Is the Ford Fusion Sport Faster Than a BMW?
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They didn't even have it in Sport mode. Entire comparison done with the car not run being in its performance mode. Ridiculous.
@hon solo it’s not about it winning per say it’s to get max performance out of the car dumbass
This review seemed pathetic . I'm sure that the BMW would be quicker , but two seconds .
So, you didn't even put the Ford in sport mode....
Agreed. First thing I noticed
LoL... No shit! I've spanked quite a few BMW turds in my fusion sport and I've gone all the way up to 140 with them... Afterward, they pulled up to me and said "WTF!"... A couple Colorado high-ons here..
Sport mode will not make any vehicle accelerate quicker, that’s a fact. It just makes the car hold revs in each gear and creates the feeling of being quicker. Plus at near 5300 ft doesn’t help. 91 octane drops the power in Ford’s by 10-14 hp. So this Fusion was near 305 hp and torque gets a bigger hit, down to 350 from 380 lb ft.
@@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq Uhhh, no... Do you own a Fusion Sport? I do. Read the owners manual. I also am friends with the guys at Livernois Motorsports here in Detroit, the people who offer performance tuning programming for this vehicle; we've talked... Sport mode does change the shift parameters like you mentioned, but it also changes the programming in the ECU which effects the timing/spark curve, fuel injection, the turbo boost levels and it even effects the brakes, steering ratios and how the shocks/suspension works. Yes, the octane level of the fuel will effect the ECU programming changes Sport mode will do to SOME degree because spark knock sensors will only allow a level of timing changes which will not damage the motor. BUT, the differences from 93 to 91 are fairly minor and there is also ZERO WAY you or anyone can accurately quantify the HP realizations from either fuel in ANY CAR without the use of a dyno. The 5300' of elevation (is that what you meant?) is pretty much a moot point in this comparison since both cars would experience the same thinner-air effects. If altitude IS that big of a deal, then maybe ANY performance reviews these 2 idiots have done is pretty much a waste of time as well? BTW, the suspension improvements in sport mode alone would have made the Fusion perform much better in this particular video since they were timing the cars on a road course. Also, these idiots obviously have a bias for the BMW in the first place which is self evident simply by their personal comments throughout this waste of a time video. I also find it interesting that your personal channel has ZERO content and yet you have 21 subscribers...? Do people just like looking at your blank page? Or, are you one of the guys in this video who created a ghost account, so you can make more ill-informed/idiot supporting posts like this? LoL...
PJS50 u won that
Pretty darn biased, and the fusion not in sport? I expect more from you guys!
BMW was not in Sport Mode either. Hold the button down on the BMW for 10 seconds and it goes into full track mode.
@@mikegabler5124 note ( full track mode )
@@mikegabler5124 u gobble wieners for a living.
Another commenter has you dead to rights. The Fusion Sport didn't get a 0-60 run in Sport mode, only D. The performance difference is significant. This is bad reporting to be honest.
Brad Laue 0-60 doesn't actually differ much between D and S.
Higher RPM shift points, quickened gear changes, uh yes it does. Sure it's higher elevation, and sure that degrades performance in n/a and turbo engines. But look at the BMW, it didn't suffer badly.
The transmission position will not make an automatic any quicker in actual performance times. That's a fact.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts. When the programming logic in normal drive mode is softened for ease and comfort, it's going to be slower than the programming logic in sport mode which is designed to achieve faster lockup and faster shift completion times.
Sport mode won't make the car any quicker. It just changes shift points and holds revs. Anyone with half a brain knows that.
When you hold the brake torque that long in the Fusion Sport it cuts power to protect the drive train. That didn't help that 0-60 time out. I have timed 4.9 seconds to 60 with my fusion sport.
My fusion does this as well
So basically the host didn't know how to drive.
@@curiousnomadic no these kids are lying this car stock does 0 to 60 in 5.8 to 6.2 sec depending on barometric pressure and temperature so either their cars are moded or they are lying but im pretty sure they're lying its the internet ya know people lie all the time on it
Stop lying my man
@@mik55tv22 Yeah after thinking about it a little longer it's hard to believe that BMW 3 series was able to do 0-60 that fast. Has to be modified. Maybe if it were an Mcoupe, but it's not. I mean some youtubers were talking about the Fiesta ST being faster than the 2003 BMW M3. I couldn't believe it. Really? Maybe with the relatively affordable performance kit that makes the little bugger faster than a hell cat but not stock.
Something is wrong with that launch. My 2.0 ecoboost in my Fusion Titanium does 0-60 in 6.8. I've seen other videos where the 2.7 V-6 EB does it in under 6. And the EB sounds nothing like a tractor LOL. I love BMW but this is not a good review of the Fusion Sport.
Mine too these guys are weak
It’s cuz they didn’t put it in sport mode smh
It's a joke comparing two cars that are 20k apart in price. Especially when the driver is biased.
These two are 10k in price or less.
Price shouldn’t mean nothing it’s wgat in the car
@@anthonythornton6782 then the prices means everything a more expensive car means better everything
@@thebiggestfish2 I wouldn’t say that tbh
Why didn't you guys have the Ford Fusion in sport mode?
Sponsored by BMW
why did't you guys leave it in sport mode
I own a Ford Edge sport, which is based on the Ford Fusion chassis. Their very similar in performance and you can certainly keep up with that BMW. However you need to shift the transmission to S for sport mode. Other wise your not moving as fast as you can be. It makes a huge difference
What are you talking about? A Ford Edge chassis is a suv 😂😂
@@rileymoody7053 1. you don't know what your talking about. Google ford cd4 platform. 2. Who comments on videos from four years ago. 🤡.
@@colinandkieragriffith834lol 😆 😂 😂
I'm guessing you ran the fusion in Drive as opposed to Sport. Sport mode changes the shift points to a much more aggressive curve. It also does it automatically or you can use the paddle shifters if you want. The reason they (paddle shifters) didn't work on the track was because you had it in drive (D), not sport mode (S) on the PRNDL.
On my fusion I put it in drive when the family is aboard and Sport when I'm going solo... it's like two different cars in each mode.
My 2017 0-60 time 4.6 on 93. Ripped apart a Audi s4 on the expressway, or, he was too scared to go over 140 mph. I’ve had up to 157!!! Love the car. Let me have ago at the bmw. Better be some kind of M series.
If you look at the video most of this was done in normal drive mode and not in SPORT mode which remaps the engine and changes the handling and suspension and the traction control was not disabled. Also best launch point is 2500-3000 and you can run 5.4's or better 0-60's all day.
The fusion sport definitely has potential being fitted with the 2.7 ecoboost. Something people don't understand is the fusion's competition isn't high end sports sedans. And because of that, ford tuned the car to have best in class power and torque, but to also have decent fuel economy as well since ford markets the ecoboost line up as a efficient engine alternative that doesn't sacrifice performance. So with that being said, a flash tune does a great job at waking the car up.
Mile above sea level or not the Fusion is faster than that, like way faster. I never timed my Sport but its quick. Most magazines and reviews I seen got this car to 60 in the low 5s and some high 4s. Also they never mentioned this car weighs a whopping 4200lbs! This test so was biased it aint even funny, lost some respect from TFL on this video
Based on this, they deserve no respect at all.
I never thought I'd see TFL do a biased review. Put 93 in it, keep it in Sport mode, then compare.
thecomputerman100 They don't have 93 there. Did you watch the video? Also the beamer had the same 91 octane. S mode wouldn't have knocked off 2 seconds to match the bmw.
If I didn't watch the video, how would I have known they didn't put 93 in it? That was a stupid question.
If they don't have 93 there, then it's pointless to do the video. The Sport gets its full power, supposedly, off of 93, according to Ford. And if you've ever researched these cars, you would know that putting it in Sport mode would make a difference. The car does 0-60 in 5.3 seconds. They got 6.82. It was an unfair match.
Hell, even I'm wrong. The test from Motor Trend uses 91 as well. So, the only problem here is not putting it in Sport mode.
thecomputerman100 Well then why would you tell them to use 93 then? Knowing they don't have it! Are they supposed to drive to a different state to get it? Also they are way above sea level. All cars are going to be slower. Are they supposed to drive to sea level to race them? Even if both of those scenarios did come true for you the fusion would have still lost. Not putting the fusion down just stating facts.
If they wanted to conduct a proper test, yes, they would need to find 93 somewhere. I figure that's common sense, but I see common sense isn't a strong suit for most. The problem isn't even 93 gas, since Motor Trend's test was also on 91 octane, and they got 5.3 seconds out of it. They needed to put it in Sport mode to get the best out of it. Case closed.
I have a sport and it seems much faster especially the zero to 60 time. I'm wondering if they had the sport performance button selected? It makes a big difference.
LOL. So your first shot is S mode then actual drive is D mode.
S mode is sport mode bruh
@@darshacochran if you watched the video you would agree with Blex
Why was the fusion in drive and not sport mode? It would have made it faster on the track time and 0-60 time in sport mode. Redo this comparison with the fusion in sport mode and watch it be very similar to the BMW. Not a fair comparison when the fusion is not in sport mode in either comparison to reach it maximum power.
Ryan Edwards A FWD/AWD car won't be similar to a RWD/AWD car the BMW has 50/50 weight distribution the Fusion does not. It won't handle at all the same.
Wrong Ross. I own a Fusion and there is a major difference in 0-60 times in S mode versus D mode.
zip89105 I'm talking about track not 0-60. Anyways the Fusion Sport 0-60 with 93 octane is 5.3 sec so it still would've been slower especially 1 mile above sea level. I do think the BMWs 0-60 was about on par going 0.3 sec slower or so. I'm sure it would've been a lot quicker in S mode and on 93 octane than the 6.8 or whatever they got though.
Ryan Edwards if you really want a good mid sized sedan for the same, around $42,000 price, then just get the Chevy SS. It’ll out perform the fusion with both cars in sport mode
cody mundell the same?! I paid wayyyy less than 42 fo my 17 sport
I personally own a Fusion Sport and can tell you from experience that if you boost launch and take more than a second the Ecm will cut power...Sport mode or not that car is closer to 5.2. I know because I frequently drag race mine and had to go through the learning process.
Car & Driver's test sheet says "brake torque and sport mode does nothing"... www.caranddriver.com/reviews/tested-2017-ford-fusion-sport-review
...alluding to the possibility that extended boost launches hamper acceleration times.
I'm willing to bet most of the people commenting here, especially the ones questioning the driver's ability, have never even been to a drag strip... so I doubt they realize how many factors can influence a car's acceleration. (yes, I have hundreds of time slips)
Extended boost launches do cut power to this car. Car and driver didn't wait to figure out that since they don't own the car. I do own one and have made several passes. The way to get the fastest time is to do a quick flash on the brake torque and go. I also have hundreds of time slips.
My fusion 2.0 if you brake boosted it too long it did actually cut power and take longer to accelerate.
ragingbull94mtx; If that's true, then why was the sport mode disconnected? No 1 goes to drag strips anymore especially BrokebackMountainWimps.
Fusion starts at 34k and the 340i starts at 45k so how is this a fair comparison plus the zero to 60 was done in drive not sport your clearly doing a biased review 💁🏾♂️
You're right. The initial picture showed S, but the actual timed sequence was in D. Even with my 2.0T there is a major difference in shift points with Sport mode.
zip89105 my parents purchased the 2.0T fusion a few months ago, and I agree. In sport mode the twinturbo v6 would have done better. Even the 2.0t is a quick car.
Yeah, and the Fusion is a fwd econobox and the BMW is a proper RWD sports sedan with an amazing ZF8 Auto and the option for a 6 speed. You get what you pay for.
with a nicer interior, arguably the best infotainment system on the market etc. Yes, you are paying a slight premium for the Rondel badge, but you're also getting a better product in terms of premium-ness and comfort.
It would be like comparing a Ford to a lincoln as well, except Lincoln really has nothing on BMW lol
I've driven a 330i and it's not all that interior was mediocre at best and I honestly hated the infotainment
Guys, the Ariel footage, all the different angles; they all blended seamlessly. You guys are stepping it up slowly each and every day. Keep up the good work guys!
I got 4.5 in my fusion Sport, don’t break torque that long ever it will cut your power because it’s programmed to protect the engine😊
6.2 0-60 for the fusion? That's not right
+Nick Henry We are at a mile above sea level and all vehicles (even turbocharged) struggle with less air density.
The Fast Lane Car Than I wonder how fast a 340i would be at the sea level.
And you launched in "D" mode not sport mode. Shift points are lower RPM, there was a lag around 50-60 mph. DO OVER.
Lungu Gabriel It around 4.2-4.3 with the MPPK.
NS I find 4.7-4.8 on internet. Anyway, impressively fast for a car with just 330 hp. I remember my Jaguar S Type R needed 5.2-5.3 seconds and it had 400hp and lots of torque and this BMW has a lot less power.
I've recorded my 2.0t awd fusion at 6.7 0-60. Bullshit on that 6.8 sec time
The fusion looks so good.
Curious why you didn't run the 0-60 in sport mode, you would have gotten a much better time. The Fusion Sport is a whole different animal in sport mode. Additionally I don't believe you can find another mid/full size sedan with this power and performance for under $40k. Sure it's not a track car, but for a daily drivers it's a whole lot of fun. In my book it's hot.
That Ford 0-60 is rubbish. I know you're at a mile above sea level. Tell me you didn't put 85 octane in it. Probably was pulling timing like crazy. Looking back at the Solo screen 3.53 to 40, but an additional 3.29 to get another 20 mph. Something isn't right. I think you had a sick Ford that day.
1Fast GXP I said the same thing. I'm sure the fusion was broken in some way. In this run it made like 250 hp
The Fusion 0-60 was done in D mode. The video initially shows S mode, but the actual run was done in D mode.
zip89105 good eye. You are absolutely right.
At 1 mile above sea level, they got the same 0-60 that BMW reports on their website at 4.8 seconds for the two wheel drive model, probably at an altitude much closer to sea level. For the all wheel drive model I think it is rated by BMW as 4.6, so not much slower. The Ford on the other hand is a dog both in acceleration and handling. BMW underrates their engines and Ford overstates them like everyone else.
123abc as mentioned elsewhere the Ford was disadvantaged by being in D rather than sport mode. As an owner of one of these I can verify there is a distinct difference in launch time between the two modes - C&D measured the Fusion Sport as a 5.1 second car.
0 to 60mph in 6.8? The 2.0L Ecoboost can do it in that time. Motor week got theirs to 60mph in 5.3seconds. I think you guys are playing favorites.
Did the fusion get put in advanced track sport mode before you guys ran it.
Thumbs down. The Fusion is in D mode. There is a major difference in shift points between D & S modes. Rigged test for BMW in my honest opinion.
Despite my complaining about the Fusion being in drive mode, I just saw another video of a 2017 Sport at sea level and the best of two 0-60 runs, one in D mode & the other in Sport mode, was around 6.3 seconds, with the D mode run appearing to be quicker! So I'll remove my thumbs down and give this review a thumbs up.
Can you provide your independently verified, falsifiable and
peer-reviewed data that demonstrates a necessary bias? Do you have the
relevant data or are you just whining because you don't like the
results? One is an intellectually honest position, the other is a
text-based temper tantrum and is extremely fallacious. Odd. Why not show
your work?
Shift points won't make the car any quicker.
Sure they will. Go hop in a car and shift at 1500rpm and come back and tell me how long it took to get to 60mph.
xebek - Can you comment on a video without being a jerk?
It's so obvious that these guys just wanted to poke fun at the Fusion from the get go. That little midget UK Stig wannabe didn't drive the car the way he did the Bimmer and pretty much all he did was berate the Fusion even though it's nearly 20,000 less than the comparable BMW. There is no way that a car with 325hp and AWD is that slow to 60mph. Maybe it had something to do with that pathetic baby launch.
Agreed. Look at the discrepancy of 2 seconds to 60mph, yet the Fusion trails by only 3 seconds on the road course. If the Fusion was constantly 2 seconds slow to 60mph it would have trailed by 20 seconds on the road course. Biased test. A new low for TFL.
I agree, He was shoving that BMW around the track, look how it hopped on the one turn, the fusion he was driving as if he was on a Sunday drive on a back road. Complete biased bullshit test. Never understood why the press doesn't like the fusion sport
Have you ever driven one? Press doesn't like it because it's a POS for it's price. That's the type of performance you get with a V6 Accord and Altima for 26k.
Rizwan Javed I own a fusion sport man. I've driven 3.5 maximas and camrys. None of em match the performance of my sport by a long shot. Not saying the accord or Camry or the altima are bad cars but it's proven they are no match to the fusion sport
Can you provide your independently verified, falsifiable and peer-reviewed data that demonstrates a necessary bias? Do you have the relevant data or are you just whining because you don't like the results? One is an intellectually honest position, the other is a text-based temper tantrum and is extremely fallacious. Odd. Why not show your work?
I really like the new Fords.
For the money you spent you get a really nice car.
You can clearly do better with lets say an BMW
But with the premium brands you pay extra for every bolt-on.
The Fords are just amazing bang for the bug.
Ice Lord I agree I'm strongly considering buying a fusion sport this Saturday for 28k exactly brand new no miles 17 clearance is hell of a deal for new car and against anything else at same price new
I just went to the Ford site and they say the Ford Fusion Sport starts at 33K. Is this 41k because of the sport tire option?
Immediately I noticed on the 0-60 that the bmw was in sport mode with the traction control off. The fusion was in drive with traction control on during its 0-60 run. What’s the deal with that?
You guys need a better driver he's so inconsistent no reason a Polaris slingshot should out lap a mustang gt or that a hellcat out laps the f type r I don't know your personal relationship with this guy but strictly speaking a better driver shouldn't be hard to find.
+Robert Smith Paul is the former Stig from Top Gear USA. We could not have a better driver. Just because you don't like the results, don't blame the driver.
The Fast Lane Car I'll accept your sassy attitude and reject your results and that will be all I do
The Fast Lane Car Remember like 20 years ago when Infiniti used a naked midget driver in a stripped down Q45 to get their advertised 0-60 claim? Lol. I may be misremembering that story somewhat!
Robert Smith it's a small track calm down sassy
Robert Smith driver ain't incosistent he just put out times you don't want to hear that's all
I think a better test would be the Lincoln MKZ. 3.0 TT against the BMW.
that's a good one
Lincoln is better
Why are we comparing Ford's top of the line engines to basic BMW standard engines? Run an M3.
@@ChadFreeman757 4.0 liter isn't the standard in the 3 series. If you run an M3 you should run a GT350R
Dan Streazy there isn’t a 4.0 liter in their lineup period. The 340i has a 3.0 liter n55 twin scroll in it. But it’s a lower tier of the same model. There’s a 320i, 330i, 340i, & M3. (these cars are also available in 4 series) The M3 is the top of the line performance model of that class. The fusion sport is the top of the line performance model of it’s class. Unfair comparison from the start. & the M3 also has a 3.0 liter twin scroll. It’s an S55. If you’re gonna run a gt350, match it with an M6 (F80)
How do you manage to add a second to 0-60 time?
I don't get why or wasn't on sport mode for a launch?
They might as well put the Ford in eco mode to try to save some gas in that 0 to 60 and I guarantee you he had it in drive while doing the fast lap which is why the paddles were not working properly try to make the car look a little shittier!
I love my Fusion Sport
I was wondering when you guys will do the Fusion Sport!
I had heard that boost would mitigate the effect of altitude . So how did you get a time to 60 of 6.8 seconds ? Something is bogus here .
My Fusion Sport launches a lot quicker than that on Goodyear eagles and 91 octane. I don't think that was done right.
Brad Laue or it's just a slow car?
Dan Bedard next to a 340? lol
Brad Laue a 340i is 4.8 to 60... so yes lol
I'll give the BMW the 4.8 but like CareerFireman says the Sport is a 5.1 - 5.2 second car without a tune - these guys did something wrong.
Brad Laue or the car is not tuned well from the factory. It is mass produced and tested at altitude after all
Come on ! Nobody cross-shops a Ford Fusion (whatever the trim) with a BMW 340.
Kaityn Kuang I mean most of the people I know who used to own Jags, and Bmws including my parents and grandparents now own Ford's and Toyota's . Want to know why? Because they last, my grandparents had a original early 90s explorer and it was still running in 2011 with no issues when it got totaled,they now own a 2004 explorer again still have it and it's had no issues, my 2017 explorer has already had better reliability than my cousins 2017 pilot and my brother's 2015 pathfinder,both of which are having transmission problems. My grandma's 2003 Camry has only had to have a few things fixed, etc. Basically although something like a Toyota or a Ford obviously don't carry a perception of brand prestige,they work and sometimes people would rather just have the luxury of peace of mind rather than the luxury of hand stitched heated and cooled seats with 50 massage options.
I know. I had a 1999 Camry V6 that ran for 260k until I sold it. People who buy BMWs aren't thinking about practicality. If you buy a BMW328 it will do zero to sixty maybe a few tenths faster than an Accord V6 or Camry V6 but easily cost $20k more and be less reliable in the long run. So if value proposition is what one cares about it does not make sense to buy a luxury car (unless maybe it is something super-reliable like a Lexus). The BMW name holds different intangible value to different people. A lot of people when they were younger wanted a BMW but had to "settle" for something else due to financial reasons. WHen they actually made enough money they are going to go get a BMW not a Ford or Honda or Toyota.
It is the same way with the Hyundai Genesis sedan. It is targeted at BMW5 series and Mercedes E-class buyers but again nobody cross-shops an Hyundai Genesis with those 2 cars.
And regarding Toyotas, nobody makes more reliable cars than Toyota. Engine and transmission are UNBREAKABLE. Even at 260k my Camry did not burn oil at all, transmission required no maintainence other than a flush every 60k (about 80 bucks).
May the track time for the Ford above is embarassing...slower than a Scion FRS and Honda Civic SI, two cars that cost some 20k less...
Puff the Magic Dragon idk my 2016 fusion transmission is going bad already. it may be faulty, but its slipping and last week it somehow stalled out.
I have an edge sport and one thing I notice when I try to boost launch is that its a dog when I let go of the brake. BUT if I just smash the gas on the green light it goes like a bat out of hell. In the video it really brake torques it. I think its the ford programming pulling power to prevent transmission damage since it has awd. I am speculating based on my personal experience with the same engine but in a different vehicle.
As for the octane, I would assume that they could get 91 no? If so even at elevation, turbos basically compensate for the high altitude and should still run slightly slower times compared to same fuel at sea level.
last week, chased a bmw 3 type drown hy 1 from panoramic hy to the flats just above and north of muir beach... i was ib sport mode, never left 3rd gear.. and the bmw hard... he finely pulled over and let me pass him . in my 2014 ford fusion se w/ 18 inch wheel and lux package... as i passed him. he got on my tail but after a short run down the mountain side//he backed off..... was it the car or the driver?on a combo of each that let the fusion out run and handle the what looked like to be a 2020 bmw 330i.... then again i have taken 3 driving schools 2 at sonoma raceway, and one at laguna raceway
Why buy a Ford if you can afford the BMW? Anyways The first thing that I would do to that Fusion is put a Livernois tune on it and unchain that motor. It's certainly capable of so much more.
Why buy a bmw when itll be worth pennies after a few years. Its a half assed lux car thats stitched and held together by buttons. Get a Lexus or a Merc instead
Fusion Sport 0-60 in D mode when this should have been done in S mode.
Sorry but this is a biased test. Paid by BMW? Bleh.
Wish you did a comparison chassis dyno between the 2...nice run
How did you get a 6.82? Everyone else gets 5.2 to 5.6 in that same car.
Was this a broken fusion? Awd and that much power , still can't get under 6 sec 0-60. Unless it's the good old American transmission gearing? 100 mph in second gear lol.
The Fusion was tested in D mode, not Sport mode. Rigged test.
zip89105 oh okay. I still want to believe that the fusion was broken , rather then the test being rigged. Tfl needs to clear this up
I don't expect the Fusion to take the BMW, but I'd like to see a proper test.
Emilthehun The mile above sea level..
Nick Motsarsky lol its a boosted car. And after I posted this , I watched other youtube channels testing the same car. Motor week even got so wheel spin out of it.
Bad review
I have a 2008 ford fusion AWD sel model , it goes 0 - 100 in 5 seconds with 91 octane , been bagging it for 140,000 miles to see how long it last , exspensive expieiment for sure , but fun as hell
this fusion/mondeo is amazing front looking, it has great agressive lines but it is elegant. Even my fave car is alfa romeo giulia, i would say that mondeo and jaguar xe are really badass from the front
I'd take a Fusion Platinum over either of these two.
Kcducttaper1 Sport is a higher trim than the Platinum.
You're thinking the Titanium. According to ford's website, the trims go S -> SE -> Titanium -> Sport -> Platinum.
Except the Platinum doesn't come with the 2.7L EcoBoost. Only the Sport does. So I guess if you want the slower Fusion, then by all means.
Edit: Although you are right, I was thinking of the Titanium.
The platinum does have the 2.0, but that's more than enough power for the Fusion. My take on 'sporty' cars (and trim levels) is that I can't really push anything to its limits for more than 3 seconds on the street anyways, so why bother putting up with with poor mpg, noisy cabins, and stiff suspension unless I can also turn it loose and have some legitimate fun on a track on the weekends? Personally, I'd much rather get a comfy car for daily duties and buy/build a track car for thrills.
I average 23 MPG in my Sport, the only cabin noise is the engine note Ford pumps in, and the suspension would actually be better in the Sport since it has Ford's Continuously Controlled Dampening. It is seriously one of the best riding cars I've driven.
You can get nearly the exact same kit in the Sport that the Platinum has, all the bells and whistles, AWD standard, and 325 HP to make passing and spirited driving that much more enjoyable. It's no contest.
All Credibility for these Clowns.. Gone! Just like that American muscle in a real Reviews
Did you put the trans in sport mode?
Fusion is the best!
Colorado sucks. :/
Here in Toronto we can get up to 94 octane.
LegendInThaMakin Toronto sucks :/
In Maryland, we can get up to 100 octane.
Vero Tabares well maryland is a state. We have e85, race fuel and our shell contains no ethanol 😒
1betterthanyou1 why would I be salty? I'm not the one who has to put that shitty 91 octane in my car 😂😂
I'm guessing you're from Colorado and thus feelings were caught?
LegendInThaMakin Yeah in Utah we have up to 93, however I use 87 because ford recommends it for my engine at high elevation.
You are better to put 91 ethanol free from Shell than the 94 with ethanol that Petro sells.
Whats the point of saying 325 hp if you need 93 wich isnt available everywhere. Come on ford .... next theyll say 400 horse... and in small print say only on e85
Kameron James
It has a high output engine, of course it needs high octane fuel. Plus, if that was the case, then the Raptor would be running on e85 with its 450 HP V6.
Use Trollgun 01 lot of high output engines designed to run regular. Ford did this so they could advertise 325 horse. When in reality not everyone has access to 93 wo we will never see 325. Its a gimic.
Well the coyote is rated at 435 on 93 and is quoted to lose 1 percent on 87 so it doesn't really matter that much
Robert Smith thats a non turbo engine making less than 100 horse per litre. The information booklet in these cars sais run 93 for best performance. If it was a 1 percent difference it wouldnt matter.
If you want them to give ratings for all different octanes do you also expect ratings for all altitudes and various temperatures and humidity levels seriously the tuning is conservative and the power level between 93 91 89 87 or even 85 isn't noticeable if you've actually driven one of these cars
I bought fusion sport last weekend, awesome car, great tires, but 5 miles outside of the dealership I hit a piece of plate steel and blew out my back tire, tread already looked low so I tried to get them replaced, 250 a piece installed, ouch... ended up going cheaper for about 130 a tire installed.
Chinese tires are about $60 a piece but would not recommend them
The BMW 340i wins because you didn’t put the Ford Fusion in Sport Mode. Makes sense.
This guy just don't know how to drive a ford... my friend made 0-60 In under 5 sec without using 93 octane
+Moshe Yehuda Was your friend at a mile above sea level.
The Fast Lane Car I don't think anyone's arguing that 1 mile above sea level doesn't affect the cars performance, but we have several questions about the mode of the car when test were performed, was the car in drive or sport mode?... there is a difference
The Fast Lane Car I'm not sure on what sea level. But if the BMW 340i with less torque can do it in 4.8 seconds the fusion can do as well...
So by that logic the BMW should be near 3 sec 0-60 at sea level ?
Moshe Yehuda Yeah because Fords take a special person to drive them.
BMW underrates their power, ford overrates their power
Scott Duncan first is true, second is false. Bet my dads fusion sport will torch whatever bimmer you drive
Everyone should know the advertised horsepower for newer BMWs is actually close to their horsepower AT THE WHEEL, NOT at the crank! In fact, the B58 engine in this 340i test car has been dyno'd at more than 330 hp at the wheel, so in actuality, the engine makes close to 400 hp at the crank, which explains the huge gap in acceleration between the two cars here.
I kind of knew that this comparison might not go well being a previous 340 owner , and I always used 87 regular
forget about BMW it looks so generic
The fusion's 0-60 is about the same as an f-150 with the same motor????
Where did you get your #s? Motorweek had the fusion at 5.8 to 60 and 37k for the top of the line platinum. I'd still take the 3-series but this vid is misleading. I don't think the diff between 91 or 93 would take a full sec off the 0-60 time
Why dont you guys ever do sport mode!!?? It really makes the difference specially in the rpms
What did you do to kill the 0 to 60 time in the Fusion because there is no reason other than poor driving for that car to be over 6 seconds.
Hey can I give y'all an idea to try?. When y'all us car with high octane requirements just get some royal purple high octane..cuz I notice in y'all videos you always say you don't have enough octane for the vehicle. so I suggest to use the royal purple high octane in those cars. That need it. So y'all test can be an lil Fair on the vehicle maximum requirement? Right?
I own a 2018 Fusion Titanium and I just changed all the suspension for the very reason he states, Way too much understeer. I replaced the lower front and rear sway bars and added a strut tower brace, Steeda Lowering Springs and Bilstein struts. The car sits about an inch lower now and handles better than that BMW they tested! It's a screamer now! The car does not lean at all and does not dive under hard braking. The cornering is way past astounding and I had to actually replace the original struts with the Bilstein because they wore out after a short time under very hard cornering. But man oh man, was that fun!!! I think my suspension is better than the Fusion Sport as my car sits lower.
5:10 Evo fas af. How'd it do that? Cup 2 tires?
I have a 4cyl EcoBoost 2015 Fusion and it hits 60 in 5.3s and only mod is a K&N air filter.
How about doing the 0-60 is (S) Sport mode?!
So, i saw a dyno sheet of stock 340i. I forget the HP numbers, but it did 388lb/ft at the wheels...
probably the 2020 m340i but not the one on this video though
You drove the Fusion like my Grandma, no wait, she does it better.
Brake Torquing the fusion triggers a safety feature that protects the drive train, and in the hybrid it cuts off all power to throttle
Does the SHO have the same engine ?
Michael Kergosien The SHO has Ford's 3.5L V6 Twin Turbo.
Dear TFL,
Can we get 2017 Nissan Maxima SR on your track? I would really appreciate.
Fusion is killing it bro
I got the Platinum Fusion August 2017. Other than gas mileage, incredible car. 19.3 mpg 80% small city driving. AWD. No traffic jams. No difference between premium and regular gas,
What people don’t understand that say $ 40,000 MSRP for a Ford is crazy is that yes, you can get a BMW for that price, but then add $ 15,000 for options to make it comparable to the Fusion Platinum. Has everything from self parking, blind spot and cross traffic sensors, automatic emergency braking, heated steering wheel, heated and cooled seats. Everything. Tremendous bang for the buck. Those used 2017 Fusions advertised for under $ 25,000 are not Platinums. My last car was a 2013 Acura, and I decided to trade reliability for a great interior.
I would love to see you guys run the Honda Pioneer around the track! Seriously. Well, okay, not really seriously. But it would be funny! :D
Do you still have The Final Frontier? You could do a comparison test with them! Two utility vehicles in a Mashup. :)
Motor week clocked the Fusion Sport at 5.3 0-60.
So you bog launched the Fusion, launch the BMW perfectly and show a two second difference 0-60, then you lap it with the suspension in comfort mode and only have a 3 second difference through the whole lap. Not to mention the comparison should have been to a 330 which is closer in price but still more.
You should compare the camry xse v6 with the fusion sport
It isn't fair that You guys are running the top of the line performance Fusion against the midrange 3 series instead of a M3 (BMW's performance version)
Make a rerun!! Drive in sport/shift mode suspension firms differently and shifts hold higher rpms making it responde alot quicker then just Drive mode
My car is auto and if I break torque on take off, it is actually slower than if you just stomp the accelerator from idle. I wonder.
Did he even put the fusion in sport mode
10 years ago the Ford Mondeo was already faster than the BMW 320i in a Fifth Gear test
LOL at folks thinking sport mode is like a rocket booster. Bimmer won because it’s built to be a FAST SPORT SEDAN with 2 additional gears and the Fusion is a bloated commuter car with AWD and turbos.
TFLC, you guys need to def retest a Fusion Sport. With 91 octane and sport mode and see what happens. Brake boost it and go. I just saw another group test one at 5000 ft Altitude and they got 4.99 sec 0-60.... This Fusion Sport seemed very sluggish in the video when watching the speedo.
Dude drove this car like a cee you next Tuesday compared to the others!!
im still in love with my nissan maxima 2016
Yup fusion not in sport mode on 0_60 and testing cars on same track at same time to see the difference must be done with identical sets of same make/model of tires. Also like to see video proof of what fuel went into each car
I highly doubt the Ford is really pushing the horspower/torque as Ford advertises!
It would be interesting to see it on a dyno.