I cant believe I've never thaught of this. I will be using BOTH now as well. I think I'll have a fluro jigging pole and a braided swimming pole. Best braid vs fluro video I've seen on yt.
Solid test Dudley that can be a game changer for some situations
If you really think you can feel the vibration of a fish tapping a lure, on completely slack line, fluoro or otherwise, I have a bridge to nowhere I would like to sell you.
Well, he shouldn't have said feel it. If your line is slack and you're watching it on the surface of the water, you can see it shake a bit, vibrate, to certain activities of the lure below, more easily than you would if using braid. mono and fluro is under tension internally, compared to braid. i wouldn't be surprised if you could get significantly more hook sets if watching slack mono float on a still glass surface, than when watching braid float. not that this is most fishing scenarios, but it is some. live bait scenarios maybe, when you don't need super quick hooksets but want the bait to be loose and free.
Maybe you can’t on a zebco, but I can on my loomis
Good info and demonstration .
Fluoro makes a great leader. I just don't want it wound around my spool developing memory and getting ready to fly out like a Slinky when I try to cast. My favorite setup is braid tied to a fluorocarbon leader about the length of my rod blank or just a bit more. For slack line, seeing your line is more important than feeling it. So this year I'll be trying Fireline Tracer and a hi-vis braid as my main lines.
I use a 9 foot leader of fluorocarbon to braid with double uni knot. Been doing that way for a long time and I feel I get more bites but may be all in my head. Great information loved it👍👍
The day you stop learning, is the day you stop being successful in whatever you do....AWESOME video
Would love to see a comparison on mono vs fluoro vs copolymer vs mono with a measuring devices of sorts
Based of off my measuring device (my eyes) there is not much of an advantage of using fluorocarbon unless you are using heavy line 20+lb as a leader.
Recently, I have tried pitchn' with braid with flouro leader. I was pleased!
Great video didnt realize that flouro was that sensitive. Nice to know.
Good stuff! Dion Hibdon made this point some years ago. I view it this way: braid is digital (only ON or OFF) and fluorocarbon is analog (signal is anywhere between zero and maximum value). That is due to line memory of the single strand (fluorocarbon is a monofilament, as is nylon line) as compared to multi-stranded, braided line.
Thanks for the good info
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Great video!Learned a lot!
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Awesome video. Gamma line is great! Really like their flourocarbon and just trying their braid this year.
Appreciate the info brother! 👊💪
That's useful thanks for posting this!
Great video as usual! Can you do a video on different knots and when you use them?
Great advice. Thanks brotha
Awesome information!
Uncle Dave will always give us somthing to think about.
My frog rod . Braid
Punch rod. Braid
Top water Braid
Spinnerbait mono
The rest flouro.
Exactly how I rig my rods!
Saw you at the columbus fishing expo today and had to come watch this video
On your braided reels, are you using and leaders? Thank you for your video! Just subbed!
Huh... not the first time one of your theories made sense in one of your videos. Thanks David.
DD that’s the kind of video I need and can relate to easy, no hi-tech stuff. Keep on bringing it. Thanx
Great info, thank you
Thanks Dave. Gonna keep this in mind when my early spooling comes around. Love the tips. Always helps if it puts one more in the boat. and.... OUTRO
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Makes sense, and will try it. But, I seem to get more backlashes when I use florocarbon.
You said it best..."Eyeopening!"
You just blew my mind. Going to make some adjustments.
Great vid!! Laterally today i was thinking about switching over to braid.. but now, maybe not.
Wow. Nice vlog Mr Wheeler for sure.
Good info thank you!
First time ever seeing your vids and this just made me subscribe. I had never thought about slack line but I'm going to do some testing myself now . Thanks for the info!
Edit: also I know there's differences in flouro line from one to another some more crisp and less stretchy like fc sniper and other more stretchy and holding more memory like invisx. Any thoughts on the different types?
If you have problems with memory coils with fluorocarbon check out Line Taming Serum.
@@JohnAdams-oq1ts oh dang im learning so much
Another thing that might have a hand in flouro being more sensitive than braid is maybe because flouro is 1 strand and braid is several strands of line.?... Braid is also more limp and likely heavier and more dense. Great video and info! 👌💥
To me it's plain and tightline fishing I'm going to use braid examples where I use braid over mono is fishing a frog on top of lily pads sensitivity doesn't matter what horse in a fish out of the cover does flipping mono and fluorocarbon in heavy cover just don't you can get fish out of places you never could with either the previous if I'm pitching lay down trees I'm going to use monofilament probably 20 or 30 lb test I don't care for the price for the manageability a fluorocarbon and I can change my line 40 or 50 feet everyday
Braid float, fluoro sink... You've got your answer on density.
This was a great video, it taught me something, I use straight braid for froggin & prop baits, I tried it with texas rigging, but no luck, flurocarbon is the best choice for Texas rig, what about braid & flurocarbon leader it that sensitive?
I basically only use braid only with top water . But, I use braid with 3-5ft flouro leader ( sometimes but rarely with mono) when I use braid for other presentations other than topwater. And usually all flouro ( again sometimes mono) on spinning reels . It I've even gone to 10lb to 12 lb braid with a leader . And have had plenty sensitivity that way. But! GREAT VIDEO SIR! THANK YOU
It’d be interesting to match up seaguar red label vs. power pro spectra...something for those of us on a budget. I can’t afford gamma unfortunately.
ALSO...I wonder if the sensitivity of braid (or the perception of it) has to do with the “roughness” of its texture as the line itself is pulled over cover/limbs/rocks etc.
That's actually a great point I never thought of it like that but makes complete sense 👍🏻
The shock to the line transmitts thru air. But does a shock transmit through water. Put the line going into the water and looping out of it. I am thinking water may dampen that vibration much quicker than air.
Shoot. I may have restock on fluro line now..Hey D.D. whats up with the weird colored lighting..? Really some good info. Thanks.
The more I fish with braid, the more I appreciate the qualities of mono and fluorocarbon.
I'm ditching braid
Trashcan stuff tbh.
Dale is one of the wisest fishermen I’ve gotten to fish with. Fishing with him using the same bait I’ll catch 2 to his 4 on the Allegheny haha. Glad I’ve gotten to spend time in the shop and gotten to learn about line it’s helped me as a fishermen since I switched to Gama and fished with dale.
He sure is with a very kind heart
Hi Sir I've got new Penn VI 6500 Live Liner Fishing Reel & I was thinking of should I put braid line on or mono nylon on the reel &.I looked on other Utube sites & People using Fluorocarbon line &.when I saw your video & that was really amazing seeing Flurocarbon on slack line it still picked up vibrations in the water that is really impressive & I going to stick with Flurocarbon & my other older Penn 760 Live Liner Reel & the Live Liner 2 settings one is the lever Live Liner drag & two is the rear knob drag adjustment less or more drag & in the past years I caught a 19 1/2 pound Snapper on this Penn Rod & 760 Live Liner Fishing Reel Combo & that fish really put up a good fight to & I didn't have my main drag to higher drag as if this could run off again the fish could take out line & just some line out & the rod was bent right over to & the line on this Penn 760 Live Liner Reel is 25 lb. main line Mono Nyl
on & 50 lb mono Leader & later on when I got the 50 lb leader on the reel knew that I had the big Snapper & when I got the big fish to the surface my son Regan got the net & brought it into the boat & even Regan couldn't get over the size of this 19 1/2 pound Snapper & it was huge & took Regan to bring it into the boat & yet when I was Fighting this big Snapper my son kept saying to me bring it in bring it in & I said to him I'm trying I'm trying to bring it in & my arms were getting tired to & this Penn 760 Live Liner Reel has only 20lb drag & yet I was still able to catch this big Snapper & I didn't have the full drag on this Penn 760 Live Liner Reel & I not long serviced this Penn 760 Live Liner Reel & I took the side plate off the reel & it is still like new in side & I just a little more grease into the gears as still had grease inside the reel & I didn't even strip down the spool of the reel & still works well to & has a fantastic seal on the front Drag Knob & this Rod & Reel Combo is around 9 + years old & has a very little corrosion at the bottom of the reel & all that I have to do is get some sandpaper & a little bit of sanding down & wipe it down with a clean rag & masking tape & mask up it up where I don't want the paint to go & put primer on first & get the right gloss black paint & put on 2 coats on with a spray can with Rust proof black paint & my new Penn Vi 6500 Live Liner Reel has 30 lb drag &.4 Lever Live Liner settings & fully sealed reel & has the very best SAFETY FEATURE ON THIS PENN VI LIVE LINER FISHING REEL & AS THE SAME SAFETY FEATURE ON THE BIG PENN VI 8500 LIVE LINER REELS & YOU FLICK OPEN THE BAIL ARM OVER TO OPEN POSITION & IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TURN THE HANDLE ON THE REEL THE BAIL WILL NOT SLAM OVER TO CLOSED POSITION AS YOU MANUALLY FLICK IT BACK OVER WITH YOUR FINGER OR FINGERS & I DO LIKE THE PENN 8500 LIVE LINER REEL AS IT IS A LOT BIGGER REEL & HAS 40 LB DRAG & ALSO HAS 4 LEVER LIVE LINER SETTINGS & FULL SEALED FROM SALT WATER TO & THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THESE 2 REELS I WISH IT HAD THE EXTRA LONG SPOOLS ON THESE PENN REELS & MY SON REGAN HAS THE PENN IV 8500 LIVE LINER REEL & HE IS REALLY HAPPY WITH THIS REEL.
Regan has taken the braid of his reel & I'm going to tell to put FLUROCARBON LINE ON HIS REEL & HAVE A 50 LB LEADER AS WELL
Kind Regards Peter PS Sir I Wish You A Happy New Year For 2023 & Hope It Is A Good 1 For 2023
Good video!
Question guys! I see a lot of people using roughly 60/40 braid to fluorocarbon.. I understand using a leader but what’s the point of just having all that braid under if you’ll never see it?
Wow. First like!! How often if ever do you throw a lipless crank bait on braid vs floro?
I use floro leader with lip less 16lb
That's pretty damn interesting. I'm a Fl. guy because of the super clear water I fish though. hahaha
BassGeek love ya Hank
I have a question concerning flourocarbon and water temperature, in 2018 I was using all flourocarbon on my flipping and pitching rods in the months of January, Feb, and March, keep in mind I'm fishing Toledo Bend and other North Louisiana lakes, I broke off several big bites during this time, and it cost me a tournament in February, and one in March. After 2018, I refuse to use Flourocarbon in colder water temps. I use either mono, or maybe braid around grass. Don't get me wrong I have certain applications that I love, absolutely love flourocarbon, in fact just last week flouro helped me get a small squarebill down into 6-8 foot depths on rip rap and helped me catch some fish I probably would not have caught, so yeah in situations where I'm not putting close range shock on it, such as a moving bait I need to stay down I will use it in cold water. Now once the water warms I have no problem switching my texas rig rods and flipping/pitching rods over to flouro and don't have a problem with break-offs, although I have to keep a constant check on it because it is not as abrasion resistant as my Triplefish mono that I use. I believe it has to do with cold water temps. What are your thoughts on this.
I fish lakes when its below 40s w floro just like when its above 80s.
No issues.
Im always putting fresh line on when ever possible.
I use more Fluoro when it’s cold. I’m in Colorado, so I’ll fish from ice off to ice out. I’ve dragged jigs, dropshot, chatterbaits, etc. on Fluoro when the water was 34-35 and never had a problem. Don’t jack them hard like you do in warm weather.
That is a true conclusion David. Flouro. is MUCH more sensitive on a slack line (ie. pitching/flipping) for detecting bites on the fall. The best way to convince your self is take 2 identical rods, rigged the same except the line type and prove it to yourself on the water in real situations. It is noticeable! It also is a factor on how supple the flouro. brand/type is. Again, more supple flouro. may handle and cast better but for the best bite detection on a slack line the stiffer stuff is better. For different reasons, I use mostly braid (usually 65 lb.) for these presentations though. I fish in Minnesota and mostly on very weedy, natural lakes. There are a lot of Pike and Muskies in them and I both don't want to lose a lot of tackle to them and also have a way better chance to land them as well without getting bit off. Minnesota bass are generally pretty dumb too and usually not line shy, from my experience.
*Have used the braided line for several years **enjoyable.fishing** recommend both for salmon in the summer as well as walleye through the ice. Can’t beat it for the price!*
Do we actually feel vibrations that transfer from line to rod? Or do we feel a change is line tension?
Awesome vid I always have used fluorocarbon I use 8 lb test. Me and my dad have both cought 8.5 pounders I like fluorocarbon it's the best line in my opinion.
I like the info.
95% of the time I'm using a tube or a grub. Dragging it on the bottom, popping it a little. On my pauses I leave slack and watch the line, so I suppose if you're watching the line it doesn't matter. Based off my experiences. Honestly I'm no expert. Not even close. I've only used flurocarbon a couple times.
I guess the point of the video though is feeling the bite rather than seeing it. I'm definitely gonna be using flurocarbon more this next summer to see if I can feel the difference.
Thank you for the video!
Great information but the one thing I want to know is how sensitivity on flouro to braid?
Awesome experiment! Subbed! What about mono and copolymer though?
Didn't try cause all I use is floro
I am an Engineer and with two lines that are relatively low on stretch, whichever line is larger in diameter is going to transfer more energy down the line due to air or water resistance. Kind of like swinging a pvc tube through the air vs a wire. This phenomenon occurs on a slack line. If the line is hanging slack into the water and a bass bites, the thicker line is going to be harder to move through the water to straighten the line, so a slight movement will transfer up the line faster than a thinner line. If the lines are straight, whichever line has less stretch will be more sensitive.
What are your thoughts about Braid with a Floarocarbin leader?
I prefer braid for a few specific reasons,mainly thinner line for better pound test.helps to either get better casting range or cheat a few extra pounds of strength.also seems braid helps when fishing like brush piles.it seems a bit abraision resistant.and I often use mono leader on braid.sensitivity can be subjective.depends on the individual.some folks can feel more on their finger,some not so much.and some just don't know what to feel for.so I think that sensitivity can be subjective and should be taken as such,though there is valid point in having sensitivity in line and rod.just bear in mind it can be different person to person
Do you have any concern about braid causing a vibration in the water on a moving bait, like a spinnerbait, and turning fish off?
Thank you man it's the truth a1960 born man my father taught me how to make the most of mono and fluro and that was growing up in fort Pierce Florida so that over priced braid crap is out unless I,am in real heavy cover Lillie pad and grass don't get it for I,be pull monsters out of that type of cover with no problem
Great video
Always use braid to a leader either fluorocarbon or mono depending on the situation serves me well
Haven’t watched the full yet but I only defer from flouro if 20-25lb doesn’t do the trick. Then I switch to 50-65lb braid
Great video! Try pitching with braid on a windy day, lol. It’ll be a long messy day.
Very interesting. I’m subscribed now. Thanks....🎣
Great Video Big D ! But what if I went braid with a Fluoro leader ? Thats how I have been fishing my lines .
Man im glad you made this video. Thibking back ive caught so many fish flipping matts when i feel nothing or after its hit the bottom but rarely feel that bite as opposed to flouro where ive caught so many flipping on that initial drop and i can feel the bite on slack while its dropping. Totally males sense. I wonder if having a flouro leader would make it better, but since braid is so limp it would provably absorb it before it gets to the rod......
I dont think flipping or punching mats would be wise using flurocarbon. I don't think the leader would make a difference either.
@@k.b.2262 true that, I'm A 70lb samurai guy myself.
I believe the rule of thumb, no pun intended, depends upon the cover they're relating to in a given situation. In heavy matts & vegetation, you need strength and relative small diameter to cut through during the hookset & battle. I have more confidence in 50/10 braid to cut through, than I do with 65/16 lb test/relative diameter. However if I'm targeting flooded timber/blowdowns, I'd then favor higher strength braid as smaller diameter can backfire. Personally if they holding near rock, I'll favor mono/fluoro for abrasion resistance, but I'll not shy away from braid if they're not holding tight. So, post front & early spring I'm not using much braid. The bottom line is use what you have the most confidence in.
I've tested mono as well and it is more sensitive than braid or flouro on slack line
Braid to florocarbon for me... on everything, unless I can get away with straight braid. At this point it's a confidence thing for me. I will use mono on big swimbaits for the stretch and that's it
Yes sir! Same for me.