This kinda reminds me of how you can propose to Queen Annalise of the Vilebloods in Bloodborne, using a special ring you find. She turns you down tho, so that plotline just deadends there
@@ProjectOrionGaming kill him after you got the emote that is the only way to get his armor set, which imo look pretty fashionable especially on female character.
While there are some elements of this quest that I don't understand (Why is Patches at the Shaded Castle? How should the player know to look for him there? Why does he fake his own death?), I do believe it is actually finished. Patches' allegiance to Rykard and the Volcano Manor was secondary to his devotion to Tanith herself. He admired her for who she was as an individual, and the castanets are a symbol of what she meant to him. He wants to return them to her so she can remember who she is. Sadly it is too late for Tanith, for the woman Patches admired is fully lost to the allure of the great serpent, just like Rykard before her. And so, having learned absolutely nothing from his journey across the Lands Between, Patches' story ends in the exact same place it began. I'm sure his odyssey will continue in Fromsoft's next title.
Tbh I always felt like patches was just trolling you with the castanets and that it was kind of a playful jab at those kinds of quests. Realistically, giving someone a mundane item wouldn't cause a massive shift in their personality. I think he just wanted a clean break from volcano manor now that Rykard was dead and since you were technically the last member of the recusants...
7:50 - Honestly, I can't think of anything more fitting of the character Patches than a quest that leads nowhere. Honestly kinda feels like a purposeful troll.
I always thought that was the point of it, the narrative unsettling bit you mentioned, and just an unrequited lament from Patches' heart to a woman he loved at a distance. You bringing his totem of nostalgia and hope into a scene of gruesome, near-cannibalistic insanity is a pretty cool juxtaposition. I like the silent way this quest ends. And if I am to believe the things known about Miyazaki, it is very intentional.
2:30 you can find him and speak to him crouched here before he kicks you off. He says something along the lines of “you see those stones there, they lead to treasure”
Funnily enough, in the DLC you will encounter the spirit of a Dancer in a tomb, and her dress and abilitys hint to be connected to Lady Tanith, but that so far has amounted in nothing...EDIT: Also, forgot to mention: The Spirit of the dancer has almost the same face model as Tanith, hinting that she might be a sister or some sort of relative.
How about this: the quest is finished. The NPC just refuse the item. Sometimes you have to think in terms of storytelling instead of mechanics and reflect on what it means.
he finally cared about someone other then himself and it was one sided, which is life, im glad patches got to love someone other then himself even if it was sad, its just the growing of the character since armored core
IMO the point of the final bit of the quest is to point the player into looking for where Tanith has gone. Most people who don’t read guides will just assume she’s poofed from the game. This gives the player an opportunity to kill her, then her knight. With the final reward being an incantation. Patches himself is always just a shady vendor in all his games with the exception of DS3.
He doesn’t sell anything in Bloodborne either. He gives some advice at a few points, gives the obligatory shove off a cliff (since his spindly legs aren’t strong enough to kick you), and at the end of his questline you can get an emote and a nifty rune (2nd best blood echoes boost +15%)
@@secretintrovert I’m aware. What I meant is that in DS3 he is more than just a shady vendor. He gets a fairly lengthy questline in the DLC and is not at all a vendor there. Only in Firelink Shrine.
The strange thing about it is that it feels like there's a connection between the castanets and the Dancer's gear that you get in the DLC. It's just not quite there.
well, the last part where he appears at shaded castle was added in a patch maybe like 2 or 3 weeks after launch, same with the jarburg quest and the end of the house oslow guy's quest in jarlsburg
@@shredenvain7 yeah, they released it in a patch after the launch of the base game, adding a couple of other quests, as well as adding a couple of npcs to summon for different bosses that were not there at launch
Pretty easy to miss. I didn’t come across that cutscene until about my 7th playthrough. I just got used to getting to the Volcano Manor by having Raya teleport me. Once you talk to Tanith, save at the Manor, and go to the hallway, Patches will be there, which cuts out that event if you go back to the spot on the hillside. Logically, once you’ve already been to the manor, there’s no reason for him to give you the kick/warning not to go there 🤷♀️
I came back to the game due to the DLC and thinking patches had died from his wounds back at the shaded castle only to go check his cave and find him alive almost 2 years later. It kind of made me happy, so I left him alive.
I feel like this quest really concludes the Patches strory throughout the series. Once started as a heatheaded cleric hating thug, he encountered multiple people with ambitions just like him only to see them fail and fade. He witnessed the end of many eras, many worlds collapsed. There is no more hate, just a silly little trickster we see in ds3. But in ER he found something different, a love, something he never felt before, notice how different he acts around Vulcano Manor, Patches would never work for anyone. But the love was unanswered, Tanith has gone mad and didn't even recognize the gesture of reminding her past that quite literally might have been the last thing Patches done in his life. But he went over it, collected himself and came the full circle to the state that was suggested to him by his guts - a silly little Patchee, who sells goods and keeps you on your toes with his shenanigans. A truly happy end for me
After encountering him again in his cave he does sell something “new” the fan daggers are UNLIMITED. Daggers are useful for consistently keeping the stance poise of an enemy low. The fan daggers are spread with each use making it hard for enemies to dodge them. But you can also KILL him, take is bell bearing, and take it to the twin sisters at round table so you can buy them anytime you want. But finally you can teleport to the shaded castle and find him at his dying last breath and you can pick up him bell bearing there.
When Patches called tarnished a beggar, after killing a Tragoth, I've had this stupid thought: "What if we just forget about the reward and continue with the questline?" Will patches put use to the candlestick? Or will he remind about it somehow later?
Patches is a simp (for Tanith) and even in her final breath she still rejects him because she simps for Rykard who only crave powaaa (devouring gods). It was a full-blown circle Simps Emporium. He doesn't want you to come to the Manor because it will risk you killing Rykard (and Tanith). Patches is a Tarnished, he knew you better. But still he keep throwing hard missions in hoping for you to get killed or give up (or forgot).
It's not unfinished. That IS the "quest." It's not a real quest. It's Patches being Patches. He FAKES a heroic death to give you the castanets (he dies in one hit when he slumps after you get it). He's trying to start over, so he sends you far away after his death and tries to use the opportunity to go back to his old ways is all. Patches is just Patches
That's just the end of the quest bro. Bringing Tanith the castanets sends Patches to his final (first) location, leaving him right back where he started when you first met him
Except that’s not required. I had already killed Tanith when Patches gave me the castanets to give to her. He still went back to the cave. I think you just need to meet him there and get the castanets in order for him to move and set up shop.
@@firey5 if she's still alive he won't appear in the cave until you visit her. I'd like there to be more secrets to be found but I'm not holding my breath. Dataminers have already picked everything apart and it doesn't look like there's any additional content that hasn't been found
The Emote IS the reward. Not every quest HAS to give you some big epic reward. Remember. This is Patches. He is MEANT to mess with you. So the fact that after such a long roundabout quest, you only get an emote makes perfect sense. Y'all looking to hard for answers to questions that aren't there. Lol
Castanets used by dancers from foreign lands. That only makes me think of the Dancer of Ranah that is on the DLC. I messed up patches quest line in my game, and also already beat the Dancer, so I cannot try this. I think It could be worth a try, to bring it and try giving it to her, but who knows. Mmmh, what if you go to Tanith wearing the dress you get from the dancer, haha,
I got the castanets, went to rykard's, equipped the whole dancer stuff and weapon and talked to Tanith, got the same dialogues, gave her the castanets, and then nothing. She is still telling she's needs time to eat his head. I rest at the grace and make time pass like 10 days, nothing more....
I then choose to kill her and her bodyguard, but I'm still wondering, is there any moment where she finishes eating his head ? I think the castanets disappeared from my bag when I gave it to her. Killing her doesn't let you get the castanets back.
It would blow my mind if there was somehow more to this quest, but sadly, I don’t think that’s possible. With all the data mining on top of the 2 1/2 years of consistent player base, we would have found it by now. It’s likely the spiritual successor of the Pendant from DS1. There still being a hidden Miquella ending / alt DLC story piece. That’s a conspiracy I can almost don a tin foil hat for. Something definitely got cut from the DLC . There’s clearly a cutscene at the end of the 1st gameplay reveal trailer, that shows Miq raising his arm to the Scadu Tree. No one has discovered what that cutscene is for. So likely cut content, but who knows.
To get the secret ending, you have to no hit Radahn's first phase. Then, when he enters second phase (with Miquella is on his back) you have to stop attacking. Dodge everything but the grab attack. After you have the glowing bowtie above your head, you have to be using the "Let us go together" gesture while being grabbed a second time. The dialogue changes, your heart isn't stolen, and you go into the Age of Compassion end scene.
@@overlorddante I heard that if you damage Radhan just enough, at the right time, and during the hug attack; he does his jump for his meteor attack while holding you. However, instead of crashing back down to the arena, you guys land on the moon where there's a hidden Olive Garden legacy dungeon filled with unlimited breadsticks that allow you to respec your character as much as you want. Oh and the final boss Godwyn.
I mean the dancer's castanets does technically serve a purpose, unlocking new dialogue, and it feels kinda fitting that a questline of the Patches's would have no real reward
This all makes perfect sense to my head canon. Patches the Untethered, Lokiesque trickster god connecting the Soulsborne multiverse gives you a quest that makes you go through oversteps just to leave you frustrated. Very Patches indeed. But hey, it nets the iconic emote!
That’s a meta take, I like it. The takeaway for me is that Patches the trickster was able to move on. Tanith the sycophant wasn’t. 🤷🏻♂️ It seems to a lot of people like a bit of sentimental connection, like maybe patches had some interest or even a romantic past with her, but it’s really just classic patches playing his trickster role, making fun of Tanith, inviting her to go back to her lowly status (like he does). In bringing up her past as a dancer, making light of the situation, he’s poking fun at them both having to be “untethered” again, from the Manor. Tanith dismisses this subtle invitation to let go. We can kill her and her knight and get the crucible incantation from it. Just because the wiki suggests there might be another step doesn’t mean one was intended. From patches perspective it makes sense. From Tanith’s perspective it makes sense. Tanith was a power obsessed toady, who couldn’t let go. Patches, as unscrupulous as he may be, has always been independent and resistant to that kind of “serve this true lord” indoctrination. This seems to be the intention/moral behind this quest line, imho. You get an emote and an incant. What more do people want? Closure? Hopefully this investigation is enough to offer that. But I love the meta-take you’re offering here as well, finding ways to keep the player guessing and interpreting, searching for meaning (just like IRL)- something fromsoft does very well in the souls games in general.
He opens up shop in the cave if you revisit right after, or just quit out and reload the game. There is additional dialogue, and and additional trap chest that transports you right next to some Rune Bears, he'll give the "calm down" gesture if you return afterwards (he'll give this one later). Also if you attack him 3 times in the cave with a weak weapon he'll turn hostile again; after he gets you under half health he'll give you the "grovel for mercy" gesture. You can use this to end the battle or let him kill you to remove his hostility towards you. So in order to unravel it, we have to start with doing the beginning steps to his quest line correctly and unlocking his all dialogue/items/interactions.
After the whole quest line you can also attack patches until he attacks back and then let him hit you until your low. He will then give you a new emote, that you have to perform for him to stop attacking you. The emote is extreme repentence, I think.
Use the Patches emote in the second phase of Consort Radahn fight. You have to use it right at the moment Miquella uses his grab attack. If you time it right, he will stop and then recognize you as the true consort. He’ll ditch Radanhn and turn you into his new simp.
I think you should wear Consort's Set, or at least mask to prove that you kill his love interest and see how he react. If it does nothing, it will be a great disappointment.
I know in Vaatividya’s video he mentions that the Dancer of Rannah is likely Tanith in her old form, maybe the questline has something to do with Dancer of Rannah. Maybe you have to wear her full set and then try giving the castanets to Tanith or something
According to Miyazaki, there is one small element of Elden Ring that has not been discovered. Maybe its related to Patches Questline?? Would be really cool
@@ShinStriderHiryu he’s definitely trolling. He’s done this multiple times before where he just deliberately gives out wing information because he thinks it’s funny. Honestly I love the dynamic he has with the player base.
The first time I found that machine I killed it. I recalled Patches' line about the thing and how it takes you to Volcano Manor, which I could not seem to find, so I reloaded and let the thing take me. Wrong bucket of bolts. Later I found out I walked right up to the manor and thought I hit a dead end because I didn't turn the corner
All of the quests in this game have disappointing endings. I can't help but to think they were going to follow up with this and never did, since the Castanets WERE added in a Patch. This is very suspicious, are we sure they haven't secretly added something to this? 🤔🤔🤔
Tanith is from Ranah, which is where the Dancer of Ranah character in the DLC is from. If you look at the items that are related to the dancer, you will see the same castanets (Dancer's Castanets).
You skipped the part where you go back to his cave, he has opened his shop there, and eve. Has a new chest. One he says is for someone else. If you open it he insults you as a mist pops out of it and it teleports you somewhere else
Love that we are getting lore videos from base Elden Ring still. Keep up the good work. I’m 50 50 on this one. My gut tells me it is finished but obviously I want it to be carried forward maybe in the next dlc (because obviously we are getting two more dlc’s for this game)
8:03 You have to reach the end of the quest to get the reward. Strike Tanith to summon her guard for the last fight and subsequent reward in the questline.
Really good video! One miiinor thing I'd like to mention is that whenever you stop talking, the switch from your commentary, to no sound, is a little bit jarring. It most likely has to do with the small background noise in your commentary being suddenly cut off and casting the listener into this complete silence, but it is a little noticeable. I'd reccomend maybe leaving a little bit of dead air after finishing talking and leaving that in before switching to the next bit of audio (Elden Ring clip, next commentary take) so the transition isn't as noticeable. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
Guess now all we have left to do is going back to Patches' cave fully dressed in Ranah dancer's set to provide him at least comforting dance performance.
I did see something new a little bit after the DLC came out, after you give the castanets in older versions he just dies and drops his armour at the shaded castle but after the DLC (not sure which patch) he goes back to the cave you meet him in for the first time.
Yeah, it didn't sit well with me either, but to be fair, which FromSoft NPC quest really has a satisfying ending? Igon might be the only one! And many would argue against that as well. In this case specifically though, here's how I look at it to make it more palatable: In Tanith's case, think of it as a chance to release her from her misery and get some items as rewards, or let he wallow in pain and craziness as her comeuppance. And as for Patches, he has always been taken pride in living outside the system with no true allegiance to anyone or anything. And true to form, after all is said and done, he goes back to business as usual. Honestly, he might have the best ending among the NPCs 😄
@@Dr.UldenWascht I really like this comment. You really went deep into the lore and the character arc and design. I'm thinking patches is special to from soft, since he is the only recurring character and he is in almost every game.
I liked the video but honestly I think the quest gave its rewards my friend. You get both Magmawhip Candle stick and the bull goat armor as rewards. A very unique whip and the best full armor for stats in the game. Then you get his croutch and I believe now with the DLC we get why the dancers castenets were included. Like that one shield it was a glimpse into what the DLC would hold, what a "battle dancer" looked like and why patches fell for her.
things like this and the similar thing in Bloodborne with the "ring of betrothal" feels like its more for world building/fleshing out a character. we are used to everything in games having some sort of purpose so when there is an expectation due to consistency, it feels "unfinished" when that gets changed up in that kind of way.
Two thoughts: Use crouch emote near Tannith to either reset some variable/spur a respose, then interact, or somehow interact while crouching Or Try to give castanets back to Patches.
@@TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike I have actually tried both things, there is something that happens if you kill Tanith, a crucible knight will spawn and fight you, but that's it.
@@ProjectOrionGaming Werd. That other suggestion regarding the "dancer" character seemed plausible as well, but I'm otherwise stumped... Though... Maybe something to do with the Lion Dancers/hornsent grandam? Wear the Lion head with Tannith?
Like a lot of people are saying, this could just be a moreso story-arc type of quest line. To be completely fair, most of patches’ quests across the fromsoft series are very similar. They usually only result in story beats with maybe some minor rewards every now and then. This quest does feel a bit underwhelming when compared to the his quest in ds3, where you had to access an entire secret area to finish it, but what can you do.
I suspect the dancing lady from the DLC met Tanith and left her instrument to her as a form of pleadge to the volcano manor before leaving to complete her contracts leading her to the shadow of the erdtree realm part.
Wow how have I never figured out there was another step to patches quest line, I'm on a new play thru and I'm at the end of the manor quest, I have to do that final step. That's why I love this game 2 years later, and I'm still finding new things in the game, crazy.
Seeing as the Quests "Ends" where it began maybe its about a repeating cycle and u either have to meet him again at the places u met him before or u actually have to go into NG+ and give the Dancer Item to Tanith before killing Rykard. If the Item actually survives the journey into NG+, which i doubt but FS has done stranger stuff
Volcano Manor in general is intriguing. Why patches simps for Tanith? how did he end up with the castanets? why Tanith doesn't accept them? was she related to the dancers of Ranah from the DLC, since the castanets say they are from a distant land? where did Tanith AND Rya go, even if you search the whole map, you never see any hint of any of the 2 after you're done there. Michael Zaki sir, please give answers. Send elden ring 2 or a 2nd DLC.
The problem is getting Tanith to finish eating. In one of my ng+ I found her done with the body but she only groans. I didn't do the patches stuff in that one.
The quest wasn't in the game at launch. Patches just vanished from the game once you did Volcano manor. They added the shaded castle stuff after a patch and then patched him into going back to his cave afterwards. So it's unfinished and they patched in another step then left it unfinished still.
You could open the chest in the cave after the initial fight with him there, just reload at a grace. I dont believe you should go there at the end because he sells margit shackle which hellps with the bossfight.
Seems to me more likely that Tanith has connections to the shaded castle and the inhabitants there. The mention of dances makes me think she has even further roots back in the land of shadow to some degree at least learning her arts there. Patches risked his life and almost lost it, very out of character for the man who shows up to fight rhadan and then just says mmmmm not for me. He even says so himself "I should have stuck to what i know" Now consider that if he went out of his way to go to the shaded castle to retrieve a musical instrument that was beloved to her to try and bring her back to her senses, nearly died, and was shown no praise or anything for his actions, all he received in return was a cold careless response of leave me be in return showing that the tanith he knew is already lost to him and his time at the castle cannot be saved. The volcano manor has fallen. So he does just that.. He returned to what he knew, untethered again, searching for the next group of people that will allow him in. Kinda sounds finished to me. Edit: fixed some parts where I spelled Tanith with 2 n's
Wait what???!!!! I believed I knew EVERYTHING about the base game and I didn't knew that Patches actually returns to his cave and that you can get that emote... This game really never ends giving a little something. Best use for $60 ever in my life!
You missed some steps mate you can get another emote if you go back to him after fighting him the first time, if you fight him again and let him take you to low health you can ask him for forgiveness and hell spare you and give the extreme repentance emote
It’s just to get the patches squat. Pretty much. That’s how it was with patches in dark souls. He is one of the few npc’s that never had a tragic ending, or a really great reward or anything either. In Elden ring they just kept his Easter egg theme.
This quest was *Not* in the game since launch. It wasn’t even a full quest until the update that fixed the map that showed a non-existent road just west of Stormveil around the cliffs.
Maybe there is an interaction with the oil of Rannah from the DLC, since it is theorized that Tannith and the NPC you kill to get this item are from the same culture
if you kill tanith her bodyguard invades you and you get the third aspect of the crucible. that's the ultimate reward. she moves somewhere where she can be killed, rykard's arena.
It is most plausible that the Castanets are truely useless, that they are only good for the failed try of giving them to Tanith, that unlike Patches wishes, Tanith cannot be the woman she once was. But then there is stuff in games which is found only until much later, like the Souls Ritual in Diablo 2 LoD, which was found maybe in 2017 or so, the game being from 2000. It was directly coded into the game and found while disassmebling, it was not visible in the regular game data files. So while very unlikely, the Castanets could still lead to something.
If you kill Tanith, her knight shows up and you receive Aspect of the Crucible: Breath from defeating him. That's your reward for completing the quest. Fextralife is just silly and leaving things open ended because the item doesn't get consumed upon "use," so maybe there's something else. You gotta remember that they don't work for Fromsoft and they're just figuring it out as they go. But you do use the Dancer's Castanets to obtain lore about Rykard and the ritual or rite of some sort that forces Tanith to consume the carcass. Maybe so the Serpent God can be reborn through Tanith? Either way, it tells the story of how Tanith was once a graceful dancer before she was seduced by the power of the Serpent God. With Fromsoft, it's more about the journey than the destination.
You say it’s unsolved, but it shows the solved quest. You get the squat from Patches, he goes back to being a vendor or you can then kill him, and it also lets you know that Tanith still exists after evacuating the manor, and you can attack her to fight her crucible knight companion for extra goodies. Much like the trickster himself, Patches’ quest ends unsatisfying to those who don’t connect with the character
This kinda reminds me of how you can propose to Queen Annalise of the Vilebloods in Bloodborne, using a special ring you find. She turns you down tho, so that plotline just deadends there
It was worth a try ;_;
Just need to give her enough Blood Dregs... Been giving them to her for almost 10 years... anyday now...
@@lonelyshpee7873simp
Not just a ring you find. It's a ring that is probably the most rare item in all of FromSoft's library, not just Bloodborne.
The true reward is the ability to squat like Patches
i mean, it was like that on dark souls 3 tho!!!
Maybe do the Patches squat for Tannith? Show her what she's missing?
The so called slav squat
@@666Kacahis heels are touching the ground
@@SyntheticShinobiThat’s what makes it a proper slav squat. If his heels didn’t touch the ground he’d be a western spy.
The final reward is you get to kill Patches for wasting your time.
@@jonathanprince707 If you kill him, he doesn't give you the emote though....
@@ProjectOrionGaming kill him after you got the emote that is the only way to get his armor set, which imo look pretty fashionable especially on female character.
I'd never kill my best pal. Been with us since Demon's Souls.
@@tawan6921 Yeah, the top with the warrior bottom makes it look like ultra mini skirt. 😅
@@lonelyshpee7873 he is the best pal
While there are some elements of this quest that I don't understand (Why is Patches at the Shaded Castle? How should the player know to look for him there? Why does he fake his own death?), I do believe it is actually finished. Patches' allegiance to Rykard and the Volcano Manor was secondary to his devotion to Tanith herself. He admired her for who she was as an individual, and the castanets are a symbol of what she meant to him. He wants to return them to her so she can remember who she is. Sadly it is too late for Tanith, for the woman Patches admired is fully lost to the allure of the great serpent, just like Rykard before her.
And so, having learned absolutely nothing from his journey across the Lands Between, Patches' story ends in the exact same place it began. I'm sure his odyssey will continue in Fromsoft's next title.
i agree with that, and i think if there was more to the quest it would have been found, in the code if not naturally...
@@Bunny_Aoifethat's what I'm saying. People can literally see how everything interacts and they spent 3 years now looking
I am honestly surprised that he wasn’t in Armored Core 6. Considering Patches did INDEED originate from an Armored Core game.
they should just add a ancient dragon smithing stone/somber to his inventory and call that a finished quest.
Tbh I always felt like patches was just trolling you with the castanets and that it was kind of a playful jab at those kinds of quests. Realistically, giving someone a mundane item wouldn't cause a massive shift in their personality. I think he just wanted a clean break from volcano manor now that Rykard was dead and since you were technically the last member of the recusants...
7:50 - Honestly, I can't think of anything more fitting of the character Patches than a quest that leads nowhere. Honestly kinda feels like a purposeful troll.
I always thought that was the point of it, the narrative unsettling bit you mentioned, and just an unrequited lament from Patches' heart to a woman he loved at a distance. You bringing his totem of nostalgia and hope into a scene of gruesome, near-cannibalistic insanity is a pretty cool juxtaposition. I like the silent way this quest ends. And if I am to believe the things known about Miyazaki, it is very intentional.
@@summonedmonkey You may be correct, it might just be an obscure way of telling the story of how patches secretly loved her. Great observation!
Patches be secretly gooning to her from the corner😢
@@ProjectOrionGamingit's intentional, fextralife is just full of bs
2:30 you can find him and speak to him crouched here before he kicks you off. He says something along the lines of “you see those stones there, they lead to treasure”
I think the real unaolved quest was Kenneth Height’s Quest where he says he’ll return to his castle from Stormveil and he just never does.
He did return to Stormveil castle tho
Wrong
@@arkbeetle return to Fort Height after being at Stormveil
hes part of nepheli quest, he eventually returns to stormveil
@@overlorddante He is in Stormviel castle after that.
The castanets look like the pendant from ds1. The quest is finished, it's just Miyazaki being a troll
Funnily enough, in the DLC you will encounter the spirit of a Dancer in a tomb, and her dress and abilitys hint to be connected to Lady Tanith, but that so far has amounted in nothing...EDIT: Also, forgot to mention: The Spirit of the dancer has almost the same face model as Tanith, hinting that she might be a sister or some sort of relative.
Can the Castanet be sold back to him? I'm just asking. I've never played the game.
How about this: the quest is finished. The NPC just refuse the item. Sometimes you have to think in terms of storytelling instead of mechanics and reflect on what it means.
What is the storytelling here then?
@@23Butanedione Tanith doesn't give a shit and Patches's one selfless act in the game where he straight up nearly died was basically meaningless lol
@@23Butanedione Also she doesn't care about her old life, she's dedicated to her current one.
@@palmitofreak what are the dancing castanets for
@@23Butanedionedancing
he finally cared about someone other then himself and it was one sided, which is life, im glad patches got to love someone other then himself even if it was sad, its just the growing of the character since armored core
IMO the point of the final bit of the quest is to point the player into looking for where Tanith has gone. Most people who don’t read guides will just assume she’s poofed from the game. This gives the player an opportunity to kill her, then her knight. With the final reward being an incantation.
Patches himself is always just a shady vendor in all his games with the exception of DS3.
He doesn’t sell anything in Bloodborne either. He gives some advice at a few points, gives the obligatory shove off a cliff (since his spindly legs aren’t strong enough to kick you), and at the end of his questline you can get an emote and a nifty rune (2nd best blood echoes boost +15%)
@@joels5150 he does become a vendor in Bloodborne. You can find him in chalice dungeons.
he was a vendor within dark souls 3, within two or three locations,
@@secretintrovert I’m aware. What I meant is that in DS3 he is more than just a shady vendor. He gets a fairly lengthy questline in the DLC and is not at all a vendor there. Only in Firelink Shrine.
@@seanlowrey6371 oh JUST a shady vendor, i understand now,
The strange thing about it is that it feels like there's a connection between the castanets and the Dancer's gear that you get in the DLC. It's just not quite there.
Tanith is from the same country as the dancer, presumed to have been a dancer previously. I believe it mentions this on her helmet.
You can kill lady Tanith and then fight the Crucible knight who follows her.
Big bro found the new Pendant.
Can't wait for the new slew of people trying to decipher the way to use the pendant in DS all over again.
well, the last part where he appears at shaded castle was added in a patch maybe like 2 or 3 weeks after launch, same with the jarburg quest and the end of the house oslow guy's quest in jarlsburg
@@purplekush8553 You are correct 😀 it was added in a later patch, which is what makes me think it will be completed in an upcoming patch hopefully!
Actually I finished the house oslow quest weeks before the DLC released.
@@ProjectOrionGaming yeeah, I do really hope they do as well!
@@shredenvain7 yeah, they released it in a patch after the launch of the base game, adding a couple of other quests, as well as adding a couple of npcs to summon for different bosses that were not there at launch
Hence the name patches 😏
It's a freaking miracle you survive that fall after that kick. That's the biggest fall yet.
I somehow missed the step when he kicked me off the cliff telling me to stay off the Volcano Manor.
Pretty easy to miss. I didn’t come across that cutscene until about my 7th playthrough. I just got used to getting to the Volcano Manor by having Raya teleport me. Once you talk to Tanith, save at the Manor, and go to the hallway, Patches will be there, which cuts out that event if you go back to the spot on the hillside.
Logically, once you’ve already been to the manor, there’s no reason for him to give you the kick/warning not to go there 🤷♀️
What's crazy is I just saw the light up stones yesterday I couldn't see they were leading somewhere tho
I came back to the game due to the DLC and thinking patches had died from his wounds back at the shaded castle only to go check his cave and find him alive almost 2 years later. It kind of made me happy, so I left him alive.
I feel like this quest really concludes the Patches strory throughout the series. Once started as a heatheaded cleric hating thug, he encountered multiple people with ambitions just like him only to see them fail and fade. He witnessed the end of many eras, many worlds collapsed. There is no more hate, just a silly little trickster we see in ds3. But in ER he found something different, a love, something he never felt before, notice how different he acts around Vulcano Manor, Patches would never work for anyone. But the love was unanswered, Tanith has gone mad and didn't even recognize the gesture of reminding her past that quite literally might have been the last thing Patches done in his life. But he went over it, collected himself and came the full circle to the state that was suggested to him by his guts - a silly little Patchee, who sells goods and keeps you on your toes with his shenanigans. A truly happy end for me
It would've been cool if Patches appeared in DLC again to continue his storyline, like he did in Dark souls 3: Ringed City DLC where he had amnesia
Perhaps the true reward of the quest were the friends we made along the way.
After encountering him again in his cave he does sell something “new” the fan daggers are UNLIMITED.
Daggers are useful for consistently keeping the stance poise of an enemy low. The fan daggers are spread with each use making it hard for enemies to dodge them.
But you can also KILL him, take is bell bearing, and take it to the twin sisters at round table so you can buy them anytime you want.
But finally you can teleport to the shaded castle and find him at his dying last breath and you can pick up him bell bearing there.
When Patches called tarnished a beggar, after killing a Tragoth, I've had this stupid thought: "What if we just forget about the reward and continue with the questline?"
Will patches put use to the candlestick?
Or will he remind about it somehow later?
Patches is a simp (for Tanith) and even in her final breath she still rejects him because she simps for Rykard who only crave powaaa (devouring gods). It was a full-blown circle Simps Emporium. He doesn't want you to come to the Manor because it will risk you killing Rykard (and Tanith). Patches is a Tarnished, he knew you better. But still he keep throwing hard missions in hoping for you to get killed or give up (or forgot).
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
@@Leotheleprachaun Sorry to burst your bubble snowflake.
@@Leotheleprachaun ni!
It's not unfinished. That IS the "quest." It's not a real quest. It's Patches being Patches. He FAKES a heroic death to give you the castanets (he dies in one hit when he slumps after you get it).
He's trying to start over, so he sends you far away after his death and tries to use the opportunity to go back to his old ways is all. Patches is just Patches
That's just the end of the quest bro. Bringing Tanith the castanets sends Patches to his final (first) location, leaving him right back where he started when you first met him
Except that’s not required. I had already killed Tanith when Patches gave me the castanets to give to her. He still went back to the cave. I think you just need to meet him there and get the castanets in order for him to move and set up shop.
@@firey5 if she's still alive he won't appear in the cave until you visit her. I'd like there to be more secrets to be found but I'm not holding my breath. Dataminers have already picked everything apart and it doesn't look like there's any additional content that hasn't been found
The Emote IS the reward. Not every quest HAS to give you some big epic reward. Remember. This is Patches. He is MEANT to mess with you. So the fact that after such a long roundabout quest, you only get an emote makes perfect sense. Y'all looking to hard for answers to questions that aren't there. Lol
That's TRUE, sometimes it's JUST like THAT. You GET it.
I'd think by now, people would have data mined everything the game has to offer to know if there is any other stuff going on in this quest.
Castanets used by dancers from foreign lands. That only makes me think of the Dancer of Ranah that is on the DLC. I messed up patches quest line in my game, and also already beat the Dancer, so I cannot try this. I think It could be worth a try, to bring it and try giving it to her, but who knows.
Mmmh, what if you go to Tanith wearing the dress you get from the dancer, haha,
I also have been thinking of doing this. I have the castanets, the dress, and I never went in to see Tanith eating Rykard.
I would try this right now if my pc didn't have a dead power supply RIP. Can someone please do this and report?
@bigdee8469 if you do it, tell us if anything happens
I got the castanets, went to rykard's, equipped the whole dancer stuff and weapon and talked to Tanith, got the same dialogues, gave her the castanets, and then nothing. She is still telling she's needs time to eat his head. I rest at the grace and make time pass like 10 days, nothing more....
I then choose to kill her and her bodyguard, but I'm still wondering, is there any moment where she finishes eating his head ?
I think the castanets disappeared from my bag when I gave it to her. Killing her doesn't let you get the castanets back.
Very silly idea: talk to Tanith a third time, she responds with "No, you can *not* have a taste."
Based
It would blow my mind if there was somehow more to this quest, but sadly, I don’t think that’s possible. With all the data mining on top of the 2 1/2 years of consistent player base, we would have found it by now. It’s likely the spiritual successor of the Pendant from DS1.
There still being a hidden Miquella ending / alt DLC story piece. That’s a conspiracy I can almost don a tin foil hat for. Something definitely got cut from the DLC . There’s clearly a cutscene at the end of the 1st gameplay reveal trailer, that shows Miq raising his arm to the Scadu Tree. No one has discovered what that cutscene is for. So likely cut content, but who knows.
To get the secret ending, you have to no hit Radahn's first phase. Then, when he enters second phase (with Miquella is on his back) you have to stop attacking. Dodge everything but the grab attack. After you have the glowing bowtie above your head, you have to be using the "Let us go together" gesture while being grabbed a second time. The dialogue changes, your heart isn't stolen, and you go into the Age of Compassion end scene.
@@overlorddante I heard that if you damage Radhan just enough, at the right time, and during the hug attack; he does his jump for his meteor attack while holding you. However, instead of crashing back down to the arena, you guys land on the moon where there's a hidden Olive Garden legacy dungeon filled with unlimited breadsticks that allow you to respec your character as much as you want. Oh and the final boss Godwyn.
@@overlorddanteLol, I theorized something like this, but never bothered to try😊
I had no idea you could find him after volcano manor, TIL
He goes back to his cave and sales again like nothing happened….
I mean the dancer's castanets does technically serve a purpose, unlocking new dialogue, and it feels kinda fitting that a questline of the Patches's would have no real reward
The crouch is worth it honestly.
This all makes perfect sense to my head canon. Patches the Untethered, Lokiesque trickster god connecting the Soulsborne multiverse gives you a quest that makes you go through oversteps just to leave you frustrated. Very Patches indeed. But hey, it nets the iconic emote!
That’s a meta take, I like it.
The takeaway for me is that Patches the trickster was able to move on. Tanith the sycophant wasn’t. 🤷🏻♂️
It seems to a lot of people like a bit of sentimental connection, like maybe patches had some interest or even a romantic past with her, but it’s really just classic patches playing his trickster role, making fun of Tanith, inviting her to go back to her lowly status (like he does).
In bringing up her past as a dancer, making light of the situation, he’s poking fun at them both having to be “untethered” again, from the Manor.
Tanith dismisses this subtle invitation to let go. We can kill her and her knight and get the crucible incantation from it.
Just because the wiki suggests there might be another step doesn’t mean one was intended.
From patches perspective it makes sense. From Tanith’s perspective it makes sense.
Tanith was a power obsessed toady, who couldn’t let go. Patches, as unscrupulous as he may be, has always been independent and resistant to that kind of “serve this true lord” indoctrination.
This seems to be the intention/moral behind this quest line, imho. You get an emote and an incant. What more do people want? Closure? Hopefully this investigation is enough to offer that.
But I love the meta-take you’re offering here as well, finding ways to keep the player guessing and interpreting, searching for meaning (just like IRL)- something fromsoft does very well in the souls games in general.
I think his comment at 3:50 is because at that point the shop is open, but you left without buying anything.
The reward is that you know Tanith was at the Shaded Castle - it's a quest that gives you lore, not items.
He opens up shop in the cave if you revisit right after, or just quit out and reload the game. There is additional dialogue, and and additional trap chest that transports you right next to some Rune Bears, he'll give the "calm down" gesture if you return afterwards (he'll give this one later). Also if you attack him 3 times in the cave with a weak weapon he'll turn hostile again; after he gets you under half health he'll give you the "grovel for mercy" gesture. You can use this to end the battle or let him kill you to remove his hostility towards you. So in order to unravel it, we have to start with doing the beginning steps to his quest line correctly and unlocking his all dialogue/items/interactions.
I always thought he was dead after the bridge WTF I did dozens of runs in that game
Patches is the gullible one for thinking Tanith would notice him.
After the whole quest line you can also attack patches until he attacks back and then let him hit you until your low. He will then give you a new emote, that you have to perform for him to stop attacking you. The emote is extreme repentence, I think.
Use the Patches emote in the second phase of Consort Radahn fight. You have to use it right at the moment Miquella uses his grab attack. If you time it right, he will stop and then recognize you as the true consort. He’ll ditch Radanhn and turn you into his new simp.
I think you should wear Consort's Set, or at least mask to prove that you kill his love interest and see how he react. If it does nothing, it will be a great disappointment.
Awesome video yet again!! So glad someone finally addressed this😊
Patches gives you several gestures. Getting all of them is more complicated than any other quest in Elden Ring.
I know in Vaatividya’s video he mentions that the Dancer of Rannah is likely Tanith in her old form, maybe the questline has something to do with Dancer of Rannah. Maybe you have to wear her full set and then try giving the castanets to Tanith or something
The pendant-like castonets and the squat are the reward.
According to Miyazaki, there is one small element of Elden Ring that has not been discovered.
Maybe its related to Patches Questline?? Would be really cool
no. hes trolling like he did with the pendant
@@ZeroOmega-vg8nqMemezaki always trolling us😢
No, the secret is Melina being a boy...
I dont think hes trolling this time because he said this before the dlc
@@ShinStriderHiryu he’s definitely trolling. He’s done this multiple times before where he just deliberately gives out wing information because he thinks it’s funny. Honestly I love the dynamic he has with the player base.
The final reveal of the quest is that the primal rage against the existence of patches is wholly justified
The first time I found that machine I killed it. I recalled Patches' line about the thing and how it takes you to Volcano Manor, which I could not seem to find, so I reloaded and let the thing take me.
Wrong bucket of bolts. Later I found out I walked right up to the manor and thought I hit a dead end because I didn't turn the corner
All of the quests in this game have disappointing endings. I can't help but to think they were going to follow up with this and never did, since the Castanets WERE added in a Patch. This is very suspicious, are we sure they haven't secretly added something to this?
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Tanith is from Ranah, which is where the Dancer of Ranah character in the DLC is from. If you look at the items that are related to the dancer, you will see the same castanets (Dancer's Castanets).
You skipped the part where you go back to his cave, he has opened his shop there, and eve. Has a new chest. One he says is for someone else. If you open it he insults you as a mist pops out of it and it teleports you somewhere else
I wonder if there's any cut content for this quest left. I haven't seen any. I thought it was just an unfinished quest.
Patches sitting under the statues, a think i never realize, he was there after 6 ng+ ER never stops to surprise me.
Love that we are getting lore videos from base Elden Ring still. Keep up the good work. I’m 50 50 on this one. My gut tells me it is finished but obviously I want it to be carried forward maybe in the next dlc (because obviously we are getting two more dlc’s for this game)
8:03 You have to reach the end of the quest to get the reward. Strike Tanith to summon her guard for the last fight and subsequent reward in the questline.
The dancer castanets are a symbol of the homeland of tanith Called ranah since the dancer of ranah has the 90% of the Sliders similar to tanith
It`s weird, castanets is spanish the elden ring is a goth/romanian/britain mitology. I can`t remember any npc that resembles spannish to me.
She’s from a foreign land remember
Really good video! One miiinor thing I'd like to mention is that whenever you stop talking, the switch from your commentary, to no sound, is a little bit jarring. It most likely has to do with the small background noise in your commentary being suddenly cut off and casting the listener into this complete silence, but it is a little noticeable. I'd reccomend maybe leaving a little bit of dead air after finishing talking and leaving that in before switching to the next bit of audio (Elden Ring clip, next commentary take) so the transition isn't as noticeable. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
The answers to lifes greatest questions will always be unkown
Guess now all we have left to do is going back to Patches' cave fully dressed in Ranah dancer's set to provide him at least comforting dance performance.
I did see something new a little bit after the DLC came out, after you give the castanets in older versions he just dies and drops his armour at the shaded castle but after the DLC (not sure which patch) he goes back to the cave you meet him in for the first time.
The patch sending Patches back to Murkwater Cave after the Shaded Castle predates the DLC. I think it was 1.07 or around there.
Yeah, it didn't sit well with me either, but to be fair, which FromSoft NPC quest really has a satisfying ending? Igon might be the only one! And many would argue against that as well.
In this case specifically though, here's how I look at it to make it more palatable:
In Tanith's case, think of it as a chance to release her from her misery and get some items as rewards, or let he wallow in pain and craziness as her comeuppance.
And as for Patches, he has always been taken pride in living outside the system with no true allegiance to anyone or anything. And true to form, after all is said and done, he goes back to business as usual. Honestly, he might have the best ending among the NPCs 😄
@@Dr.UldenWascht I really like this comment. You really went deep into the lore and the character arc and design. I'm thinking patches is special to from soft, since he is the only recurring character and he is in almost every game.
I liked the video but honestly I think the quest gave its rewards my friend. You get both Magmawhip Candle stick and the bull goat armor as rewards. A very unique whip and the best full armor for stats in the game. Then you get his croutch and I believe now with the DLC we get why the dancers castenets were included. Like that one shield it was a glimpse into what the DLC would hold, what a "battle dancer" looked like and why patches fell for her.
If you kill Tanith you get to fight her crucible knight
things like this and the similar thing in Bloodborne with the "ring of betrothal"
feels like its more for world building/fleshing out a character.
we are used to everything in games having some sort of purpose so when
there is an expectation due to consistency, it feels "unfinished" when that
gets changed up in that kind of way.
Two thoughts:
Use crouch emote near Tannith to either reset some variable/spur a respose, then interact, or somehow interact while crouching
Or
Try to give castanets back to Patches.
@@TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike I have actually tried both things, there is something that happens if you kill Tanith, a crucible knight will spawn and fight you, but that's it.
@@TheHi-NoteFunClub-BeatsByMike Patches doesn't have an option to talk about the Castanets after he returns to the cave
@@ProjectOrionGaming Werd. That other suggestion regarding the "dancer" character seemed plausible as well, but I'm otherwise stumped...
Though... Maybe something to do with the Lion Dancers/hornsent grandam? Wear the Lion head with Tannith?
Like a lot of people are saying, this could just be a moreso story-arc type of quest line. To be completely fair, most of patches’ quests across the fromsoft series are very similar. They usually only result in story beats with maybe some minor rewards every now and then. This quest does feel a bit underwhelming when compared to the his quest in ds3, where you had to access an entire secret area to finish it, but what can you do.
The Dancers Castanets could be a lore reward as it hints at her origin. We have the Dancers in the DLC now.
I think the quest just wasn’t finished or fully fleshed out.
Just like the map of the DLC.
I suspect the dancing lady from the DLC met Tanith and left her instrument to her as a form of pleadge to the volcano manor before leaving to complete her contracts leading her to the shadow of the erdtree realm part.
Wow how have I never figured out there was another step to patches quest line, I'm on a new play thru and I'm at the end of the manor quest, I have to do that final step. That's why I love this game 2 years later, and I'm still finding new things in the game, crazy.
Seeing as the Quests "Ends" where it began maybe its about a repeating cycle and u either have to meet him again at the places u met him before or u actually have to go into NG+ and give the Dancer Item to Tanith before killing Rykard. If the Item actually survives the journey into NG+, which i doubt but FS has done stranger stuff
Volcano Manor in general is intriguing. Why patches simps for Tanith? how did he end up with the castanets? why Tanith doesn't accept them? was she related to the dancers of Ranah from the DLC, since the castanets say they are from a distant land? where did Tanith AND Rya go, even if you search the whole map, you never see any hint of any of the 2 after you're done there.
Michael Zaki sir, please give answers. Send elden ring 2 or a 2nd DLC.
The last part of the quest is when he gives the Dancers Castanets to you. The next encounter on the cave is just for the Emporium.
The problem is getting Tanith to finish eating. In one of my ng+ I found her done with the body but she only groans. I didn't do the patches stuff in that one.
If you attack Patches after his first surrender until he attacks you back, and then grovel to him, he'll stop and give you the super grovel emote
He goes back to the cave you originally found him and reopens the emporium
His quest was just a death loop lmao- Good Ol' Patches. Never ceases to annoy or amaze.
He also wusses out of the Festival of Redahn LOL
The quest wasn't in the game at launch. Patches just vanished from the game once you did Volcano manor. They added the shaded castle stuff after a patch and then patched him into going back to his cave afterwards. So it's unfinished and they patched in another step then left it unfinished still.
I know the answer, Patches is actually deadpool
Patches was all over all games of FS and i learned to like him at the span of those times
You could open the chest in the cave after the initial fight with him there, just reload at a grace. I dont believe you should go there at the end because he sells margit shackle which hellps with the bossfight.
Seems to me more likely that Tanith has connections to the shaded castle and the inhabitants there. The mention of dances makes me think she has even further roots back in the land of shadow to some degree at least learning her arts there.
Patches risked his life and almost lost it, very out of character for the man who shows up to fight rhadan and then just says mmmmm not for me. He even says so himself "I should have stuck to what i know"
Now consider that if he went out of his way to go to the shaded castle to retrieve a musical instrument that was beloved to her to try and bring her back to her senses, nearly died, and was shown no praise or anything for his actions, all he received in return was a cold careless response of leave me be in return showing that the tanith he knew is already lost to him and his time at the castle cannot be saved. The volcano manor has fallen.
So he does just that.. He returned to what he knew, untethered again, searching for the next group of people that will allow him in. Kinda sounds finished to me.
Edit: fixed some parts where I spelled Tanith with 2 n's
The dancer's castanets are Elden Ring's equivalent of the pendant from Dark Souls.
Wait what???!!!! I believed I knew EVERYTHING about the base game and I didn't knew that Patches actually returns to his cave and that you can get that emote... This game really never ends giving a little something. Best use for $60 ever in my life!
You missed some steps mate you can get another emote if you go back to him after fighting him the first time, if you fight him again and let him take you to low health you can ask him for forgiveness and hell spare you and give the extreme repentance emote
Guys, we just got to give her time. She’ll finish consuming Rykard one day.
@@coleh46 😂😂😂
It’s just to get the patches squat. Pretty much. That’s how it was with patches in dark souls. He is one of the few npc’s that never had a tragic ending, or a really great reward or anything either. In Elden ring they just kept his Easter egg theme.
You have to give the pendant to Rya once she moves to the small room by the lava
This quest was *Not* in the game since launch. It wasn’t even a full quest until the update that fixed the map that showed a non-existent road just west of Stormveil around the cliffs.
Just a question, you can clear the shaded castle before killing Rykard, is Patches still injured infront of the bossroom there?
I kinda just took it as confirmation that she was a dancer like the one you find in the DLC. Just more lore implication than reward
Maybe there is an interaction with the oil of Rannah from the DLC, since it is theorized that Tannith and the NPC you kill to get this item are from the same culture
if you kill tanith her bodyguard invades you and you get the third aspect of the crucible. that's the ultimate reward. she moves somewhere where she can be killed, rykard's arena.
It is most plausible that the Castanets are truely useless, that they are only good for the failed try of giving them to Tanith, that unlike Patches wishes, Tanith cannot be the woman she once was. But then there is stuff in games which is found only until much later, like the Souls Ritual in Diablo 2 LoD, which was found maybe in 2017 or so, the game being from 2000. It was directly coded into the game and found while disassmebling, it was not visible in the regular game data files. So while very unlikely, the Castanets could still lead to something.
If you kill Tanith, her knight shows up and you receive Aspect of the Crucible: Breath from defeating him. That's your reward for completing the quest. Fextralife is just silly and leaving things open ended because the item doesn't get consumed upon "use," so maybe there's something else. You gotta remember that they don't work for Fromsoft and they're just figuring it out as they go. But you do use the Dancer's Castanets to obtain lore about Rykard and the ritual or rite of some sort that forces Tanith to consume the carcass. Maybe so the Serpent God can be reborn through Tanith? Either way, it tells the story of how Tanith was once a graceful dancer before she was seduced by the power of the Serpent God.
With Fromsoft, it's more about the journey than the destination.
While I don’t think this is unsolved, I respect you bringing this up. Make more of these types of videos bro I loved this shit
You say it’s unsolved, but it shows the solved quest. You get the squat from Patches, he goes back to being a vendor or you can then kill him, and it also lets you know that Tanith still exists after evacuating the manor, and you can attack her to fight her crucible knight companion for extra goodies.
Much like the trickster himself, Patches’ quest ends unsatisfying to those who don’t connect with the character