Just wanted to say thanks for this great content. I've struggled with this my whole career and only at 40 finally got to a jr manager level in IT consulting vs my in company fast tracked peers getting promoted in their late 20's. They're great people, but as you described the asian american playbook didn't teach me the soft skills or helped me build the network to position myself correction for promotion.
My parents weren't tiger parents....they were simply Asian parents haha. There is a pushback against the 'more education = better life' truism as mentioned in your vid and increasingly the metric of success is 'more wealth = better life' here in South East Asia. Friends who had immigrated to developed countries have spoken bitterly about the immigrant bargain - but the chinese has always been willing to sacrifice the present for the betterment of future generations anyway. The Guardian recently had a report regarding the Hong Kongers who had fled the instability of their home country and trying to make ends meet in the UK - with a once high-income accountant resorting to driving taxis for a living. Said accountant's credentials were not recognised in the UK. Excellent content, as usual, Jon!
I also observe there to be a pushback against pursuing education for the sake of it. And yes, I've seen many people suffer from the immigrant bargain for the sake of their children. What's worse is sometimes their children doesn't appreciate the sacrifice and actually despise their parents for their lack of westernization. It can get quite sad really...
have you notice a trend of 2nd generation asian Americans returning or going overseas to Asia for work? I wonder what challenges could be there for them. I found this video searching for Morris Cheng of Taiwan Semiconductor, he had a bamboo ceiling and ultimately went back to Taiwan and found of course huge success there. I'm facing a similar choice myself
Yes absolutely. It’s a huge trend that was a big deal in a place like HK and Korea. I think it’s sort of hit a saturation point for early emigration countries (in East Asia), but the rising Asian countries (particularly in SE Asia) are going through this same trend. Judging by your surname, I think going to Vietnam is a great idea since it’s going to go through a huge boom in the coming decades.
@@DrJonTam I forgot who it was, some Asian man said that America will allow Asians to be successful in America, but America will never allow Asians to thrive in America. I was like, hmmm. That statement is quite true. I don't want to sound racist or anything, but I think whites and Jewish people want to control America and not let anyone else control it, that's why you never see Asians, even blacks, Hispanic/Latinos as CEOs or anything like that.
@@DrJonTam When I say successful, I mean having a well paying job, family, living better than most people in America. And, when I say thriving, I mean being a CEO of a big company, big business owner, working as top politician in the country, sports(such as Jeremy Lin, they treated him horribly, didn't let him play at all), any job that gives Asians power. They know Asians are smart, and if they ever let them run things in America, they would lose all control over America. If you go to Sydney, so many Asians there, because the Australian government(as well as Canada) knows that Asians make your country better(sorry, not trying to be racist towards other races or anything) Also, look at Asia, they are becoming stronger and stronger every year, this is by no means an accident, they are intelligent, hard working, and Asia will soon become the dominant region on the planet. By 2100, it's to believe that 5 out of the top 10 highest GDP countries in the world will be Asian countries. Went off topic a little bit, but yeah, basically they want to be in control of America and not let Asian control it, so they make sure Asians don't thrive in America by not giving them more important jobs.
@@jukio02 Gotcha. I don't think there's a grand racist scheme to make things difficult for Asians -- I don't think anyone has that power. However, I do believe there are natural psychological and sociological mechanisms at play that make it difficult as I've outlined in the several "bamboo ceiling" videos I've made so far.
Boosting high warmth essentially comes down to making human connections and fostering trust. Soft skills and active networking outside of simply work context will definitely help. That usually requires building cultural capital so you can connect deeper with others. I recently came across research that has shown that cultural differences in "assertiveness" is a major factor that East Asians fall behind South Asians in the Asian American category. That's another factor to consider. Link to research here: www.pnas.org/content/117/9/4590
how can you lead if your never trusted to lead. soft skills and leadership skills. I feel that even if you have those skills, it wouldn't matter. racism is racism.
Great videos, although I do believe the bamboo ceiling exists, I also wonder whether the results can simply be due to the fact that Asians may tend not to gravitate towards leadership roles ..primarily because it does not reflect some of the cultural norms they were brought up with and the degree of self expression needed in such roles in the West? Although there is a large Asian population in a workforce and only a subset are in leadership roles, are we under the assumption that they all wanted leadership roles and not selected or they simply didn’t want it...just some thoughts on my end. I’m asian and have experienced some of these effects but just wanted to be devils advocate :)
I think it's fair to say there's an element of cultural expression. For example, in China, introverted behavior is rewarded in the classroom and the workplace. On the other hand, extraversion seems to be rewarded in the West. However, that is not to be confused with the lack of ambition for leadership, rather it may be a mismatch of soft skills.
Further to this, in building trust perhaps asians have a cultural belief and upbringing in regards to vulnerability as a weakness. Because it is a seed in building trust, this may be a focal point for asians to focus on developing more specifically. People have an inherent need to feel connected, wanted and accepted. With my own experiences in the corporate world, I have the tendency to be results driven and not ask for help (believing it is a weakness), as such it may hinder trust and not fulfill a sense of feeling wanted by executives which inhibits promotional opportunities. Some things I’m working on myself is to ask for help in others especially supervisors .. my two cents
@@Mike-j1f2l Absolutely -- the culture may have a lot to do with it. And there's also the corporate culture, team culture, leadership, and the individual idiosyncrasies that we may all have. Lots of things to take into consideration.
THIS GUY shck- FOR EXAMPLE- AT THE billing dept PALCE- ON DAY 1 IF HE- AND I WISH I COULD FIND THAT CLIP- 'ken jeong lookalike gets rocked' IF HE WERE WALKING INTO THE BUILDING AND SOMEHOW 'BECAME THAT GUY' AND GOT 'ROCKED' RIGHT? AND JUST WENT IN AND THEY WERE ALL LIKE "UH SORRY WE JUST DECIDED TO ELIMATE THE ROLE GOODBYE" THE SAME NET EFFECT IN '900 POUND MAN GAINING WEIGHT' ANALOGY WOULD BE IDENTICAL THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS HE'D PROBABLY HAVE LESS SUNNKEN UNDER EYE BAGS AND IN THIS CASE LITERALLY (NOT EVEN FIGURATIVELY) WEIGHT GAINED AGAIN: EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY BAD BAD FOR 'STENCH' BAD FOR 'LIFE ON EXTREME HOLD' BAD FOR 'DIGNITY MOLESTATION' "but but in korea we habeh potbelly flab genetically unmsucular 6 year ord boy body framejeh maximum peak and then we do prastic sugidi and then boom! numboh one! michaerbroomberg ijeh 100% correct! you wirr do prastic sugidi nobody wirr ever ever know about 2010 hjairygreekdick jamiechasebank - 2022+! becaujeh when you are mastoh ceo overseeing 400 ceojeh! and! you are A-rist cerebrity going on arr these morning tark showjeh, you wirr aporigize to us becaujeh prastic sugidi on bio is arr that matterjeh! hurry up attention to detair! check inboxeh!"
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Deep. How the hell is this not all over the internet?
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Just wanted to say thanks for this great content. I've struggled with this my whole career and only at 40 finally got to a jr manager level in IT consulting vs my in company fast tracked peers getting promoted in their late 20's. They're great people, but as you described the asian american playbook didn't teach me the soft skills or helped me build the network to position myself correction for promotion.
Sorry to hear that. But yes, the problem is so real and there needs to be a greater awareness to this earlier on in one’s career.
Such a deep topic, thanks for all the material, I have a lot of reading to do but am very interested in this topic as you could imagine haha
It’s a complex and difficult issue for sure.
My parents weren't tiger parents....they were simply Asian parents haha. There is a pushback against the 'more education = better life' truism as mentioned in your vid and increasingly the metric of success is 'more wealth = better life' here in South East Asia. Friends who had immigrated to developed countries have spoken bitterly about the immigrant bargain - but the chinese has always been willing to sacrifice the present for the betterment of future generations anyway. The Guardian recently had a report regarding the Hong Kongers who had fled the instability of their home country and trying to make ends meet in the UK - with a once high-income accountant resorting to driving taxis for a living. Said accountant's credentials were not recognised in the UK. Excellent content, as usual, Jon!
I also observe there to be a pushback against pursuing education for the sake of it. And yes, I've seen many people suffer from the immigrant bargain for the sake of their children. What's worse is sometimes their children doesn't appreciate the sacrifice and actually despise their parents for their lack of westernization. It can get quite sad really...
@@DrJonTam despising their parents for their less than complete integration into western society? that's sad indeed.
@@jarrodsio those are the most extreme cases. Mostly it’s just a level of shame or embarrassment.
Amazing content dude.
Thanks!
Good Video. The stats were an eye opener. Yup that Bamboo Ceiling is an unfortunate truth. I say another 30 years for actual noticeable change.
Possibly, I think geography and sector will play a huge role in terms of the timeline.
have you notice a trend of 2nd generation asian Americans returning or going overseas to Asia for work? I wonder what challenges could be there for them. I found this video searching for Morris Cheng of Taiwan Semiconductor, he had a bamboo ceiling and ultimately went back to Taiwan and found of course huge success there. I'm facing a similar choice myself
Yes absolutely. It’s a huge trend that was a big deal in a place like HK and Korea. I think it’s sort of hit a saturation point for early emigration countries (in East Asia), but the rising Asian countries (particularly in SE Asia) are going through this same trend. Judging by your surname, I think going to Vietnam is a great idea since it’s going to go through a huge boom in the coming decades.
Great videos. I’ve been rejected for a leadership role multiple times in my career.
Sorry to hear that. Thank you for your kind words.
@@DrJonTam I forgot who it was, some Asian man said that America will allow Asians to be successful in America, but America will never allow Asians to thrive in America. I was like, hmmm. That statement is quite true. I don't want to sound racist or anything, but I think whites and Jewish people want to control America and not let anyone else control it, that's why you never see Asians, even blacks, Hispanic/Latinos as CEOs or anything like that.
@@jukio02 What do you think the difference between "successful" and "thrive" is?
@@DrJonTam When I say successful, I mean having a well paying job, family, living better than most people in America. And, when I say thriving, I mean being a CEO of a big company, big business owner, working as top politician in the country, sports(such as Jeremy Lin, they treated him horribly, didn't let him play at all), any job that gives Asians power. They know Asians are smart, and if they ever let them run things in America, they would lose all control over America. If you go to Sydney, so many Asians there, because the Australian government(as well as Canada) knows that Asians make your country better(sorry, not trying to be racist towards other races or anything) Also, look at Asia, they are becoming stronger and stronger every year, this is by no means an accident, they are intelligent, hard working, and Asia will soon become the dominant region on the planet. By 2100, it's to believe that 5 out of the top 10 highest GDP countries in the world will be Asian countries.
Went off topic a little bit, but yeah, basically they want to be in control of America and not let Asian control it, so they make sure Asians don't thrive in America by not giving them more important jobs.
@@jukio02 Gotcha. I don't think there's a grand racist scheme to make things difficult for Asians -- I don't think anyone has that power. However, I do believe there are natural psychological and sociological mechanisms at play that make it difficult as I've outlined in the several "bamboo ceiling" videos I've made so far.
Very educational! So what concrete steps can Asians do to move to "high warmth" category?
Boosting high warmth essentially comes down to making human connections and fostering trust. Soft skills and active networking outside of simply work context will definitely help. That usually requires building cultural capital so you can connect deeper with others.
I recently came across research that has shown that cultural differences in "assertiveness" is a major factor that East Asians fall behind South Asians in the Asian American category. That's another factor to consider. Link to research here: www.pnas.org/content/117/9/4590
@@DrJonTam Thank you! That is very helpful.
@@henrycharoen8572 pleasure is all mine. Let me know if any other questions pop up! 😀
how can you lead if your never trusted to lead. soft skills and leadership skills. I feel that even if you have those skills, it wouldn't matter. racism is racism.
Great videos, although I do believe the bamboo ceiling exists, I also wonder whether the results can simply be due to the fact that Asians may tend not to gravitate towards leadership roles ..primarily because it does not reflect some of the cultural norms they were brought up with and the degree of self expression needed in such roles in the West? Although there is a large Asian population in a workforce and only a subset are in leadership roles, are we under the assumption that they all wanted leadership roles and not selected or they simply didn’t want it...just some thoughts on my end. I’m asian and have experienced some of these effects but just wanted to be devils advocate :)
I think it's fair to say there's an element of cultural expression. For example, in China, introverted behavior is rewarded in the classroom and the workplace. On the other hand, extraversion seems to be rewarded in the West. However, that is not to be confused with the lack of ambition for leadership, rather it may be a mismatch of soft skills.
Further to this, in building trust perhaps asians have a cultural belief and upbringing in regards to vulnerability as a weakness. Because it is a seed in building trust, this may be a focal point for asians to focus on developing more specifically.
People have an inherent need to feel connected, wanted and accepted. With my own experiences in the corporate world, I have the tendency to be results driven and not ask for help (believing it is a weakness), as such it may hinder trust and not fulfill a sense of feeling wanted by executives which inhibits promotional opportunities. Some things I’m working on myself is to ask for help in others especially supervisors .. my two cents
@@Mike-j1f2l Absolutely -- the culture may have a lot to do with it. And there's also the corporate culture, team culture, leadership, and the individual idiosyncrasies that we may all have. Lots of things to take into consideration.
THIS GUY shck-
FOR EXAMPLE-
AT THE billing dept PALCE-
ON DAY 1 IF HE- AND I WISH I COULD FIND THAT CLIP- 'ken jeong lookalike gets rocked' IF HE WERE WALKING INTO THE BUILDING AND SOMEHOW 'BECAME THAT GUY' AND GOT 'ROCKED' RIGHT? AND JUST WENT IN AND THEY WERE ALL LIKE "UH SORRY WE JUST DECIDED TO ELIMATE THE ROLE GOODBYE"
THE SAME NET EFFECT IN '900 POUND MAN GAINING WEIGHT' ANALOGY WOULD BE IDENTICAL
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS HE'D PROBABLY HAVE LESS SUNNKEN UNDER EYE BAGS AND IN THIS CASE LITERALLY (NOT EVEN FIGURATIVELY) WEIGHT GAINED
AGAIN: EXTREMELY EXTREMELY EXTREMELY BAD
BAD FOR 'STENCH' BAD FOR 'LIFE ON EXTREME HOLD' BAD FOR 'DIGNITY MOLESTATION'
"but but in korea we habeh potbelly flab genetically unmsucular 6 year ord boy body framejeh maximum peak and then we do prastic sugidi and then boom! numboh one! michaerbroomberg ijeh 100% correct! you wirr do prastic sugidi nobody wirr ever ever know about 2010 hjairygreekdick jamiechasebank - 2022+! becaujeh when you are mastoh ceo overseeing 400 ceojeh! and! you are A-rist cerebrity going on arr these morning tark showjeh, you wirr aporigize to us becaujeh prastic sugidi on bio is arr that matterjeh! hurry up attention to detair! check inboxeh!"