Absolutely no excuse on this, I was a Damage Controlman and know what steps must be taken in shipboard fires. These idiots had no clue what they were doing and I'm glad a lot were held accountable BUT I'm also glad that the scapegoat the Admiral try to pin this fire on won the case. I always felt he was innocent.
And who has actual responsibility of the ship when in refit ? Difference between being at sea and in normal service, when in refit who has responsibility of the ship ? Think about it !!
The Navy has had numerous ships catch on fire, especially during WW 2. Yet here was a ship tied up with access to every fire suppression system available, yet the Navy could not save this vessel. I believe that the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet should be held accountable as well. For it is ultimately he whom is responsible for how effective his command is run.
This is one of the statements to which I cannot say yes, but also cannot say no. When you see an organization have failures that are just systemic, something is wrong in the leadership. For example, when you see a pro sports team never be even competitive when it has money to spend, and they change who is the head coach and general managers a few times, but nothing changes, then you need to blame ownership. With this ship and fire: the first sailor that noticed it appears to have ignored it; the captain was told of the fire via text message; no one on board never called the shoreside fire crews; and the shoreside and shipboard fire equipment did not work together without adapters, but neither had the adapters. The failures were not just on board, so maybe admirals are part of the problem. And, this is not the Navy's only serious failure is recent years. The Fitzgerald and McCain collisions tell me that the problems probably originate much higher up than with the highest admiral disciplined for this incident. But, few will admit that ....
The Essex caught fire in the same yard in the same timeframe under similar circumstances but that crew was trained, ready and extinguished the fire before any real damage was done. Incidentally, NO B.S. criminal charges were filed against any "disgruntled" non-rates, unlike B.R.
@@brentbartley6838 The Woke Navy was definitely looking for (yet again) another scapegoat in the lower ranks. They did the same thing after the USS IOWA disaster back in 1989.
@@Harry-nn4px Woke has nothing to do with this case nor the Iowa turret explosion. Though you are right about the Navy looking for a scapegoat, not for the first time. The Command Investigation laid blame on systemic failures from the CO on down. Incidentally Seaman Recruit Mays was aquitted in setting the fire. But 2 years of his life were used up on this and his Navy career is effectively over.
@@Harry-nn4px The “WOKE” Navy? Tell me, just what do you think “Woke” means? Please don’t use made up terms by a political party that’s trying to create BS to put down the other political party. There’s no such word as “woke.” It was made up as just another scare tactic used by a certain political party in order to scare people into voting for them while they continue to lie and mislead the public. Once you begin to realize that, the sooner you’ll see through their BS. There’s NOTHING “WOKE” about our Navy unless you’re referring to the word awoke. And if that’s the case, yes yes, our Navy is awoke. That’s certainly better than being “ASLEEP.” Our Navy’s been awoke for years. As far as the fire goes, the comment about all the automated fire fighting systems on board the USS Bonhomme Richard is NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE. While those systems certainly exist, in this case, they had been taken out of service by the shipyard employees who were upgrading the ship. Had the ship not been in a shipyard status, she most certainly would have survived this fire with minimal damage. Unfortunately, when ships are in the shipyards (or in this case, the shipyard came to the ship), the critical systems used to prevent or fight fires are often taken out of service. That means that none of those automated systems were available to the crew to put this fire out. Furthermore, all the ship’s fire doors would have been left wide open and couldn’t have been closed if they wanted to, because those hatches would have had electrical cables and welding gas lines running through them and tied up in the overheads of the ship’s passageways, making it IMPOSSIBLE TO CLOSE THOSE BOUNDARIES to prevent the spreading of the fire. Last, but certainly not least, I read several reports that stated that many of the fire hoses had been sliced open, rendering them useless. Under normal circumstances, the fire fighting systems on board the WASP class LHDs is extremely robust and is designed to handle nearly any type of fire on board. But that’s when all those systems are fully available for use by the crew. These are very well designed, extremely robust ships, and are a major step forward from the Tarawa class that came before them. About the only negative aspect of these ships is the fact that they’re still powered by steam plants despite being built at the end of the 1980’s, and well into the 1990’s. They should have been built using gas turbines like all the other modern ships are, or better yet, perhaps they should have constructed them with nuclear power plants instead, as they’re very large ships as well. But they not WOKE. Nor is the United States Navy. It’s most interesting that the political party that coughed up that ridiculous term can’t define it themselves. If you ask every single Republican politician, you’ll get a completely different answer as to what “WOKE” is even supposed to mean.
A tremendous embarrassment is what the U.S. Navy deserves. Blaming it on that sailor along is not a surprise, all branches of the military would use a low ranking individual or group as an scapegoat so it doesn't make the service branch look that bad.
As a NAVY VET, this is a disgrace to the branch!! When I was on the USS Benfold, if you had duty, you had two drills!! One was a DC drill and the other was a topside drill. EVERYONE participated!! When we were in dry dock, junior sailors went to school. There also was a ships barge that the duty section (or whoever lived onboard) slept in. The ships nomenclature in REPAIR LOCKER 5 (main locker) should've been in that locker in case a fire or flood occurred so you know how to set primary, secondary boundries, etc...... Why didn't anyone ring bells to muster the flying squad??!! There's so many issues wrong here, I can go on and on. Where was the sound and security watch? The topside rovers?? I mean nobody noticed something wrong?? THIS IS BULLSHIT!!! The CO, XO, DCA, DCC, OOD, CDO, CPO's both on duty, CMC, CHENG should ALL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!! They're senior guys that have the knowledge and experience. Don't blame this shit on a junior guy. Not surprised but that's the NAVY TODAY!!! All political. This entire command knows it and it showed!!
Lol. Yeah because the way we conduct ourselves around the globe is respectable and how we treat our citizens are respectable lol. This country was a disgrace as soon as it elected Ronald Reagan. As soon as it elected Donald Trump this country lost hope. Get ready for authoritarianism on full blast baby. And if it was up to the average American we wouldn't even have a military anymore because that's a form of socialism. Lol
Those people that you cited are not magicians. They are up against a Woke President, Congress, Secretary of Defense; the list goes on. There is a reason why all the branches have a chronic shortage Service Members. We are in big trouble.
If a shipyard and their contractors almost finished a multi million dollar project , they might hope on a next project to follow. I just learned how many crew members comite suïcide when their ship is in Port. Did you follow these ships and all what happened while they where in the Docks ? Compared to other countries US navy ships seem to attract fire.
I imagine that there must've been only Duty Section. Still BS that nobody saw it in time but, I assume it wasnt fully manned while in a 2 hear overhaul period. May have been only those on Duty, so no Flying Squad unless a member or two was available that day.
To lose a ship on the high seas in battle is one thing, but to lose a ship in port at one of the largest Navy bases in the world is inexcusable. It was obvious, the Navy Command planned containment and not actually putting out the fire. Treating it like a training exercise parading sailors in fire suits into the ship. I knew it was a total loss just by the fire response on day one. Still remember the smell of burnt electrical transformers to this day.
Was stationed on the ship next to it, saw the smoke on my way to work. Half our ship helped fight the fire. There is alot more to this story then the navy can tell but alot is coming to light.
@@melgibson3287 I guess you don't live in San Diego, a county that not only hire illegal aliens they work in the shipyard by "identity thieving people." In fact, it as if they were not only "naval people with experience." More head should role...PS some of the companies apparently declared bankrupcty, closed division and/or switch locations...
@@rgloria40 I think what you're trying to explain but you don't know how because you're trying to be stereotypical while you're doing it and have your own personal agenda without any facts to back, is low road capitalism because that's what you're explaining low road capitalism and not just San Diego participates in Low road capitalism I'd like to let you know that America participates in Low road capitalism. You are also explaining how Donald Trump conducts his business as well of along with many many other powerful CEOs in the nation or just small company owners. See you're not mad at San Diego and you're not mad at the people you're mad in general the ideology of or form of capitalism and what it brings to the table and how it manifests in our society. Unfortunately in America we have fooled people to thinking capitalism is the same thing as a social ideology which It Isn't So Americans think all forms of socialism is bad but yet capitalism is good but yet they like democracy which is a socialist ideology see Americans are very confused and you're no different. The only social ideology that capitalism can form within its ideology is authoritarianism just to let you know that and that's exactly where America's headed if you look at it taking away rights not giving rights.
@@melgibson3287 You should hide under someone else name... I think you don't understand society in general. Every society has to go to cycles to maintain stability. The world is competition of countries therefore it is logical every place is other place you live is not for you. Good for you live you live where you wan to live.
@@rgloria40 yeah I don't think you actually read what I commented to you. So I'll make very basic for ya. Quick basic questions. Is capitalism an economic ideology or social ideology? Is democracy a Socialist ideology or an Economic one? Capitalism and democracy is oil and water. That's why you use capitalism as a tool to generate an economy and then control it with a socialist ideology to protect your people's rights as human beings. You don't use capitalism as a form of socialism because it will turn into authoritarianism. And there is nothing you can say or think that will change that fact. You see Americans are not educated enough to know the difference. That's why I'm talking foreign to you. 😉
Can we sue the govt for inhaling these toxic fumes for 5 days? As people living in surrounding neighborhoods. You could smell these toxins all around you.
@Orbital Cooker This has been going on for decades in San Diego Bay, Golden hill, national city. 32nd Street NAVY ship yards polluting the neighborhoods with heavy metals.
Exactly. During excessive heat sat baking in house unable to open windows no a/c, if you stepped outside within a minute would get light headed and that was almost lemon grove I can’t imagine those who were closer
Is there some sort of medical follow up program ? Thousands of troops suffer from the Burnpits around the world so it would open some eyes if people involved with these fires show the same Medical problems. The foam to extinguish the fire is full of PFAS .
Very sad attempt at journalism. Note reported. There was no Navy fire department near the ships. The ship was in port for a major overhaul. No Officers, Navy chiefs, civilian contractors or enlisted crew on board. . It was a week end. A lot of could have, should have was not accomplished.
Cancer rates among US troops are all time high on many different locations around the world. Polluted drinking water, Burnpits and ship fires might be that rocket Engine behind these high cancer rates.
They are framing that sailor for burning that ship down, because the Navy pins the blame on low-ranking enlisted all the fucking time. I was raped while deployed in 2005 and when I attempted to report my assault on the USS Princeton, I was framed with housing allowance fraud (during a divorce I was going through when I qualified for single housing allowance) in order to discredit my rape reports. The same deployment covered up another rape and two negligent manslaughters. That man going to trial did not cause that catastrophe, but if you convict him, you have created somebody who will. Thanks for keeping the US stocked with future terrorists.
Its a red Wire across the US defence system. Half of the world still has that View on the US troops of being the best there is. But if i read and see all the problems that are spread over all these years i am shocked. Also in cases of sexual assault it seems to be covered up for years . The problem could be just as big as in the Catholic Church. If the story comes up they respond with a transfer to buried the story
It’s funny how people forgot about this incident when they were blaming Russians having poor fire extinguisher system while US lost a whole heli carrier to fire while in port
This sounds exactly like a typical Navy scapegoat exercise. The loss of the ship was down to poor management by senior Naval Officers. The start of the fire is irrelevant and any individual involved with that can be dealt with as a separate item. However, the absence of planning and expertise to deal with any fire is not irrelevant. There was clearly no plan to deal handle a fire during refit when many of the firefighting facilities may be decommissioned. This should have been in the project plan and steps taken to supplement the system where items were out of use. There was clearly not experienced firefighting officer in charge at the time. It took them far too long to start suppressing the fire. Yes 2 dozen officers and sailors are being punished and some of them may be senior but this is a system failure both at local level and from the top
@@markstanich64 if you shut of detectors a human fire guard should watch in every room that is worked on. By the time you see the smoke coming from another room it might be to late to fight the fire.
This ship DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY FIRE FIGHTING SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AVAILABLE. Because in this case, NONE WERE AVAILABLE. They had all been taken off line to be upgraded. Therefore, those systems were NOT available. The fire had to be fought manually. That’s men manning fire hoses. Furthermore, the ship’s fire fighting boundaries had all been compromised by electrical cables and gas lines that were run throughout the ship for the shipyard workers. When ships are in a shipyard situation, they are at their most vulnerable to fires. In the case of this particular ship, they had used the lower vehicle storage deck to store materials from all the various different offices throughout the ship’s 2nd deck. That’s the largest single deck of the ship’s interior. It resides just below the flight deck, and above the hangar deck. That’s where all the ship’s various offices, officers’ country, intelligence spaces, Combat Information Center, and the ship’s commander’s/staff’s staterooms are all located. The next deck down, just forward of the hangar deck, is the ship’s hospital facilities. And below that, forward of the hanger, are the mess decks, kitchen, CPO Mess, and crew/Marine berthing spaces. Having been a Plankowner and served on board the USS ESSEX (LHD 2) for 5 years, I have a thorough memory of the layout of this class of ship, including all the lower decks and engineering spaces. That’s because I was the Commander of the Ship’s Self Defense Force. We did drills in various locations throughout the ship, often times with the light turned off, forcing security force members to gain a much more detailed understanding of their surroundings so that they would have a huge advantage over any threat that might arise.
On the Friday before the fire I received a news alert that said a prank call or email stating that a Navy Aircraft Carrier was on fire around 4pm that Friday. I had just gotten off of work and heading home going past the airport. I saw no fire so thought it was indeed a prank. I think it was someone bragging of what they were GOING TO DO! I talked to base security on 32nd street near the ship, but they ignored me.
This is what happens when you gun deck your paperwork and PMS and training. And you blame the lowest seaman. You can find its called the blame game. No leader ship.
Things are quite different while in port, and the crew tends to be lower, people aren't so serious, only the people on duty are somewhat prepared to fight a fire, and they expect the shore fire patrol to help. If this happened while at sea and general quarters was called they probably would have fight the fire correctly. While ships are in maintenance periods there tends to be messes everywhere, contractors welding here and there, crew on leave or doing training in some classes off of the ship, etc etc. Way too easy to have a fire started by accident or by electrical faults.
If the fire investigator had actually done his job, perhaps the cause be determined. To not collect debris from the point of origin and seal it and then properly test it is just guessing ! To not test those batteries and their packing material when the are a known source of a multitude of fires. Even a cell phone fire has cause an emergency landing on aircraft. To say the fire control was not properly trained is another scapegoat. To not bring into question the previous fire several days before is unforgettable. Yeah, there is plenty of blame to go around. A ship out of control. Storage out of control. Leaving the Captain in place while the investigation (NOT) underway - out of control. And you folks think the Bonhomme Richard is the only example of the entire Navy out of control?
Was the CAPT, XO and engineering officers have Advance STEM Degree or did they have MBA....for Acquisition Purposes... Looks like ManPower did not assign the right people leading to lost of 4.5 billion dollar F35B carrier. Another example, I saw a training job but they did not list the requirement to have Basic Seamanship, Fire Fighting and etc. Looks to me lip service to Advance STEM DEGREES let along a basic STEM degree.
Its not normal how many US navy ships caught fire during repairs and maintenance. Its easy money for companies that are hired to fix these ship 2 times on the same boatyards. But on the other hand what happens with a crew who,s ship is at the Docks to fix them or upgrade them ? Are some crew members risk it all so they can stay at home instead of sailing the world to some New conflict zones. I never looked into this story of fires but compared to other countries the US Navy ships look to attract fire. Is it a billion dollar fraud , by contractors that want to double their money ? Are their craftsmen that want to be sure of their income with a million dollar project.
iN THE HISTORY OF MARITIME TRAVEL, THE CAPTAIN IS ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPEN TO HIS/HER SHIP....EXCEPT THIS GUY. iT PAYS TO BE A RANKING mASON.
All cumbustables, and amo should of been removed, they're lucky the ship didn't blow up and capsize. The officers in charge are held liable , there are to many laxed personel in the Navy, blaming some one else for there responsiblity.
So much for the storied traditions of the US Navy, losing a ship in port, at dock by the hands of a single sailor has to be the textbook definition of treason, on behalf of the sailor/arsonist, and criminal incompetence on levels not seen since McArthur's defense of the Philippines.
2:14 NJP and reprimand are just as bad... Your career is effectively over and they won't be allowed to reenlist or get promoted. Said since it's really on the Navy SEAL washout that ultimately did this. Odd, since being on a ship is nothing compared to being in BUDs or living the hard life as a Navy SEAL.
So a lack of training....State of California through there accredited degree in Educational Leadership and a degree in Firefighting also. Looks to me like a culture problem hatred toward mass degree education while favoring illegal aliens. Another example is many working in the support role do "engineering contracting" but you need a STEM DEGREE AND NOT A BUSINESS DEGREE certification from the Defense Acquisition University which also has a office in San Diego. Major culture problems as root cause.
Different in several ways, but equally embarassing. The Bonhomme Richard was damaged by arson, but not sunk, while in port. The Moskava was on patrol and should have been on battle stations, as the ship's radar was capable of detecting the missile. Both Embarrassing incidents by Navies once feared, but now eclipsed by the PLAN's naval buildup.
There's only 24 hours in the day and 'Woke' training takes up a lot of time. Woke training is done at the expense of Damage Control Training and in the case of those collisions at sea a few months back, Woke training was done at the expense of COLREGS (Collision Avoidance Regulations) training as well.
I knew the Military would come to this. Back in high school (I'm 26 now), when the ROTC recruiters came around, guess who signed up? Not the football kids or other athletes and not the honor roll kids, that's for sure. It was almost exclusively the nerdy kids. The ones you DONT want. They were mindless & obedient and couldn't wait to be seen as the tough guys. You know the idiots that always fall for the "Babe, let's get married so we don't have to live on base" trick. I kept thinking to myself, "I don't want THAT loser defending this country" every time I saw some overweight nerd in an ROTC uniform. They were universally mocked because they already demanded the same level of respect and reverence from the public as a decorated war hero. Looks like they ended up in the Navy. The Chair Force must have been full 😆
The real problem is that recruiters tell the story as soon you wear a uniform you are a Hero . After they made their pictures in uniform they Wanne go home again. In the Netherlands its all the same. Attracting new reqruits with Walt Disney Stories . After a while they see the true picture and lose interest
This is very embarrassing. I cannot believe that this happened to the navy ship while moored in port. This is rediculous. This is what happened when you inject too much liberalism in today's navy. Important life saving and crew readiness training are sometimes sacrificed because it hinders sailors quality of life. Hopefully, this Bonhomne Richard incident will prompt the Navy to overhaul policies, training, and readiness assertiveness.
Absolutely no excuse on this, I was a Damage Controlman and know what steps must be taken in shipboard fires. These idiots had no clue what they were doing and I'm glad a lot were held accountable BUT I'm also glad that the scapegoat the Admiral try to pin this fire on won the case. I always felt he was innocent.
listen to the Bilge Pumps podcast episode 70.. they break down the report on this fire. You will be sickened by this
Remember the uss lowa Hartwig case the navy blamed enlisted all the time and even tried to blame tailhook on us.
Absolutely right. Not everything can be learned sitting in a room in front of a computer screen.
And who has actual responsibility of the ship when in refit ? Difference between being at sea and in normal service, when in refit who has responsibility of the ship ? Think about it !!
The Navy has had numerous ships catch on fire, especially during WW 2. Yet here was a ship tied up with access to every fire suppression system available, yet the Navy could not save this vessel. I believe that the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet should be held accountable as well. For it is ultimately he whom is responsible for how effective his command is run.
This is one of the statements to which I cannot say yes, but also cannot say no. When you see an organization have failures that are just systemic, something is wrong in the leadership. For example, when you see a pro sports team never be even competitive when it has money to spend, and they change who is the head coach and general managers a few times, but nothing changes, then you need to blame ownership. With this ship and fire: the first sailor that noticed it appears to have ignored it; the captain was told of the fire via text message; no one on board never called the shoreside fire crews; and the shoreside and shipboard fire equipment did not work together without adapters, but neither had the adapters. The failures were not just on board, so maybe admirals are part of the problem.
And, this is not the Navy's only serious failure is recent years. The Fitzgerald and McCain collisions tell me that the problems probably originate much higher up than with the highest admiral disciplined for this incident. But, few will admit that ....
The Essex caught fire in the same yard in the same timeframe under similar circumstances but that crew was trained, ready and extinguished the fire before any real damage was done. Incidentally, NO B.S. criminal charges were filed against any "disgruntled" non-rates, unlike B.R.
@@brentbartley6838 The Woke Navy was definitely looking for (yet again) another scapegoat in the lower ranks. They did the same thing after the USS IOWA disaster back in 1989.
@@Harry-nn4px Woke has nothing to do with this case nor the Iowa turret explosion. Though you are right about the Navy looking for a scapegoat, not for the first time. The Command Investigation laid blame on systemic failures from the CO on down. Incidentally Seaman Recruit Mays was aquitted in setting the fire. But 2 years of his life were used up on this and his Navy career is effectively over.
@@Harry-nn4px The “WOKE” Navy? Tell me, just what do you think “Woke” means? Please don’t use made up terms by a political party that’s trying to create BS to put down the other political party. There’s no such word as “woke.” It was made up as just another scare tactic used by a certain political party in order to scare people into voting for them while they continue to lie and mislead the public. Once you begin to realize that, the sooner you’ll see through their BS. There’s NOTHING “WOKE” about our Navy unless you’re referring to the word awoke. And if that’s the case, yes yes, our Navy is awoke. That’s certainly better than being “ASLEEP.” Our Navy’s been awoke for years.
As far as the fire goes, the comment about all the automated fire fighting systems on board the USS Bonhomme Richard is NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE. While those systems certainly exist, in this case, they had been taken out of service by the shipyard employees who were upgrading the ship. Had the ship not been in a shipyard status, she most certainly would have survived this fire with minimal damage. Unfortunately, when ships are in the shipyards (or in this case, the shipyard came to the ship), the critical systems used to prevent or fight fires are often taken out of service. That means that none of those automated systems were available to the crew to put this fire out. Furthermore, all the ship’s fire doors would have been left wide open and couldn’t have been closed if they wanted to, because those hatches would have had electrical cables and welding gas lines running through them and tied up in the overheads of the ship’s passageways, making it IMPOSSIBLE TO CLOSE THOSE BOUNDARIES to prevent the spreading of the fire. Last, but certainly not least, I read several reports that stated that many of the fire hoses had been sliced open, rendering them useless.
Under normal circumstances, the fire fighting systems on board the WASP class LHDs is extremely robust and is designed to handle nearly any type of fire on board. But that’s when all those systems are fully available for use by the crew. These are very well designed, extremely robust ships, and are a major step forward from the Tarawa class that came before them. About the only negative aspect of these ships is the fact that they’re still powered by steam plants despite being built at the end of the 1980’s, and well into the 1990’s. They should have been built using gas turbines like all the other modern ships are, or better yet, perhaps they should have constructed them with nuclear power plants instead, as they’re very large ships as well.
But they not WOKE. Nor is the United States Navy.
It’s most interesting that the political party that coughed up that ridiculous term can’t define it themselves. If you ask every single Republican politician, you’ll get a completely different answer as to what “WOKE” is even supposed to mean.
A tremendous embarrassment is what the U.S. Navy deserves.
Blaming it on that sailor along is not a surprise, all branches of the military would use a low ranking individual or group as an scapegoat so it doesn't make the service branch look that bad.
He literally purposely caught the ship on fire. That’s arson no matter who you are
As a NAVY VET, this is a disgrace to the branch!! When I was on the USS Benfold, if you had duty, you had two drills!! One was a DC drill and the other was a topside drill. EVERYONE participated!! When we were in dry dock, junior sailors went to school. There also was a ships barge that the duty section (or whoever lived onboard) slept in. The ships nomenclature in REPAIR LOCKER 5 (main locker) should've been in that locker in case a fire or flood occurred so you know how to set primary, secondary boundries, etc......
Why didn't anyone ring bells to muster the flying squad??!! There's so many issues wrong here, I can go on and on. Where was the sound and security watch? The topside rovers?? I mean nobody noticed something wrong?? THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!
The CO, XO, DCA, DCC, OOD, CDO, CPO's both on duty, CMC, CHENG should ALL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!! They're senior guys that have the knowledge and experience. Don't blame this shit on a junior guy. Not surprised but that's the NAVY TODAY!!! All political. This entire command knows it and it showed!!
Lol. Yeah because the way we conduct ourselves around the globe is respectable and how we treat our citizens are respectable lol.
This country was a disgrace as soon as it elected Ronald Reagan.
As soon as it elected Donald Trump this country lost hope.
Get ready for authoritarianism on full blast baby.
And if it was up to the average American we wouldn't even have a military anymore because that's a form of socialism. Lol
Those people that you cited are not magicians. They are up against a Woke President, Congress, Secretary of Defense; the list goes on. There is a reason why all the branches have a chronic shortage Service Members. We are in big trouble.
If a shipyard and their contractors almost finished a multi million dollar project , they might hope on a next project to follow. I just learned how many crew members comite suïcide when their ship is in Port. Did you follow these ships and all what happened while they where in the Docks ? Compared to other countries US navy ships seem to attract fire.
I bet alot of the sailors wore an EWSW pin but yet were poorly trained
I imagine that there must've been only Duty Section.
Still BS that nobody saw it in time but, I assume it wasnt fully manned while in a 2 hear overhaul period. May have been only those on Duty, so no Flying Squad unless a member or two was available that day.
To lose a ship on the high seas in battle is one thing,
but to lose a ship in port at one of the largest Navy bases in the world is inexcusable.
It was obvious, the Navy Command planned containment and not actually putting out the fire.
Treating it like a training exercise parading sailors in fire suits into the ship.
I knew it was a total loss just by the fire response on day one.
Still remember the smell of burnt electrical transformers to this day.
this is Philadelphia Experiment type stuff
Was stationed on the ship next to it, saw the smoke on my way to work. Half our ship helped fight the fire. There is alot more to this story then the navy can tell but alot is coming to light.
There goes another couple billion dollars. Some more families put into poverty.
@@melgibson3287 I guess you don't live in San Diego, a county that not only hire illegal aliens they work in the shipyard by "identity thieving people." In fact, it as if they were not only "naval people with experience." More head should role...PS some of the companies apparently declared bankrupcty, closed division and/or switch locations...
@@rgloria40 I think what you're trying to explain but you don't know how because you're trying to be stereotypical while you're doing it and have your own personal agenda without any facts to back, is low road capitalism because that's what you're explaining low road capitalism and not just San Diego participates in Low road capitalism I'd like to let you know that America participates in Low road capitalism.
You are also explaining how Donald Trump conducts his business as well of along with many many other powerful CEOs in the nation or just small company owners. See you're not mad at San Diego and you're not mad at the people you're mad in general the ideology of or form of capitalism and what it brings to the table and how it manifests in our society. Unfortunately in America we have fooled people to thinking capitalism is the same thing as a social ideology which It Isn't So Americans think all forms of socialism is bad but yet capitalism is good but yet they like democracy which is a socialist ideology see Americans are very confused and you're no different.
The only social ideology that capitalism can form within its ideology is authoritarianism just to let you know that and that's exactly where America's headed if you look at it taking away rights not giving rights.
@@melgibson3287 You should hide under someone else name... I think you don't understand society in general. Every society has to go to cycles to maintain stability. The world is competition of countries therefore it is logical every place is other place you live is not for you. Good for you live you live where you wan to live.
@@rgloria40 yeah I don't think you actually read what I commented to you. So I'll make very basic for ya.
Quick basic questions.
Is capitalism an economic ideology or social ideology?
Is democracy a Socialist ideology or an Economic one?
Capitalism and democracy is oil and water.
That's why you use capitalism as a tool to generate an economy and then control it with a socialist ideology to protect your people's rights as human beings. You don't use capitalism as a form of socialism because it will turn into authoritarianism. And there is nothing you can say or think that will change that fact. You see Americans are not educated enough to know the difference.
That's why I'm talking foreign to you. 😉
Can we sue the govt for inhaling these toxic fumes for 5 days? As people living in surrounding neighborhoods. You could smell these toxins all around you.
@Orbital Cooker This has been going on for decades in San Diego Bay, Golden hill, national city. 32nd Street NAVY ship yards polluting the neighborhoods with heavy metals.
What about all the ppl who had no choice but to breathe in all the toxic smoke ????
Exactly. During excessive heat sat baking in house unable to open windows no a/c, if you stepped outside within a minute would get light headed and that was almost lemon grove I can’t imagine those who were closer
Is there some sort of medical follow up program ? Thousands of troops suffer from the Burnpits around the world so it would open some eyes if people involved with these fires show the same Medical problems. The foam to extinguish the fire is full of PFAS .
Very sad attempt at journalism. Note reported. There was no Navy fire department near the ships. The ship was in port for a major overhaul. No Officers, Navy chiefs, civilian contractors or enlisted crew on board. . It was a week end. A lot of could have, should have was not accomplished.
Lung cancer rates up due to the cancerous toxins in the smoke colume path. Inland get examined .
Cancer rates among US troops are all time high on many different locations around the world. Polluted drinking water, Burnpits and ship fires might be that rocket Engine behind these high cancer rates.
They are framing that sailor for burning that ship down, because the Navy pins the blame on low-ranking enlisted all the fucking time. I was raped while deployed in 2005 and when I attempted to report my assault on the USS Princeton, I was framed with housing allowance fraud (during a divorce I was going through when I qualified for single housing allowance) in order to discredit my rape reports. The same deployment covered up another rape and two negligent manslaughters. That man going to trial did not cause that catastrophe, but if you convict him, you have created somebody who will. Thanks for keeping the US stocked with future terrorists.
Its a red Wire across the US defence system. Half of the world still has that View on the US troops of being the best there is. But if i read and see all the problems that are spread over all these years i am shocked. Also in cases of sexual assault it seems to be covered up for years . The problem could be just as big as in the Catholic Church. If the story comes up they respond with a transfer to buried the story
The sailor court martialed was found NOT guilty. Christopher
Wow. Blaming the firefighters lol. No wonder this navy is complete garbage. That dude should be recycled along with the hull ...
I was in the US Navy, so if your confined to your quarters then you have in fact lost your liberty.
Hit by Houthis missiles???
The Navy will always try to blame someone whether the charged are guilty or not
It’s funny how people forgot about this incident when they were blaming Russians having poor fire extinguisher system while US lost a whole heli carrier to fire while in port
literally 2 years later..the fact is that we will never know what happened there
i wonder what is their consequences
This sounds exactly like a typical Navy scapegoat exercise. The loss of the ship was down to poor management by senior Naval Officers. The start of the fire is irrelevant and any individual involved with that can be dealt with as a separate item. However, the absence of planning and expertise to deal with any fire is not irrelevant. There was clearly no plan to deal handle a fire during refit when many of the firefighting facilities may be decommissioned. This should have been in the project plan and steps taken to supplement the system where items were out of use. There was clearly not experienced firefighting officer in charge at the time. It took them far too long to start suppressing the fire. Yes 2 dozen officers and sailors are being punished and some of them may be senior but this is a system failure both at local level and from the top
sailor was found INNOCENT
Billions to build a ship . Zero dollars for smoke detectors .
Clearly you've never been on a active navy vessel .
@@Mrtoastyy
4 yrs clearly
Grape vein unconfirmed
A sailor on duty saw a white haze smoke . she said didn't smell smoke so did not report it .
@@markstanich64 I highly doubt you have 4 years of service on a vessel nice try tho
Smoke detectors were turned off due to the amount of hot work being performed by contracters
@@markstanich64 if you shut of detectors a human fire guard should watch in every room that is worked on. By the time you see the smoke coming from another room it might be to late to fight the fire.
These "punishments" were merely slaps on the wrist. "Career ending"-? Retire earlier or at a lower grade. Big Deal.
To my knowledge, that's the second Bonhomme Richard that's bit the dust. Perhaps the navy might want to retire that name.
The first one sank after a ferocious fight in which it was victorious.
where is she now?
This ship DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY FIRE FIGHTING SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AVAILABLE. Because in this case, NONE WERE AVAILABLE. They had all been taken off line to be upgraded. Therefore, those systems were NOT available. The fire had to be fought manually. That’s men manning fire hoses. Furthermore, the ship’s fire fighting boundaries had all been compromised by electrical cables and gas lines that were run throughout the ship for the shipyard workers. When ships are in a shipyard situation, they are at their most vulnerable to fires. In the case of this particular ship, they had used the lower vehicle storage deck to store materials from all the various different offices throughout the ship’s 2nd deck. That’s the largest single deck of the ship’s interior. It resides just below the flight deck, and above the hangar deck. That’s where all the ship’s various offices, officers’ country, intelligence spaces, Combat Information Center, and the ship’s commander’s/staff’s staterooms are all located. The next deck down, just forward of the hangar deck, is the ship’s hospital facilities. And below that, forward of the hanger, are the mess decks, kitchen, CPO Mess, and crew/Marine berthing spaces.
Having been a Plankowner and served on board the USS ESSEX (LHD 2) for 5 years, I have a thorough memory of the layout of this class of ship, including all the lower decks and engineering spaces. That’s because I was the Commander of the Ship’s Self Defense Force. We did drills in various locations throughout the ship, often times with the light turned off, forcing security force members to gain a much more detailed understanding of their surroundings so that they would have a huge advantage over any threat that might arise.
On the Friday before the fire I received a news alert that said a prank call or email stating that a Navy Aircraft Carrier was on fire around 4pm that Friday. I had just gotten off of work and heading home going past the airport. I saw no fire so thought it was indeed a prank.
I think it was someone bragging of what they were GOING TO DO! I talked to base security on 32nd street near the ship, but they ignored me.
Hopefully most of them are their superiors.
AS A NAVAL FIRE FIGHTER AVIATION CHIEF I HAD AN INPORT, FIRE KNOCKED IT DOWN WITH TRAINING , WITH THE CREW RESPONDING IMMEDIATELY. MARSHALL
Really concerning the lack of training on a fighting ship. If incompetence is stateside can’t imagine out on the high seas
The whole damn thing was fucked up from the beginning
This is what happens when you gun deck your paperwork and PMS and training. And you blame the lowest seaman. You can find its called the blame game. No leader ship.
A real statement as to our now woke Navy’s poor state of readiness. Hopefully they got their pronouns correct.
That was the waranchored ship the Marines used in Operation Neptune's Spear
Things are quite different while in port, and the crew tends to be lower, people aren't so serious, only the people on duty are somewhat prepared to fight a fire, and they expect the shore fire patrol to help. If this happened while at sea and general quarters was called they probably would have fight the fire correctly. While ships are in maintenance periods there tends to be messes everywhere, contractors welding here and there, crew on leave or doing training in some classes off of the ship, etc etc. Way too easy to have a fire started by accident or by electrical faults.
If the fire investigator had actually done his job, perhaps the cause be determined.
To not collect debris from the point of origin and seal it and then properly test it is just guessing !
To not test those batteries and their packing material when the are a known source of a multitude of fires. Even a cell phone fire has cause an emergency landing on aircraft.
To say the fire control was not properly trained is another scapegoat.
To not bring into question the previous fire several days before is unforgettable.
Yeah, there is plenty of blame to go around.
A ship out of control. Storage out of control.
Leaving the Captain in place while the investigation (NOT) underway - out of control.
And you folks think the Bonhomme Richard is the only example of the entire Navy out of control?
Was the CAPT, XO and engineering officers have Advance STEM Degree or did they have MBA....for Acquisition Purposes... Looks like ManPower did not assign the right people leading to lost of 4.5 billion dollar F35B carrier. Another example, I saw a training job but they did not list the requirement to have Basic Seamanship, Fire Fighting and etc. Looks to me lip service to Advance STEM DEGREES let along a basic STEM degree.
Its not normal how many US navy ships caught fire during repairs and maintenance. Its easy money for companies that are hired to fix these ship 2 times on the same boatyards. But on the other hand what happens with a crew who,s ship is at the Docks to fix them or upgrade them ? Are some crew members risk it all so they can stay at home instead of sailing the world to some New conflict zones. I never looked into this story of fires but compared to other countries the US Navy ships look to attract fire. Is it a billion dollar fraud , by contractors that want to double their money ? Are their craftsmen that want to be sure of their income with a million dollar project.
iN THE HISTORY OF MARITIME TRAVEL, THE CAPTAIN IS ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPEN TO HIS/HER SHIP....EXCEPT THIS GUY. iT PAYS TO BE A RANKING mASON.
All cumbustables, and amo should of been removed, they're lucky the ship didn't blow up and capsize. The officers in charge are held liable , there are to many laxed personel in the Navy, blaming some one else for there responsiblity.
So much for the storied traditions of the US Navy, losing a ship in port, at dock by the hands of a single sailor has to be the textbook definition of treason, on behalf of the sailor/arsonist, and criminal incompetence on levels not seen since McArthur's defense of the Philippines.
You voted for Biden.
2:14 NJP and reprimand are just as bad...
Your career is effectively over and they won't be allowed to reenlist or get promoted.
Said since it's really on the Navy SEAL washout that ultimately did this.
Odd, since being on a ship is nothing compared to being in BUDs or living the hard life as a Navy SEAL.
Or living in our neighborhood inhaling these toxic fumes for over 5 days.
They will probably identity theft someone......again. In fact, we live in a border town and this county hide illegal aliens like a mother fucker.
At least the Moskva sunk in fashion for 30 years old ship.
The Old story goes Shit rolls down Hill and they blame a lowly seaman and He is found Not Guilty Now Who are they going to blame?
This is happens when gun deck your PMS and safety and your promote your friend's.
Scrap metal
So a lack of training....State of California through there accredited degree in Educational Leadership and a degree in Firefighting also. Looks to me like a culture problem hatred toward mass degree education while favoring illegal aliens. Another example is many working in the support role do "engineering contracting" but you need a STEM DEGREE AND NOT A BUSINESS DEGREE certification from the Defense Acquisition University which also has a office in San Diego. Major culture problems as root cause.
What the Hell did you write?
How about when you laugh at Moskava ship hit by neptune .
For every action there is equal and opposite reaction 😂
Incident and Accident 🤣🤣
Different in several ways, but equally embarassing. The Bonhomme Richard was damaged by arson, but not sunk, while in port. The Moskava was on patrol and should have been on battle stations, as the ship's radar was capable of detecting the missile. Both Embarrassing incidents by Navies once feared, but now eclipsed by the PLAN's naval buildup.
There's only 24 hours in the day and 'Woke' training takes up a lot of time. Woke training is done at the expense of Damage Control Training and in the case of those collisions at sea a few months back, Woke training was done at the expense of COLREGS (Collision Avoidance Regulations) training as well.
Its a karma hehe
Davis-love, artoyos, fbi codeword or no!
Nose that shu is called letting be out ride.😊
I knew the Military would come to this.
Back in high school (I'm 26 now), when the ROTC recruiters came around, guess who signed up? Not the football kids or other athletes and not the honor roll kids, that's for sure. It was almost exclusively the nerdy kids. The ones you DONT want. They were mindless & obedient and couldn't wait to be seen as the tough guys.
You know the idiots that always fall for the "Babe, let's get married so we don't have to live on base" trick.
I kept thinking to myself, "I don't want THAT loser defending this country" every time I saw some overweight nerd in an ROTC uniform. They were universally mocked because they already demanded the same level of respect and reverence from the public as a decorated war hero.
Looks like they ended up in the Navy. The Chair Force must have been full 😆
And what have you done for a living if not serve the country?
Acquitted like OJ 😂
@@bigpop3170 part time McDonald’s fry cook
The real problem is that recruiters tell the story as soon you wear a uniform you are a Hero . After they made their pictures in uniform they Wanne go home again. In the Netherlands its all the same. Attracting new reqruits with Walt Disney Stories . After a while they see the true picture and lose interest
@@Ndw1995 lmao, thank you for your fries.
This is very embarrassing. I cannot believe that this happened to the navy ship while moored in port. This is rediculous. This is what happened when you inject too much liberalism in today's navy. Important life saving and crew readiness training are sometimes sacrificed because it hinders sailors quality of life. Hopefully, this Bonhomne Richard incident will prompt the Navy to overhaul policies, training, and readiness assertiveness.
It's unreachable by our enemies. Congratulations to our dumb shipmate. You just scored 1 kill. You deserved to sit in jail.