As a PJ Finn Enthusiast (Finn main), I honestly wish they just changed his aerial down special to just give the apples like it did before, being able to hold 2 at most on a cooldown. It would’ve given him so many more approach options and way to deal with so many situations he just sucks against
I love the hitbox comment on Harley's mallet, specially since today I've had that very attack fully clip an enemy and do nothing. Idk what's happening with this game and hitboxes bro, but it's crazy.
Yeah that’s probably just the online fucking up Fighting babes really need as few failure points as possible and online needs at least 2 more commonly 3 just to connect
I think what's happening is that since the the move takes multiple frames, it might look like it passed through someone when, in reality, they just moved to the path the hammer already passed.
I was in a fight with Jake the dog today, and dude could be right next to Harley and her hits would move right through him half the time, it was so annoying
bro harleys mallet does nothing?? when i play against her the hammer and bat have a hitbox of a double decker bus, i can be nowhere near her behind and be hit still
something else for marvin, if your opponent dodges your projectiles, and you use his neutral special to try to hit them again, it will just phase through them there should be a buff where his neutral special resets dodged projectiles so they can come in contact and just not phase through people
13:19 Harley got shadow nerfed or something so alot of her combos became inconsistent they undid it but that combo still won't work cuz of the recent nerfs and some of the stuff they left through the shadow nerf. She is still really good but i dont think shes top 3
I think Marvin definitely is a character that rewards devotion. He’s a nuanced assassin, so I feel like he’s just gonna be a perma-niche character; like Meepo in dota 2. He’s just so different that people will only get a lot out of Meepo by being a Meepo main, not a mid main. If you want to play Meepo, you have to devote yourself to Meepo because his skills are non-transferable. Iirc, I’ve seen a couple non-official tournaments where he’s won against characters he should be pretty poor against like Wonder Woman. He could probably do with some buffs, but I still think he’s pretty good and much better than people give him credit for. It’s just that he’s playing such a different game than the rest of the cast it can be hard to recognize his strengths in sight of his obvious weaknesses. I think that, for most of the cast, he’s pretty good. But compared to top tiers he falls off. The thing is, he’s SUPPOSED to be a character that has obscenely powerful tools, but has a poor neutral game and long cooldowns on those to compensate. However, when compared to other assassins and the other top tiers, he’s actually worse at killing people than them for some reason. IMO, Marvin’s problems aren’t a Marvin problem exactly. It’s a shaggy casually killing you at 60% while having a good projectile and powerful normals and not even being that light. And a Wonder Woman simply walking through all your attacks and then mauling you to death problem. They let those characters reign supreme because they’re your standard platform fighters with a fundamental base. Marvin has weird tools that are potentially are really scary, and has a lot of projectiles which they clearly hate. They clearly tried to reign Marvin in to keep him honest, but not other characters at all. What’s the point of a “pay-off” assassin if his pay-off is worse than other heroes with less extreme kits? His tools are straight up oppressive. Flag, missiles, bubble, and his gravity manipulator are tools other characters wish they had. His ability to control space by trapping a projectile in the bubble and using the button to keep it with him as he moves around can make it really tough to jump him as you’re just gonna run into the bubble. Bubbles cooldown is low and it’s a great neutral tool, and with the right setups he can be straight up terrifying.
You’re a very underrated TH-camr. When I checked your subscriber count I guessed you would’ve had 100k+ subs because of the quality put into this video it was very good indeed. I just wanted to say that this video was very good and made me wanna get back into multiverses and main Marvin. Keep it up I don’t want you to quit. Never back down and never give up. 👍🙏👍
Awesome vid man, really intresting and informative as well as being kinds funny Ngl when u talked about Finn buying first thing i thought of was Shovel Knight in Rivals 1 lol Also thumbnail looks fire!
I know im late but Harley actually 4 projectiles. Her side special is a projectile and her dair is one as well although they don't have the 5 hit ignite feature the other 2 do.
You’re crazy with your stripe take bro, stripe is definitely broken and I’ve gotten some crazy kills wit him just don’t think u played him enough or sum bro
As a stripe main I gotta say his gun should have more kill power if they won't give it damage course he just needs some hitbox fixes like even his chainsaw has a shit hitbox legit making him more solid wouldn't break the balance.
Marvin is too honest of a character in a game that’s inherently dishonest. Best way I can put it. People like shaggy have arguably better kill power + more weight and a projectile as an example
As an Arya player and a Harley player , I loved this video on how the other three are inferior🙏(I’m joking except for stripe , I have beef with yall stripe players)
Fin objectively, but I just want to complain about all the delays to Harley's attacks, like side special, you can hit her at any point upon activating it, even if you have the dodge ability attached to it, and then she hangs in the air before firing, and once fires it has extremely limited range, the only way it actually hits anyone is if the other guy isn't paying attention or gets trapped in a combo. This makes it useless as an attack, and for traversal, because you can't cancel out so you're stuck there until she shoots, and people will hit you. Then you get her down attack, which can be great, but she has a 3 second charge period that other characters can activate their attack during and out pace you. Dash attack has an even larger build up that literally every other fighter can out pace and charge you after you've already started. She's not a bad fighter, but outside of her up speacil most of her attacks do very little damage, so you're basically running around the map trying to get them to stop dodging long enough for you to pull them into a combo and hit them with the bat.
Great objective video. I was not expecting Arya to be that high. Guess I haven't played enough Aryas. Harley on the other hand... it was therapeutic to see you lay out all the facts about her unfair moveset. The only character I truly despise fighting in the game. WW and Batman are pretty bad but Harley is disgustingly easy and rewarding for little effort. I wasn't expecting Spike to be the worst. It was nice seeing you present Marvin as a whole. That down air into neutral special combo was sick. I need to practice that one since he's my main.
What about Stripes Defensive game if he cant approach well? What about his role in 2v2s since those are often more chaotic and how he would theoretically take advantage off of it?
It seems like stripes retreating fair and down tilt are his good options for walling out people, with up tilt being an anti air. Apart from that, I’m not seeing how stripe’s defensive play would help much, especially when there’s no innate armor breaking move (unlike Marvin who can spam down tilt for spacing) As for 2v2’s, didn’t consider how he’d play there, but as a whole the tier list would probably be wildly different
Best is def stripe with his anti projectile. And his huge mobility. So clearly you didn't really play stripe, any assassin can't kill you with one move. Stripe has a kill move that kills 100%, his up tilt. Could kill at 70, if someone DI, you can reverse it. If someone goes up, you can jump up air and kill him. Beside, you don't have to eat your bomb you can have the timming to hit an enemy, then your bomb explode, leading to some kills at 40 or less. He is one with the best recovery on the game and best part is you can't even stop his recovery with a projectile, his up special deny projectiles and taking his perk with the bomb definitly shows that you didn't understand stripes, you will NEVER hit the ground, never, you want different angles, but even if you hit the ground, you want to hit again with your launch to setup an air attack. And on the most part, stripe is still usefull with huge bar, cause his lauch speed is equal to his damage bar ( using down special), meaning , you can hit someone from far in the air and even leading to a kill... I don't know how you qualify "assissin", but assassin is a type of character with a huge move speed and who can move from a part of the map to another in less time than others. If you play an assassin a mage way or a tank way, sure you are bad.
Wonderful video man. As another small creator, you got potential. And if you need help on a tank video, hit me up. I'm one of the best Iron Giant players post nerf. And, I'd love to make art for your channel!
@@marcoantoniosanchezperez851 he’s still garbage. At least they realized he isn’t an assassin since OTHER MAGES kill easier and have better combos than him. Genuinely think he’s bottom 2 after this patch, right next to either Velma or jake
YOU THINK HARLEY IS THE BEST ONE!?!? Just kidding, I can Handle your opinion she is just ANNOYING to fight In my opinion, Marvin the Martian is the best one
@@NotxalkBN It's just a fictional brand used by cartoons from the Looney Tunes franchise. Like every trap the coyote used to try to cath the roadrunner.
This video sucks ngl
Is that why it’s 7k views 😭
@@TheovatesFr
Bro
Why tf is Marvin an assassin he gives of mage vibes
Makes general are good at space control and managing the game, Marvin doesn't do that though, dude just hits you a bunch until you're dead
Maybe he's more of an assassin in double matches
@@Bryghtt make sense but still when you look at this character he gives off mage vibes.his kit look likes it supposed to be a mages kit
@@G_yeezy that's what I thought too, but if you look at it closer, it sucks at range, hes way better at least at midrange
When I played him in the free rotation I originally thought he was a mage until I read his tags
Bro sick thumbnail i love it
Aye thanks! Took a whole day to make 😅
“ I did not make the name I just play the game. “
That’s now a quote for gamers.
TH-cam won’t let me upload at 1080p cuz I’m a “new channel” (they hate me)
R.I.P
spike isnt that bad tho,he may be tge worst assasin but he is a good character
@@sam-s6o Tbh he might not be the worst assassin
@@Theovates i can cook with him
As a PJ Finn Enthusiast (Finn main), I honestly wish they just changed his aerial down special to just give the apples like it did before, being able to hold 2 at most on a cooldown. It would’ve given him so many more approach options and way to deal with so many situations he just sucks against
I love the hitbox comment on Harley's mallet, specially since today I've had that very attack fully clip an enemy and do nothing. Idk what's happening with this game and hitboxes bro, but it's crazy.
Yeah that’s probably just the online fucking up
Fighting babes really need as few failure points as possible and online needs at least 2 more commonly 3 just to connect
I think what's happening is that since the the move takes multiple frames, it might look like it passed through someone when, in reality, they just moved to the path the hammer already passed.
I was in a fight with Jake the dog today, and dude could be right next to Harley and her hits would move right through him half the time, it was so annoying
bro harleys mallet does nothing?? when i play against her the hammer and bat have a hitbox of a double decker bus, i can be nowhere near her behind and be hit still
@@timurtheking I've literally seen them move right through people
Yea I guess I should have known it was harley.
the amount of tom foolery I see consistently from harley mains is astonishing
BUFF MARVIN 🗣
REAL 🗣️🗣️
Nah
All he does is spam if if you useing iron giant or Jason bros in a domain he anit missing
@@Fearedits-q8cwatch my Marvin vid he’s not a spammer his range isn’t that good
He can hit from across a map with rocket up cam hit yiu from a good part juggle
something else for marvin, if your opponent dodges your projectiles, and you use his neutral special to try to hit them again, it will just phase through them
there should be a buff where his neutral special resets dodged projectiles so they can come in contact and just not phase through people
I think that’s a glitch with some projectiles in general. It happens with Velma word bubbles to and the moves I’ve seen it happen way to much lol
@@malikperez66 oh yeah that happens too
very frustrating
Great video, love the editing and explanation, you’re underrated!
Marvin is the most fun to swag with, easy answer
I'm glad Marvin is replacing the goat in the thumbnail I wouldn't want it any other way 😁
Cooldown prisoner is real, balancing a game by punishing you for doing cool shit is TERRIBLE balancing for the long run
13:19 Harley got shadow nerfed or something so alot of her combos became inconsistent they undid it but that combo still won't work cuz of the recent nerfs and some of the stuff they left through the shadow nerf. She is still really good but i dont think shes top 3
I think Marvin definitely is a character that rewards devotion. He’s a nuanced assassin, so I feel like he’s just gonna be a perma-niche character; like Meepo in dota 2. He’s just so different that people will only get a lot out of Meepo by being a Meepo main, not a mid main. If you want to play Meepo, you have to devote yourself to Meepo because his skills are non-transferable. Iirc, I’ve seen a couple non-official tournaments where he’s won against characters he should be pretty poor against like Wonder Woman. He could probably do with some buffs, but I still think he’s pretty good and much better than people give him credit for. It’s just that he’s playing such a different game than the rest of the cast it can be hard to recognize his strengths in sight of his obvious weaknesses. I think that, for most of the cast, he’s pretty good. But compared to top tiers he falls off. The thing is, he’s SUPPOSED to be a character that has obscenely powerful tools, but has a poor neutral game and long cooldowns on those to compensate. However, when compared to other assassins and the other top tiers, he’s actually worse at killing people than them for some reason. IMO, Marvin’s problems aren’t a Marvin problem exactly. It’s a shaggy casually killing you at 60% while having a good projectile and powerful normals and not even being that light. And a Wonder Woman simply walking through all your attacks and then mauling you to death problem. They let those characters reign supreme because they’re your standard platform fighters with a fundamental base. Marvin has weird tools that are potentially are really scary, and has a lot of projectiles which they clearly hate. They clearly tried to reign Marvin in to keep him honest, but not other characters at all. What’s the point of a “pay-off” assassin if his pay-off is worse than other heroes with less extreme kits? His tools are straight up oppressive. Flag, missiles, bubble, and his gravity manipulator are tools other characters wish they had. His ability to control space by trapping a projectile in the bubble and using the button to keep it with him as he moves around can make it really tough to jump him as you’re just gonna run into the bubble. Bubbles cooldown is low and it’s a great neutral tool, and with the right setups he can be straight up terrifying.
I aint reading allat💀🙏
You’re a very underrated TH-camr. When I checked your subscriber count I guessed you would’ve had 100k+ subs because of the quality put into this video it was very good indeed. I just wanted to say that this video was very good and made me wanna get back into multiverses and main Marvin. Keep it up I don’t want you to quit. Never back down and never give up. 👍🙏👍
Lets be honet 3 best assasins
1. Harley quenn
2.arya
3.marvin
Awesome vid man, really intresting and informative as well as being kinds funny
Ngl when u talked about Finn buying first thing i thought of was Shovel Knight in Rivals 1 lol
Also thumbnail looks fire!
I know im late but Harley actually 4 projectiles. Her side special is a projectile and her dair is one as well although they don't have the 5 hit ignite feature the other 2 do.
PFG: Takes away Finn's gem
Me: *Look how they massacred my boi*
Void makes stripe look like top 5
I love how you describe stripes then describing another way marvin when they have the same problems....
You’re crazy with your stripe take bro, stripe is definitely broken and I’ve gotten some crazy kills wit him just don’t think u played him enough or sum bro
You also forgot to add on Marvin's down attack it also lingers a short time
already subbed but saw you on the homepage and recognized the thumbnail
How’d you get the weights?
good video, I would like you to also talk about the mage class, it would be quite interesting
Gonna make that video soon!
Buff stripe im begging 😭
Good video but after the heavy exploration with stripe I think he is definitely better than Marvin at least as long as 1s goes
I think you should do Tanks next. Leave Bruisers for last since they are the class with most characters atm
@@henriquecarballoaranha9100 probably will, since bruisers MIGHT be an hour long vid 😂
R.I.P Marvin button combos
Rip 😪🙏
@@NotxalkBN I'm sorry for your loss.
They buffed him
didnt have time to watch the video but leaving a like bc your thumbnail is hand drawn and not ai
Heroes aren't just in the multiverse
I love you! Also before I watch, I think Marvin is
Maybe with a whole patch dedicated to Marvin that would become a reality lol
Same
Finn and Harley are my go to mains
You forgot to mention that Harley’s bomb can break shields 💅🏽
Of course lmao
noobs: stripe is bad
meanwhile void: destroys every1 with it XD
As a stripe main I gotta say his gun should have more kill power if they won't give it damage course he just needs some hitbox fixes like even his chainsaw has a shit hitbox legit making him more solid wouldn't break the balance.
I dont get the criticism on Marvin, the fact hes difficult to play makes him a bad character? The lack of kill combos is fair tho
Marvin is too honest of a character in a game that’s inherently dishonest. Best way I can put it. People like shaggy have arguably better kill power + more weight and a projectile as an example
2:50 lmao added that
As an Arya player and a Harley player , I loved this video on how the other three are inferior🙏(I’m joking except for stripe , I have beef with yall stripe players)
PFG of the games quality
Fin objectively, but I just want to complain about all the delays to Harley's attacks, like side special, you can hit her at any point upon activating it, even if you have the dodge ability attached to it, and then she hangs in the air before firing, and once fires it has extremely limited range, the only way it actually hits anyone is if the other guy isn't paying attention or gets trapped in a combo. This makes it useless as an attack, and for traversal, because you can't cancel out so you're stuck there until she shoots, and people will hit you.
Then you get her down attack, which can be great, but she has a 3 second charge period that other characters can activate their attack during and out pace you. Dash attack has an even larger build up that literally every other fighter can out pace and charge you after you've already started.
She's not a bad fighter, but outside of her up speacil most of her attacks do very little damage, so you're basically running around the map trying to get them to stop dodging long enough for you to pull them into a combo and hit them with the bat.
It’s lowkey Batman even though it says he’s a brawler lol
Great objective video. I was not expecting Arya to be that high. Guess I haven't played enough Aryas.
Harley on the other hand... it was therapeutic to see you lay out all the facts about her unfair moveset. The only character I truly despise fighting in the game. WW and Batman are pretty bad but Harley is disgustingly easy and rewarding for little effort.
I wasn't expecting Spike to be the worst. It was nice seeing you present Marvin as a whole.
That down air into neutral special combo was sick. I need to practice that one since he's my main.
As a Jason main, I require a tank ranking (he’s probably the worst)
What about Stripes Defensive game if he cant approach well? What about his role in 2v2s since those are often more chaotic and how he would theoretically take advantage off of it?
It seems like stripes retreating fair and down tilt are his good options for walling out people, with up tilt being an anti air. Apart from that, I’m not seeing how stripe’s defensive play would help much, especially when there’s no innate armor breaking move (unlike Marvin who can spam down tilt for spacing)
As for 2v2’s, didn’t consider how he’d play there, but as a whole the tier list would probably be wildly different
1. Arya
2. Harley
Tryna back the claim up in a bo5? 🤭
ive been a harley main since beta, i fkn love her lol
hey as someone that contests you for that marvin spot i found the first true 0-D combo with him
i posted on the official mv server
Stripe is my best assassin👍🗿
Finn is a hero!
*His class is assassin*
brodie what about taz? :(
Oh my gosh you’re completely right I forgot abt him!insane oversight good catch
He just got switched it’s fine
what is tilt when he says down tilt
Pressing attack while holding down
@@NotxalkBN bless
marvin players try not to downplay an S tier character challenge (Impossible)
Me when I’m delusional
marvin is not S tier dawg 💀
Harley is one of the best characters in the game so I expected her to be the best assassin.
i’m taking that down air into button combo 😈🙏🐺🐺
Best is def stripe with his anti projectile. And his huge mobility. So clearly you didn't really play stripe, any assassin can't kill you with one move. Stripe has a kill move that kills 100%, his up tilt. Could kill at 70, if someone DI, you can reverse it. If someone goes up, you can jump up air and kill him. Beside, you don't have to eat your bomb you can have the timming to hit an enemy, then your bomb explode, leading to some kills at 40 or less. He is one with the best recovery on the game and best part is you can't even stop his recovery with a projectile, his up special deny projectiles and taking his perk with the bomb definitly shows that you didn't understand stripes, you will NEVER hit the ground, never, you want different angles, but even if you hit the ground, you want to hit again with your launch to setup an air attack.
And on the most part, stripe is still usefull with huge bar, cause his lauch speed is equal to his damage bar ( using down special), meaning , you can hit someone from far in the air and even leading to a kill...
I don't know how you qualify "assissin", but assassin is a type of character with a huge move speed and who can move from a part of the map to another in less time than others. If you play an assassin a mage way or a tank way, sure you are bad.
Jjk panel looks good
Appreciated 🙏
harley moment
Buff Marvin. Buff Stripe.
W video type shi
W comment type shi
Of course it's marvin
Wonderful video man. As another small creator, you got potential. And if you need help on a tank video, hit me up. I'm one of the best Iron Giant players post nerf. And, I'd love to make art for your channel!
This video aged like old milk
Old Milk tastes good tho
@@NotxalkBN depends of the milk. What’s your opinion of Marvin being a mage now?
@@marcoantoniosanchezperez851 he’s still garbage. At least they realized he isn’t an assassin since OTHER MAGES kill easier and have better combos than him. Genuinely think he’s bottom 2 after this patch, right next to either Velma or jake
Marvin’s the best character in the game don’t believe me drop your GT’s
how is arya the second best assassin when she is the best character in the game o.O
harley is the best. (i didnt watch the video but I play the game)
Aight this is good except Finn is ten million times better than Arya
YOU THINK HARLEY IS THE BEST ONE!?!?
Just kidding, I can Handle your opinion she is just ANNOYING to fight
In my opinion, Marvin the Martian is the best one
marvin aint the best you just dont how to deal with him
@sablenarwhale3574 I changed my mind, the best one's now Finn
That’s not what ACME means 😂😂
What does it mean then? Enlighten me 🧘
@@NotxalkBN It's just a fictional brand used by cartoons from the Looney Tunes franchise. Like every trap the coyote used to try to cath the roadrunner.
Finn is the worst
EXCUSE ME!?!?
finn>arya