Don't Break Your Bearings! - Whale Talk
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2020
- Did you know you can break your bearings installing them?
Do you use spacers? @whalebonesworld explains why you should.
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its about time a company did stuff like this, I remember hanging out at the skateshop as a kid and realizing how little I knew about truck sizes and wheels and shit, but being way to cool to ask questions
Not asking questions is not cool.
What percentage of skaters 20 years old and under do you think use, know ,comprehend or understand bearing spacers ??? Hint: the number is very very low....30 years ago the percentage was 5 times what it is now.....
I’ve always skated with the spacers, but now I know why they help! Thanks Ron
There's a very solid argument to be made how spacers will force bearings to line up much better with the truck axle and therefore spin faster with less resistance. Definitely a good idea to use spacers.
@@PHeMoX.... Yes sir that is a fact and that is built into the design....
I have always used spacers and my wheels have always spun perfect. I've never had problems like others say, with their wheels getting stuck or feeling like they're slower.
I have the Bronson Ceramics on Spitfire ff full conical wheels with spacers. Absolutely no problem whatsoever. I freaking fly. I love these bearings!
Greatest info on TH-cam about bearings.. al ways wondered bout spacers and washers
Glad you enjoyed!
"Use spacers"
Then your bronson g3 team riders should come with spacers.
Got a pack of Bronson Raws, was bummed that they didn't come with spacers, since my regular G3s did previously
100% this! The G2's have spacers, the regular G3's have them too... why not the pro G3's or the Raws?
Just got G3 Winkowski’s and no spacers :( would’ve gotten the ones with spacers if I knew
@@PMurray2694 the team riders who get these for free aren't who should be considered when selling them, it's the every day rider who has to buy em
This is actually better than Geezers bearing and bearing spacer breakdown video.... He got sidetracked into what doesn't matter and didn't stress on what does matter..... Great video and great breakdown.....
Amazing information, quick to the point too
There was a 411VM setup segment with Ed Templeton back in 2004(?). He used the bearing spacers, and from then on, I started using them too
Always a great video! Thanks
Man I miss bombing the bike path at UCSC.
The intro reminds me of a early 00s infomercial. We need more.
💯 I've been using washers and spacers since 1989... 😎👍
: OUTSTANDING instructional info video.
If you only have a shield on one side of the bearings, which side should the shield be facing?
I'd say on the inside. Keeps the dirt out.
Thanks for the tips
No problem!
You know speed washers and spacers work because you can tighten the nut all the way down and they still spin freely. Cant do that with out em!
Love this nerdy skateboard talk... this vid also makes me further skeptical about the bronson shieldless, I'm under the assumption that the shields are meant to hold the oil/lubricant you use after cleaning the bearings.
I think the appeal of shieldless bearings is that you run them dry and can clean them more often. So its not really about keeping them lubricated. I think there's also a love for that sound of that dry spin.
Sounds like I need to do some research and make a video about the benefits of the Bronson Raws. Thx!
Thank you! Q20 also good for you
Cool video! But it leaves me with a question. If spacer and washer are so important, and i use them, why does bronson now stop selling their bearings, "Raws" and "Pro G3s", without spacer and washer?
Good question. Not everyone uses spacers. Raws, pro G3's don't come with spacers but the original orange G3s and G2s do.
do spacers make you go faster? For cruising
Is that the same place where Rob Roskopp skates in Wheels of Fire?
Yes! UCSC bike paths.
He needed the soundtrack.
The video mentions which side of the g3 bearing faces out. What about ceramics? Which side faces in/out on ceramics?
Is there any benefit to using a Bearing Press Vs just pressing them in & then tighten using The Axel Nut???
I tried them and they do ride nice but I took em off because the axle nut is so loose I can take it off by hand. Is that a safety issue I should be concerned about?
Someone told me if you get bones bearings the spacers that come with them are best matched with other bones wheels since the middle core is perfect size for those spacers. I put the one bearing on a spitfire FF and the spacer that came with my bones bearings to see the spacer would stick out and it kinda looked it did just a little but on the bones wheel it was a perfect fit. Do all spacers fit every wheel the same?
No and thats the problem with spacers. You will damage the bearing if the spacer is not seated properly. All wheels need to have a standardised core..
What do you think about removing the shields? I like the way it looks and sounds, but I'm little worried about its durability
If you a freak about your board like I am and you’re constantly cleaning and or doing something to it then by all means remove em I find it does spin better without em
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Cool
So I'm new to skateboarding and bought a complete zero deck. When I
removed the soft wheels it came when, and installed hard wheels I
noticed that when I screw the top nut of the wheel on tightly the wheels
don't roll out properly anymore, but come to a stop quickly. I do got
bearing spacers and I'm told that you can screw a top nut on tightly
with spacers and should roll out for a long time. Can anyone help?
Thanks!
Maybe try loosening the nuts a little so it's not too tight. There is a chance the spacers or the bearings may have been damaged when switching them in the wheels. They should be able to withstand the strain but sometimes completes don't have come with the best bearings. It's one of the things that allow a complete to less expensive than buying all the parts individually.
Remember Lucky's bearings? Ha, those were rad.
You can use a popped bearing inner race for a spacer
@sjw slayer 2nd
It’s not perfect but it’s better than nothing
If only spacers could be used with most skateboard wheels. The spacers are wider than most hubs of skateboard wheels.
Great
Is there 2 removable shields or one on the Bronson g2 bearings????
On the G2's you can remove either side so 2.
Damn,i never used the spacers,but now i need it. 😁
They'll help your bearings last longer for sure.
I've always used spacers, but one time I forgot to put them in and my board felt so much faster. And after I put them back in, I noticed the difference. So I'm not sure about them making you faster
Interesting. Maybe your wheels were over tightened at first. They won't make your wheels spin any faster (or slower) when your bearings are new but they help your bearings stay faster over over time by protecting them from sideways stress.
at last someone who knows what theyre on about
Should the spacers move around inside the wheel when they are off the trucks?
Yes, that's fine. Although a little annoying when you're putting your wheels back on and trying to get them to line up with the bearings.
@@NHSSkateDirect ok good, I wasn't sure if that's normal and it's worse in one wheel so that's the hard one to get lined up 😅
How do they not even mention cleaning them and re-lubricating? pls do this people youll go so fast on 2 yr old bearings. Great info otherwise awesome to see how/why spacers help, I wonder if that extra support even makes them roll a bit faster on average
Good point. We'll get something going on bearing cleaning. Bronson has new ceramic bearings with a cleaning unit and we're working on a video with those coming soon. Thank for the feedback! -Ron
I have a ripped bearing shield on one of my bearings and the shield is popping out every few ollies. I have tried to put my shield in really hard and it stays in for a few days but always manages to pop back out again when I skate enough. I don’t even know how it ripped and it’s driving me crazy.
Had that happen as well. Once a shield is damaged it often won't snap back on correctly. Maybe leave that shield off and turn it around so the exposed side is facing inside the wheel.
If they are Bones bearings you can buy replacement shields and cages.
Would really like to see all skate bearings tested scientifically instead of stories/anecdotal. Luckily I'm not sponsored so I'm free to do this. All it requires is skating same amount of time every week, test the bearings with multiple speed runs after 3 months or so. Will post results in a year or so.spacers/no spacers will do both. Probably 10-15 of my preferred bearings. If a reputable person did this it would turn the bearing industry upside down since theres probably $50 bearings that run similar to $15 ones just no one has even attempted to test this stuff smh
I hate having spacers between my bearings, it makes an annoying rattling noise. Makes for my Nora Bronson G3’s to not be a smooth ride. But I do keep my washers in and love how smooth my ride is!💜🥰
Finally a benefit of no spacers I didn't consider (have thought of spacers but skateshop guy said nah not needed). Has anyone tested these claims? I'm about to start testing bearings by skating 3 months same time 3 times a week then doing multiple speed trials down a smooth path I have but sheesh there's millions of skaters out there has no one put science to test these claims of "they'll last longer" it's seems all anecdotal
@@franciscoramirez9867 I have been using spacers on only one set of wheels (55mm Oj Mini Super Juices) on and off and it makes a cool difference with either bearing. Landing gives you a better recovery and you feel more centered for better truck feel but I mainly speak free about traveling than tech. I prefer to not use spacers with harder wheelsfor tech since if the spacer is not the proper lenght in the wheels depth, it will cause early coning on the wheels thus making me needing to check on them regularly more. If the spacer is too long, the bearing will stick out further away from the wheel using the spacer as a center point to catch the bearing than the inner bearing roll cage but it may be worth the experience if you're really needing to save your bearings but ceramics were made to not need to worry as much in recovery points than just riding.
why doesnt bronson give spacers on the pro model bearings
For the pro G3's Bronson decided to keep the packaging minimal. Some people don't use spacers so they left them out of the pro G3's and still have them in the regular G3's as well as the G2's.
Do the pro g3 zions come with spacers
The Bronson Raws and pro G3's don't come with spacers. The original G3's and G2's do.
No pro model Bronson comes with spacers. Why? None of the pros use them.
this is skateboard science, also i thought bearings were suppose to be inserted the other way, because dirt can easily get in with the cage showing?
That side with the stripe does face the cage outwards but doesn't expose the cage to dirt. I always thought it was the other way as well.
Is that Ron Whaley?
Hi there. Yes. - Ron
NHS Fun Factory Hi Ron
Do spacers slow your bearings down
Damn they really did one power slide on bones stf to show the bearings and spacer in the wheel
No Bones in this vid. Strictly Rictas I believe.
@@NHSSkateDirect I think it was a flat spot joke
I had a cheap set of bearings explode and eat into my trucks after a stair jump. I made sure to use spacers afterwards...
Dale decker did kind of a cheap vs expensive bearing test but it can EASILY be done waaaaay better
Ive been skating my bones ceramics, with no spacers, for 2 years now. I skate 3-4 times a week for a couple hours. Clean em and grease em every couple months.
You must understand that today the STOOGE FACTOR has superceded the common knowledge of many years of sk8...😮
out in the middle of nowhere talkin about the inward race
Dont make this about race.
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Problem is not all bearings come with spacers, most cheap bearings don't. I personally use Bronson g3s because they come with spacers
Very true.
Proof that all skaters have balls.
What about lube?
We'd suggest Bronson Speed Oil or another lubricant that is designed for skateboard bearings.
@@NHSSkateDirect no mention of it in video
I fixed the problem of broken bearings by buying Bronson's instead of Bones bearings. This is no joke, I'm dead serious about it. I bought Swiss Bones five times in a row and sometimes they only lasted about 4-6 weeks. My first and only set of Bronson Ceramics is about 2 years old and still runs absolutely fine.
Half of my bronson g3s broke because the shield dented inwards, they did last much longer than bones reds though. Right now I'm trying bones big balls with spacers and it feels amazing, sounds very solid
@@slarbiter you gotta be careful about how you install them, you can also un-dent the shields by prying them out with a needle and with a small rubber mallet you can flatten them back out
SOOO YOU PUT THE REMOVABLE SHIELD ON THE INSIDE? THAT SEEMS WRONG WAY ROUND.
That's what I thought too till I found out they were designed to go stripe out.
The problem using spacers is that most street wheels are too small for the spacer to fit between the bearings, the bearings can’t sit flush all the way in with the spacer there.
Sounds like you might have the big spacers. They come in 2 sizes. 6mm and 8mm. Smaller tend to fit on smaller street/cruzer wheels and the bigger on XL longboard wheels.
@@NHSSkateDirect You should sell them then! They're impossible to find by size...
I´ve never rolled out without a spacer and have broken just a very few bearings in my life.
There we go. Spacer testimonial.
1:33 yeah mate that is not how physics work. if the force comes from the top, the outer edge of the INNER bearing will take it. the outer bearing has no axial load AT ALL in this scenario. A spacer can, under no circumstance, transfer any force of any kind in the opposite direction of the vector, so you can imagine how much it will change. nothing.
If the wheel core doesn't match up with the spacer than its doing nothing
my fuckin cages break like 2 weeks into a pair lol
only problem is that not all spacer work wit hall wheels. and not all spacers are the same size in length.
True story. Make sure the spacers fit the wheels.
Spacers should came with wheels not with the bearings, the inner core of the wheels changes and some spacers doesn’t fit well and cause inefficiency or doesn’t fit properly
Very true. Depends on the spacers and brand of wheels.
I just cant stand the sound of spacers rattling. It makes me feel like the steel balls blew out when they didnt lol. As for the washers/speed rings. Those are a must.
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Oy
ive not once ever been able to use the given spacers on my boards... they just dont fit, id have to shave the spacers down by hand every single time, fuck that
Bearings that roll faster depending on which way they are facing?? Yeah, sorry, but have to call bs on that. Physics literally doesn't work like that. No bearing is off balance by design along any axis. And most bearings will have one (more) open side that faces inwards only to prevent dirt from getting in there as easily. It has nothing to do with speed itself. The other factor that matters a lot is to get GOOD wheels. If a bearing doesn't sit flush with the actual wheel itself or has cores that are not straight, it will wobble a lot when spinning. Also, it is a very bad idea to sink in bearings by tightening the nut and getting it in that way. You're going to ruin the wheel, especially when they are softer or have like a plastic core for the bearing to sit in. Bad idea, because you're basically overtightening them before they get to where they should. It's also the best way to damage the shields directly. A better idea is to put your skateboard on the ground and use your upper body weight to get the bearing into the wheel. Unless you're a total gigant, you're not going to be able to damage the bearing that way, nor the wheel. Think of it like tightening a nut with your fingers, versus tightening it with a tool. It should be obvious which one is safer should you ever get the nut on poorly. The tool in that case is likely to destroy some threads. Last but not least, I'd say most bearings have best value when they are fairly cheap, well maintenanced and last a few months, versus buying the expensive ones that can and will break too. So don't fall for the whole 'expensive bearings are better' nonsense. 99% of the time the roads and dirt / gravel / mud pools etc. you ride on will define how long bearings last.
Woah pause. What was that Black and white wheel you commies pressed back there?
The 2 tone black and white wheels?: Slime Balls Double Take Minis... although it doesn't look like we're making that color way anymore.
Buy nothing about cleaning techniques and time frames...
My best tip is not to buy Bronson's since they break faster than any bearing I've ever had.
Dont agree with shit he said lol