NEW AUDI A3 - TIME TO CANCEL THAT Mk8 GOLF?!
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FULL AND FRANK REVIEW OF A RIGHT HAND DRIVE CAR IN THE UK
In this 100% non-sponsored video I get to grips with the new Audi A3 because after my time with the Mk8 Golf in June 2020 I was keen to see if the Audi A3 was still the more desirable car.
Thanks to Audi UK, I spent a week with this A3 1.5 TFSI S line manual which has the 1.5 TSI EVO engine from the Golf under the bonnet which features a lot of technology to make it cleaner more and efficient than the older generation of engines like the 1.4 TFSI.
The A3 is marginally more expensive (depending on Golf 8 spec) but is it worth it? Does the more agreeable exterior design and less revolutionary interior mean it can make massive in roads into Golf sales? Let's find out!
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Background info on me : I wrote for VW Driver and Audi Driver magazines from 2003-2019. I've been selling VW Group cars since 2002 as my only job. I passed my driving test in 1994 and my first car was a Polo, second was a Golf, 3rd was a Golf GTI. I have been a VWG owner ever since but work allows me to drive a lot of cars from other manufacturers to which I have an open mind but none have swayed me, yet.....
Please note the pricing quoted by VW and Audi on their configurators is a bit misleading as one appears to be on the road (VW) and Audi doesn't and I didn't notice this. However what price difference there is is £1500 max which still means the A3 is closer than you'd think.
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Only just watched this - best review of this car so far; thoroughly honest and in the end I think our opinions are the same! We have met in the middle!
The plastic (albeit still very good, let’s remember the previous standard was exceptional- we haven’t hit Kia levels yet!!) is a minor issue compared to the tech fest on show and the overall package. In fact for the money, you could argue that it is a much better rounded car than before. I’m liking the look more and more too. The new house analogy was very clever and a perfect replication of buyer tastes in 2020 and beyond.
I still believe the Golf is better value overall when you consider the kit that VW throw in for standard (fabric door bins! 🤣) compared to the Audi, although they are closer than ever on price and quality.
Also, is it just me who thinks that the air con on Golf 8 is EASIER to control with the big, bright touch buttons in front of your eyes on the screen than the small, dark (albeit physical) buttons in the A3 that are well below eye height - they all look and feel the same too so a driver surely still has to take their eyes off the road?!
Well Tom people seem be more bothered about hydraulic bonnet struts, locker under headlight switch, retention of buttons, flock lined glovebox & the glovebox having a lock all of which A3 get and Golf doesn't. Maybe this is the new premium? I say this in jest but rewatching my Golf 8 video, I didn't think the Golf dash looked worse, if anything I preferred it's cool clean minimalist line, so much so I wonder if the cars have been given the wrong dashboards! I can only assume that the A3's bigger profit margins mean that it retains content the Golf doesn't but really the big differentiator is design, the A3 gets a lot more of it, inside and out. This is actually a distinct change in what Audi stands for as they have always been relatively unfussy in their design but hewn from granite. Clearly emerging markets and changing buyer tastes have shifted this focus into more superficial areas aka "showroom appeal". With Audi making more per unit on A3 and ID3 needing a strong reception to make economic sense for VW, it really wouldn't make sense for Golf 8 to be too appealing. The relatively slab sided design of Golf 8 is going to date rapidly and I wonder if that's a deliberate move, in that its appeal will wane as VW's electric car range broadens? Whether the interior will come of age is the big question but from the off I suspect it's saved some cash by losing all the expensive switchgear and yet still manages a degree of wow factor.
volkswizard It’s funny you should say that. I showed my neighbour (Golf GTD 7.5 owner) the inside of a Golf 8 Style and her first words were ‘WOW’. It was getting dark too so the ambient lighting certainly played a part but the general configuration and flowing dash shape reminded her of Audi’s
volkswizard still important stuff though, Skoda and Seat get them but the pricier Audi and VW don’t 🤔 just because something’s touch screen and has fancy lights doesn’t make it better.
I checked an A3 S-Line 40 eTFSi after the GTE test drive. Asked if there are a top spec available in the showroom, because it was soo disappointingly cheap inside.
Ordered the GTE
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The price part as actually funny. At least here in NL. The Golf 8 with a 1.5 eTSI and Audi with the same engine might START from a similar price of around 36.000 Euros, but as you move up the range the Golf actually becomes much more value for money. For instance I got the Golf 8 1.5 eTSI DSG in 'Style' trim with the following extras:
- Rear View camera.
- DCC 9 (Adaptive dampers).
- Metallic paint (of course).
- Optional 18 inch wheels 'Bergamo'.
- Keyless access (start is standard across the range).
- Tinted rear windows.
- Some cheap 99 euro assistance extension (I think it is just park assist on top of travel assist, which is standard).
- Discover PRO (10 inch infotainment + sound system and some bits here and there).
- Winter package. (basically heated stuff).
- IQ lights (Matrix LED).
With all this my Golf is around ~40.500 Euro.
So as I wrote, the price of a Golf 'Style' with the 1.5 eTSI and a base A3 'Pro line' 35 TFSI S tronic are around 36 grand. But at this base price, the Golf actually already has the following things that the Audi does not have, but AS STANDARD. These are not options on the Golf:
- 14- way electric seats + massage and memory.
- Travel assist (ACC + lane stuff+ centering etc.). The A3 at this price doesn't even have ACC as standard, let alone lane centering.
- Blind spot monitoring.
- Ambient light, 30 color.
- 3-zone climate.
- Rear armrest + through loading.
- Rear USB ports.
- Actual back pockets on the seats. Yes this is an extra on the A3.
- Auto dimming mirrors.
- Heated and auto folding mirrors.
- Hold assist.
I have made an A3 'Pro line' 35 TFSI S tronic with the same specs as the Golf and it came to a whopping ~51.800 Euro. And that is with the fact that I couldn't even pick the following things that I do have on my Golf:
- Matrix LED,
- 18 inch wheels,
- Only electric driver seat. Not memory nor massage
- Only white ambient light not multicolor
- DCC unless it is standard and hidden from the menu. But I couldn't find it anywhere.
As a base it might compete with the Golf, but at that base price it has a lot less. Well equipped Golf = 40 grand. Well equipped A3 = 50+ grand. Large enough difference to consider the Golf over the A3. A well equipped S-Line goes more to 60 grand if you really let loose.
Watched to the end and subbed. Love the easy going approach to the review. So many other reviewers seem to want to prove something for its own sake. Love the MPG real world test and not something recorded on the testing ground when the car is being pushed hard. Keep up the good work. Thanks.
Thanks, really appreciate it :)
This guy obviously knows what he's talking about and he puts it across so well.
I don't think so, it's just his opinion. And.... he don't know how to reverse! 😂😂😂😂
Weirdly, all of these new fussy, touchscreen based interiors really highlight just how good the TT’s interior setup really is. Everything you need, nothing you don’t. And real knobs for the climate control!
Mk1 TT? Mk3 TT was bad because they deleted climate and made it manual a/c as standard. And they wonder they don't sell....
It would be nice to have the tt's interior in a less feminine car
Totally concur the TT"s interior is a masterpiece in interior design quality and simplicity. Im lucky to view this wonderful cockpit every time I step into my RS.
Ahh the TT, I still have fond memories of my first Mk1 back in 2002 - the interior was unrivaled at the time (imo) when compared to the Merc, BMWs, and other Audis. The interior kept me coming back to lead me through a 3.2 DSG, the 3.2 DSG Roadster, and then back in the last decade to an additional 225. The MkIIs, yes, I liked the first refresh....but through to the MK3 started to lose it. Anyhoo, this is not why I called, I do like the interior of this A3 - especially the integrated media panel..... it's not the annoying iPad on a dash look. I've just ordered a 40 TFSI e PHEV and think I'll be happy with my purchase.
@@willemkanon4020 TT is for less boring people though.
First time viewer, and already a great admirer of you work. I watch plenty car and bike videos, and it’s at the stage now where I can’t sit through them if it’s clear the presenter doesn’t have the knowledge and hasn’t done their prep.
Sterling work Sir!
The Golf vs VAG rivals is always fascinating. I wonder if you can still expect the high end customer experience in the dealers that Audi used to deliver? That counts for something in the overall owner experience.
I don’t know why I love this channel. But I just do! Authenticity? Accent? Expertise? It’s bloody great! 👍😉
Wow, thank you Jude, it's much appreciated 👊
Thank you for the review, Andrew. I enjoyed that and I think you made some very good points. Audi (VAG in general) are very good at distinguishing between the internal rivalry, just enough for you to see and possibly want to pay for the premium. The key touch/contact points are so well judged, the steering wheel and the slightly more supportive seats for example take it a notch above the equivalent golf. Great summary in the video, couldn’t have put it better myself.
Thanks Lee! Glad you enjoyed it. The Audi definitely, even with all the material downgrades, still has a definite premium appeal over the Golf which I guess is all it needs to have. To drive so well is simply a bonus!
Great review, thank you !!
I can't decide if i should go with the standard or sport suspension (adaptive is a no-go due to cost).
However, your comments about the sport suspension are encouraging.I'm also configuring the car with 17-inch wheels, instead of 18.
Would you say the sport suspension is comfortable enough for daily driving and road trips, if paired with 17-inch wheels ?
Excellent, as ever. Thinking about my next car and currently torn between the Golf 8 and the Audi A3. Biggest issue I have though is the ongoing problems with the 1.5 petrol engine and kangarooing, as lots of reports on this. I would go for a Automatic but would be grateful for your thoughts. Keep up with the videos as they are great
Loved the review man. Especially the useful mpg information. Picking up a saloon version edition 1 on new reg plate day but the tdi version. I hear around 70mpg is easy to attain on a mixed run so we shall soon see.
Excellent video. I’ve just ordered the same car but with the stronic, so have been viewing a few review videos. Yours is by far the best. Informative, non biased, and honest. Keep up the good work and thank you.
Glad it was helpful nicholas.
Great video 👍 I have a question though how much mpg would you expect to get with S tronic gear box is it significantly higher or equivalent as for manual gear box
The one thing I just can't get over on the new A3 is the front overhang. It is immense and so out of proportion...
Good spot Joe, yes, bonnet leading edge to front of bumper is somewhat distended. I suspect this is legislation related as per Golf 8 but at least they've avoided the slightly unhappy look of the VW
I am considering an A3 Edition 1 S Tronic for purchase early next month (December). The Edition 1 has quite a lot of added kit although I can't help but feeling a bit miffed that two things I would really miss from my current car is a reversing camera & ACC. A tad tight of Audi on that score. Great review by the way - very detailed & just what I was looking for.
Exactly my thoughts bro piss take they put it into a stupid pack which cost 1200 no need mun
Great review, having seen the interior yesterday its not as bad as many reviewers have made out. In some ways its worse, in others its better. I’ve ordered a edition 1 (black ed) in Daytona Grey. Got a pretty good deal as an existing customer and they threw in the wireless charging to seal the deal. Folding mirrors and rear camera is what the wife really wanted. I’ve got the bang & olufsen pack to keep me happy & the 19inch alloys look amazing. Looking forward to it.
Great review as per normal, not sure how it is possible to feel like a performance pack golf gti going round corners.
So does this mean you prefer it to a gti?
Great video! Love this Audi.
Did you ever consider getting a wireless lavalier microphone like the Rode Wireless Go? That's probably easier than that long cable.
It's an amazing coincidence how the steering wheel perfectly blocks the speedometer from the view of that window camera ;)
I have to agree with Marcus, I too prefer the old design compared to this newer model. I have been reading up on this R Line A3, the MK8 R Line Golf, Bmw 1 Series M Sport and Mercedes A Class AMG Line. All must have Diesel Engines. I have spent many hrs watching you tube clips on all 4 cars. I plan on buying one of these 4 cars. I can't wait to see these cars in the metal, but my plans hv been hampered because I have been on full lock down since the beginning of April as I have Pancreatic cancer and getting a test drive is a little awkward to say the least. But your reviews are very helpful. So far my buying order is Bmw 4th, Golf 8 is 3rd, and top spot is between the A Class and the A3. Oh, I currently drive VW Golf GTD 7.5 on a 67 plate with 7000 miles on the clock. I just love the torque on this car. This could be my last car so must get this right. What order would other you tube readers put them into to own. Kind regards to all car mad fans.
Carwow has just done a video on all 4, A class comes out top.
Great video again. I am still undecided on the looks for this and the mk8 Golf. Yet to see both in the flesh so will reserve judgement but your enthusiasm and video have persuaded me there is more to the A3 (& Mk8) than I first thought. The house analogy about perceived quality is a good one and clearly bears out where a lot of people’s priorities lie nowadays with any commodity. With the use of pcp perhaps people worry far less about ‘quality’
as the car only needs to last 2-3 years.
Great point re PCP and how quality is no longer so important as you never own the car, and only use it for the large part while it's under warranty. TBH I'd need to sit down with the spec sheets, option prices and a calculator to choose between Golf and A3 as I like and hate bits of both of them. But and it's a big but, if Golf is anywhere close in price, it's got to be A3 then. Glad you enjoyed it Simon and thanks for your constructive comment 👍
Nice review Andrew. Pleather seats not really a surprise from Audi TBH! Disappointed that the upcoming S3 has no power hike over the old model.
I have a September 2020 35tfsi overall fairly happy with it the biggest criticism is the road noise from the tyres but that was the same on my previous A3 regarding fuel consumption recently did a 100 mile mainly dual carriageway trip and was very surprised to get a reading of 58 mpg according to the on board computer which I thought was impressive if the computer is accurate. Good review keep up the good work.
I honestly like it, and am grateful for your honest, informative review, Andrew. I, however, don’t want the Sportback version of the A3. Any idea when the A3 will be coming over here to the US? And will you be doing a review of the A3 SEDAN? I’m definitely considering it!
Very informative and constructive and l thoroughly agree Audi need to ensure there comfort pacs are made clearer. S line models should include comfort pacs as standard even if it means increasing the price.Checking to ensure what is included can at times be confusing.
Hi, great video!
I wanted to ask for a bit of advice. I’m in two minds about which hybrid to buy. The 2 cars I’m interested in is golf gte mk8 or the Audi A3 hybrid sline
Which one do you think is better value for money and overal better spec?
Thank you 🙏
Tricky, I'm not a huge fan of that 245 PS hybrid powertrain in these cars but if it has to be one, I'd maybe go A3 as I wasn't a huge fan of the GTE as the GT badging promises a lot which it didn't deliver. I don't know the specs intimately though, but I don't think there is much in it.
I was just wondering what you ended up doing I’m in the situation stuck between the two
Which A3 aligns to a mk7.5 standard GTi? Thinking of at as a replacement as I don't like them mk8 golf. Also How does the quality match the mk7 golf?
Atleast Audi didn't screw up the styling of the A3 like VW did with the Golf 8.
That side profile is terrible - like an A Class, looks like it's been in a badly repaired shunt.
Golf 8 styling is ok, not convinced by the 'melted' look of the front end though. Golf interior looks better than the A3 too - as does the previous A3!
Don't you think they made that on purpose to put Audi as a priority for more sales?
Same as voting in poor country's. Place fake opposition just to fool people. They the same corrupt people.
@andrewmcivor42 Audi is made and belongs to VW. The only thing that's left of Audi is name and those 4 rings. It's VW car and it is shity exterior and interior. Cheaply made compared to 2019, 2020 model. Its not worth the money.
How did you find the seats? I'm a lover of fabric and have a 2016 A3 in fabric seats so to see the only option of fabric was to get the "budget" technik was a major disappointment. I've always found leather to be uncomfortable. I've seen the Edition 1 does an Alcantara leather so don't know if that is much nicer than the S Line
Hey Steven, seats are very comfy with 4 way adjustable lumbar support. No issues with whatever the seats are covered in from a comfort perspective but aesthetically the texture is very poor.
I personally love the air vents. They look awesome. Yes I want some lambo in my Audi, the other way around I wouldn’t be so pleased!
I'm always a fan of your laid back yet technical delivery! Keep it up @volkswizard!
Thanks @sulknationtv, much appreicated man👍
Só I got a 2020 Jetta SEL back in July, and after watching this video and reading articles about this car, there seems to not be much of a difference to justify the price gap. I would expect the Audi vehicle to have an engine that's more potent, but that's definitely not the case since this and the Jetta have the same hp on turbocharged engines.
Really surprised this latest gen of VAG products aren’t coming with optional dash cams. You’d think it would be an easy up sell to make a separate rear view mirror with built in camera and duel purpose screen for playback and reversing camera. Selling them across Audi, VW and co. Would mean they cost little to make with huge sales potential.
I know Citroen do it as an option
I remember this sort of cost cutting in Audi from a few years ago (could be 10+ years). It was a complete disaster as customers complained bitterly. It was reversed in the next models. Sad that VAG/Audi are repeating this mistake.
They need the money to pay Dieselgate fines
100% agree with you but I tried in the german configurators 100 times golf vs a3 and gti vs s3. Problem is the price gap with a similar equipment for the first it is 3-4K eur for the second 10K eur (44 vs 54) but maybe it is just what you mentioned that I picked some bullshit ops (just saying no dcc or mag ride, no iq led or matrix on each side)
I hear you on the vents... but they’re still waaaay better than the vents on the old A3, horrid, they WERE the dashboard! And that tacky pop up screen.. This is overall a much better design. And most importantly, it’s good to hear it drives well. Looking forward to the S3 review now 😊
Hey Stan, I hear *you* on the vents, I just feel there may have been a better solution than what we got on the new car but the routing for air behind dash must be a designer's worst nightmare. The pop-up screen is dated now (and goes wrong), the tacked on screen as per current A4 is better but still a bit clumsy but what they do well is make you appreciate how good a properly integrated screen as it is here.
I wasn't too excited about new S3 before I drove this but now I am. It's great to get the base car out of the way so when performance models surface you can just worry about the fun bit 😎
volkswizard Going back to Golf 8 for comparison purposes, the dashboard does seem less fussy. The trick is leaving an impression of quality without seeming to be trying too hard. Golfs have always done that and maybe in that regard they have the edge once again. Where does my money go when time comes to trade my 7 GTI 🤔 The jury is out...
Good review Andrew, pity about some of the materials used inside. Personally I think the interior design around the driver air vents is awful. Roll on the S3/RS3 though with the way this one already steers!!
Yes Paul! The chassis fixes a lot of the wrongs in other areas, old facelift RS3 did have a lot of potential by the time it went out of production so if they can move that on a bit then look out AMG! Maybe S3 will come to life a bit too though AWD could well make it a bit more inert than this S line even though it's bound to be faster on paper. Exciting times ahead for sure
Really good review. I have A3 etron, its impressive. Interior is more better and minimalist in previous model, which i like
Are the door bins in that Audi not flock lined? Think the ones in the Golf 8 were?
I liked the previous model design more, this is a little fussy for my taste, regardless it will sell by the bucket load. Brilliant review as always.
Thanks Marcus and thanks for commenting on the original version too, really sorry to can all that effort you guys made, never again will I use YT Editor😠
Can someone tell me pls are these wheels standard on the sline sportback 1.5 tsi
The car looks dope! Really like Audi’s styling lately. I’m fortunate to be driving the new facelifted A4 Avant, those matrix LED lights are amazing!
New A4 Avant is pretty dope too! If only the screen was integrated it would be perfect and quality of materials is on brand with that car. Matrix LEDs are probably the best option you get for £675, the cost of a metallic paint (but then £575 for Daytona is pretty good value too). Add on Comfort & Sound pack to standard S line spec and that's a hell of a car.
@@volkswizard Yep, it IS an awesome car. There were some pretty irritating problems with the MMI for the first couple of months, though...you had to re-enter your MyAudi credentials constantly and some features weren't working like they should...but that stuff is sorted now. I don't mind the screen that much, but yeah, I like the integrated screen in my 7.5 GTI just a tad better.
got the bluemotion 1.5tsi in my golf mk7 facelift 1.5tsi is probably the best engine available in any hatchback got plenty of punch more then youll need though not insanely fast and extremely economical and it also appears to be more reliable then the 1.4tsi predecessor. Must say a mega spec slightly used mk7 facelift is the best option for car buyers right now. I think since mk8 doesnt really offer a lot except for the annoying way everything is controlled via a stupid screen and the high prices on the new A3 and mk8
I bought A3 over Golf becasue of design. Same drivetrain but A3 looks much better. I must say that suspensiom on A3 is fantastic. Its like on sporty GTI.
Is the steering wheel squishy? I prefer the rounder design language of A class. I’ve noticed the A class has kind of hard seats and hard steering wheel. Also integrated headrest. Honestly I don’t care what door cards are made out of bellow armrest/handle. As long as it’s not rattling and has welted door pockets, I’m good.
Andrew I'm a little underwhelmed with the interior it seems as though it's been built to a budget, I know its going to be a large volume selling sector but could you sit in the drivers seat being constantly reminded of a early eighties Renault 5 dashboard.
It's not that bad though it seems to be more of a downgrade than Golf 8 from 7.5 but A3 was a bastion of quality inside and i wonder if the chaps at Audi AG have worked out it's not a key selling point. Maybe buyers are more concerned about how the exterior looks because more people see it and it does look good and appears to be where a lot of the effort has gone.
Dammit, I could see the video was there along with all the comments. I spent a good half hour googling thinking it was a problem with my phone. TH-cam App would continuously buffer while Chrome and Firefox got "not compatible with this device."
Still a great review.
Trust me Brett, the last 36 hours have been quite frustrating. Having done some research it's not just me that gets shafted by TH-cam editor so I'll never be using that again. Just a pity I had to find out with one of my most important videos. Thanks for persisting, hope it was worth it👍
I have a question that I could not find the answer to on here. The new A3 S-line can be bought with standard or sport suspension. The latter I understand lowers the car by 1.5 cm. Do you know which suspension was on the one you test drove on here. Thanks
Hi, I think it's safe to assume this car was on stock suspension as there as nothing listed as an extra and it sat quite high. HTH Handy Andy 👍
Very enjoyable. Many thanks. I've got a Q3 but looking at the A3 next. But how can you be annoyed at a warning that your phone is still in the car ?! It stops the low life from smashing a window to get it!
Great review!! 👍
Please test a new Seat Leon or Skoda Octavia, with unfortunately rear torsion beam...
You need to take more care with speed on corners....especially left handers which by their very nature usually offer a restricted line of sight.
One day the jogger will have nowhere to go and neither will you if there's a truck coming in the opposite direction.
My neighbour just got the mk8 golf and it’s not that bad looking I think it’s a 1.6 standard pack or whatever but I seen the new Leon that is a nice car and the a3 the golf 8 Na
The Audi is definitely a better looking car over the Golf 8 but there both seem a bit cheap on quality 🤨
Agreed, I need to see what BMW and Merc are like quality wise as in the past they have been waaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper inside than Audi and in many ways Golf too
@@volkswizard i reckon they have improved thier quality in new cars especially bmw, vag has disappointed us
Have you ever heard about the diesel gate scandal? :)
the quality of carpets in GTI mk 7 i found worse than fords, although the mk 7 is better in some ways to an 8 on use of plastics but with no lockable glove compartment on the 8 its disgraceful ! Taking the pe considering costs.
Really clear and precise review - absolutely impressive. The car on the other hand, not so much... Being a Volvo (2019) V60 driver, and my wife driving a 3 year old Volvo V50, I was looking for a replacement for the V40. With no new V40 in the making, I was looking at an A3. My thoughts where that Audi would mean elegant conservative design, made in nice materials. It doesnt really seem to be the case, unfortunately. I looked also at Golf and Series 1, even a Mercedes A. But nothing really impressed. Hmmmm....
Hi Flemming. You Danish guys always loved the Volvo! We appreciate that, even if it sometimes is hard to understand if you love driving not just transporting. The Audi quality tho has decreased while Volvo has increased (due to the Chinese money support).
Me and my mates just been talking about the golf vs a3 and the minimal price difference in similar specs.
It's maddnes the A3 is so much better looking and sound isolation was always Audi's master piece..
You would be soft in the head to choose golf over a3... Or just VW super fan ...
Bearing in mind Audi is supposed to be VW, just better, as you say you'd have to be mad to buy the VW if the price is equal even if you are a super VW fan.
Those headlights are not a nice look, the ones from 2013 ish to around 2018 were classic Audi, unfussy but beautiful and not bland like the previous gen
the back looks like the Peugeot 308. At least it looks better than the Golf 8...not sure what the VW design team were thinking
Not yet sure whether I like the new model, but I really enjoyed your review. I had a pre-facelift s-line sportback from the previous model (2014) which I really liked but I now drive an A4 Avant. When I decide to downsize I'd have another A3 sportback without question. I just think it's such a great all round package.
I've always preferred Audi over the vw variant but when it comes to the golf vs a3 I've always preferred the golf. Not anymore maybe the golf r will change that but doesn't look that way soo far. I actually like this car
Glad you like it man! Yes lets see what Golf R looks like, hope it's got some swagger this time around😎
the bigger A1 think its just as unexciting as the golf 8. current model was gorgeous except the awful dashboard nut the rest of it perfect. but wow the interior in the new one looks amazing!
I had a RS3 saloon on a 67 plate and loved the rotary air vents. For me, the way forward was the old dash with the new tech installed. I'm currently in a 2020 A1 s.line competition 40tfsi and the interior is shocking. The new style air vents are directionally poor and the lack of CD player is disgusting........(I have B and O system and full tech pack/comfort sound pack)
I have high hopes for the new RS3 otherwise Merc may get my money.
Fingers crossed for RS3! I was watching a video on new A3 saloon and the door card looked different, Alcantara in the centre section, silver flash above the speaker and this totally changed the ambience. My old RS3 had an extra cost pack which put Alcantara on the side of the centre console which made a great cabin even plusher. Think this will be a must have if they offer it on new RS3
@@volkswizard let's hope supersport seats and interior extended leather pack with alcantara stay in the option packs. No crackles and pops though
GPF have made things quiet. My 67 plate RS was much loved and an unplanned sale. Everything happens for a reason, then Covid and furlough came. The little A1 lightened my load and it is fun to chuck about. I'll be happy with another 5 pot although I loved your R8 vlogs!
I think it's a great looking car but from what I've heard the 1 series is much sportier in terms of driving so that's my pick
Its insanely different in how they drive. I was extremly disappointed when i was testing the new a3. Very boring and souless drive.. Had the previous model that felt alot more luxurious inside. This new one not that much better than the golf inside.. Bmw 1 series much more fun to drive and i think it was more quiet inside while driving. Plus the interior is far better buildquality. Idrive also a plus over the audi 👌🏻 the new Merc A class is also nice. Better to drive than the a3.
The a3 is a good allrounder.
Hate when reviewers complain about hard to use infotainment, you figure it out once & then it’s fine, you just spent thousands on your new car, take a minute to get to know it.
Hopefully that’s what I said 👍👍
Plastic window frames/surrounds were dropped in this model. WTF?? I can’t believe Audi have done this. Now you can touch external car metal when sitting in the car with door closed. Just like in Skoda or VW :) Ridiculous. These plastic surrounds were differentiating competitive advantage from Mercedes A class and BMW 1, which never had them, making car posh. Disappointing to see quality drop. Interior materials are shitty. Previous generation A3 is now pinnacle of Audi’s attention to detail.
The review is brilliant as always brother
Beautiful car, I wish I could have the use of an A3 for a couple of days >.
It's not all fun I can tell you as I have a responsibility to make this content which is very disruptive to my already busy work life but it's great to do it and read your comments so thanks 👍
No heated steering wheel right?
Can you configure the dash for conventional rev-counter and speedo? Those sweeping arc efforts fry my retinas. All very "modern" but they don't advance the state of the art.
You sure can, the Virtual Cockpit was in 'TH-cam' mode for filming (minimised speedometer just in case I slip over limit by 1mph and people start complainingm, even though GPS speedo will be showing 3 below).
Ah, right. Thanks Andrew. As you can tell I haven't had the pleasure of a VC. Where would we be without the speed nazis?
Well, the decision is easy for us here in the states because Audi isn't sending the hatchback version of the A3/S3 to the states. We get the sedan so the Golf R is looking better and better.
How's the gearshift. My wife's is exactly the same spec but the old model.
The shift from 1st to 2nd is notchy and clunky as hell and has to be shifted slowly.
Audi have told me it's how they are but it totally ruins the experience of driving the car around town..
Wish we had purchased an auto now.
Hope they have fixed the kangarooing issue that has never been rectified on the 1.5 tsi/tfsi engines.
0067jon I have a 1.4 sline 15 reg and to be honest it’s just about the best gear box I’ve ever used had the car over five years now hasn’t missed a beat
Didn’t like this new A3 I have the last one and just ordered the golf 8 r line 👍 good video anyway mate
Thanks Dave, Golf R Line does look the biz in the pics, no bad choices between those two and I prefer the Golf interior
The Audi is actually way more expensive for the same specification/kit. You made the right choice. I got a Golf 8 Style myself already. It is great car and compared to all premium rivals it just offers way more kit for the money. Though the interior is a bit less squishy I guess.
Damn, i wasnt looking at the screen when i pressed play and thought i had clicked the wrong video because i heard eubank srs voice.
Watched it all and he didn't confirm if the GOLF was being cancelled or not. What a wash out.
Surely if you are trying to compare this A3 S-Line you need to compare with a Golf 8 R-Line (not against the Style which you reviewed).... then decide?
In East EU market Audi A3 2020 still have 1.6 liter TDI 115 hp but Golf Mk8 only have 2.0 TDI 115 hp and 150 hp but only 2 liter !!!!! Probably the better choice then is to just buy gasoline 1.0 TSI with 115 hp for even less money.
Have you tired the 1.0 30 TFSI if so any good ?
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I actually like A3 alot. It has no shortcomings I dislike in Golf 8. Sadly, in my home market, A3 is 65% more expensive than similarly specced Golf(!)
Flipping hell, buy the Golf! Where is that crazy place?
Great effort put into this. Thanks, thumbs up
I wish they would keep the fake vents for the s line, they just look so cheap to me it reminds me of the honda civic type r
Can't wait for the kitchen and bathroom review!
What is happening to VAG. Their interiors are shocking IMHO. As long term Audi owner this saddens me. There should be no cheap materials in an Audi cabin and it should certainly not look like the A3. It reminds me of a Rover SD1 dashboard with extra bits screwed on. Is it down to cost cutting after diesel gate?
im looking at one of these but the diesel cant make my mind up over a golf GTD or an audi A3
Still better looking than the MK8 Golf the second time of posting. Interior cost cutting is still disapointing for a premium car. I still think the 8P 3 door is the nicest looking A3.
99 reposts later and don't think that will change 😁
Sensible every day use review, thank you.
Drove the A3 today. It’s brilliant, but far from a suitable family car.
Basically the same cars underneath. Audi has a very slightly less low-rent interior.
Mercedes and BMW are out in front.
Not necessarily what the motoring press are saying Nik, plus I don't think either of the rivals have nailed ride comfort and handling like Audi according to reviews. BMW have always had a sportier bias and Mercedes is more comfort oriented and from what I can see that's not changed with their new cars
@@volkswizard re : suspension - Oh I agree, if we are judging the cars on ride & comfort.
BMW does not handle bumps as well.
If you were disagreeing with my 'Audi has a slightly less low rent interior' comment, then I'm afraid I stand by it. Many other reviews have pointed out the Audi has some very cheap naff plastics in, and the Golf even more so, yet the new BMW 1 series and Mercedes A class are both much better quality.
I have sat in all 4, and I agree with them. I work at a main dealership, and am lucky to sample many different cars.
@@DjNikGnashers so what are you looking for in your mid range hatch back? Do you want something the drives better or something that has a higher quality plastic in the area of the interior you never look at?
@@nickspassmore Personally, I put driving dynamics and fun as my #1 priority.
I don't want to drive an expensive car which bores me, and is basically posh white goods.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just saying that from my own criteria, that is not what I look for.
#2 on my requirements is a good driving seat and position.
#3 I would look for decent quality materials, especially in the area's you 'touch' most, and as such I don't mind cheapo plastic lower trim so long as the steering wheel, and main controls feel higher quality.
I think the Audi has the nicer exterior and the golf the nicer interior. The Audi just looks a bit fussy especially the air vents. On pricing between this car and the Golf 8 I would check the extras as I suspect the level of stranded equipment on the Golf is higher so you may find yourself having to pay a fair bit more to get some of the features that are standard on the Golf 8. As for fuel efficacy I recently drove a Golf 8 1.5etsi on a 250 mile mostly motorway journey and achieved 61.4mpg at an average speed of 60mph which is pretty impressive for a petrol.
Definitely checking spec is key but the A3 gets 18s while R line Golf is 17, a 'sort of' leather will I suspect be extra on Golf too. On Golf Style there are no folding mirrors and doubt R line gains them but A3 S line has them. I can only really think of adaptive cruise that was standard on Golf Style, possibly wireless charging and App Connect (which was highly unreliable). Agreed re fuel efficiency, I did 70mph and the difference between 60 & 70 mph is quite significant so reckon the A3 non-MHEV would do similar. Correct me if I am wrong but I can't see what effect the eTSI MHEV would have on mpg at a steady speed so don't expect an awful lot of difference between that and this straight 1.5 TSI (TFSI), additional weight of MHEV system and DSG may actually be a slight negative. But whatever, either drivetrain seems to make diesel look like it's on borrowed time, in this class of car at least which I am very surprised about.
I dont like the rear lights. The front design looks abit disconnected from the rear. I like the front
On the Strength of this I have just ordered my AUDI A3 35 TFSi S Line. 20 Weeks to build I can't wait.
You got it yet,
@@cg3511 yes and it's absolutely amazing.
Keen for you to get your hands on the Mk8 GTi.
Dafuq, did I just watch Brian Cox review a car?
after this review i went for a used S3 instead of a new A3. thank you
Same mpg as my 10 plate 2.0tdi 170bhp... Interesting
Interesting & informative video, as always. I'm not sure I agree with your conclusions though - to my eyes, the exterior design of the A3 is too fussy. Those side scoops are very "Mercedes A class" (which HAS to be the ugliest car in this class, although the new BMW 1series, with the Bugs Bunny grille runs it close!).
I thought the interior of Golf 8 looked better, as did the exterior - smoother, simpler & less fussy. And, a personal thing, but I detested the look of the analogue effect dials on the dash - but that's a very subjective thing, I suppose!
If I was buying a car of this size just now, I'd go & try to get a great deal on the outgoing A3 - looks nicer, inside & out.
Having said that, I'd probably forgive most of that for the handling - very impressive, considering it's (loosely) the Audi equivalent of a Golf R-line. Looks sporty, but isn't really.
Again, great video 👍
It's all a bit subjective but I've tested the water on social media and yes there is a bit too much gilding to this S line but the overall design has gone down a lot better than Golf 8.
I prefer the interior design of Golf 8 which is more minimalist than the Audi but that comes from the removal of nearly all buttons which people generally dislike (unfairly in my opinion).
Old A3 is nice but it will look very old very soon, it didn't look massively different to the old 8P generation and car design seems to be becoming a lot braver all of sudden which will take some time to get used to but it's inevitable that we will as it's happened so many times before.
I don't think anyone has driven the new R line Golf and the Style I drove wasn't designed to be too dynamic but it showed potential and who knows Golf 8 R line might have the measure of, lots to play for yet!
@@volkswizard it IS very subjective, that's for sure! I actually don't like the "no buttons" design of the Golf 8 (but I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to techy stuff like that...). I do think the Golf 8 dash looks better than the A3 (& classier, which suprised me).
One thing I've learned is that it's always better to wait before jumping in with a brand new car - I prefer waiting until any initial flaws are ironed out & the manufacturers improve specs/deals, etc, to keep them moving.
Big thing about the A3 v Golf is also that at some point, there's going to be (probably) a Golf 8 estate, no equivalent on an A3 (& I've always disliked the A4 Avant, particularly the newer versions).
Recently bought a brand new Golf (although a 7.5 - it IS an R estate though😅) & neither the Golf 8 or the A3 review has made me regret that.
As an additional comment - and despite my slightly nitpicky comments, we've just bought a new A3! My Wife fancied changing her Up! Beats TSi, we tried a Up! GTi, which was fine but far too expensive. We looked at an Ibiza Xcellence Lux, but then decided to go for an A1 30 TFSi Sport (with a few options). Cue a visit to our local Audi dealer & buying a new (but pre built) A3 Sportback 35 TFSi with comfort & sound pack for less than a new A1 - not a huge amount more than an Up! GTi either, which kinda shocked me .. totally different car, of course (& probably not what I'd go for myself), but surprisingly affordable route into Audi ownership. The economy of the 1.5 TFSi is a big selling point, for sure.
If there was ever an S3/RS3 Avant, I'd definitely be interested, the lack of an Avant version is a bit miss for me. If there was, I'd certainly have seriously considered that over my Golf 7.5 R Estate...
Wtf... I am suffering from severe de ja vu.
Sorry about this, I try and avoid TH-cam editor like the plague but I dared to use it and it corrupted the video on Saturday morning so had to edit, render and reload it which was not ideal. On plus side is a better cleaner version so worth the effort I guess and thanks for the comment as they all help
Front end Looks like a 2020 sonata 👀
Do those horrendous conspicuous air vents have any on/off facility? I can't see any rotary wheel.
Does the mk8 golf really look that bad in real life, compared to the photos? I’m in Australia so I haven’t seen them in the flesh.
i feel like audi is going to make their front and rear bumpers all grill within 10 years
The wheels look like they're an inch too wide for the tyres. They're lost in the arches.
Does anyone know what the numbers before tfsi mean? I’ve seen it on quite a few Audi’s
It’s goes war back and used to shared with VW but they went TSI (no difference). It’s Turbo and Fully (or Fuel depending who you ask) Stratified Injection. Basically direct injection 👍
volkswizard oh no I mean the 35 before the TFSI
@@KamilJan95s Instead of engine sizes like they used to use (1.6, 2.0, etc) Audi now uses an incremental numbering nomenclature to distinguish the power output of the car. It falls into bhp power band brackets which are irrespective of engine size (you'll have to Google the bandings as I don't know), but the lower-powered variants are badged 30, then more powerful being badged 35, 40, 45 etc 👍. I think I've even bored myself writing all that.