Karnix or Toublek? Which Bow Is Better? - Throne and Liberty

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  • @Whelps
    @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    It's 'preference' at the end of the day

    • @ashuraarashy
      @ashuraarashy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Top comment

    • @sanjibuu2892
      @sanjibuu2892 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dont you put in statistic the fact that the bow has a pasive that gives you more crit damage further are you from target ? So the difference in damage is not so great...

    • @atlassimulor8512
      @atlassimulor8512 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ashuraarashy I hope it's sarcastic :D

    • @ashuraarashy
      @ashuraarashy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@sanjibuu2892 personally I think karnix are better, so many gap closing mechanics hence the difference gap are diminished..
      But again, it is preference... I like spamming skills with evasion build, rather than dealing damage I prefer to annoy people with cc and kite so toublex is the way to go for me, for those who seek glory and kill count Karnix is indeed better crit.chance + strength stats gonna melt squishy

    • @Darius-f3c
      @Darius-f3c 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Toublek is better

  • @MrKornGuy
    @MrKornGuy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Video couldn’t have come at a better time. Literally need 2 days of dungeons then I can get the tokens to craft one of these bows. Ty very much for the great information and your opinion!

  • @FRESHY_GG
    @FRESHY_GG 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    I always get asked in comments and chat 'Whats better Toublek or Karnix?' Now i can finally link them this video. Thanks Whelps

    • @johndarlas1228
      @johndarlas1228 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      and still dont get anser... i mean what is better xd

    • @hiimapotato
      @hiimapotato 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@johndarlas1228 F
      If you can't answer it yourself with what was just given to you, you will never have an answer.

    • @ashoc0
      @ashoc0 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@johndarlas1228 karnix = more damage, Toublek = smoother game play. karnix better pve, toublek better in pvp

    • @johndarlas1228
      @johndarlas1228 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hiimapotato so that means you dont know too i see... xaxa

    • @asrilhanif609
      @asrilhanif609 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johndarlas1228 its always what you like to do in mmo, if you prefer to do longer range and maximizing sniper sense, then toublek is better

  • @michaelpese6292
    @michaelpese6292 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    thanks for this, was literally talking with my boys on which one is better and this pretty much answered my question.

  • @dallas9568
    @dallas9568 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just like to mention that chain hook has a range of ~15m therefore a slight distance increase may not seem like much but it can mean the difference b/t winning/losing a fight with a SnS / X player

  • @bluepineapple6857
    @bluepineapple6857 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Actually i prefer toublek for pvp yeah karnix have more damage input but i want range and i play with a mate in arena with karnix i outrange every staff bow user by using toublek bow + karnix mate buff , by the time they are in range if they dont dash i own them already. So i prefer range dex cdr and execute proc than a little bit more damage strengh and crit ( i'm a bow staff)

  • @Gleandra
    @Gleandra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    This is what we needed, that you so much. :) I was already convinced of Karnix based on my own theorizing, but I had not expected the damage difference to be so immense because of some 45 base damage.

    • @ne1tupk813
      @ne1tupk813 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gets bigger with more bonus damage too(primal bracers + 40 dex)
      I may have to go for karnix now. Kinda want both tho

    • @Gleandra
      @Gleandra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ne1tupk813 I only have Toublek currently. Had no luck with Karnix yet, but I really want it.

    • @cosminmocanu5254
      @cosminmocanu5254 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      raw numbers arent a good indicator. By the time u fire 4 zephirs with karnix, ull fire 5 with toublek. The difference in dmg is necessary since toublek offsets that with cooldown reduction which, in long fights, can be on par or even better than karnix in terms of dmg. This comparison feels weird.
      In pvp toublek is king since cdr affects all ur spells, and having shit ready to go faster is far more valuable than doing a bit of extra dmg in my opinion
      At the end of the day is just preference but toublek is feels so good, fast paced, cooldowns sync with eachother for better combos it just makes u feel good

    • @Gleandra
      @Gleandra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cosminmocanu5254 I agree with your analysis, it's certainly true. Personally, I would prefer slightly harder hitting spells than frequency in pvp. In PvE, it remains to be seen. I have gotten very used to my cooldowns with Toublek. I really hope I won't set myself up for disaster, because I do not have the weapon stones to enhance a 2nd Bow to level 9. I must transfer, and that's a one way ticket.

    • @Gleandra
      @Gleandra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The more I think about it, the more I doubt. I am Staff/Bow, and only use Strafing and Zephyrs for offense. Then Nature's Blessing and Healing Touch and Deadly Marker. So Karnix is only there to make Strafing a bit stronger...

  • @Lito_Sanchez
    @Lito_Sanchez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hello, first thank you for the video and the explanation, can you tell me if you have another video but talking about the magician's staff, to know which are the best options like the ones you have made in this video about the bows, just in case? You don't have a video about it
    like in this video, are you thinking of doing it on the magician's staff? , thanks in advance ^^

  • @anoshpaul5185
    @anoshpaul5185 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for this video. I looked your build video yesterday and wanted to know about these bows since i have the toublek bow, but you uploaded this video today. Good one

  • @ekognaG
    @ekognaG 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Just maxed my traits on my Karnix! Glad I made the right choice

    • @zihuatenejo
      @zihuatenejo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      its preference, toublek is just as good, with faster cooldowns it will balance out in the end.

    • @f8widescat392
      @f8widescat392 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Have fun getting out ranged by toublek users bud 😂

  • @iZestos
    @iZestos 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In terms of bow/STAFF, toublek longbow + toublek staff is insane for Cooldown Speed. Specifically I use it for a critical-focused crit damage 'machine gun' staff/bow PVE mage build; never out of mana, constant nukes. (In pvp, I am a wand/staff healer)

  • @khadajhin8656
    @khadajhin8656 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    i was already worried i made a mistake with karnix because i see so many toublek users on my server. thanks for the explanation

    • @_rabid
      @_rabid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You don't have to play just because he's playing Karnix. In my opinion, you made a mistake and lost dex, aps, range. Damage almost the same. range is always better. more range more damage. Check ur passives

    • @billlam7756
      @billlam7756 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Imo toublek is better all around while the other only pve

    • @flushfire
      @flushfire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@_rabid the damage you gain from the passive is only from crits, and it's so small you'd be foolish to think it makes up for the difference in base damage.

    • @dteksss
      @dteksss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@flushfire You literally have 12% more crit rate with toublek as compared to the karnix, you'd be foolish to think that it doesn't make up for the difference.

    • @Taylor-q2t
      @Taylor-q2t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You do less dmg and build harder into dex you dont. Need. Endgame karnix is way better. Toublek is better for early game dex builds. Endgame is str.perception. gotta hit 50 str for heavy chance ​@billlam7756

  • @steverr600
    @steverr600 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thanks whelps .making bow/daggers and was wondering about this

  • @Debaby324
    @Debaby324 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    and now the really important question: Talus staff or Toublek staff?

    • @Lyrios25
      @Lyrios25 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Toublek until you get talus. Talus is a direct upgrade for pvp. Also alot harder to get your hands on

    • @Keyshawn13
      @Keyshawn13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Lyrios25umbramancer could be a good replacement as well

  • @gyoza1305
    @gyoza1305 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What about the Aelon´s Rejuvenating Bow?

  • @Lesminster
    @Lesminster 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That Toublek's passive is pretty tricky. It is somewhat useful to finish someone with relatively low damaging skill, considering it will increase 75% crit and if that hit does heavy attack it is a ton of dmg from even a zephyr's nock, but I suppose in most cases it will just amplify one of tiny arrows from strafing, tiny dmg from Brutal Arrow aoe effect or accidental auto attack. After 6s before next possibility of use fight will be over anyway :P If it just worked with any damage dealt to someone below 25% I would have absolutely zero doubt what bow to use.

  • @HannahPen-e2n
    @HannahPen-e2n 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:55 wow if ATK SPD does affect skill animations too then it's indeed worth something to look at.

    • @thecake122
      @thecake122 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It does, very obvious for greatsword users like me

  • @clipo9269
    @clipo9269 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    why u put troublek in your builds questlogg?

    • @atlassimulor8512
      @atlassimulor8512 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      same question, he totally misleads and now a lot people including me got wrong one cuz of his useless guide and questlog builds are showing different than he says on this video

    • @jumanjidm5416
      @jumanjidm5416 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@atlassimulor8512 you do not own head ? can decide what you want and dont follow build blindly, he said bow is personal preference

    • @Keyshawn13
      @Keyshawn13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Probably cause that's what the majority use but he prefers karnix not that hard to figure out

    • @atlassimulor8512
      @atlassimulor8512 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Keyshawn13 then why his questlog build is not available now?)

    • @atlassimulor8512
      @atlassimulor8512 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jumanjidm5416 then what the point to have a watch his "guides" at all?) Right, for having kind of start point and having some plan from "experienced" person.

  • @IgnistusiaPOE
    @IgnistusiaPOE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Are the comparison videos mislabelled? If you look at the flash wave clip, Toublek shows a 43s cd with 5.1k hit while karnix shows 41s cd with 5.6k hit, but Toublek is the one with Cooldown reduction, not karnix

    • @xNatakux
      @xNatakux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He said "pretend" he only tested the max dmg range not CDR.

    • @GnzsUWU
      @GnzsUWU 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he is not using actual bows he uses a representative dmg wise bow on each moment

  • @fashionedsoul8935
    @fashionedsoul8935 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Late to the video, but another bonus to Karnix is that the range buff will benefit you're other weapon allowing it to gain more from Sniper's Sense. As long as your secondary is also a ranged weapon.

  • @Dzaki_LFC
    @Dzaki_LFC หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Whats your opinion on the Umbramancer staff instead of Toublek? Many people are combining it with Karnix

    • @brandenmeadows4286
      @brandenmeadows4286 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I run both those and I love it!

    • @brandenmeadows4286
      @brandenmeadows4286 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The umbramancer staff is pretty easy to get. It dropped in shadow crypt.

  • @vsxy-f
    @vsxy-f หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:47 How do you have so many presets/setups? Is this KR?

  • @EASPORTS2K9
    @EASPORTS2K9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That cool-down speed though, helps a bunch!

    • @ethangraner7102
      @ethangraner7102 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea I really want that cooldown speed but I need the strength to so I have to do the other one. Is the CDR all abilities or just bow?

  • @Myg388
    @Myg388 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello, good video, I have a question, I want to see if we can take the Malakar rifstone for example, but when I tap on it it tells me that I must complete the Malakar milestone between servers... what do you mean by this? How do I unlock the possibility of taking that stone? We tried to go to the Malakar pvp event, my guild didn't win but even if it was, we hit Malakar once but they didn't get unstuck.

  • @Enel_3
    @Enel_3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Whelps,
    thanks for the video. Is there a new guide for this current skill set here from the video? Your other guides have different skills. Do you have a link etc.? Would be great. I'd love to try it out. Greetings

  • @TheCamouflagedMarksman
    @TheCamouflagedMarksman 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what move did you use at the end of the video?

  • @KorneliuszTomica
    @KorneliuszTomica 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you tell about those extra passive skills from weapons like eye on bow, it works only when you hold bow in hand? Or when wep is so equipped , i mean if you have tobulek staff and karnix bow both skils works all time ?

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      they work all the time just having them equipped

  • @renzeldavid4568
    @renzeldavid4568 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you have to build dex with a toublek bow, its low base damage to you need the crits to make it effective. I have tried both builds karnix str/perc and 70 dex toublek. For a liberator I think having higher damage flashwaves and spells that can 2x most of the time is a no brainer for me. A toublek build is probably more ideal with dagger/bow builds, fast attacks to launch your single target combo as quickly as you can, on top of high evasion.

  • @xsteven3332
    @xsteven3332 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    perfect, now can you do same video for toublek staff vs talus staff?

    • @KevinMichaelis
      @KevinMichaelis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Toublek Allrounder Talus PvP

    • @SooooNerdy
      @SooooNerdy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@KevinMichaelisyou're not a TH-camr you're not even top 100 on kills!!!!

    • @RonIbarra
      @RonIbarra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro I maxed out my toublek for like 200 luncent and dumb luck on drops. If you can max talus staff lol then go for it but I have yet to see one drop for my guild. The first one we got was a dude that quit the next week :D :D

    • @SovereignAi
      @SovereignAi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Talus is the best in PvP by far

    • @SooooNerdy
      @SooooNerdy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SovereignAi it is if you can get it. And trait it. Which as of now will cost you 160 just to get traits on it and like another 100 to get traits maxed out

  • @Warfalcon
    @Warfalcon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did you update your questlog builds today? I feel like I was following a build of yours and it changed but I could be wrong.

  • @5LEEP.
    @5LEEP. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Karnix supremacy

    • @brandenmeadows4286
      @brandenmeadows4286 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fr just got the bow last night and holy crap thing hits like a train.

  • @burtmacklin6443
    @burtmacklin6443 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Karnix all day in PvP. When it comes to realistic expectations involving gear Karnix plays best. Passives aside 11 strength is choice.

  • @NviGWarren
    @NviGWarren หลายเดือนก่อน

    Freshy recommended you to me. Subbed and liked.

  • @chrisxl5152
    @chrisxl5152 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Do you think they will balance any of the combat? I know its tab target but it really just feels like certain weapons are just flat out overpowered. The crossbow spin to win just melts everybody for example. Gs stuns are far to long... there are many glaring issues for pvp atm

    • @tyrant3191
      @tyrant3191 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      it's still too early and many players aren't good. crossbow spin to win is completely countered and destroyed by a GS/Dagger player teleporting behind them and stunning them mid spin.
      once people actually get better at the game, instead of relying on combos that only work against people who don't know what they're doing, then some balancing can come in.

    • @wintersoldier5749
      @wintersoldier5749 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Crossbow spin to win countered by a stun or simply having good ranged evasion

    • @vScpe
      @vScpe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tyrant3191what u talking about 😂😂 wtf

    • @tyrant3191
      @tyrant3191 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vScpe what part did you get lost at? I'll dumb if down for you

    • @Xceedpvp
      @Xceedpvp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All you have to do is block that spin

  • @ericmconnors529
    @ericmconnors529 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think im finally starting to fully understand all of the complex gearing in this game. I was doing my dungeon runs to get the tokens for a guaranteed weapon and for my last 4 tokens i needed i ran tyrants isle and toubleks bow dropped. I was planning to get the karnix bow but since the toubleks bow dropped im wondering if it would be better for me to use toubleks and get the laquairus daggers instead so i have 2 purple weapons. I know people say its better to stick with fully traited blues until you can tait the purples but for weapons wouldnt it be better to swap to purple for the higher base damage? I have enough materials to level 2 purple weapons to level 9. Any help or advice is greatly appriciated. Thank you.

    • @uinneS
      @uinneS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If your build is recommended or can obtain 50 str then purple is the way to go, if you're running say a dex or wisdom build with no semblance of heavy attack (general rule not including exceptions) then it might be better to hold onto a blue with traited out crit/heavy until you can get a purple with at least t1 heavy atk. That's just my opinion.
      Personally? I'd just go purple weapon anyways, but you would have to recognize at what point of the game you're at and configure your stats accordingly. For example: I'm a scout (xbox/bow), I have a karnix so my goal is 50/40/40 (Str/Dex/Per), because bow doesn't have any heavy atk passive I would want to get heavy atk on weapon IF I had traited blue but I didn't so I skipped to karnix. Hope that helps

  • @YuIivee
    @YuIivee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So how would your Global T1 PvP build for Bow/Staff look like with a Karnix? Cause rn you do Toublek/Talus for PvP and Karnix/Toublek for PvE

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its bit messy but its all here questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/WinnerOfTheVictory?build-id=163378

  • @luegaming7165
    @luegaming7165 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for me, the Cooldown difference is what makes the toublek a bit better. Being able to dish out more damage faster.

  • @TheBogLordofCasper
    @TheBogLordofCasper 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    any idea why the PvE BIS tab on your questlog page has a crazy low combat power compared to even the "early game" one?

  • @mahina0212
    @mahina0212 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    where can i see your karnix builds and other armors and where to gets, i have a hard understanding your build at questgg

  • @Lyrios25
    @Lyrios25 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I see you have melee evasion and ranged/magic evasion bis builds for pvp, but which do you prefer to run? Building both will be time intensive and expensive and im wondering if you can use the same sets in pvp as in pve

  • @oprahftwinfree
    @oprahftwinfree 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been following your guide on questlog and I had a question. Your chest piece recommends magic endurance and magic evasion. Why not ranged evasion and magic evasion? If the whole point is to stack evasion, would an extra 160 eva not make more sense than bringing your magic endurance from 0-160? Or am I just a massive noob?

  • @tonykuz
    @tonykuz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You gonna try new world out again after the update?

  • @TruePower44
    @TruePower44 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you make a Endurance build for Bow/Staff?

  • @Ryan-ux2lw
    @Ryan-ux2lw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can someone explain the deadly marker's skill spec 'bullseye'? it says it applies an additional marker to targets with deadly marker. does this mean it doubles the effect?

    • @zyfryth
      @zyfryth 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      amazon translations :D bullseye is just another stack of target condition

  • @ihlm3339
    @ihlm3339 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i was wondering about toublek or talus for staff?

    • @suwr667
      @suwr667 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      For pvp talus

  • @kaasseyy1
    @kaasseyy1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So how we progress into next level of gear ?? I’ve got +9 Toublek now almost fully traited. I guess if I wanna switch to Karnix I will just have the farm the item brand new and gear it from 0? I can’t transfer all my stat from Toublek to Karnix?
    And if next tier of gear comes out, can I transfer my +9 toublek to the new gear to be +6 like what can do rn from blue to purple ?

  • @Charlie-lx9mg
    @Charlie-lx9mg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey whelps how come Longbow of Undead Skewering instead of Farshot longbow for your Bow/Staff Blue PVP bis. Farshot has 20 more base crit hit chance and 4 perception. they both have 16m range and 0.675 att speed

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Blue is just a placeholder until purple

  • @KhulX
    @KhulX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Btw you only have the BIS builds for Bow/dagger on the link

  • @Kazex38
    @Kazex38 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you show us, how you use the keyboard hotkeys for skills and at the same time how you walk with your character and use your mouse ?
    Pls LIKE, so he sees and makes a video !

  • @Erudiri
    @Erudiri 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would you still advice Karnix for tripple endurance longbow+wand PvP Seeker build? 😮

  • @joe90209
    @joe90209 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, i am new to this game and are following ur staff/bow guide on questlog but what the difference between the staff/bow PVE early game and BIS ? because the staff/bow PVE early game has much more CP and stats compare to BIS

    • @lamp6381
      @lamp6381 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dont worry about cp. Some of the BiS gear is from world bosses so go for that when you can

    • @joe90209
      @joe90209 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lamp6381 ahh icic thx for the reply. i tot CP was more important because sometimes i see they set a quite high amount of CP requirement to enter co-op dungeon

  • @Evan-yc2zr
    @Evan-yc2zr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I wish you had tested on a doll with less than 25% health to see the passive

    • @Keyshawn13
      @Keyshawn13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No need to just do the math lol 😅

    • @blackdynamiteSJC
      @blackdynamiteSJC หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's the Staff not the Bow.

  • @JuanitO_o
    @JuanitO_o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    id argue that casting speed ( aka attackspeed) , range would be better for pvp as damage would be the same if not better, since u get more cdr with toublek u get more spells in.

  • @lemon777r
    @lemon777r 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Which bow do you think is better for pvp as bow dagger? Is it still the same? And how about staff for pvp with staff dagger? (I'm currently playing both?

    • @agoatwithnonamd
      @agoatwithnonamd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Toublek can be played for bow dagger but for staff dagger karnix because youll outrange your staff with toublek

    • @Alex-gn6ii
      @Alex-gn6ii 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      CDR for your dagger skills from toublek is really nice to have too. The dex fit also assists in stacking evasion and compliments dagger evasion passive. More alpha from karnix, but that qol from toublek is really strong

    • @sietelibraplays
      @sietelibraplays 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Alex-gn6iidoes the cdr from toublek also apply to non-longbow skills? Thought passives are only meant to work for skills that fall under the particular weapon.

  • @brahimmazighi2116
    @brahimmazighi2116 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a question I wish you answer :
    I crafted lithograph for a helmet from the npc using the drop we get from word boss ( special resistance medal) , I couldn't sell it in auction house
    After that I crafter the helmet using the lithograph, and I got bad trait :/
    I want to make new lithograph from the same helmet , can I sell the new lithograph or i can't ?
    Thank you in advance.

  • @Soulex87
    @Soulex87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    good analysis but to be a perfect test you should have moved further away with toublek to take advantage of sniper's sense. Probably Toublek would still do less damage but would narrow the gap between the two. We also have to take in account the fact that toublek's faster attack, means more autoattacks. I'd also think that toublek would shine on big pool HP target such as field bosses or higher tier dungeon etc , the bigger the 25% hp of the target, the more procs you'd get. One last thing: I'd go Toublek as Bow/Daggers and Karnix as Bow/Staff.

    • @flushfire
      @flushfire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The difference between the two with regards to sniper sense is minimal since the difference (without someone else buffing toublek's) is just 1.8m. That's a 1.62% difference at max level, and only for crits. Karnix is much better for crits anyway because of how crits work.

    • @Taylor-q2t
      @Taylor-q2t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      His stats are also bad atm with karnix you want 50 str. Now that you have 50 str from karnix giving 11 u got a whole extra maxed trait heavy attack basically. And are hitting 2x dmg twice as much as toublek bow. Which is HUGE.

  • @Dreadlyyyyy
    @Dreadlyyyyy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does the range from Karnix or Cooldown Speed from Toublek affect everything? Or just the bow moves?

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Everything

  • @Silverinsh
    @Silverinsh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, I see that your builds don't have traits. Same here builds like Staff/Bow T1 Mele Evasion, Max Range and Staff/Bow PVE BIS. Can you tell me what traits are worth setting?

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      theres no traits for PvE builds cuz traits are not needed for PvE

  • @merckoff8066
    @merckoff8066 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Question can bow & wand do high Dps in pve & pvp?

  • @user-cm1ev5iu8b
    @user-cm1ev5iu8b 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are the effects of these weapons still effective when they are switched to sub weapons?

  • @SarkNW
    @SarkNW 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whelps what do you think about staff of umbramancer and endurance build?

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      they are ok and works but im not fan of both

    • @MeistGamingChannel
      @MeistGamingChannel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would do that if you wanted a budget build. It will cost 8x cheaper to make your build with that staff and going endurance.

    • @schulzg1527
      @schulzg1527 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MeistGamingChannel can I ask why is umbra tied to endurance build?

    • @Aces-Eights
      @Aces-Eights 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MeistGamingChannel thats true thats why im doing and its kinda cheap but the thing will i be useful with that set in PvP ? 😭

  • @GabrielArnoneSEOConsultor
    @GabrielArnoneSEOConsultor 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And vs aelon??

  • @samtarioss
    @samtarioss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    grand aelon is the answer, its something inbetween both of them, with good range, good att speed, good dmg, very high hit chance

  • @EquinoXReZ
    @EquinoXReZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can I still follow your original build with toublek instead of karnix? I already got rid of the blue head piece and replaced with hood

    • @hirotakasugi4891
      @hirotakasugi4891 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Depends on your playstyle. Toublek is acrually better for Bow/staff/wanders

  • @gabrieldelazeri9105
    @gabrieldelazeri9105 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you make a build mid game for Toublek?

  • @azizrakhmonov4618
    @azizrakhmonov4618 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How you made more quick slots?? Ive got only 3

  • @damnphotoshop
    @damnphotoshop 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    PVE Karnix, PVP Toubleks. We can't just disregard Toublek's Trick passive because during PVP, 25% of a tank's HP can be considerably high, along with endurance stats being high enough to block a good amount of damage. Just some food for thought.

    • @agoatwithnonamd
      @agoatwithnonamd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If your targets endurance is high toublek passive doesnt work
      Because remember it needs under 25% hp but also it needs to be a crit.
      You dont crit high endurance targets

    • @IccyAnime
      @IccyAnime 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@agoatwithnonamd yep

    • @blackdynamiteSJC
      @blackdynamiteSJC หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is also the Staff not the bow.

    • @heyflo1
      @heyflo1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blackdynamiteSJC No it's not

    • @blackdynamiteSJC
      @blackdynamiteSJC หลายเดือนก่อน

      @heyflo1 Yea my video switched and I commented on the wrong video

  • @ace-wv3oi
    @ace-wv3oi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    heyy can I ask the rotation for Bow/Staff AoE Farm?

  • @DVJCraSh
    @DVJCraSh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hi from the chile, talus/grand Aelon? I used that combination in Korea, What do you think?

  • @19DamisS10
    @19DamisS10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank u bro for ur work :D

  • @medleystone5362
    @medleystone5362 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello! Good content as always.

  • @kromagnon33
    @kromagnon33 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always thought karnix has more range because of passive thanks for the explanation

    • @Keyshawn13
      @Keyshawn13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean you can easily tell in game that toublek has more range

    • @DerJaKo
      @DerJaKo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He answered that in the Video -_-

  • @5Nier
    @5Nier 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do you only calculate 16m from the bow? If I put on gloves and the like with + range, the calculation looks completely different, or does the 9% only count on the sheet? doesn't make any sense at all

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      because im comparing weapons not gloves and I explain how the +range stats work, they increase base on weapon range so you get more on toublek

    • @rafaelsa5416
      @rafaelsa5416 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep if you count on other range bonus then toublek gets even more range since the bonus is in % of the base.
      In really a Toublek build will have around 5m more range and you can still get the 9% from someone in your party a healer most likely

  • @Jorwen92
    @Jorwen92 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would Toublek be better for a healer because of the range and faster ability cooldown? Or still go for Karnix for more damage?

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      healer takes karnix for 11str to reach 50 str and inrease range of your party

    • @PokerPixels
      @PokerPixels 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Whelpswhat if I’m not interested for pvp and mainly do pve?

    • @flushfire
      @flushfire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PokerPixels you're not getting much out of Toublek's if you don't plan to do any pvp. Keep in mind that heals also scale off of base damage. And range isn't really all that vital in pve.

  • @richievillepalniman8076
    @richievillepalniman8076 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How much evasion do I need to avoid getting one shot?

  • @McGee2090
    @McGee2090 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So is toubleks passive only applying on auto attacks and not on skills?

    • @Agrizzz
      @Agrizzz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      skills also, but must be a crit

  • @FlameGaming44
    @FlameGaming44 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m staff dagger user but I ended up getting both todsy by accident I don’t know if I want sell them

  • @Ov3rbr3aker
    @Ov3rbr3aker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can you make guide for bow and wand?

  • @CogitohErgoSum
    @CogitohErgoSum 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whelp awesome video, great to see it put in action. 45 Base damage is much bigger than expected.

  • @Trocaz
    @Trocaz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are awesome! Great video

  • @WidadSadki
    @WidadSadki 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ah now am lost, i was planning to farm coins to craft the bow , i play wand/bow and am pretty active pvp Play, i wanted to go for karnix to stack STR, but now idk , range is also very important in pvp.
    Help

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bow/wand? karnix

  • @justinjahn8341
    @justinjahn8341 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should have tested dps. One does higher numbers but one can push out numbers faster. Would be nice to get actual dps tests.

    • @flushfire
      @flushfire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did my own since I've never found anyone that did it. Conditions as fair as possible while also playing to each other's strengths. Karnix consistently did more DPS for me, but I still ended up choosing Toublek's since the difference was not that big (around 10% by my estimation). I'm still just 2600+ so that will probably change, but I needed to decide.

  • @mystic865
    @mystic865 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So for healers Karnix is also better because more dmg = more heal right? Especially crit hit chance also increases healing power.

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For healer karnix is def better yes cuz you provide range to your party too

  • @yosribk7349
    @yosribk7349 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Am confused, u said dex increase attk speed but ingame when i increase dex attk speed goes lower...

    • @servancian
      @servancian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Aspd should be counted as "attack for every unit of time"
      That means:
      1.0 aspd is 1 attack every 1.0 seconds (you attack once every second)
      0.5 aspd is 1 attack every 0.5 seconds (you attack twice every second)
      The lower the better. Cheers

  • @realstix
    @realstix 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tell me plz. How you aoe fire dmg on sniping skill bow?

    • @timproc9355
      @timproc9355 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its Flash Wave not
      sniping.

    • @realstix
      @realstix 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@timproc9355 its wand skill?

    • @flushfire
      @flushfire 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@realstix bow skill, it's Flash Arrow with specialization

  • @brahimmazighi2116
    @brahimmazighi2116 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does attack speed afect the second weap skills?

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No

    • @Foxbane44
      @Foxbane44 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes it does, the attack apeed on my xbows lowers when i equip the trouble bow.

    • @Foxbane44
      @Foxbane44 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The dex bonus on the bow lowers attack soeed on both weapons.

  • @Tom67Slick
    @Tom67Slick 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I compared maxroll's pve gear guide to your bis build and it looks like their damage is really close to your build, the bow damage is actually higher, the staff is 20 max dmg lower but 30 min dmg higher, they use higher perception gear, can you compare their build to yours and give your opinion? ty

  • @Rayeskie27
    @Rayeskie27 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i use karnix + umbra mancer staff for a str + perception build and its really easy and cheap to build

  • @peachesandroses99
    @peachesandroses99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    off topic but that dress is so cute, was it a shop item?

    • @thuytruong3210
      @thuytruong3210 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hes on korean bro.

    • @peachesandroses99
      @peachesandroses99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thuytruong3210 ik but im asking if its gonna be on shop or smt else BRO

  • @NickNeutron
    @NickNeutron หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about Aelon ??

  • @Apaxezz
    @Apaxezz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey yo whelps... love ur content bro ! can u make a video about what is the better open world dungeons to farm ?

  • @mnopinion
    @mnopinion 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you main hand staff or bow?

    • @w4in712
      @w4in712 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Always bow 100%

  • @MrFreshFruits
    @MrFreshFruits หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for your video!

  • @ibase_TV
    @ibase_TV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    when i have karnix equippted but use a crossbow skill, will my crossbow range benefit from karnix? im bow/crossbow pve player

    • @Whelps
      @Whelps  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yes

    • @sietelibraplays
      @sietelibraplays 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Whelpsthought it only works for longbow skills? Cos you don’t use karnix for crossbow skills, but crossbow weapons?

  • @aceasbjorn
    @aceasbjorn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do what’s the better xbow

  • @DruceWillisTop
    @DruceWillisTop 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for sharing your opinion! ❤

  • @f8widescat392
    @f8widescat392 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got lucky with rng and got toublek on first chest drop. I believe it is the best bow

  • @peoul1
    @peoul1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To late for me. Im maxout toublek and didnt know there is significant damage diff for bow. And the highest atm is karnix.
    I want to build slow nuke brain dead class and karnix is i supposed to go

  • @Xiberas
    @Xiberas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you please continue this series for all commonly compared weapons Whelps! Please do this for Rex xbow vs Stormbringer xbow!

  • @marktsundokupasha9995
    @marktsundokupasha9995 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No luck with Karnix, went with Toublek love that range!!!