Dont you put in statistic the fact that the bow has a pasive that gives you more crit damage further are you from target ? So the difference in damage is not so great...
@@sanjibuu2892 personally I think karnix are better, so many gap closing mechanics hence the difference gap are diminished.. But again, it is preference... I like spamming skills with evasion build, rather than dealing damage I prefer to annoy people with cc and kite so toublex is the way to go for me, for those who seek glory and kill count Karnix is indeed better crit.chance + strength stats gonna melt squishy
Video couldn’t have come at a better time. Literally need 2 days of dungeons then I can get the tokens to craft one of these bows. Ty very much for the great information and your opinion!
Just like to mention that chain hook has a range of ~15m therefore a slight distance increase may not seem like much but it can mean the difference b/t winning/losing a fight with a SnS / X player
Actually i prefer toublek for pvp yeah karnix have more damage input but i want range and i play with a mate in arena with karnix i outrange every staff bow user by using toublek bow + karnix mate buff , by the time they are in range if they dont dash i own them already. So i prefer range dex cdr and execute proc than a little bit more damage strengh and crit ( i'm a bow staff)
This is what we needed, that you so much. :) I was already convinced of Karnix based on my own theorizing, but I had not expected the damage difference to be so immense because of some 45 base damage.
raw numbers arent a good indicator. By the time u fire 4 zephirs with karnix, ull fire 5 with toublek. The difference in dmg is necessary since toublek offsets that with cooldown reduction which, in long fights, can be on par or even better than karnix in terms of dmg. This comparison feels weird. In pvp toublek is king since cdr affects all ur spells, and having shit ready to go faster is far more valuable than doing a bit of extra dmg in my opinion At the end of the day is just preference but toublek is feels so good, fast paced, cooldowns sync with eachother for better combos it just makes u feel good
@@cosminmocanu5254 I agree with your analysis, it's certainly true. Personally, I would prefer slightly harder hitting spells than frequency in pvp. In PvE, it remains to be seen. I have gotten very used to my cooldowns with Toublek. I really hope I won't set myself up for disaster, because I do not have the weapon stones to enhance a 2nd Bow to level 9. I must transfer, and that's a one way ticket.
The more I think about it, the more I doubt. I am Staff/Bow, and only use Strafing and Zephyrs for offense. Then Nature's Blessing and Healing Touch and Deadly Marker. So Karnix is only there to make Strafing a bit stronger...
Hello, first thank you for the video and the explanation, can you tell me if you have another video but talking about the magician's staff, to know which are the best options like the ones you have made in this video about the bows, just in case? You don't have a video about it like in this video, are you thinking of doing it on the magician's staff? , thanks in advance ^^
Thanks for this video. I looked your build video yesterday and wanted to know about these bows since i have the toublek bow, but you uploaded this video today. Good one
In terms of bow/STAFF, toublek longbow + toublek staff is insane for Cooldown Speed. Specifically I use it for a critical-focused crit damage 'machine gun' staff/bow PVE mage build; never out of mana, constant nukes. (In pvp, I am a wand/staff healer)
You don't have to play just because he's playing Karnix. In my opinion, you made a mistake and lost dex, aps, range. Damage almost the same. range is always better. more range more damage. Check ur passives
@@_rabid the damage you gain from the passive is only from crits, and it's so small you'd be foolish to think it makes up for the difference in base damage.
@@flushfire You literally have 12% more crit rate with toublek as compared to the karnix, you'd be foolish to think that it doesn't make up for the difference.
You do less dmg and build harder into dex you dont. Need. Endgame karnix is way better. Toublek is better for early game dex builds. Endgame is str.perception. gotta hit 50 str for heavy chance @billlam7756
That Toublek's passive is pretty tricky. It is somewhat useful to finish someone with relatively low damaging skill, considering it will increase 75% crit and if that hit does heavy attack it is a ton of dmg from even a zephyr's nock, but I suppose in most cases it will just amplify one of tiny arrows from strafing, tiny dmg from Brutal Arrow aoe effect or accidental auto attack. After 6s before next possibility of use fight will be over anyway :P If it just worked with any damage dealt to someone below 25% I would have absolutely zero doubt what bow to use.
same question, he totally misleads and now a lot people including me got wrong one cuz of his useless guide and questlog builds are showing different than he says on this video
@@jumanjidm5416 then what the point to have a watch his "guides" at all?) Right, for having kind of start point and having some plan from "experienced" person.
Are the comparison videos mislabelled? If you look at the flash wave clip, Toublek shows a 43s cd with 5.1k hit while karnix shows 41s cd with 5.6k hit, but Toublek is the one with Cooldown reduction, not karnix
Late to the video, but another bonus to Karnix is that the range buff will benefit you're other weapon allowing it to gain more from Sniper's Sense. As long as your secondary is also a ranged weapon.
Hello, good video, I have a question, I want to see if we can take the Malakar rifstone for example, but when I tap on it it tells me that I must complete the Malakar milestone between servers... what do you mean by this? How do I unlock the possibility of taking that stone? We tried to go to the Malakar pvp event, my guild didn't win but even if it was, we hit Malakar once but they didn't get unstuck.
Hello Whelps, thanks for the video. Is there a new guide for this current skill set here from the video? Your other guides have different skills. Do you have a link etc.? Would be great. I'd love to try it out. Greetings
Can you tell about those extra passive skills from weapons like eye on bow, it works only when you hold bow in hand? Or when wep is so equipped , i mean if you have tobulek staff and karnix bow both skils works all time ?
you have to build dex with a toublek bow, its low base damage to you need the crits to make it effective. I have tried both builds karnix str/perc and 70 dex toublek. For a liberator I think having higher damage flashwaves and spells that can 2x most of the time is a no brainer for me. A toublek build is probably more ideal with dagger/bow builds, fast attacks to launch your single target combo as quickly as you can, on top of high evasion.
Bro I maxed out my toublek for like 200 luncent and dumb luck on drops. If you can max talus staff lol then go for it but I have yet to see one drop for my guild. The first one we got was a dude that quit the next week :D :D
@@SovereignAi it is if you can get it. And trait it. Which as of now will cost you 160 just to get traits on it and like another 100 to get traits maxed out
Do you think they will balance any of the combat? I know its tab target but it really just feels like certain weapons are just flat out overpowered. The crossbow spin to win just melts everybody for example. Gs stuns are far to long... there are many glaring issues for pvp atm
it's still too early and many players aren't good. crossbow spin to win is completely countered and destroyed by a GS/Dagger player teleporting behind them and stunning them mid spin. once people actually get better at the game, instead of relying on combos that only work against people who don't know what they're doing, then some balancing can come in.
I think im finally starting to fully understand all of the complex gearing in this game. I was doing my dungeon runs to get the tokens for a guaranteed weapon and for my last 4 tokens i needed i ran tyrants isle and toubleks bow dropped. I was planning to get the karnix bow but since the toubleks bow dropped im wondering if it would be better for me to use toubleks and get the laquairus daggers instead so i have 2 purple weapons. I know people say its better to stick with fully traited blues until you can tait the purples but for weapons wouldnt it be better to swap to purple for the higher base damage? I have enough materials to level 2 purple weapons to level 9. Any help or advice is greatly appriciated. Thank you.
If your build is recommended or can obtain 50 str then purple is the way to go, if you're running say a dex or wisdom build with no semblance of heavy attack (general rule not including exceptions) then it might be better to hold onto a blue with traited out crit/heavy until you can get a purple with at least t1 heavy atk. That's just my opinion. Personally? I'd just go purple weapon anyways, but you would have to recognize at what point of the game you're at and configure your stats accordingly. For example: I'm a scout (xbox/bow), I have a karnix so my goal is 50/40/40 (Str/Dex/Per), because bow doesn't have any heavy atk passive I would want to get heavy atk on weapon IF I had traited blue but I didn't so I skipped to karnix. Hope that helps
I see you have melee evasion and ranged/magic evasion bis builds for pvp, but which do you prefer to run? Building both will be time intensive and expensive and im wondering if you can use the same sets in pvp as in pve
I've been following your guide on questlog and I had a question. Your chest piece recommends magic endurance and magic evasion. Why not ranged evasion and magic evasion? If the whole point is to stack evasion, would an extra 160 eva not make more sense than bringing your magic endurance from 0-160? Or am I just a massive noob?
can someone explain the deadly marker's skill spec 'bullseye'? it says it applies an additional marker to targets with deadly marker. does this mean it doubles the effect?
So how we progress into next level of gear ?? I’ve got +9 Toublek now almost fully traited. I guess if I wanna switch to Karnix I will just have the farm the item brand new and gear it from 0? I can’t transfer all my stat from Toublek to Karnix? And if next tier of gear comes out, can I transfer my +9 toublek to the new gear to be +6 like what can do rn from blue to purple ?
Hey whelps how come Longbow of Undead Skewering instead of Farshot longbow for your Bow/Staff Blue PVP bis. Farshot has 20 more base crit hit chance and 4 perception. they both have 16m range and 0.675 att speed
Can you show us, how you use the keyboard hotkeys for skills and at the same time how you walk with your character and use your mouse ? Pls LIKE, so he sees and makes a video !
Hi, i am new to this game and are following ur staff/bow guide on questlog but what the difference between the staff/bow PVE early game and BIS ? because the staff/bow PVE early game has much more CP and stats compare to BIS
@@lamp6381 ahh icic thx for the reply. i tot CP was more important because sometimes i see they set a quite high amount of CP requirement to enter co-op dungeon
id argue that casting speed ( aka attackspeed) , range would be better for pvp as damage would be the same if not better, since u get more cdr with toublek u get more spells in.
Which bow do you think is better for pvp as bow dagger? Is it still the same? And how about staff for pvp with staff dagger? (I'm currently playing both?
CDR for your dagger skills from toublek is really nice to have too. The dex fit also assists in stacking evasion and compliments dagger evasion passive. More alpha from karnix, but that qol from toublek is really strong
@@Alex-gn6iidoes the cdr from toublek also apply to non-longbow skills? Thought passives are only meant to work for skills that fall under the particular weapon.
I have a question I wish you answer : I crafted lithograph for a helmet from the npc using the drop we get from word boss ( special resistance medal) , I couldn't sell it in auction house After that I crafter the helmet using the lithograph, and I got bad trait :/ I want to make new lithograph from the same helmet , can I sell the new lithograph or i can't ? Thank you in advance.
good analysis but to be a perfect test you should have moved further away with toublek to take advantage of sniper's sense. Probably Toublek would still do less damage but would narrow the gap between the two. We also have to take in account the fact that toublek's faster attack, means more autoattacks. I'd also think that toublek would shine on big pool HP target such as field bosses or higher tier dungeon etc , the bigger the 25% hp of the target, the more procs you'd get. One last thing: I'd go Toublek as Bow/Daggers and Karnix as Bow/Staff.
The difference between the two with regards to sniper sense is minimal since the difference (without someone else buffing toublek's) is just 1.8m. That's a 1.62% difference at max level, and only for crits. Karnix is much better for crits anyway because of how crits work.
His stats are also bad atm with karnix you want 50 str. Now that you have 50 str from karnix giving 11 u got a whole extra maxed trait heavy attack basically. And are hitting 2x dmg twice as much as toublek bow. Which is HUGE.
Hi, I see that your builds don't have traits. Same here builds like Staff/Bow T1 Mele Evasion, Max Range and Staff/Bow PVE BIS. Can you tell me what traits are worth setting?
PVE Karnix, PVP Toubleks. We can't just disregard Toublek's Trick passive because during PVP, 25% of a tank's HP can be considerably high, along with endurance stats being high enough to block a good amount of damage. Just some food for thought.
If your targets endurance is high toublek passive doesnt work Because remember it needs under 25% hp but also it needs to be a crit. You dont crit high endurance targets
Why do you only calculate 16m from the bow? If I put on gloves and the like with + range, the calculation looks completely different, or does the 9% only count on the sheet? doesn't make any sense at all
Yep if you count on other range bonus then toublek gets even more range since the bonus is in % of the base. In really a Toublek build will have around 5m more range and you can still get the 9% from someone in your party a healer most likely
@@PokerPixels you're not getting much out of Toublek's if you don't plan to do any pvp. Keep in mind that heals also scale off of base damage. And range isn't really all that vital in pve.
Ah now am lost, i was planning to farm coins to craft the bow , i play wand/bow and am pretty active pvp Play, i wanted to go for karnix to stack STR, but now idk , range is also very important in pvp. Help
I did my own since I've never found anyone that did it. Conditions as fair as possible while also playing to each other's strengths. Karnix consistently did more DPS for me, but I still ended up choosing Toublek's since the difference was not that big (around 10% by my estimation). I'm still just 2600+ so that will probably change, but I needed to decide.
Aspd should be counted as "attack for every unit of time" That means: 1.0 aspd is 1 attack every 1.0 seconds (you attack once every second) 0.5 aspd is 1 attack every 0.5 seconds (you attack twice every second) The lower the better. Cheers
I compared maxroll's pve gear guide to your bis build and it looks like their damage is really close to your build, the bow damage is actually higher, the staff is 20 max dmg lower but 30 min dmg higher, they use higher perception gear, can you compare their build to yours and give your opinion? ty
To late for me. Im maxout toublek and didnt know there is significant damage diff for bow. And the highest atm is karnix. I want to build slow nuke brain dead class and karnix is i supposed to go
It's 'preference' at the end of the day
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Dont you put in statistic the fact that the bow has a pasive that gives you more crit damage further are you from target ? So the difference in damage is not so great...
@@ashuraarashy I hope it's sarcastic :D
@@sanjibuu2892 personally I think karnix are better, so many gap closing mechanics hence the difference gap are diminished..
But again, it is preference... I like spamming skills with evasion build, rather than dealing damage I prefer to annoy people with cc and kite so toublex is the way to go for me, for those who seek glory and kill count Karnix is indeed better crit.chance + strength stats gonna melt squishy
Toublek is better
Video couldn’t have come at a better time. Literally need 2 days of dungeons then I can get the tokens to craft one of these bows. Ty very much for the great information and your opinion!
I always get asked in comments and chat 'Whats better Toublek or Karnix?' Now i can finally link them this video. Thanks Whelps
and still dont get anser... i mean what is better xd
@@johndarlas1228 F
If you can't answer it yourself with what was just given to you, you will never have an answer.
@@johndarlas1228 karnix = more damage, Toublek = smoother game play. karnix better pve, toublek better in pvp
@@hiimapotato so that means you dont know too i see... xaxa
@@johndarlas1228 its always what you like to do in mmo, if you prefer to do longer range and maximizing sniper sense, then toublek is better
thanks for this, was literally talking with my boys on which one is better and this pretty much answered my question.
Just like to mention that chain hook has a range of ~15m therefore a slight distance increase may not seem like much but it can mean the difference b/t winning/losing a fight with a SnS / X player
Actually i prefer toublek for pvp yeah karnix have more damage input but i want range and i play with a mate in arena with karnix i outrange every staff bow user by using toublek bow + karnix mate buff , by the time they are in range if they dont dash i own them already. So i prefer range dex cdr and execute proc than a little bit more damage strengh and crit ( i'm a bow staff)
This is what we needed, that you so much. :) I was already convinced of Karnix based on my own theorizing, but I had not expected the damage difference to be so immense because of some 45 base damage.
Gets bigger with more bonus damage too(primal bracers + 40 dex)
I may have to go for karnix now. Kinda want both tho
@@ne1tupk813 I only have Toublek currently. Had no luck with Karnix yet, but I really want it.
raw numbers arent a good indicator. By the time u fire 4 zephirs with karnix, ull fire 5 with toublek. The difference in dmg is necessary since toublek offsets that with cooldown reduction which, in long fights, can be on par or even better than karnix in terms of dmg. This comparison feels weird.
In pvp toublek is king since cdr affects all ur spells, and having shit ready to go faster is far more valuable than doing a bit of extra dmg in my opinion
At the end of the day is just preference but toublek is feels so good, fast paced, cooldowns sync with eachother for better combos it just makes u feel good
@@cosminmocanu5254 I agree with your analysis, it's certainly true. Personally, I would prefer slightly harder hitting spells than frequency in pvp. In PvE, it remains to be seen. I have gotten very used to my cooldowns with Toublek. I really hope I won't set myself up for disaster, because I do not have the weapon stones to enhance a 2nd Bow to level 9. I must transfer, and that's a one way ticket.
The more I think about it, the more I doubt. I am Staff/Bow, and only use Strafing and Zephyrs for offense. Then Nature's Blessing and Healing Touch and Deadly Marker. So Karnix is only there to make Strafing a bit stronger...
Hello, first thank you for the video and the explanation, can you tell me if you have another video but talking about the magician's staff, to know which are the best options like the ones you have made in this video about the bows, just in case? You don't have a video about it
like in this video, are you thinking of doing it on the magician's staff? , thanks in advance ^^
Thanks for this video. I looked your build video yesterday and wanted to know about these bows since i have the toublek bow, but you uploaded this video today. Good one
Just maxed my traits on my Karnix! Glad I made the right choice
its preference, toublek is just as good, with faster cooldowns it will balance out in the end.
Have fun getting out ranged by toublek users bud 😂
In terms of bow/STAFF, toublek longbow + toublek staff is insane for Cooldown Speed. Specifically I use it for a critical-focused crit damage 'machine gun' staff/bow PVE mage build; never out of mana, constant nukes. (In pvp, I am a wand/staff healer)
i was already worried i made a mistake with karnix because i see so many toublek users on my server. thanks for the explanation
You don't have to play just because he's playing Karnix. In my opinion, you made a mistake and lost dex, aps, range. Damage almost the same. range is always better. more range more damage. Check ur passives
Imo toublek is better all around while the other only pve
@@_rabid the damage you gain from the passive is only from crits, and it's so small you'd be foolish to think it makes up for the difference in base damage.
@@flushfire You literally have 12% more crit rate with toublek as compared to the karnix, you'd be foolish to think that it doesn't make up for the difference.
You do less dmg and build harder into dex you dont. Need. Endgame karnix is way better. Toublek is better for early game dex builds. Endgame is str.perception. gotta hit 50 str for heavy chance @billlam7756
thanks whelps .making bow/daggers and was wondering about this
and now the really important question: Talus staff or Toublek staff?
Toublek until you get talus. Talus is a direct upgrade for pvp. Also alot harder to get your hands on
@@Lyrios25umbramancer could be a good replacement as well
What about the Aelon´s Rejuvenating Bow?
That Toublek's passive is pretty tricky. It is somewhat useful to finish someone with relatively low damaging skill, considering it will increase 75% crit and if that hit does heavy attack it is a ton of dmg from even a zephyr's nock, but I suppose in most cases it will just amplify one of tiny arrows from strafing, tiny dmg from Brutal Arrow aoe effect or accidental auto attack. After 6s before next possibility of use fight will be over anyway :P If it just worked with any damage dealt to someone below 25% I would have absolutely zero doubt what bow to use.
1:55 wow if ATK SPD does affect skill animations too then it's indeed worth something to look at.
It does, very obvious for greatsword users like me
why u put troublek in your builds questlogg?
same question, he totally misleads and now a lot people including me got wrong one cuz of his useless guide and questlog builds are showing different than he says on this video
@@atlassimulor8512 you do not own head ? can decide what you want and dont follow build blindly, he said bow is personal preference
Probably cause that's what the majority use but he prefers karnix not that hard to figure out
@@Keyshawn13 then why his questlog build is not available now?)
@@jumanjidm5416 then what the point to have a watch his "guides" at all?) Right, for having kind of start point and having some plan from "experienced" person.
Are the comparison videos mislabelled? If you look at the flash wave clip, Toublek shows a 43s cd with 5.1k hit while karnix shows 41s cd with 5.6k hit, but Toublek is the one with Cooldown reduction, not karnix
He said "pretend" he only tested the max dmg range not CDR.
he is not using actual bows he uses a representative dmg wise bow on each moment
Late to the video, but another bonus to Karnix is that the range buff will benefit you're other weapon allowing it to gain more from Sniper's Sense. As long as your secondary is also a ranged weapon.
Whats your opinion on the Umbramancer staff instead of Toublek? Many people are combining it with Karnix
I run both those and I love it!
The umbramancer staff is pretty easy to get. It dropped in shadow crypt.
5:47 How do you have so many presets/setups? Is this KR?
That cool-down speed though, helps a bunch!
Yea I really want that cooldown speed but I need the strength to so I have to do the other one. Is the CDR all abilities or just bow?
Hello, good video, I have a question, I want to see if we can take the Malakar rifstone for example, but when I tap on it it tells me that I must complete the Malakar milestone between servers... what do you mean by this? How do I unlock the possibility of taking that stone? We tried to go to the Malakar pvp event, my guild didn't win but even if it was, we hit Malakar once but they didn't get unstuck.
Hello Whelps,
thanks for the video. Is there a new guide for this current skill set here from the video? Your other guides have different skills. Do you have a link etc.? Would be great. I'd love to try it out. Greetings
what move did you use at the end of the video?
Can you tell about those extra passive skills from weapons like eye on bow, it works only when you hold bow in hand? Or when wep is so equipped , i mean if you have tobulek staff and karnix bow both skils works all time ?
they work all the time just having them equipped
you have to build dex with a toublek bow, its low base damage to you need the crits to make it effective. I have tried both builds karnix str/perc and 70 dex toublek. For a liberator I think having higher damage flashwaves and spells that can 2x most of the time is a no brainer for me. A toublek build is probably more ideal with dagger/bow builds, fast attacks to launch your single target combo as quickly as you can, on top of high evasion.
perfect, now can you do same video for toublek staff vs talus staff?
Toublek Allrounder Talus PvP
@@KevinMichaelisyou're not a TH-camr you're not even top 100 on kills!!!!
Bro I maxed out my toublek for like 200 luncent and dumb luck on drops. If you can max talus staff lol then go for it but I have yet to see one drop for my guild. The first one we got was a dude that quit the next week :D :D
Talus is the best in PvP by far
@@SovereignAi it is if you can get it. And trait it. Which as of now will cost you 160 just to get traits on it and like another 100 to get traits maxed out
Did you update your questlog builds today? I feel like I was following a build of yours and it changed but I could be wrong.
Karnix supremacy
Fr just got the bow last night and holy crap thing hits like a train.
Karnix all day in PvP. When it comes to realistic expectations involving gear Karnix plays best. Passives aside 11 strength is choice.
Freshy recommended you to me. Subbed and liked.
Do you think they will balance any of the combat? I know its tab target but it really just feels like certain weapons are just flat out overpowered. The crossbow spin to win just melts everybody for example. Gs stuns are far to long... there are many glaring issues for pvp atm
it's still too early and many players aren't good. crossbow spin to win is completely countered and destroyed by a GS/Dagger player teleporting behind them and stunning them mid spin.
once people actually get better at the game, instead of relying on combos that only work against people who don't know what they're doing, then some balancing can come in.
Crossbow spin to win countered by a stun or simply having good ranged evasion
@@tyrant3191what u talking about 😂😂 wtf
@@vScpe what part did you get lost at? I'll dumb if down for you
All you have to do is block that spin
I think im finally starting to fully understand all of the complex gearing in this game. I was doing my dungeon runs to get the tokens for a guaranteed weapon and for my last 4 tokens i needed i ran tyrants isle and toubleks bow dropped. I was planning to get the karnix bow but since the toubleks bow dropped im wondering if it would be better for me to use toubleks and get the laquairus daggers instead so i have 2 purple weapons. I know people say its better to stick with fully traited blues until you can tait the purples but for weapons wouldnt it be better to swap to purple for the higher base damage? I have enough materials to level 2 purple weapons to level 9. Any help or advice is greatly appriciated. Thank you.
If your build is recommended or can obtain 50 str then purple is the way to go, if you're running say a dex or wisdom build with no semblance of heavy attack (general rule not including exceptions) then it might be better to hold onto a blue with traited out crit/heavy until you can get a purple with at least t1 heavy atk. That's just my opinion.
Personally? I'd just go purple weapon anyways, but you would have to recognize at what point of the game you're at and configure your stats accordingly. For example: I'm a scout (xbox/bow), I have a karnix so my goal is 50/40/40 (Str/Dex/Per), because bow doesn't have any heavy atk passive I would want to get heavy atk on weapon IF I had traited blue but I didn't so I skipped to karnix. Hope that helps
So how would your Global T1 PvP build for Bow/Staff look like with a Karnix? Cause rn you do Toublek/Talus for PvP and Karnix/Toublek for PvE
its bit messy but its all here questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/WinnerOfTheVictory?build-id=163378
for me, the Cooldown difference is what makes the toublek a bit better. Being able to dish out more damage faster.
any idea why the PvE BIS tab on your questlog page has a crazy low combat power compared to even the "early game" one?
where can i see your karnix builds and other armors and where to gets, i have a hard understanding your build at questgg
I see you have melee evasion and ranged/magic evasion bis builds for pvp, but which do you prefer to run? Building both will be time intensive and expensive and im wondering if you can use the same sets in pvp as in pve
I've been following your guide on questlog and I had a question. Your chest piece recommends magic endurance and magic evasion. Why not ranged evasion and magic evasion? If the whole point is to stack evasion, would an extra 160 eva not make more sense than bringing your magic endurance from 0-160? Or am I just a massive noob?
You gonna try new world out again after the update?
Can you make a Endurance build for Bow/Staff?
can someone explain the deadly marker's skill spec 'bullseye'? it says it applies an additional marker to targets with deadly marker. does this mean it doubles the effect?
amazon translations :D bullseye is just another stack of target condition
i was wondering about toublek or talus for staff?
For pvp talus
So how we progress into next level of gear ?? I’ve got +9 Toublek now almost fully traited. I guess if I wanna switch to Karnix I will just have the farm the item brand new and gear it from 0? I can’t transfer all my stat from Toublek to Karnix?
And if next tier of gear comes out, can I transfer my +9 toublek to the new gear to be +6 like what can do rn from blue to purple ?
Hey whelps how come Longbow of Undead Skewering instead of Farshot longbow for your Bow/Staff Blue PVP bis. Farshot has 20 more base crit hit chance and 4 perception. they both have 16m range and 0.675 att speed
Blue is just a placeholder until purple
Btw you only have the BIS builds for Bow/dagger on the link
Can you show us, how you use the keyboard hotkeys for skills and at the same time how you walk with your character and use your mouse ?
Pls LIKE, so he sees and makes a video !
Would you still advice Karnix for tripple endurance longbow+wand PvP Seeker build? 😮
Hi, i am new to this game and are following ur staff/bow guide on questlog but what the difference between the staff/bow PVE early game and BIS ? because the staff/bow PVE early game has much more CP and stats compare to BIS
Dont worry about cp. Some of the BiS gear is from world bosses so go for that when you can
@@lamp6381 ahh icic thx for the reply. i tot CP was more important because sometimes i see they set a quite high amount of CP requirement to enter co-op dungeon
I wish you had tested on a doll with less than 25% health to see the passive
No need to just do the math lol 😅
That's the Staff not the Bow.
id argue that casting speed ( aka attackspeed) , range would be better for pvp as damage would be the same if not better, since u get more cdr with toublek u get more spells in.
Which bow do you think is better for pvp as bow dagger? Is it still the same? And how about staff for pvp with staff dagger? (I'm currently playing both?
Toublek can be played for bow dagger but for staff dagger karnix because youll outrange your staff with toublek
CDR for your dagger skills from toublek is really nice to have too. The dex fit also assists in stacking evasion and compliments dagger evasion passive. More alpha from karnix, but that qol from toublek is really strong
@@Alex-gn6iidoes the cdr from toublek also apply to non-longbow skills? Thought passives are only meant to work for skills that fall under the particular weapon.
I have a question I wish you answer :
I crafted lithograph for a helmet from the npc using the drop we get from word boss ( special resistance medal) , I couldn't sell it in auction house
After that I crafter the helmet using the lithograph, and I got bad trait :/
I want to make new lithograph from the same helmet , can I sell the new lithograph or i can't ?
Thank you in advance.
good analysis but to be a perfect test you should have moved further away with toublek to take advantage of sniper's sense. Probably Toublek would still do less damage but would narrow the gap between the two. We also have to take in account the fact that toublek's faster attack, means more autoattacks. I'd also think that toublek would shine on big pool HP target such as field bosses or higher tier dungeon etc , the bigger the 25% hp of the target, the more procs you'd get. One last thing: I'd go Toublek as Bow/Daggers and Karnix as Bow/Staff.
The difference between the two with regards to sniper sense is minimal since the difference (without someone else buffing toublek's) is just 1.8m. That's a 1.62% difference at max level, and only for crits. Karnix is much better for crits anyway because of how crits work.
His stats are also bad atm with karnix you want 50 str. Now that you have 50 str from karnix giving 11 u got a whole extra maxed trait heavy attack basically. And are hitting 2x dmg twice as much as toublek bow. Which is HUGE.
Does the range from Karnix or Cooldown Speed from Toublek affect everything? Or just the bow moves?
Everything
Hi, I see that your builds don't have traits. Same here builds like Staff/Bow T1 Mele Evasion, Max Range and Staff/Bow PVE BIS. Can you tell me what traits are worth setting?
theres no traits for PvE builds cuz traits are not needed for PvE
Question can bow & wand do high Dps in pve & pvp?
Yeeee
Are the effects of these weapons still effective when they are switched to sub weapons?
Whelps what do you think about staff of umbramancer and endurance build?
they are ok and works but im not fan of both
I would do that if you wanted a budget build. It will cost 8x cheaper to make your build with that staff and going endurance.
@@MeistGamingChannel can I ask why is umbra tied to endurance build?
@@MeistGamingChannel thats true thats why im doing and its kinda cheap but the thing will i be useful with that set in PvP ? 😭
And vs aelon??
grand aelon is the answer, its something inbetween both of them, with good range, good att speed, good dmg, very high hit chance
Can I still follow your original build with toublek instead of karnix? I already got rid of the blue head piece and replaced with hood
Depends on your playstyle. Toublek is acrually better for Bow/staff/wanders
Can you make a build mid game for Toublek?
How you made more quick slots?? Ive got only 3
PVE Karnix, PVP Toubleks. We can't just disregard Toublek's Trick passive because during PVP, 25% of a tank's HP can be considerably high, along with endurance stats being high enough to block a good amount of damage. Just some food for thought.
If your targets endurance is high toublek passive doesnt work
Because remember it needs under 25% hp but also it needs to be a crit.
You dont crit high endurance targets
@@agoatwithnonamd yep
That is also the Staff not the bow.
@@blackdynamiteSJC No it's not
@heyflo1 Yea my video switched and I commented on the wrong video
heyy can I ask the rotation for Bow/Staff AoE Farm?
hi from the chile, talus/grand Aelon? I used that combination in Korea, What do you think?
thank u bro for ur work :D
Hello! Good content as always.
I always thought karnix has more range because of passive thanks for the explanation
I mean you can easily tell in game that toublek has more range
He answered that in the Video -_-
Why do you only calculate 16m from the bow? If I put on gloves and the like with + range, the calculation looks completely different, or does the 9% only count on the sheet? doesn't make any sense at all
because im comparing weapons not gloves and I explain how the +range stats work, they increase base on weapon range so you get more on toublek
Yep if you count on other range bonus then toublek gets even more range since the bonus is in % of the base.
In really a Toublek build will have around 5m more range and you can still get the 9% from someone in your party a healer most likely
Would Toublek be better for a healer because of the range and faster ability cooldown? Or still go for Karnix for more damage?
healer takes karnix for 11str to reach 50 str and inrease range of your party
@@Whelpswhat if I’m not interested for pvp and mainly do pve?
@@PokerPixels you're not getting much out of Toublek's if you don't plan to do any pvp. Keep in mind that heals also scale off of base damage. And range isn't really all that vital in pve.
How much evasion do I need to avoid getting one shot?
So is toubleks passive only applying on auto attacks and not on skills?
skills also, but must be a crit
I’m staff dagger user but I ended up getting both todsy by accident I don’t know if I want sell them
can you make guide for bow and wand?
Whelp awesome video, great to see it put in action. 45 Base damage is much bigger than expected.
You are awesome! Great video
Ah now am lost, i was planning to farm coins to craft the bow , i play wand/bow and am pretty active pvp Play, i wanted to go for karnix to stack STR, but now idk , range is also very important in pvp.
Help
bow/wand? karnix
Should have tested dps. One does higher numbers but one can push out numbers faster. Would be nice to get actual dps tests.
I did my own since I've never found anyone that did it. Conditions as fair as possible while also playing to each other's strengths. Karnix consistently did more DPS for me, but I still ended up choosing Toublek's since the difference was not that big (around 10% by my estimation). I'm still just 2600+ so that will probably change, but I needed to decide.
So for healers Karnix is also better because more dmg = more heal right? Especially crit hit chance also increases healing power.
For healer karnix is def better yes cuz you provide range to your party too
Am confused, u said dex increase attk speed but ingame when i increase dex attk speed goes lower...
Aspd should be counted as "attack for every unit of time"
That means:
1.0 aspd is 1 attack every 1.0 seconds (you attack once every second)
0.5 aspd is 1 attack every 0.5 seconds (you attack twice every second)
The lower the better. Cheers
Tell me plz. How you aoe fire dmg on sniping skill bow?
its Flash Wave not
sniping.
@@timproc9355 its wand skill?
@@realstix bow skill, it's Flash Arrow with specialization
Does attack speed afect the second weap skills?
No
Yes it does, the attack apeed on my xbows lowers when i equip the trouble bow.
The dex bonus on the bow lowers attack soeed on both weapons.
I compared maxroll's pve gear guide to your bis build and it looks like their damage is really close to your build, the bow damage is actually higher, the staff is 20 max dmg lower but 30 min dmg higher, they use higher perception gear, can you compare their build to yours and give your opinion? ty
i use karnix + umbra mancer staff for a str + perception build and its really easy and cheap to build
off topic but that dress is so cute, was it a shop item?
hes on korean bro.
@@thuytruong3210 ik but im asking if its gonna be on shop or smt else BRO
What about Aelon ??
hey yo whelps... love ur content bro ! can u make a video about what is the better open world dungeons to farm ?
Do you main hand staff or bow?
Always bow 100%
Thanks for your video!
when i have karnix equippted but use a crossbow skill, will my crossbow range benefit from karnix? im bow/crossbow pve player
yes
@@Whelpsthought it only works for longbow skills? Cos you don’t use karnix for crossbow skills, but crossbow weapons?
Do what’s the better xbow
Thank you for sharing your opinion! ❤
I got lucky with rng and got toublek on first chest drop. I believe it is the best bow
To late for me. Im maxout toublek and didnt know there is significant damage diff for bow. And the highest atm is karnix.
I want to build slow nuke brain dead class and karnix is i supposed to go
Can you please continue this series for all commonly compared weapons Whelps! Please do this for Rex xbow vs Stormbringer xbow!
No luck with Karnix, went with Toublek love that range!!!