Bobby Fischer Makes 4 Consecutive Crazy Opening King Moves Against Short Game 2/8
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2017
- If this was the Legendary Bobby Fischer playing against Nigel Short,, this was one crazy crazy game.
Having gone for the most bizarre opening, just like he did in his previous games, Fischer had played a very eccentric game.
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To all who dont know who fischer is and why this was him.... He said that he hated chess because it became a memorization game. By playing crazy openings he forcing his opponent to play "chess" instead of the same memorized moves they learn. thats what he did to beat spassky who was world champion in 72. This man was a true Guinness, may he rip.
This wasn't Fischer.
A true Guiness, right alongside Budd and Coors.
A true Guinness, let's hope he doesn't get drank
God I hope I can drink one tru Guinness in my life.
A true guinness, almost as much as hitler
Bobby Fischer was bong clouding before it was an actual thing. that's how you know he's a legend!
no he wasn't, you are just a drug addict not a genius
I started playing bongcloud all the time and it's funny how similar low-rated players have no idea how to respond (1000-1200). I'm winning more games with it, lol.
This isn't a bongcloud opening
@@aliceroberts5928 okay sure it's king F7 instead of E7, you get the idea dude. It's moving your king up to the 7th rank in the beginning of the game as a way of saying to your opponent "you're no threat to me"
@@amsbeats841 By that logic, a king david sicilian is a bongcloud to. That's not how openings work.
Fischer playing the original bongcloud for IMMEDIATE PSYCHOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE.
Bongcloud: Fischer Variation
He was so good man.. He wanted to win like that. He was mocking the game itself
@@Ostathis I think from the Fischer interviews I heard in his later/post career, he just hated how solved the game had become (or at least how memorization focused it was). So he would purposefully break known lines early in the game to force creative problem solving (where he thrived). Once he could reach a totally novel game state, he was comfortable.
@@tomwallen7271 we must have watched the same interviews :) He was something else. His way of thinking was really meta. Thats what i meant when i said he was mocking the game !
Fischer used an irregular insane opening because it's a blitz game and he knew short wouldn't have time to think deeply. He's the king of blitz.
Of course it was Fischer because he knew all that all he had to do is to force his opponents to actually play chess rather then repeat all the moves they memorised for every situation which is what almost all chess players do. He just made moves that didn't exist in any textbook and that were never played and therefore there was no memorized defence so the other players had to actually play chess.
Congratulations, you're an ignorant imbecile...
@@philsurtees = made known who he is
you dont play chess do you ?
I agree. That's what a true master does! All masters at anything are technically bored - so forcing your opponent to play the game properly is appropriate.
Believe it or not of Fischer mistaken play. Against short if you heard the name Cris Ramayrat it was him playing on ICC before
As you can see sacrificing tempo for rapid king development is the superior way to play chess
"rapid king development" - love it! :D
this is true in life and politics also
5:41 “Nigel got the queens off” what a stud
XD I see what you both did there. (;
The Gorn hahahahahahaha only to prove one thing. Men are always thinking about one thing.
@@jjcnyc6313 its almost like humans need to reproduce so they dont go extinct.
😂😂😂😂
yep! he did like being a top
It's not a good opening or a bad opening, it's a jazz opening.
Jazzy fingers, as they say. All over the place. ;3 I love the moves! ^_^
It's the boxing equivalent of showboating before the match.
@@orlock20 except that the match is already fully underway and he's still running around making faces and punching himself in the face
no, it's a bad opening. put two strong humans against each other instead of one strong human and one cheater with an engine running next to the game, and the one who uses this nonsense is at a distinct disadvantage.
@@jedinxf7 You're assuming it was a cheater with an engine. But an engine would never, ever, make that opening. There's too many moves here that simply aren't engine moves for it to be an engine. I honestly think it was Fisher.
HIS KNOIGHT
Rock
Hehe. Accent. :3
I figured rook on D7 to move to G7; next the black pawn. Then, move it down under diaganoly to the bishop, at G4. Then, to make checkmate with RC8 to G8, then bring it right in front of the king (if it's still stuck there), to G5. (;
bishOPPP
I love this accent
Only a crazy genius like Fischer could have played such a mad opening and still win..
.....there were other mad chess players tho.....
@@grantross2609 .....well name some....
You Say " crazy genius". Otherwise I wouldn't have agreed with you. I would have added " or a degenerated artist"
@@TerryMcQ79 I mean magnus for example has had some pretty interesting games. Eg. the bongcloud attack against Wesley So and winning, playing f3 (the worst possible first move) against Duda and drawing and almost certainly a bunch of ones I don't even know of.
@@Susikohmelo Magnus is a big Fischer fan and is well aware of Fischer's disdain for memorization and theory. That's why you see him try and innovate every once in a while, but he's well aware of the sad reality that you can't be a top chess player without very good memory which you need to use to memorize countless matches and endless theory.
Proof that Fischer was sane and everybody else is crazy.
Because he was better at chess...? Sound logic.
@@strangething4322 Chess is the best way to acquire logic in sims, so yea
@@squirrelhallowino29 Chess IQ doesn’t equate to IQ. If that were the case, chess GM’s would be running and planning military operations. Sure, you have to be able to do many things in chess like looking at patterns, lines of attack, be spatially aware, etc. But it wouldn’t apply to much else
@@mythic6632 i was talking about sims, you know the game? a meme? But even so, why does being a general and reading the art of war would make him more high IQ? War is literally humankind being retarded as usual.
Never understood why people equate chess to IQ either.. it’s literally a board game. A fun one yes but being good at the board game life doesn’t make your life any better nor does being good at battleship make you a 5 star general lol
All of Fisher's moves are mysteriously fascinating.
Nigel Short himself believed it was Fischer that he was playing. During the 8 game match, Short gave his opponent the name of a particular Mexican grandmaster and asked his opponent if he knew him. The opponent immediately responded with "1970", which is when Fischer had played the Mexican grandmaster in a tournament. Short stated that his opponent's response was so immediate that no one could have possibly had time to look it up...
I've heard that story and I believe it. This was Fischer based on that evidence and the fact that no engine would have opened in such a fashion.
Nigel Short himself also later stated publicly on more than one occasion that he came to know that he was mistaken and that this was not Fischer that he played in these games.
oh the mythbuilding of the early era of the internet :D
@@nqhndl guess you didn't put 2 and 2 together
@@jeffostrander2082 guess rumours and guesses don't count for "2 and 2" for me, but hey, nothing wrong with you
Fischer was playing the ultimate bongcloud before the bongcloud was a thing.
Fischer is just having fun - he's playing the player
He wants to avoid memorize chess
Fischer had no part in any of this.
The strolling king.. just checking the enemy closer like medieval times 😆
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Imagine being so advanced that you invent the Bongcloud Attack 20 years before everyone else
Bongcloud defence*
Those opening king moves were just breath-taking - pure genius. It created the excitement that lasted throughout the game. Highly unusual and creative! Great commentary too. He must have got a kick out of freaking out Short. If I could read his thoughts, I might hear, "WTF is this??"
Very creative I had the feeling from the get go his king would be ok dancing around the board I think it distracted his opponent wishing he could make a decisive counter move which he was not able to kind of funny
The man was doing the bongcloud opening before it was even cool 😂
that was like a bonghurricane
@@FaqUrNwoBS6th 6AJESHVI and a great 9:22 z 7oi7oh7o8of76😅😅 9:22 and 9:22 😅😅 9:22 9:22 😮 9:22 5😅5 9:22 9:22 😮😮 9:22 😮 88
Chess world: no one would make those four king moves!
Fischer: hold my beer.
Fischer not accept ur beer🤣🤣😇😜
Hold my Rivotril*
No way he was that good at his age. Even Tal wasn't that good. This is probably some dude using an engine to popularize chess. Makes silly moves to confuse audiences but there were way too many computer recommend best moves played by fake Bobby.
@@akashsinha2880 just it really was him. You know - that guy is known for being good in playing chess, so he sometimes must have been playing ;-)
@@akashsinha2880 it was Fischer
This is what Bobby looked like shortly before his death. I met him in 1983 at Lina Grumette's Memorial Day Classic tournament. I was 16yo and won the under 1600 section 51/2-1/2. He crushed me two blitz games, then observed IM Shirazi take 2min to 1min odds vs.GM Djingihashvili(?). Fischer left with Paul Koploy, the Chess Columnist for the Orange County Register. Seems he was hosting the former world champion. At that time, Fischer had been M.I.A. as far as public appearances. I can think of no other visitations , although he was staying nearby in Pasadena. That summer, 83, the US OPEN was at a beatiful Hotel on Oak Knoll Rd. (We were three miles away at the Hilton). I heard Fischer made a brief appearance, spoke to GM KORCHNOI, the #1seeded Grandmaster. One of our young brood of A players just missed the cut and played Korchnoi on stage, then was paired with GM Christiansen in rd 2 (whom had taken bye in first). Memeories
@Jack Wehrung there's only one Martin Whalley rated in US Chess and that person played from 93 thru 08, with a current rating of under 1900. So I am calling BS on this story.
@@LeslieJayBoschPhoto Why? He was 16 in '83 so he was 26 in '93 what's your point?
Whether it was actually Robert James Fischer or not, we do know that it really was Nigel Short, who is Grandmaster level, so even though this was, to borrow the Association Football term, a "Friendly", rather than an officially sanctioned tournament game, it is famous enough to deserve an opening name. Given the nature of the moves, and the player claimed, almost by urban legend, to have played it, I choose to accept its colloquial nickname, the "Mad King Defense" (instead of "... Opening", since it is determined by Black), as the only one appropriate for an official name.
Seconded. 3 years later. The Mad King Defense is perfect.
Was it a really a defense or a gambit?
@@jeremiahshine It's called a "Joke-opening" in chess slang sometimes and in general would be classified as irregular by the ECO under A00.
@@guthax30 I understand the oddness. I asked if it was technically a "defense" or a "gambit".
@@guthax30 *"The Jokers opening" what do ya think?
Nigel was lured into dark forest as that hunter chasing a deer from the fairy tale.
Everybody gangster until someone opens with their king
I've heard others say that on assessment 80% of the moves made by fisher weren't even 2nd or 3rd choice by a chess engine they used. I don't know, and won't presume to judge anyone's view on whether it was fisher or not. What I will say is that it is nice to think that it was - and as we will never know, maybe that's how we should leave it - in the realm of of a legend that once again showed the world that creativity is more than memorization.
@Peter Evans thank you, I didn't know that they had shown it was him.
@Peter Evans Oh wow, they looked 7 years into future in 1994, when they investigated a game played in 2001 on a chess server opened in 1995. Truly it was one hell of an investigation.
This was not Fischer, as fun as it is to think so, the idea has been throughout debunked. Nigel Short has himself said it was not Fischer. Fischer denied ever playing online. The moves were very similar to a chess engine and the guy operating the website spent time tracking down the player and claims it was some guy from Canada, using a chess engine.
There is no mystery. The information is readily available, but no one is interested in redactions or corrections. Just in fantastical stories.
@Peter Evans I'm not surprised.
@@Darenimo its funny how neither of you provided a link backing up your chosen story.
@Peter Evans Easily understandable what he is saying. He's saying your claim they proved the game was played form Fisher's location back in 1994 of this game played in 2000 is slightly implausible (or rather utter BS as it would require time traveling).
It was Fischer. Engines were crap back then and especially in the openings. The amount time it would take to calculate is also another giveaway it was not someone using an engine. Experts have came forward saying it was most likely Fischer, because it was most likely Fischer
yes, only Fisher would throw someone off their "game" and make them actually play, taunting and still win. It's such a joy to see him play, and such a tragedy that the man hates the game because of what it has devolved into--rote memorization. It may as well be classical piano, for all the creativity chess typically allows.
Rebel engine beat Viswanathan Anand three years prior to this and thats what we are probably seeing here. Few weird moves and after that engine takes the wheel.
@@TrippyDork But was Rebel engine running on a supercomputer back then to be Anand? It's a blitz game you need a real fast computer. Also people that cheat like to show off and so the same thing, why would they just stop after playing Nigel?
@@LordPrometheous I play some Classical piano, and comparing chess to it is actually spot on. At one time both required creativity, ingenuity, and even some genius. It just isn't the same today for both. People watch all these videos about kids who play these Classical songs -- and while it's impressive and takes intelligence/dedication, it's not some miraculous feat. Much like modern chess, it's just lots of practice and memorization. And I guess that explains why I lost my passion for both. Fischer really made it more of an art than anyone else I ever watched.
That isnt chess as we understand it. Neither any algorithm would ever do this. This is art in its pure essence.
@Peter Evans complete horseshit. Ask Nigel if he believes (now) if this was Fischer, this is all documented and online that he knows it wasn't him.
@Peter Evans as far as an engine not playing the king's moves.. correct. A human played the first moves of the game and the engine took over. And for the record, Fischer would never have played like this, he was a perfectionist and would not have played substandard moves.
@Peter Evans You know a person can just play the opening moves and then let the computer take over right? Also ICC didn't save IP address info on its servers so I don't know who you heard that from, but it's wrong.
Imagine being so good at the game that chess players can identify you just by your gameplay
I've seen it said in reputable chess books that the original board setup is a strong defensive position. IMHO, that's true, other than the weakness of the king bishop pawn. So Fischer (I believe it's him) opens by advancing that pawn, diddles around, and makes his opponent play chess without benefit of hundreds of years of opening theory. Brilliant! I think we all know that if the rules of chess were altered in some systematic way and a tournament was played five minutes later, Bobby Fischer would be the winner at any point in his adult lifetime.
Gotta get Fischer Random more publicity!
This is hands down the greatest excuse ever for losing a chess game.
Excellent! The best comment I've read in a long time! That WOULD be the greatest excuse - "Yes, ok, I did lose - but to Bobby Fischer!" Good one.
😂😂😂😂
A typical "Limes" they always make excuses for their losing ability.
@JediNxf7 You are also hilariously ignorant, by claiming that the rematch in 1992 was the "Disappointment of the century", go check how their first match went then. Nobody but yourself thought it was a Disappointment.
Also like the guy was saying, Nigel thought it was Fisher, because the reply was instant, INSTANT. This generation is marked by idiots like you who denegrade every human achievement or capacity and claim conspiracies, who do you think is more believable, Nigel or a nobody?
@@wizzi11able ?
Sometimes I come back to this video just to hear his "knoight"
strange, i never heard the "K"
It is always good to see FIscher's ganes. I like some of the book games, and it's also cool to see them on You Tube with commentators ideas. Thanks for sharing!
I am amazed by the passionate arguments going on in the comments. I play chess a lot but have no idea of the chess world at all so this is a bit of an education for me. I love the fact that even the more inane comments are relatively well written and coherant. Comment sections in most other youtube genres were starting to make my eyes bleed so I sought refuge here. I liked the commentary and the featured game. Thanks GM.
I've been playing chess and watching chess videos for a long time. Never have I cracked up laughing over chess the way I did watching the first few minutes of this video.
Them early moves would crack anyone up. I'm laughing at chess opening moves pleased someone else finds it as funny.
i just won a game like that online... i didnt know about this tho i was just trolling and end up wining.
Watch Nakamura's 6 knight checkmate
😂 😂 😂 😂
It was very interesting for sure I can imagine what was going through his opponents mind like how can I lose this game but sure enough 🤩
The Winston Churchill opening. He liked to step foot on the battlefield from time to time.
Littlewood's statement about Ramanujan rings a bell. He's 101 years dead today. Nice coincidence. It has to be Fischer. No engine would be crazy enough to come up with these moves!
all those King moves were cracking me up lol I laughed so hard at that LOL
Me2 :D
Why,?
Sounds like you also should have followed him outside the house every once in a while…
Fisher was genius, cannot take it away!
Thanks for posting this match
I'm so sad that we lost the man. He could have been the producer of so much more great chess.
That intro with cheesy music smoke and a drawn out knight animation, the use of comic sans and the VHS video wipes make me feel like I've traveled 30 years back in time.
Admit it, you just cannot handle defeat guys. Fischer was alive then. Did anyone even bother to ask him? According to those who actually played against him, he really was that good and didn't need to stoop to using a game engine. He even beat every single one of those, by the way, even those created by MIT.
"He was too good. There was no use in playing him. It wasn't interesting. I was getting beaten, and it wasn't clear to me why. It wasn't like I made this mistake or that mistake. It was like I was being gradually outplayed, from the start. He wasn't taking any time to think. The most depressing thing about it is that I wasn't even getting out of the middle game to an endgame. I don't ever remember an endgame. He honestly believes there is no one for him to play, no one worthy of him. I played him, and I can attest to that." -- Peter Biyiasas
"It was like I was being gradually outplayed, from the start", that line is your answer. And it is exactly what happens in the above game in the video. Fischer essentially gave him 3 free moves and still crushed him. Fischer was simply making it interesting after decades of boredom destroying grandmasters he considered noobs. Face it, when Fischer sat down he had already won, he was that many moves ahead.
Destin65 I agree a player like Fischer would have had a great deal of resentment and contempt for all of these modern Grandmasters who study test engines and memorize openings and paper 2500+ ratings. And I think Fischer showed it pretty convincingly in this game with Short complete disregard and utter disrespect for modern opening Theory with those King moves. If anything that looks like textbook consistent Fischer contempt that he had for most of the world for better or worse.
It was Bobby Fisher I am sure. He did it in 23 moves!
If I'm not mistaken Fischer did respond to this one with a categorical denial. I'm remembering reading something on Winter's "Chess Notes" chess history and information website. I may be confusing it with something else though.
No one is saying fischer couldn't do it. We just don't know if it was really him, or just an engine.
@schindler91589 well someone sure is passionate about this topic.
This game was insane! This has to be Bobby because only a genius could do that.
Just like in war..the king lead his army that made them motivated to win the battle!
Don't know how the hell this was recommended to me as I haven't watch any videos remotely close to chess, but go to be honest I am interested so I clicked.
Fischer not following the norm is what makes him "insane" but in a good way
There you go kids - no need to study openings at all 😁
lmao if you don't think this opening isn't well thought out, you didn't watch how black fucked white's positioning with purely waiting moves, leading to a safe king on black side, and a prevented castle on white's.
@@StoufSto blacks opening is terrible. There is a reason why that kind of opening is never ever played in competetive games, neither by computers or humans.
😆😂🤣🤣🤣
The famous "King Walk". Where would it rank here?
It was a timed game before every GM had learned all the odd opening tricks and variations like this. This opening if played right is still strong in class player blitz chess IMO - create a bizzare (disadvantageous but complicated) opening and hope to come out on top.
thanks for the video, Hope to see more
For anyone interested, this is called the Bong Cloud
Bong Cloud would be King and Queen switching positions wouldn't it?
@@iiLivingMeme That's Carlsen's improved Bong Cloud.
@@zombieperson3695 Magnus' improvement was the c3 move so he could transfer his queen around. I'm pretty sure Bong Cloud is just 1 e4 e5 2. Ke2
@@iiLivingMeme That's the transvestite ;)
The bling blaow Bobby bong cloud
imagine if fischer became a chess streamer
He would gave gotten all the subscribers
Probably banned very fast I think xD
Nice video, its entertaining the way you put this game over
I've never seen a chess engine use an opening like that. Even the strongest engines in the world use traditional openings, they just make calculated reactions to their opponents moves.
i just watched a carlsen game on chess online using this similar opening!! It's incredible to imagine how far ahead bobby was.
xD rofl
@@KillingfalkONroblox ok patzer
Watching Carlsen's games gives the same excitement as kissing ur sister
Fischer is the one player that really became the mysterious enigmatic figure of chess. Regardless of who really ever was the strongest human player of all time, the reclusive mysterious Fischer will always be mentioned.
We won't know... but it sure is a game worthy of being associated with Fischer
Nicely explained...thanks for the video
I'd love to see how OpenAI reacts to these king moves!
From 13:13 on the moves are just sick. Totally bionic death jaguar chess.
Thank you so much for this video!
Is there any way you can please do a similar analysis of the last game (game 8) of this 8-game match between "Fischer and Short" ?
Thank you again.
Nigel Short has said on several occasions that this was definitely not Bobby Fischer.
Bobby Fisher is part of the Chess History, like Capablanca, Alekhine, Botvinik, Karpov, Kasparov, and some others.
He kept saying "computer move". But does that really have a definition? Esp. considering the obscurity of engines back then.
I think it's just a move that doesn't necessarily make sense to a human. The computer will try to find the best move under the assumption that it will be playing against the best move.
@@fuckgoogle7314 I've never seen an engine reccomend anything close to this.
Bobby Fischer was the most brilliant chessplayer of all times.
What about MC?
@@magnafire1 😂 LMAO
I knew of these games long ago. But I never saw one annotated like this. Thanks!
You know it's Fischer when people call for cheaters
"And so this is a complete engine move..."
Come on... Maybe it's just the best move and Fischer found it. I was also looking for an use of this past-pawn since it's placed way ahead.
Call this opening "The Mad King," or "The Denethor Gambit."
I call it...the Dancing King...i do it all the time! ;)
Wayward king seems appropriate?
Once again CP, great presentation and explanation. We know Fischer hated the rise of the "Machines" as they only calculated, not created artful chess moves and thus inspired game play. I believe his brilliance was unrivaled, he was a man from my time, he was World Champion as he defeated Spassky in 1972...dates me a little.
I kind of understand his railing against the techno-mages, silicon wizards, calculation crunchers, electronic programmed minds almost always making the same move in the same positions, because that is what millions of nodes per second say is best. No romance, no creativity, no real style, causing we mere humans to doubt our "moves" because Silicon says this move is .47 centipawn better.
Yet they fascinate, educate, and beat the tar out of us each time we try, even the 2nd class engines now. I remember the joy of defeating the chess engine on my Radio Shack TRS80 computer almost 35 years ago! Look how far they have come, and how far we have gone...Thanks again CP for your excellent work...Your devoted attendee, Garry
Unfortunately Fischer also disappointed the world by absconding from the 1975 championship. What a great match that would have been.
Indeed seethegalaxy, the chess world was greatly diminished by Fischers absence. Perhaps the same great mind that made him a prodigy, also was the main cause of what appears to us as his "erratic" behavior. Genius is hard to be contained by the mundane and padantic. It has a "mind of its own" so to speak. it is easy to say what might have been, even harder to know it...Garry
Sin duda alguna Fischer fue un monstruo, muy adelantado a su tiempo y entre los años 1968 y 1972 exhibio un nivel similar al de Kasparov y Karpov 15 años despues, lo que lo hizo sobrepasar en unos 150 puntos ELO a los rivales de su epoca, pero ni siquiera Kasparov o Karpov hubieran humillado tanto a Nigel en Rapidas, esto fue en el año 2001 y 9 años antes, en su Match revancha con Spassky en 1992, jugo un ajedrez digno despues de 20 años de retiro pero estuvo a años luz de ser quien fue., cometio errores impropios y desperdicio varias posiciones ganadoras increibles ante un Spasski que ya no estaba ni entre los 100 jugadores top del mundo. Valoremos la leyenda pero no caigamos en excesos de idolatria. Hasta el posiblemente mejor jugador de la historia tambien era humano, acuso el paso del tiempo, no pudo ser el con 30 años de retiro y 58 años de edad quien se entretuvo con un GM de nivel mundial, y Short jugo contra un programa muy fuerte.
Wow! Beautiful clouds right after huge hits from the bong by Fischer.
That shows how awesome Fischer was. He had courage and incredible creativity. I think many current chess players who have practiced all computer openings so extremely, would offend him very quickly. And they would very quickly be helpless, because then they would lack these openings.
Obviously it's not a real Fischer's game lol
@@Rastoropny I think it is. Engines back then were not sophisticated enough to calculate this fast. Beyond that, many of the moves were not top engine moves. Add the fact that the opponent immediately knew the year when Fischer played an obscure match against a specific GM, and I think it's pretty likely to be Fischer.
@@SpiceWeazel Even Nigel Short retracted his statement and no longer claims it was Fischer. This comment section is full of idiots....
@@Rastoropny Why do you think it's not Fischer?
I remember in the early 2000s when this “Fischer” guest played on ICC. He didn’t only play Short. He played some other people too and he even let me play a few games against him. I remember I had shouted on ICC “Fischer is the greatest!” and the Fischer guest sent me a personal tell saying “Correct. Challenge me, son.” I chatted with him a bit too. I thought I had saved the games I played against him and also some games against other players but I’m not sure if I still have them. I’ll have to look again. I don’t believe this was Fischer and Fischer himself denied playing Short in a radio interview.
thank you so much for this intel Bobby.. I would be happy to know how you knew this was Fischer when this person did not play under any name? You also say Fischer denied playing Short in a radio interview.. Do we have any source for this so that I can look it up? Thanks once again.
I don't believe it was Fischer. I used to think it might be since lots of people were talking about him on ICC at that time and speculating that it might be, but after hearing the interview where Fischer denied it, I stopped believing it. I believe that I played the "Fischer guest" that Nigel Short played. I guess it's possible it could've been someone else, but the way Short described how this person talked is very similar to how he talked to me too. He also played the same openings where he’d start with something like 1.f3 and move his King around several times. And I remember after he played me he’d play other people too and I’d follow him to see the games. When he played GMs and IMs I think he always (or usually) requested that they log in as a guest. Maybe he didn’t want to attract too much attention. He must’ve been willing to play me since I used to say things like “Fischer is the greatest of all time!” I remember the excitement I had when I thought I was talking with Fischer and playing him.
Here's a link to part of an interview where Fischer denied playing chess online and against Nigel Short. th-cam.com/video/Um1Ji9MUqgo/w-d-xo.html
And here's a link about the rumor that Fischer played on ICC: en.chessbase.com/post/the-third-coming-of-bobby-fischer-
At the bottom of the page, you can click "Here are the games" to see other games that "Fischer" played against two other strong players on ICC.
Bobby Hall
fischer denied being jewish and being involved in the COG. So his his word was hardly worth anything
Did you win?
Bobby Hall He never really denied it. He just kinda downplayed it with response like, “he can say whatever he wants (referring to short)” He said that to either save Short some face or he just didnt want the media to be all up in his chess business again. Imagine the consequences for him if he did confirm it.
At 14:04 in the video, white king moves c1to d1. Black should play rook e4 to e1 . Hard to fathom anyone drawing this out any longer.
Wow that was amazing never seen so many king moves at the start I have subscribed on that alone
In his prime, Bobby dominated the world of chess world as nobody did before or has since, and he did so with out the input of engines. Unlike his Soviet School opponents, he had no school brimming with grandmasters to fall back on. In major tournaments during the days of adjournments, he relied mainly on his own analysis while his opponents used teams of grandmasters to work out the subtleties of adjourned positions. And still, in the end, he prevailed, creating some of the most beautiful chess games in the process. He was the greatest player of all time. Did he pay these bizarre internet games? There is little doubt he could have spotted Short an opening advantage this large and prevailed, but, given the paranoia he suffered late in his life, I doubt he would have spent much time on electronic devices.
Sanest comment on this thread.
Paranoia? According to who? The people Bobby told the truth about? Please. Bobby was very well read in Russian chess AND Russian history. And there is a certain “ethnicity” who butchered millions of people in the name of their ideology. And any mention of that truth gets the person smeared, and attacked by that same ethnicity. Bobby wasn’t crazy or paranoid, he was attacked for speaking the truth.
to put it in nietzsches words: this opening was beyond good and evil
Ya, it was a real hammer of the gods alright
As soon as Short played bishop's pawn to C4, Fisher knew he could bring the King out on the F file. I think this is because Fisher extensively studied and favored the English opening; he knew the major weakness of pawn to C4 as blocking the white bishop from forced moves.
I saw Game 6 on the mysterious player rumored to be Bobby and this is my 1st time seeing Game 2 and its MORE interesting imo than game 6. Great!
This wasn't Bobby Fischer.... I can tell by the rope a dope maneuver it was Muhammad Ali.
Dance like a knight, sting like a queen.
Mandela Effect Comedy Ali Bombaye!
The picture very much IS Bobby Fischer. It would seem he was already in Japan fighting extradition to the US for charges of violating sanctions against what was Yugoslavia at the time he played the 20 year anniversary of his '72 championship revisited. Fischer-Spassky II Sure paid a lot more. It was $5 million split two-thirds to winner, one-third to loser...So, He violated the sanctions even after the FBI said,"Don't do it". He said screw it and he won the match and the Serbian Billionaire engaging in ethnic cleansing and needing the positive attention of the "World Championships"(it wasnt sanctioned but Fischer said it was a deal breaker and so that is what they called it. So, he died in Japan a few years later of syphilis gained from endless nights with young Japanese 'ladies of the night'! The picture has him at late 50's, possibly 60.
Martin Whalley very little of what you wrote is true.
@@martinwhalley3286 While might not be true, its still quite entertaining. Nice story, bro.
If it wasn't Bobby, it was the Ghost of Steinitz!
brilliant analysis
Thanks chesspuzzler 🤗 pls play the games remaining up to game 8 thanks again for the memory of Bobby Fischer
WHAT A GENIUS ! what a game
This is where a really great world class GM lost to a pure genius!!!
it was short losing against an engine user
@@arkos1179 How are we to believe your claims, when you can't use basic punctuation, mate!
@@arkos1179 in early 2000s.. in blitz? uhhh.... no.. not even possible
@@mj2719 why
@@arkos1179Maybe the engines of the time did not have the processing power to calculate moves within the blitz time frame.
Unbelievable. Seriously amazing
Last blitz games of Bobby Fischer
1970 Herceg Novi - Unofficial World Championship of Lightning Chess (with Petrosian, Tal, Korchnoi) 19/22 (+17=4-1)
1971 Lightning Chess Manhattan Chess Club 21½/22 (+21=1)
1981 - 17 five-minute games with Canadian Grandmaster Peter Biyiasas. 17-0
"Short asked this player if he knew Armando Acevedo. The instantaneous response was "Siegen 1970." Fischer had played Acevedo at the Siegen Chess Olympiad in 1970. If a chess computer had been used Short reasoned the response would not have been instantaneous. This was sufficient to convince Short. So if we're going to speculate on this we should consider Short's own view. Also computers tend to stick to well known opening theories." That guy must have been a huge Fisher fan to remember one random match he had 30 years ago. All in all that could be possible, but I prefer to believe that Fisher crushed some of the greatest players back then by avoiding theory openings and by doing that forcing his opponents to play his game, which is more about tactics than theory.
Good comment. It is possibly the case that at the time these games were being played Short was not publicly speculating the identity of his opponent. Therefore his opponent may not have known that he was being thought of as Fischer, making the Acevedo response all the more impressive. I really don't know enough about this to be sure though.
I'm laughing so hard at that opening, I can't even breath
I saw an interview with Fischer (on YT) where he outright stated he disliked Chess and despised book openings. I could see him doing something like this.
Enjoyed this
K e6 ah yes The "Middle Finger" defense
The question, "Any idea how Fischer continued here?" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard a chess commentator say.
thats the most entertaining chess commentary I've every heard
Brilliant idea, in a artistic point of view anyway. It makes me want to play one more game !
P.S. no engine would even do this!
If the game was in 2001 then it would be very hard to play blitz at this speed against a GM and survive. No engines in 2001 could play a blitz game that well and fast with such unorthodox moves. It is possible but very unlikely. As unlikely as the possibility of Fischer being the other player. I am not convinced either way.
I am not sure why people find the battle King in blitz so crazy? It is actually used as a distraction opening in prison by guys that have been sitting playing Chess daily for 40+ years. Blitz only though
very nice video GM Thechesspuzler
Oh my god, what a move! I wish Magnus and Bobby had the chance to play against each - both their peaks against peaks.... only a wish....
U mean they gonna play bongcloud like how hikaru and magnus played.
"Bishopp"
That opening is some pretty epic trolling.
Fischer was a colossus. Like a Michelangelo. A fantastic genius.