Ping i500 Iron VS TaylorMade P790 Iron - Hollow Iron Battle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Ping i500 iron against the TaylorMade P790 Iron, two hollow headed irons both forged going head to head using launch monitor data to look at ball data, distance etc. Also my personal feedback on the looks and feel between the two irons.
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I just tested P790 vs AP3 vs i500. I went with the i500. The near zero offset + distance + fabulous looks was the decider. It was very close though.
Two great sets of clubs tried them both went with the i500 sound clunky but performance is fantastic love your review on them thanks Michael thanks 👏👏👏
Thanks Michael, good information ... I've decided to go with the P70 just picked them up and they do feel fantastic cant wait to get them to the course this coming weekend.
I'm thinking of ordering a P790 7 iron to see how i like the forged style , I've never owned or hit a forged club , been playing over thirty years and just love this game , I'm around a 15 handy cap, thanks for the video .
Would love to see this exact same review head to head 2021 p790 vs i525 Great content all the way around! Thank you Sir
Thanks Michael.....just bought a secondhand set of p790....quite an improvement to my golf game n struggle a bit with my new distances
i500 ... no doubt
Looks like you hit the ping club better to me. You almost holed two out of three shots. I like both clubs but the ping club is “stunning” as Michael likes to say. I’m ready for an upgrade!
A really great comparison would be with the i500 vs T-MB irons. They are very much the same....ie head of 17-4 stainless steel in cast bodies, hollow front cavities with thin hardened steel faces. The P790 has a 8620 cast head and the front cavity is filled unlike the i500.
The ping looks better, less offfset and thinner top and bottom edge. however the higher lofted option retro spec would result in higher spin numbers and would address the distance issue.
k Nyagumbo but it would go much higher due to the angle which is not good. Traditional lofts and hollow head is a disaster waiting to happen especially in the wind, that's why they are all made as distance irons...
I got the i500's because they look awesome. That's just how I roll.
thank you sir 4 the video,,you are so good for the description,i reely love when you make a battle iron,,now i feel i must change my P790 for a I 500 ,sad story 4 me
Jo, why? No need to do that. You want to take it to the next level, look at other clubs that are out there. It just might shock you.....
Love the look of the i500 but would love to see spin/distance etc numbers on the Retro versions. Bet that would be closer to what I’m looking for
same here! ;)
It’s an interesting paradox. Players that are good enough to play small, little offset, thin top line clubs are not looking for super strong lofts or longer shots. They already hit their irons plenty far. For players that need help, these irons will be too small of profile, top line and offset to be forgiving enough to hit consistently. The P790 is great technology but played by very few exceptional golfers. The I500 will end up being a driving iron for better players just like the p790. If you’re and average player, you can get a great set of “helping” irons for half the price of both of these clubs.
Well done Michael, nice comparison, big difference in those spin models, I also noticed ping did not put any tungsten in the long irons like Taylormade did, maybe that contributed to the better dispersion. Keep up the good work 🏌️
Great vid Mike. Let's see the Gen 2 0311s vs the i500s?
The Ping and the Taylormade are almost exactly the same in how they are made, cast body, Forged face. Only thing different is one has foam packed inside. I have hit both, great clubs but the Ping is way more consistent on hits. Both have one huge negative, Expensive!!!
Great review! I guess the perfect iron is yet to be designed...lol. I’ve hit both and neither iron has great feel. PXG has better feel than both these irons, but the PXG players iron is shorter and the XF and SGI have too much offset and are too big...sigh.
thanks for a good review p790 for me
Rollout factor difference is huge! Forging takes time, those Pings look Cast.
Cast body, forged face
Would be nice to numbers vs 718 AP1. Thanks for the vids!
Thanks 🙏🏻
I wonder what the purpose of the grub screw on The ping is seen as it's left hollow . I'm assuming that taylormade use of it is for the foam they fill it with
Swing weighting
Thanks Michael another great review for a 11 handicap golfer that wants to move up from the cavity back club and is used to the offset. How would you rank the P790’s, i500, Ap3, in the least drastic move up.
All very good, test them all for sure!
Ed Mc I'd go Ping I500. Best on the looks (for me), plenty height, forgiveness and less spin which gives you great distance. But go for a fitting before buying.
What clubs do you have at the moment? I hit the i500s yesterday and I really wasn't sure about the feel. Felt very tinny to me. Best thing you can do is test them yourself tho
Thanks for an interesting H2H Mike, I just watched another channel with the same comparison (SAS) and he had the Spin the other way round. There they had the i500 Spinning an extra 1k to the TM, so I`m a little confused? Either way I think that the TM looks good, but the i500 looks STUNNING! That said I saw a set of the new P790`s in Black, WOW they are AWESOME (I had a bump in my pants and at my age that doesn't happen very often)!!!!!!!!!!
Which 790. Gen 1 or Tungsten? Will look, good pick up, BB.
The shaft details would always be interesting for each club in the test.
Michael, Did Ping fit you with a particular swing weight or did you get the default head? If it was the default head, could you tell a difference in swing weight between the two? Which was heavier? I need a light head and when I tried the P790 it felt head heavy to me.
George Smith a good club fitter can make you the club with whatever Swing Weight you want.
I require a light graphite shaft and dont want weight added to it or to the handle so the only way I can get lower swing weight is by starting with the lightest head possible. That is why I asked about the weight of the head. Ive been told by Taylormade that the P790 heads dont have removable weights so they cannot be made any lighter than what I tried at a retailer. If the i500 heads start out at the same weight then I'll have to look elsewhere.
TM use lighter heads when shaft length goes longer i.e. +1/2"
Pretty sure Ping use same weight head and then at the end of the production line use different weighted badges to get desired swing weight. Not sure how they would do this with the G700 and i500 as no badges on these, maybe they change the screw in the toe to different weights to get desired swing weight.
Have you watch my PING Factory Tour video, shows the irons going along the production line
I just feel like these irons are meant for different people. I500 more forgiving looks bigger I feel more forgiveness and distance. When p790 is more players iron where u can shape the ball more and thinner top edge. I feel like the i500 would compare better to M3 maybe just becuase it’s a much bigger head with a bigger top edge and offset
Actually the i500 has a thinner top line, sir. You want to shape a ball, learn to hit a true forged blade. You will never look back:) With that said, I can move a P790 right to left and left to right, but it's harder for me. Great club and the feel of the P790 is good, not great IMHO as I prefer something a little different. However, I would throw in the P790 UDI in my bag any day of week though. I haven't hit the i500--I will soon. Nothing beats the feel of a true forged blade IMHO......
The i500 are smaller all round to the p790 thinner top line less offset and a smaller head
Michael, I've got a shot at a great, low priced set of 718 T-MBs. I haven't pulled the trigger, because I was waiting for the new Pings. I have also hit the P790. I'm a 7HC, 60 years old... decent ball striker. I'm not asking you for anything other than your opinion... I will see a fitter. But all things equal, which set do you prefer and why?
To be honest I’ve not tested the T-MB’s in 7 iron, only hit the 2 iron so can’t really comment, sorry.
Im currently using the Nike vapor fly irons and Im wondering if I should change them to a newer set of irons. With a handicap of 24, what kind of irons should I consider? I love the looks of p790 and the Ping i500. What do you reckon?
With a 24 handicap, PING Rapture V2's would be something to look into. They're fairly cheap now and I've hit mine since they were new and nothing and I mean NOTHING is easier to hit and are more forgiving. S.S. body, titanium face with a giant hunk of tungsten on the toe/sole...sweeter than YOOHOO. They might look unusual, but just hit one. But don't get the SW or any club lower. They suck for chipping...full swing only.
If you unscrew the screw on the i500 you can see that they are filled with some kind of glue or something. Good to know if somebody wants to do a PVD finish.
hot melt for swing weighting the irons
Spray some foam in there...might improve the sound....lol...no seriously
Your missing the pxg 0311
Recommend cleaning the grooves.
It’s was slight moisture that I wiped which darken the metal, not dirt!
Are the shaft type, weight and flex same on both irons?
Great review! What would you think about making a combo set out of the g700 and i500. I don’t mind offset in the long irons but like more compact in the shorter clubs
Could be a good option, I’ll do a comparison video between the two.
Sorry, just re read this, I wouldn’t personally mix two different brands in one set.
Think if someone struggles with inconsistent long irons shots mixing i500 and G700s might not be a bad idea, With the g700s being very forgiving and more offset.
just ordered a set of i500 3-PW to replace my set of p790
URAvgGuy I wouldn't mind being a pound behind you!
Why?
Are they the same made of shaft?
This really looks like rick and petes Quest Golf Academy before the redesign
How do these feel compared to the iblades? I have them and I think although not mizuno forged feeling, they feel exceptional due to the elastomer insert especially when middled.
iBlade feel softer
Michael Newton Golf Thanks mate. I love my iblades! So consistent and no 400 yard, 90° descent angle 7 iron shots with them! 😂
Great review as always. I'm confused with this 'forged' name. I use a forged club as it's made from one block of metal and the bubbles are less giving a softer and more reliable distance/strike. So, how can these hollow clubs be truly forged??? Is it yet another con from manufacturers? Keep up the great work.
Only the face in forged and it is then plasma welded to a cast body. But you need to be careful because forging in itself does not produce a softer feel. The softness comes from the particular grade of carbon steel used, in the i500 Ping are using a much harder steel (which is able to produce a "spring" effect). Also to be strictly accurate, what we interpret as "Soft feel" is actually the acoustics, a soft carbon steel (which has been forged and tempered) will resonate at a much lower frequency than a harder cast steel. It is this sound that we "feel".
Bandit Baker interesting. But any 'spring' effect can only be within the allowance, so does it truly exist?
Indeed the coefficient of restitution has to conform to the USGA & R&A design criteria. But to answer your question, yes the trampoline effect does exist. When combined with the hollow head designs (filled or unfilled) it produces a higher launch and reduces spin, which combine to produce a "hotter face". In effect they are turning Irons into mini-drivers.
I'm not being funny Micheal but when you showed the face of the i500 it was full of mud, did you clean the face before hitting cos that could bring the spin down and distance up a fair bit, or are the pings just lower spinning, cheers Keith
Hi Keith. It wasn’t mud, just cleaned the face and it was slightly damp in the grooves which made the metal darken slightly. Must admit, it does look like mud.
Michael Newton Golf. Ok thanks Micheal then the i500 really does have a lack of spin, to the point you would have little control
That’s why it’s a power iron. The i210 is a higher spinning iron for the player who wants more control.
Keith Newton I saw another review that Gabe different reads on the sound ratio especially when it came to the PW. The other reviews I’ve seen all leaned toward the i500.
Martin Orozco thanks for that info
Is the Ping i500 or i210 more “forgiving”?
i500 mate......
Don't know where this 'forged' label comes from because neither feel like a forged club. They hit well and are accurate but feel like a clunky game improvement iron.
Woops P790 :)
£1000 for the Ping that’s a lot considering only face is forged
Sounds like he had his mind made up from the beginning...lol
Michael, what are your feelings about both of these clubs while playing in higher wind scenarios? I am looking seriously at both of these clubs, but they both concern me with controlling distance when hitting knockdown shots into the wind. Example, my course’s 12th hole is a par3 that normally plays to my 6 or 7 iron purely by distance. However, into a 15-25 mph wind, I will typically club up by 2 and hit a 3/4 swing shot which is usually right on the money distance-wise and still has enough spin to hop and sit without running off the back of the green. Are these clubs capable of playing these types of shots???
What irons you playing currently Todd?
Michael Newton Golf Mizzy MP53’s with DGs300’s swingweight MOI’d (4i has 1” lead tape, 5i has 2”, etc). Hdcp 6-7. Former HS and college player, but 60+ hr/wk job plus wife and kiddo. Looking for players irons with as much forgiveness and least offset as possible. Oklahoma winds are crazy & routinely 15-25.
DG's are pretty heavy and low launching, maybe try in something slightly lighter in weight which might help get the spin up a bit if your concerned about it being too low.
Michael Newton Golf I’m actually worried about ball flight being too high for full shots into the wind and spin being too low for shots flighted down into the wind, if that makes sense. I’m playing with nearly 10 yr old irons and woods so the new tech and how it performs in varying wind conditions is somewhat a bit puzzling for me. As a teaching pro, where do you draw the line in terms of teaching full shots into the wind vs the more traditional knockdowns?
People don't get fooled... Go and buy a recent set of blades. Will transform your game. Wouldn't swap my mp5's for anything.
To a large degree I couldn't agree more and it's hard to argue your logic regarding forged blades---it's the best IMHO. However, for a middle-high handicapper or someone who is no more than a weekend golfer, every now and then of course, P790's or i500's will suit them just fine. For me, it would be a teaser club starting out, and then I would be itching to make a swift switch into a set of forged blades......:)
The grooves look a bit dirty.
Just cleaned them, slight damp in grooves that’s darkened the metal
I hope you could talk less mate. You are not Sarah Brightman. A concise summary would do. Shall watch more
No one needs to is you hit a bunch of shots. Just get to the end and show us the results.
So many asks for shots
Yes but not a bunch. One or two is all we need.
The format os fine I like it as it is