Chess Traps: Bobby Fischer Trap
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Bobby Fischer was one of the greatest chess minds of all time and always executed great ideas on the chess board. While there are many things we can learn from Bobby Fischer, in this video we look at one of his famous traps that he used.
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He forgot to explain why the king cannot take the knight. If the king takes the knight, a checkmate can be forced from there.
thanks was wondering but wouldnt the king be able to move to f5 after?
thats what im saying
If the King takes the knight then white plays Queen d5+
Bobby Fischer? You have a TH-cam channel? That's bizarre. I am a Chess pro and I do Bobby Fischer's strategy but not the Bishop to B3. I also do Bishop to F4 instead of Bishop to E3
Cubby Windows D lol
Exactly.What would you have to do afterwards then?
At 6:26 a great set of moves I made is (whites move)
e6 dxe6
Nxe6 fxe6
Qxd8
crimey. I have to watch that 3 times to take it in !!
When white pushes pawn to e-5 why move black knight to f-8? U could move black Knight to h5 instead and black queen would not get trapped. Good vid tho! I might try this
No, it is not, the line then goes like this: Qd5 Kf5, e6 and the king has 2 options, Kf5 leads to Ne4# and Kg4 leads to Qg5#. :)
Fischer's opening is the Zuckertort opening... I think. I use this a lot.
en la primera jugada donde el caballo blanco abate al peon en caballo negro estando en la posicion que estaba pudo aver abatido al caballo blanco y luego retroseder para eliminar una pieza fuerte y estar seguro en su lugar
If king captures on B7, checkmate in 6.
Actually that is not entirely true. After white pushes the pawn to F3, black can simply push his pawn to G5 and have an escape route.
what about instead of f6 move to g4?
King can take night you cannot explain if night take a king
Hi Kevin! Every time I watch one of your videos, I feel that I am a better chess player. But then, when I start to play, I am always the loser....
+Peter Blescak yeah.... losing = practice and practice makes perfect, and now perfect = win............ so therefore you did't lose
+Robert Embonal Thus, Losing = Winning .. xD
+Attizzoso Dissaldato stop playing
Practice makes better not perfect. (Attizzoso Dissaldoato)
+Attizzoso Dissaldato Because traps don't really work because everyone has seen them before.
"..dark-squared knight" LOL
nor ro mention in his capturing race he misses g7 xrf8=queen as an intermediate move after nxc2 amusing
+Reed B LOL rewatch the video the night takes c2 is a check
What if King captures the knight
Arun: Kxe6, Qd5+, Kf5, e6+, Kf6, Ne4 1-0
@@arunh3 Good question
He forgot to tell that if black takes the bishop with the king, and then taking the knight on e6 also with the king, it is actually a mate in 5/6 pattern:
12. Qd5+, Kf5. 13. g4+, Kxg4. 14. Rg1+, Kh5 {14... Kh4. 15. Qe4+
[15.Bg5+, Kh5
(..Kh3. 16. Qg2#).
16. Qd1+, Rf3. 17. Qf3#],
15. ...Rf4
(15... Kh5. 16. Qg4#).
16. Qxf4+ Kh5.
17 Qg5# (17. Qg4#)}.
15. Qg2, d6. 16. Qg5#.
in the end, on move 15 are many threats of mate in 1 regardless of what black does. If black doesn't move the pawn on d7 we have mate with Qh3, Qg4, and if black does move the pawn, we have the mate that I stated there.
Absolutely Noo King taking knight on e6 will give white an easy 1 move checkmate....look closely dumbass before you act like you know something about chess
Enlighten me, my friend. What is the move that gives you mate in one? Because either I and the computer are wrong or you are a little short-sighted...
ahmad mansour ya ahmad. Asalam aleikum. I dont see the one move check mate either. I was gonna ask what will happen if king takes knight. But somebody has answered it already. Hehehe
Gabriel Edery I think the 1mate move is basicly this:
after king takes knight, white moves queen to d5.
with queen in d5 king cant move back to f7, and it also cant move to f6 because of the pawn in e5. Also if the king takes the d5queen, the c3 knight takes him out. I think this is what ahmad meant, but i dont know that much about chess anyway, so I might be wrong :)
Jaime Jordan After Qd5+ the king goes to f5 (which is the only square available for the black king) as i stated in the analysis, which means that it is not a mate in 1 because the king has an escape route (which will only last for 5 more moves as I also stated in the analysis).
"He's taught me so much (not personally)"
Haha
Very good
Haha I litterly lol!! 😄😄😄
Same
When the bishop sacrifice comes in to play and king taakes, when the knight comes to take the Queen, can't the King take that knight
Brian Cordero Its explained in another comment that the queen can then move up and put a mate on the king.
Hemmo Laurell How so? I was thinking the same as Brian. The King should simply take the Knight.
Brian Cordero Because if black king takes white knight on e6 then white queen will move to d5 and it will be mate.
Bewareofthewolves no the king can still go to f5 but checkmate it not far :)
Yeh I saw that straight after I left the comment lol
For those who would like to know, taking the knight at 7:07 leads to a rather quick checkmate: Kxe6, Qd5, Kf5, e6+, Kf4... After this the game can end in a number of different ways that if you're creative enough, you should figure out.
This is amazing and extremely eduacational. I went from 700 rating to 1000 in a couple weeks just by watching your videos lol :)
I went from 1200 to 23948234982374923874923487
I beat Magnus Carlsen in 1 move reserved for top players like me it's 1. Nxe8#
this was played in game against Samuel Reshevsky
this had just amazed me the first time I saw this in a book
thanks for posting!
What if, at 8:50, black takes the white knight with his King?
Queen to d5 mate
+Andrew king still looks safe, due to f7 escape. Can the pawn take by en pasant?
+Joe Richmond king will be on e6 and queen on d5 the f7 escape doesn't exist it is checkmate
+Arjix What about king to f5?
Apoc O'Clock There is a force mate
what if the king captures the white knight at 7:17
looks good to me but i guess he tries to keep the king back much as possible
that would be checkmate...queen to d5
king to f5
+Antonio Milinković no king can go back to e6. Pawn g4 forces mate in 3.
Checkmate; by Queen in dozen moves. Q to D5...King to F5...
This is probably the best move against the sicilian dragon.
Accelerated Dragon
Kevin, I'm watching all of your videos. You are the best at explaining moves without confusing the viewer. Mato is pretty good. The others use engines too frequently to explore all the options for each play, which can really boggle the mind.
Mato is the best.
Djórdan Rafael Simon I do not think so. I think Kevin is the best!
williamthesoccerstar
our indian is very good as well even though some of his videos can be too detailed.
"Simple development move" give it a rest
Well it's not that complicated.
Why you don't capture knight with king in that position?
*ANSWER*
After black captures knight using king
Qd5,Kf5,Pg4,Kg4,Qe4 Kh5 or Kh3,Qf3,Kh4,Qg3,Kh5,Qh3
Checkmate
Qf3 loses the Queen to the rook doesnt it?
Pras105 yeah its rlly not that complicated u dont need those extra moves
Lol.. qd5 , kf5 , qe4 checkmate
@@BrideMiJaja if qe4 then ke6... how is that mate?
@@brandonbuchholtz1346 Just check with an engine
what if king captures knight on e6?
qd5 , kf5 , qe4 checkmate
whats wrong with king taking the knight?
+Mustafa Eroglu hmm?
Qd5 mate
+Mustafa Eroglu idk what that means
+Mustafa Eroglu Then Kf5. It's not mate, but rather a terrible position for the King.
+RaJuanJohnson true.
After the night goes to e6 the king can just eat the knight... What then?
I guess, after that white plays Qd5+ and after Kf5 white can possibly start a king hunt, which leads to mate. :)
True...
I put this line to Rybka 4 and actually it is a forced mate in 6.
1... Kxe6 2. Qxd5+ Kf5 3. g4+ Kxg4 4. Rg1+ Kh4 5. Bg5+ Kh5 6. Qd1+ Rf3 7. Qxf3#
SuperDreamliner787 2. Qxd5+?? there is no piece on d5...
mate
What if he captueres the knight with the king?
Lol.. qd5 , kf5 , qe4 checkmate
I love the clap at the begining
Good job on describing this Fischer trap. Agadmator’s TH-cam channel also discussed this trap, which is how I came across this video.
Its really ridiculous that people are asking why didn't king takes knight 😂
It should be pretty obvious to anyone that isn't a complete beginner that walking your king to the middle of the board in that situation will lead to mate very soon. If you're watching this video in hopes of learning specific opennings you should be above beginner level.
PRANJAL PATHAK i must be a beginner then😂😂😂
Obviously it seems like a bad idea but it's still nice for the commentator to show the mate line. In this situation it's hard to mess up as white but there are situations in chess where the king looks in peril after some sacrifices yet with inaccurate play the king can escape danger with the defender suddenly being up pieces and back to a winning position
Mwuesse no. If every single contingent move was fully explained the video lessons would become too long, too boring and overwrought. A good mid to advanced level lesson should beg student to engage and think for themselves. That's also part of the fun.
The video would maybe be 15 seconds longer, I fail to see how it would suddenly become boring and overwrought. Many people enjoy long videos with different lines explored - as can be seen in success by KC channel when he did longer videos and by agdamator's channel these days. Nobody asks for every line to be covered but it's nice to see some of the interesting variations.
Ches Trap is the worst music ever :/
James made my day
u should explain more in ur video
This doesn’t make any fucking sense the king take out the knight
Imagine that, when he clapped with his hands at 0:00 , just before that somebody entered in his room and saw him.
bobby fisher.The unforgotten mastermind.God save his soul!
Why doesn't the pawn take the rook at 4:50?
in check
Andres Duarte I can't believe I actually asked that lol. I'm about 850 points higher than I was back then.
king takes knight then Qd5+ Kf5 then g pawn sacrifice black king is completely inside whites region
ITS A TARP!
Someone get the FISCHER man
@6:48 can't the king just take the Knight? I was just wondering because the queen won't be completely lost. But if the rook takes, then the queen will be captured.
Look for the comment I made a little abvoe yours. I answer that question in great detail.
thanks!
hi Chessvebsite you for got the most importen line when the King capture on e6
At this point is the trap diffused?
+Jonathan Saloman what about at 8:27 the black king goes left?
+Chris Kling what happens then?
+Jonathan Saloman 8:27 king to h8
Then the pawn will capture the king. 8:49
Your vids are nostalgic to me. Watched them faithfully in the early days. Forgot about you completely until now. So happy right now your awesome.
It's a trap!
For all those who are asking why the King can't capture the knight...
*King* to *e6 (capturing knight)*
*Queen* to *d5 (check **-mate-** )*
*King* forced to *f5*
*Queen* to *e4* **(checkmate)**
Nope. King can move back to e6 as the queen is no longer attacking it.
@@fatsquirrel75
If black play Kxe6 he is mate in four moves (Kxe6 - Dd5 - Kf5 - De4 - Kg4 - f3 - Kh4 or Kh5 - Dg4 mate)
"Early on in the game, you typically favor bishops over knights." Sorry, but I actually disagree. You favor bishops over knights in the endgame, assuming that the bishop is able to do something and is not being held at bay by pawns. Bishop against knight in the opening isn't really much of an advantage.
the real answer... bishops or knights get their value of the position being played at hand. you cannot say "bishops are good at end game" because it is possible to have the wrong bishop for the end game... then a knight would be better than the wrong bishop
I also said "assuming that the bishop is able to do something and is not being held at bay by pawns". Bishops travel more quickly than knights when allowed to do so, although that doesn't guarantee that the bishop is better. It means that in a random endgame position with a bishop against a knight, the bishop is more likely to be the better piece.
@@GoUtes92 In high level play that is not true. For a biginner the knight is more valueable because he has simple tactics like the fork and even newer player find it harder to calculate them. But Bobby Fischer himself said that the knight is 3 points and the bishop 3 2/5.
What if the king takes my knight ??? A 6:50
I love playing chess with against people like me who don't study it or learn the moves becasue chess has lost all sense of strategy since it's creation. Not to offend anyone but because both players have the same number and type of pieces bothe are exactly equal, creating the problem where after a time all of the strategies will have been found out and it loses a sense of strategy and becomes a game of who knows more strategies and who can enact a better one first.
But if you don't study chess and you play with someone else who doesn't study chess it is an amizing game where both players are making decision about the pieces without a plan for the end game and are reacting to each others moves
This is for beginners like myself, but yes, it is an amazing way to play chess, as long as you look ahead at least 2-5 moves it will be fun.
..but the midgame as just planning and strategy no techniques you can use there
intensity digital. This sounds like loser talk to me 😂😂
why didnt take the knight with the king?
cause it would be checkmate next move
How?
John Crusader
Qd5 Checkmate
leonard alvaro Qd5 will allow the black king to escape to f5, but that would only prolong the obvious checkmate, which white will deliver using the deadly sequence of e6 (discovered check), followed by Bg5++ (1-0). Black can only prolong the mate by playing Be5 (post the discovered check), but that would not serve the purpose for any longer
Then 1.Qd5+ Kf5 2.g4+ Kg4 3.Rg1+ Kh4( 3. ... Kf5 4.Rg5# , 3. ... Kh5 4. Qg2 unavoidable mate!, 3. ... Kh3 4. Qg2+ Kh4 5.Qg4# ) 4.Qg2 d6 5. Qg5+ Kh3 6.Qg3#. This is the complete variation after the move ... Kxe6.
can't the king take the knight?
He could, but it would be a mate in 6. If you are good enough to fall for this trap, you should be could enough to see it. Of course, some beginners would take and maybe some other beginners wouldn't even mate but a forced mate is possible if white would then play right. Look below in the comments, people have already said the combination...
ok, thanks!
1 wariant 1. d1-d5 2. e6-f5 3. e5-e6 4. f5-f6 5. e3-d4 X
2 wariant 1. d1-d5 2. e6-f5 3. e5-e6 4. f5-g4 5. h2-h3 6. g4-h4 7. g2-g3 X
Then he can bring his queen beside the pawn = checkmate I believe
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"You can simply"
He use that line soo much it hurts to hear it
Shades of Mikael Tal! It's a thing of epic beauty to see an attack so devastating arise from what appears to be nothing but thin air. Even a Master can find himself or herself enjoying the sunshine at the entrance to a nice garden path, and then - "Toto, how the DICKENS did we suddenly get neck-deep in this dog sh--?"
Great video!
Your great at speaking(tone, rhythm and confidence) and it's easy to follow the strategy unlike so many other people's videos.
Whenever a trap contains an obvious out like KxN on e6 and it isn't covered, you know that's a bad idea. At that point it becomes a chess problem for us to work out. Of course it leads to an inevitable mate. It's just not an easy one.
leave the knight on a1 is better acc to engines. white queen spends important tempos capturing it and returning meanwhile black plays e5 and d5 !!
For anyone wondering why didn't black king capture the white knight on e6 at 7:09 :
1. White queen to d5 - check, black king has the only move to f5.
2. White pawn to g4 - check, black king has the only move to capture it.
3. White rook to g1 - check,
black king can move to f5 - which leads to white rook to g5 checkmate;
or black king can move to h5 - which leads to white queen to g2 and then simple checkmate with the white rook and the white queen, no matter what move black makes;
or black king can move to h4 - which leads to white dark square bishop to g5 - check, if black king moves to h5, then white queen to d1 check, black blocks with the rook, white queen captures the rook and checkmate, else :D black king moves h3 then white queen to g2 checkmate;
or black king can move to h5 - which leads to white queen to g2, black king to h4, white queen to g4 - checkmate! :D
So, as you can see black king will be checkmated no matter what if he captures the white knight on e6.
After the knight moves, couldn't the queen just capture the blocks knight?
If your son was going to be one of the great geniuses in history, what would YOU name him: Bo, Cecil, Roy? Robert, aka Bobbie, is just fine.
you will never beat a computer on high difficulty this way... probably not even on easy lol. they never fall for the knight pairing. they'll push up every time
You know that you do not use that against a conputer you use that against a human that is just a pointless this comment sorry just really dumb.
For those thinking that black can take with his king after 11. Nf6: fischer has the brilliant 12.Qd5+!!! after 12... Kf5 13. g4+, Kxg4 14. Rg1+, Kh4 15. Bg5+, Kh5 16. Qd1+, Rf3 17. Qxf3# (note that if black instead moves 14...Kh5 then: 15. Qg2!!! followed by 16.Qg4# or 16.Qg5# depending on blacks response)
It didn't finish
How does chess had those opening names? Like Sicilian defense and the variations, DRAGON and Accelerated DRAGON? Why chess opening have such names..?
TO EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE KING CAN'T TAKE THE KNIGHT: Here is why that won't work: after black king takes white rook- white queen to D5, then black king only has one spot, after moving there white pushes pawn to E6, then black king has one more spot left, then bishop to D4 = checkmate.
This guy really wasn't thinking when he made this video, of course not everyone would figure that out, there are many noobs watching this so he should have explained a move that didn't have an obvious 1 move follow up to the people that don't play this that well.
Everyone is discussing the possibliity of Kxe6 after Ne6. This move fails after this fantastic combination. Qd4+, Kf4, g4! King must take or it's checkmate. The line continues Kxg4, Rb1+ and no matter where the king moves it's going to be mate. If Kf4, then Rg5#. If Kh3 then Rg3+, Kh4, Qe4+, Kh5, Qg4#. If instead of Kh4 Kxh2, Qg2#. If Kh4 then Qe4+, Kh3, Qg4+, Kxh2, Qg2#. If instead of Kh3 Kh5 Qg4#.If Kh5 then Qg2. This cute silent move(not a check) threatens mate on 3 squares(g4, g5, and h3) and it's impossible to stop them all. The main obvious threat is Qg5#, but if you attempt to stop it with e6, then just Qg4#.If you try to stop Qg4# with d6, then just Qg5#. All of these lines completely shut out the idea of Kxe6. You might as well be playing the position down a queen.
As another comment has mentioned, the reason that the black king can't take the knight is because there will be a forced mate in 6 moves.
1... Kxe6 2. Qd5+ Kf5 3. g4+ Kxg4 4. Rg1+ Kh4 5. Bg5+
Kh5 6. Qd1+ Rf3 7. Qxf3#
For those saying 11...Kxe6: this leads to mate after at most 7 forcing moves from white. (e.g. 12. Qd5+ Kf5 13. g4 Kxg4 14. Qe4 Kh5 15. Rg1 d6 16. Rg5+ Kh6 17. Rg4+ Kh5 18. Rh4#). This is a very cool yet complicated line, for which I am sure Fischer prepared, but getting even one of the moves wrong means that the black King escapes and white is left down two minor pieces. Risky business (cue Tom Cruise).
I have solved it, if Kxe6 then 1. Qd5+ Kf5 2. e6+ (Here the variations) Kf6 3. Ne4+ Kg6 4. Qg5++ (1-0) the second option in the variation is Kg4, but simply Qg5 and it's checkmate again. (Please sorry my english)
I see multiple comments that the knight can be captured by the King after 11. Ne6. This leads to a mate in 6 moves which any chess engine can calculate out for you, like Stockfish for the iPhone. The mating line is 11. .. Kxe6? 12. Qd5+ Kf5 (forced, as it's the only square). 13. g4+ Kxg4 (again forced, only square). 14. Rg1+ and now if Kh5 or then Qg2 and black cannot cover both mating squares. 14. ... Kh3 is no good either, 15. Qg2+ Kh4 16. Qg4#. Finally 14. Kh4 loses to 15. Bg5+, Kh3 leads to Qg2# and Kh5 is answered by 16. Qd1+ Rf3 (forced, only move), 17. Qxf3#
When watching these videos online follow along using a chess engine for maximum value - it can show you lines like this that masters and grandmasters consider too obvious to discuss. And, occassionally, you'll be watching a video and the chess engine will point out something they missed, which happens more than it should since they have access to the engines too.
you forgot f5 .... the king can move to f5, but its checkmate after 5 moves .... after Qd5+ Kf5, g4+ KXg4, Rg1+ Kh4, Qe4+, Kh3, Qg4+ KXh2, Qg3# ...
sure, one cud just move the pawn at e5 to e6, opening a discovered check, and if the king moves to either f6 or g5, it becomes checkmate.. but before moving to f6 or g5, black can block the check with the bishop, and stop the checkmate threat....
you need to see the board before thinking ahead of a million moves....
Sorry, not easy mate in three, I goofed ._. , however white can still force mate. After g4+ forcing Kg4, white plays Rg1+ (black only has Kf5,Kh5,Kh4 and Kh3)
If Kf5 then Rg5++
If Kh5 then Qd1+ ,If Rf3, then simply Qf3+ , and whether Kh4 after or without black rock move, then Qg4++
If Kh3 then Qg2+, and then Kh4,Qg4++
If Kh4 then Bg5+ works fastest in this variation. If reply is Kh3 then Qg2++ and if Kh5 then Qd1+, Rf3, Qf3++
where is the "easy to find" moves? all I can see is a forced draw, the mate would be like this: Ke6, Qd5+, Kf5, g4+, Kg4, h3+, Kh5, Qd1+, Kh4 then Qg4++, but this mate only happens if Kh5, black still have plenty of options to avoid this mate plus he can force a draw, so it's not 100% chance of winning for white if king takes knight on e6.
If you have a 100% sure mate please tell me because I couldn't find that.
1. Here's a beginner take on all this (go easy on me). LOL, after reading comments it seems same question puzzles everyone's mind. At 6:57 we are told queen will not escape, but WHY??? I was SO puzzled why king cannot simply take attacking knight Kxe6 I used computer to calculate moves. Reason is at best continuation mate follows in 6 moves. Seeing it was IMHO THE entire point of the trap. Comment skipped pointing to this completely while 6 moves combination is w/o doubt anything but obvious.
2. Here are all lines of it: 12. Qd5+ Kf5 13. g4+ Kxg4 14. Rg1+ Kh4 15. Bg5+ Kh5 16. Qd1+ Rf3 17. Qxf3#. I read once Bobby F was very predicable, however depth of his preparation made impossible for opponent to exploit his style knowledge. Such seems the case here. In my beginner take at 2:32 Bc4 look bit bold, while next move which follows after blacks castling at 2:40 bishop moves to corner Bc2, as comment says moves he loved to play to put pressure on week pawn at f7, looks plainly risky.
3. From beginner's prospective white bishop cornered itself on risky position, from which any quick escape is impossible now, should attack develop. It seems black sees it and tries to capitalize on it by attacking bishop with Na5. It was the trap, only problem in order to see it as such you have to be able to make (explained earlier) mate calculation which is 10 moves (!!!) ahead now. Essence of this trap is attacking king from distance ranks making threat to king hard to see ahead.
This is NOT the Fischer trap!!! Fischer played this against Sammy Reshevsky in 1958 and only after reading about the trap in several Russian chess mags is had smuggled to him. There were several dozen Russian Grandmasters as well as masters who implemented this. They all new Na5 was bad and recommend d6 as the best continuation for black. NOT the Fischer trap at all, he just made it famous.
A quicker way, better way would be to just move G4 to check the King. He would be forced to take the pawn. Then white brings his Rook to G1 which essentially guarantees some form of checkmate. If the King retreats to F5 then white brings his rook to G5 and it's mate. If King moves to H4 or H5 then white Queen drops back to place a check or pawn moves up to check and then finish with a Queen fall back to F3 for mate.
From what I can see, just looking at it very briefly, it looks like if he captures with his King then white can bring his Queen up to D5, check the black King. Black is forced to move to F5 which puts him in a very bad position; just two moves from checkmate. White just needs to bring his pawn to H3 and then another pawn to G4 and it's mate. Obviously there are things black could do to slow/stop this but it's definitely a dangerous position for black to be in.
The next move for white would probably be Queen to D5 which would force the king into the center of the board by itself. Needless to say that's a horrible position for the king and while white will be down a knight, it would be very hard to recover from such an open position. I mean it is possible but I'm assuming a grandmaster/master would really capitalize on the advantage. I honestly, though, have no idea how I would play the white game after I pushed his king into the middle of the board.
1.Qd5. Black's only move is 1. ... Kf5, followed by 2. Pe6, If 2. ... Kf6 then 3. Bg5 Checkmate. If 2. ... Be5 Then maybe 3. Pg4 KxP 4. QxB and, in my opinion, the now one piece that white is down is more than compensated for by the fact that black's king is all out in the middle of enemy territory with no easy way for support! I'm not great at chess, though, so play it out for sure to double check me!
Hrm. With the B3 move, it seems a bit premature. The bishop is already putting pressure on F7. Moving it to B3 doesn't increase the pressure at all. If you can lure Black's knight to A5, than you can gain control of the center of the board as you've outlined. But if they don't fall for the trap, you've wasted a move. Especially if Fischer was on record setting this trap in the past, it seems that only bad players would fall into it, while good players would gain an advantage from the lost move.
What about 5.Nxc6 instead of 5.Nc3, leading on to either ...bxc6(isolating the a pawn, which is bad) or ...dxc6 6.Qxd8 Kxd8(preventing castling which is also bad)? Then there could be some ideas w/c3 and be3 and Nd2 depending on what black does.
Jesus it was confusing looking at the paused youtube video and trying to think about that!
Had to take the board out (guess I am so terrible, yeah)
So, the longest route for king to live is:
Qd5 Kf5 g4 Kxg4 Rg1 Kh5 Qf3 Kh4 Qg4 - Checkmate.
If black king goes to h3 when rook checks, Rg3 Kh2 Qg2 - checkmate.
If black king captures knight, white queen to d5, check. Black king has to go to f5. White then moves its e5 pawn to e6, check. The king can only go to f6 or g4. If black king goes to f6, white bishop to g5 is checkmate. If Black King goes to g4, white queen to g5 is checkmate.
Either way, if King captures knight, it's checkmate in 3 moves for white.
regardless, having your king beyond the line of pawns is a death sentence. Even if you do not get checkmated, the other player is going to force you to constantly move your king, giving him a leap of tempo and better development of his pieces. A queen is an inconvenience, but an unprotected king is disastrous.
".. again simple development move for white.." ... "Aaaand here we have knight to f6 again simple development move for black.."... "And now we have knight to c3 again just a simple development move for white.."... I think Your commentary is in the simple development stage.. You post the best games so every now and then I try to watch but I just can't..
Why do you call this "Bobby Fischer Trap"? This is Soviet analyses published in a Soviet chess magazines a few months before the Fischer-Reshevsky game. Bobby had read that magazine (he had learned some basic Russian for that purpose) so he was prepared, while Reshevsky obviously did not know the refutation of Na5 yet...
Beleskiy- I thought the same (KxN), but if Fishers Q moves to d5x. This move would be an obnoxious cat and mouse game between black K and white Q around whites e5 pawn, B e3, and N c3. In which I am sure Fisher would have avoided. In my Q e5 scenario, after KxN, this may not be the best move, but is one example with a quick ending. Already, black is in a losing position. Especially, after blacks pieces were taken earlier on without having been fully developed, somewhat pinning blacks Q, and with a weak black N on the rim. Continuing with the Q d5 scenario, obviously, Fishers trap gives him great advantage for a quick ending. However, it is possible that in the end, my hypothetical Fishers Qd5 could represent a draw or a forfeit for the opponent, or a draw for Fisher. So in a way, I agree, the outcome would have been different if KxN, but I think the battle would be a lost cause to the opponent.
So..... I am not a "chess player" according to Chessmaster I keep a solid rank of 1033 but the next guy up annihilates me , But I wanted to see how practical these traps are and setup a match with some of the highest rank in Chessmaster 10 - 6 in total and NOT once (after the 3rd move) fell for the "trap". I though "Maybe even these high ranking player are not prepared fo "accelerated dragon" and went into the grand master Karpov, Morphy, Spassky and again after the 3rd move all goes to hell and my "eye down" on F7 turned into a run for my life. So.. when we talk about traps or genious moves it is all dependant on what the opponent will do hence maybe the "trap" worked once and then throw it away cause you will never again face the positional scheme that may the trap work. If it is something you do all the time now keeping you out of the eye on F7 (as something Fisher LOVED) is maybe a two move effort to make it crumble. My question and I appologize for the long winded set up. What exactly is the benefit of this if ALL depends on how your opponent plays. Please to the chess pros (who god damn can get emotional) chill please, unless it is constructive It is a QUESTION!
The king can take the knight by using the bishop to escape (in this variation). Of course g4+ can negate all this.
K e6 (taking the kn), Q d5 check, K f5, pawn to e6 check, (Don't move the king here) B e5, Q e4 check, K f6, Kn d5 check, K g7, Q e5 check (taking the bishop), K g8, B h6, Kn f6, Kn e7 check (taking the pawn), Q e7 taking the kn, B f8 (taking the rook), Q f8 (retaking the bishop), Q a5 (taking the kn on the rim), pawn e6 (taking pawn).
Now variations from this can start as soon as the third queen check (Qe4). But at this point, white is up a pawn and a rook. Black has 2 minor pcs to 0 for white and the black pawn chain is broken in the center. White still hasn't castled though. Although a very effective trap, a defense can be mounted from that position given white's complete lack of development of its rooks or remaining pawns.
For all those who want to know what happens if the King kills the Horse? It's : Qd5+ , Kf5 , e6+ , Kf6 , Bd4#. CHECKMATE! And yes I think he forgot to mention that.
If the king takes the next move is queen d5 checkmate
No because the king goes to F5
True, but then e6+
Dylan Gardner
white then can force the black king to move and checkmate after a few moves. queen to d5, pawn g4, queen e4, queen f3, queen g3, queen g5-checkmate. the king always has only one escape field
Yeah if the king takes then it's Qd5+, Kf5, e6+, Kf6, Bd4#. So if the black king takes then it's forced mate from there. Awesome trap.
Christopher Gannon Qd5+, Kf5, e6+, Kf6, Bd4# or Qd5+, Kg4, Qg5#. But, yeah, white's greed costs him a game.
I never realized how serious and strategic chess could be. I also didn't realize it had such a big fan base
After the white plays Ne6, why didn't black Kf7xNe6 ? That would have broken the momentum of white and saved his queen.
If Qd5, Kf5; wouldn't Qe4 be checkmate? The king can't go to f6 because of the pawn, he can't capture the pawn because it's protected by the queen, he can't go to g5 because of the dark bishop, and he can't go to f4 or g4 because of the queen, and he can't capture the queen because of the knight.
You might be right but I think the point is that the bishop is in a very weak spot. This move isn't based around that trap, it's just a possible continuation. I sort of like it because it takes away the possibility of the opponent kicking the bishop around to gain initiative.
I won a game using this trap after reading Levy's book about Fischer. My game followed this game except I hadn't castled. My opponent resigned though after Bxf7+ Kxf7 Ne6 1-0 This was in 2008 and I talked about Fischer then and the next day the news came he had died.
What must be realised is that Fischer found this trap in Shakmaty. He studied chess a lot and found this in Soviet analysis. But he was probably the first GM to spring the trap. Reshevsky was the victim. In fact he fought on for a long time. I believe that Reshevsky and Fischer had an approximately equal score against each other overall.
I think Bobby's bishop to B3 is to prevent: ... Nxe4, Nxe4 Pd5, forking the bishop and knight to win the exchange and break into the center with tempo.
Right, Anthony Ciulla, didn't see your post. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.