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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2015
- Opel, Vauxhall, Nissan and Renault vans
20/11/14: These vans share the same engine with a very expensive design fault: one or more injector gets fused into the cylinder head because when it's raining or in car wash the water is dripping on one or more injectors.
Release date: 21 Nov 2014 by BBC WatchDog
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Just recently heard it from a mechanic, that 1st he sprays a lot of WD-40 on the cylinder head at the injectors, then he runs the engine for about an hour to get it hot, meanwhile he sprays more WD-40 near the bottom of the injectors a few times during this time. Then he shuts off the engine and removes the injectors. He said, that since he is using this method, he managed to get all injectors out. I no longer have the Vivaro, but if someone tries this method successfully I suggest to post it here for feedback.
Unless the injectors are shorted inside, then the engine will not start for more than 2 seconds before the ecu cuts the power.
I think i need to try that. Will give you feedback of it.
Although it might take several hours, eventually one or two days and stinks when applied!
I suggest to let it soak in a VINEGAR bath.
Never heard or read about anyone else using this basic method. But the reality is that vinegar is an excellent acid to remove rust! It's cheap, effective, easy to use, not poisonous, the only issue is that it stink!
Whatever the case it will "eat" the rust away. When using it the only concern is to keep the parts submerged in it. In other words don't let it dry... Oh! While speaking about it. Get the strongest vinegar you can find. Works faster! ;-)
In my neck of the woods it's available in 7% and 35% concentration. The later being my preferred choice.
Procedure: Let is soak for 24h or more. Clean the mess, a thin and long screw driver and rags. Combined with a wet dry vacuum. Works perfectly. After that follow the example of the OP above.
Soak it in WD40. Leave it for awhile if the van start even better, warm it up. Than slightly release the bolts that hold the injectors in place. Do not remove them completely. Two or three turns should ne enough!
Start the engine and let it's internal pressure spit/push the injector out... It will come off nice and easy. ;-)
Cheers
j'ai eu le même problème sur mon trafic 2008 Renault à remboursé la moitié des travaux qui s’élevait a 2600€ merci pour la vidéo
Got the same problem on mine. Expensive repair.
Replacing the 4 injectors on a normal job should cost a few hundred pounds.
Urrrr hello. Vivaro injectors cost £200 for one brand new.
The 3 manufactures have different years where the problem occurs. They were all made on the same production line just badged different.
Even the latest versions are having problems like previous model..
Hi everyone its not just Renault Nissan opel I have worked on bmw and Mercedes and i have the same problem with one or more injectors and the tool for removing them is not that expensive
we remove these injectors all the time and never had to replace the engine or cylinder head
I'm so glad that my Renault traffic is a 2016 model
they can have the same faults its only a facelift body, depends how you drive them
It’s not a facelift model. A lot different ,200mm longer for a start. The x83 model they are talking about has a 2 L Nissan engine the new model the mk3 has a 1.6 Renault engine.
I’m so glad I don’t have a DPF in my 2005, good and bad with both
@@martinhull6734 the 2.0 Vivaro still uses a Renault engine
@@darrellcoutinho805 the 2.0L engine in the Trafic from 2007-2014 and 2019- is the M9R. MR engines are Nissan. It is an alliance with Renault but is designated a Nissan engine.
we'll be picking up our 07 Vivaro soon, one of the first jobs... remove the rain skuttle panel and reseal. Just hope the injectors aren't f**ked already. Crazy thing is if these vans were THAT bad we wouldn't so many older ones still on the road. There's 4 in my road alone that belong to neighbours!
they prob have the one i have. which is a 2005 1.9CDTi it is a different engine F9Q. our injectors are at the front, with no trough. my injuector heads are bone dry..
Hi i do feel for you i have a vauxhall vivaro 13reg n its done 108.000 now at the mo its ok but in 1 year ive had it it not started straight away 3 times now n im dreading changing the injector plugs
My 2011 Vivaro 2.0cdti is showing check injection check emissions. I've gathered all the evidence, wish me luck in getting Vauxhall to fix it, for free!!!
Injectors on dci 1.9 recon cost £120 each. Four injectors failing at once is bullshit. The 2.0 vivaro the injectors may seize but why break because seized? All four injectors 100,000 miles? The he repair bill £5k? The garages charging that should be on watch dog themselves. Nothing mentioned about how that charge is extortion. I wouldn't charge anywhere near that. Under a grand for sure. Likely one injector and a hundred pounds labor so £250 plus vat.
the £5k bill is the cost for a new replacement engine and fitting
@@MartinMurray1966 - Which in all honesty is bullocks!! In the WORST case scenario. Engine head would have to come off and the failed injector(s) would have to be drilled out. Notice, this is the worst case scenario! If using proper tools and methods. Head removal would be pretty much never needed! But OK accidents happen so some cases would come to that.
Also very dependent on how long the situation as been going on. As usual early detection and correction saves a lot of time and money.
Like the saying goes. "A gram of prevention is worth..." ;-)
Get an entire new engine... Well, it's a perfect solution for the garage/mechanic involved, that's for sure! ;-)
Not all the garages have a £3000 pound hydraulic puller kit. Most of the time it's useless to try anything else.
I got same problem my van is 2014 model with only 65k on the clock and got check émissions check injectors lights on in the dashboard! Rang vauxhall didn't want to know and said I'll have to pay to fix. So annoying
Same problem with my 57 Trafic cost a fortune to repair.
У всех есть эта проблема, но на 2,0 она более критично. один раз взять герметик и проблемы нет
just started looking at the 2007 vivaro model because my vito has fatally rusted chasis. hmmm
I know this problem very well from having all vivaro’s as we have to pay £500 to have the failing injector drilled out by our local diesel specialist
this is why i own a 1.9CFTi. the F9Q variant. injectors are at the front 🙂
An engineering company in Kirkcaldy Fife charges £100 per injector using an hydraulic machine to remove them.
Ive had my 2007 Trafic 2.0 dci since new, now on 174000 miles, none of these problems, maybe I'm lucky!
@AngryPostmanSthlm2 honestly i think its more an flaw in the injectors themself. Just an bad badge. My vivaro has ben running for 330.000miles. As an company car so its the slut of the company. She takes it all... No problems so far. I did have to replace the egr. But i costed me 30$ and 5hours work.
It would run fine with the faulty one but not recomended of course
@@DiyNuke - It's not an issue of the injectors. This same engine is in several other vehicles from Renault (Megane, Espace...) and others, namely Nissan (X-Trail...).
And in none of them this issue comes up! In fact it's one of the best and most reliable engines out there! Kind of sarcastic we're talking about it failing, isn't it?!
The problem is really a seal design and/or implementation. Many times combined with a blockage in the rubber drains. On both sides of the scuttle panel. Those rubber hoses can be easily seen just by opening the bonnet! Pull them out and clean the leaves and debris accumulated in there. It's just a few minutes task!
For you guys parking under trees be specially aware of this detail. BTW this is an extremely important cleaning point for vehicles of any brand and type. Be it a Toyota or a Mercedes... Chose a name! ;-)
Easy fix for the submerge injector problem in the trough drill 3 tiny holes in side so water drains I've done it with no problems
In the side ?
if these companies dont take responsibility. .. they have to feel consequences
Which is number3injector
always go left to right...
All of them are still the same also renualt master £1000 just for the injectors thats without the price for removing the old ones
I have an upsidedown plastic dinner tray stuck to my air filter
Got the same problem on mine Opel vivaro 2.5 cdti
When this happens to mine i'll set it on fire. Special tool and the hours of work it takes to remove the injectors are going to exceed to value of the car.
And now it happened to my car. Tempting to set it on fire
😂😂😂
ripping off the little ones.. the tie wearers.. were optimising the numbers..
Same problem whit my Renault Trafic 2005
2005 model has 1.9 Renault engine that has plastic cover so not affected.
Same my big problem
@@camwinstone - For what it's worth the 2.0 DCI also has the plastic cover over the injectors area. Although water can still sip trough/around. The rest is history.
BTW for what it's worth, the failing seal. Is a regular neoprene seal that is, pretty much, the standard in the industry. Dependent on conditions it can fail relatively fast or last for a long time. This same type and seal material. Can be found, literally, in every model and brand sold nowadays!
Whatever the case, when it fails, unluckily in this particular model the water accumulate precisely in the injectors bay!
Improving/replacing the seal and keeping the scuttle panel drains clean are some of the actions that can avoid/minimize several head aches in the future. ;-)
God made a mistake designing her face. Whats she gonna sue him for that too.
James Barratt that’s cold but funny 😂
3 different bodys really there all the bloody same!!!! just deferent badges!!
taz89ful you would think they would do their research properly wouldn’t you!
Vauxhall Renault and Nissan are the same van and its a Renault engine and body
The 2 ltr engine is Nissan.
1.6 & 1.9 aren`t not Nissan, Renault F9Q
If this was the only problem…. Owners should know that the timing chain should be replaced at 100000mls.
ergh wrong. its a belt, manual says 30-40k..
Shouldn’t injectors last more than 43,000 miles?
Vauxhall’s are utter shite ,make no mistake!!
....and yes I’ve had one!
The company car we have drove 330.000km and is still going strog
This is a 100 PERCENT FRENCH DESIGN. They are completely useless when is comes to car design.
All made in the same factory by Renault.. Vauxhall opel is just a rebadged trafic. Renault has always had deals with other manufacturers and owns a stake in Nissan
I lost 3000 pounds on mine. The workshop spent 15 hours trying to get out ONE injector. They broke their 20 tons hydraulic tool.
They only charged me for three hours because they where sorry for this STUPID DESIGN. These cars should be called back and BURNED in a huge collective fire. It's only a french design that can be so shitty. THE SHOULD STICK TO MAKING FOOD AND NOT CARS.
Geez! It's a pity you didn't find a decent garage to solve the problem! When you say they broke their hydraulic tool. I can spot right away that someone didn't know how to use their equipment! Or most important solve the problem... :-(
a 20 TON tool would crush your front panels, then squish your mcpherson struts before breaking itself..
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Renault MAKES JUNK. THEY ALWAYS HAVE!!!!!!
That's not true. I have a Renault with 160 000 miles and runs very good. Just few normal problems during the years.
Something's not right in the ridiculous general assumptions! When I was looking to buy my Renault Trafic (cheap). I had trouble finding a, I'll say again, cheap one with relatively low mileage.
What came up at the time was usually above 450k and generally above 500k km, one in particular with 700k! Mine was on the 230k range. Now is slightly above 300k, for the time being!
I guess you don't need to be a genius to figure out that both versions of the story don't match! Do they?!
If it's such a junk. Why on earth are all those km's in there?! Hmm!
BTW 300k and the engine is smooth as new! Once again, strange! Hmm! ;-)
its a NISSAN fault. Renault made the prievious engine, which i have. injectors are at the front, and the airbox covers it all at a shallow angle. oddly, my 2005 1.9CDTi also don`t get rain water leakage..
Horrible engineering. Such a vital component is relied on by a windshield seal? Nothing else? No covering of the injectors or anything? Just a window seal? It's this kind of lazy, half-done crap that manufactures try to get away with. That's why you don't reward them by buying their products when they can't even offer you a reputation for producing reliable products. Stick with toyota and Lexus.
You're a bit delusional! LOL 😂 Maybe that's the reason why Toyota also has several issues going on. On their own quarters! Some went all the way to group lawsuits! Shal we say, Oops!
Wonder why, one of the best reputed Toyota's ever! The "famous" Toyota Hilux, in so many places around the world. For example, from South America to South Africa OR even Australia, Just to mention most of the South Hemisphere. LOL 😂!
Is so "affectionally" called Toyota "Rolux", because of it's tendency to roll, with the occupants inside.
Or why so many have oil consumptions issues. Or VVTi issues and so on... My wife's Toyota had ABS issues "happily" solved/payed by ME! Because as usual they didn't give a sh_t! In spite of being a well know issue, ON BOTH sides of the "pond"! My brother in law, exactly same model and year Toyota, had exactly the same problems! Oops! Again?!! At least for the Airbag and the steering, they made recalls! These three examples is in one Toyota model! Not several models. I repeat, one!
Now the sarcastic part. When my wife's Toyota break down, not so long ago. It was my Renault Traffic 2.0 DCI that towed it back home... My wife was joking that her (Made in Japan) Toyota couldn't be towed by a FRENCH car! LOL 😂
All this crap and all it takes is patience patience patience not one mechanic would touch my Renault when it came to takeing the injections out so it left me todo it myself so took advice from a old utube mechanic be patience i soak the injections for over a week with wd40 and they all came out nicely 😂 wat 😸 mechanics hav we nowdays😂👊
Piles of dung
my 2004 vivaro is still alive, this is a ford propaganda!! ;)
Have a 2008 Vivaro and had to replace 3 injectors already because of this over passed 2 years of owning it.
2004 vivaro had the old 1.9 engine which was not as bad as 2.0 cdti/dci
Mercedeslhamiltonfan The 1.9 engine has a plastic cover on the top, so they are not affected.
@@martinhull6734 what about the 2ltr cdi 2007 ? thanks
@@uptowndisco2 That is the Nissan engine, it replaced the 1.9 Renault engine. No plastic cover so water can get in.
my van is 2008 traffic and it has done only 76000 so far suddenly all the injectors have gone i took it to the garage for repair and it cost me a fortune to get them removed and replaced when I saw this video I had had some hope to get some money back from Renault (because my van has been manufactured between 2006 and 210) as they said BUT when called Renault they said i should have taken the van first to Renault garage to free diagnose and after that if it is injectors problem then they will give me an estimate for the repair work which i will have to pay for( hahahahah taking people for idiots.....)
please don't believe this B****sh and reporting anything to Renault will not sort out your problems
I am selling this van soon and from now on i will only go for German vans or cars
hassan souani so the German manufactured vehicles don’t come with problems?! 🤔
Opel is german and yet its the same.....
Its just as simple as removing the cover flood it with some oil and ya will never have this problem..
Best bet is to go for a transporter
@@DiyNuke opel is a rebadged renault there’s nothing german about those vans. They are french