Nearly 80% of their revenue are from Corporate and AI clients. Your average gamer isn’t going to shell out high dollar amounts for a gaming card. Gamers want to spend the least amount of money but yet want the most out of their cards. They’re not what nVidia is after. Whatever the price of the 5090 will be it will sell out immediately. There are gamers and hardware enthusiasts who can easily pay what nVidia is asking for their Flagship card.
I wouldn't put it past them to try that tbh. That would be acceptable if they were to drop the pricing substantially to something like $849 but it's unlikely to happen
When I built my first PC, it was during the crypto boom of 2017. Now that I want to build one in 2025, the AI boom is currently happening. I just can't seem to escape inflated prices :(
It’s not AI boom, it’s new reality. GPU prices are primarily high due to general inflation that happened in the last years. Also covid/crypto crisis has risen prices a lot, and they just never went down after it to previous level. People were crazy, ready to pay x3 prices from msrp in 2020-2021. Old prices will never happen again, so get used to new prices.
A monopoly would mean Nvidia is the only GPU manufacturer that you can buy products from. So very stupid comment. Also since when does any company respect consumers. PC gaming is still a very cheap hobby. People need to use their brains and decide what’s best for them instead of listening to dumb comments online that push bias narrative driven morality speech’s.
Monopolies only kill markets if the consumers are willing to stop buying. If not, the big fish can keep eating the smaller fishes and grow forever. As long as people keep buying Nvidia, they will keep doing this forever.
@@mischievoussaffron5970 keep in mind that includes laptops and prebuilts, granted I don't think DIYers really make up a huge part of their revenue, but I would wager the split isn't as drastic as that in the custom space
AMD right now is present on the market and what? xx80 went from $700 to $1200 and what AMD did do? Priced its counterpart (7900xtx) at $1000. Monopoly is not the problem in this case; the problem is with a duopoly.
sadly just people that feed nvidia in general. Nvidia is doing exactly what intel did when AMD released bulldozer. They have no one to fight back, so why not take advantage? if amd rx 9 series flops, our only hope is intel.
@@demonkingrigaldo-2456 there is no bad product, just a bad pricing. even if the rx9000 series flops, we have battlemage gpus as well to put up a price fight in the mid range. Imagine something like the 7800xt tier card being around the cost of a 4060ti, huge W to everyone else but we need a significant number of adopters. Lets try to eat the mkt share of nvidia
Let me tell this short story In fact, I am someone who previously did not understand the differences between the cards I bought a 4060 ti card And when I play in 4k I saw that the game gave me the impression that I was a loser, so I thought that in the year 2024 I should not be one of the losers, so I sold it the next week. I felt like a loser, so I sold my device the next week And now I am without pc I browsed and searched and realized that I was one of the losers. Indeed, it is not a joke Through reviewers and other card experts, I thought I was in a rush to buy without researching So I decided to buy a 5090 card, but after reviewing it to see that I had made up for the old disappointment.
supply will be scarce by the time 50 series coming out. this time around there is no post mining after effect to flood the market with used card that can force brand new card to be sold at a discount.
Most likely not, they'll probably do what they did with the 30 series and have just enough performance at a certain price to keep the previous generation right around its full price, while restricting the stock.
3080 was 320-bit, but I agree with the sentiment. From 2000 series, we had the 2060 super at 256-bit, 3000 series 3060ti at 256-bit; and now with 4000 series and beyond the 4070ti and most likely the 5000 series equivalent will only have 192-bit bus. Pretty cheap and pathetic move by Nvidia.
When they continue with just 1x 12 pin on the 5090 then you will see alot of cases :D even evga figured that themself out, what a shame their out of the gpu market
On one hand I'm excited for the 5090 as I am a tech enthusiast. On the other hand, I'm not excited as I know it's going to be $1500+ and my 4090 still feels like I have barely used it. I of course use it every day. But yeah the 4090 has so much life left in it. Now if the 5090 is $2400 + then I'm out. That is way too much.
Hey e! We talked on the 3080 worth it video. I was the one who said I had a monster 3080 and it ran games, and we talked on bottlenecks. I don't know if you remember me, but I still have that card. Well, the original one. It had died 2 months ago, so I sent it out, and they sent me a replacement last month. It's been working well, no problems. I did have a monster 4070ti I bought 3 months ago. I just sold it 2 days ago, though, because I needed the paper for the 50 series. I made 10 bucks less than what I paid for it. I'll be keeping the 3080 until the new cards come, and I'll be selling the 3080 to make more cash. I'm hoping the 5070, which most likely will be stronger than the 4090, which is a monster, will be stronger since the 4070 is stronger than the 3090.
@@cmoneytheman Hey that’s fantastic to hear! I’m happy your 3080 is serving you well. I’m sorry to hear it died on you. But at least they replaced it for you! That’s fantastic! If Nvidia isn’t too greedy, then yes, hopefully the 5070 will match or beat the 4090. But time will tell.
@@AngelicRequiemX not even close. 1080Ti to 2080Ti is nothing like 3090 to 4090. if you refer to sales then the 40 is a lot better. in fact it is even much better than the 10 series which many people regards as one of nvidia best series.
@@AngelicRequiemXNot really, we still got some improvements even if they were marginal on anything but the 4090. This upcoming gen is shaping up to be the worst in over a decade.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I'm not referring to sales though. I'm referring to the terrible value of the 40 series in comparison to the 30 series, MSRP-wise. Much like how the 20 series was a worse value than the 10 series before it. I couldn't care less about sales, personally. Nvidia is going to dominate the market compared to AMD regardless and is just competing against itself at this point.
@@arenzricodexd4409 Neither 1080ti or 2080ti were top dogs. They were the second best GPU's of their time, by your logic you'd have to compare Titan X pascal vs the Titan RTX. If we compare 3080 vs 4080 vs 5080 (according to this vid) then its much more modest gains. People say the Titan lineup was not for gamers, but that's effectively what the -90 lineup was. and the Titan X Pascal was the same price than the 4080 on launch anyway.
Correction: The 30 series was not on 10nm, it was on 8nm. Question, where is the idea of it being 30-40% faster coming from? We're talking in theorhetical performance, or rather the stuff on paper. The major questions we should be asking is what are the major changes to the architecture and how much better are the Blackwell SMs at basic shading capabilities compared to Ada Lovelace's SMs.
That's such a load of shit. Yes they're making more money on a.i at the moment, but the gaming industry is still bringing them in billions of dollars lol. You really think they'll let go of billions of profit ? They're also very competitive and don't want Amd to catch up. These prices this guy is saying are extremely unlikely lol Nvidia aren't dumb, greedy but not dumb. Only so much they can push the consumer
@@PCgamingbenchmarktimeI'm going to come back to this comment after Nvidia officially releases their RTX 50 series pricing to ask you how you feel about being proven wrong after these price predictions turn out to be correct (or close to it). I hope you're ready for that but at least you have a heads up beforehand. Good luck with that tho because I'm looking forward to you eating these words when Nvidia proves to everyone, hopefully for the very last time, that they ARE greedy when it comes to their pricing. You fanboys desperately need a wake-up call & I'm here for when it eventually happens.
@Aspire705 how Am I fanboy? I didn't upgrade to the 4080 because it was priced horribly. I don't know why anyone would pay that much for that card 🤣 if they are dumb enough to increase prices....I'll just buy a second hand 4080 when they drop in price and wait to see how rdna5 turns out. I just don't think nvidia will increase prices for the 80 and below, the 5090 maybe an extra 100-200. No way they increase the price to 2000 and up. Like I said, nvidia makes billions selling gpu's, they won't completely ruin their "relationship" with gamers. They already pushed with the 4080 and it didn't turn out so well did it ? Lol anyone with a brain would have avoided that card, at $1,000 it's not so bad but by that time it was too little too late. We'll see, if they are dumb enough to increase prices it would be kind of hilarious to see the outcome lol
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime they don't spend that money just playing games, it's also for work, if you only play games then AMD gpu will be suitable for you, but when it comes to working ability currently Nvidia is dominating the market, that is the reason they sell at that price without thinking is because the people working won't complain about it anyway they recover that money very quickly
same with me. i'm happy with my 6800 non XT. and it's good enough for me. because of the 16GB of VRAM. and i bought it used. because i refused to pay full price for it. still got my RX 580 8GB if i ever want to sell my 6800 non XT. kinda want to get the 6800 XT so that i don't need to wrote non XT everytime...
@@nbbasrutten3267 well... i also had to sell my 6600XT. and that's also kinda painful. but it was useless keeping it. since i bought that 6800. that was the cheapest card at that time. and the 8GB of VRAM kinda makes it useless. because of RE4 remake. that's why i won't buy Nvidia GPU anymore. if the VRAM is gonna be always less than what i needed.
@VenomShotYou waiting is pointless. You'll just hear people say don't buy this years it's not a big enough jump every year. People want a 4090 from the 3060 it's not happening that 4090 is insane. That it even exists. It's a stellar card. So, is the 4070 3070 4060 good but doesn't meet expectations. Amd has great stuff too, but their naming scheme escapes me far too often
@@TheChcam I agree about AMD’s naming. After making my original comment I ended up pricing out some 4070s. Seems like that would be a legit upgrade from a 1080.
When 3080 was released Nvidia lost a lot of potential money pondering to gamers no one was buying 3090 because it was just a refreshed 3080 so they learned their lesson that there will be significant diff between bf gpu and 80 class card just like 4090 the only worth upgrade from 3090
@@ZackSNetwork Super literally just came couple months ago while 4080 and 4090 are almost 2 years old so you stop the BS. Yes regular 4080 is also faster than 3080 but 3080 had MSRP 700 on release and 4080 had MSRP 1200 so they cant even be compared since its completely different price range. 4070 pretty much matches 3080 in perfomance but it had release msrp 600 but by that time 3080 was already almost 3 years old so literally zero improvement in the same price range.
@@Marko-ij4vy That's been a trend that's gone on for far longer. Prices go down much slower and they just release higher tiers of top-end hardware. They don't want people to buy up old hardware for dirtcheap instead of new hardware with barely a performance increase for much more money. So instead they manipulate the market in such a way with various strategies to keep the price of older hardware up so that people will buy newer hardware.
I'll wait until these GPUs actually launch. I have a feeling 50 series will be better than the "leaks" suggest. Imagine a 5070 = 4070ti raster but 4090 level RT/PT. That's a very likely scenario for 50 series. Then, even the 60 class could be capable of high levels of RT/PT. That would be a game changer for RTX going forward.
What do you mean, think? With every generation, cards have become cooler on average, and since 20 series, they have upgraded DLSS/RT performance. On top of being cooler, the 50s will be better. I'm wanting 8K screens. 4K is really sharp and clear, even on games 7-10 years ago. 8K, even on emulators, shows a big jump from 4K. I want to see how sharp PC games can be on an 8K screen. I really want that.
The 5090 will be a beast and convince people that the rest of the range is good too. But they will be worse than what AMD will offer. But people will still throw their money at nVidia based on the 5090, not the crap they're wasting the money on.
that's a monster card no reason for you to upgrade, you should technically be able to run all games smoothly if devs optimized all there games the correct way
If i wanted an 8gb gpu i would have bought a 3070 for thr last 2 years for cheap. Even a 7700xt with 12 gb is shit. Im not upgrading until 16gb and decent performance improvement is available.
I don't know why everyone is shocked that the 5080 isn't going to surpass a 4090. Nvidia wants to sell cards to China and so the 5080 is the best AI card China can get
Probably same as current gen with two exceptions. The 5090 will be 1999 and the 5080 likely 1199-1299. Don’t listen to this guy. The 5080 won’t match the 4090 due to the memory bus is much larger on the 4090.
@@VoldoronGamingIf 5080 gets GDDR7, then even with 256 bit bus it's memory bandwidth will be around 900 GB/s. Just 10% less than 4090's. So if 5080 will not match 4090, it is solely due to lack of raw GPU power.
and here's the real kicker nivida will calim "the newer achitecture will run better than the old " but take a LOOK at the 3000 to 4000 series jump cards like the 4070 and the 4060 sure are faster than the 3070 and 3060 .. but at frame rate average and top frames count look at the 1% lows and the 4070 is SLOWER than the 3070 . and the 4060 ijn the 1% lows is SLOWER than the 3060. sure the 5000 series wil be faster than the 4000 series but yet again the frame time on these cards will be a mess making them far more prone to stutering than preivous gen was. jsut like the 4000 series is mosty prone to suttering copared to the 3000 series (excluding the 4080 and 4090 of course since both those card got deccent bandwidth) it'l be the same with the 5080 and 5090 they'll be the only cards that dont have horrible low 1% lows.
there is a point of diminishing returns into how high they can list it... for example say they increase the price 20% less people might buy it so there's a fine line and i believe anything over 2k is beyond that point 1700-1800 would sell 2x more cards vs a 2k price point imo
Gotta wait for the Super Duper Ti series to see any substantial gains. I just bought a 4070 Ti Super and I couldn't care less about this lackluster 50xx series.
@@MicocoiM Yea they wouldn’t have any need because there’s no foreseeable competition at that perf level, but at the same time they can charge a bunch more for it because there’s always people chasing the best specs and they will definitely sell.
The data centre segment is where most of their profit is made. Gaming still earns them billions, though, and there is a lot of money to be made in that market if they do it right. It would make no sense for Nvidia to give gaming very little priority, considering it's their second largest business. It just won't be quite as high of a priority as AI. If anything, it would make the most sense if they indicated a strategic aim to strengthen its market across its data centre and gaming segment. However, Nvidia is completely nerfing the specs of the RTX 50 Series, except for the 5090. That is going to result in poor sales because there is no way people will be willing to pay for overpriced, crappy, nerfed GPUs. Nvidia is just wasting their own money by producing this crap that is going to receive nothing but criticism and just sit on shelves. They are not even close to maximising the amount of profit they can make in gaming. Nvidia's gaming segment is worth billions, and it definitely has the potential to grow way bigger. Nvidia treating it like a little side business makes no sense, and it's negatively impacting gamers.
I think if AMD wanted to they could completely corner the gaming market below the high end (4k60/1440p120) and below with the way nVidia are pricing their stack.
Yea I'm hoping for that I can't even run great demanding games like lords fallen maxed 4k with a monster 4070,or chronbyte I'm hoping a 5070 should be able to get me good fps with these I refuse to play them with the card I have now
@@cmoneytheman there’s not actually that many AAA games that I want to play badly enough to warrant upgrading from 1080ti? Maybe I’ll get 3090 or 4070ti super if they come down after the 50 launch.
Those of you looking to buy a cheap last gen card, I wouldn't expect the 4090 to drop in value much at all seeing as the 4090 will possibly be the 2nd fastest gaming GPU in the world lol. Thank God I can sit this next blood bath gen out on my 4080super
Correct same rtx 4080 in my second PC for arcade cabinet and ROM station. I'm in no rush to build another system. I'll wait three years before I think about something else when the time comes.
most 4090 stock will be gone by the time nvidia launch 5090. and the way i heard it nvidia stop the production of 40 series very early this time around.
@@josh93824 Hard to say, but the core count and bandwidth both massively increase. So one could expect 50%+ more performance. I guess there will be some new gimmick that makes the 5000 series even more powerful, like DLSS 3.0 was for Ada.
Nvidia doesn't have to push hard since AMD is quite behind in the tech battle. Nevertheless, I went for a 7900 XT a year ago when I saw the specs for the 4070 and I'm very happy with my choice not having to deal with Nvidia anymore.
The 5080 will likely have 4090D levels of performance because they have to sell it in China. It's looking pretty grim for gamers. Either get the 5090 and suffer the crazy price, or choose between a used 4090 or a 5080 Never thought i'd see an 80 class just barely match a previous gen flagship in raster instead of eclipsing it.
@@renatoramos8834gamers just have bad money management as a whole…if u save literally $150-$200 every month u will be able to afford whatever card u want…
its almost charitable of Nvidia to raise the celling and make sure to leave room in the value market for competition. Team green makes money elsewhere so they just want the glory now.
Nvidia satisfies their investors. Their major income doesn't come from gamers anymore, they don't care about you. AI sells and datacenters will pay a lot more than any gamer market will. Face it, gaming is dead due to greed.
5070 is where 16gb VRAM should start. I can see the xx60 being 12GB (NOT 8), as that's a 1080p card, or DLSS abusing 1440p card, perhaps. 5060 is mainstream and should not have less than 12GB in 2024 and the 5070 is at the cross roads of high end and mainstream and in todays world that means 16gb off vram. The 5080 should do 24 and the 5090 32, given the prices they charge, which feature ridiculous levels of markup - over 100%, sometimes well over.
That said, 6400 shaders is also a bit lol for the 5070. I guess they want to make it easier for intel to challenge the 5070, for some reason - in Battlemage we hope. 🙏
I do not give a single freak about AI malware on my gpu or my pc its all spyware, I wont allow it thank Richard Stall man I am on Linux and will have the option and perhaps even be forced to not have AI generated malware on my PC. I might go AMD next, next gen, got a 4070s now and will use it for 2 years before upgrading, hopefully I can still upgrade to a non malware GPU then.
I mean makes sense. Nvidia doesn't really have to try to cover the market right now so they will hold some of there cards haha get it. But for real they will hold some back and wait until they need it to push competition when let's say amd gets closer lol. Even if everyone is wrong and it's better it's still smart to get the ones from this generation tbh. Either that or we can't relate performance to specs as much anymore due to archecture. As you proved with the 3080 to 4080. We could still see a massive jump in performance who knows? Lol Or nvidia is sandbagging and wanted it to be leaked so amd releases there cards confidently snd then bam nvidia gets the last laugh in yet again.
They didn't over-stocked on rtx 4000 series card(they were overstocked with 3000 series cards, that's why they brought framegen), so nvidia won't gatekeep any technology with rtx 5000-4000 series. Anyone who have 4070ti super or better can wait out 5000 series. Vram configs won't change probably. 5090 -> 28gb / 5080 -> 16gb / 5070ti -> 16gb / 5070 -> 12gb and so on...
"What alternative do you have?" Stick with my older card, play my existing Steam library, turn down the graphical settings, maybe get a different hobby...
I am looking to perhaps buy next gen, and would love to put some money up for a 5090, would not have to upgrade that card for the rest of my life.. LOL but I think I would be more disappointed in Intel 15th gen then Nvidia 5090..
i only hope that BG207 is for a laptop version of the 5060 or for the 5050, cuz no way they are releasing a desktop 5060 with even less cuda cores than the previous 2 generations and no GDDR7...
I don't know what people expected. That the 5080 would match or lose to a 4090 was inevitable. And it's not entirely NVIDIAs fault. Remember that the US government banned the sale of 4090s and cut down 4090s to China and censored nvidia for trying to finess around the restrictions. The 5080 is all but confirmed to be the gpu earmarked for global release, including China. For that to happen it needs to be on that line of not as good as a 4090. Violating those laws could result in large fines or at worst nvidia on the OFAC list of SDNs and banned from transacting in the US and having everything seized.
I just built a PC after spending years playing games on Xbox. I didnt want to wait for the 50 series cards so i got a Zotac 4070Ti in order to tide me over but as it turns out, its a great card and ill probably hold out for the 60 series now.
Keeping in mind that the Steam hardware survey shows that 90% of the GPUs are xx60 class - 3060, 2060, 1060 and 4060 - I don't think Nvidia's stratospherically priced new GPUs will be selling like freshly baked bread ... I'm happy I didn't hold off for the 5000 series.
I think we are at a point where improvements will be mostly through RT and Tensor cores for gamers who don't go top tier. Unless AMD gets it together and introduces hardware upscaling and much better RT, I think the biggest gains will be in DLSS with a newer frame gen, better ray reconstruction, and path tracing being viable at lower price points.
My bet is AMD are moving to multi Die GPUs wich would effectively give nvidia strong competition. given that AMD are moving to a new built from the ground up architecture this possibility is extremely likely. I believe this is also why they arent putting as many resources into RDNA 4 because they plan to come out with this brand new architecture some time in 2025.
dude, the whole RT is a scam. Look at Cyberpunk, it's filled with completely unnecessary reflective surfaces just to lower the performance of manufacturer that didn't pay the devs. That shit has absolutely no value to the quality of the image.
@@VoldoronGaming The last time AMD built an architecture from the ground up they kicked intels ass and are still causing them alot of pain on the cpu side. Nvidia is doing the same mistake intel did where they are too comfortible being ahead and not innovating to give people more performance per dollar. They are going to pay for it in the end just like intel did. Intel used to charge a hefty premium for their cpus like over 1000 dollars then when ryzen came along that shut down their gravy train. If AMD comes out with multi die gpus wich is what i am expecting say goodbye to 1600 dollar gpus.
I think Moore's Law is working here, but Nvidia don't want to tell it customers that - as they may feel cheated. The chips can only get so many transistors on them , and each generation has only turned into architectural changes now.
You’re comparing the wrong tiers. The 4080 replaced the 3080 ti because both have the same msrp. The 265 bit bus is lower than the 384 bit of the 4090. 25/30% faster than the 4080? Unlikely because of that severely cut down memory bus in comparison to the 4090. I’m expecting 15-20% due to the vram and clock speeds increases.
lol i didnt finish the video. great minds think alike. the 4080 sold like doo doo so MAYBE the 5080 will be a cut down gb202 and well see a 5050 this time.
This will lead to AMD gaining much more of the market especially the mid to low end. Who would buy a 5080 that is not more powerful than the 4090? all other 80 series generations have been over the previous 90 series. For my self it is a bad move I want a better improvement. If the 8800xtx is 15% faster than a 7900xtx and cost less than the 5080 I will grab that instead, it will have more Vram which I do value also. Really what is possibly worse is the lower 5070/5060 cards staying 12 gb vram and having way less performance. The previous 70 series has beat/or been on par with 80 series of past gen too. Customers are used to this and will not make a purchase. We can always hope we are wrong.
AMD already gain market share against nvidia before. hence AMD market share for discrete GPU was as high as 20% back in Q4 last year. but it drop back to 12% in Q1...because gaming is unreliable market.
@@arenzricodexd4409That's a convenient explanation, no Nvidia stomped them out with the refresh. 4070S trounced 7800XT, 4070tiS the 7900XT and 4080S matched the price of the XTX.
@@anitaremenarova6662 gamer in general buy less. That's why AMD gaming revenue drop significantly at 48% YoY in Q1. Usually even if gpu sales are low semi custom (which mostly console) will cover that lack of sales from gpu. Hence AMD gaming revenue usually in the range of 1.4 billion to 1.7 billion. But in the their latest earning gpu and semi custom combined the revenue did not even reach 1 billion. AMD still able to make 5.5 billion in revenue thanks to increasing sales of their MI accelerator. As for nvidia their gaming gpu still able to post formidable 2.6 billion (18% increase YoY) in revenue in Q1 because their gpu is a lot more useful than just gaming.
Ya the good thing is that, current gen stuff even the RX 6000 series and rtx 30 series are fast enough to fulfill the needs for the vast majority. Unless you're someone who's hellbent on playing at 4K ultra path tracing you've got nothing to worry about.
what annoys me most is the normalization of the idea amongst the young bucks among us, is that with every new generational increase in performance, price should also be increased. It shouldn't,/ That's not normal, so stop talking like it should be.
So xx60 tier will fall even more now it's like 4050 with 50series it will be 5040 Ti 👍 but with that card their connector will pose no fire threat but if that card run some RT well...then maybe it will make some sense i guess
I expect 3 SKU based on GB202, 5080-5080TI-5090 with price starting at 1200$ GB203 will most likely be 5070ti priced at 800/900$. Providing around 25% better price/performance compared to last gen.
It is absolutely understandable neither Nvidia nor AMD sell top end for less then they can charge. I am pretty sure Nvidia will soon hit limits of enthusiast possibilities.. Drop prices or simply make refresh as they used to do. Many AIBs left discrete gpu PC market. Just reading Techpowerup custom gpus listing for current gpus. Less competition at AIBs means even worse selection. But I don't worry we would end up in spiral pricing of hardware. Btw that AI gaming assistant in competitive games could end up as unfair advantage and try then control players pc for running such app.
Nvidia never fails to disrespect their customers.
Nearly 80% of their revenue are from Corporate and AI clients. Your average gamer isn’t going to shell out high dollar amounts for a gaming card. Gamers want to spend the least amount of money but yet want the most out of their cards. They’re not what nVidia is after. Whatever the price of the 5090 will be it will sell out immediately. There are gamers and hardware enthusiasts who can easily pay what nVidia is asking for their Flagship card.
@@QuocTrucking sad but true. I'll rather buy a steamdeck for part time gaming and low powered arm laptop for my pro works.
We’re all jensen’s bitches
And yet, said customers keeps coming, so why souldn't they ?
It takes two to tango.
@@AnotherDay-ce6th😂
5080 is slower thn 4090,oh cmon nvidia
Hahaha that's funny
And it's still 16GB... 🤦
I wouldn't put it past them to try that tbh. That would be acceptable if they were to drop the pricing substantially to something like $849 but it's unlikely to happen
China embargo goes in way of 5080 😉
Nah it should be on par or slightly faster than a 4090. It has newer architecture, higher IPC, far faster memory and way higher clock speeds.
When I built my first PC, it was during the crypto boom of 2017.
Now that I want to build one in 2025, the AI boom is currently happening.
I just can't seem to escape inflated prices :(
😅 sorry bout that go back to console
just go AMD!
Just buy a 3090, it will do literally anything for the next 10 years.
It’s not AI boom, it’s new reality. GPU prices are primarily high due to general inflation that happened in the last years. Also covid/crypto crisis has risen prices a lot, and they just never went down after it to previous level. People were crazy, ready to pay x3 prices from msrp in 2020-2021. Old prices will never happen again, so get used to new prices.
You forgot to mention standard inflation and just overall gpu price inflation.
Remember when the XX70 series Nvidia GPUs would tie or beat their last generation 80 Ti or Titan level cards? This is a joke now.
The 4070 didn't even beat The 3080, The 5070 probably won't even beat The 4070 Ti.
That's never how it's been. It's always been the 90 beats or matches the 80, the 80 beats or matches the 70, the 70 beats or matches the 60.
They have no competition in the high end GPU market so they can do whatever they want. Not to mention people still buy
Sounds like Intel 15 years ago. They were dominating the CPU market and got caught off guard with AMD's Zen processors
Monopolies literally kill markets. So many more hobbies out there that respect you and your money more than PC gaming.
A monopoly would mean Nvidia is the only GPU manufacturer that you can buy products from. So very stupid comment. Also since when does any company respect consumers. PC gaming is still a very cheap hobby. People need to use their brains and decide what’s best for them instead of listening to dumb comments online that push bias narrative driven morality speech’s.
Monopolies only kill markets if the consumers are willing to stop buying. If not, the big fish can keep eating the smaller fishes and grow forever. As long as people keep buying Nvidia, they will keep doing this forever.
@ZackSNetwork Nvidia got 80% of GPU according to Steam GPU charts...And AMD is at a measly 15%...That's a monopoly at this point
@@mischievoussaffron5970 keep in mind that includes laptops and prebuilts, granted I don't think DIYers really make up a huge part of their revenue, but I would wager the split isn't as drastic as that in the custom space
AMD right now is present on the market and what?
xx80 went from $700 to $1200 and what AMD did do? Priced its counterpart (7900xtx) at $1000.
Monopoly is not the problem in this case; the problem is with a duopoly.
The main losers are 70 and 60 series buyers
6700xt fixed that problem lmao
@@curie1420 yeah lol
sadly just people that feed nvidia in general. Nvidia is doing exactly what intel did when AMD released bulldozer. They have no one to fight back, so why not take advantage? if amd rx 9 series flops, our only hope is intel.
@@demonkingrigaldo-2456 there is no bad product, just a bad pricing. even if the rx9000 series flops, we have battlemage gpus as well to put up a price fight in the mid range. Imagine something like the 7800xt tier card being around the cost of a 4060ti, huge W to everyone else but we need a significant number of adopters. Lets try to eat the mkt share of nvidia
Let me tell this short story
In fact, I am someone who previously did not understand the differences between the cards
I bought a 4060 ti card
And when I play in 4k
I saw that the game gave me the impression that I was a loser, so I thought that in the year 2024 I should not be one of the losers, so I sold it the next week.
I felt like a loser, so I sold my device the next week And now I am without pc
I browsed and searched and realized that I was one of the losers. Indeed, it is not a joke
Through reviewers and other card experts, I thought I was in a rush to buy without researching
So I decided to buy a 5090 card, but after reviewing it to see that I had made up for the old disappointment.
I hope prices on 40 series drops when they come out😊
They might slightly til supplies dry up.
supply will be scarce by the time 50 series coming out. this time around there is no post mining after effect to flood the market with used card that can force brand new card to be sold at a discount.
A somewhat naïve hope... :v
Most likely not, they'll probably do what they did with the 30 series and have just enough performance at a certain price to keep the previous generation right around its full price, while restricting the stock.
My God, we desperately need competition now
Yes we do and badly
Not even a 384-bit on the 80 Class? WTF Nvidia! Thats some BS. Hopefully this isnt True.
LMAO, when was 80's tier class card on 384 bit bus ? 20 years ago ?
@@darkfire3691 3080 was idiot..
3080 was 320-bit, but I agree with the sentiment. From 2000 series, we had the 2060 super at 256-bit, 3000 series 3060ti at 256-bit; and now with 4000 series and beyond the 4070ti and most likely the 5000 series equivalent will only have 192-bit bus. Pretty cheap and pathetic move by Nvidia.
@@Brammen007 you forgot the 3080 12GB exists
@@darkfire3691 980 ti was as well:
GM200
CORES
2816
TMUS
176
ROPS
96
MEMORY SIZE
6 GB
MEMORY TYPE
GDDR5
BUS WIDTH
384 bit
I’ll wait to see how many power connectors melt.
😂same
When they continue with just 1x 12 pin on the 5090 then you will see alot of cases :D even evga figured that themself out, what a shame their out of the gpu market
On one hand I'm excited for the 5090 as I am a tech enthusiast. On the other hand, I'm not excited as I know it's going to be $1500+ and my 4090 still feels like I have barely used it. I of course use it every day. But yeah the 4090 has so much life left in it. Now if the 5090 is $2400 + then I'm out. That is way too much.
Hey e! We talked on the 3080 worth it video. I was the one who said I had a monster 3080 and it ran games, and we talked on bottlenecks. I don't know if you remember me, but I still have that card. Well, the original one. It had died 2 months ago, so I sent it out, and they sent me a replacement last month. It's been working well, no problems.
I did have a monster 4070ti I bought 3 months ago. I just sold it 2 days ago, though, because I needed the paper for the 50 series. I made 10 bucks less than what I paid for it.
I'll be keeping the 3080 until the new cards come, and I'll be selling the 3080 to make more cash.
I'm hoping the 5070, which most likely will be stronger than the 4090, which is a monster, will be stronger since the 4070 is stronger than the 3090.
@@cmoneytheman Hey that’s fantastic to hear! I’m happy your 3080 is serving you well. I’m sorry to hear it died on you. But at least they replaced it for you! That’s fantastic! If Nvidia isn’t too greedy, then yes, hopefully the 5070 will match or beat the 4090. But time will tell.
RTX 50 series are gonna be RTX 20 series revised.
That's what the RTX 40 series was already.
@@AngelicRequiemX not even close. 1080Ti to 2080Ti is nothing like 3090 to 4090. if you refer to sales then the 40 is a lot better. in fact it is even much better than the 10 series which many people regards as one of nvidia best series.
@@AngelicRequiemXNot really, we still got some improvements even if they were marginal on anything but the 4090. This upcoming gen is shaping up to be the worst in over a decade.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I'm not referring to sales though. I'm referring to the terrible value of the 40 series in comparison to the 30 series, MSRP-wise. Much like how the 20 series was a worse value than the 10 series before it.
I couldn't care less about sales, personally. Nvidia is going to dominate the market compared to AMD regardless and is just competing against itself at this point.
@@arenzricodexd4409 Neither 1080ti or 2080ti were top dogs. They were the second best GPU's of their time, by your logic you'd have to compare Titan X pascal vs the Titan RTX.
If we compare 3080 vs 4080 vs 5080 (according to this vid) then its much more modest gains.
People say the Titan lineup was not for gamers, but that's effectively what the -90 lineup was. and the Titan X Pascal was the same price than the 4080 on launch anyway.
Correction: The 30 series was not on 10nm, it was on 8nm.
Question, where is the idea of it being 30-40% faster coming from? We're talking in theorhetical performance, or rather the stuff on paper. The major questions we should be asking is what are the major changes to the architecture and how much better are the Blackwell SMs at basic shading capabilities compared to Ada Lovelace's SMs.
They have no need for gamers. Why should they respect us? Nvidia is a lost cause to us.
That's such a load of shit. Yes they're making more money on a.i at the moment, but the gaming industry is still bringing them in billions of dollars lol. You really think they'll let go of billions of profit ? They're also very competitive and don't want Amd to catch up. These prices this guy is saying are extremely unlikely lol
Nvidia aren't dumb, greedy but not dumb. Only so much they can push the consumer
@@PCgamingbenchmarktimeI'm going to come back to this comment after Nvidia officially releases their RTX 50 series pricing to ask you how you feel about being proven wrong after these price predictions turn out to be correct (or close to it).
I hope you're ready for that but at least you have a heads up beforehand.
Good luck with that tho because I'm looking forward to you eating these words when Nvidia proves to everyone, hopefully for the very last time, that they ARE greedy when it comes to their pricing.
You fanboys desperately need a wake-up call & I'm here for when it eventually happens.
@Aspire705 how Am I fanboy? I didn't upgrade to the 4080 because it was priced horribly. I don't know why anyone would pay that much for that card 🤣 if they are dumb enough to increase prices....I'll just buy a second hand 4080 when they drop in price and wait to see how rdna5 turns out. I just don't think nvidia will increase prices for the 80 and below, the 5090 maybe an extra 100-200. No way they increase the price to 2000 and up. Like I said, nvidia makes billions selling gpu's, they won't completely ruin their "relationship" with gamers. They already pushed with the 4080 and it didn't turn out so well did it ? Lol anyone with a brain would have avoided that card, at $1,000 it's not so bad but by that time it was too little too late. We'll see, if they are dumb enough to increase prices it would be kind of hilarious to see the outcome lol
trust me Nvidia still want gamers who else will buy defective dies that don't make the cut for AI they always give gamers the leftovers
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime they don't spend that money just playing games, it's also for work, if you only play games then AMD gpu will be suitable for you, but when it comes to working ability currently Nvidia is dominating the market, that is the reason they sell at that price without thinking is because the people working won't complain about it anyway they recover that money very quickly
Happy with my 6600xt and I cannot see an upgrade anytime soon.
same with me. i'm happy with my 6800 non XT. and it's good enough for me. because of the 16GB of VRAM.
and i bought it used. because i refused to pay full price for it.
still got my RX 580 8GB if i ever want to sell my 6800 non XT.
kinda want to get the 6800 XT so that i don't need to wrote non XT everytime...
@dm203 I accidentally sold my 6800xt for $429. With all the fees I only got $350 after having paid $1179. I feel sick.
@@nbbasrutten3267 well... i also had to sell my 6600XT. and that's also kinda painful. but it was useless keeping it. since i bought that 6800.
that was the cheapest card at that time. and the 8GB of VRAM kinda makes it useless. because of RE4 remake.
that's why i won't buy Nvidia GPU anymore. if the VRAM is gonna be always less than what i needed.
How long..HOW LONG will I have to keep my 1080?
Dude it's a massive jump to get even a 3080
@@TheChcam I hear you man. I’m gonna have to bite the bullet. Its age has really been showing this year.
@VenomShotYou waiting is pointless. You'll just hear people say don't buy this years it's not a big enough jump every year. People want a 4090 from the 3060 it's not happening that 4090 is insane. That it even exists. It's a stellar card. So, is the 4070 3070 4060 good but doesn't meet expectations. Amd has great stuff too, but their naming scheme escapes me far too often
@@TheChcam I agree about AMD’s naming. After making my original comment I ended up pricing out some 4070s. Seems like that would be a legit upgrade from a 1080.
@@VenomShotYouBest advice is to get a used 4070 if you plan on sticking to 1080p. For 1440p get the 4070ti super.
0:07 Wow how unepexted. As if it wasnt the same case with 40 series where only 4090 was significant step up.
It has to be like that or they’ll make the same mistake last 3000 series 😊
When 3080 was released Nvidia lost a lot of potential money pondering to gamers no one was buying 3090 because it was just a refreshed 3080 so they learned their lesson that there will be significant diff between bf gpu and 80 class card just like 4090 the only worth upgrade from 3090
RTX 4080 Super is a lot faster than the 3080 stop the BS.
@@ZackSNetwork Super literally just came couple months ago while 4080 and 4090 are almost 2 years old so you stop the BS. Yes regular 4080 is also faster than 3080 but 3080 had MSRP 700 on release and 4080 had MSRP 1200 so they cant even be compared since its completely different price range. 4070 pretty much matches 3080 in perfomance but it had release msrp 600 but by that time 3080 was already almost 3 years old so literally zero improvement in the same price range.
@@Marko-ij4vy That's been a trend that's gone on for far longer. Prices go down much slower and they just release higher tiers of top-end hardware. They don't want people to buy up old hardware for dirtcheap instead of new hardware with barely a performance increase for much more money. So instead they manipulate the market in such a way with various strategies to keep the price of older hardware up so that people will buy newer hardware.
I'll wait until these GPUs actually launch. I have a feeling 50 series will be better than the "leaks" suggest. Imagine a 5070 = 4070ti raster but 4090 level RT/PT. That's a very likely scenario for 50 series. Then, even the 60 class could be capable of high levels of RT/PT. That would be a game changer for RTX going forward.
What do you mean, think? With every generation,
cards have become cooler on average, and since 20 series, they have upgraded DLSS/RT performance. On top of being cooler, the 50s will be better.
I'm wanting 8K screens. 4K is really sharp and clear, even on games 7-10 years ago. 8K, even on emulators, shows a big jump from 4K.
I want to see how sharp PC games can be on an 8K screen. I really want that.
5060s less cores, 8GB gddr6 sounds about right
really seems like another FU to the customers by Nvidia. Then again like so many have said lately, Nvidia doesn't care about gamers anymore.
I don't care anymore I knew it was going to be bitter and sourdough at this point.
@@justhomas83 Don't disparage sourdough like that
The 5090 will be a beast and convince people that the rest of the range is good too. But they will be worse than what AMD will offer. But people will still throw their money at nVidia based on the 5090, not the crap they're wasting the money on.
So glad I got my 4090!
that's a monster card no reason for you to upgrade, you should technically be able to run all games smoothly if devs optimized all there games the correct way
If i wanted an 8gb gpu i would have bought a 3070 for thr last 2 years for cheap. Even a 7700xt with 12 gb is shit. Im not upgrading until 16gb and decent performance improvement is available.
Battlemage from intel could be good. Rumored to have a 256 bit bus 16GB ram gpu as their mid-high card.
are we not going to talk about the vram on the higher end mobile SKUs that are rumored this generation? Still tops out at 16gb
96 to 42 CU's from 5090 to 5080 ??? what the heck. thats not even half
because nvidia try to keep AMD alive.
Yep. Should be 72. A 4070 should have 48.
Well this makes me happy that I own a 14900k and 4090 rig.
Wanted to build my first rig this year looks like I’ll just get the 4070 ti super for the vram and max out 1440p
The RX 7900 XT has 4 gigabytes more vram and is $100~ cheaper brand new, great performance for less money.
yes go ahead . bought it at launch 😊in jan
I just t build a pc with ryzen 7600 and 4070 ti super. I think it will last a long time.
@@Cisuh84 nice 😊
Nshittyuh strikes again
If they dont increase VRAM for 5080 to 20GB+, no buy.
Nobody who buys these massively expensive cards buys them only for gaming.
"Nobody who buys these massively expensive cards buys them only for gaming."
this group of people tend to buy 5090.
I won’t buy any 5000 series if they come with the same VRAM and price.
Streamers: uhh really?
Lmao basically almost 50-40% of 4090 users are gamers. And
Hopefully the antitrust investigation pans out.
I don't know why everyone is shocked that the 5080 isn't going to surpass a 4090. Nvidia wants to sell cards to China and so the 5080 is the best AI card China can get
So replay from 40 series?
Correct 5000 series is basically a replay of overpriced GpUS and exposing Nivdias greed for AI
I wonder how the pricing is gonna look like...
Probably same as current gen with two exceptions. The 5090 will be 1999 and the 5080 likely 1199-1299. Don’t listen to this guy. The 5080 won’t match the 4090 due to the memory bus is much larger on the 4090.
Gonna be even more ridiculous when bimbos fall for the AI gimmicks.
Nvidia is printing money due to AI, do not expect them to waste wafer space for gaming consumer GPUs when they can use it for their AI class GPU.
@@VoldoronGamingIf 5080 gets GDDR7, then even with 256 bit bus it's memory bandwidth will be around 900 GB/s. Just 10% less than 4090's.
So if 5080 will not match 4090, it is solely due to lack of raw GPU power.
and again SM count downgrade for all chips under GB203
what a disgrace
It’s what happens when people buy from fanboyism and of course the ai market
@@VoldoronGaming fanboy most likely not even going to make it into 1% of sales.
and here's the real kicker nivida will calim "the newer achitecture will run better than the old " but take a LOOK at the 3000 to 4000 series jump cards like the 4070 and the 4060 sure are faster than the 3070 and 3060 .. but at frame rate average and top frames count look at the 1% lows and the 4070 is SLOWER than the 3070 . and the 4060 ijn the 1% lows is SLOWER than the 3060.
sure the 5000 series wil be faster than the 4000 series but yet again the frame time on these cards will be a mess making them far more prone to stutering than preivous gen was. jsut like the 4000 series is mosty prone to suttering copared to the 3000 series (excluding the 4080 and 4090 of course since both those card got deccent bandwidth) it'l be the same with the 5080 and 5090 they'll be the only cards that dont have horrible low 1% lows.
there is a point of diminishing returns into how high they can list it... for example say they increase the price 20% less people might buy it so there's a fine line and i believe anything over 2k is beyond that point 1700-1800 would sell 2x more cards vs a 2k price point imo
The 5060 ti will sell like hot cakes.
I might get that one
Simps are real
Gotta wait for the Super Duper Ti series to see any substantial gains. I just bought a 4070 Ti Super and I couldn't care less about this lackluster 50xx series.
the 30 and 40 series also are a "buy the xx90 or fuck you" generations too
Not at all, 3080/ti were fine and this time they were so gracious as to give us 4070ti super.
NO, it started with the 40 series. 3080 for $700 was very close to the 3090.
@@tomtomkowski7653 It was closer but it still made sense to get the 3090, 3080ti was almost identical to 3090.
@balck yep the fuck you generation are becoming more common.
The thing that would make the RTX 5090 a must have GPU is 48gb of ram...
Lmao in your dreams. The 4080 super is high end card and it has only 16 fucking vram. Keep wishing that's probably 6090 or 7090
Oh I thought your talking about 4080....but it still applys to it
@@MicocoiMyea I reckon the 5090 will be 28gb vram and the ti edition 32gb probably In late 2025
@@pearce_nz I don't think they will make even a ti version of it.
@@MicocoiM Yea they wouldn’t have any need because there’s no foreseeable competition at that perf level, but at the same time they can charge a bunch more for it because there’s always people chasing the best specs and they will definitely sell.
The data centre segment is where most of their profit is made. Gaming still earns them billions, though, and there is a lot of money to be made in that market if they do it right. It would make no sense for Nvidia to give gaming very little priority, considering it's their second largest business. It just won't be quite as high of a priority as AI. If anything, it would make the most sense if they indicated a strategic aim to strengthen its market across its data centre and gaming segment. However, Nvidia is completely nerfing the specs of the RTX 50 Series, except for the 5090. That is going to result in poor sales because there is no way people will be willing to pay for overpriced, crappy, nerfed GPUs. Nvidia is just wasting their own money by producing this crap that is going to receive nothing but criticism and just sit on shelves. They are not even close to maximising the amount of profit they can make in gaming. Nvidia's gaming segment is worth billions, and it definitely has the potential to grow way bigger. Nvidia treating it like a little side business makes no sense, and it's negatively impacting gamers.
RTX 50 series are gonna be an RTX 20 series 2.0
@@laszlozsurka8991 RTX 20 series 3.0*
@@laszlozsurka8991 already was with the 40 series bro
I think if AMD wanted to they could completely corner the gaming market below the high end (4k60/1440p120) and below with the way nVidia are pricing their stack.
@@tourmaline07 but they can't. if they can really do then they would do it long time ago. gamer need to face the reality.
Raster may not be that much faster, but gddr7 will have good uplift in path tracing
Yea I'm hoping for that I can't even run great demanding games like lords fallen maxed 4k with a monster 4070,or chronbyte
I'm hoping a 5070 should be able to get me good fps with these
I refuse to play them with the card I have now
@@cmoneytheman there’s not actually that many AAA games that I want to play badly enough to warrant upgrading from 1080ti? Maybe I’ll get 3090 or 4070ti super if they come down after the 50 launch.
@@delatroyi got 3080 12gb for 400 and 4070ti ventus 2x for 700 or 650 you want one
Video of 3080 on my page i can put up video of the other
Guess I'll be rocking my 3080ti for another generation. Nvidia out here SAVING me money frfr.
Good choice! 3080ti really was goated, the 4070tiS of past generation.
5070 series comes with 12GB VRAM lmao
everybody is taking about specs but not price they are going to charge for them
RTX 5090 - $2,500
RTX 5080 - $1,600
RTX 5070 - $900
RTX 5060 - $600
Take it or leave... and don't forget "the more you buy, the more you save"
@@laszlozsurka8991 RTX 5080 at $1600 doesn't sound feasible at all, lol. It's going to be $1200 at most, which is still insane.
Lol
@@laszlozsurka8991Wrong
@@ZackSNetwork No shit. No one knows the prices yet. I was making a joke.
Those of you looking to buy a cheap last gen card, I wouldn't expect the 4090 to drop in value much at all seeing as the 4090 will possibly be the 2nd fastest gaming GPU in the world lol. Thank God I can sit this next blood bath gen out on my 4080super
Correct same rtx 4080 in my second PC for arcade cabinet and ROM station. I'm in no rush to build another system. I'll wait three years before I think about something else when the time comes.
Thank god i bought a second hand 4090 last june for $1300
most 4090 stock will be gone by the time nvidia launch 5090. and the way i heard it nvidia stop the production of 40 series very early this time around.
Why do so many pretend more than 0.1% of people care about the 4090? People can't afford that crap.
Once again, really tiny dies
Why should I buy this?
@@josh93824 Hard to say, but the core count and bandwidth both massively increase. So one could expect 50%+ more performance.
I guess there will be some new gimmick that makes the 5000 series even more powerful, like DLSS 3.0 was for Ada.
You shouldn't.
Nvidia doesn't have to push hard since AMD is quite behind in the tech battle. Nevertheless, I went for a 7900 XT a year ago when I saw the specs for the 4070 and I'm very happy with my choice not having to deal with Nvidia anymore.
Amd should just retire from desktop gpus Nvidia has always dominated there
I'll upgrade my current gpu in 2 gens whenever AMD decides it's worth it to make a high end navi again
They might do what they did with the RTX 4070 TI Super which isn't a 4070 die, it's a cut down 4080.
this makes me think prices won't be insane, it would be another 30 series or 10 series
Buying a 7900 XTX on sale for £879 looks better and better... It will keep my 4K OLED going for a few more years.
I'm switching to that.
The 5080 will likely have 4090D levels of performance because they have to sell it in China. It's looking pretty grim for gamers. Either get the 5090 and suffer the crazy price, or choose between a used 4090 or a 5080
Never thought i'd see an 80 class just barely match a previous gen flagship in raster instead of eclipsing it.
You act like more than 1% of people can afford that crap. Gamers want mid and mid-high range cards.
@@renatoramos8834 Yes there will always be plenty of that. But this is about the high end.
@@renatoramos8834gamers just have bad money management as a whole…if u save literally $150-$200 every month u will be able to afford whatever card u want…
I remain happy with my 7900xtx
thank you I will buy amd.
I was thinking about it but I'm pretty much focusing on AMD gpus next after having mostly Nvidia gpus for years.
Same here I think AMD has improved a lot with their drivers at least in gaming
I'm too poor to afford the rtx 5030.
its almost charitable of Nvidia to raise the celling and make sure to leave room in the value market for competition. Team green makes money elsewhere so they just want the glory now.
Nvidia satisfies their investors. Their major income doesn't come from gamers anymore, they don't care about you. AI sells and datacenters will pay a lot more than any gamer market will. Face it, gaming is dead due to greed.
I will never buy a card that melts itself even though I was ultra rich, I only buy things that work and don't give me headache.
Will the 5090 burn too?
It will burn straight to your wallet
5070 is where 16gb VRAM should start. I can see the xx60 being 12GB (NOT 8), as that's a 1080p card, or DLSS abusing 1440p card, perhaps. 5060 is mainstream and should not have less than 12GB in 2024 and the 5070 is at the cross roads of high end and mainstream and in todays world that means 16gb off vram. The 5080 should do 24 and the 5090 32, given the prices they charge, which feature ridiculous levels of markup - over 100%, sometimes well over.
That said, 6400 shaders is also a bit lol for the 5070. I guess they want to make it easier for intel to challenge the 5070, for some reason - in Battlemage we hope. 🙏
for 90->80->70 it should be ~24,000, 12,000, and 8,000, at the least, to not be pathetic.
@bi I argee the only GPU where 8GB is allowed is the 5050. Anything above that should have 12GB
Completely right.
I do not give a single freak about AI malware on my gpu or my pc its all spyware, I wont allow it thank Richard Stall man I am on Linux and will have the option and perhaps even be forced to not have AI generated malware on my PC. I might go AMD next, next gen, got a 4070s now and will use it for 2 years before upgrading, hopefully I can still upgrade to a non malware GPU then.
I mean makes sense. Nvidia doesn't really have to try to cover the market right now so they will hold some of there cards haha get it. But for real they will hold some back and wait until they need it to push competition when let's say amd gets closer lol.
Even if everyone is wrong and it's better it's still smart to get the ones from this generation tbh.
Either that or we can't relate performance to specs as much anymore due to archecture. As you proved with the 3080 to 4080. We could still see a massive jump in performance who knows? Lol
Or nvidia is sandbagging and wanted it to be leaked so amd releases there cards confidently snd then bam nvidia gets the last laugh in yet again.
I'd really like to see the G-assist used for progman applications like unreal engine etc
I originally doubted Nvidia would gimp the 5080 just so it could ship into China but Im starting to think they will.
Yes it will and it will be a lose lose situation
how much difference in percentage according to u between 4090 and 5090
Nvidia, grooming gamers well to accept less is always more since the 2000 series 👍
Yep 2000 series started this whole Faisco with AI and greed
*My people are telling me 5090 has 28GB of Vram*
My people are saying screw Nivdia and their prices
Nvidia doing amazing advertizing for Intel's battlemage gpus.
They didn't over-stocked on rtx 4000 series card(they were overstocked with 3000 series cards, that's why they brought framegen), so nvidia won't gatekeep any technology with rtx 5000-4000 series. Anyone who have 4070ti super or better can wait out 5000 series. Vram configs won't change probably. 5090 -> 28gb / 5080 -> 16gb / 5070ti -> 16gb / 5070 -> 12gb and so on...
Kenworth still release the K220 in Australia, i don't see why they won't sell them in the US. Some people would buy them.
"What alternative do you have?" Stick with my older card, play my existing Steam library, turn down the graphical settings, maybe get a different hobby...
I am looking to perhaps buy next gen, and would love to put some money up for a 5090, would not have to upgrade that card for the rest of my life.. LOL but I think I would be more disappointed in Intel 15th gen then Nvidia 5090..
i only hope that BG207 is for a laptop version of the 5060 or for the 5050, cuz no way they are releasing a desktop 5060 with even less cuda cores than the previous 2 generations and no GDDR7...
Why do you think there will be a 5050 gpu. GB207 will be the 5060..
I don't know what people expected. That the 5080 would match or lose to a 4090 was inevitable. And it's not entirely NVIDIAs fault. Remember that the US government banned the sale of 4090s and cut down 4090s to China and censored nvidia for trying to finess around the restrictions. The 5080 is all but confirmed to be the gpu earmarked for global release, including China. For that to happen it needs to be on that line of not as good as a 4090.
Violating those laws could result in large fines or at worst nvidia on the OFAC list of SDNs and banned from transacting in the US and having everything seized.
I think I'll hold on to the 4090 and not upgrade to a 5090.
I promised myself not to upgrade my 4090 after the headache to aquire it. 😂 Don't want to deal with that again. (Founders edition fyi)
Yeah same, I'll just get the money's worth out of my 4090fe. Maybe skip a couple of gens and do a complete new system?
I think i will stick with AMD...
@@misterijaaaa truly the better choice. No sarcasm.
I just built a PC after spending years playing games on Xbox. I didnt want to wait for the 50 series cards so i got a Zotac 4070Ti in order to tide me over but as it turns out, its a great card and ill probably hold out for the 60 series now.
Keeping in mind that the Steam hardware survey shows that 90% of the GPUs are xx60 class - 3060, 2060, 1060 and 4060 - I don't think Nvidia's stratospherically priced new GPUs will be selling like freshly baked bread ...
I'm happy I didn't hold off for the 5000 series.
The less you buy the less you spend. 🙃
I think we are at a point where improvements will be mostly through RT and Tensor cores for gamers who don't go top tier.
Unless AMD gets it together and introduces hardware upscaling and much better RT, I think the biggest gains will be in DLSS with a newer frame gen, better ray reconstruction, and path tracing being viable at lower price points.
My bet is AMD are moving to multi Die GPUs wich would effectively give nvidia strong competition. given that AMD are moving to a new built from the ground up architecture this possibility is extremely likely. I believe this is also why they arent putting as many resources into RDNA 4 because they plan to come out with this brand new architecture some time in 2025.
@@clintonsmythers4478 I hope you're right. I would love to build an all red pc again
Bunch of hopium in your post.
dude, the whole RT is a scam. Look at Cyberpunk, it's filled with completely unnecessary reflective surfaces just to lower the performance of manufacturer that didn't pay the devs. That shit has absolutely no value to the quality of the image.
@@VoldoronGaming The last time AMD built an architecture from the ground up they kicked intels ass and are still causing them alot of pain on the cpu side. Nvidia is doing the same mistake intel did where they are too comfortible being ahead and not innovating to give people more performance per dollar.
They are going to pay for it in the end just like intel did.
Intel used to charge a hefty premium for their cpus like over 1000 dollars then when ryzen came along that shut down their gravy train.
If AMD comes out with multi die gpus wich is what i am expecting say goodbye to 1600 dollar gpus.
I think Moore's Law is working here, but Nvidia don't want to tell it customers that - as they may feel cheated. The chips can only get so many transistors on them , and each generation has only turned into architectural changes now.
You’re comparing the wrong tiers. The 4080 replaced the 3080 ti because both have the same msrp. The 265 bit bus is lower than the 384 bit of the 4090. 25/30% faster than the 4080? Unlikely because of that severely cut down memory bus in comparison to the 4090. I’m expecting 15-20% due to the vram and clock speeds increases.
so probably there will be super , ti or super ti cards coming to fill in the gaps , especially between the 5080 and 5090
what if the 5080 is a cut down gb202?
lol i didnt finish the video. great minds think alike. the 4080 sold like doo doo so MAYBE the 5080 will be a cut down gb202 and well see a 5050 this time.
5060 needs to run path tracing 1080p, even if at 30fps. Besides that, native 1080p high settings for all next gen games is enough for it.
got a 7900XT like a couple of months ago for like half price of a RTX 4090 it was a bargain
got the the 7900xtx they are great cards
Same except I got the 4070ti super.
Should they do Titan instead of 5090 ? 5070, if price is right, should be the best selling card, if it beats 3090ti.
4090 and 5090 are titan in everything but name my dude, back when they did titan cards it stopped at xx80 or xx80 ti
This will lead to AMD gaining much more of the market especially the mid to low end. Who would buy a 5080 that is not more powerful than the 4090? all other 80 series generations have been over the previous 90 series. For my self it is a bad move I want a better improvement. If the 8800xtx is 15% faster than a 7900xtx and cost less than the 5080 I will grab that instead, it will have more Vram which I do value also. Really what is possibly worse is the lower 5070/5060 cards staying 12 gb vram and having way less performance. The previous 70 series has beat/or been on par with 80 series of past gen too. Customers are used to this and will not make a purchase. We can always hope we are wrong.
AMD already gain market share against nvidia before. hence AMD market share for discrete GPU was as high as 20% back in Q4 last year. but it drop back to 12% in Q1...because gaming is unreliable market.
@@arenzricodexd4409That's a convenient explanation, no Nvidia stomped them out with the refresh. 4070S trounced 7800XT, 4070tiS the 7900XT and 4080S matched the price of the XTX.
@@anitaremenarova6662 gamer in general buy less. That's why AMD gaming revenue drop significantly at 48% YoY in Q1. Usually even if gpu sales are low semi custom (which mostly console) will cover that lack of sales from gpu. Hence AMD gaming revenue usually in the range of 1.4 billion to 1.7 billion. But in the their latest earning gpu and semi custom combined the revenue did not even reach 1 billion. AMD still able to make 5.5 billion in revenue thanks to increasing sales of their MI accelerator. As for nvidia their gaming gpu still able to post formidable 2.6 billion (18% increase YoY) in revenue in Q1 because their gpu is a lot more useful than just gaming.
2080 was barely faster than 1080ti and even slower in high resolutions
Nothing but speculation
Great video, I think this is spot on. No competition from AMD, Chinese Sanctions, it's almost obvious what we will get here.
Ya the good thing is that, current gen stuff even the RX 6000 series and rtx 30 series are fast enough to fulfill the needs for the vast majority. Unless you're someone who's hellbent on playing at 4K ultra path tracing you've got nothing to worry about.
what annoys me most is the normalization of the idea amongst the young bucks among us, is that with every new generational increase in performance, price should also be increased. It shouldn't,/ That's not normal, so stop talking like it should be.
then ask TSMC to reduce the price of their wafer each time they come up with a new one.
@@arenzricodexd4409 TMSC is not the problem.
Everyone like... "Give me a 2048 memory bus, I want a 1000 watt GPU that is the same as their server GPU that sells for $40,000" smh
Do boots taste good?
Wait, Nvidia said the X090 series is supposed to be the quadro, so no new qadros right ?! Ofcourse not, its just shrinkflation + lies...
I won’t be surprised if Nvidia decide to cut down the GB202 on 5090 to 20480 cuda cores and 384 bit bus width
It already got cut from 512bit to 448 stop being delusional as hell.
shouldn't they just rebrand the 40 series cards to 50 to cut costs. People will buy them anyway. 🤭
So xx60 tier will fall even more now it's like 4050 with 50series it will be 5040 Ti 👍 but with that card their connector will pose no fire threat but if that card run some RT well...then maybe it will make some sense i guess
I expect 3 SKU based on GB202, 5080-5080TI-5090 with price starting at 1200$
GB203 will most likely be 5070ti priced at 800/900$. Providing around 25% better price/performance compared to last gen.
Keep dreaming, it'll just be a repeat of this gen. GB202 only 5090, GB203 the 5080 and 5070ti
It is absolutely understandable neither Nvidia nor AMD sell top end for less then they can charge.
I am pretty sure Nvidia will soon hit limits of enthusiast possibilities.. Drop prices or simply make refresh as they used to do.
Many AIBs left discrete gpu PC market. Just reading Techpowerup custom gpus listing for current gpus. Less competition at AIBs means even worse selection.
But I don't worry we would end up in spiral pricing of hardware.
Btw that AI gaming assistant in competitive games could end up as unfair advantage and try then control players pc for running such app.
Awaiting for 'the gimps sleeping... Well we're just going to have to wake him now aren't we?' memes.
bro what will be the price of rtx 5070?
$500 and 12GB VRAM if you are lucky
@@AnonymousUser-ww6ns bro then it's more cheaper than 4070.....bcz 4070 cots around 720$