He didn't even read the book. He did the equivalent of like read the first 5 lines of the Lord of the Rings over and over again and goes "Isn't this one ring kinda sketchy? Man I wish they'd tell us more about this one ring!" is the most aggravating part. He has a 25 minute opening statement and spends it literally just repeating the same 6 buzz words over and over again and grandstanding. "He wants to redefined our biological identities!" "Cool, what does that mean?" "Well he's kind of vague.... But Prince Harry and other scary people said resetting our economy after a crisis is good!" which is code for "I didn't read past the scary buzzwords." I imagine if he actually read past the foreword for whatever this Claus guy's beliefs are this debate would've had some merit, instead it was listening to a guy speak for like a fucking hour repeating the same shit surface level buzzword shit, and acting incredulous at being asked questions. Actually reading the book would've given this debate an actual topic lol
Right!!! Did he answer a single question.. he’s a master deflector! Such a clown this Tristan guy. I’ve never heard someone use so many Buzzwords in my life.
@@lightbeforethetunnel I mean considering any time Destiny tried to discuss him any further, Tristian refused to continue the conversation because Destiny is an atheist and doesn't believe in objective moral truth. I'd say yeah. This debate ground to an absolute halt any time Destiny tried to ask him what his thoughts on individual aspects of the conversation was, and Tristian always tried to drag it back to meta ethical discussions on pre suppositionalist bullshit. If his position is that no one can have a position on the great reset, unless they believe in god, then the debate subject should've been "Can you have morals under an athiest world view?" or he could exclusvely debate other religious people. Instead he wasted everyone's time saying nothing with the only person in the room who wasn't sick of him by the end of it was Pedro - who also is a presuppositionalist. Like damn, even getting the guy to answer the question "Do you think this is bad?" "YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT AND TELL ME WHAT I BELIEVE!" shit. You have to be delusional or lying to think anyone but Tristian was dodging questions.
I am trying to reach my word count on my essay, that is to say that what my goal in engaging in the forming of this extended statement is, is to ensure that the requirement being enforced upon me by my educational institution of reaching a certain amount of conglomerates of alphabetical characters having been typed is met or surpassed.
What do you mean, bro the industrial revolution of the product of the system is a new man reset is not only under but dehumanizing Brendan Schaub clout Brendan Claus, Schwab, Brennan, Claude, Santa Claus
Just watched this for the first time. Something i have experienced with some of the more religious people is their inability to recognize mental issues if they are hyperfocused on religious concepts. This man seems schizophrenic with grandiose looping thoughts that are keyed into words but not attached to actual meaning. Something like this happened with someone i know and any concerns i raised about it were dismissed because i am not a believer in Jesus. If i were, i would understand what receiving messages from God can be like. Anyway, she eventually shaved her head and tried to cross the border on her way to south America to heal their nations and that's when the family decided maybe she needed lithium.
@@weldshop8499 This is my 3rd time watching this debate. Its very calming to listen to while working and knowing it delays into chaos. If played correctly, I should be able to listen the chaos while driving.
@@TheMrTangamandapio And it clearly paid off. It confused the opponent that the beta male was somehow immune to his alpha energy. The "beta" in Destiny is just a facade for his true form of Sigma male which he uses to counter with simple questions, without any signs of hostility and takes control of the conversation.
@@roharbaconmoo Lol this guy is clearly not very bright lol you can tell someone told him everything he’s regurgitating like a child lol. He can’t even defend his positions. He’s just not smart lol he’s pretty dull. Completely incapable of independent thinking 😂 This guy was excruciating 😂 he’s the perfect example of “it’s hard to debate an intelligent person but impossible to debate a stupid person.”
@@illkissyourightnow That happens when youre an idiot and get entangled into a conspiracy.. it is really urgend to you, even though you know nothing about it...
hes saying bad atheist in charge are going to control people through any idea that is a new idea. he just said that over and over using a collection of words.
This wouldn’t be such a strange question to pose to a mereological nihilist like Destiny who believes all categories are mere useful fictions, including the categories of male and female.
I have to wonder if the question was meant to tease Destiny for having asked moments before for a definition of "stakeholder." While still eyeroll-inducong, it's at least less nutty.
This is the entertainment you can only get from Destiny. 2.5 hours of absolutely nothing really being said and watching someone act like an irreparable psycho while Destiny sits there looking like he’s unsure if he wants to commit suicide or homicide.
@@johnwatts8346 do you think he's correct that he beat Destiny in the debate? 🤔 because I just heard him ramble absolute nonsense in circles over and over again, getting pissy when anyone countered anything he said lol
he also complained about strawman's and then strawmans destiny every chance. Complains about ad hominem and does that as well. Presups aren't worth talking to especially if he says things like evolution is a theory
@@martinhectormartinhector7260 it's just really sad that rhetoricstiny was out in full force (until "does God know what it's like to have a dick in the ass?") and the dude was still hyper defensive and upset. The one good thing about presups is that I think that's what really triggered destiny to start looking into philosophy and being able to engage with these sorts of arguments. Based Darth Dawkins 🙏
@@rossedwards3623 lol someone butt hurt? You actually think that Tristen chick knew what he was talking about. Keep using words you don’t understand, it’s hilarious. Tristen read a book and gave a report on it without actually understanding what it meant. It’s hilarious to watch. He can’t describe what he doesn’t like about what he says he doesn’t like, because he doesn’t even know what the thing he doesn’t like is. It’s actually amazing to be that dense.
@@rossedwards3623 Destiny is also a video game, and a word in general. He even makes fun of how it’s a girl name, insecure losers who act like middle schoolers I’m sure hold it against him 🤦♂️
Destiny: *breathes* Tristan: You're actually strawmaning the entire right wing - - - - - - - - Tristan: ''I won this 3 times over'' 5 min later Tristan: ''I won this 15 times over'' 10 min later Tristan: ''I won this 5 times over'' Damn, Destiny ALMOST making the comeback from a -15 Win/Loss
This should be the top comment. Destiny turned a blow out into a narrow loss. Only a veteran could have kept their composure and battled against those odds.
@@canyonshep , he stopped pimping rides when cars gained the rights to autonomy on how they can be bought and sold; no need for pimps. Also, the memes never died. Xzibit lives within us... always, and forever.
Tristan: "Do you like cheese?" Destiny: "Generally speaking, cheese is..." Tristan: "Because you say you like cheese and cheese doesn't believe in god and futhermore..." If Tristan was asking the question xD
Tristan: "The Great Reset is inherently bad" Destiny: "Why do you think it's bad?" Tristan: "That's a false-equivalency strawman ad-hominem. You're debating in bad faith and lost the debate 15 times."
He’s doing that because that’s how he thinks destiny wins debates, “the virgin logically sound argument” VS “the CHAD incoherent schizoid ramblings and misuse of philosophical terminology”
And the perfect example of “it’s hard to debate an intelligent person but impossible to debate a stupid person” 😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ He’s excruciating. He’s definitely been told exactly what to say and think. He’s incapable of thinking for himself.
What genuinely makes me agree with Destiny that the guy is unhinged is that he jumped from "you've lost 4 times" to "15 times" after 2 back and forths.
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Destiny is a stupid f____t. Destiny ended the debate. Destiny is a disgrace beyond words.
The word of God is all about the scriptures, man. Trouble is, they were written by humans. I find it fascinating that people still believe in God in 2023. We are so much more easier to brainwash than we realize. Well, the ones who own the media companies certainly realize it. Otherwise they wouldn't have invested in that business.
@@Sandlund93 Exactly... I honestly think the whole bible is a bunch of BS because in today's day and age if you got pregnant without having sex with your husband, would people call it a gift from god or would people just say that the wife is lying about cheating? I think mary is not so virgin mary.
1:21:00 After 20 minutes of trying to avoid it, Destiny caves and explains why meta-ethics is a massive time waste in under 30 seconds. He really tried to pull his punches on this guy and have a real discussion. Legend.
Tristan : “All Destiny cares about is winning the debate!” Also Tristan: “I totally won this debate like 15 times over , nothing I said was even wrong”
I love how everyone has to treat Tristan like a baby, lowering their voices and speaking very slowly, just so he can understand what they're asking and so that he doesn't start having another tantrum.
Even holding their hands up when they're trying to calm him down while asking a question and bringing order into the debate Looks like they're being held at gun point, that's how delusional this Tristan guy is
This guy gave a schizophrenic ramble for 25 minutes, asked for timed responses because he couldn't handle a conversation and then couldn't stop himself interrupting Destiny's timed response for literally 10 seconds... has he talked to people before?
He probably talks to some strangers in subways when they are just trying to commute to work and got stuck in a crowded cart with him and him rambling the 25 schizophrenia speech to them
The part where he goes “I’m only half way through my opening statement” then watching the moderators try to keep it together while chat goes bonkers was hilarious and pretty much foreshadowed how the rest of this debate was going to go down.😂
@@darkleon100 His biggest issue there is he just repeated the same thing over and over again. Claus Schwab said...... He said this in his book called Covid-19, where he said... Just list all the places where he said these things.
I'm only 10 minutes in and I'm already tearing my hair out over how he keeps equivocating between the fourth industrial revolution (the increasing digitization and automation of society and how it changes people's lives) and the great reset (an economic plan for managing the post-covid recovery). He's literally taking descriptions of how humans have been adapting to technological progress and trying to twist them into sounding like some top down government/industry agenda. I can already tell that this is going to be painful to listen to...
27:36 Destiny - "What is an example of a policy you think is a bad idea" Tristan - "was that supposed to be a question" Destiny - "I can write it down with a question mark if you want" Hahaha
The bald guy is literally the meme of the guy who's celebrating a victory, throwing his hands up in the air, showering himself in Champaign, all while being in third place.
"Okay we have a great show planned today, should be some heated back and forth..." "Yo, mind if I water board your audience with 20 minutes of bullshit before we begin?" "Well I rather you didn't, I mean we..." "In 1792 noted bogapediatitian and tigglesnatcher Hershal C Muhcocksalongdong laid out his 47 principles as to why mixing eggs and rye bread will bring about the apocalypse..." "You're not going to list all 47 are..." "Principle number one! Rye bread is for bitches!"
Tristan: asks complete question, and then stops talking. Destiny: "well-" Tristan: "I wasn't done!" I have never wanted to pull my own hair out before but jesus christ
That was my takeaway as well. This guy had the requisite privilege (white, educated) to easily expand his worldview beyond the dumpster, and decided to make his home there instead.
I think Tristan is legitimately unhinged, and will likely go undiagnosed for his entire life. But those piano bits and questions about God’s ‘omniscience’ were some of destiny’s best debate moments. Cracking up over here
@@harl4227 >reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee listen to my unmedicated schizophrenic monologues Sorry bro but the songs you're listening to aren't directly addressing you
We all know guys like Tristian. The dude who reads one thing and doesn’t think beyond it so when challenged totally freaks out because it never occurred to him that he may be wrong or limited. Yes we all know guys like Tristian and they always come up to you at a bar they’re in by themselves to “debate” strangers in order to prove themselves.
Hmm... not my take exactly. I think this is more like... an economist (destiny) debates a phillosopher (tristan) and there is a vacuum of common ground. The thing is there is a whole cannon kind of related to these ideas. I haven't read it too wel, but there is like Weber and Marx and Heidegger. Who are all interested in like... how social structures and general phillosophical trends influence thought. It's weird, difficult to falsify, heady stuff. But it's not exactly crazy.
On one hand: He's either a troll or unhinged. And its amazing content. On the other hand: I hope I don't hear about this guy in the news or ever again.
The moment big papa fascist said “Tristian, you have about 1 min left” after he spoke for over 10 min and Tristian proceeded and said “No, im only half way done and im going to finish” I got literal shivers as I knew I would be in for a treat…
This man clearly never been in an official debate. If he had, he would know debates are typically won by general perspective of the audience. Who did the audience mostly agree with. I'm an hour and a half into this debate and I still don't know what this man believes in. Although I should message him and thank him for the great book recommendation. I just can't wait for the great reset now!
yes , there is alot of crazy spitiual sht going on . even one attracting us to continue watching the chaos. its all most unfortunate. honestly neither side was working in good faith. 50 years from now we'll all be like fk! we should of discussed this more. lol
@@viziontrex also, anyone falling back on some sort of "principle" (in Tristan's case his morality or how he perceives truth) is already at a loss in terms of a debate or discussion. In my experience, anyone that's done that cannot win a given argument, or even a given point in an argument.
@@_xTASY Most people who have (I think he said 7, PHds) communicate poorly because they have no working knowledge of, nor conviction in, the stance they have cornered themselves into - See MAGA Hogs.
As someone who just finished studying commerce, listening to him misinterpret a concept I am confident my 9 year old cousin would understand is so frustrating.
“Clearly 2 exists as revealed by scripture but it also doesn’t exist because science and ad hom strawman false equivalency that didn’t answer my question which you lost 15 times in the first 20 seconds… What? I’m answering your question, here’s a Schwabb video”.
Tristan: "Well Klaus Schwab in his book COVID-19: The Great Reset, which I have here in my hand, he referred to the concept of math and numbers such as 2 multiple times, yet he only uses them in vague terms, never outlining clearly what he means by it. So my question for you is if you're okay with understanding the world through methods which have been decided for you by a collection of mathematicians such as Pythagoras, Archimedes, Brahmagupta, al-Khwarizmi, Turing, etc.? You're really okay with having the world's existence dictated to you by anyone except God?"
During Tristan's opening statement, Andrew's facial expressions are hilarious. He realizes what a mess he invited. What the hell, this is an online debate, not a trial. We don't need a 15-30 min opening statement. Edit: Finished both opening statements, Destiny asks "what is a stakeholder", and Tristan goes on another pseudo-tirade. This is gonna be a juicy one. Edit 2: Tristan, at least let your opponent answer your question in a debate without you barging in every 30 seconds. If your opponent can be quiet while you go on your 20 min monologue, give them the same respect when they try respond for 1 damn minute. You look like an idiot. Edit 3: Tristan... if you use a quote, you should willing to explain what the quote means in your own words. How do you have a PhD, but lack basic communicative skills? Come on Tristan, this isn't a good look for you. Edit 4: Tristan, why the hell is it so hard to just explain what position you hold, without going on a tirade or need quotes or a video? My guy... what is actually wrong with you? Edit 5: I'm truly fascinated if Tristan behaves with other people like this. He actually sounds unstable.
The moderator's answer to the dispute between 2 conflicting revelations demonstrates the problem with revelations. The moderator said in that instance, he would look to external evidence and logical arguments (even if they're unsound). That shows that revelation cannot be the foundation, because the ultimate appeal cannot be to revelation.
"You lost 3 minutes in" - a guy who read a book for half an hour as an opening statement and interrupted every response. I wonder what knd of kangaroo university gave this idiot a PHD, because a cockroach in my basement could use a doctorate.
@@ataridc And he managed to convince me of two things: 1. There is no god. If god existed, he'd lightning blast that motherfucker into oblivion. 2. You can be either religious or moral. Can't be both.
Not even that it's happening. That it's being proposed by people who are godless, therefore evil, so the proposal must also be evil. The debate bro in me wants to scream "ad hominem!" from the rooftops.
But don't ask me anything about it, because you aren't argueing with me, you are arguing with this youtube clip im going to find real quick. (Tristen pov)
This is the third time I’ve watched this debate since I watched it live and each time I watch it only gets better, funnier and cringier. I don’t know if that Tristan guy was hoping to use this debate to launch his career as a stakeholder in the marketplace of ideas but we haven’t seen him since. This is just top Destiny debating. Chefs kiss 💋
True, any deviation from his envisioned script made him collapse and it revealed how utterly clueless he is. All he had were buzzwords and article titles. The whole stupid meta-ethics debate only happened because it was a deflection when he wasn't able take a position on whether an aspect of the alleged great reset was a good or bad thing and why he thinks that is the case. How can anyone have any meaningful conversation with that dude?
This guy is like a poorly programmed debate ai. Every response is just spitting out random debate terms like "straw man" or "ad hom" and arguing against every single sentence destiny says even if it contradicts his own argument.
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 You missed the point. He doesn’t even understand the questions he’s being asked. Even when asked yes or no questions, he falls apart and resorts to reading from that guys book. His lack of understanding in anything is quite remarkable.
This dude really showed up with a 4th grade presentation and committed to NEVER go from his pre written words so in his mind he could never lose…instead of just talking like a human to another human.
What? This is just blatantly untrue. You're saying Tristan "never went from his pre written words" ... it's absurd. It's just variation of the ever present atheist "I don't understand therefore it's word salad or a script" Ad hominem you guys always deflect with. Do you guys really think we haven't picked up on these tactics and we don't know what you're doing?
@@paleskin5087 Generally, the biggest issue holding atheists back is their inability to engage COHERENTLY with people who don't have the same beliefs/worldview they do. You guys would gain a lot from learning about logical fallacies so you could begin debating COHERENTLY with people you disagree with. Step 1, for the vast majority of Atheists, would be to simply learn about logical fallacies, at least until you're educated enough about them where you can dispute posts you don't agree with in a way that isn't invalid. That's what logical fallacies are: Invalid arguments / responses. Logical fallacies are inadmissible on their face in intellectual forum.
@danpitman5555 this one used to be the most annoying and un-listenable debate, but his most recent debate on the Whatever Podcast easily beats this one. yeouch. sheeeehhh
It couldn't be any debate with Tristan because he couldn't handle his own point of view. I find him a bit scary because of his mental health/condition, he's really out there, delusional at best
It's interesting that this multiple PHD holder doesn't have a single reference to it on his website where he sells $250 1 hour coaching sessions on how eating an all meat diet is good.
yea I was hunting for ANY info on it. Despite his twitter including "PhD" 7 times in the title, and labeled in his name on this debate panel, there is zero information on the content of these anywhere on his site bio's. If these labels are so important to someone's persona you would think information on his accreditations would be moderately easy to locate. I mean dang I have my college listed on most of my social pages and my degree doesn't mean dick. Given even an "accelerated" PhD takes 4 years to complete (many are 8 years), and a nutrition PhD (the most likely one he might have if I'm being charitable) takes 4-6, I' think its safe to assume outside perhaps nutrition, all of these "PhD's" are BS.
@@tramarthomas6105 I think they did a great job, it's a guest in your home turf which almost always leads to accusations of favouritism. Besides, letting him talk a lot gave him plenty of rope. I actually agree with a bunch of this guys concerns and spent half the time yelling "NO DESTINY ISN'T SAYING THAT, GOD I HATE THIS GUY" at my phone like a moron. Maybe not productive but sure was entertaining.
The look in this guy's eyes, his tone of voice, and his body language are all the embodiment of what I don't want to be having a conversation with. I would be worried about a guy like this stabbing me outside a bar if I got into an argument with him. Something is wrong with him, and I don't know what it is.
Having been raised deeply a religious Southern Baptist, it is a sort of psychosis and stern rejection of reality. Trust that instinct because this is a dangerous person. He would absolutely put atheists into camps if it was within his power.
It's what religious fundamentalism looks like. People like that did stone and burn others at the stake not long ago in human history. It was not simpletons who created the reasoning behind it, no, those were the educated ones, like the "PhD" in this video, while simpletons followed them.
1:26 starts off insultimg trans comm. 2:00 foreshadowing 13:33 so far I can tell Tristian doesn't want machine or nature exalted above god 26:54 Tristian laughs (but yells at Destiny later for same thing 1:47:45) 25:06 opening statement ends BUT HE NEVER STATES HIS POSITION ON ANYTHING 27:27 this question will never be answered 27:38 "Is that supposed to be a question?" (28:32 Tristian reciprocally mad) 29:05 Tristian presupposes Destiny's position 29:12 Tristin presupposes and interrupts ("LET ME SPEAK") 29:33 Tristian presupposes and repeats his question 29:54 More presupposition, the definition dodging begins. 30:22 Tristian's definition (30:24 "shutup and let me finish") 30:49 "What is the planet?" gatcha! (30:34 Tristian just used this in his definition) 31:30 Tristian's questions are hyperbolic 31:51 Tristian laugh pt. 2 33:44 You think you're gonna have a say in your answer 36:35 Request for timed responses... from the interrupter. 38:01 look at Destiny's face xD Mod lights up bcuz he know its gonna be a long one 40:00 - I'm going to presuppose that "you believe..." (56:33 gaslighting) 40:10 No, a debate is meant to change the listeners minds not those of the debaters. 41:08 from "excuse me" to 44:47 "if you're here to debate" wowie 45:13 Destiny question followed by Tristian sarcastically repeating the question 46:10 the most smug delivery of the word transhumanism ever 46:13 military ect wants implanted devices 46:29 opening statement guy want devices 46:34 Destiny: "Do these exist?" 46:37 Tristian: "Yeah." Destiny: Are people forced into these? 46:55 Tristian: "Do these need to be forced?" fearmongering-1.png 46:58 the beginning of the end. Moderator smoking. 47:22 Destiny: "Question" Tristian: "Strawman" 48:00 T: "...use logical fallacies in a debate?" D: "No...." T: REEE 48:22 the middle of the end 49:24 none of us know his position on anything 50:14 This is the debate in a nutshell (50:21 3 min in we still had 20 min to go of Tristian's opening statement holy smokes gaslighting and self-awareness are off the charts) 50:33 the end of the end. From now till 56 min is absolutely insanity in debate terms 52:22 "I'm sure you're gonna be a stakeholder" but earlier he couldn't name anything that wasn't voluntary! 53:30 no stance is his argument, just like the 20 min opening statement, no substance 52:48 the moment both moderators came to Destiny's aid. Even the religious one that ends up arguing against him. 53:50 Tristian ALMOST commits to a viewpoint (54:02, 54:11 "Do I think this is a good or bad thing?...") - - - - - ANSWER = morality is objective, contraception is wrong. (Nothing to do with the question btw) 1:01:04 Moment this becomes a meta-ethics religious 'debate' 1:01:49 Tristian has no idea what moral anti-realist means... 1:02:01 Tristian DOES NOT EVEN LISTEN (I'm tired of presuppositionists) 1:11:11 Tristian with the GASLIGHTING! (after taking a drink and not even looking) (meth accusation) 1:22:11 Tristian actually says "methy mouth." Next level insanity drug abuse gaslighting. 1:40:11 Tristian has literally taken no position on anything despite both moderators pressuring him. 1:47:10 leads him to say 1:48:00 " ok just just die" 1:47:26 more of Tristian's presupposing question followed by soliloquy nonsense 1:48:33 is this parody?! 1:54:45 is Tristian even listening to his own definition? pt. 2 My summary/takeaway: Gaslighting masterclass. Tristian got mad because he expected everyone to know his position. He expects everyone to have his own preconceived religious viewpoints. He redefined what it is to be a debate partner. Avoid this man if all aspects of your life. What is his position? What is he debating? WTF does he believe on anything? Don't ask him though, he may rephrase your question for one of his own. Then interrupt your answer. To critique Destiny: he got sarcastic/derogatory after too few responses... but that was nearly 30 min into the conversation. On his second response... xD Edit: timestamps, some comments were lost
The sad part is around the 55:00 mark Destiny tries really hard to reach this guy and throw up the flag of peace and continue the discussion, but he just can't seem to understand what's happening. This guy came here to fight with Destiny not debate.
Probably not. Most of these guys like him develop these beliefs as coping mechanisms for their vast insecurities. This comment shows it does work a bit though because this is what he wants you to think about him so you don't actually see what a scared pussy he actually is.
@@link212112 I mean I don't exactly think murderers do it because they're filled with confidence lol. I just mean the dude seems unattached from reality and gives off some major "God told me to do it" energy.
@Glockjaw Honestly, yeah, he did actually do a good job. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that he knows how conversations should occur, and can recognize when things are starting to veer off the rails.
God, even someone who's enough a goober to put fascist in his name 'as a joke' has greater cognitive abilities than this literal hydroplane smooth geometrically perfect sphere brain of man named tristian
Probably one of the craziest debates Destiny has had in recent memory.
Always an amazing job August, hope you are having a good day!
@No One he posted a company email he thought was public but was considered doxing by twitch
when i recognized Tristan i knew it was gonna get hairy but i couldn't have predicted this absolute meme-zone
Only 7 minutes in and Tristan constantly smacking his lips is already driving me insane.
This guy should get nominated in the destiny awards ceremony
"The Great Reset" is this guy's brain every time Destiny asks a question.
I think I need a similar great reset just for sitting through this.
LMAOOOOOOOOO
lmfao good one!
good one
Hah
I can’t believe Tristan read a book for 30 minutes and then refused to answer a question about it for two hours
He didn't even read the book. He did the equivalent of like read the first 5 lines of the Lord of the Rings over and over again and goes "Isn't this one ring kinda sketchy? Man I wish they'd tell us more about this one ring!" is the most aggravating part. He has a 25 minute opening statement and spends it literally just repeating the same 6 buzz words over and over again and grandstanding.
"He wants to redefined our biological identities!" "Cool, what does that mean?" "Well he's kind of vague.... But Prince Harry and other scary people said resetting our economy after a crisis is good!" which is code for "I didn't read past the scary buzzwords."
I imagine if he actually read past the foreword for whatever this Claus guy's beliefs are this debate would've had some merit, instead it was listening to a guy speak for like a fucking hour repeating the same shit surface level buzzword shit, and acting incredulous at being asked questions. Actually reading the book would've given this debate an actual topic lol
Right!!! Did he answer a single question.. he’s a master deflector! Such a clown this Tristan guy. I’ve never heard someone use so many Buzzwords in my life.
D: answer this simple question.
T: debate bro term
Wait, what? You thought Tristan was the one not answering questions?
@@lightbeforethetunnel I mean considering any time Destiny tried to discuss him any further, Tristian refused to continue the conversation because Destiny is an atheist and doesn't believe in objective moral truth. I'd say yeah. This debate ground to an absolute halt any time Destiny tried to ask him what his thoughts on individual aspects of the conversation was, and Tristian always tried to drag it back to meta ethical discussions on pre suppositionalist bullshit.
If his position is that no one can have a position on the great reset, unless they believe in god, then the debate subject should've been "Can you have morals under an athiest world view?" or he could exclusvely debate other religious people. Instead he wasted everyone's time saying nothing with the only person in the room who wasn't sick of him by the end of it was Pedro - who also is a presuppositionalist.
Like damn, even getting the guy to answer the question "Do you think this is bad?" "YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT AND TELL ME WHAT I BELIEVE!" shit. You have to be delusional or lying to think anyone but Tristian was dodging questions.
"This is a man without God, without a soul, in other words, a soulless, godless man" me trying to make my word count on an essay
Tautologies all the way baby
great movie pitch
He's the kind of guy who believes that Nietzsche actually killed the Christian god.
I am trying to reach my word count on my essay, that is to say that what my goal in engaging in the forming of this extended statement is, is to ensure that the requirement being enforced upon me by my educational institution of reaching a certain amount of conglomerates of alphabetical characters having been typed is met or surpassed.
Well God told me that "The Great Reset" was good, so that Jesus can come back and save everyone...
I feel sorry for this guy, I think he is genuinely suffering from psychosis.
What do you mean, bro the industrial revolution of the product of the system is a new man reset is not only under but dehumanizing Brendan Schaub clout Brendan Claus, Schwab, Brennan, Claude, Santa Claus
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. All the jokes and stuff in the comments are funny but this guy definitely has psychosis
F R
I feel sorrier for anyone who interacts with him, because I think he genuinely thinks he’s intelligent
Just watched this for the first time. Something i have experienced with some of the more religious people is their inability to recognize mental issues if they are hyperfocused on religious concepts. This man seems schizophrenic with grandiose looping thoughts that are keyed into words but not attached to actual meaning. Something like this happened with someone i know and any concerns i raised about it were dismissed because i am not a believer in Jesus. If i were, i would understand what receiving messages from God can be like. Anyway, she eventually shaved her head and tried to cross the border on her way to south America to heal their nations and that's when the family decided maybe she needed lithium.
"if this were a formal debate you lost 3 minutes in"
-guy with 25 minute opening statement.
You lost 15 times bro... kill me... in a video game
$500 to anybody who got through more than 10 minutes of that dude’s opening statement
@@bindairdundat5000Saw this comment at 9:45 into his opening statement. I won't lie, I was about to skip forward. 10/10 betting line.
@@weldshop8499 This is my 3rd time watching this debate. Its very calming to listen to while working and knowing it delays into chaos. If played correctly, I should be able to listen the chaos while driving.
coming from someone at 5:30 thank you for saving me 20 minutes of my life
How he managed to say "I'm not even halfway through" without an ounce of humour or irony is incredible.
@@timbelcijan9858 did you know that he got raised by his mom and his dad? that makes him half male half woman
@@TheMrTangamandapio And it clearly paid off. It confused the opponent that the beta male was somehow immune to his alpha energy. The "beta" in Destiny is just a facade for his true form of Sigma male which he uses to counter with simple questions, without any signs of hostility and takes control of the conversation.
when he said that with a straight face i was thinking this man is a psychopath without an ounce of self awareness or awareness of people around him.
At that point I just fast forwarded until he was done. I don't think I missed much.
@@louisadway1856 you didn't
Moderators should be ashamed for letting this guy carry on in the way he did.
They were useless. I hope they didn’t get paid since they didn’t do their job.
Tristan is so bad that I think he was put up to this role
@@roharbaconmoo Lol this guy is clearly not very bright lol you can tell someone told him everything he’s regurgitating like a child lol. He can’t even defend his positions. He’s just not smart lol he’s pretty dull. Completely incapable of independent thinking 😂
This guy was excruciating 😂 he’s the perfect example of “it’s hard to debate an intelligent person but impossible to debate a stupid person.”
@@illkissyourightnow That happens when youre an idiot and get entangled into a conspiracy.. it is really urgend to you, even though you know nothing about it...
My theory is that Andrew was actually smoking a joint in this one.
I’ve listened to Tristan’s opening statement probably 10 times now and still have no idea what his stance is
That is actually impossible, no human can listen to hell incarnated as a 25 min opening of a video 10 time
Nah I salute you I couldn't even listen to the whole thing the one time.
I haven’t heard it 10 times but I also can’t figure out what his stance is especially with what he says later in the debate.
hes saying bad atheist in charge are going to control people through any idea that is a new idea. he just said that over and over using a collection of words.
@@kobax9999 He was human during the first 2 watches. Only god knows what he is now.
Debate was won when Tristan asked "What is the planet?" Destiny simply could not recover from such a great question.
This wouldn’t be such a strange question to pose to a mereological nihilist like Destiny who believes all categories are mere useful fictions, including the categories of male and female.
Destiny "destroyed"!!!
@@LtDeadeye lol who asked
I have to wonder if the question was meant to tease Destiny for having asked moments before for a definition of "stakeholder." While still eyeroll-inducong, it's at least less nutty.
@@LtDeadeye Are you the guy destiny debated?
This is the entertainment you can only get from Destiny. 2.5 hours of absolutely nothing really being said and watching someone act like an irreparable psycho while Destiny sits there looking like he’s unsure if he wants to commit suicide or homicide.
Why not both?
I know, and I love it
That's good content
i love the phrase “irreparable psycho”. spot on.
TBF a murder did occur tonight, so I guess Destiny did decide to commit homicide.
"If this was a formal debate, you lost three minutes into it"
Three minutes into the debate he was still at the introduction to his opening statement.
Exactly
25 min
I was cooking for so long and this dude was still rambling on about these chips 😩
ever heard of a 'figure of speech', he wasnt being literal was he, like when a person says 'the game was over in the first 5 seconds' or whatever.
@@johnwatts8346 do you think he's correct that he beat Destiny in the debate? 🤔 because I just heard him ramble absolute nonsense in circles over and over again, getting pissy when anyone countered anything he said lol
this dude made his PhD in a trailer park university i imagine.
7 times over if I remember!!
>"I'd much prefer timed responses"
>immediately cuts destiny off when he starts his response
😂😂😂
he also complained about strawman's and then strawmans destiny every chance. Complains about ad hominem and does that as well. Presups aren't worth talking to especially if he says things like evolution is a theory
@@martinhectormartinhector7260 it's just really sad that rhetoricstiny was out in full force (until "does God know what it's like to have a dick in the ass?") and the dude was still hyper defensive and upset.
The one good thing about presups is that I think that's what really triggered destiny to start looking into philosophy and being able to engage with these sorts of arguments. Based Darth Dawkins 🙏
I used to have that profile pic
@@mannysikario same
The debate with darth is what got me into Destiny
Tristen: I don’t like “X”
Destiny: What about “X” do you not like.
Tristen: STOP STRAW MANNING!
Destiney: 🤦♂️
It took forever just to even get that far. It took 30 minutes just to get him to answer "Do you think X is bad?"
Amazing that you destiny (woman’s name btw) fans manage to straw man a point about straw manning.
@@rossedwards3623 lol someone butt hurt? You actually think that Tristen chick knew what he was talking about. Keep using words you don’t understand, it’s hilarious. Tristen read a book and gave a report on it without actually understanding what it meant. It’s hilarious to watch. He can’t describe what he doesn’t like about what he says he doesn’t like, because he doesn’t even know what the thing he doesn’t like is. It’s actually amazing to be that dense.
@@rossedwards3623 Destiny is also a video game, and a word in general. He even makes fun of how it’s a girl name, insecure losers who act like middle schoolers I’m sure hold it against him 🤦♂️
@@rossedwards3623 That's amazin'
Destiny: *breathes*
Tristan: You're actually strawmaning the entire right wing
- - - - - - - -
Tristan: ''I won this 3 times over''
5 min later
Tristan: ''I won this 15 times over''
10 min later
Tristan: ''I won this 5 times over''
Damn, Destiny ALMOST making the comeback from a -15 Win/Loss
LMAO those random multi-loss stacks had me thinking about dragonball Z power levels
This should be the top comment. Destiny turned a blow out into a narrow loss. Only a veteran could have kept their composure and battled against those odds.
"I came here to have a discussion AND a debate. You just came here to have a debate..."
Chiming in from 3 years into the future of this debate, still no reset. Can my 2025 homies confirm we're still alive?
10/24 and still here !!
Lmaooooo omg
We ride I’m here reminiscing on the good old days when nutjobs weren’t the mainstream Republican party
Ain't been reset yet
@@jeffc2630Finally 2025, and no reset yet
Destiny: "Do you like cheese?"
Tristan: "How dare you strawman me".
Oh no! When did x too the z x-zibit stop pimping my rides and yo dawg memes end? Or are they still going. Im just complimenting ur pfp.
@@canyonshep , he stopped pimping rides when cars gained the rights to autonomy on how they can be bought and sold; no need for pimps.
Also, the memes never died. Xzibit lives within us... always, and forever.
How can we talk about whether cheese is good or bad without first talking about metaethics?
@@DemothHymside Xzibit heard we liked Xzibit… so he put an Xzibit in our hearts so we can Xzibit while we meme
Tristan: "Do you like cheese?"
Destiny: "Generally speaking, cheese is..."
Tristan: "Because you say you like cheese and cheese doesn't believe in god and futhermore..."
If Tristan was asking the question xD
Tristan: "The Great Reset is inherently bad"
Destiny: "Why do you think it's bad?"
Tristan: "That's a false-equivalency strawman ad-hominem. You're debating in bad faith and lost the debate 15 times."
Sorry bro If you want the answer to that question you're going to have to listen to a 20 minute segment from klaus schwab.
@@ronaldmexico1297 *25 minutes
He’s doing that because that’s how he thinks destiny wins debates, “the virgin logically sound argument” VS “the CHAD incoherent schizoid ramblings and misuse of philosophical terminology”
@@ronaldmexico1297 But i don't actually agree with Klaus Schwab i just made you listen to it because ?????
@UChOdLeuYDWG8ZECUGsX_O0g no he just said its bad without giving a reason, which is the same thing.
but maybe you cant comprehend that ;)
This man is the definition of "your essay must be X amount of words to pass"
😂😂😂
Well yeah 😂 he admitted it in the first 5 minutes that he was getting paid by the hour! Of course he’s gonna ramble, deflect and write an essay.
Hence the PHDs xD
That guy is painfully stupid...my goodness
And the perfect example of “it’s hard to debate an intelligent person but impossible to debate a stupid person” 😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
He’s excruciating. He’s definitely been told exactly what to say and think. He’s incapable of thinking for himself.
Destiny the moment you started to play music in order to try and help the situation, you won my heart. ❤️. Pro job Destiny.
I'm pretty sure I won this debate 20 times over without even being in it.
“The only way to win the game, is not to play” - War Games
I'm not sure anyone won, we're all losers for listening through this whole thing lol
What genuinely makes me agree with Destiny that the guy is unhinged is that he jumped from "you've lost 4 times" to "15 times" after 2 back and forths.
Destiny is a stupid f____t. Destiny ended the debate. Destiny is a disgrace beyond words.
@RancorousSea😂😂
i love hearing evangelion lore as a real theory
Dont spoil eva for me Im still on ep 9
It´s all fun and games until Alex Jones shows up in Unit 01.
I literally laughed out loud… Thank you
I've played enough Wh40k to know where the world this guy wants ends up. It's not pretty.
@@Deadpool-su2po dance like you want to win!!!!
The fact that the moderator was more capable of arguing Tristan's points is hilarious
If Tristan wasn't there maybe destiny woulda been converted 😂
The word of God is all about the scriptures, man. Trouble is, they were written by humans. I find it fascinating that people still believe in God in 2023. We are so much more easier to brainwash than we realize. Well, the ones who own the media companies certainly realize it. Otherwise they wouldn't have invested in that business.
@@Sandlund93 Exactly... I honestly think the whole bible is a bunch of BS because in today's day and age if you got pregnant without having sex with your husband, would people call it a gift from god or would people just say that the wife is lying about cheating? I think mary is not so virgin mary.
Kinda sad Pedro didn't keep going, that sounded like it was about to be a really good back and forth and Tristan came back in and ruined it
@@Sandlund93 media corporations or churches...
i come back to this every so often to check my mental health, if tristian is making sense at any point i call my doctor
This is actually a perfect litmus test😂
im black out drunk and im concerned this man has harmed someone in real life
This is the funniest comment in here
So far does he make sense anywhere?😅😅
LOL holy shlt that was funny.
“God was not a homosexual. He was not a coomer” is my favorite quote.
"was", because god is those things now, or because god is dead. Either works with me tbh
Imagine thinking God isn't a coomer
Literally made two puppets to make them kiss.
I'd like to a detailed argument with facts and evidence to back this claim up 😁
The real question is, does God own a doghouse?
"is this a kojima cutscene" some legend in the chat.
Lmao
thanks for pointing this one out, made my day
Sir your win is in the mail.
I like the one, “hey destiny ask him if he’s speaking”
even kojima has better and less confused and pointless writing than this guys ramblings
Tristan has probably watched this at least 5 times by now, and each time he somehow keeps getting more and more proud of himself.
Best comment
He only watches the first 15 minutes.
@@magicmerls291 25*
He even loves the way he drinks his little Jesus cup... That guy is so full of himself, it's unbearable.
Great comment
1:21:00 After 20 minutes of trying to avoid it, Destiny caves and explains why meta-ethics is a massive time waste in under 30 seconds. He really tried to pull his punches on this guy and have a real discussion. Legend.
Tristan : “All Destiny cares about is winning the debate!”
Also Tristan: “I totally won this debate like 15 times over , nothing I said was even wrong”
Lots of things that he said was wrong but yeah he won the debate
@@rexyz5875 . Who?
@@Lusciousrock99 tristan
@@rexyz5875 . Sure jan
@@rexyz5875 How?
I love how everyone has to treat Tristan like a baby, lowering their voices and speaking very slowly, just so he can understand what they're asking and so that he doesn't start having another tantrum.
Strange because I seen them treating Destiny and his childishness in that manner......
@@Carolinagrace777 cope
@@Carolinagrace777
🤭🥴 go get your head examined… you must’ve gotten a TBI if you believe that.
Even holding their hands up when they're trying to calm him down while asking a question and bringing order into the debate
Looks like they're being held at gun point, that's how delusional this Tristan guy is
@@Carolinagrace777 same, ol meth mouth is defs trippin on something
“This is a man with no god and no soul. In other words, he’s a godless, soulless man.” They’re really giving out these PHDs like candy
This man doesn’t have a phd. There is no way he would even be able to defend his dissertation behaving this way.
😂🤣😂
😂😂
wanted to comment this exact thing lol
i mean he's not wrong
This is the funniest debate I’ve ever watched. It was two hours of Tristian dodging question, because he had no clue what he was talking about
You think that’s funny, watch Andrew debate Skylar Fiction on MDD 😂😂
I listened to that entire 25 minute opening statement and I don't even know what the fuck he's on about.
This guy gave a schizophrenic ramble for 25 minutes, asked for timed responses because he couldn't handle a conversation and then couldn't stop himself interrupting Destiny's timed response for literally 10 seconds... has he talked to people before?
he has talked TO people, but i dont think he has ever let them talk to him XD
He's somehow even worse at talking to people than Jackson Hinkle.
Bro, he's gotten SEVEN PHDs before
He probably talks to some strangers in subways when they are just trying to commute to work and got stuck in a crowded cart with him and him rambling the 25 schizophrenia speech to them
He’s the poster child of gishgalloping.
Its insane that a dude can quote an entire book without knowing what he even means
Christians
To be fair, he was barely reading it😶
What's really pathetic is that the moderator articulated his position more coherently and argued it much better in about 5 mins.
Apes don’t read Plato. Yes they do Otto, they just don’t understand it!
The part where he goes “I’m only half way through my opening statement” then watching the moderators try to keep it together while chat goes bonkers was hilarious and pretty much foreshadowed how the rest of this debate was going to go down.😂
@@darkleon100 His biggest issue there is he just repeated the same thing over and over again. Claus Schwab said...... He said this in his book called Covid-19, where he said... Just list all the places where he said these things.
@@darkleon100 That's his problem. He doesn't have a single PhD. He's a liar.
That word salad was supposed to be an opening statement?
What is Tristan's full name? If he holds a single, legit PhD from an accredited university, his stuff might be online.
I'm only 10 minutes in and I'm already tearing my hair out over how he keeps equivocating between the fourth industrial revolution (the increasing digitization and automation of society and how it changes people's lives) and the great reset (an economic plan for managing the post-covid recovery).
He's literally taking descriptions of how humans have been adapting to technological progress and trying to twist them into sounding like some top down government/industry agenda.
I can already tell that this is going to be painful to listen to...
2:08:10 "Did we live at the same time as humans - Dinosaurs" ACTUAL GOLD
27:36
Destiny - "What is an example of a policy you think is a bad idea"
Tristan - "was that supposed to be a question"
Destiny - "I can write it down with a question mark if you want"
Hahaha
He lost with that response right there .
The bald guy is literally the meme of the guy who's celebrating a victory, throwing his hands up in the air, showering himself in Champaign, all while being in third place.
He finished third in a two-man race
Just started the video and reading your comment made me turn up the volume. 📢
we all know he won the race 15 times over in the first 10 minutes, okay?
@@arsenal4444 and those first 10 Min of him winning 15 times were all inside his opening! How amazing was that? A true master!
Tristan: "To destiny this is about winning a debate"
Also Tristan: "I"m here to make my opponent concede defeat on the debate topic"
I'm starting to think he might be a little dishonest
Lmaoo
That was the funniest part to me. Saying that shit when he's throwing multiple fits about how hard, fast, and many times you won the debate.
Yeah I sensed he was projecting
Destiny always wins
Tristan NEVA EVA LOSE
The last 15 minutes of this debate were the best moments to ever happen in the history of the internet
"Okay we have a great show planned today, should be some heated back and forth..."
"Yo, mind if I water board your audience with 20 minutes of bullshit before we begin?"
"Well I rather you didn't, I mean we..."
"In 1792 noted bogapediatitian and tigglesnatcher Hershal C Muhcocksalongdong laid out his 47 principles as to why mixing eggs and rye bread will bring about the apocalypse..."
"You're not going to list all 47 are..."
"Principle number one! Rye bread is for bitches!"
Best comment.
I think Hershal C was quoting Mike Hawksmassif in this particular instance. Stop strawmanning bro.
Lol
Tristan: asks complete question, and then stops talking.
Destiny: "well-"
Tristan: "I wasn't done!"
I have never wanted to pull my own hair out before but jesus christ
Here's how Tristan texts his girlfiend
Tristan: "U up?"
GF: "yeah wbu?"
Tristan: "STOP INTERRUPTING AND LET ME FINISH MY QUESTION!!!"
@democratslie8113 yeah because Tristan is insane dude
@democratslie8113 also, that's literally word for word what happened in the debate, are you going to deny reality too?
@democratslie8113
"Wrong"
- Donald Trump, 2016
Taking the name of the man who died for your salvation in anger doesnt seem wise to me
It's honestly so scary, yet so hilarious people like Tristan exist.
It also perfectly explains why so many conspiracy theories exist out there.
They have voting rights too... We need IQ minimum requirements for voting ASAP.
That was my takeaway as well. This guy had the requisite privilege (white, educated) to easily expand his worldview beyond the dumpster, and decided to make his home there instead.
@@Opi0id-z He has a PHD. His problem isn't IQ
@@azathoth4237 Lmao what
"have you ever seen Jurassic Park? Those guys." I swear I bust a blood vessel laughing so hard. I almost passed out.
I think Tristan is legitimately unhinged, and will likely go undiagnosed for his entire life. But those piano bits and questions about God’s ‘omniscience’ were some of destiny’s best debate moments. Cracking up over here
I just keep asking crucible if God is omniscient on Twitter 😂😂😂
@@mikecast20 😂😂
Keep projecting and swallowing your antidepressants
@@harl4227 >reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee listen to my unmedicated schizophrenic monologues
Sorry bro but the songs you're listening to aren't directly addressing you
@@harl4227 hahaha that's what I was going to say. Beat me to the punchline.
We all know guys like Tristian. The dude who reads one thing and doesn’t think beyond it so when challenged totally freaks out because it never occurred to him that he may be wrong or limited. Yes we all know guys like Tristian and they always come up to you at a bar they’re in by themselves to “debate” strangers in order to prove themselves.
Indeed....we know them all too well. That's how far the termites have spread. And how long and how well they have dined
This goes way beyond a debate bro with an ego. This guy is unhinged and has absolutely no grounds in reality.
@@lunavyz901 it’s like a cautionary tale of where debate bro can go
Man, I used to be like him... glad that phase ended before my teenage years were over 😂
Hmm... not my take exactly. I think this is more like... an economist (destiny) debates a phillosopher (tristan) and there is a vacuum of common ground.
The thing is there is a whole cannon kind of related to these ideas. I haven't read it too wel, but there is like Weber and Marx and Heidegger. Who are all interested in like... how social structures and general phillosophical trends influence thought.
It's weird, difficult to falsify, heady stuff. But it's not exactly crazy.
On one hand: He's either a troll or unhinged. And its amazing content.
On the other hand: I hope I don't hear about this guy in the news or ever again.
You might bve hearing about him years from now raping in a church or some cult.
Aono really? i didn't know the church typically hosted hiphop concerts
@@HAHAHHAHAHA-o9m Keep talking.
Gumshon *starts raping really fast*
@@HAHAHHAHAHA-o9m you arent funny
"Actually, Im just gonna talk over you" 🤣😭
The moment big papa fascist said “Tristian, you have about 1 min left” after he spoke for over 10 min and Tristian proceeded and said “No, im only half way done and im going to finish” I got literal shivers as I knew I would be in for a treat…
This shyt was a bring blastingly dumb. My brain was in a leg lock listening to this Evangelion fan scream about logical fallacies.
That was the moment i realised how valuable time stamps are...
@@gigi3029 was about to post this exact same thing
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And what a treat this so called debate it was
Legends say to this day Tristan still thinks he won this debate by a landslide
He did win by a landslide, but the voting machines were hacked by the Jewish Space Laser.
He doesn't even know how to think. He just read a book... Nothing of substance came out of his mouth
Well, we know he believes in stupid shit ;)
Legends say he is still reading his plagiarized opening statement.
@@sleether4049 I promise that he never even read the book.
“Stop calling me a debate bro”
“I’ve won this debate almost five times”
This man clearly never been in an official debate. If he had, he would know debates are typically won by general perspective of the audience. Who did the audience mostly agree with. I'm an hour and a half into this debate and I still don't know what this man believes in. Although I should message him and thank him for the great book recommendation. I just can't wait for the great reset now!
This is... The actual most frustrating conversation I've ever had the horror of listening too.... But I can't stop watching
I laughed out loud. Exactly what it is
This was the comment I was looking for - I wanted to stop so many times but I couldn’t hahahahha
yes , there is alot of crazy spitiual sht going on . even one attracting us to continue watching the chaos. its all most unfortunate. honestly neither side was working in good faith. 50 years from now we'll all be like fk! we should of discussed this more. lol
This.
@noblenessdee6151 what're you yappin about?
How the hell did destiny explain the guys side better than him
Red pill brain rot
One of them understands it better than the other😂
Perfect observation. This was fascinating to watch.
Just like a train wreck.@@johndwyer9576
destiny is better at steel manning his interlocutors positions then they are
“I don’t care about winning a debate….” While simultaneously bringing up that Destiny lost the debate 40 times, 100 times… Sure bro, sure…
The projection is blinding
Also anyone that has to repeat that they've won every 30 seconds chances are they didn't lol
@@viziontrex also, anyone falling back on some sort of "principle" (in Tristan's case his morality or how he perceives truth) is already at a loss in terms of a debate or discussion. In my experience, anyone that's done that cannot win a given argument, or even a given point in an argument.
"My argument is what a bunch of other people say without being able to create my own opinion in my own words" - Tristan
having a conversation with this Tristan guy seems like literal torture
getting his thoughts on anything must be like pulling teeth from a lion.
I have relative like this, I avoid them like the plague
Fking dying over here fr Tristan is the most insidious debate bro ever
His fragile masculinity is showing
@@jennahunter2968 Fragile is an understatement.
Destiny - "Can I answer this without him interrupting?"
"yes"
Destiny - "Okay, so-"
Tristian - "ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW-"
1:48:34 for timestamp
@@sb_dunk I should've put that in from the beginning, I would've never remembered where this was so thanks lmao
@@fitzchivalry728 you’re a bot so it’s fine
Always does this
Lmao this man is insane
lmao at the moderators trying to gently teach Tristan how to have a conversation. The guy just isn't gifted at communication.
Which is why nothing he says is inherently valuable. What use are your ideas if you can't communicate them well?
@@_xTASY Most people who have (I think he said 7, PHds) communicate poorly because they have no working knowledge of, nor conviction in, the stance they have cornered themselves into - See MAGA Hogs.
This guy (Tristan) shouldn't be doing debates, it's like debating a flat earther, constantly screaming fallacies and avoiding having a debate.
Exactly, using the same bad faith debate tactics flat earthers do.
Tristan is one manifesto away from appearing in National news.
So right sadly, he's a walking danger, either to himself or others. He's not safe
Dude probably has a rough draft
For real!
@@puffdaddy69😂😂😂
No joke!
Him misunderstanding what "stakeholder" means AGAIN in the final 20 minutes was the perfect comedic callback
As someone who just finished studying commerce, listening to him misinterpret a concept I am confident my 9 year old cousin would understand is so frustrating.
Lmfaooo this is something we learn in like grade 7🤣
Destiny: "Is 2+2 = 4?"
Tristan: "Do you even think 2 objectively exists?"
“Clearly 2 exists as revealed by scripture but it also doesn’t exist because science and ad hom strawman false equivalency that didn’t answer my question which you lost 15 times in the first 20 seconds… What? I’m answering your question, here’s a Schwabb video”.
Tristan: "Well Klaus Schwab in his book COVID-19: The Great Reset, which I have here in my hand, he referred to the concept of math and numbers such as 2 multiple times, yet he only uses them in vague terms, never outlining clearly what he means by it. So my question for you is if you're okay with understanding the world through methods which have been decided for you by a collection of mathematicians such as Pythagoras, Archimedes, Brahmagupta, al-Khwarizmi, Turing, etc.? You're really okay with having the world's existence dictated to you by anyone except God?"
"I don't know, do *YOU* think 2 + 2 = 4?"
”did i say 2+2 = 4?”
@@LoudWaffle Best summary of this entire debate 😂
Are dinosaurs real?
Tristan: DO YOU BELIEVE SCIENCE IS IN THE ROOM WITH YOU RIGHT NOW?!
If I was Destiny I would have held up any object and dropped it. Gravity/Science is in the room right now.
three destiny's on screen was just not enough, we need more
Just cause they're all white doesn't make them a Destiny m'dude
@@Roftastic I don’t think that’s what they meant…lol
AUGUST GET ON THIS SHIT NOW, WE NEED INFINITE DESTINYS
Roftastic There are literally 3 overlays of Destiny on the screen
@@Dexrazor Racist smh my head
During Tristan's opening statement, Andrew's facial expressions are hilarious. He realizes what a mess he invited.
What the hell, this is an online debate, not a trial. We don't need a 15-30 min opening statement.
Edit: Finished both opening statements, Destiny asks "what is a stakeholder", and Tristan goes on another pseudo-tirade. This is gonna be a juicy one.
Edit 2: Tristan, at least let your opponent answer your question in a debate without you barging in every 30 seconds. If your opponent can be quiet while you go on your 20 min monologue, give them the same respect when they try respond for 1 damn minute. You look like an idiot.
Edit 3: Tristan... if you use a quote, you should willing to explain what the quote means in your own words. How do you have a PhD, but lack basic communicative skills? Come on Tristan, this isn't a good look for you.
Edit 4: Tristan, why the hell is it so hard to just explain what position you hold, without going on a tirade or need quotes or a video? My guy... what is actually wrong with you?
Edit 5: I'm truly fascinated if Tristan behaves with other people like this. He actually sounds unstable.
Tristan provided what destiny has glossed over many of times
Andrew's reaction really made my sides hurt
Anyone who does their PhD becomes a bit crazy if they weren't already, so much fucking stress brov 😛
Shockingly I've run into quite a few people with PHD's that are garbage at communication. As long as they can write well you can probably get through.
This Tristan guy has a scary vibe to him. Yikes.
Destiny is an adrenaline junkie, but instead of jumping off cliffs he tries to argue with psychos online
And I love it 😂😂😂
The moderator's answer to the dispute between 2 conflicting revelations demonstrates the problem with revelations. The moderator said in that instance, he would look to external evidence and logical arguments (even if they're unsound).
That shows that revelation cannot be the foundation, because the ultimate appeal cannot be to revelation.
"I WOULD RATHER WE HAVE TIMED RESPONSES" after a 25 minute opening statement
"You lost 3 minutes in" - a guy who read a book for half an hour as an opening statement and interrupted every response.
I wonder what knd of kangaroo university gave this idiot a PHD, because a cockroach in my basement could use a doctorate.
he was here to give a speech ,not a conversation
Its an unwell person who wanted a captive audience for his ramblings. He never cared about a debate.
@@ataridc And he managed to convince me of two things:
1. There is no god. If god existed, he'd lightning blast that motherfucker into oblivion.
2. You can be either religious or moral. Can't be both.
And then gets pissed when he gets held to the timed answer 😂
After watching this a couple times I think I understand Tristan's position, it's that a great reset is happening. That's it, absolutely nothing else.
Don't make his argument for him! That's not what he said! Lol
@@MeSpawn297 Strawman! Adhom! Bad faith! Logical fallacy! Checkmate atheist.
@@soberslav8435 did you just assume my theistic position!?!? Lmao
Not even that it's happening. That it's being proposed by people who are godless, therefore evil, so the proposal must also be evil. The debate bro in me wants to scream "ad hominem!" from the rooftops.
But don't ask me anything about it, because you aren't argueing with me, you are arguing with this youtube clip im going to find real quick. (Tristen pov)
"Can I have a burger please?"
"Sure. Do you want fries with that?"
"Cmon, don't strawman me. Did I say I wanted fries?"
This debate in a nutshell lmao
This is the third time I’ve watched this debate since I watched it live and each time I watch it only gets better, funnier and cringier. I don’t know if that Tristan guy was hoping to use this debate to launch his career as a stakeholder in the marketplace of ideas but we haven’t seen him since. This is just top Destiny debating. Chefs kiss 💋
I think its hilarious that a rightwinger talks about objective truth.
calling this a debate is like saying an nba player vs. an amputee is a competition lmaoooo
This entire thing was so fun to watch. Dude is legit crazy and has a hard time functioning outside of the script he's got memorized
True, any deviation from his envisioned script made him collapse and it revealed how utterly clueless he is. All he had were buzzwords and article titles. The whole stupid meta-ethics debate only happened because it was a deflection when he wasn't able take a position on whether an aspect of the alleged great reset was a good or bad thing and why he thinks that is the case.
How can anyone have any meaningful conversation with that dude?
I can’t believe you let him read a book as part of a debate. I wanted to die……
The 3rd circle of hell is just Tristan reading that guy’s book for 25 minutes, lecturing you about God and then starting his intro over.
Tristan logic is from Mars
Tristan put on your antennas and tin foil hat
Symbolism Myth Religion are all old ways of describing the world. Now we have Science. How did we get from the great reset to god.
Two years later, and this debate still hasn't started
Genuinely true lol
"Did we live at the same time as humans?" -Dinosaurs
One of the funniest moments ever.
This guy is like a poorly programmed debate ai. Every response is just spitting out random debate terms like "straw man" or "ad hom" and arguing against every single sentence destiny says even if it contradicts his own argument.
Everything he said about destiny's intentions and arguments were valid
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 are we watching the same video roarbert
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 You missed the point. He doesn’t even understand the questions he’s being asked. Even when asked yes or no questions, he falls apart and resorts to reading from that guys book. His lack of understanding in anything is quite remarkable.
@@VA-gu1jq Destiny was not reading from a book, I doubt he owns one
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 I have a book therefore I won the debate
“Dinosaurs? What are those?”
“You ever see Jurassic Park? Those guys.”
Fucking killed me.
If I have to hear the name "Klaus Schwab" one more time, I'm gonna go to a cliff and test gravity
Serious contender for one of the best videos on TH-cam. Could listen to these guys debate each other for hours.
This dude really showed up with a 4th grade presentation and committed to NEVER go from his pre written words so in his mind he could never lose…instead of just talking like a human to another human.
What? This is just blatantly untrue. You're saying Tristan "never went from his pre written words" ... it's absurd.
It's just variation of the ever present atheist "I don't understand therefore it's word salad or a script" Ad hominem you guys always deflect with.
Do you guys really think we haven't picked up on these tactics and we don't know what you're doing?
@@lightbeforethetunnel ah, you're subbed to him. This guy is a literal basket case and you watch him. crazy.
@@paleskin5087 Yawn... another ad hominem fallacy.
@@paleskin5087 Generally, the biggest issue holding atheists back is their inability to engage COHERENTLY with people who don't have the same beliefs/worldview they do.
You guys would gain a lot from learning about logical fallacies so you could begin debating COHERENTLY with people you disagree with.
Step 1, for the vast majority of Atheists, would be to simply learn about logical fallacies, at least until you're educated enough about them where you can dispute posts you don't agree with in a way that isn't invalid.
That's what logical fallacies are: Invalid arguments / responses. Logical fallacies are inadmissible on their face in intellectual forum.
@@lightbeforethetunnel HAHAHAHAHAHA THIS IS TRISTAN TRYING TO DEFEND HIMSELF FOR BEING A NUT CASE
This was one of the most frustrating things I've ever watched. Destiny, you're a saint for battling through this
Destiny is doing important work. She is a strong, bold, intelligent and patient woman.
@@Darth_Bateman she?
@@theconner1118 community inside joke. Because: "destiny is a girls name."
if destiny hadnt played the piano when he did, I dont think I couldve finished this video
@danpitman5555 this one used to be the most annoying and un-listenable debate, but his most recent debate on the Whatever Podcast easily beats this one. yeouch. sheeeehhh
Anyone who has to keep proclaiming throughout a debate that they've won the debate has already lost
The delusion is REAL
are you trying to tell me that Tristan lost the debate 27 times over
@@Greyz174 I'd say that Tristan not only lost the debate but he sounded pathetic as well
@@Slitherssss the amount of times he lost the debate is very important and i don't understand why you're not stressing that
@@Greyz174 LMAO
The underlying piano music at the end highlights the pablum Tristan rants about. A joke! Wonderful. Lol.
This was a great debate between destiny and Pedro. Its just a shame that Tristan PhD moderator got too involved in the debate.
Exactly can’t win the debate 15 times if you’re a moderator
@@TrentonF505 🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣
My favourite part of the debate was when Destiny got to debate his moderator.
What a twist.
It couldn't be any debate with Tristan because he couldn't handle his own point of view. I find him a bit scary because of his mental health/condition, he's really out there, delusional at best
😂
Great twist. Great twist.
The only coherent debate in the whole thing
Destiny's brain has already been reset into stupid f____t mode. That is why Destiny was not able to debate properly and had to end the debate.
ayo i need a doctor STAT to sew back up my gut after busting watching destiny play the piano during the rambles 😂😂😂😂
Reminds me of the jack "big mad" debate in 2020. (The one where he asks about his kid being 11 and levies every classic destiny attack)
frfr :that's_amore_emoji: no cap straight bussin
1:23:28 it was so perfect with this man preaching.
Song of storms? Something from ocarina of time made it. 😆
I'm busting as well.
there is no way tristan doesn't have actual schizophrenia
Its why he can repeat the questions destiny ask. He is trapped in his own mind.
It's interesting that this multiple PHD holder doesn't have a single reference to it on his website where he sells $250 1 hour coaching sessions on how eating an all meat diet is good.
yea I was hunting for ANY info on it. Despite his twitter including "PhD" 7 times in the title, and labeled in his name on this debate panel, there is zero information on the content of these anywhere on his site bio's. If these labels are so important to someone's persona you would think information on his accreditations would be moderately easy to locate. I mean dang I have my college listed on most of my social pages and my degree doesn't mean dick.
Given even an "accelerated" PhD takes 4 years to complete (many are 8 years), and a nutrition PhD (the most likely one he might have if I'm being charitable) takes 4-6, I' think its safe to assume outside perhaps nutrition, all of these "PhD's" are BS.
@@Keithslawinski he was asked about which phds he had after destiny left and he said something like "phd in bullshit" or something iirc, so who knows
whats his website?
He probably has some kind of prion disease from eating elk brains in some weird emulation of a skaldic poem or somethin
@@grymjaw lmao u did some research huh god bless ur soul
Question, how did the PHD manage third place in a two person debate, coming in behind the moderators?
That has to be some kind of record.
Bro. There were two moderators... he got fourth place in a two person debate..
@@falseprophet1024 rofl whoops. You are correct.
Why are the moderators feeling the need to step in on his behalf though? So weird
@@tramarthomas6105 I think they did a great job, it's a guest in your home turf which almost always leads to accusations of favouritism. Besides, letting him talk a lot gave him plenty of rope. I actually agree with a bunch of this guys concerns and spent half the time yelling "NO DESTINY ISN'T SAYING THAT, GOD I HATE THIS GUY" at my phone like a moron. Maybe not productive but sure was entertaining.
*PhD's are often tards. Sometimes they re-peat*
Dr Tom B Goldberg PhD
The look in this guy's eyes, his tone of voice, and his body language are all the embodiment of what I don't want to be having a conversation with. I would be worried about a guy like this stabbing me outside a bar if I got into an argument with him. Something is wrong with him, and I don't know what it is.
Some girl once told Tristan he was a good debater and this is where that leads. Stop flattering pretty ignorants.
Having been raised deeply a religious Southern Baptist, it is a sort of psychosis and stern rejection of reality. Trust that instinct because this is a dangerous person. He would absolutely put atheists into camps if it was within his power.
It's what religious fundamentalism looks like. People like that did stone and burn others at the stake not long ago in human history. It was not simpletons who created the reasoning behind it, no, those were the educated ones, like the "PhD" in this video, while simpletons followed them.
It's not him, you're just a an afraid soy leftie.
@@disciplewill7696 No, it's him. He looks like an axe murdererr.
"Shows Claus Schwabs ideas for 25mins"
Destiny - "Whats your stance on the ideas you presented".
Tristan - "Stop straw maning".
I keep returning to this debate amazed by the amount of blatant schizophrenia, it's almost beautiful how textbook it is.
Calling his logical arguments "blatant schizophrenia" is a bad faith omega class strawman and ad hom
It isn't schizophrenia, Trist is just an idiot who thinks he had degrees he doesn't actually have, thus a pseudo-intellectual.
What part of the debate is blatant schizophrenia? I have listened completely yet can you give an example?
@@tristanphillips7275It's been 6 months my guy, let it go.
@@tristanphillips7275did you even watch the debate?
1:26 starts off insultimg trans comm.
2:00 foreshadowing
13:33 so far I can tell Tristian doesn't want machine or nature exalted above god
26:54 Tristian laughs (but yells at Destiny later for same thing 1:47:45)
25:06 opening statement ends BUT HE NEVER STATES HIS POSITION ON ANYTHING
27:27 this question will never be answered
27:38 "Is that supposed to be a question?" (28:32 Tristian reciprocally mad)
29:05 Tristian presupposes Destiny's position
29:12 Tristin presupposes and interrupts ("LET ME SPEAK")
29:33 Tristian presupposes and repeats his question
29:54 More presupposition, the definition dodging begins.
30:22 Tristian's definition (30:24 "shutup and let me finish")
30:49 "What is the planet?" gatcha! (30:34 Tristian just used this in his definition)
31:30 Tristian's questions are hyperbolic
31:51 Tristian laugh pt. 2
33:44 You think you're gonna have a say in your answer
36:35 Request for timed responses... from the interrupter.
38:01 look at Destiny's face xD Mod lights up bcuz he know its gonna be a long one
40:00 - I'm going to presuppose that "you believe..." (56:33 gaslighting)
40:10 No, a debate is meant to change the listeners minds not those of the debaters.
41:08 from "excuse me" to 44:47 "if you're here to debate" wowie
45:13 Destiny question followed by Tristian sarcastically repeating the question
46:10 the most smug delivery of the word transhumanism ever
46:13 military ect wants implanted devices 46:29 opening statement guy want devices
46:34 Destiny: "Do these exist?"
46:37 Tristian: "Yeah." Destiny: Are people forced into these?
46:55 Tristian: "Do these need to be forced?" fearmongering-1.png
46:58 the beginning of the end. Moderator smoking.
47:22 Destiny: "Question" Tristian: "Strawman"
48:00 T: "...use logical fallacies in a debate?" D: "No...." T: REEE
48:22 the middle of the end
49:24 none of us know his position on anything
50:14 This is the debate in a nutshell (50:21 3 min in we still had 20 min to go of Tristian's opening statement holy smokes gaslighting and self-awareness are off the charts)
50:33 the end of the end. From now till 56 min is absolutely insanity in debate terms
52:22 "I'm sure you're gonna be a stakeholder" but earlier he couldn't name anything that wasn't voluntary!
53:30 no stance is his argument, just like the 20 min opening statement, no substance
52:48 the moment both moderators came to Destiny's aid. Even the religious one that ends up arguing against him.
53:50 Tristian ALMOST commits to a viewpoint (54:02, 54:11 "Do I think this is a good or bad thing?...")
- - - - - ANSWER = morality is objective, contraception is wrong. (Nothing to do with the question btw)
1:01:04 Moment this becomes a meta-ethics religious 'debate'
1:01:49 Tristian has no idea what moral anti-realist means...
1:02:01 Tristian DOES NOT EVEN LISTEN (I'm tired of presuppositionists)
1:11:11 Tristian with the GASLIGHTING! (after taking a drink and not even looking) (meth accusation)
1:22:11 Tristian actually says "methy mouth." Next level insanity drug abuse gaslighting.
1:40:11 Tristian has literally taken no position on anything despite both moderators pressuring him.
1:47:10 leads him to say 1:48:00 " ok just just die"
1:47:26 more of Tristian's presupposing question followed by soliloquy nonsense
1:48:33 is this parody?!
1:54:45 is Tristian even listening to his own definition? pt. 2
My summary/takeaway: Gaslighting masterclass. Tristian got mad because he expected everyone to know his position. He expects everyone to have his own preconceived religious viewpoints. He redefined what it is to be a debate partner. Avoid this man if all aspects of your life. What is his position? What is he debating? WTF does he believe on anything? Don't ask him though, he may rephrase your question for one of his own. Then interrupt your answer.
To critique Destiny: he got sarcastic/derogatory after too few responses... but that was nearly 30 min into the conversation. On his second response... xD
Edit: timestamps, some comments were lost
k, im done
I rate this comment 10/10 for the amount of effort you put in.
@@crossmine2063 God's work, I'd say.
Can I get a time stamp for that delicious piano solo
15 minutes into Tristians “short opening statement” from hell but I’m gonna stick through it because of how entertaining you made it seem.
The sad part is around the 55:00 mark Destiny tries really hard to reach this guy and throw up the flag of peace and continue the discussion, but he just can't seem to understand what's happening. This guy came here to fight with Destiny not debate.
This guy just has very very bad social skills, possibly on the spectrum?
@@Name-cz5jj but that's what he is, he didn't even know what he is attacking, he uses vague terms and rambles a lot.
@@SHITSWEEEK the extremist spectrum I see
This is a biannual rewatch for me. 10/10 content
This dude is absolutely going to be the subject of a Netflix True Crime docuseries one day.
Probably not. Most of these guys like him develop these beliefs as coping mechanisms for their vast insecurities. This comment shows it does work a bit though because this is what he wants you to think about him so you don't actually see what a scared pussy he actually is.
@@link212112 I mean I don't exactly think murderers do it because they're filled with confidence lol. I just mean the dude seems unattached from reality and gives off some major "God told me to do it" energy.
@@RiddlyTK yyyuuupp all those school shootings aren’t exactly committed by gigachads
This dude sounds like tonka trucks at times.
@@FearandLoathinginLandonND what happened to that dude
This guy is actually unwell. This was absolutely insane
I pray this dude isn't married.
@@jaybayer3670 if he is, he 100% beats his wife.
@@jaybayer3670 oh dude 100% he has some trad con wife who is scared of him
@@jaybayer3670 Now i would blame the sorry lady for that but the kids… those are the ones i really pity 😭
When bpf looks like a voice of reason compared to you, the audience is in for a treat
Facts
@Glockjaw Honestly, yeah, he did actually do a good job. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that he knows how conversations should occur, and can recognize when things are starting to veer off the rails.
God, even someone who's enough a goober to put fascist in his name 'as a joke' has greater cognitive abilities than this literal hydroplane smooth geometrically perfect sphere brain of man named tristian
That was literally the same exact thought that inhabited me lmfao.