The dedication is insane. Love your work Alex Also didn't know camber affected how the car looks, really cool. Wish they could do the same to wings like Monza rear wings are smaller and monaco wings are bigger. Suggest that to Codies for F1 24, PLEASE!
@SolbladeX Well, yeah. They're racing for tens of thousands of dollars. Would you give away all your setups and tricks if you were racing for like $50k?
Very interesting, especially with the tyre pressures. On F1 2021 especially I remember running the pressures very high because that resulted in less wear so long as you didn’t overheat the tyres. The intuition behind this is that when the tyres are pumped up their surface area decreases as it’s generally a ‘tighter’ surface so there’s less friction and therefore less wear. So either they’ve changed it and made the tyres more slidy with more pressure in the tyres, or max pressures at Silverstone cause overheating.
You've pretty much said it. It was already a topic last game with the tires losing a ton of grip on higher pressures even if you have less wear and no overheating, and this game the optimal pressure window is even lower because you basically have no tire wear advantage on higher pressures anymore, mainly due to overheating but also because the grip issues only get worse as the tires get older and you're never gonna make up that disadvantage because the more you slide, the more tire wear you'll have
This is a great first test but IMO is still missing a few things that will be important for race day. Front vs rear wear plays a huge role in how the car handles over a stint, and temperatures are also important to get right as they affect grip and tyre wear. Suspension stiffness will affect this both in how much you use one side vs the other, and how much temp goes into the surface. It really is invaluable to get into a practice session, check front vs rear temps and wear, and adjust accordingly.
If there's one tip that I can give to people who want to learn how to build setups, it's that finding a balance that feels good to you will almost always be more important than what's "supposed to be" better. Some people like it more aggressive and can handle the twitches and slides, others may prefer a more stable suspension or lower tire pressures to make sure that they get consistently good times without the high risk of ruining everything with just one or two snaps of oversteer. The TT setups are a good starting point but in a proper race you usually want to make the car feel a lot more natural and safe to drive if that makes sense. Especially now that TT setups are made for sliding on the brakes, which you don't want pretty much anywhere outside of TT
MAIN INFO FROM THE TESTS & VIDEO and HOW TO REDUCE THE TYRE WEAR and still be fast: - WINGS: higher = less tyre wear lower = more tyre wear compromise (find the best balance to yourself) for better laptime - DIFFERENTIAL: as low as possible = faster lap & similar tyre wear (than max) * - CAMBER: high or low = about the same laptime & tyre wear best to be around the middle * - TOE: higher = less wear, but slower laptime best to be around the middle - SUSPENSION: as soft as possible (not necessarily at minimum though) = best laptime and same wear as in the middle * - ANTI-ROLL BARS: the firmer the better = less wear and better laptime - RIDE HEIGHT: as low as possible without bottoming out (hitting the kerbs and/or track bumps) too much - BRAKE BIAS: about 55%-60% in most cases * - TYRE PRESSURES: lower = less tyre wear, but slower laptime best to compromise near the middle, but tending to go as low as possible as well * = Elements that make the biggest difference in terms of tyre wear without making a big difference in laptime
Consistent High Speed Cornering is worst on Tyres. Rear Toe - Increases rear Stability (Less sliding) Front Toe - More responsive (Less steering input). Less consistent lateral forces through the tyres maybe. Even tho the tyres are dragged on straights, that is the least stressful moment.
with throttle input being one of the most difficult parts of playing on a pad, i've always resorted to a few clicks on the rear toe. without it, im burning the tires in low speed corners (baku). it's what i mess with most in my practice programs to get the best compromise.
@@bradleyg1192 I play on pad too but I'm fairly good with Throttle. I like that you mention 'Compromise' cos it's not respected in game. Rear Toe will help Traction but at more cost than anything else apart from Wing/Drag. I've been trying to explain to people its not always a lack of Traction in slow speed. But Aggressive throttle with TOO Soft suspension causes you to Bottom & lose all Downforce. People try to Maximise Mechanical Grip too much which isnt good for Aero cars.
Congratulations on the work. I cant imagine the ammount of work you put to create this, but we trully appreciate your comments on the video. I am surprised about some of the findings such as toe ,anti roll bar and tire pressure but this will help us to create better race setups.
amazing work! what I'm wondering now is how the "lower tyre wear setup" affects the tyre temperatures long term. because the tyre wear might be better in one single lap but the tyre temps seem to settle in only after 5 laps or so. and if the tyre temps are constantly too high it’s not beneficial for tyre wear. hope you know what i mean. keep the good work up 👍🏻
Came here after your coop series with Ben. Last season I've grown to love to hate you. Now seeing this amazing content you're putting out. Much much respect 🙏🏼
absolutely brilliant tests. i always love these types of videos you do. can't wait to start applying it to my setups. if you could practice with a pad and get to a point where you could *test various aspects of the calibration, i would be forever grateful!
Awesome Video. I think the highlights for me are that you shouldn't run 1-1 anti roll bar. I was surprised about your tire pressure findings. I have found that more pressure will help tire wear as long as you don't overheat the tires. Your default setup and high pressure setup may have been cooking the tires. I have a yt video about pressure and tire wear on a test i did in Qatar.
This, and I'm honestly kinda surprised that he didn't think of this. Yes, lower tire pressures are the meta in this game (mainly bc the difference isn't as big as in previous games where you'd run max tire pressures before they changed the way that overheating affects the grip, in 2021 and early 2022 I believe it was the meta) but generally speaking you're gonna get more tire wear if they overheat, and the higher pressures make the car less grippy (which you especially feel on older tires) which means that, despite the initial advantage, you're gonna struggle more and more to keep the car stable and that'll affect the wear much more than any kind of setup change you could possibly make
This video is super useful. Maybe u could do one to see what is the fastest setup aspects in the game and compare the lap times like you have done here but then for pure lap time based results, to see which is fastest
Amazing detail Alex, would love to know what the lowest tyre wear you could get is across all of these changes? Would wonder if some fine tuning impacts others to go down a different path
The one thing I really hope will be implemented soon is tyre wear based on fuel load. For years the game doesn't take into account that info into the equation for some reason.
Ive been running very stiff springs compared to others. And found i can run stiffer rear ARB than i thought. Softer ARB better in slower corner exits. But car is lazy, bottoms & snaps when it goes. Stiffer allows me to rotate the car before accelerating. No bottoming & better in High Speed. I seem to have longer lasting stints than others on TT setups
Excellent presentation 👍 things like this will hopefully assist the newcomers and help the future of this sport. In a perfect world we should be able to enjoy 20 car multiplayer races with a higher level of professionalism than what we are presently faced with 🤯
Well... It's online. I fear in a group of twenty, there will always be at least some unprofessional players at best. Seems to be the nature of a lot of online player masses
Yeah they are somewhat guarded. Even more so since David moved on. he posted a general setup guide on EA Answers a few weeks back that backs up most, if not all of what you found.
would be great to have a video explaining how to adjust suspension and roll bar stiffness: how it affects car balance, traction, turn in, etc. thanks for the video
I think if you're looking for performance then you're better off looking at some of the league racers or esports guys I prefer to be more scientific with my videos, setup for performance is based on preference
Wow Alex, this is pretty incredible content and dedication. If you are a racing gamer and are not subscribed to this man, you need to do so. Great video and insight man.
Love your analysis dude! :-) I haven't tested setups so much, but I've noticed it's ok to go with TT setups to at least 25% races without issues - unlike in F1 22... What I've noticed is that my own driving style is quite tyre saving in races and most of the time I can gain time against my opponents in the long run. Could also be because better ERS management, but haven't analyzed it too deep 😀 Would love to join you in the ranked lobbies sometime 🙂
not entirely sure silverstone was the best track to do this on. Things like camber etc are (theoretically) supposed to help lap time more on lower speed corners, which silverstone doesn't really have much of. Realistically, a comparison to monaco or hungary would have been a more complete methodology
Thanks for the video. Main question I have is: How did u even set this up? looks like Career mode, but how do you manage to get the car to be the equal car?
This is career mode yea, but it's not an equal car, it's just the regular Red Bull. The setup changes will be the same for all cars, although of course the actual tyre wear will vary slightly for each car
All very interesting and thorough, though I fear it is a little remiss to make a piece about tyre wear and only base it on single lap performance with brand new rubber. Alas, that does open the door for a "Run to burst" follow up ;)
Also not that the higher the pressure, the higher the temps. And when your tyres overheat, the grip just goes and it feels like you have full underbody damage
Did you have tyre temperature simulation on when testing the pressures? If yes, the increased wear is almost surely from the overheating, not the pressures. Higher pressures decrease tyre wear.
it makes sense that you dont lose that much tyre wear with the TT setup. You mess up your tyres over time because it makes your tyres overheat very quickly, even with low pressures. if you do only do 1 lap TT setups are obviously gonna be strong
Alex I love your content mate, but I have one request for the future videos. I think I speak for many followers , If you could speak I little bit slower then it’s much easier to understand. Thanks for your understanding
From my understanding, increasing the toe helps with tire wear through the corners because the deeper the corner the “straighter” the tires are throughout the corner on account of the toe angle they have… when they’re straighter(more perpendicular to the turn angle) they “slide” through the turns more instead of rotating through them. To summarize, the toe helps keep tires on line and rotating through corners…. I think…. 😂
Alex, could you do a video (or recommend me one you have already made if you dealt with it) in which you compare the last F1 games (like since F1 2020) and you say which is the most realistic in terms of car handling (traction, braking, gears, ecc)? By the way, thanks for all the content you deliver, it's always nice and interesting to watch your analysis
there is a error in tyre wear suspension tables names with softer and stiffer, once softer is worse tire wear, and then next graph shows that softer sus is better, im confused...
I tried all of these possible variants in my career, but nothing worked. It even was getting worse, worse and worse. What to do with the wear at this point? I literally tried everything
The dedication is insane. Love your work Alex
Also didn't know camber affected how the car looks, really cool. Wish they could do the same to wings like Monza rear wings are smaller and monaco wings are bigger. Suggest that to Codies for F1 24, PLEASE!
Now the eSports drivers are going to be yelling at Alex again.
Why?
@@viniciuscoxoba3842 Because when he revealed how the tire/tyre temps worked, some of them had a tizzy about their secrets being revealed.
@@xxlarrytfvwxx9531 serious? Wow, I didn't know that, haven't seen any driver speak about it
@@viniciuscoxoba3842 ppl like to gate keep advantages
@SolbladeX Well, yeah. They're racing for tens of thousands of dollars. Would you give away all your setups and tricks if you were racing for like $50k?
Very interesting, especially with the tyre pressures. On F1 2021 especially I remember running the pressures very high because that resulted in less wear so long as you didn’t overheat the tyres. The intuition behind this is that when the tyres are pumped up their surface area decreases as it’s generally a ‘tighter’ surface so there’s less friction and therefore less wear. So either they’ve changed it and made the tyres more slidy with more pressure in the tyres, or max pressures at Silverstone cause overheating.
You've pretty much said it. It was already a topic last game with the tires losing a ton of grip on higher pressures even if you have less wear and no overheating, and this game the optimal pressure window is even lower because you basically have no tire wear advantage on higher pressures anymore, mainly due to overheating but also because the grip issues only get worse as the tires get older and you're never gonna make up that disadvantage because the more you slide, the more tire wear you'll have
I made a video about this topic again just now if you want to watch.
The dedication to these investigations is amazing! I would be really interested in a similar style video for setups impact on tyre temperature.
Great work, Alex! I think the toe discussion at 5:49 is a little bit off. Isn’t it toe out on the front and toe in on the rear (at least in the game)?
This is a great first test but IMO is still missing a few things that will be important for race day. Front vs rear wear plays a huge role in how the car handles over a stint, and temperatures are also important to get right as they affect grip and tyre wear. Suspension stiffness will affect this both in how much you use one side vs the other, and how much temp goes into the surface. It really is invaluable to get into a practice session, check front vs rear temps and wear, and adjust accordingly.
If there's one tip that I can give to people who want to learn how to build setups, it's that finding a balance that feels good to you will almost always be more important than what's "supposed to be" better. Some people like it more aggressive and can handle the twitches and slides, others may prefer a more stable suspension or lower tire pressures to make sure that they get consistently good times without the high risk of ruining everything with just one or two snaps of oversteer. The TT setups are a good starting point but in a proper race you usually want to make the car feel a lot more natural and safe to drive if that makes sense. Especially now that TT setups are made for sliding on the brakes, which you don't want pretty much anywhere outside of TT
MAIN INFO FROM THE TESTS & VIDEO and HOW TO REDUCE THE TYRE WEAR and still be fast:
- WINGS:
higher = less tyre wear
lower = more tyre wear
compromise (find the best balance to yourself) for better laptime
- DIFFERENTIAL:
as low as possible = faster lap & similar tyre wear (than max)
* - CAMBER:
high or low = about the same laptime & tyre wear
best to be around the middle
* - TOE:
higher = less wear, but slower laptime
best to be around the middle
- SUSPENSION:
as soft as possible (not necessarily at minimum though) = best laptime and same wear as in the middle
* - ANTI-ROLL BARS:
the firmer the better = less wear and better laptime
- RIDE HEIGHT:
as low as possible without bottoming out (hitting the kerbs and/or track bumps) too much
- BRAKE BIAS:
about 55%-60% in most cases
* - TYRE PRESSURES:
lower = less tyre wear, but slower laptime
best to compromise near the middle, but tending to go as low as possible as well
* = Elements that make the biggest difference in terms of tyre wear without making a big difference in laptime
Consistent High Speed Cornering is worst on Tyres. Rear Toe - Increases rear Stability (Less sliding) Front Toe - More responsive (Less steering input). Less consistent lateral forces through the tyres maybe.
Even tho the tyres are dragged on straights, that is the least stressful moment.
This seems like a plausible explanation!
with throttle input being one of the most difficult parts of playing on a pad, i've always resorted to a few clicks on the rear toe. without it, im burning the tires in low speed corners (baku). it's what i mess with most in my practice programs to get the best compromise.
@@bradleyg1192 I play on pad too but I'm fairly good with Throttle. I like that you mention 'Compromise' cos it's not respected in game.
Rear Toe will help Traction but at more cost than anything else apart from Wing/Drag.
I've been trying to explain to people its not always a lack of Traction in slow speed. But Aggressive throttle with TOO Soft suspension causes you to Bottom & lose all Downforce.
People try to Maximise Mechanical Grip too much which isnt good for Aero cars.
Congratulations on the work. I cant imagine the ammount of work you put to create this, but we trully appreciate your comments on the video.
I am surprised about some of the findings such as toe ,anti roll bar and tire pressure but this will help us to create better race setups.
Just amazing! Best F1 TH-camr by a mile, keep up the great content!
amazing work! what I'm wondering now is how the "lower tyre wear setup" affects the tyre temperatures long term. because the tyre wear might be better in one single lap but the tyre temps seem to settle in only after 5 laps or so. and if the tyre temps are constantly too high it’s not beneficial for tyre wear. hope you know what i mean. keep the good work up 👍🏻
I didn't test this specifically, but the tyre temps in F1 23 aren't that big of a deal at all
Came here after your coop series with Ben. Last season I've grown to love to hate you. Now seeing this amazing content you're putting out. Much much respect 🙏🏼
The Tiametmarduk effect 😭
Brilliant Video Alex 🙏
absolutely brilliant tests. i always love these types of videos you do. can't wait to start applying it to my setups.
if you could practice with a pad and get to a point where you could *test various aspects of the calibration, i would be forever grateful!
Awesome Video. I think the highlights for me are that you shouldn't run 1-1 anti roll bar. I was surprised about your tire pressure findings. I have found that more pressure will help tire wear as long as you don't overheat the tires. Your default setup and high pressure setup may have been cooking the tires. I have a yt video about pressure and tire wear on a test i did in Qatar.
This, and I'm honestly kinda surprised that he didn't think of this.
Yes, lower tire pressures are the meta in this game (mainly bc the difference isn't as big as in previous games where you'd run max tire pressures before they changed the way that overheating affects the grip, in 2021 and early 2022 I believe it was the meta) but generally speaking you're gonna get more tire wear if they overheat, and the higher pressures make the car less grippy (which you especially feel on older tires) which means that, despite the initial advantage, you're gonna struggle more and more to keep the car stable and that'll affect the wear much more than any kind of setup change you could possibly make
@@NLR_Knuth yeah. I made a video about this topic just now if you want to watch.
Great video, thanks for the effort in testing all those setups.
This video is super useful. Maybe u could do one to see what is the fastest setup aspects in the game and compare the lap times like you have done here but then for pure lap time based results, to see which is fastest
Amazing video, so much dedication to make this👏
Amazing detail Alex, would love to know what the lowest tyre wear you could get is across all of these changes? Would wonder if some fine tuning impacts others to go down a different path
The one thing I really hope will be implemented soon is tyre wear based on fuel load. For years the game doesn't take into account that info into the equation for some reason.
These types of videos are so goddamn interesting. I love it
Ive been running very stiff springs compared to others. And found i can run stiffer rear ARB than i thought.
Softer ARB better in slower corner exits. But car is lazy, bottoms & snaps when it goes.
Stiffer allows me to rotate the car before accelerating. No bottoming & better in High Speed.
I seem to have longer lasting stints than others on TT setups
Excellent presentation 👍 things like this will hopefully assist the newcomers and help the future of this sport. In a perfect world we should be able to enjoy 20 car multiplayer races with a higher level of professionalism than what we are presently faced with 🤯
Well... It's online. I fear in a group of twenty, there will always be at least some unprofessional players at best. Seems to be the nature of a lot of online player masses
Awesome video, i would love to see how much driver can actually make a difference
very insightful! thought tyre pressures made more of a difference than they actually do
Really awesome work Alex! You should work on handling testing for them :D
I will happily work with them! I don't think they want to work with me though... 😂
Yeah they are somewhat guarded. Even more so since David moved on. he posted a general setup guide on EA Answers a few weeks back that backs up most, if not all of what you found.
Amazing video. Quality content. Learned a lot from this, thanks.
would be great to have a video explaining how to adjust suspension and roll bar stiffness: how it affects car balance, traction, turn in, etc. thanks for the video
I think if you're looking for performance then you're better off looking at some of the league racers or esports guys
I prefer to be more scientific with my videos, setup for performance is based on preference
a youtuber called "gruhnd" has a video about how each setup element affects performance😀
Wow Alex, this is pretty incredible content and dedication. If you are a racing gamer and are not subscribed to this man, you need to do so. Great video and insight man.
Love your analysis dude! :-) I haven't tested setups so much, but I've noticed it's ok to go with TT setups to at least 25% races without issues - unlike in F1 22... What I've noticed is that my own driving style is quite tyre saving in races and most of the time I can gain time against my opponents in the long run. Could also be because better ERS management, but haven't analyzed it too deep 😀
Would love to join you in the ranked lobbies sometime 🙂
not entirely sure silverstone was the best track to do this on. Things like camber etc are (theoretically) supposed to help lap time more on lower speed corners, which silverstone doesn't really have much of. Realistically, a comparison to monaco or hungary would have been a more complete methodology
Love this work. Very interesting stuff👏
Well this has to be one of the best f123 vids I've seen i for 1 will be making changes
Thanks for the video. Main question I have is: How did u even set this up? looks like Career mode, but how do you manage to get the car to be the equal car?
This is career mode yea, but it's not an equal car, it's just the regular Red Bull. The setup changes will be the same for all cars, although of course the actual tyre wear will vary slightly for each car
Another great video!
This has helped me so much.
All very interesting and thorough, though I fear it is a little remiss to make a piece about tyre wear and only base it on single lap performance with brand new rubber. Alas, that does open the door for a "Run to burst" follow up ;)
Would be interesting to see the effect after 25% and 50% tire wear...
Also not that the higher the pressure, the higher the temps. And when your tyres overheat, the grip just goes and it feels like you have full underbody damage
Thanks a lot for the help, it taught me a lot ❤
Did you have tyre temperature simulation on when testing the pressures? If yes, the increased wear is almost surely from the overheating, not the pressures. Higher pressures decrease tyre wear.
it makes sense that you dont lose that much tyre wear with the TT setup. You mess up your tyres over time because it makes your tyres overheat very quickly, even with low pressures. if you do only do 1 lap TT setups are obviously gonna be strong
I use TT setups in the races too and they don't overheat :)
Alex I love your content mate, but I have one request for the future videos.
I think I speak for many followers ,
If you could speak I little bit slower then it’s much easier to understand.
Thanks for your understanding
This is me speaking slower 😭
Thanks for content !!
From my understanding, increasing the toe helps with tire wear through the corners because the deeper the corner the “straighter” the tires are throughout the corner on account of the toe angle they have… when they’re straighter(more perpendicular to the turn angle) they “slide” through the turns more instead of rotating through them. To summarize, the toe helps keep tires on line and rotating through corners…. I think…. 😂
Alex, could you do a video (or recommend me one you have already made if you dealt with it) in which you compare the last F1 games (like since F1 2020) and you say which is the most realistic in terms of car handling (traction, braking, gears, ecc)? By the way, thanks for all the content you deliver, it's always nice and interesting to watch your analysis
Great Video. Posted link on EA Answers massive help to many that are still struggling to get to grips with this years tyre model.
Great video
there is a error in tyre wear suspension tables names with softer and stiffer, once softer is worse tire wear, and then next graph shows that softer sus is better, im confused...
There's a problem. When I try to save the tyres I never reach the maximum time admitted on each lap
I think you should have matched the best setup time with the time trial setup and see what the tyre wear is
I absolutly love deez video. Really helpful for me. Keep on the great work
i think we are confusing minimum and maximum camber because it's inverted
Yea it's so confusing how it's presented in game, but my findings are that if it's set to the right in game, it's better for tyre wear
This is one aspect of the setup screen I really wish they'd change, just flipping the values round would make way more sense
I tried all of these possible variants in my career, but nothing worked. It even was getting worse, worse and worse. What to do with the wear at this point? I literally tried everything
I think your explanation of toe is backwards. Front is toe out and rear is toe in. Still, it seems unintuitive that increasing toe decreases tyre wear
75% playback speed is ideal when watching this vid lol
Great vdeo
I think less toe has more tyre wear because it scrubs more through the corners
Does this only applies to full race? I pretty much do Medium races and tyre strategy does not seem to be too important or maybe I am wrong.
Conclusion of this video: just use default values the game presents.
what telemetry is this? tyre management system and the one you use for braking/steering too?
Car setup vs Lap time
Is he doing all that practice in career mode??
Do a race where the track temperature is 100'C lol
I would like to give this video 1000 likes
How did you get the Telemetry Datas in the Gameplay ?
I believe it's in any of the career modes (regular or MyTeam) while doing the tyre wear practice program.
Quality
Nice work Alex. But slow Down man. You talk way to fast like you are in a hurry 😅
Next year its the F1 GAME 2024 I Cant not Waything whats The New plan game F1 2024
😀 P r o m o s m
Still a bit mad that codemaster still calls the camber values the opposite
came here to dislike (im a tiametmarduk fan), stayed for the content, liked the content, liked the video