I had a girlfriend that bought a brand new celica in the late 80's and it seemed like an ordinary passenger vehicle until I hit 140 MPH on a beer run WOW yeah I didn't mention it to her, sorry Sarah
@Viscous Shear the supra in standard form was more of a GT car in the first four generations, rather than a track car. Unless it was a really open fast circuit, like Silverstone, Monza or Imola, the celica GT-four would most likely be quicker
Better is a vague term. Better at rallying and on track, in most cases. Better at long distance high speed drives in comfort? Or better when the full performance is realized through tuning? Looks have to go to the Supra with it’s more classic proportions. The look of the GT four is all about function.
@@timomomomo969 that functionality factor alone makes the Celica GT-4 better than a Supra. Cuz', let's be honest: how many of us got lots of spare cash for tuning 2JZ? How many times a ludicrous amount of power would be a good answer on public roads? The Celica is both cheaper, more economical and more agile for most scenarios. Therefore is way better car than the Supra. Even though i have to agree that the Supra looks better.
He was saying the only way he could fit in there comfortably would be by putting the seat so far back that he would barely be able to reach the steering wheel.
@@keithw4920 Doesnt matter if watch car show in my language , english , whatever .. always the same bla bla about japanese cars , but everyone with know how about car technics , and work as mechanician in best case , knows that japanese cars from 90' are very very good cars - quality and fun to drive.
Yeah the cosworth is cheaper when you bought It brand new, but will breakdown 1 millions times, where the Celica GT4 still run fully stock 30 years later without a scratch on the inside. The real name of the Ford is, Costworst ! Always remember that ! 😂😅
My dad had the st185. Owned it for 10 years. Five of those years it spent on axle stands on the drive and another 2 years in the garage getting fixed. In total out of a decade of ownership my dad got to enjoy it for about 3 years....but they were a glorious 3 years.
@@eliaslundstedt5607 at 16 I was 6''2, ten years later still 6''2, just don't play basketball or volleyball and you may very much not grow at all any more
Yeah Clarky always was susceptible to talking shite. I always wondered how he got the job considering his lack of experience with cars/racing etc. I could be missing something here though 😅
Bs review by jc. I’m taller than him and i’ve not had any problems - so much so i’ve had mine for 24 years. Whilst watching cossies turn unto a pile of rust!
@@sperlongatours Sorry, Nowhere near . it was only 92 not 1915 I googled it for you and 850.000 is about 1.5 million today. Here.. www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=850000&year=1992.
@@sperlongatoursFinding something else that makes money such as a house doesn't take away the profiling in Mclaren small number or Ferrari one-off special cars. In fact, It is irrelevant. And you didn't say houses you just said the money improve due to inflation to a very high amount which you were wrong. Sorry to have to carry on at you. But you should have just dropped it .
The Ford is better because it has proper rear biased four wheel drive and a better chassis. It was a custom build job, shares virtually nothing with the regular Escort, was built on a separate production line from a chassis developed on the previous Sierra RS. The ST205 is a nice car and far cheaper to buy today because it just wasn't quite as good. No doubt a good classic steer today but the Escort Cosworth is a legend for good reason.....
@@Adrenadriven7 Ride quality is simply amazing. Depending if you want a super strut suspension or not. The sss is pretty stiff but amazing on the corners and the regular suspension makes the car lovely to drive. The fuel consumption looks like this ranging between the different variants of the Celica. (Driving for low consumption) 1.8: 7,4 L/100km 2.0: 8,1 L/100km GT-FOUT: 9,5 L/100km I hope it helps.
Great car the Toyota but Ford nailed the cosworths as a package and only the poor security let them down. Tales of reliability issues are bollocks because standard/stage 1 and serviced on time they rarely had issues. People forget how abused and neglected cossies were specially when they were available as low as 2500 for a half dead 2wd saph or 4-5 grand for an ok one at their lowest point!
I own a 95 Celica GT convertible and love it. It's my second Celica. My first was an 85. Convertible and when I got rid of it it had 558000 miles on it. My current 95 has 227000 so I figure I have another 270000 roughly left in her
I have a 97 gt convertible aswell which had about 195,000 whe I got it, hope it lasts as long as yours did especially with all the money I spent on body work
Clarkson would big up any Ford back then, I remember him drooling over the mk1 focus like it was the best looking car ever created.. it was like he was on their payroll
Toyota Celica 4WD Carlos Sainz 2.0l Turbo 16v 4WD Limited Edition -- This was the best Celica been produced! If you add an extra turbo boost, it is a 911 killer. Not just straight on the highway but driving the serpentine road. If you have one its worth to bring the car in front.It’s a unique and very rare car to find one in a good condition! Greats
@@life.is.to.short1414 no they're not. the entire engine shares tons of parts with the MR2. multiple vendors in the US sell the specific gen3 3sgte stuff, stocked on their shelves in the US, even OEM stuff. for the drivetrain, it shares the same parts as the older st165/st185 that were available in the US (as well as camry alltracs). the only thing you need to worry about is the super strut in front and the 8links on there. asides from that you're golden
Tengo un St 204 GT 2.2 L Del 94' importado de USA. Es simple tracción y menos potencia pero es hermoso para conducir , también otro Celica GT 2000 de 1980 . Ford? Sierra 92" gran auto.
Clarkson had always been biased to British Fords. So if he says the Toyota is 90% of it, it would have to be 130% of it. e.g. the part of the interior space is BS, you can see how bent his arms were. No mention of the plastics of the Toyota vs the Ford either, that gen of Ford was beyond terrible.
Both legendary cars now. But the Ford was £4k cheaper because it was built £4k cheaper... everything on it would break at some point. Toyota on the other hand would run for years, even decades, with just routine maintenance.
They did, the episodes are out there somewhere. I just was watching the episode on the Chrysler crossfire and Jeremy was talking about how the celica t sport was cheaper and much better after he tested it.
@@revmatchruben I mean the Gen 6 Celica. It never featured in any episodes with Jeremy James and Richard. Even the Gen 7 didn’t, the only time it was on Top Gear was for Richard Hammonds Review in the early 2000s.
cosworth wasn't really a real escort - it's based on a sierra floorpan. Celica definately better as a daily drive and affordable - cossies go for silly money now....
Toyota all the way. Celica GT4 is a sexy car. The Escort Cossie is a nice hothatch...but could get it's ass handed to it by a Civic Type R back in the day.
Not only was the Cosworth cheaper but it's also become the best automotive investment in our era! The price of the Cosworth today is thousands of pounds more than the Toyota.
The Celica is a million times better than any kind of Escort in every aspect. Clarkson should really reconsider his sayings on this video. OK I get it, you want to support your country's products but let's not be ridiculous.
There was always a lot of bias towards Euro products when compared to rival Japanese products by British car journalists. I remember it well in the nineties. Japanese offerings were usually always superior (as is the case here) but British journalists struggled to admit it.
Ford or Toyota let me think about this for a moment Ford - guaranteed to rust to death, leak oil out and water in BUT I could always trailer it to shows and get a semi on because its got an original radio thats still shite and the original spare wheel with unused tyre. Toyota - reliable from day one and still running strong all these years later and usable daily Uuuuuuuuum I can't decide
I had a girlfriend that bought a brand new
celica in the late 80's and it seemed like an ordinary passenger vehicle until I hit 140 MPH on a beer run WOW yeah I didn't mention it to her, sorry Sarah
ST205 will always be the winner in my eyes..
ST205 Everytime.!
@R A Brilliance, oftentimes, is blinding; I must admit in the case of the Celica ;)
@@sonacphotos Escort Cossies are way too expensive now, minimum is £50,000!!! I've seen a few pushing 100 Grand.
its definitely under rated
St185 and st205 undoubtly my favorite
Unpopular opinion: I think the celica st205 gt4 is better than the supra
@Viscous Shear the supra in standard form was more of a GT car in the first four generations, rather than a track car. Unless it was a really open fast circuit, like Silverstone, Monza or Imola, the celica GT-four would most likely be quicker
Gtfour vs supra is a whole diff question
Totally different purpose. Love them both for what they are
Better is a vague term. Better at rallying and on track, in most cases. Better at long distance high speed drives in comfort? Or better when the full performance is realized through tuning? Looks have to go to the Supra with it’s more classic proportions. The look of the GT four is all about function.
@@timomomomo969 that functionality factor alone makes the Celica GT-4 better than a Supra. Cuz', let's be honest: how many of us got lots of spare cash for tuning 2JZ? How many times a ludicrous amount of power would be a good answer on public roads? The Celica is both cheaper, more economical and more agile for most scenarios. Therefore is way better car than the Supra.
Even though i have to agree that the Supra looks better.
SPOILER:
80s/90s/00s - british car reviews: Ford & Vauxhall always win
not for reliability..
Same thing was happening in japanese motor shows, domestic always wins, so no wonders.
I owned a Gt4 Jdm brilliant car. Toyota all day for me performance and reliability
@R A yep Hhhhh deluded. 🤣
I want one for my first car but they're hard to find
@@chava7263 I'm 37 and have seen one in my entire life.
Says he can barely reach the steering wheel whilst his elbows are bent at nearly 90 degrees, ok Jeremy.
He always comes up with ridiculous nonsense to put down Japanese cars, more so in the old days.
That's because he owned a cosworth at the time, he was salty as fuck.
He was saying the only way he could fit in there comfortably would be by putting the seat so far back that he would barely be able to reach the steering wheel.
That’s jermey for u
@@keithw4920 Doesnt matter if watch car show in my language , english , whatever .. always the same bla bla about japanese cars , but everyone with know how about car technics , and work as mechanician in best case , knows that japanese cars from 90' are very very good cars - quality and fun to drive.
Yeah the cosworth is cheaper when you bought It brand new, but will breakdown 1 millions times, where the Celica GT4 still run fully stock 30 years later without a scratch on the inside. The real name of the Ford is, Costworst ! Always remember that ! 😂😅
Lol 😂
I have a nearly 30 year old ST185 that I daily. I can attest.
It's a 90s Celica, of course it will last.
My dad had the st185. Owned it for 10 years. Five of those years it spent on axle stands on the drive and another 2 years in the garage getting fixed. In total out of a decade of ownership my dad got to enjoy it for about 3 years....but they were a glorious 3 years.
Cars where so much cooler those days !
The most impressive thing for me was the extremely 90s bass licks 😂
Imagine if a Cossie was £4k cheaper than a GT4 now...
ST205 ! a dream car
You can import them now
@@ericksanchez7787 he probably is European so he can find a lhd one
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 who?
@@jaydenhalsall bastian Peltier
Feels like he wanted to hate it but he loved it
celica beats escort by just looking cooler
I'm 6'7" and all three variants of Gt4 and would have them again
Jesus you are tall. Question, how tall were you at like 16 years old. I myself was 6"2, and Im hoping to not grow more
@@eliaslundstedt5607 at 16 I was 6''2, ten years later still 6''2, just don't play basketball or volleyball and you may very much not grow at all any more
Yeah Clarky always was susceptible to talking shite. I always wondered how he got the job considering his lack of experience with cars/racing etc. I could be missing something here though 😅
Bs review by jc. I’m taller than him and i’ve not had any problems - so much so i’ve had mine for 24 years. Whilst watching cossies turn unto a pile of rust!
My 2010 yaris is like a patch work quilt underneath
@@spasticusautisticus44 gt4 got better love
It's a DNA thing with Fords worldwide. To rust as fast as possible.
In my eyes they are equal, both are long time dream cars for me.
I paid £2300 for an identical GT4 back in 2015, had it for 4 years, then sold it for £4,000 and went to Japan. Good times.
Wow that's quite unusual to have a car returning back to Japan.
got lucky with the door swing at the end.almost hit the celica
"Keep your McLaren " I bet a lot of people today wish they did keep them. What are they now 15 to 20 million dollars? When it was 850,000 new
@@sperlongatours Sorry, Nowhere near . it was only 92 not 1915
I googled it for you and 850.000 is about 1.5 million today. Here.. www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=850000&year=1992.
@@sperlongatours You must think the world has been in Weimar level hyperinflation since the mid 90s...
@@sperlongatoursFinding something else that makes money such as a house doesn't take away the profiling in Mclaren small number or Ferrari one-off special cars. In fact, It is irrelevant.
And you didn't say houses you just said the money improve due to inflation to a very high amount which you were wrong.
Sorry to have to carry on at you. But you should have just dropped it .
£675,000 new IIRC. Basically a million dollars in mid-90's conversion/currency.
@@R33Racer nope, I did the conversation above.
1.6 to 1.5 million depending and it's still ten fold
Hey what happened to the rest of the video when they drag race and the Celica wins
It's England, where Ford always wins.
Here's one from Japan 😀
th-cam.com/video/A8Qp41ABhE8/w-d-xo.html
@R A ok poop stain
4:57 I’m 6’2 and I fit perfect in my celica lol
You must not have a sunroof.
I’m 6’3” 225lbs and I fit perfect in mine with the sunroof. Just recline the seat a click.
He calls you guys shorty
@@ABeans07 I do have a sunroof
Clarkson is like a Trex with short arms
Celica has aged well
Sell- EE-ca
The Ford is better because it has proper rear biased four wheel drive and a better chassis. It was a custom build job, shares virtually nothing with the regular Escort, was built on a separate production line from a chassis developed on the previous Sierra RS. The ST205 is a nice car and far cheaper to buy today because it just wasn't quite as good. No doubt a good classic steer today but the Escort Cosworth is a legend for good reason.....
El St 205 también es 4wd
I own this ST205 now and I love her to bits .
Pimp :-)
@@jeffers1104 you love me really.
How's the ride quality and fuel consumption?
Congrats, it's a classic.
@@Adrenadriven7 Ride quality is simply amazing. Depending if you want a super strut suspension or not. The sss is pretty stiff but amazing on the corners and the regular suspension makes the car lovely to drive.
The fuel consumption looks like this ranging between the different variants of the Celica. (Driving for low consumption)
1.8: 7,4 L/100km
2.0: 8,1 L/100km
GT-FOUT: 9,5 L/100km
I hope it helps.
Great car the Toyota but Ford nailed the cosworths as a package and only the poor security let them down. Tales of reliability issues are bollocks because standard/stage 1 and serviced on time they rarely had issues. People forget how abused and neglected cossies were specially when they were available as low as 2500 for a half dead 2wd saph or 4-5 grand for an ok one at their lowest point!
Celica anyday 👌
I own a 95 Celica GT convertible and love it. It's my second Celica. My first was an 85. Convertible and when I got rid of it it had 558000 miles on it. My current 95 has 227000 so I figure I have another 270000 roughly left in her
I have a 97 gt convertible aswell which had about 195,000 whe I got it, hope it lasts as long as yours did especially with all the money I spent on body work
Clarkson would big up any Ford back then, I remember him drooling over the mk1 focus like it was the best looking car ever created.. it was like he was on their payroll
I remember when the focus was car of the year... over here in Canada that focus was such a piece of crap
Celica ❤️
I've driven both, I prefer the Celica
Toyota Celica 4WD Carlos Sainz
2.0l Turbo 16v 4WD Limited Edition
--
This was the best Celica been
produced!
If you add an extra turbo boost,
it is a 911 killer.
Not just straight on the highway
but driving the serpentine road.
If you have one its worth to bring the car in front.It’s a unique and very rare car to find one in a good condition!
Greats
The price of them back then.
The cossie is way more now.
God I want a Celica
Cosworth engine for me
2 of the greatest cars of all time
The Celica gt4 is still absolutely beautiful
I’m 6’5 but I have some low profile Recaro’s. No problem fitting on the inside
Dam..if they sold those gt4 in the states. Dam.ill get like 4 of them.
1994-95 models are now legal for import in the states.
@@revmatchruben yes I know but parts are hard to fine
@@life.is.to.short1414 no they're not. the entire engine shares tons of parts with the MR2. multiple vendors in the US sell the specific gen3 3sgte stuff, stocked on their shelves in the US, even OEM stuff. for the drivetrain, it shares the same parts as the older st165/st185 that were available in the US (as well as camry alltracs). the only thing you need to worry about is the super strut in front and the 8links on there. asides from that you're golden
Australia had a lot of them.
Tengo un St 204 GT 2.2 L Del 94' importado de USA. Es simple tracción y menos potencia pero es hermoso para conducir , también otro Celica GT 2000 de 1980 . Ford? Sierra 92" gran auto.
Man...we did NOT have Escorts like that...in America..
We offered bill gates €50 to come and explain and strangely he turned down our offer🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
loving the Seinfeld music.
I came for the soundtrack!
Clarkson had always been biased to British Fords. So if he says the Toyota is 90% of it, it would have to be 130% of it. e.g. the part of the interior space is BS, you can see how bent his arms were. No mention of the plastics of the Toyota vs the Ford either, that gen of Ford was beyond terrible.
I would rather a st185 gt4
Two legendary cars
Both legendary cars now. But the Ford was £4k cheaper because it was built £4k cheaper... everything on it would break at some point. Toyota on the other hand would run for years, even decades, with just routine maintenance.
And nowadays Cosworth ended up being storaged/in museums and celica on scrapyards 😁
That Honda looks like a Cobra from Elite
Does anyone know the song when he gets in the celica?
Cossie looks wrong without the spoiler
I always wonder why they never did use the Celica in any newer top gear episodes.
They did, the episodes are out there somewhere. I just was watching the episode on the Chrysler crossfire and Jeremy was talking about how the celica t sport was cheaper and much better after he tested it.
@@revmatchruben I mean the Gen 6 Celica. It never featured in any episodes with Jeremy James and Richard. Even the Gen 7 didn’t, the only time it was on Top Gear was for Richard Hammonds Review in the early 2000s.
nevermind, his review wasn’t even ON top gear, it was Men and Motors, my bad. It really wasn’t featured at all!
@@JReiid I do believe it was featured at some point back in the day, it’s just not posted on the internet.
@@JReiid even motorweek has not posted the gen 6 convertible review but I have access to it in very low quality on an unknown website
cosworth wasn't really a real escort - it's based on a sierra floorpan. Celica definately better as a daily drive and affordable - cossies go for silly money now....
A celica with 100,000 miles is $20,000 + now . Ridiculous.
@@Wolfcone you can get those for 400.000 yen in japan with 70k-80k miles
“If you’re kind of a shortie, stick around”
Me: 😠 bitch…
That's old, old Top Gear.
That Honda is still on the road
what season and episode was this?
Toyota all the way. Celica GT4 is a sexy car. The Escort Cossie is a nice hothatch...but could get it's ass handed to it by a Civic Type R back in the day.
Not only was the Cosworth cheaper but it's also become the best automotive investment in our era! The price of the Cosworth today is thousands of pounds more than the Toyota.
You can have about 8 Celica GT4's for the price of 1 Escort Cosworth
@@YegoYTP Exactly 👍🏼 And probably some left over for a holiday in dubai lol
Gary put your wing back on, the Cesspool GT is cheating.
I just run the numbers in the bank of England inflation calculator and that gt4 is £60k in today's money!!!!
Mitsubishi really killed these models off
They needed a Stig to put the Ford to shame
Celica all day takes a bad beating
I like the Ford better, personally
Celiac nice stylish
Escorts a box
I wud always choose the RS Cosworth over a TRD Silly Car
Celica light clutch light gear change super reliable better build quality less likely to get nicked
Cela jest najlepsza !
All I hear is Alan Partridge 😂
it's gt-four not gt4
Yer fords cheaper kinda wonder which ones more reliable tho. N that saves money.
both are my dream cars but since the escort is 80k or less gotta have the celica
Cossie all day long for please. I like the St205 but would rather an ST185
toyoter "seleeka" sounds like some hoodrat in the projects
Jeez, these days the celica is $20,000 whereas the escort is $50,000+
wow are the escorts worth that much a good investment when new
Both are fantastic, I'd go with the Ford as it's a COSSIE, the engine is too famous to ignore 😄
I remember this
If I’m correct clarkeson owned a Ford so his biased opinion is shining through
I thought nobody liked this escort
Can't believe they replaced this with the god awful focus
When Jeremy was just a guy.....
The Celica is a million times better than any kind of Escort in every aspect. Clarkson should really reconsider his sayings on this video. OK I get it, you want to support your country's products but let's not be ridiculous.
He liked it so much he bought one. But really it's not that english. It's made in germany by an American owned firm...
The only Japanese car he liked was the Ep3 Civic Type R and that was because he didn't like the Fn2. 🙉👌🏿
The celica is good, hell I like it more than the supra but that escort rs cosworth is a force to be recond with they're both legendary rally cars
There was always a lot of bias towards Euro products when compared to rival Japanese products by British car journalists. I remember it well in the nineties. Japanese offerings were usually always superior (as is the case here) but British journalists struggled to admit it.
@@jdmguy44 Totally but totally correct my friend. You couldn't have said it better.
GT4 all day long.
Ford or Toyota let me think about this for a moment
Ford - guaranteed to rust to death, leak oil out and water in BUT I could always trailer it to shows and get a semi on because its got an original radio thats still shite and the original spare wheel with unused tyre.
Toyota - reliable from day one and still running strong all these years later and usable daily
Uuuuuuuuum I can't decide
Investment wise tho the cossie mega trumps the gt4 by about 6 times the value so a no brainer really
Toyita Celeeca
He is english of course hi like coswort , but Celica is beter
Toyota “Seleeka “
That’s correct !
It's only Americans that say it as sell-icka, always sounds weird.
My dumb self thought the thumbnail was a Bentley Continental GT at first glance
What a load of nonsense this guy be coming up with when it comes to Japanese cars.
Scotty kilmer
Total bellend even then
Takes one to know one
Oooo listen to her!