Great vid bro. Own both brands. Love both brands. BS edges out AE for me because of their value prop. High quality on par with AE at the price point they offer tips the scales their way. Another added bonus is that BS always sends percentage off or multiple shoe purchase deals to my email which can really increase the value. It's not just the initial 20% off after initial purchase. Great channel.
Let me clarify, they do not have a cork midsole any longer. In the past this was true and I thought they still did this, however after speaking with them, they no longer offer the cork layer.
Wore Beckett Simmonon wholecut oxfords for my wedding and couldn't have been more satisfied. I own some AE shoes too. For the price, Beckett is just as good of a value as AE, because you can get them new at $150-200 easily.
glad to hear about your positive experience with their wholecuts. i agree there's tremendous value for the price. as I mentioned in the vid, so long as you're willing to wait it out, beckett simonon is well worth it. how long have you had 'em and how are they holding up?
Glad I came across this channel & review. I have been looking at the BS in comparison to the AE, but the fact that the BS does not come in the wider widths I need like EE is a golden piece of information.
I own both of those pairs of Allen Edmonds in both of those colors, coincidentally. I wore those Fifth Avenues on my wedding day. They're great, absolutely no complaints, only compliments
I'm new to leather boots/shoes in general. I'm sold to Beckett Simonon but I read that they use Blake stitching instead of GYW that's why i hesitated to pull the trigger. Supposedly, Blake stitch is not as durable or easy to repair as GYW. Is this true? Or is it overexagerrated.
Haven't tried Thursday shoes yet, but have a few pair of boots. Cole Haan is underrated IMO. Never tried J&M believe it or not, but have heard both the good and bad of it.
@@gentwithin As someone who owns both CH and J&M shoes, they're both tops in terms of comfort, but you get that at the cost of longevity... both will wear out in a couple/few years with regular use. That comes with cheap materials and cemented construction. I do like J&M though (they're priced decently), and CH as well (IF you can get them on sale, which happens often.)
I think the Ace and BS are pretty close because they are both Blake stitched. The AE are GYW. Dollar for dollar the Beckett’s are the best bet but the wait time is longer.
I own two pairs of BS, in cap toe brogue and monkstraps, as well as a dozen AEs. I'd totally agree with nearly everything you've said here. The only thing I'd note is that after contacting BS and asking how to size a 7.5, I was told size down. I was reluctant but did so and found them to fit nearly exactly the same as the AE 7.5. Not sure what to make of that and how it would impact a true 7 foot, but that's that. Like yours, my cap toes began to crease ever so slightly just behind the cap. Not unsightly, but enough that the shine of the cap meets a duller textured distal vamp section before reaching the more posterior shiny vamp. I love them all and fortunately, don't need to choose one over the other. I'm looking at Rancourt nowadays.
I'm a size 7.5 US myself,so you got the 8 ,how does it fit, I'm afraid to order as I wanted the 7.5,the other thing between the Durant and the Dean as 1 dress shoes which one can I get and is the Bordeaux colour versitile as a one shoe or I should get the brown?
@@gentwithin but you said in the vedio you are a 7.5 so I wanna know if I should get the 8 or 7 as there is no 7.5,I'm even afraid to buy as you said 8 is loose so you think 7 will do?
@@Hi-pt2nq I'd rather have a little bit big than too tight tbh. the 8 isn't overly big. and you can wear thicker socks or insoles to help fill out the shoes. if it's too tight u can't do anything. why don't u try both and keep what fits best?
I have AE's and BS's and the AE's are not better than the BS's at all. They are as close as it gets and there are numerous cobbler videos of them being disassembled showing the quality of the BS's. Buy on aesthetic because the quality is there on all of them.
the leather on my Allen Edmond Strands definitely feel thicker & more substantial than my beckett simonons Vasco oxfords. I've only had both of them for around 6-7 months. I can tell that the Allen Edmond's will not crease as much as the Simonons. I do like them both though. Beckett simonon oxfords definitely felt more comfortable right out of the box. After about maybe 6-weeks, my Allen Edmond Strands finally began to feel comfortable. I was not wearing these shoes everyday though. I probably wear the Allen Edmonds 1-2 days a week, which is about the same w/ the Beckett Simonon.
Dark Chili is the way to go brother. Unfortunately QC is the biggest turn off point for me now whenever I think about AE despite i own 3 pairs already. Of course I'll grab the 2nd AE sale in a heartbeat but no way I pay MSRP for them anymore. Great review!
Agree with you Henry. I’ve got three pairs, have bought seven total over the years, but have returned four of them. QC and inconsistent sizing (I live close to a company store and have been measured). BS are on my short list for new shoes though.
Brandon Mouton the wide variety of last, style and size without a strict QC system turned their advantage to their weakness. I’m so lost with my Grayson loafer, 5th Ave and McAllister and the fit are different. Don’t even talk about their boots.
Hey, great channel! Love your explanation and the cutscenes of you actually wearing each shoe, plus the outfit guide. Your channel motivates me to continue to provide great quality information to gentlemen out there. I’ll keep an eye on you and your website. Keep up the hustle!
Hello Khoi, sorry for this super late question. I have questions about sizing of Beckett Simonon. First, this is my situation. I am usually a 7.5 in sneakers (Adidas 7.5) and most other shoes are EU 39 or EU 40. I think I have a short but maybe slightly wide feet, like Adidas 7 is good for length, but width is slightly discomfort, but 7.5 Adidas bring a lot of comfort for width. Can I ask you if u have the measurement of the width of you foot in inches or centimeters? Like the max width of your biggest foot ? I have chat with BS customer service and they cant provide the information so I guess the only way to figure out if size 7 is good for me is ask you. Thanks a lot in advance! Love your channel
Beckett Simonon is a no brainer. AE is normally $395 I am in the process of upgrading all my shoes one pair at a time and B S just offers a better value.
Hey, I just placed an order the BS durants, and I picked a size 8.5. I’m usually a size 9 in Nike and Adidas. I purchased some wingtips from Cole Haan and the size 8.5 was a bit too big for me (a size 8 would have been better for me imo).The cole haan website said if I was a 9 in Nike, then 8.5 would be fine in Cole Haan. Do you think I should size down to an 8 for the BS or wait for the 8.5 to arrive and possibly exchange it?
Hey man, great pick up. The Durants are real nice. I'd wait for the 8.5 to arrive. If you're 9 Nike, then 8.5 should fit proper. If not, you can always exchange as they'll have extra supply for you to do so.
At ~ 6:40, do you mean the leather is fraying as in it's coming unraveled/wearing away with loose threads? Or are you just referring to the "spikey" nature of the edges? Just asking because if you just mean the design, that part is on purpose. It's called "pinking" or "gimping," which means "decorative edging in a saw-toothed design."
@@gentwithin Yeah and I mean that said, I'm sure there are shoes where there the stitching around the pinking is coming loose and stuff like that. Just trying to help clarify between the two in case people weren't sure!
I would say if you're short on money, go for the Beckett Simonon, but if you are close to the price of an Allen Edmonds, go for those. The Allen Edmonds are good year welts and Beckett are Blake. So you can go longer with the allens much longer.
Only having one width is a deal killer on the Beckett Simonon for me. For years shoe stores kept selling me 9D width shoes, because that's what they had, and not knowing better that's what I got. They were never that comfortable and damaged my feet. Finally getting a Bannock device and finding out my true size and buying a pair of Allen Edmonds 10Bs was a revelation!! Unfortunately the damage to my feet is permanent. If you've got D width feet, one of the most common, that's great, but if you don't avoid them like the plague!
Good review. I own several pairs of each, and agree with much of what was said but do think materials and fit are MUCH better with AE. B.S. Leather quality is just not on on the same level as AE - both my B.S. (monk and wholecuts) showed considerable creasing after just one wear - my two year old, ‘daily driver’ AE Tate wingtips look better. Creased up wholecuts just look terrible. Also, for me, AEs listing of lasts and the variety of widths they offer allows a much better ability to get a perfect fit and, just as importantly I can order other styles in the same Last and be assured the same fit. B.S. just can’t provide that fit variety now. I can’t deny the low cost proposition of B.S. but I’m finding that I just don’t enjoy them as much as others in my collection so they tend not to get worn much...
Thanks for the comment, Barry. All valid points. AE's leather is higher quality. My B-S Durant Brogues & Dean Oxford haven't creased, but like you the monks (currently testing) creased considerably on first wear which is slightly disappointing. Agreed on the creased up wholecuts, not a good look. The variety of widths and lasts with AE is surely an advantage where B-S can't compete.
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I own 4 pair of AE and one pair of BS (double monks). The AEs were around $250 on sale and the BS were about 200. So in realistic terms the price is VERY similar. I think the quality of the AE leather is superior to the BS. I do not think the quality of workmanship on the AEs was much superior. Again, I only have one pair of BS. I also have two pair of shoes from Herring which are made in England. The leather is a bit stiff and took a little longer to break in but I actually think they are better than AE or BS if you know your UK size. Some are available in a wide size (not all). I have a pair of black cap toes and a pair of wingtip in Walnut. Each was 257 US dollars and I am very happy with the quality.
I have the hoyt (in bordeaux) as well...when B-S shoes get down to $119-150, then it's a steal. $200 is basically retail for them. I agree with you, the AE leather is superior and doesn't crease nearly as much. in fact my AE shoes and boots have virtually no creases at all. haven't checked out Herring before, maybe I should. edit: just checked out Herring...the shoes look really slick and high quality.
I have three pairs of AE, 5th Ave. Cap, Blk & Brown one Slit Toe...BS Cap toe Tan & Burgundy Db Monk and just ordered Tan Single Monk. Oh Got a Messenger Bag from BS as well. Good Quality.
Everyone talks about BS having really good discounts, will just say that AE is usually more expensive, though I’d say at some point throughout the year, they run massive discounts on their models, so if you’re patient, you may actually get a cheaper shoe from AE than the standard 20% off at BS
The Strand is quite a unique design. The look is in between a semi brogue and full brogue. It also has a ‘heaviness’ somewhat reminiscent of English country styling. A great casual shoe but for an office brogue I would opt for a sleeker last, narrower broguing (and less of it) in the Adelaide style. I personally think the Adelaide is the most formal looking semi brogue.
First let me say that Allen Edmonds are a great quality shoe but they are old school as far as style goes. For me Magnanni or Too Boot New York have a 2019 fresh style that anyone under the age of 40 should consider..
@@gentwithin Paul Evans are the shoes that all of us stylish men strive for but unfortunately the price point has lead me down to the 2nd tier of great looking stylish shoes AKA Magnanni/Too Boot New York. But when I hit the lottery you bet your bottom dollar my shoe rack will have many pairs of Paul Evans. LOL
1) Try before you buy. A/E wins with many places to try them on. 2) Do you fly with dress shoes on ? A/E wins the with metal detector because they have no metal shank
Add- AE is starting to offer additional custom options from two tone leather combos, weatherproof leather, and different sole types. But honestly if you want a better value - TLB Mallorca
Blake stitched shoes are much less expensive to make and they do not hold up anywhere near as long as 360 degree Goodyear welt. I’ll go with AE every time. I have had both AE and Alden shoes for over forty years and both are very high quality and do last decades. Go with AE or Alden and you will never be disappointed.
Not necessarily, there are Blake stitched shoes that are more expensive than GYW. And while generally GYW is more highly regarded in terms of quality, I wouldn't say that Blake doesn't hold up anywhere near. Blake stitched shoes can last for decades too.
Gentleman Within Blake stitched shoes, in my case, have not held up as well as GYW shoes. Further, when I took them in for repair the cobbler indicated that they aren’t worth repairing for the cost of fixing them. These were designer shoes and didn’t hold up worth a shit. Sorry, but that is my experience.
I have 10 pairs of Edmonds and love everyone of them. I finally bit the bullet and bought one pair of Beckett simonon and waited 3 months or more for them.I order them right before the pandemic yet so I had to wait a couple more months. And after I waited all that time for them they sent me a half size too big. I ordered 10 mediums and they sent 10 1/2 and this was one instance where the way they make those shoes they were too big. I wasn't impressed with the feel of them quite honestly. They feel unusually heavy to me I'll stick with the Allen Edmonds.
I've been keeping my eye on Beckett Simonon but my AE run at 3e width, which isnt a width size supported by BS: otherwise, I would certainly invest in a pair of BS shoes.
AE is the Michael Jackson of shoes, in terms of popularity, and should just be out in a league of their own instead of in comparisons. They are the number one business Shoe and if you get into their variations you really need no other kind of shoe especially if you are using the shoes for that intended purpose . Many would perceive that they have been in business for a long time, but the sartorial knows that they have been refining their image for a long time. so for some new shit on the block to come up and think that they could stand next to them? That no go so
I've got a couple pairs if Allen Edmonds and one pair of Beckette Simonon. So far the AE leather appears softer, more comfortable, and is holding up better. Beckett is a slightly more sleek and fashionable shoe. I'd give the edge to AE in terms of long term value. Just my two cents based on a not whole lot of experience.
Thanks for sharing your experience with both brands. I find the Becketts, particularly the Durants to have softer leather than both the Strand and Fifth Ave, but it seems the AE's are proving to be more durable long term. I've got to give my Becketts more wear, especially the Dean in black. It's all brown in town over here...
In my experience, Meermin are extremely hard and uncomfortable. I have had them for over 3 months, and they still have not molded to my feet. Very nice looking shoes, though.
@@gentwithin Yes. AE has a store near me. Have three pairs, captoe Oxford phase. Tan, Black, Burgundy. Wear them with everything even shorts on one occasion. Wife surprised me a pair of oak colored Hoyt Monkstraps by BS been hooked ever since. Valencia wholecuts have become go too shoe. Got the Bernard Tassel and waiting on suede brown Bolton Chelsea.
Hahaha, you can't tell the difference between the leather in the BS and AE?! Are you serious? Wear the BS a few times and you'll see. Much cheaper leather than AE..and I'm not really an AE fan either.
The shape of the BS is way more elegant than AE. Look at how the laces open up as they go from the capote to the higher part, absolutely not classy and quite informal for an Oxford shoe. BS closes much better. As well if you look from the above the shape of o e BS front is much more rounded and contoured compared to the AE that to my eyes look quite straight and there is very little curves that make the foot more harmonious. To me BS win in the shape department.
you're right. I reached out to them and they confirmed. that's good to know. They did use cork at one point hence the misinformation. instead their midsole is full veg tanned leather.
@@gentwithin I'm from Wisconsin originally and used to live in Port Washington when I was little. It's more just a point of local pride (e.g. imagine if you were reviewing a craft beer from a small town in New Jersey but said it was from Brooklyn)
i edit videos so that there are no pauses to keep the video streamlined and as short as it can be. does it bother you that there are no pauses in speech? thanks for the feedback.
@@gentwithin , I agree that a few more pauses to allow the thought process to work while you speak would help. I know you're putting out a ton of info, but the pauses help. Thanks
Let me ask a question, why on earth would any man where Allen Edmonds with ankle hugging pants, they do a serious disservice to those great shoes. My goodness I cant wait for that style to fade away. Disgraceful.
There are so many things that are disgraceful in this world. Interesting you chose no break trousers to say so. If anything it's giving the shoes all the spotlight.
@@gentwithin I used to have tapered polo chinos, I have no problem with a tapered leg, but the pants in this video were just ridiculous, I flat out hate that style, and a great pair of shoes, will demand the spotlight, you dont have to get all feminine with close fitting pants. It seems like they have on their little brothers close. Hate that style, I guess you see that.
I had originally liked the video but I couldn’t get past your horrible mispronunciation of a major city in our hemisphere. The emphasis, FYI, is on the last syllable. Yes, call me petty.
these fashion clothing fanatics bandy around the term gentleman like it means nothing. A gentleman is not someone who is simply polite, or well dressed which is very subjective. Gentleman is a social rank that very few men possess. It cannot be attaineed by dressing like your social betters. that is usually a habit of snobs who try to emulate the behaviors of the nobility while looking down on people of their own social class
@@gentwithin There is a recent Allen Edmonds Ad stating The Park Ave Shoes are made by the best shoemakers in the world. I called them and asked then about this claim. They said The President's of The United States have worn them and they have a goodyear welt. I said that has that got to do with my question?
Do you buy your shoes or do shoe companies sometime offer you free samples to review on your channel? Either way very informative. I love the passion for dress shoes trending these days among young millennials. Bring back elegant style!
Thanks man. It's a mix of both. I still buy my own shoes, and I have brands offering to send free shoes, clothing, watches, etc...all the time. Most don't get featured on the channel.
Allen Edmonds vs Beckett Simonon…who ya got?
Gentleman Within:
Allen Edmonds’s for sure!
I own both and have to go with Allen Edmonds because I have wide feet...
Men's Fashion & Fitness AE has a wider shoe sole? How wide are your feet?
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@@estevancontreras9717 it's definitely a fan fave.
Just snagged my first pair of AE's Fifth Avenue in Blk w/Daenite Soles. Amazing! I needed some Style direction, this content is On Point!
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Great vid bro. Own both brands. Love both brands. BS edges out AE for me because of their value prop. High quality on par with AE at the price point they offer tips the scales their way. Another added bonus is that BS always sends percentage off or multiple shoe purchase deals to my email which can really increase the value. It's not just the initial 20% off after initial purchase. Great channel.
I agree, it's hard to beat BS value prop.
AE shoes are just amazing shoes. Comfortable, classy and they last forever
Yeah man, they're great and extremely long lasting. Every pair of AE I own are still going strong.
Are you sure about what you said regarding Beckett Simonon having a cork layer? From what I know, that is not a characteristic of Blake stitch shoes.
Let me clarify, they do not have a cork midsole any longer. In the past this was true and I thought they still did this, however after speaking with them, they no longer offer the cork layer.
Wore Beckett Simmonon wholecut oxfords for my wedding and couldn't have been more satisfied. I own some AE shoes too. For the price, Beckett is just as good of a value as AE, because you can get them new at $150-200 easily.
glad to hear about your positive experience with their wholecuts. i agree there's tremendous value for the price. as I mentioned in the vid, so long as you're willing to wait it out, beckett simonon is well worth it. how long have you had 'em and how are they holding up?
@@gentwithin I've had them about five months, but I've worn them very sparingly. I'll wear them a lot more in the summer, though.
oh okay. Let me ask, do you wear them sockless (no-show socks) in the summer?
@@gentwithin I haven't yet, but I plan to.
Glad I came across this channel & review. I have been looking at the BS in comparison to the AE, but the fact that the BS does not come in the wider widths I need like EE is a golden piece of information.
Glad it was helpful!
I own both of those pairs of Allen Edmonds in both of those colors, coincidentally. I wore those Fifth Avenues on my wedding day. They're great, absolutely no complaints, only compliments
you've got great taste, sir.
I'm new to leather boots/shoes in general. I'm sold to Beckett Simonon but I read that they use Blake stitching instead of GYW that's why i hesitated to pull the trigger. Supposedly, Blake stitch is not as durable or easy to repair as GYW. Is this true? Or is it overexagerrated.
I have both and like both.
AE has more “heritage” but BS are almost 1/2 price of a AE so fantastic value.
Allen edmonds all the way!!👍😊.
AE's surely a classic. I'm curious though, what are your thoughts on Beckett Simonon?
Not a big fan, but its on my list of shoes. Provably one of my 3rd or 4th choices, i would buy a Thursday shoe, or cole hann, or johnson Murray.
Haven't tried Thursday shoes yet, but have a few pair of boots. Cole Haan is underrated IMO. Never tried J&M believe it or not, but have heard both the good and bad of it.
@@gentwithin As someone who owns both CH and J&M shoes, they're both tops in terms of comfort, but you get that at the cost of longevity... both will wear out in a couple/few years with regular use. That comes with cheap materials and cemented construction. I do like J&M though (they're priced decently), and CH as well (IF you can get them on sale, which happens often.)
I hope you can another comparison and that time have Ace Marks compared to AE & BS.
Hear so much about Ace Marks. Really got to look into them. Good idea.
Gentleman Within yes please do! Was going to ask for the same comparison as I’m on the fence between the three. Thanks for this video!
Peter Rivera-Pierola I really hope he does it soon. Also for boots if possible.
I second this request.
I think the Ace and BS are pretty close because they are both Blake stitched. The AE are GYW. Dollar for dollar the Beckett’s are the best bet but the wait time is longer.
Awesome video. I always wanted to see a comparison video between these 2 companies. Especially one that involved the walnut strand.
awesome. glad it was helpful. which are you leaning towards?
@@gentwithin The Walnut Strands, and the Oxblood Beckett Simonons that you had on. I had to have them both.
I own two pairs of BS, in cap toe brogue and monkstraps, as well as a dozen AEs. I'd totally agree with nearly everything you've said here. The only thing I'd note is that after contacting BS and asking how to size a 7.5, I was told size down. I was reluctant but did so and found them to fit nearly exactly the same as the AE 7.5. Not sure what to make of that and how it would impact a true 7 foot, but that's that. Like yours, my cap toes began to crease ever so slightly just behind the cap. Not unsightly, but enough that the shine of the cap meets a duller textured distal vamp section before reaching the more posterior shiny vamp. I love them all and fortunately, don't need to choose one over the other. I'm looking at Rancourt nowadays.
thanks for sharing!
I'm a size 7.5 US myself,so you got the 8 ,how does it fit, I'm afraid to order as I wanted the 7.5,the other thing between the Durant and the Dean as 1 dress shoes which one can I get and is the Bordeaux colour versitile as a one shoe or I should get the brown?
they fit fine. 8 dress shoes fit me pretty well across the board. i personally like bordeaux durant.
@@gentwithin but you said in the vedio you are a 7.5 so I wanna know if I should get the 8 or 7 as there is no 7.5,I'm even afraid to buy as you said 8 is loose so you think 7 will do?
@@Hi-pt2nq I'd rather have a little bit big than too tight tbh. the 8 isn't overly big. and you can wear thicker socks or insoles to help fill out the shoes. if it's too tight u can't do anything. why don't u try both and keep what fits best?
AE makes the better shoe hands down from the names listed by far .... personally I go with Carmina
nice, that's a brand i've been meaning to try
I have AE's and BS's and the AE's are not better than the BS's at all. They are as close as it gets and there are numerous cobbler videos of them being disassembled showing the quality of the BS's.
Buy on aesthetic because the quality is there on all of them.
the leather on my Allen Edmond Strands definitely feel thicker & more substantial than my beckett simonons Vasco oxfords. I've only had both of them for around 6-7 months. I can tell that the Allen Edmond's will not crease as much as the Simonons. I do like them both though. Beckett simonon oxfords definitely felt more comfortable right out of the box. After about maybe 6-weeks, my Allen Edmond Strands finally began to feel comfortable. I was not wearing these shoes everyday though. I probably wear the Allen Edmonds 1-2 days a week, which is about the same w/ the Beckett Simonon.
good analysis
Your Beckett simonon are creasing hard. How long you have them?
at the time of this review, several months. I'm using shoe trees regularly when I wear them to help with the creasing.
Dark Chili is the way to go brother. Unfortunately QC is the biggest turn off point for me now whenever I think about AE despite i own 3 pairs already. Of course I'll grab the 2nd AE sale in a heartbeat but no way I pay MSRP for them anymore. Great review!
THanks man! I think factory seconds are great and also the rediscover america sale you'll find some steep discounts. never buy AE MSRP.
Agree with you Henry. I’ve got three pairs, have bought seven total over the years, but have returned four of them. QC and inconsistent sizing (I live close to a company store and have been measured).
BS are on my short list for new shoes though.
Brandon Mouton the wide variety of last, style and size without a strict QC system turned their advantage to their weakness. I’m so lost with my Grayson loafer, 5th Ave and McAllister and the fit are different. Don’t even talk about their boots.
Hey, great channel! Love your explanation and the cutscenes of you actually wearing each shoe, plus the outfit guide. Your channel motivates me to continue to provide great quality information to gentlemen out there. I’ll keep an eye on you and your website. Keep up the hustle!
thank you! keep up the hustle 💪
Hello Khoi, sorry for this super late question. I have questions about sizing of Beckett Simonon. First, this is my situation. I am usually a 7.5 in sneakers (Adidas 7.5) and most other shoes are EU 39 or EU 40. I think I have a short but maybe slightly wide feet, like Adidas 7 is good for length, but width is slightly discomfort, but 7.5 Adidas bring a lot of comfort for width. Can I ask you if u have the measurement of the width of you foot in inches or centimeters? Like the max width of your biggest foot ? I have chat with BS customer service and they cant provide the information so I guess the only way to figure out if size 7 is good for me is ask you. Thanks a lot in advance! Love your channel
Hey Khang, thanks for your message. Max width of my biggest foot is around 4". Let me know if you have any other Q's.
Beckett Simonon is a no brainer. AE is normally $395 I am in the process of upgrading all my shoes one pair at a time and B S just offers a better value.
they're both great options imo!
@@gentwithin yes I should have said that I also own 5 pairs of Allen Edmunds.
Why would you compare a Blake and Goodyear welt shoe side by side?
why not?
@@gentwithin 😬🤪🤪🤪🤪
Khoi I like this Brogue Battle!! Awesome 👏 . They are both great!!
thanks my guy! glad you enjoyed this. do you have any pairs of AE or B-S?
Wait quality goes to Allen Edmonds the one that I had messed up stitching? Only because they’ve been around longer….
nah, the leather is clearly superior. stitching is minor QC
Hey, I just placed an order the BS durants, and I picked a size 8.5. I’m usually a size 9 in Nike and Adidas. I purchased some wingtips from Cole Haan and the size 8.5 was a bit too big for me (a size 8 would have been better for me imo).The cole haan website said if I was a 9 in Nike, then 8.5 would be fine in Cole Haan. Do you think I should size down to an 8 for the BS or wait for the 8.5 to arrive and possibly exchange it?
Hey man, great pick up. The Durants are real nice. I'd wait for the 8.5 to arrive. If you're 9 Nike, then 8.5 should fit proper. If not, you can always exchange as they'll have extra supply for you to do so.
Gentleman Within will wait! I hope the shoes are as good as everyone makes them to be. Thanks for the reply!
no prob! let me know what you think when you get them.
At ~ 6:40, do you mean the leather is fraying as in it's coming unraveled/wearing away with loose threads? Or are you just referring to the "spikey" nature of the edges? Just asking because if you just mean the design, that part is on purpose. It's called "pinking" or "gimping," which means "decorative edging in a saw-toothed design."
thanks for the information man! i figured it's more so a visual thing and has no bearing on quality.
@@gentwithin Yeah and I mean that said, I'm sure there are shoes where there the stitching around the pinking is coming loose and stuff like that. Just trying to help clarify between the two in case people weren't sure!
I would say if you're short on money, go for the Beckett Simonon, but if you are close to the price of an Allen Edmonds, go for those. The Allen Edmonds are good year welts and Beckett are Blake. So you can go longer with the allens much longer.
i can agree with that.
Only having one width is a deal killer on the Beckett Simonon for me. For years shoe stores kept selling me 9D width shoes, because that's what they had, and not knowing better that's what I got. They were never that comfortable and damaged my feet. Finally getting a Bannock device and finding out my true size and buying a pair of Allen Edmonds 10Bs was a revelation!! Unfortunately the damage to my feet is permanent. If you've got D width feet, one of the most common, that's great, but if you don't avoid them like the plague!
yeah, it's unfortunate many of the new DTC brands aren't catering to more than just the standard D width, but I'm sure they will in time.
Good review. I own several pairs of each, and agree with much of what was said but do think materials and fit are MUCH better with AE. B.S. Leather quality is just not on on the same level as AE - both my B.S. (monk and wholecuts) showed considerable creasing after just one wear - my two year old, ‘daily driver’ AE Tate wingtips look better. Creased up wholecuts just look terrible.
Also, for me, AEs listing of lasts and the variety of widths they offer allows a much better ability to get a perfect fit and, just as importantly I can order other styles in the same Last and be assured the same fit. B.S. just can’t provide that fit variety now. I can’t deny the low cost proposition of B.S. but I’m finding that I just don’t enjoy them as much as others in my collection so they tend not to get worn much...
Thanks for the comment, Barry. All valid points. AE's leather is higher quality. My B-S Durant Brogues & Dean Oxford haven't creased, but like you the monks (currently testing) creased considerably on first wear which is slightly disappointing. Agreed on the creased up wholecuts, not a good look. The variety of widths and lasts with AE is surely an advantage where B-S can't compete.
Got links for your shoe trees?
Here are the shoe trees I use.
Nordstrom Cedar Shoe Trees: rstyle.me/n/df2qyuccer7
Woodlore Shoe Trees: amzn.to/2IinoIB or amzn.to/2EcZVV6 (affiliate links)
What color and brand of shoe polish do you use for your BS Bordeaux shoes?
saphir has a bordeaux shoe polish which is probably what i'd use.
welt or a Blake stitch ?
it's blake stitched. you could also call it a blake welt
Im glad I asked ...thanks
I own 4 pair of AE and one pair of BS (double monks). The AEs were around $250 on sale and the BS were about 200. So in realistic terms the price is VERY similar.
I think the quality of the AE leather is superior to the BS. I do not think the quality of workmanship on the AEs was much superior. Again, I only have one pair of BS. I also have two pair of shoes from Herring which are made in England. The leather is a bit stiff and took a little longer to break in but I actually think they are better than AE or BS if you know your UK size. Some are available in a wide size (not all). I have a pair of black cap toes and a pair of wingtip in Walnut. Each was 257 US dollars and I am very happy with the quality.
I have the hoyt (in bordeaux) as well...when B-S shoes get down to $119-150, then it's a steal. $200 is basically retail for them. I agree with you, the AE leather is superior and doesn't crease nearly as much. in fact my AE shoes and boots have virtually no creases at all. haven't checked out Herring before, maybe I should.
edit: just checked out Herring...the shoes look really slick and high quality.
I have three pairs of AE, 5th Ave. Cap, Blk & Brown one Slit Toe...BS Cap toe Tan & Burgundy Db Monk and just ordered Tan Single Monk. Oh Got a Messenger Bag from BS as well. Good Quality.
dope! you're becoming a B-S fiend
Wrist watch check ?
Hamilton Khaki Field H69419363
Great review. You should do Ace Marks vs Allen Edmond vs Beckett Simonon
Good idea. How about AM vs BS? Thinking I'd leave AE out of it.
Can you review Santonis?
will keep that brand in mind!
Gentleman Within that’s awesome to hear. Also John lobb, Edward green, foster and son and gaziano and girling
Everyone talks about BS having really good discounts, will just say that AE is usually more expensive, though I’d say at some point throughout the year, they run massive discounts on their models, so if you’re patient, you may actually get a cheaper shoe from AE than the standard 20% off at BS
Got two pairs of AEs, Park Ave and Fifth Ave. Not a big deal but there are loose threads on them. I expected better. Luckily didn't pay full price.
Cool. Never pay full price for AE.
The Strand is quite a unique design. The look is in between a semi brogue and full brogue. It also has a ‘heaviness’ somewhat reminiscent of English country styling. A great casual shoe but for an office brogue I would opt for a sleeker last, narrower broguing (and less of it) in the Adelaide style. I personally think the Adelaide is the most formal looking semi brogue.
Nice assessment. I agree that the Adelaide is a sleeker silhouette than the strand. AE has always been more classic and less trendy.
First let me say that Allen Edmonds are a great quality shoe but they are old school as far as style goes. For me Magnanni or Too Boot New York have a 2019 fresh style that anyone under the age of 40 should consider..
Agyree, although I wouldn't say old school, perhaps classic, yet still modern. What are your thoughts on the style of a Paul Evans?
@@gentwithin Paul Evans are the shoes that all of us stylish men strive for but unfortunately the price point has lead me down to the 2nd tier of great looking stylish shoes AKA Magnanni/Too Boot New York. But when I hit the lottery you bet your bottom dollar my shoe rack will have many pairs of Paul Evans. LOL
There's a lot of hate on Paul Evans though, mostly that they're not worth the premium price point. They do look sleek 'n sexy though.
Wow i am new to quality shoes and those brands blew me away i like the different styles. Any other brands you recommend. thanks again
I would consider Allen Edmonds as a middle tier shoe and beckett as an entry level shoe
Where'd you get that sweater?
H&M many seasons ago
1) Try before you buy. A/E wins with many places to try them on. 2) Do you fly with dress shoes on ? A/E wins the with metal detector because they have no metal shank
good points
Add- AE is starting to offer additional custom options from two tone leather combos, weatherproof leather, and different sole types. But honestly if you want a better value - TLB Mallorca
Blake stitched shoes are much less expensive to make and they do not hold up anywhere near as long as 360 degree Goodyear welt. I’ll go with AE every time. I have had both AE and Alden shoes for over forty years and both are very high quality and do last decades. Go with AE or Alden and you will never be disappointed.
Not necessarily, there are Blake stitched shoes that are more expensive than GYW. And while generally GYW is more highly regarded in terms of quality, I wouldn't say that Blake doesn't hold up anywhere near. Blake stitched shoes can last for decades too.
Gentleman Within Blake stitched shoes, in my case, have not held up as well as GYW shoes. Further, when I took them in for repair the cobbler indicated that they aren’t worth repairing for the cost of fixing them. These were designer shoes and didn’t hold up worth a shit. Sorry, but that is my experience.
The Beckett Simonon Yates has is like the Durant but full brogue.
Nice, I haven't tried the Yates yet. I have. a pair?
Allen Edmonds is in Port Washington Wisconsin. Not Newport
I have 10 pairs of Edmonds and love everyone of them. I finally bit the bullet and bought one pair of Beckett simonon and waited 3 months or more for them.I order them right before the pandemic yet so I had to wait a couple more months. And after I waited all that time for them they sent me a half size too big. I ordered 10 mediums and they sent 10 1/2 and this was one instance where the way they make those shoes they were too big. I wasn't impressed with the feel of them quite honestly. They feel unusually heavy to me I'll stick with the Allen Edmonds.
fair enough
I wear a size 18 so I’m always interested in quality
Whoa, size 18. must be really difficult finding shoes that aren't custom made!
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA JUST HOW.
Whoa. Are you 8 ft tall?!
well Shaq's a 22
stricht8 lol. Not 8ft tall. And not as tall as you would think. I’m 6’5
Very Informative
glad u found it informative
I've been keeping my eye on Beckett Simonon but my AE run at 3e width, which isnt a width size supported by BS: otherwise, I would certainly invest in a pair of BS shoes.
Yes, that does make it a tough buy!
Another epic video! I voted for dark brown ones in your insta
Thanks my man!! Always coming thru.
Gentleman Within,
No, Thank you!🔥👊
I always go for AE ..... because they make (wides) men's sizes........
yes, that's super important for some men!
AE is the Michael Jackson of shoes, in terms of popularity, and should just be out in a league of their own instead of in comparisons. They are the number one business Shoe and if you get into their variations you really need no other kind of shoe especially if you are using the shoes for that intended purpose . Many would perceive that they have been in business for a long time, but the sartorial knows that they have been refining their image for a long time. so for some new shit on the block to come up and think that they could stand next to them? That no go so
I've got a couple pairs if Allen Edmonds and one pair of Beckette Simonon. So far the AE leather appears softer, more comfortable, and is holding up better. Beckett is a slightly more sleek and fashionable shoe. I'd give the edge to AE in terms of long term value. Just my two cents based on a not whole lot of experience.
Thanks for sharing your experience with both brands. I find the Becketts, particularly the Durants to have softer leather than both the Strand and Fifth Ave, but it seems the AE's are proving to be more durable long term. I've got to give my Becketts more wear, especially the Dean in black. It's all brown in town over here...
Becket Simonon is a
Discent low profile flip flop shoe as it is
Not good year welted and is dangerous
Wearing it as it rains😅😮😊
I got my AE for $75 shipped!
whoa..great deal!
I'm new to your channel. Great video, great style, great review. I think I'll stick around ✌🏾
hey Ellijiah, thanks for watching. look forward to seeing you in the comments!
I like that blue suit
Three months?!?!?
yea, it's quite a wait
Excellent review!!!!
Thanks for watching! new to the channel?
Would love to buy BS shoes but I am a EE width.
damn
Good video but I think Thursday Shoes and Meermin are a bit better than Beckett Simonon.
haven't tried meermin or Thursday shoes yet, but have heard some good things about em
In my experience, Meermin are extremely hard and uncomfortable. I have had them for over 3 months, and they still have not molded to my feet. Very nice looking shoes, though.
Wonderful review!
Thank you!
AE is a great shoe. Stylewise a bit more conservative.
BS is a great shoe. Stylewise a bit more sporty.
Edge...BS
have you tried both?
@@gentwithin
Yes. AE has a store near me. Have three pairs, captoe Oxford phase. Tan, Black, Burgundy. Wear them with everything even shorts on one occasion. Wife surprised me a pair of oak colored Hoyt Monkstraps by BS been hooked ever since. Valencia wholecuts have become go too shoe. Got the Bernard Tassel and waiting on suede brown Bolton Chelsea.
Great review!
Thanks Tony!
I think AE is in Port Washington, WI.
Minuto 5.35 dice echo con cuero argentino bekett simon
yes, handmade with Argentinian full grain leather.
Gracias por el ❤
Hahaha, you can't tell the difference between the leather in the BS and AE?! Are you serious? Wear the BS a few times and you'll see. Much cheaper leather than AE..and I'm not really an AE fan either.
cool
Allen Edmonds produces narrow widths..Beckett does not. That makes Allen Edmonds my only choice!
they have 10 different widths actually, quite impressive
The shape of the BS is way more elegant than AE. Look at how the laces open up as they go from the capote to the higher part, absolutely not classy and quite informal for an Oxford shoe. BS closes much better. As well if you look from the above the shape of o e BS front is much more rounded and contoured compared to the AE that to my eyes look quite straight and there is very little curves that make the foot more harmonious.
To me BS win in the shape department.
thanks 4 sharing
BS doesn’t use cork midsoles. It’s all leather.
you're right. I reached out to them and they confirmed. that's good to know. They did use cork at one point hence the misinformation. instead their midsole is full veg tanned leather.
Yup exactly what I was thinking
Oxfords not brogues
heh, great movies
Who is here because of The Kingsmen?
What a great video!
Thanks Estavan! New to the channel?
Yes I am, I’m really enjoying your videos!
USA
What about the USA?
Nice
Very nice
Port Washington, Wisconsin. Not Newport.
Yep, I misspoke. Find it interesting when people point out the littlest thing in a video that's chockfull of information.
@@gentwithin I'm from Wisconsin originally and used to live in Port Washington when I was little. It's more just a point of local pride (e.g. imagine if you were reviewing a craft beer from a small town in New Jersey but said it was from Brooklyn)
fair enough!
Nice shoes, but it wouldn't hurt if you'd have a pause in your speech every now and then.
i edit videos so that there are no pauses to keep the video streamlined and as short as it can be. does it bother you that there are no pauses in speech? thanks for the feedback.
For me, I like if the speech has a rhythm and pauses. You do have a good vibe in your videos, keep’em coming. Cheers.
@@juha-pekkahuikuri8752 appreciate the feedback. cheers
@@gentwithin , I agree that a few more pauses to allow the thought process to work while you speak would help. I know you're putting out a ton of info, but the pauses help. Thanks
@@rameylewis7730 appreciate the feedback. it's something I've got to work on
The problem: they only offer an average D width. That’s not, to me, a full service shoe company.
they're still early on, building out their collections. it takes a lot of resources to be able to provide multiple widths
Your shoes does not fit your size by a lot.
what do you mean?
no contest.
i see
It's Port Washington, not Newport.
yep, i misspoke
I am very concerned with reports from the new A&E. It would be a travesty if A&E went down hill.
hope not. i'm rooting for 'em
You looks so young, baby face. Anyway, you agfed well. Enjoy that.
thanks!
Please it’s pronounced Bo-go-taaaa
haha, yup
AE the best of
AE's tried and true
You have huge v gaps showing with them on
Let me ask a question, why on earth would any man where Allen Edmonds with ankle hugging pants, they do a serious disservice to those great shoes. My goodness I cant wait for that style to fade away. Disgraceful.
There are so many things that are disgraceful in this world. Interesting you chose no break trousers to say so. If anything it's giving the shoes all the spotlight.
@@gentwithin I used to have tapered polo chinos, I have no problem with a tapered leg, but the pants in this video were just ridiculous, I flat out hate that style, and a great pair of shoes, will demand the spotlight, you dont have to get all feminine with close fitting pants. It seems like they have on their little brothers close. Hate that style, I guess you see that.
@@ericday4505 clothes
Allen edmonds is a crapy brand with so many defects and flaws no other brand has second the quality it's not the same since they sold the company
not so sure about crappy brand..if they were they wouldn't be as successful as they are
I had originally liked the video but I couldn’t get past your horrible mispronunciation of a major city in our hemisphere. The emphasis, FYI, is on the last syllable.
Yes, call me petty.
dude you are petty as fuck
these fashion clothing fanatics bandy around the term gentleman like it means nothing. A gentleman is not someone who is simply polite, or well dressed which is very subjective. Gentleman is a social rank that very few men possess. It cannot be attaineed by dressing like your social betters. that is usually a habit of snobs who try to emulate the behaviors of the nobility while looking down on people of their own social class
What is your point exactly, Albert? www.gentlemanwithin.com/manifesto/
That unsightly creasing is owed to...surprise, surprise...inferior leather.
sup captain obvious
Who the F waits 3 months for shoes ?
delayed gratification my friend
Allen edmonds is crap when it comes to style Italian shoes anytime
not sure i'd call 'em crap
@@gentwithin Can you tell me another brand that makes shoes with so many defects and flaws and prove me wrong thank you
Both shoes are nothing special. Rather cheap compared to European made shoes.
Depends on the shoes and price point. There are better American options too.
@@gentwithin There is a recent Allen Edmonds Ad stating The Park Ave Shoes are made by the best shoemakers in the world. I called them and asked then about this claim. They said The President's of The United States have worn them and they have a goodyear welt. I said that has that got to do with my question?
I think every brand thinks their brand is the best in the world.
Do you buy your shoes or do shoe companies sometime offer you free samples to review on your channel? Either way very informative. I love the passion for dress shoes trending these days among young millennials. Bring back elegant style!
Thanks man. It's a mix of both. I still buy my own shoes, and I have brands offering to send free shoes, clothing, watches, etc...all the time. Most don't get featured on the channel.
@@gentwithin Holy cow! That is so awesome! What an honor it would be to be offered products to review. I LOVE ALLEN EDMONDS.
American Heritage is a winner for me. However, If I didn't care about that I wouldn't mind buying a pair of B.S.
Yeah, American pride. Always good to support homemade brands and companies.