17:20 Tobirama Is Talking All True, He Might Of Not The Biggest Fan Of The Uchiha, But He Did His Own Bit Of Research, He Literally Explained About Deep Their Emotions Are, The Special Chakra The Brain Releases And How The Regular Sharingan Is Even Awakened, So His Explaining Isnt A Hollow Explaniation, He Has Knowledge And Examples Such As Madara Himself
tobirama was right. it might come off like he was racist, but he had the logical, unemotional assesment of the uchihas. he knew their powers grew with hate, and they seek more hate to get even stronger. he saw what madara can do when they reach their peak. can't blame the dude protecting the village. if you had a group of people who are unstable like the uchihas, you'd be very wary of them too. its like this new societies building up. when it was "patriarchal" as feminists would say it, society had a strong, solid order and most things was done through logical decisions. now that we're more feminine.. more in tune with emotions and prioritize them, we have a more disordered society, more factions, more conservative vs liberal, man vs woman, gay vs straight, race vs race, more quarrel of this over that, more drama, etc. you even have people calling pedophiles "minor attractive person", people saying prisoners must be called "person deprived of liberty", gender pronouns issues and all that. you can't run a society pleasing everyones feelings.
he was wrong. if it's all about hatred, then making their lives difficult and festering their hatred is exactly the kind of thing that would create the next madara. he was blinded by his hatred from the war days and due to his racism was completely convinced that they were evil and will always be evil, and that the best thing to do is to eradicate them, instead of just live with them peacefully. the whole feminine patriarchal comments... none of that have anything to do with why conflict exists lol. shinobis have killed each other ceaselessly in the war days, which were patriarchal. their lifespans barely reached 30, and if u consider human history it's the same with the world wars and such where nobody cared about each other and just killed each other for profit or honour. the world of the shinobi got better because Hashirama cared about people and created a better world where people can care about each other. tobirama's hatred made it worse, his new jutsus were used for evil. idk how u even thought to include feminism into a commentary about naruto, but if that was an argument at all, you must realise that men are not logical, tobirama was simply paranoid beyond reason. yes we can absolutely blame him. Konoha and peace on the planet happened bc hashirama rose above those feelings of hatred and paranoia and established peace. tobirama couldn't do that because of his emotions and hatred, and bc of that his followers followed in his ways and ended up in the death of a whole clan. being cruel is not being logical.
I agree . A realist charactar in a world where the only right way is the idealism one . And he the most complete hokage he got style and intelegnce and powerful as well and his personality has its charm in way very funny seeing his reactions 🤣 . But a lot call him raceist because he is savage and says what he thinks and dosen't kiss asses . And putting all the blame on him for the uchiha massacre and on danzo forgetting that madara and obito and uchiha themselves has a responsbility on that as well .
Glad you finally got to meet my GOAT Hashirama 😀. Don't write off Tobirama so soon though. He wasn't heartless, but he lived in a world where people made decisions with their hearts instead of their brains. He's easily the most intelligent of all hokages, and you have to admit that in the big picture...he was right. He had to consider the lives of everyone in the village, not just the Uchiha. Even the chance that they could turn with no warning was a massive danger to the village.
You said Tobirama lacked the understanding of the Uchiha when in reality he's the most knowledgeable one. You literally pretend like you didn't see Sasuke in the summit arc where he kept finding reasons to advenge something.
Everyone just roles with the narrative that tobirama was a racist instead of coming the the realization that the uchihas lacked the ability to put the village and the interest of everyone in it above their clan
@@ila83 kid even in the feking anime it’s stated tobirama💩 was racist. The exact point of the coup was because of tobirama made them outcasts when literally they are the one’s who found the village.And y did third hokage moved uchihas to outside the village cuz madara/obito realised 9 tails when the information was literally classified which only Naruto’s parents and third hokage knew. And why the people started blaming the uchihas cuz tobiramas influence . They lacked to put interest of village’s first?wtf kid u didn’t even watch the show . The uchihas literally made madara a outcast and no uchihas gone alone with him even though he said the like of tobirama brings to the civil war
@@resalmathew3707 tobirama was the one who stopped inbreeding among the senju to strengthen the village as a whole the uchiha didn’t want equality they wanted power … who caused naruto parents to die and the nine (9) tails to attack the leaf ??… AN UCHIA who influenced said uchia to attack the leaf ?? Again AN UCHIA .. tobirama clearly stated he made the UCHIA police force because their powers suited such duties … tobirama created the academy , ninja ranking systems (genin , chunin and jonin) he was the one who offered the tail beats that the leaf collected at a price to other nations to ensure the sustainability and growth of the leaf for future generations …. He POLITICALY Was THE BEST HOKAGE just say you know nothing of how running a nation works
@@ila83 orochimaru himself stated that he made uchihas police force cuz he didn’t trust them . Have u not seen where madara and hashirama talking about building a village , schools for kids etc…. U didn’t know cuz u r a blind fan boy and u didn’t even watched the show 🤣🤡
How can you see Obito, Madara and Sasuke turn out this way and not see where the 2nd is coming from? The Uchiha are very unpredictable. All it takes is one loss and they go berserk. Naruto lost Jiraiya and didn't decide ti end the world. All I'm saying is that the 2nd reasoning was sound. But his plan didn't work out the way he had intended. It backfired. No one is perfect. Even the 1st was not perfect. Tired of hearing people call him a racist when the Uchiha clan were a warring clan who killed countless people.
@@jonathanresurreccion2995 exactly. The Uchiha is a messed up clan. While I sympathize with Madara, people fail to mention that he could have tried to look past Tobirama's beliefs and tried to guide and convince people that the Uchiha could be trusted. Madara manifested the very same things he hoped wouldn't happen by his actions.
@@jjmeteor Madara felt superiority and privileged...He felt like he doesn't want to do any of those things cause he felt that it will lower himself...His hubris and paranoia were his downfall.
These dead kages are only allowed to partake because of Sasuke's maturity to hear them out. Everything these kages do from here on out is just 2nd order effect of Sasuke's decision which includes joining the war and enabling Naruto to meet his Dad again..etc. Sasuke could've easily got the information he wanted from them without even restoring their personalities. Watch your dumb mouth b1tch.
Power rankings are weird. It's said several times that Hiruzen is the strongest Kage, sometimes it's Minato. It's useless to make power rankings in anime. Everyone is the strongest when mangaka wants them to be
Following main strain opinions of the second hokage isn’t good … he was by far the best and most realistic hokage … madara was a man even when they entered the treaty still attacked and tried to destroy Konoha numerous of time … the second hokage didn’t hate the uchiha he simply stated that they put that clans interest above the villages and that’s where his distain for them came from… p.s keep up the good work 👍🏾
17:20 Tobirama Is Talking All True, He Might Of Not The Biggest Fan Of The Uchiha, But He Did His Own Bit Of Research, He Literally Explained About Deep Their Emotions Are, The Special Chakra The Brain Releases And How The Regular Sharingan Is Even Awakened, So His Explaining Isnt A Hollow Explaniation, He Has Knowledge And Examples Such As Madara Himself
and it was a biological explanation, it wasn't just the theory of a religious
When you realize Hashirama was the one who created the Final Valley with one technique on his own
Sasuke: I have the eternal mangekyo so you must fear me
Tobirama: Another uchiha's with that evil eyes, i must kill them all
tobirama was right. it might come off like he was racist, but he had the logical, unemotional assesment of the uchihas. he knew their powers grew with hate, and they seek more hate to get even stronger. he saw what madara can do when they reach their peak. can't blame the dude protecting the village. if you had a group of people who are unstable like the uchihas, you'd be very wary of them too.
its like this new societies building up. when it was "patriarchal" as feminists would say it, society had a strong, solid order and most things was done through logical decisions.
now that we're more feminine.. more in tune with emotions and prioritize them, we have a more disordered society, more factions, more conservative vs liberal, man vs woman, gay vs straight, race vs race, more quarrel of this over that, more drama, etc. you even have people calling pedophiles "minor attractive person", people saying prisoners must be called "person deprived of liberty", gender pronouns issues and all that.
you can't run a society pleasing everyones feelings.
he was wrong. if it's all about hatred, then making their lives difficult and festering their hatred is exactly the kind of thing that would create the next madara. he was blinded by his hatred from the war days and due to his racism was completely convinced that they were evil and will always be evil, and that the best thing to do is to eradicate them, instead of just live with them peacefully.
the whole feminine patriarchal comments... none of that have anything to do with why conflict exists lol. shinobis have killed each other ceaselessly in the war days, which were patriarchal. their lifespans barely reached 30, and if u consider human history it's the same with the world wars and such where nobody cared about each other and just killed each other for profit or honour. the world of the shinobi got better because Hashirama cared about people and created a better world where people can care about each other. tobirama's hatred made it worse, his new jutsus were used for evil. idk how u even thought to include feminism into a commentary about naruto, but if that was an argument at all, you must realise that men are not logical, tobirama was simply paranoid beyond reason. yes we can absolutely blame him. Konoha and peace on the planet happened bc hashirama rose above those feelings of hatred and paranoia and established peace. tobirama couldn't do that because of his emotions and hatred, and bc of that his followers followed in his ways and ended up in the death of a whole clan. being cruel is not being logical.
Sasuke: Let me threaten u with my mangekyou sharingan.
Tobirama: Another sharingan snack.
Sasuke was shook when he lifted a finger
Tobirama is a realist and he was the best hokage of them all....
Couldn't agree more.
Tobirama is my favorite hokage.
Yeah for sure
Hiruzen was The worst by Far
I agree .
A realist charactar in a world where the only right way is the idealism one .
And he the most complete hokage he got style and intelegnce and powerful as well and his personality has its charm in way very funny seeing his reactions 🤣 .
But a lot call him raceist because he is savage and says what he thinks and dosen't kiss asses .
And putting all the blame on him for the uchiha massacre and on danzo forgetting that madara and obito and uchiha themselves has a responsbility on that as well .
don't know how you can watch the whole of naruto and come out thinking "the second hokage was right all along"
@@mahgeetahh he's the Goat
Don't weep, kid
Glad you finally got to meet my GOAT Hashirama 😀. Don't write off Tobirama so soon though. He wasn't heartless, but he lived in a world where people made decisions with their hearts instead of their brains.
He's easily the most intelligent of all hokages, and you have to admit that in the big picture...he was right. He had to consider the lives of everyone in the village, not just the Uchiha. Even the chance that they could turn with no warning was a massive danger to the village.
Whenever madara fights hashirama, they make everyone else in the Shinobi World look weak as HELL lol
They're Monsters like This
I observed that they explained about themselves than Tobirama about his understanding of Uchiha.
You said Tobirama lacked the understanding of the Uchiha when in reality he's the most knowledgeable one. You literally pretend like you didn't see Sasuke in the summit arc where he kept finding reasons to advenge something.
Everyone just roles with the narrative that tobirama was a racist instead of coming the the realization that the uchihas lacked the ability to put the village and the interest of everyone in it above their clan
Like itachi himself said "There is no hope for this shallow pathetic clan"
@@ila83 kid even in the feking anime it’s stated tobirama💩 was racist. The exact point of the coup was because of tobirama made them outcasts when literally they are the one’s who found the village.And y did third hokage moved uchihas to outside the village cuz madara/obito realised 9 tails when the information was literally classified which only Naruto’s parents and third hokage knew. And why the people started blaming the uchihas cuz tobiramas influence . They lacked to put interest of village’s first?wtf kid u didn’t even watch the show . The uchihas literally made madara a outcast and no uchihas gone alone with him even though he said the like of tobirama brings to the civil war
@@resalmathew3707 tobirama was the one who stopped inbreeding among the senju to strengthen the village as a whole the uchiha didn’t want equality they wanted power … who caused naruto parents to die and the nine (9) tails to attack the leaf ??… AN UCHIA who influenced said uchia to attack the leaf ?? Again AN UCHIA .. tobirama clearly stated he made the UCHIA police force because their powers suited such duties … tobirama created the academy , ninja ranking systems (genin , chunin and jonin) he was the one who offered the tail beats that the leaf collected at a price to other nations to ensure the sustainability and growth of the leaf for future generations …. He POLITICALY Was THE BEST HOKAGE just say you know nothing of how running a nation works
@@ila83 orochimaru himself stated that he made uchihas police force cuz he didn’t trust them . Have u not seen where madara and hashirama talking about building a village , schools for kids etc…. U didn’t know cuz u r a blind fan boy and u didn’t even watched the show 🤣🤡
How can you see Obito, Madara and Sasuke turn out this way and not see where the 2nd is coming from? The Uchiha are very unpredictable. All it takes is one loss and they go berserk. Naruto lost Jiraiya and didn't decide ti end the world. All I'm saying is that the 2nd reasoning was sound. But his plan didn't work out the way he had intended. It backfired. No one is perfect. Even the 1st was not perfect. Tired of hearing people call him a racist when the Uchiha clan were a warring clan who killed countless people.
Truth is racist nowadays bud.
And they also murder each other so they could attain Izanagi.
@@jonathanresurreccion2995 exactly. The Uchiha is a messed up clan. While I sympathize with Madara, people fail to mention that he could have tried to look past Tobirama's beliefs and tried to guide and convince people that the Uchiha could be trusted. Madara manifested the very same things he hoped wouldn't happen by his actions.
@@jjmeteor Madara felt superiority and privileged...He felt like he doesn't want to do any of those things cause he felt that it will lower himself...His hubris and paranoia were his downfall.
Tobirama Best Hokage
Lol, aint it funny to anybody else that Sasuke didn't ask Minato anything.
Sasuke really thought flexing EMS to 2 full blooded senjus that bodied all his ancestors would do anything😭
I believe that was not made on purpose but his blood just riled up
@@morena6717 so he isn't logical? Puts his emotions above logic which is bad
@@GabrielLopez-pt2lx It is bad, but at least he's not stupid
These dead kages are only allowed to partake because of Sasuke's maturity to hear them out. Everything these kages do from here on out is just 2nd order effect of Sasuke's decision which includes joining the war and enabling Naruto to meet his Dad again..etc. Sasuke could've easily got the information he wanted from them without even restoring their personalities. Watch your dumb mouth b1tch.
the strongest shinobi are 1-Hashirama 2-Madara 3-Tobirama
Power rankings are weird. It's said several times that Hiruzen is the strongest Kage, sometimes it's Minato. It's useless to make power rankings in anime. Everyone is the strongest when mangaka wants them to be
Following main strain opinions of the second hokage isn’t good … he was by far the best and most realistic hokage … madara was a man even when they entered the treaty still attacked and tried to destroy Konoha numerous of time … the second hokage didn’t hate the uchiha he simply stated that they put that clans interest above the villages and that’s where his distain for them came from… p.s keep up the good work 👍🏾
Tobirama eat uchiha's like candys Tobirama did fight against Madara and he didn't lose
Orochimaru making a lot of great points here!
My man Madara 👊
Senju Hashirama 💪
I like it
Yes you can g
that woman is talk too much
Only 23 minutes dang
I can do better