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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- Demonstrates how to set up a MIDI foot controller to manage mutes across Channels, Buses and FX Returns from the stage on a Behringer XR18 digital mixer.
Using an expensive PEAK MIDI Controller was my solution for allowing controller over mixer parameters.
Old video but still relevant. Helped me set up some midi controlled mute groups for my FX. I play guitar/run sound for our band. This will help me from running to the board between songs when we chat with the crowd.
Thank you!
This video is amazing. Thanks so much for sharing this info, JMK!
Thanks a lot, first video that is 100 % clear how to do this !
Well done..thanks!
Nicely done, Joe! I've got a StudioLogic MP117 by Fatar, which is a one and a half octave MIDI footpedal I used to simulate Taurus pedals in a Zeppelin tribute band. i'm going to give it a try.... and I also have a couple Digital Music Corp (now Voodoo Labs) Ground Control pedals that don't look as cool, but will work. These can be found often for $50 to $80 used if someone needs a used 12-button controller. We used three of them for lighting control several years back, with a MIDI Merge pedal from MIDI Solutions, so any of us could make changes to the light show. Thanks for the information!
All joking aside Joe king this is a great vid. Get it, get it?
Is your MIDI foot controller connected by MIDI to the XR18, or to your tablet via USB MIDI? Also which app are you using - X AIR or Mixing Station? I thought the MIDI setup has to be done on the app (in the MIDI settings pages), not only on the MIDI foot controller.
It was connected directly to the XR18's MIDI DIN. There are settings that enable the MIDI receive channel of the XR18, yes. I believe that was all I had to set. Not sure if I had to set those via the App or the desktop software, but the configuration is stored in the XR18 itself once this is done and you don't need to have the app or software connected, just the MIDI Controller straight into the XR18.
Hello Joe. Video very helpful, but I have another challenge and hoping you can help me out. I’m the drummer, sound tech and front man, so I want a simple way to MUTE the effects on my MR18. Part of my drum kit is the good old Alesis D4, so I’d like to mute the effects by quickly hitting a drum pad and save the time of reaching over to my MacBook and mouse over to the mute tab. I have read the Alesis manual, but I have never used midi in all my years of playing, so I could really use some ideas. Thanks so much.
First thing you want to know is if the Alesis can send MIDI commands out in response to hitting a drum pad.
If it can do that, then you also want to know if the command is one that the mixer recognizes.
There are different kinds of commands and a drum module more typically deals with Note Commands. There are ways to convert a Note Command into any other command using an additional box called an Event Processor.
Then you also have to figure out how to make it toggle (assuming you want to MUTE and then UNMUTE).
The easiest thing to do would be to get the smallest MIDI Stomp Box you can find capable of transmitting and toggling any sort of command and use that instead (you'd have to step on a switch). I can point you to the Morningstar MC-3 as a possible option.
Actually, since you are a drummer, you might also be interested in JMK CLOCKstep. It can do the necessary MIDI Toggle Command, plus it also syncs the timing of synths, performs count-ins and also sends out notes for having a metronome/click track. But if you don't want any of that, then the Morningstar MC-3 definitely.
Disclaimer, I make the CLOCKstep.
@@jmkmusicpedals Thanks so much! I see that now; my D4 produces note commands, so I will look into an event processor. Hitting a drum pad is my preference, but if I can’t get that to work, the midi switches you mentioned will do the trick. Really appreciate your time.
You mention understanding CC numbers from 0-31 by just looking at the mixer. Could you plz offer more detail? Also, is it possible to mute one effect while unmuting another with one button?
I think I said that just because the CC numbers count up in the order that that tracks are? It's been a minute since I made this video. You should have no problem programming a single switch to MUTE 1 track and UNMUTE another if your MIDI Controller allows it.
Wow, so helpful Thanks!
Hi Joe, I'm ready to buy one, but at the last minute someone said the FCB4X WILL work, but the FCB2N will not. Can you advise?
Can you please recomend me a compact midi pedal controler (like 4 or 5 switchs) with a trigger function to on and of the mute with the same switch? I just whant to do these. mute and unmute fx channels of muy x32 compact and x32 rack (for live). Thanks
The one in the video by Peak, or look at the one by Morningstar.
@@jmkmusicpedals but in the video with the one by peak you can only on the mute with one switch and off with another switch no? Or you can do on and off with the same switch? Do you know also how to map the x18 or x32? Is there any info about it?
@@leonimpala4808 You want one that can perform Toggle actions. The updated Peak controller does that (the one they sell now in this same size) and definitely the Morningstar one. There are others, but those are the most affordable at a smaller size.
I think the cheapest way to do this would be a used Behringer FCB1010 with a uno chip
thats what im thinking, but couldn't find any code for that...
@@snowkingcro you just need to program the cc send codes into the FCB (using an editor on pc which is much easier than editing it on the device): behringerwiki.musictribe.com/index.php?title=8._MIDI
hi Joe how r u doing? do you know if it s possible to command like this with a airturn bt 200 s6 via the tablets ? thanks (mode 7 airturn command midi device)
Good video- can you make it so the button press turns off ALL of the effects on all channels, or will it only work on one input channel (so, one mic for example)?
I think if you want to turn off all effects for all channels, you can just send a command to mute each of the fx returns. There are 4 of them, so you may have to send 4 commands. I haven't tried that.
Great info!
Great video! Do you know if there would be anyway to program a similar set up using the Roland SPD-SX?? It would be great to tap vocal effects on and off by just hitting a pad
I don't think so. I took a quick look at the SPD-SX MIDI section in the manual and I believe it can only send a MIDI Note # in response to a pad hit.
Hi Joe, thanks for the info! I have a tricky question coming your way.
My band and I will be running backing tracks through a Cymatic utrack 24 into the X32, all in our rack. Do you know if it’s possible to make the effects on the x32 trigger in and out automatically using the Cymatic?
The feature list for Cymatic says that it can playback standard MIDI files, so presumably you could have a MIDI "song" file with the commands embedded to control the x32 at a specific time in the song.
@@jmkmusicpedals amazing! And thank you for the swift reply! Subbed
Thank you for this great video, just what I was looking for. I currenly use snapshots on the ipad app to unmute for live and mute all FoH but keep in ears live for fiddling things. Is there a way to map midi buttons to the snapshots?
I haven't seen any sort of MIDI implementation focused on loading settings, just dynamic controls of the channels. I may have to look again when I get a chance ...
Okay, grabbed the manual and it seems loading snapshots should be a breeze. Just send the MIDI Program Change command, 1-64, to load any of the 64 snapshots. You can do that with even the most basic of MIDI foot controllers.
Greetings Joe.
Im looking for this response!.
One question, what manual its that one you are looking for the midi parameter, the xr18, suppose...
Thanks!.
Hello Joe King!! One cuestion! Is posible to change the midi channels of the Beringer? For examplo, as i can see the mute is in the channel 2 by default but i have other device in this channel. Can i change to the number 6 for the mute in the beringer or i need to leave the CH 1, 2, and 3 always free for the mixer? Becuase i have 1, 2 and 3 already busy and the Beringer will recibe also these CC parameters now. What i supouse it will be a problem..
I haven't found any information about how to change MIDI Channels, sorry. If you absolutely must do that, try the MIDI Solutions Event Processor. It's a little box that allows you to remap MIDI passing through it in a bunch of ways.
@@jmkmusicpedals dou you know if i can send moore than one CC parameter at the same time steping one switch with the MIDI Solutions Event Processor or PEAK MIDI?
@@chemaleon7882 Yes, you can do that with either the PEAK or the Morningstar. The Event Processor will allow it to happen too.
@@jmkmusicpedals Hi Joe, I have an old Midi Solutions Midi Foot switch controller box. The owner of MS said it should work, but even using his midi tool, I can't make it happen. I'm getting pretty desperate to get this working. I just need to mute the effects from going out front between songs. Only two of us speak between songs. You don't mention which exact model Morningstar or Source Audio. I can't even find a Fcb4n2. I must have programmed a hundred times into that MS pedal and almost had a heart attack when I finally saw a fader go up and down! Any suggestions for me?
Joe, this is exactly what I want! Would you be willing to sell one? I have the XAir16. ~Rob
Selling the MIDI pedal? You can buy one (many options) that'll do this kind of thing. For the one I use in the video, search for PEAK MIDI pedals or try a newer brand, Morningstar for something more compact.
Thanks, specifically I was looking for one already programmed for channels 1 and 3 (our vocal mics on our XAir16) - to be able to speak.
No promises, but if you get the PEAK, Morningstar or maybe the Source Audio controller, I can help you. If you want to cover my costs over paypal, I can buy one of the units, program it and send it to you with an initial set of programmed commands.
Can this be setup for tap delay also?? Thanks
I didn't see any way in the xr18 to control tap tempo of an effect over MIDI.
Dang, Thanks
That could be really useful!
I have a similar 4 button footswitch but I don't think it's reprogrammable. (H&K FSM432 mkII). Is it possible to reconfigure the XR18 to match the cc output of the pedal. Sorry, I'm not very familiar with MIDI and don't know the correct terminology.
There is a solution for tap delay. Not direkt tapping, but setting the delay time value is posible via SysEX. So you can tab in an arduino and send the result to the mixer.