Not surprised... FIA regularly change things when they find a team hasn't been working within the "spirit" of the rules. Look at things like Mercedes' DAS system a few ago, whatever it was Ferrari were doing with fuel flow/fuel mix that made their engines rockets a few years ago then suddenly had a huge drop off, Williams' various driver assists they had in the 1993 FW15 and even Brawn GP's Double Diffuser... nobody should be surprised by this. Engineers find a way to bend the rules to get an advantage, FIA discover it (usually by other teams complaining) and then those loopholes get closed
Things like the DAS, F-duct and Double Diffuser are nothing at all like the Ferrari engine or this - the first ones are openly discussed, debated, and the rules loophole if any is revealed and eventually either fixed (usually for next year) or simply become part of the sport with every team going on to do it - as it is actually clearly legal, and simply nobody else had thought of it yet... This and the Ferrari engine scream we blatantly cheated and to avoid embarrassment for the sport as whole the rules get 'clarified' so everyone can pretend we were being genuinely clever within the rules, rather than having no real defence for our actions, it being clearly against the rules already even if you could pay a fortune in rules lawyer to try and obfuscate that fact....
@@NJTRAF Didn't say it didn't, but may of these sort of things are handled with transparency and integrity being very evident, or at the very least closed doors to the public but all the teams representatives get to know - the way that is actually good for the sport and its image. The Ferrari engines and this RB Braking system so far are not being handled that way, and just taint the sport. Which as much as I hate to say it makes me miss that cockroach Bernie... As since his time ended F1 seems to have been letting major transgressions slide, where everyone knows there was something going on, but nobody but the 'cheaters' know the truth. Getting to the point you have to wonder if Max has ever actually won anything on merit - no doubting he is a good driver, and given the chance in a team that plays by the rules and is still competitive he might still win.. But RB has been part of scandal after scandal of late - budget cap, 2021's terrible stewarding that on the whole went his way, this brake issue... Really taints his record.
This is how F1 works and has always worked. There's rules that the FIA set and you've got the best engineers in the world working to find loopholes. There's nothing the FIA will ever be able to do when you've got the best Engineers working to find holes in your rules
when i translate this to my language, its still illegal so i dont understand why are they not banned from the series, its not the first time they got caught
@@commentator3837 this all makes sense as well because look at checo before miami and after..he fell off a wall after that its this is the reason why as max is better at making due than checo
it's been proven that red bull cheated fron 2021 . season. IMHO. they should be stripped of all wins and championships. hero to zero max the great pretender. there's only 1 GOAT 🐐 lewis Hamilton. lh44 . karma is a bitch l told you so. 😊
It will probably be that their car had an unfair advantage but was technically legal because it passed the scrutinising tests. So when the FIA upgraded the tests they had to remove what ever was giving them the advantage in order for the car to remain legal
It was in the regulations but RB said they did not actually understand it, so FIA clarified the rule so they could , so are they not that intelligent and disregard something like that .. I think any one could have seen the rule and would have known what it meant ..RB should have been penalised for doing it
They have been cheating for years.all the titles should be taken away from Redbull going back to and including 2021. This making other drivers world champions
The original braking rule was unambigous. However by adding the 'additional clarification' means both Red Bull and the FIA can claim that Red Bull were not cheating. It is clear that Red Bull were cheating and points should be deducted. Of course this will not happen.
U literally contradicted ur claim😂 it wasn’t clarified enough and so a grey area opened in the rules. Therefore it wasn’t illegal at the time. If they ran it now, then Yh it would be. But they have been made to remove it. Cry more buddy
@@analex4044 well, if his moveing around on track seem suspicious I think I know a little more then before as my dearly departed dad used to say, "If it smells like poo and looks like poo for heavens sake dont lick it to prove the point...
@@carloskissoondhan9641 As fearful as they were of Mercedes with DAS, and Ferrari with fuel injection.... In each case there was a loophole and advantage was lost.
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy Mercedes did not have to remove DAS for the remainder or the season. Ferrari had to ditch the injection system, was given an unknown punishment for cheating, and lost a ton of performance. RedBull should be punished, now, like Ferrari was.
@@anthonyscales8691 Wasetcrdes allowed to use DAS till the end of the season (genuine question)? By punishment I mean - degradation, taking some points away etc...
So, actually Redbull didn't cheat. They were just smart in applying the rules in their advantage. The rules have been changed in order to make Redbull slower because the FIA wants more competition. Now they have the 3rd or 4th fastest car.
It will probably be that their car had an unfair advantage but was technically legal because it passed the scrutinising tests. So when the FIA upgraded the tests they had to remove what ever was giving them the advantage in order for the car to remain legal
The question is, have Red Bull become slower while the other teams have become quicker. Getting quicker throughout the season is to be expected as they develop so that sounds normal. But suddenly becoming slower especially when timed with the FIA bringing in a rule change strongly suggests that their car had an unfair advantage before the rule change.
And still cheating over the summer break! You know they’re secretly communicating and working on the car over the break. Christian Horner need I say more!
@@sammoore3687 i am by you comment assuming that YOU have mounts of evidence DISproving the claim.. NO YOU DON't. you Keyboard warrior...on your second part of the silly comment.. I DO HATE CHEATING.. GUESS YOU DON'T..
@@jumpnjack808 don’t most the world implement a system of innocent until proven guilty for this exact scenario? If there’s no evidence saying they’re guilty, or no evidence saying they’re innocent. You have to believe that they are innocent. Otherwise we would have a system of chaos. For instance, I could just say your a kiddie diddler. I have no evidence saying you are…. But I also have no evidence saying your not. So by your logic, I can accuse you of that and it’s reasonable to believe you touch kids. You see how your way of thinking is flawed??
All I know is the RedBull car went from Max driving it with like one finger to now can't keep it between the diches something is different for sure. It wouldn't be the first time a team has used brakeing as traction control and getting caught, and now the car is junk. Michel Schumacher got caught at Bennetton, and they don't exist in F1 anymore, so why should RedBull if indeed they cheated?
@@sammoore3687 I totally understand your point but they knew they were cheating and how many races did they win with that false advantage. It also makes us wonder how good Mas is when he has a normal car? His partner doesn't seem to get the same results. I mean if you have car that you never have to worry much about breaking into every corner well then all your doing is steering. I have no idea but it did seem they could do no wrong for a while there. Didn't seem right and maybe now we know why? Thank you for your reply. Cheers.
bunch of clowns in these comments not knowing what loop holes are 😂 using loop holes is not cheating. if the other teams saw this loop hole, they would’ve used it too…
@@MrCrazyjack The braking system must be designed in such a way that, for every single braking event, the forces applied to the pads are of the same intensity and act in a perfectly opposite manner on the specific brake disc.” The latest version adds a clarification to what was previously written: “Any system or mechanism capable of systematically or intentionally producing asymmetrical braking forces on one of the two axles is prohibited. The old rules seems pretty straightforward. I find it weird that RB does not get punished for this.
@@KristofferpgaYou said it youself. The key words are ”pads on a specific brake disc”. There are two brake discs per axle. Since the old rules only mention the brake-pads on a specific disc. This writing makes it totally legal to have different brake pressure on the right and left side as long as the two brakepads on for example the left side supplies the same pressure on the disc on that side. Then there are some other rules that forbids for example ”powered devices” that would create assymetrical braking etc. But this mechanism that RB has used doesnt seem to be powered either. So Id say that this wasnt illegal at all. But It will be fun to see how RB copes with rebuilding their car 🙌
Just like the FIA to ban innovation. Then they wonder why engineers are bored with the sport and why people like Newey are looking for bigger challenges. It does not affect costs or safety, which is the only reason the FIA should intervene. This manipulation of the rules mid season is a travesty and smells like fish!!!!!!
Red Bull are not cheating. Its their innovations is a genius thing. It does not mean that if you tweaked the car to improve performance is NOT cheating at all,
Exactly and not to defend anything related to RBR. Take a short look back on the DAS system of MB. That was also very innovative and I love that in F1 throughout the years from when I started watching in the 80’s. It is all getting too regulated to be called to pinnacle of racing anymore in my point of view. We are just a couple of steps away from equal cars and engines, only setup changes can be different….. sounds familiar like some other classes…… Actually when I think about it. When this all seems to be correct where there is a system that can control the amount of force on a caliper when breaking into corners… This might be even a very safe thing actually…. Also for our own street cars as well….even more so probably in the wet combined with abs
@@Lucas_Pit do you actually know what ABS is, and you do realise that the das system was approved by the FiA so really nothing alike. red bull fan by any chance?
Not surprised... FIA regularly change things when they find a team hasn't been working within the "spirit" of the rules. Look at things like Mercedes' DAS system a few ago, whatever it was Ferrari were doing with fuel flow/fuel mix that made their engines rockets a few years ago then suddenly had a huge drop off, Williams' various driver assists they had in the 1993 FW15 and even Brawn GP's Double Diffuser... nobody should be surprised by this. Engineers find a way to bend the rules to get an advantage, FIA discover it (usually by other teams complaining) and then those loopholes get closed
Things like the DAS, F-duct and Double Diffuser are nothing at all like the Ferrari engine or this - the first ones are openly discussed, debated, and the rules loophole if any is revealed and eventually either fixed (usually for next year) or simply become part of the sport with every team going on to do it - as it is actually clearly legal, and simply nobody else had thought of it yet... This and the Ferrari engine scream we blatantly cheated and to avoid embarrassment for the sport as whole the rules get 'clarified' so everyone can pretend we were being genuinely clever within the rules, rather than having no real defence for our actions, it being clearly against the rules already even if you could pay a fortune in rules lawyer to try and obfuscate that fact....
@@foldionepapyrus3441 I pulled only a few examples, go back through the history of the sport from the 70's onwards and this happens constantly
@@NJTRAF Didn't say it didn't, but may of these sort of things are handled with transparency and integrity being very evident, or at the very least closed doors to the public but all the teams representatives get to know - the way that is actually good for the sport and its image. The Ferrari engines and this RB Braking system so far are not being handled that way, and just taint the sport.
Which as much as I hate to say it makes me miss that cockroach Bernie... As since his time ended F1 seems to have been letting major transgressions slide, where everyone knows there was something going on, but nobody but the 'cheaters' know the truth.
Getting to the point you have to wonder if Max has ever actually won anything on merit - no doubting he is a good driver, and given the chance in a team that plays by the rules and is still competitive he might still win.. But RB has been part of scandal after scandal of late - budget cap, 2021's terrible stewarding that on the whole went his way, this brake issue... Really taints his record.
This is how F1 works and has always worked. There's rules that the FIA set and you've got the best engineers in the world working to find loopholes. There's nothing the FIA will ever be able to do when you've got the best Engineers working to find holes in your rules
when i translate this to my language, its still illegal so i dont understand why are they not banned from the series, its not the first time they got caught
Changing the wording suggests they were not cheating.
@@commentator3837 this all makes sense as well because look at checo before miami and after..he fell off a wall after that its this is the reason why as max is better at making due than checo
it's been proven that red bull cheated fron 2021 . season. IMHO. they should be stripped of all wins and championships. hero to zero max the great pretender. there's only 1 GOAT 🐐 lewis Hamilton. lh44 . karma is a bitch l told you so. 😊
It will probably be that their car had an unfair advantage but was technically legal because it passed the scrutinising tests.
So when the FIA upgraded the tests they had to remove what ever was giving them the advantage in order for the car to remain legal
They have been cheating a lot more than this. It’s not just the brakes.
You strongly believe this?
The hell ? Evidence? Prove ?
To everything it says in the video we must add the steering rear wheels for at least 3 years.
@@anonymousf1 interesting dear sir. Can you explain. I’ve never heard of those
@@analex4044 it’s red bull mate, they cheat almost every season
Seems like Perez still has not learnt how drive with symetrical brakes...
But does he actually have it?
@@badgical640 I think he has symmetrical (i.e. not tweaked/regular) brakes now.
It's only designed to make Max look good. By Perez looking "average," they can say, it's not the car, its Max
Modern Aero + V10 = Pure F1 Glory
@@jeremiahheaven1941 ...anduch smaller cars, so Monaco makes sense again.
How did we end up with this trash. You guys fixed it in 2 minutes. You get my vote
I'm dumb but even i understand that braking rule it didnt need adding to IT WAS CLEAR ENOUGH
It was in the regulations but RB said they did not actually understand it, so FIA clarified the rule so they could , so are they not that intelligent and disregard something like that .. I think any one could have seen the rule and would have known what it meant ..RB should have been penalised for doing it
Someone's been caught cheating yet again = CHEAT BULL
ya you call cheater before there is any proof... wtf are you? gaylord jesus or what
@@PrefoX once a cheat always a Cheat
Like Mercedes with their DAS
@@PrefoX😂😂😂😂
@daphneschuring5810 that wasn't cheating it was allowed by the Fia for 1 season
They have been cheating for years.all the titles should be taken away from Redbull going back to and including 2021. This making other drivers world champions
😂
The original braking rule was unambigous. However by adding the 'additional clarification' means both Red Bull and the FIA can claim that Red Bull were not cheating. It is clear that Red Bull were cheating and points should be deducted. Of course this will not happen.
U literally contradicted ur claim😂 it wasn’t clarified enough and so a grey area opened in the rules. Therefore it wasn’t illegal at the time. If they ran it now, then Yh it would be. But they have been made to remove it. Cry more buddy
🤣🤡@@sammoore3687
Now we know why Verstapen keeps moving about under breaking(to activate the brake valve...
R u restarted?
I don’t think you understand how that works
@@analex4044 well, if his moveing around on track seem suspicious I think I know a little more then before as my dearly departed dad used to say, "If it smells like poo and looks like poo for heavens sake dont lick it to prove the point...
@@rorythomson8763 i think the moving underbreaking issue just defensive move
And Verstappen?
this year the catering is hard to digest
LOVE❤ HIM OR HATE HIM STILL SIR LEWIS HAMILTON IS THE KING OF FORMEL1 AND NOBODY CAN TAKE IT OUT FROM HIM ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤PEACE AND LOVE
It's more Queen of F1 the diva.
FIA very fearful of redbull is shockingly crazy.
@@carloskissoondhan9641 As fearful as they were of Mercedes with DAS, and Ferrari with fuel injection....
In each case there was a loophole and advantage was lost.
Lol
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy Mercedes did not have to remove DAS for the remainder or the season. Ferrari had to ditch the injection system, was given an unknown punishment for cheating, and lost a ton of performance. RedBull should be punished, now, like Ferrari was.
@@anthonyscales8691 Wasetcrdes allowed to use DAS till the end of the season (genuine question)?
By punishment I mean - degradation, taking some points away etc...
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpycause das was legal. It was already approved by the FIA before the 2020 season even started
So, actually Redbull didn't cheat. They were just smart in applying the rules in their advantage. The rules have been changed in order to make Redbull slower because the FIA wants more competition. Now they have the 3rd or 4th fastest car.
It will probably be that their car had an unfair advantage but was technically legal because it passed the scrutinising tests.
So when the FIA upgraded the tests they had to remove what ever was giving them the advantage in order for the car to remain legal
The question is, have Red Bull become slower while the other teams have become quicker.
Getting quicker throughout the season is to be expected as they develop so that sounds normal.
But suddenly becoming slower especially when timed with the FIA bringing in a rule change strongly suggests that their car had an unfair advantage before the rule change.
And still cheating over the summer break!
You know they’re secretly communicating and working on the car over the break.
Christian Horner need I say more!
FIA: added a sentence to the rules
Every one: Redbull cheating
Just wait for more evidence people
redbull is cooked
Unlikely they will get a reduction of points for Team RB 😊
Yor check from RBR is in the post
What is their penalty????? Just stop using the part but what about the wins they had with the illegal part was fitted?????
RB always have good run with 3 to 4 world championship and that's why we have all these changes at the moment.
RB and Newey has been chea ting for 3 years. They finally got them. IT IS NOT TO COMPLICATED UNDERSRAND..
I’m assuming u have mounts of evidence to support such a bold claim? Or are u just blinded by hate??
@@sammoore3687 i am by you comment assuming that YOU have mounts of evidence DISproving the claim.. NO YOU DON't. you Keyboard warrior...on your second part of the silly comment.. I DO HATE CHEATING.. GUESS YOU DON'T..
@@jumpnjack808 don’t most the world implement a system of innocent until proven guilty for this exact scenario? If there’s no evidence saying they’re guilty, or no evidence saying they’re innocent. You have to believe that they are innocent. Otherwise we would have a system of chaos. For instance, I could just say your a kiddie diddler. I have no evidence saying you are…. But I also have no evidence saying your not. So by your logic, I can accuse you of that and it’s reasonable to believe you touch kids. You see how your way of thinking is flawed??
@@jumpnjack808 you sound like my 10 yeard old nephew and thats how you will be treated, just watch cars the disney film or nascar
Last year must be ilegal too. Max championship was won on illegal car. Disgusting.
It’s not cheating when you have to rewrite the rules..
Still goes to show what a great driver Max is
All I know is the RedBull car went from Max driving it with like one finger to now can't keep it between the diches something is different for sure. It wouldn't be the first time a team has used brakeing as traction control and getting caught, and now the car is junk. Michel Schumacher got caught at Bennetton, and they don't exist in F1 anymore, so why should RedBull if indeed they cheated?
So Redbull gets all the heat but Mercedes doesn’t get any even tho they used the same technique when they were in their dominant era??
It was never illegal
Most teams cheat in some form, the key is not getting caught Mercedes did this better than most
Pretty sure lewis wants that championship back.
Apparently it was only on Verstappen’s car!
Remainds me Ferrari situation and FIA....
What's a "regulative"?
Most important for formula 1 isis getting back to v10 engine
@@bjornsvensson9206 I wish, but it is not going to happen.
Afraid we can get I3 one day....
Red Bull might get a fine.
For what? Operating within the rules at the time??? Not red bulls fault the FIA couldn’t write their rules properly…
@@sammoore3687 🤣🤦🏾♂️
@@sammoore3687 I totally understand your point but they knew they were cheating and how many races did they win with that false advantage. It also makes us wonder how good Mas is when he has a normal car? His partner doesn't seem to get the same results. I mean if you have car that you never have to worry much about breaking into every corner well then all your doing is steering. I have no idea but it did seem they could do no wrong for a while there. Didn't seem right and maybe now we know why? Thank you for your reply. Cheers.
@@sammoore3687 why not say your right or anything.
Red Bull back to be Jaguar again.....
Add to rear steering wheels and you got a rocketship! Tu tu turu 🔊🔊🔊🗣️🗣️🗣️ MAX VERSTAPPEN...😂🤣
This brake rule is already there RB Have been cheating full stop.
mafFIA
@@quathedral RB - Rule Bending
bunch of clowns in these comments not knowing what loop holes are 😂 using loop holes is not cheating. if the other teams saw this loop hole, they would’ve used it too…
It's called moter racing folks, If you aint pushing the limit of the rules , ya guna be last
I put £500 on lando to win the WDC
Lando Norris? Lost your whole soul. Respectully.
No way
Next year might be his best chance. This year I think Max has had such a good start that he can last till the end of the season. Like the 2009 season
@@analex4044I am afraid next year might be Piastri's opportunity.
@@analex4044 totally depends on what actually has been banned on the red bull
Cheating since 2021 including the last race
hello
Hello
@@FormulaTodayF1 how is your day ?
Good! Just woke up and about to go to work 🙌 What about you?
If it was not in the regulations, it was not illegal.
@@MrCrazyjack The braking system must be designed in such a way that, for every single braking event, the forces applied to the pads are of the same intensity and act in a perfectly opposite manner on the specific brake disc.” The latest version adds a clarification to what was previously written: “Any system or mechanism capable of systematically or intentionally producing asymmetrical braking forces on one of the two axles is prohibited.
The old rules seems pretty straightforward. I find it weird that RB does not get punished for this.
@@KristofferpgaYou said it youself. The key words are ”pads on a specific brake disc”. There are two brake discs per axle. Since the old rules only mention the brake-pads on a specific disc. This writing makes it totally legal to have different brake pressure on the right and left side as long as the two brakepads on for example the left side supplies the same pressure on the disc on that side.
Then there are some other rules that forbids for example ”powered devices” that would create assymetrical braking etc. But this mechanism that RB has used doesnt seem to be powered either.
So Id say that this wasnt illegal at all. But It will be fun to see how RB copes with rebuilding their car 🙌
@@Kristofferpga did FIA at any moment mention RBR or any other team that was using this? Is there a proof that anyone was using that?
Just like the FIA to ban innovation. Then they wonder why engineers are bored with the sport and why people like Newey are looking for bigger challenges. It does not affect costs or safety, which is the only reason the FIA should intervene. This manipulation of the rules mid season is a travesty and smells like fish!!!!!!
You need tissues mate. Cry harder 🤣
A device that makes the car easier to drive is NOT innovation, it is cheating.
Ask yourself, did they get the green light from FIA before installing the innovation?
@@flowgy You are clueless.
@@MrRt027 That is a good question. But, if it conforms to the rules, as written at the time, then it still is legal.
This is not cheating at all..
It’s was a loop hole that teams have been exploiting for years mostly Newey and Brawn some of the best minds in F1…
Red Bull are not cheating. Its their innovations is a genius thing. It does not mean that if you tweaked the car to improve performance is NOT cheating at all,
Exactly and not to defend anything related to RBR. Take a short look back on the DAS system of MB. That was also very innovative and I love that in F1 throughout the years from when I started watching in the 80’s. It is all getting too regulated to be called to pinnacle of racing anymore in my point of view. We are just a couple of steps away from equal cars and engines, only setup changes can be different….. sounds familiar like some other classes……
Actually when I think about it. When this all seems to be correct where there is a system that can control the amount of force on a caliper when breaking into corners… This might be even a very safe thing actually…. Also for our own street cars as well….even more so probably in the wet combined with abs
@@Lucas_Pitdifference is Mercedes asked FIA before doing it.
@@Lucas_Pit do you actually know what ABS is, and you do realise that the das system was approved by the FiA so really nothing alike. red bull fan by any chance?