Brotherhood and NCR when they hear that the Enclave is still operating in some remote area: HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN!!
Doc Henry from the Enclave Remnants was a scientist specializing in canine cyber-genetics. We know he left before the oil rig was destroyed but I wonder if this research is an extension or continuation of the work he did with them decades prior.
tbh with how fallout is i wouldn't be surprised if they mopped up the blood pile and robotic parts of frank horrigan and remade him. It would be so fallout for that to happen.
@@_ThatRandomPerson_doubt they’d have time for that given the oil rig explodes very shortly after Frank dies. If they go that route, it’s more likely they had his dna available from all the experiments they did on him
No I think they need to stop being super villains who all have the same exact ideas and plans despite having no communication with each other. The Enclave doesn't need to be good, but it doesn't also need to be comically evil either. It's why I did liked fallout 3 and colonel Autumn's Enclave in a story way not like morally. It was still a pretty cutthroat and authoritarian faction but not like comically genocidal.
@@jan5558 way to deflect the argument. At best the only part of tactics that’s canon is the mid-west bos being a thing but not everything else because then they’d get in the way of the lore of new Vegas and any game set between the east and west coasts as oh shit the mid west bos has this massive empire that just so happens to include some legion territory before the legion existed.
The Enclave also incorporates business and CEO aspects. The BOS primarily has the military types. Which is a schism in itself. Both do use scientists, researchers and such.
I can see the enclave creating mutant hounds, even cyber mutant hounds using FEV research on Frank Horrigan and cyberdog research. They might also have nightkin hounds that are only possible with pure bred dogs with no radiation damage to dna and are equipped with stealth boys.
I get the idea that Buds buds might be composed of enclave agents. My guess (considering 76 lore) is that post destruction of raven rock what ever is left of the enclave and its command structure are possibly split up into smaller cells around the US (and potentially parts of Baja and Canada). I’d imagine these smaller act largely independently of one another, receiving only scant supplies/directives from whatever central command exists.
I wanted to say chicago but it could be denver since they have all those dogs, maybe they even tried to retrieve some of the old police cyberdogs that occasionally roam the city.
Caesar's Legion used Denver as a sort of "recruiting" ground for their mongrel attack dogs, so it was inside their borders. If Denver, or a facility in Denver, was controlled by the Enclave, I think we'd have heard the Legion mention it in New Vegas.
Thats my guess, that those shadowy dudes were enclave representatives watching in on the vault tecs meeting with house and the others. One of them seemingly sends barb a message on here pip boy presumably telling her to get the meeting back on track.
Have to remember: nukes fall 23rd october. 219 yrs later and still 2296 means it is november/december (show spills into 2297 during its course), so locations closer to california that have snow at that time, or locations farther away (more east) what puts Wilzig flashback naturally back to 2296 winter. Enclave base is filmed in Brookly Army Terminal, but outside there are mountains (real or cgi) showing it is not New York (closet mountains of that height would be north west near Albany)🤷@@TheHonoredMadman
I think the Enclave may send a Military Party into the Mojave. They are definitely regaining their former power, specially considering they have access to Cold Fusion (since only a small fragment was taken) Also would be the perfect opportunity to introduce Synths to the West Coast. I do believe the New Enclave we see in the Amazon series is more related to their Science Division than to their Military or Government Divisions. As such they have become something similar to the Institute, but with grander ambitions.
Love that you're covering the show it was freaking great. Did feel like a few story threads were cut short like the water chip was so excited to see that develop, regardless can't wait for season 2!!!
Another question is what happened to the NCR after Shady Sands exploded. Its never talked about in the show and the city had a shockingly small population, the other, bigger cities surely could have held it together. Yet there seems to be no functioning government at all
The movie dog comes from there maybe but you are not telling me the enclave can send dog to the past so you get one in every game. Cuz this takes place after all the games.
There have been analysis on the landscape in the background and it seems likely the enclave base in the show isnt even really on the west coast, wilzig couldve been travelling for months, theres nothing confirming those early dogmeat scenes were chronological with the rest of the story, and if anything, dogmeat took years to grow up
I had that same thought about the figures in the shadows being Enclave members. However i don't think they got the chance to carry out their plan to drop the bombs first since some vaults were incomplete thus wouldn't be useful in making money for Vault-tec.
I know in reality there are four Commonwealths, however, in fallout I don’t know if there’s any other area considered The Commonwealth other than Massachusetts specifically the Boston area.
@@DisasterUnit51 in Fallout lore the US combined states into 13 commonwealths this is why the US flag in Fallout games only has 13 stars (12 circling one central star) instead of the 50 in the real world US flag. If you want more info search for Commonwealths on the Nukapedia wiki.
I just hope they aren’t the stupidly super evil bad guys in the show next season, I want a cool representation of the enclave, they can still to bad stuff all of the factions
One thing I never got within the fallout TV show is why didn’t the enclave just hunt the scientist down and kill him the enclave doesn’t have a good track record of keeping enclave deserters alive especially when frank horrigan was around and judging by how they continuously keep coming back would suggest they have larger forces spread out across the U.S. and even within the fallout 3 game guide it describes that enclave squad sigma came from outside the capital wasteland I would assume if the enclave is still around after the events of 3 and new Vegas they would still have special forces teams within their ranks so I would think the enclave would just hunt the guy down and kill him or kidnap him
Maybe they’re entirely east coast based and they know past a certain geographical point they risk engaging with a rival faction and causing a war by going after wilzig when it is easier and cheaper just to pay a third party bounty hunter to take care of their problem. Also, maybe they had no idea about the cold fusion research and development project being done by wilzig. They obviously didn’t know about dogmeat and maybe the bounty was only because of the other enclave scientists murder and wilzigs defection from their premises. Maybe they were afraid of him trading secrets with other factions about their location and their research. It’s all speculation but I do like that they keep it vague for possible reveals in the second season
@@TurdFerguson884 yeah that’s some pretty good reasoning however they definitely tracked down people secretly during their time on the west coast they even got one of the enclave deserters and killed those deathclaws and killed those brotherhood guys who got those vertibird schismatics however I guess you can chop that down to them having more resources during the time of the oil rig and Navarro, but the enclave even when they were defeated on the west coast had the resources to make another special forces teams, the enclave is definitely secretive enough to have some fall back points or secret bunkers with manufacturing capabilities But yeah the enclave setting up a bounty for him would work too since they usually will keep quiet until they are at full strength and capabilities
Laying low and biding their time. Things tend to go wrong when they reveal themselves. Can't have brand new vertibirds dropping off troopers in shiny XT-06 armour vapourising some town, that draws the attention of meddling voault dwellers...
The enclave have a MUCH bigger role than everyone thinks, why do you think wilsig knows everything about Lucy’s vault? Because vault tec is still working with the enclave. Has never stopped
I don't really get it. The brotherhood maybe not as much, seeing as most of the Midwest and Eastern chapters generally provide enough numbers to keep them "relevant". The Enclave though, they're basically an endangered/effectively excitinct species. I see so many people hypothesizing about other bunkers and bases that really doesn't make much sense. The Enclave were a prewar shadow government. They are not some expansive segment of the US government/military. They were extremely selective, even before the war. Tech giants, CEOs, elite of the elite military personnel and staff, and select few government officials. They were the organization that pulled the strings of the most powerful aspects of the prewar US. They did not have even the brotherhood's numbers. The oil rig was HQ. I'm done with people talking about "oh it was just one of many bases, prolly not that important lol hehe". The oil rig was the last fossil fuel producing site on the planet, packed full of the most advanced hardware and assets of the prewar world. The fucking president himself lived on it. Just the rig being blown up dealt a critical blow to the Enclave. Then Navarro, their largest forward staging base, raven rock, the air field base, all crushed and exterminated. Not just for the numbers of enclave we have killed (which their weren't many to begin with), but the raw assets they have lost. The Enclave's biggest threat was their ability to continually crank out the most advanced technology in the wasteland. They damn near wiped the continent out in Fallout 2 just from their research on the oil rig. They still nearly wiped out the capital wasteland in 3 from a single bunker, and STILL had orbital strike capabilities in the DLC. From where the games left off at, the Enclave have had both their numbers and their greatest assets ground into dust. And while this is mostly head-canon, I believe if the Enclave has any last trump cards up their sleeve, they would've played them already during any of the games. They're done. They may not be utterly exterminated, but their role in the wasteland as a front-line villain is in the past. Which sucks, I loved the Enclave's narrative in Fallout. Bethesda is like the kid playing war with their action figures. They always revive their favorite character to show up at the end.
Yeah, Bethesda Fallout is always going to be stagnant with unoriginal ideas. They’d make a Fallout game set on Mars, and somehow there would be Super Mutants and the Brotherhood of Steel there.
21:30 actually, there were some testing with FEV on dogs in the Huntersville West Tek facility in Appalachia. So while I agree that the show Enclave is going with cyberdogs, mutant hounds aren't exclusively an Institute creation
Great video ! I definitely got the impression that the Enclave was also making cyber dogs. I also think the tests were probably going on for a long long time before the show which would explain that breed of dog appearing in all the games completely un-mutated. I think it stands to reason that a few of the pups manages to escape or were released for whatever reason and that’s why we see a dogmeat in every game (not the same dog just the same family/ from the same facility) Also the cybernetic stuff could explain some of dogmeats unusually cunning abilities ?
I'm not pretty sure what's the point of The enclave being in fallout 4. That game missed so many opportunities of returning a fashion or characters, in my opinion they should have returned Marcus back or anything; maybe a vault might work, but I'm pretty sure they could have much more better lore enphasis so we can understand what's coming next for the TV show. But I understand that bringing the character that was previously in the first and second game won't work.
Why would Marcus be all the way in the commonwealth? Frankly the only west coast character who could make sense is tabitha. Which it's a real shame they didn't bring her back. Imagine if in fallout 4 there was a quest where tabitha is trying to take over the super mutants but they're even more dumb than west coast second gen super mutants so it's basically impossible. I suppose one of the legion characters could have also been in fallout 4, but that's really it. That being said I do hope season 2 has some big new vegas characters. Raul, Marcus, the King at least.
Fallout 4 was a post Apocolypse Post Apocolypse with How the Minutemen fell, the Brotherhood showed up, the Institute running rampant and stomping out any hope of the commonwealth healing. Then we show up. The Fallout show is combining themes from the games, and seeing Shady Sands bombed reintroduces this theme
@t3chbr0shadow lol no its not. All those factions you mentioned hold one location with the rest being overrun by raiders, super mutants (bigger raiders) and gunners (better dressed raiders). Post Post apocalypse is fallout two where the ncr holds multiple states off map and is in a power game with vault city and new reno to take the north of california. Post Post apocalypse is fallout new vegas where its two massive civilisations facing off for control
The Enclave is a faction notorious for being everywhere. The Oil Rig is the main base and it can also safely be assumed that with how militarized the US was before the war that the Enclave is a lot bigger than most people realize. They don't have the 12 stars on their flag for no reason. I wouldn't be shocked if there were Enclave bases in nearly every part of the US, hell it's even highly theorized that due to a comms breakdown the Oil Rig crew went rogue when it came to the goals of the wider faction.
At 4:10 in the video, I’m not the best with fallout lore but I’ve seen on other videos that some vaults were made for the enclave to send the vault the all clear signal and then the enclave takes the vault for whatever uses they desire. 👍🏻
you do realize that bud's specific plans were only for the 3 vaults. 31 32 33. right? bud is also a junior vice president. and therefore would not have the power within vault-tec to "betray" the enclave. what ever that even means, considering that the goal of the enclave is exactly what they discuss in the meeting in the tv show. experiment on unsuspecting people, though the enclaves reason for doing so, is a bit different then the pitch that is being sold to these "pre war" companies here. the enclave wants the companies to experiment on vault dwellers, because they want to use the resulting research data to build a space ship. capable of sending people into the stars and colonize other planets. the vaults are meant to test an isolated population under a number of conditions the residents of the vaults do not expect. like vaults filled with people of wildly differing political believes, vaults where people are genetically modified to withstand harsh environments, not for the wasteland, but for other planets. vaults where there are unexpected "malfunctions" in critical systems, vaults that use "alternate" means of leadership. its all a grand experiment for the enclaves idea, of colonizing other planets. so they can see what might possibly happen if humans had to say, live for generations on a colony ship. or, had to be frozen for long long periods of time. unbeknownst to the companies doing the experiments who believe they are playing the great game of capitalism. rather then providing the enclave with the data they need.
Not surprising if the canon ending for fallout 4 is the brotherhood ending as Nate was a war criminal. He probably met Danse and started following every order to the end no matter how evil.
So you know how they showed the Ghouls back story? Same thing for the scientist. That's why maximus doesn't think enclave exists. Because it was 200 years prior
@@mappingshaman5280 if they were their enemy, though, I figured they would be a high priority target as the most thriving community manufactured by VT.
@@CPT85 But the enclave wasn't playing aggressively, they were trying to keep themselves hidden and then deploy a weapon to wipe out everyone at once. A direct assault on vault city would have made everyone aware of their existence and would have potentially created a coalition against them as they would have dramatically upset the balance of power in the region.
Good video. I feel the Enclave gets way too little attention within the games for being literally the oldest still active faction in the FO-Universe. Much Love
I always hated that he wasnt taken prisoner by the brotherhood. Sarah lyons makes a throway comment that he'll probably be gunned down as soon as he steps out, which is ridiculous because of the amount of intel he could provide
The country is broken into I think 13 commonwealths its old lore but it shows in a weather forecast in the show. The cleric still might've meant the local chapter
What people seem to forget is that the Enclave had an entire government, the President in F2 even says they had a congress. Meaning we only killed a faction of them on the oil rig, last time I checked the Enclave congress was not on it, add in 3 were its the same, killed the president (again), and seeing the Enclave still around makes a lot of sense to me. We only killed a small faction on the east and west coast..
@@Destroyer_V0 Hell, that, and we did annex Canada in the Fallout universe, meaning there is a lot of places the actual full force of the Enclave could be hiding, bidding there time.
This makes a lot of sense since they only have the resources to train dogs and still undergo minor fev research after almost 200 years of the same research… the only thing that makes sense is this enclave base must have been extremely isolated and probably was forced to be, they likely only some have only x01 power armour IF ANY, they could have saved all survivors from Navarro ect but might not have known anything about that or were forced not to? ect but it literally seems like it could be a pre war enclave facility everything they are doing in the show is exactly the same as was they knew back then and nothing has changed. The soldier is wearing old American military police uniform and it just seems like they are completely on their own and have little to no external resources or secret post war knowledge so are just working with what they have, this includes cold fusion btw. I was not expecting something so poor from the 2290s enclave like why are there no intelligent deathclaws like they had 50+ years ago, this time to finally master, but simple trained dogs are of importance?
Am I an idiot for thinking that can scene was pre-war when I watched it😭 I thought the reason he was able to escape was because the nukes were going off and it gave him cover
The last thing i expected from Bethesda is making Enclave a mysterious force again instead of another action figure to beef with the brotherhood of all things
I think they’re in Big MT because of the clearly subterranean facilities in a mountain range with trains I want it to be canon that the pre-war US was a lot more advanced and the world being so poor the U.S. government being the only ones able to afford it would be hoarding it and the Enclave “inherited” it all to explain their self-sufficiency. I mean their power armor is meant to be worn by everyone and even at that scale they could not afford to do that but they can and the pre-war U.S. government seemed equally capable just corrupt.
The Enclave in Fo2 (in regards of the opening) the developers only made that concept because it was the very first thing they were working on. Then they created the Enclave, they realized it didn't fit with their ideals though; they eventually was like. "Fuck it lets keep this in its cool as hell".
Still makes no sense that the NCR or the Brotherhood would allow an Enclave base in California. They relentlessly hunted them whenever they appeared. Bad move for the show for not explaining what the hell is the Enclave or how they can thrive after the oil rig blew up. But hey, this is just one of a large list of screw ups the show makes with the lore.
I still think it’s kind of a stretch to claim that the brotherhood ending is the canon ending for fallout 4…I’m still banking on the predetermined player character “Nate/Nora” ultimately siding with the Minutemen, rebuilding the Commonwealth with the start of the small settlements and bringing some form of localized government to the area. Obviously, in the settlement building feature of the game, you can add vendors which helps with the local economy, not to mention the supply lines you can establish. Overall, I think this ending makes the most sense, also I would like to believe that the player character “Nate/Nora” Establish some type of peace treaty with the brotherhood of steel and the railroad. Which the minutemen probably absorbed the railroad partially to have some form of spy network. Also allowing the brotherhood of steel to maintain control over the Boston airport and probably allowing them to maintain control of Fort strong. While Diamond City gets absorbed by the Minutemen acting as the major city and trading hub for the Commonwealth.
Something that a ton of commentators forget is that there are 13 Commonwealths in the Fallout universe. Also, it was stated, before the series even aired, that the airship that we see in the series isn't the Prydwin, but another of its type. These are important things to consider. The series could be using the same Commonwealth as that of Fallout 4, but with a west coast focus, this is highly unlikely. Also, we know that Wilsig didn't travel on foot all of the way from the east coast. It makes far less sense for people to get word from the opposite coast about something in their own backyard.
It literally says prydwin on the side of the airship in the show. The Westcoast brotherhood got orders from the eastcoast brotherhood in the only place still referred to as the commonwealth
@Jaysin412 the prydwen is 1 of 4 or 5 prewar airships that served over the skies of Alaska near the tail end of the resource war. The BOS didn't build it.
@@pinhead-u7h yoyre very wrong. They literally state in fallout 4 that the DC chapter of the brotherhood built the prydwin from the remnants of the enclave mobile base crawler, and a powerplant from a prewar aircraft carrier (likely rivet city) the plans for the prydwin being based off of prewar plans, sure. But the prydwin itself is NOT prewar. So no. The prydwin was built by the brotherhood following the broken steel dlc for fallout 3. They even say how long ot took to source all of the materials and how long it took to build it before they ventured to the commonwealth.
And undiscovered vaults, forgetting that the master existed and not to mention the cathedral. And why move the location of Shady sands, what's the point.
Definitely could’ve been from Fresno the mountains aren’t very far from there and it would probably make sense as to why they passed through so many different terrains.
Brotherhood and NCR when they hear that the Enclave is still operating in some remote area: HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN!!
Let the Enclave keep moving east until they start sharing same sentiments with the minutemen
Fallout 5: "he still wants to beat me up"
The Enclave is like hydra. You chopped one head, the others will pop up
Doc Henry from the Enclave Remnants was a scientist specializing in canine cyber-genetics. We know he left before the oil rig was destroyed but I wonder if this research is an extension or continuation of the work he did with them decades prior.
Spot on what I was saying in my comment!!!
@johnfodo4129 I was watching Oxhorns video on the Remnants a few days before watching this video and I definitely couldn't ignore that connection
Canine cyber genetics? I wonder if he worked on dogs like Rex the robo dog from fnv
@@gevix6384He stole a cyberdog when he went AWOL from Navarro
@@DippKlippGuy Navarro? What cyberdpg did he steal? In the show it looks like a regular dog.
Super specific guess, but if the Enclave is doing their FEV shit again I bet they’re trying to make another operative like Frank Horrigan.
tbh with how fallout is i wouldn't be surprised if they mopped up the blood pile and robotic parts of frank horrigan and remade him. It would be so fallout for that to happen.
@@_ThatRandomPerson_doubt they’d have time for that given the oil rig explodes very shortly after Frank dies. If they go that route, it’s more likely they had his dna available from all the experiments they did on him
@@_ThatRandomPerson_only problem is that after he was defeated and blew up, he was then vaporized in a big ol mushroom cloud
@@somgun23okay then play had stockpiles of his genetic material because he was in The Enclave for a long time
No I think they need to stop being super villains who all have the same exact ideas and plans despite having no communication with each other. The Enclave doesn't need to be good, but it doesn't also need to be comically evil either. It's why I did liked fallout 3 and colonel Autumn's Enclave in a story way not like morally. It was still a pretty cutthroat and authoritarian faction but not like comically genocidal.
The Enclave could be in Mt. Weather or Cheyenne Mountain Complex for all we know. Oh, and Chicago, of course.
@@Walter_StroudTactics being completely canon is up for debate.
@@WaffleAreCool-ur3sm anything written by Emil being canon is up for debate ....
And the biggest debater is Emils writing skills
@@jan5558 way to deflect the argument. At best the only part of tactics that’s canon is the mid-west bos being a thing but not everything else because then they’d get in the way of the lore of new Vegas and any game set between the east and west coasts as oh shit the mid west bos has this massive empire that just so happens to include some legion territory before the legion existed.
Probably mount weather since its close to Dc and there confirmed to be in chicago
The Enclave is Like the Terminator, they will be back
The Enclave also incorporates business and CEO aspects.
The BOS primarily has the military types. Which is a schism in itself.
Both do use scientists, researchers and such.
I can see the enclave creating mutant hounds, even cyber mutant hounds using FEV research on Frank Horrigan and cyberdog research. They might also have nightkin hounds that are only possible with pure bred dogs with no radiation damage to dna and are equipped with stealth boys.
I get the idea that Buds buds might be composed of enclave agents. My guess (considering 76 lore) is that post destruction of raven rock what ever is left of the enclave and its command structure are possibly split up into smaller cells around the US (and potentially parts of Baja and Canada). I’d imagine these smaller act largely independently of one another, receiving only scant supplies/directives from whatever central command exists.
My head cannon is that wilzig came from Denver
I wanted to say chicago but it could be denver since they have all those dogs, maybe they even tried to retrieve some of the old police cyberdogs that occasionally roam the city.
@@TheHonoredMadman Chicago would be really interesting actually
That's what mine is too, all the dogs plus a secret Enclave base in the Colorado mountains is just cool to me
They said that base was in the commonwealth
Caesar's Legion used Denver as a sort of "recruiting" ground for their mongrel attack dogs, so it was inside their borders. If Denver, or a facility in Denver, was controlled by the Enclave, I think we'd have heard the Legion mention it in New Vegas.
i peed my pants so i could i go home early from work , light the bong and watch this video
No amount of rads could get this information out of me
The true victors of the story have arrived: 🇺🇸
I'd prefer if the Enclave was ultimately the ones behind the bombs rather than who it's seemingly revealed to be in the show
A representative of the Enclave could of been the figure in the shadows overseeing the meeting at Vault Tec, unless I missed something.
@@KrustyBert Here's hoping🤞
Thats my guess, that those shadowy dudes were enclave representatives watching in on the vault tecs meeting with house and the others. One of them seemingly sends barb a message on here pip boy presumably telling her to get the meeting back on track.
Yk they had to changed who dropped the bombs so they wouldn’t upset the communist party of China
Except the Enclave explicitly didn't know about the bombs dropping, as we learn from the president in 2.
Just coming thru to say what upp and cheers for the vids bruh
So snowy mountains around LA.
San Gabriel mountains is the closest mountain range to LA that snows.
Great insight! Im admittedly im not too familiar with southern california lol
@@TheHonoredMadman I'm not familiar with LA either I just looked it up online :P
Have to remember: nukes fall 23rd october. 219 yrs later and still 2296 means it is november/december (show spills into 2297 during its course), so locations closer to california that have snow at that time, or locations farther away (more east) what puts Wilzig flashback naturally back to 2296 winter. Enclave base is filmed in Brookly Army Terminal, but outside there are mountains (real or cgi) showing it is not New York (closet mountains of that height would be north west near Albany)🤷@@TheHonoredMadman
I think the Enclave may send a Military Party into the Mojave.
They are definitely regaining their former power, specially considering they have access to Cold Fusion (since only a small fragment was taken)
Also would be the perfect opportunity to introduce Synths to the West Coast.
I do believe the New Enclave we see in the Amazon series is more related to their Science Division than to their Military or Government Divisions.
As such they have become something similar to the Institute, but with grander ambitions.
Love that you're covering the show it was freaking great.
Did feel like a few story threads were cut short like the water chip was so excited to see that develop, regardless can't wait for season 2!!!
I think that was more of an Easter egg.
Another question is what happened to the NCR after Shady Sands exploded. Its never talked about in the show and the city had a shockingly small population, the other, bigger cities surely could have held it together. Yet there seems to be no functioning government at all
The brotherhood directly interceps enclave communications searching for the scientist
Honestly I feel like this enclave facility is where dogmeat originated from.🐱
You might be right lmao
Isn't this a fact though? Especially in the show?
@@Darfail it’s never really confirmed or stated in the show.🐱
The movie dog comes from there maybe but you are not telling me the enclave can send dog to the past so you get one in every game. Cuz this takes place after all the games.
How does that fit with fallout 1 and 2 dogmeat?
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Fallout 76 seems missing.
There have been analysis on the landscape in the background and it seems likely the enclave base in the show isnt even really on the west coast, wilzig couldve been travelling for months, theres nothing confirming those early dogmeat scenes were chronological with the rest of the story, and if anything, dogmeat took years to grow up
Maybe it’s just incompetent writing
I'm really glad you've finally started getting out ya Fallout content!
I had that same thought about the figures in the shadows being Enclave members.
However i don't think they got the chance to carry out their plan to drop the bombs first since some vaults were incomplete thus wouldn't be useful in making money for Vault-tec.
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Yeah uhh... the commonwealth of Massachusetts isnt the only commonwealth.
I know in reality there are four Commonwealths, however, in fallout I don’t know if there’s any other area considered The Commonwealth other than Massachusetts specifically the Boston area.
@@DisasterUnit51 in Fallout lore the US combined states into 13 commonwealths this is why the US flag in Fallout games only has 13 stars (12 circling one central star) instead of the 50 in the real world US flag. If you want more info search for Commonwealths on the Nukapedia wiki.
I just hope they aren’t the stupidly super evil bad guys in the show next season, I want a cool representation of the enclave, they can still to bad stuff all of the factions
One thing I never got within the fallout TV show is why didn’t the enclave just hunt the scientist down and kill him the enclave doesn’t have a good track record of keeping enclave deserters alive especially when frank horrigan was around and judging by how they continuously keep coming back would suggest they have larger forces spread out across the U.S. and even within the fallout 3 game guide it describes that enclave squad sigma came from outside the capital wasteland I would assume if the enclave is still around after the events of 3 and new Vegas they would still have special forces teams within their ranks so I would think the enclave would just hunt the guy down and kill him or kidnap him
Because they got fucked up on the West Coast and had to stay in hiding lest they be crushed again.
Because the show has horrible writing, they didn’t even consider that fact
Maybe they’re entirely east coast based and they know past a certain geographical point they risk engaging with a rival faction and causing a war by going after wilzig when it is easier and cheaper just to pay a third party bounty hunter to take care of their problem.
Also, maybe they had no idea about the cold fusion research and development project being done by wilzig. They obviously didn’t know about dogmeat and maybe the bounty was only because of the other enclave scientists murder and wilzigs defection from their premises. Maybe they were afraid of him trading secrets with other factions about their location and their research.
It’s all speculation but I do like that they keep it vague for possible reveals in the second season
@@TurdFerguson884 yeah that’s some pretty good reasoning however they definitely tracked down people secretly during their time on the west coast they even got one of the enclave deserters and killed those deathclaws and killed those brotherhood guys who got those vertibird schismatics however I guess you can chop that down to them having more resources during the time of the oil rig and Navarro, but the enclave even when they were defeated on the west coast had the resources to make another special forces teams, the enclave is definitely secretive enough to have some fall back points or secret bunkers with manufacturing capabilities
But yeah the enclave setting up a bounty for him would work too since they usually will keep quiet until they are at full strength and capabilities
Laying low and biding their time. Things tend to go wrong when they reveal themselves. Can't have brand new vertibirds dropping off troopers in shiny XT-06 armour vapourising some town, that draws the attention of meddling voault dwellers...
The enclave have a MUCH bigger role than everyone thinks, why do you think wilsig knows everything about Lucy’s vault? Because vault tec is still working with the enclave. Has never stopped
What up is Bethesda can't seem to let the brotherhood of steel or the enclave die
They have no problem letting the NCR, New Vegas and just the west coast lore in general die though, funny that.
Literally and create a faction not half assed like the railroad or institute
I don't really get it. The brotherhood maybe not as much, seeing as most of the Midwest and Eastern chapters generally provide enough numbers to keep them "relevant".
The Enclave though, they're basically an endangered/effectively excitinct species. I see so many people hypothesizing about other bunkers and bases that really doesn't make much sense.
The Enclave were a prewar shadow government. They are not some expansive segment of the US government/military. They were extremely selective, even before the war. Tech giants, CEOs, elite of the elite military personnel and staff, and select few government officials. They were the organization that pulled the strings of the most powerful aspects of the prewar US. They did not have even the brotherhood's numbers.
The oil rig was HQ. I'm done with people talking about "oh it was just one of many bases, prolly not that important lol hehe". The oil rig was the last fossil fuel producing site on the planet, packed full of the most advanced hardware and assets of the prewar world. The fucking president himself lived on it. Just the rig being blown up dealt a critical blow to the Enclave. Then Navarro, their largest forward staging base, raven rock, the air field base, all crushed and exterminated.
Not just for the numbers of enclave we have killed (which their weren't many to begin with), but the raw assets they have lost. The Enclave's biggest threat was their ability to continually crank out the most advanced technology in the wasteland. They damn near wiped the continent out in Fallout 2 just from their research on the oil rig. They still nearly wiped out the capital wasteland in 3 from a single bunker, and STILL had orbital strike capabilities in the DLC.
From where the games left off at, the Enclave have had both their numbers and their greatest assets ground into dust. And while this is mostly head-canon, I believe if the Enclave has any last trump cards up their sleeve, they would've played them already during any of the games.
They're done. They may not be utterly exterminated, but their role in the wasteland as a front-line villain is in the past. Which sucks, I loved the Enclave's narrative in Fallout.
Bethesda is like the kid playing war with their action figures. They always revive their favorite character to show up at the end.
Obsidian tried and it probably pissed Todd off because he's like a child who needs his shiny things
Yeah, Bethesda Fallout is always going to be stagnant with unoriginal ideas. They’d make a Fallout game set on Mars, and somehow there would be Super Mutants and the Brotherhood of Steel there.
21:30 actually, there were some testing with FEV on dogs in the Huntersville West Tek facility in Appalachia. So while I agree that the show Enclave is going with cyberdogs, mutant hounds aren't exclusively an Institute creation
Great video ! I definitely got the impression that the Enclave was also making cyber dogs. I also think the tests were probably going on for a long long time before the show which would explain that breed of dog appearing in all the games completely un-mutated. I think it stands to reason that a few of the pups manages to escape or were released for whatever reason and that’s why we see a dogmeat in every game (not the same dog just the same family/ from the same facility)
Also the cybernetic stuff could explain some of dogmeats unusually cunning abilities ?
Maybe the facility we see in the show was somewhere near Denver ? Would explain the mountainous terrain and colder climate
I'm not pretty sure what's the point of The enclave being in fallout 4. That game missed so many opportunities of returning a fashion or characters, in my opinion they should have returned Marcus back or anything; maybe a vault might work, but I'm pretty sure they could have much more better lore enphasis so we can understand what's coming next for the TV show. But I understand that bringing the character that was previously in the first and second game won't work.
Why would Marcus be all the way in the commonwealth? Frankly the only west coast character who could make sense is tabitha. Which it's a real shame they didn't bring her back. Imagine if in fallout 4 there was a quest where tabitha is trying to take over the super mutants but they're even more dumb than west coast second gen super mutants so it's basically impossible.
I suppose one of the legion characters could have also been in fallout 4, but that's really it.
That being said I do hope season 2 has some big new vegas characters. Raul, Marcus, the King at least.
Fallout 4 was a post Apocolypse Post Apocolypse with How the Minutemen fell, the Brotherhood showed up, the Institute running rampant and stomping out any hope of the commonwealth healing. Then we show up. The Fallout show is combining themes from the games, and seeing Shady Sands bombed reintroduces this theme
@t3chbr0shadow lol no its not. All those factions you mentioned hold one location with the rest being overrun by raiders, super mutants (bigger raiders) and gunners (better dressed raiders). Post Post apocalypse is fallout two where the ncr holds multiple states off map and is in a power game with vault city and new reno to take the north of california. Post Post apocalypse is fallout new vegas where its two massive civilisations facing off for control
@@mappingshaman5280 Damn. Better tell people in the middle east to get over their crap cause the rest of the world isnt in the shit
The Enclave is a faction notorious for being everywhere. The Oil Rig is the main base and it can also safely be assumed that with how militarized the US was before the war that the Enclave is a lot bigger than most people realize. They don't have the 12 stars on their flag for no reason. I wouldn't be shocked if there were Enclave bases in nearly every part of the US, hell it's even highly theorized that due to a comms breakdown the Oil Rig crew went rogue when it came to the goals of the wider faction.
On thew location with the snow. There was a galaxy news event that talked about the atlas experiment causing snow in LA.
Hell yeah Honored Madman Fallout you love to see it
I think that vault tech wanted to start the war but China got there first because of the unfinished vaultes you can finde
I thought they were doing telepathic experiments. Cause the scientists are wearing headsets and the dogs are sitting and stuff without anyone talking?
In my game the Brotherhood would have to build another airship. Kaboom! 😊 the only death I regretted was the cat. My bad.😅
What about the kids 😮 the squires 😮😮
How fast do you need to be to nail JELL-O to a wall? Asked the Super Mutant... Hahaha!
YAY SOMEONE ALSO HAS A BASED T-51 OPINION
At 4:10 in the video, I’m not the best with fallout lore but I’ve seen on other videos that some vaults were made for the enclave to send the vault the all clear signal and then the enclave takes the vault for whatever uses they desire. 👍🏻
you do realize that bud's specific plans were only for the 3 vaults. 31 32 33. right? bud is also a junior vice president. and therefore would not have the power within vault-tec to "betray" the enclave. what ever that even means, considering that the goal of the enclave is exactly what they discuss in the meeting in the tv show. experiment on unsuspecting people, though the enclaves reason for doing so, is a bit different then the pitch that is being sold to these "pre war" companies here.
the enclave wants the companies to experiment on vault dwellers, because they want to use the resulting research data to build a space ship. capable of sending people into the stars and colonize other planets.
the vaults are meant to test an isolated population under a number of conditions the residents of the vaults do not expect. like vaults filled with people of wildly differing political believes, vaults where people are genetically modified to withstand harsh environments, not for the wasteland, but for other planets. vaults where there are unexpected "malfunctions" in critical systems, vaults that use "alternate" means of leadership.
its all a grand experiment for the enclaves idea, of colonizing other planets. so they can see what might possibly happen if humans had to say, live for generations on a colony ship. or, had to be frozen for long long periods of time.
unbeknownst to the companies doing the experiments who believe they are playing the great game of capitalism. rather then providing the enclave with the data they need.
Fallout is sick
Not surprising if the canon ending for fallout 4 is the brotherhood ending as Nate was a war criminal. He probably met Danse and started following every order to the end no matter how evil.
So you know how they showed the Ghouls back story? Same thing for the scientist. That's why maximus doesn't think enclave exists. Because it was 200 years prior
Other than the Enclave's existence being widespread knowledge all over the West Coast, sure.
Maximus isn't the brightest bulb on the chandelier to begin with and he spent his whole life doing grunt work on a backwater outpost up in Utah...
Loving the fallout content
Great video have you heard of rain world
I have, ive been meaning to check it out
God bless the Enclave and no one else
18:58 this is the correct pronunciation !
I shouldve went into the specifics of how you make roxxy in Big MT by splicing robobrain with dog DNA but i think i got sidetracked enough lol
4:10 I don’t think that’s the case. If Vault Tech betrayed the Enclave, why didn’t they go after Vault City in FO2?
Because they didn't need to. The FEV curling 13 would have killed them and everybody else on the planet except the enclave and people inside vaults
@@mappingshaman5280 if they were their enemy, though, I figured they would be a high priority target as the most thriving community manufactured by VT.
@@CPT85 But the enclave wasn't playing aggressively, they were trying to keep themselves hidden and then deploy a weapon to wipe out everyone at once. A direct assault on vault city would have made everyone aware of their existence and would have potentially created a coalition against them as they would have dramatically upset the balance of power in the region.
Good video. I feel the Enclave gets way too little attention within the games for being literally the oldest still active faction in the FO-Universe. Much Love
can't guess much on their current experimentation with dogs, but it's definitely eugenics as they culled individuals that didn't fit their quota
They done colonel autumn in FO3 such bad writing to be a cartoon bad guy. The capability to join the enclave should have been available.
The enclave were making there cyber dogs broski!
As always that you!
The important question is what happend to autum after fallout 3 is he dead or spare
I always hated that he wasnt taken prisoner by the brotherhood. Sarah lyons makes a throway comment that he'll probably be gunned down as soon as he steps out, which is ridiculous because of the amount of intel he could provide
@@TheHonoredMadman so where is he can you make some theory about him.
The country is broken into I think 13 commonwealths its old lore but it shows in a weather forecast in the show. The cleric still might've meant the local chapter
What people seem to forget is that the Enclave had an entire government, the President in F2 even says they had a congress. Meaning we only killed a faction of them on the oil rig, last time I checked the Enclave congress was not on it, add in 3 were its the same, killed the president (again), and seeing the Enclave still around makes a lot of sense to me. We only killed a small faction on the east and west coast..
Good bet the enclave is holed up in the actual US doomsday bunker that exists IRL. Cheyane mountain complex iirc.
@@Destroyer_V0 Hell, that, and we did annex Canada in the Fallout universe, meaning there is a lot of places the actual full force of the Enclave could be hiding, bidding there time.
This makes a lot of sense since they only have the resources to train dogs and still undergo minor fev research after almost 200 years of the same research… the only thing that makes sense is this enclave base must have been extremely isolated and probably was forced to be, they likely only some have only x01 power armour IF ANY, they could have saved all survivors from Navarro ect but might not have known anything about that or were forced not to? ect but it literally seems like it could be a pre war enclave facility everything they are doing in the show is exactly the same as was they knew back then and nothing has changed. The soldier is wearing old American military police uniform and it just seems like they are completely on their own and have little to no external resources or secret post war knowledge so are just working with what they have, this includes cold fusion btw. I was not expecting something so poor from the 2290s enclave like why are there no intelligent deathclaws like they had 50+ years ago, this time to finally master, but simple trained dogs are of importance?
Please god where is the Aldia video I’ve been waiting for months I can’t wait
I can promise that it will be next big one, im not doing anymore projects til its done
25:52 me just making infinity roxy dogs in the big mt
Am I an idiot for thinking that can scene was pre-war when I watched it😭 I thought the reason he was able to escape was because the nukes were going off and it gave him cover
As far as having a guess at where the Enclave base is in the show. Well ..somewhere in Alaska?
Person of Interest is a GREAT show man, I recommend you definitely watch it! Truly an amazing show.
The last thing i expected from Bethesda is making Enclave a mysterious force again instead of another action figure to beef with the brotherhood of all things
Wish they keep the enclave a fringe faction with much weaker military. So sick of enclave beeing the big bad guys
Noooooo BuT GovErMENt baD- fallout devs
I think they’re in Big MT because of the clearly subterranean facilities in a mountain range with trains
I want it to be canon that the pre-war US was a lot more advanced and the world being so poor the U.S. government being the only ones able to afford it would be hoarding it and the Enclave “inherited” it all to explain their self-sufficiency. I mean their power armor is meant to be worn by everyone and even at that scale they could not afford to do that but they can and the pre-war U.S. government seemed equally capable just corrupt.
The Enclave in Fo2 (in regards of the opening) the developers only made that concept because it was the very first thing they were working on. Then they created the Enclave, they realized it didn't fit with their ideals though; they eventually was like. "Fuck it lets keep this in its cool as hell".
God bless America
God bless the Enclave
Still makes no sense that the NCR or the Brotherhood would allow an Enclave base in California. They relentlessly hunted them whenever they appeared.
Bad move for the show for not explaining what the hell is the Enclave or how they can thrive after the oil rig blew up.
But hey, this is just one of a large list of screw ups the show makes with the lore.
Liam Nelson a credit to England?! Think you meant to say Ireland there pal
Malcom macdowell was the credit to england i said, unless i accidentally said neeson.
I still think it’s kind of a stretch to claim that the brotherhood ending is the canon ending for fallout 4…I’m still banking on the predetermined player character “Nate/Nora” ultimately siding with the Minutemen, rebuilding the Commonwealth with the start of the small settlements and bringing some form of localized government to the area. Obviously, in the settlement building feature of the game, you can add vendors which helps with the local economy, not to mention the supply lines you can establish. Overall, I think this ending makes the most sense, also I would like to believe that the player character “Nate/Nora” Establish some type of peace treaty with the brotherhood of steel and the railroad. Which the minutemen
probably absorbed the railroad partially to have some form of spy network. Also allowing the brotherhood of steel to maintain control over the Boston airport and probably allowing them to maintain control of Fort strong. While Diamond City gets absorbed by the Minutemen acting as the major city and trading hub for the Commonwealth.
Vault Tec fired first.
Semper Fi
Does anyone want to create a real world enclave with me? Probably easier done than said these days
Can we pleeeeeease get some good representation. I'd love it if we were a more explored faction.
God bless America
This could be MacArthur from Hearts of Iron 4: Old World Blues.
Followed because of that rip. Toke up.
NCR here sorry for the doggo 😢
Something that a ton of commentators forget is that there are 13 Commonwealths in the Fallout universe. Also, it was stated, before the series even aired, that the airship that we see in the series isn't the Prydwin, but another of its type. These are important things to consider.
The series could be using the same Commonwealth as that of Fallout 4, but with a west coast focus, this is highly unlikely. Also, we know that Wilsig didn't travel on foot all of the way from the east coast. It makes far less sense for people to get word from the opposite coast about something in their own backyard.
It literally says prydwin on the side of the airship in the show. The Westcoast brotherhood got orders from the eastcoast brotherhood in the only place still referred to as the commonwealth
Definitely the Prydwen. You don't just find another one of those😂
@@rinzler8272 they didn't find the Prydwin in the first place. They built it
@Jaysin412 the prydwen is 1 of 4 or 5 prewar airships that served over the skies of Alaska near the tail end of the resource war. The BOS didn't build it.
@@pinhead-u7h yoyre very wrong. They literally state in fallout 4 that the DC chapter of the brotherhood built the prydwin from the remnants of the enclave mobile base crawler, and a powerplant from a prewar aircraft carrier (likely rivet city) the plans for the prydwin being based off of prewar plans, sure. But the prydwin itself is NOT prewar. So no. The prydwin was built by the brotherhood following the broken steel dlc for fallout 3. They even say how long ot took to source all of the materials and how long it took to build it before they ventured to the commonwealth.
Novice Alchemist
Just another tv show lore break 🤣 a somehow undiscovered, active enclave base near california, the capital region of the ncr
And undiscovered vaults, forgetting that the master existed and not to mention the cathedral.
And why move the location of Shady sands, what's the point.
@@Jono_McKthey don’t care, and neither do fans, as long as you have 50s music and slow mo it’s fallout
ENCLAVE> EVERYONE
Yeee boi🇺🇸😎
Guys they're the bad guys, look they burn dogs... for some reason!
Biden left all the K9 in Afghanistan when he pulled out the troops and got those 13 people killed
Thin Lizzy
I think they were training them to be carriers or couriers
Yall it’s so obvious the enclave are failing so they are trying to succeed in where they failed, FEV and cyborg dogs, it’s both in our faces
PLEASE stop saying n-clave
Liam Neeson is Irish….
That opening line.. beautiful.
If anybody wants to know more that’s unknown ask me I know most of it
That next-gen Enclave update is lazy, low-effort and overpowered. Should at least be level gated, and doesn't auto-start out the vault.
🤡🍿
Spoilers from the show will just save you some time. Its so bad
I really like how power armor used to be a suit, rather than a machine you drive. I wish they kept it like that.
Show sucked.
Another sane person I see
Fallout TV show is an instant unsub
Its mainly talking about stuff from the games but its no biggie to me
Leave then lmao
@@crimsonmania6006 do you know what unsubbing is
@@vs3347 no shame in having an autism moment brother; do *_you_* know what "unsub" means? Why did you get so upset? We're all friends here
The show was awesome. Absolute stylish delight.
Definitely could’ve been from Fresno the mountains aren’t very far from there and it would probably make sense as to why they passed through so many different terrains.