We Can Play Anything and THIS is what you Bring?!?! | Commander Clash S17 E24
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Richard: "if I was playing a different color and had the answer from that color this game would be over"
Richard dying to aggro after durdling too hard? No way
@@chrono3920 I agree, but also everyone else died too. lol. Seth’s deck was very strong and no one had answers.
Sometimes you wish things were different 😢
Seth: Norin puts everyone on a 2 turn clock
Tomer: Card advantage engine up and running
Phil: Literally comboing off threatening to kill everyone
Richard: "I'll tap 4 and play solemn"
Every commander player ever fs haha
What a great showing of mana rocks this game, man those cards really helped their players accelerating and being proactive, they seem pretty good.
How many land drops did every miss? I still think it'd be better to play more lands than rely on rocks
@@alecrodriguez3969 If my quick glance is correct the only person to miss a land game 1 was Seth. So the only missed land drop had nothing to do with ramp. Edit - Phil missed his turn 7 land too, after having normally very safe card draw disrupted, but it's fairly doubtful that that mattered at all.
Guarantee Richard will blame him losing on the colors instead of realizing if you're playing izzet you need to have mana rocks and interaction
Yeah, more people should play these weird mana artifacts. I'm afraid they'll never catch on, as they just get destroyed so easily. /s
@@Lucarioguild7 No countermagic in Izzet is wild. Even spellslinger storm can play modal spells that have counterspell modes.
21:29 "I promise there is no clone in here......I lied" lol I love how Phil's voice conveys surprise, apologetic, excitement and disappointment almost at the same moment 🤣.
I've tried watching other commander game channels, but nothing beats MTGgoldfish. (Tolarian Academy are aight because of the prof's charisma). You got ONE behind the scene where they explain the goal of each of their decks in 1 minutes or less, then they just play the game and show a "printed" version of the card when they play one.
-nothing obnoxious to cut the flow of the video
-No overacted, forced "jokes" to clip bait
-No exaggerated SFX
-No random behind the scenes to explain EACH play like it's a damned documentary (what the hell is that)
-Friendly banter that doesn't drag over 20 minutes.
I can't express how more fun the MTG goldfish videos are to watch than other channels.
I love their games because it views as just a group of friends playing a game, not 4 influencers battling for the most meta fourth wall-breaking bad jokes.
"-No random behind the scenes to explain EACH play like it's a damned documentary (what the hell is that)"
AMEN TO THAT!
Completely agree, Clash makes me feel like im a part of the crew!
@@zeaol "breaking bad"
You're allowed to just say you don't like the command zone...
I love how excited Tomer always is to say Clash On, he's having so much fun :p
This game really demonstrates the issues in Richard's philosophy. I have a Kylox deck which wins very regularly and looks very different to this. You want rituals, in fact as many spells as possible so you dont miss. Izzet doesnt care about slow ramp and accruing value. Win fast or die young
Yup, seems like he's forcing his durdle strategy into decks to prove a point
Facts❤
That's not demonstrating an issue it's demonstrating a different deck lol.
Clicked for Norin the Wary content
Sorry but there is no Norin content to be found.
Same.
The fact that you showed up means that Norin already exiled himself, sorry.
Sorry, he just blinked himself.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander he will be back soon
One of my friends has a Norin deck, and I absolutely abhor it. Every time he plays it I exclusively target him for everything. Seth's Norin deck gave the same feeling as my friend's deck, well done Seth.
Richard having 1 nonland permanent on the field on turn 4 is funny to me.
To be fair, that's his MO. Establish slowly on the board state with things like bounce lands, tapped utility lands, durdle ramp, etc and let his opponents develop at a normal speed. Then -- because of the nature of casual commander -- when Phil and Seth spend resources attacking each other Richard is left with an advantageous position.
Richard plays like their pods have 3x Shatterstorm, 3x Vandalblast and 3xAnzrag's Rampage in each of their decks.
@@imaginarymatter He can't keep getting away with it!!!!
its even funnier when u realise that was technically his turn 5
@@imaginarymatter Oh it's absolutely his MO. And you can see how well it works when the other decks do anything reasonable here. The point is that his MO doesn't work unless everyone is durdling. He goes over the top of other durdle decks, which works well in the normal Goldfish meta, but the moment someone bothers to be proactive he dies.
As one of the store regulars tonight would say at 8:10 'nice explore, nerd!'
norin build was one of the coolest builds I've seen on commander clash, never seen that card before
It's a classic but before you build it you should be aware that because it's very linear and not really interactive your play group might start groaning after playing it a couple of times.
Try running a Rocco list whereas it's secret commander is Norin having 2 other colors.
@@ankhi3585 yup
0:49 Norin the Wary! That dude is AMAZING in my Arbaaz Mir Boros Historics deck, it’s basically 4 pings per turn cycle on the whole table.
Just thinking about how funny it would be to Stifle the Norin return to the battlefield trigger. Goodbye forever 🤣
didnt Phil reveal a Tale's end too
I dont think you can? Doesn't casting the stifle create a new trigger that exiles norin prior to the countering of the first trigger?
@@coincidenceXtheory Norin isn't on the battlefield when the return trigger goes on the stack so you can freely cast a stifle in response.
Ah..i missed that it was specifically the RTB trigger. My bad. Yep, that does in fact do the thing.
The One Ring should be banned next season. It's honestly a game killer for me. Absurdly powerful with basically no downside.
YOU GO TOMER! SHOW GNOMERCY!
Mechtitan has lifelink!!!
@@Valdreag17 but he couldn't gain life via lifelink because Phil copied the Rampaging Ferocidon with his Machine God's Effigy
So today we saw Richard’s theory on mana production completely backfire. He spent his mid game turns playing weird ramp that meant quicker decks killed him before he was able to do anything with all his mana. He built a deck that should have played mana rocks, he needed to ramp early so he can control the board and his 3 and 4 mana ramp failed to get him in a position to compete.
I generally AGREE with Richard’s hot takes but I think in a deck without land ramp, or a way to wipe all permanents off the board (farewell, white sweepers) his theory falls flat. He should’ve just played a couple rocks.
His general theory of ramp by any means into sweepers is solid theory but you can see how bad the plan is when you only have half of it in your deck.
Finally I would note the Richard’s decks have become so homogeneous that they are boring. His ramp package and plans are the same for every deck so we see a solemn and ojar Oxanal (the red ixalan god) and other tools every game instead of seeing variance like we do from Seth and Tomer.
Love the content, love this casting, thanks guys.
I'm not sure why he's not abusing cards that break parity if he's so hellbent on playing weird land ramp? Shatterstorm and similar effects are very strong if it can't set you back on mana. Put your money where your mouth is and blow up the rocks.
realest comment
This is kind of a bad take ngl, Tomer was ramping and developing his board, had his commander trigger multiple times, and was playing artifacts, and he literally died to the exact same thing as Richard. Goes to show that you can spew a bunch of permanents onto the board or not, but if Gayruda just does it's thing, you're gonna die anyways. Idk why everyone is so gungho to harp on Richard on this sample of 1 when it literally is just fine most weeks and they just have to deal with it.
@DylanHunter64 because everyone else played a dynamic game of commander and Richard just died twice.
@@CthulhuBut2FeetTall He died twice because the second game was against the same decks. Norin is uniquely hard to deal with and Gayruda just needs to etb for stuff to get insane. People forget that Norin used to be a lot of people's most hated deck because it's super effective and slippery and a lot of decks (including Tomer's) had a hard time dealing with it.
I think it's time to discuss adding the one ring to your house ban list.
Seconding this. A card that passes the groan test (for players and viewers) that's an auto-slot in literally any deck? Its time to get rid of it.
Palantir of Orthanc could slot in place of One Ring, its more exciting as a viewer.
In my playgroup Palantir just draws a card every turn
they should add Farewell to the house ban list so Richard can play a real deck
Richards ramped twice in Izzet and had nothing on board. How could he have lost?
True! According to Richard himself on literally every podcast, he was a hundred percent to win that game.
What's even the point of this comment? Tomer ramped a bunch, played his commander and was doing exactly what his deck wanted, and he literally died to the exact same thing. What he did was basically moot because Phil's Gayruda went nutso
The Tome and The One Ring was really interesting to see that the “cool synergy” with the Commander card was less good than the generically powerful FIRE designed Ring.
I thought the same thing, cool synergy card that was built up over like 4 turns instantly outclassed
yeah it's a shame. individual cards should never be stronger than two cards that synergise. sadly that's not how it is.
It was terrible seeing two cardboard rectangles side by side, with the Tome doing nothing. Imagine Tome didn't tap. You just get counters and pay 1 to draw. The Ring would still be better even in Norin, let alone a deck where the commander attacks every turn.
I know this will annoy Richard but they played a lot of mana rocks, which survived the whole game, and gave Seth enough mana in two separate occasions to play cards ahead or have enough mana to double spell to win the game. He’s so high on his own supply.
The Ring was probably the one single card in the entire format that kept Seth from just automatically losing that first game. Card is so stupid.
Deck design is basically add the One Ring, then choose a commander 😅
Congratulations to Tomer for not being tempted by the Ring, when he is the only one running an Artifact deck.
I just watched a game where he copied a one ring someone else had, but then he also reset it with his own one ring 🤣
I really want to build a Vorel of the Hull Clad Deck in which I shut off my opponent's The One Ring with Pithing Needle to then double the burden counters on The One Ring over and over again :D.
Seth missing menace to kill Phil game 2, punished by the alt art lol ; D
Lol, it really was the alt-art punishment. I forgot it has menace and it wasn't obvious looking at the card.
@ Luckily the king of Paranoia won in the end. Norin is such a funny card. I feel bad for him whenever he gets paired against my Tim’s deck, his one true natural predator
43:22 “Mana rocks are pointless because the just die”
richard finds out that without white, he cannot ditch rocks and go slow mode.
Richard saying the one week he doesn't play white sweepers would change the game. IMO one good targeted removal would have changed both games.
Yeah, but you can get rid of both Phil and Seth's board with one card instead of just doing a one for one
@@jackalvonstone250 Yes I agree it does more but between 4 decks in 2 games we saw 0 targeted removal.
To be honest I looked at their decklist the number of removal is laughable and sad
Chaos Warp from any of the 3 players on Purphoros changes game 1 drastically. Plus its a fun card as a viewer.
@@jackalvonstone250 Cyclonic Rift, Nevinyrral's Disk, Oblivion Stone, All is Dust, Aether Gale, Hurkyl's Final Meditation, Coastal Breach, Devastation Tide... the list goes on... no clue why Richard's insists he needs white for that.
Extra turn ramp 😂 Richard at his best ❤
Hey Seth, if you like norin. A fun way to brew Him, is with the Naya rocco tutor commander. Let's you get norin out for 4 mana eith rocco and run 2 more color. Norin is also hard to kill so no worries about losing him.
That sounds sweet! I might have to try to give it a try.
Commander Clash is one of my favorite times of the week. Keep it up y'all!
Sick deck from Seth and awesome to see Richard trying out all these tech cards
No Crim and Richard not playing white is a recipe for disaster. Probably like 1 board wipe among all the decks that hits permanents. True LGS experience.
i didnt mind it, they were solid games and not a bunch of durdling with phil getting wiped 3 times
The game could have gone to any of the three players right up until the Raptors came out. Even then it was still a battle between Seth and Phil. I wouldn't call that a disaster. More like an exciting game of magic.
Missed impact tremors tigger from gimli @38:33 which does end up mattering
they end up fixing it at 49:00
@@tyberiousmcelvogue6345 Unless I am missing it they only go over the tremors trigger from the dino but they never go back and take the 1 damage from when Gimli ETB. If I missed the heath taking a extra hit then apologies.
@@joshuan3265 you might be right i heard him say and 1 damage so idk really about gimil
@ ya IDK. I don't think it really messed with the match in any way.
The Norin deck was awesome!
It was def the most powerful. Looks really fun too.
Thanks!
Y’all should absolutely do a “no color restriction” challenge. The 99 are not restricted by your commander’s color identify. Broken? Absolutely. Fun? Indubitably
The decks with mana rocks got ahead? Richard! What happened? :P
But, Seth didn’t play a mana rock nor did phill. Tomer with the mana rocks did nothing this game. I don’t think he lost because of the mana rocks. He lost because of a lack of interaction. This is a classic game, where the threat takes over a game with no interaction.
@@tanercakir3544 In game 1 & 2 Phil played Heartless Summoning which I would argue is mana rock adjacent since it is a nonland that ramps you that can easily be destroyed in a wrath. Game 2 Phil played Arcane Signet, Talisman, and Machine God's Effigy. And in Game 2, Seth played both Thought Vessel and Throne of Eldraine. Seth won in part thanks to all the mana he had. You aren't wrong interaction would've helped, but it's not accurate to say mana rocks did nothing.
@@mcfluffy52 ah yes enchantment wraths
So common
@@velphidrow Richard seems to believe all nonland permanents are at risk of a wrath. That is why I phrased it that way. In the MTGGoldfish pod, they tend to play Hour of Relevation or Farewell type of wraths that hit all permanents.
@mcfluffy52 oh
Yeah Richard has wild assessment in EDH and I really think he's just.... not great. But I also think people who only play EDH quickly stagnate in skill level 99.9% of time
Complaining about Garuda play patterns and yet not acknowledging that Norin is equally as narrow. Lol
sure, but Norin is cool
Seth, one thing to note, on the second game, you could have put Norin into the command zone on any of the exile triggers. Probably would’ve saved you a few life points
Glad to see that the Richard play style was destroyed in this one 👍. Keep it up!
For anyone wondering: Gyruda clones finish resolving at about 26:00 .
"It's not a clone deck!"
You guys know you’re supposed to shuffle your deck in between games right? 😅
I've had a Norin deck for a couple years (haven't played it in a while.) This vid just motivated me to dust it off and update it with a couple new cards! Thanks, Seth!
Glad you liked it! The deck is super fun!
Caverns of Ixalan was my first set and i instantly fell in love with Tetzin. My favorite commander by far
I love that the video starts and they make fun of Seth then he absolutely crushes everyone.
My Grist the Hunger Tide also has 53 "hits" lol
51 insect creatures and 2 Kindred spells with Changeling
Nice wildfire tech Tomer
1st game, Phil makes the play of the game... for Seth, and inadvertently gives a good example of why The One Ring probably should never have been printed followed by a second example of why it probably should have never been printed.
that was the perfect example of 1) don't pop off when the opponent has protection from The One Ring and 2) always kill the pinger deck first.
True, but Phil consistently prioritizes popping off over winning.
@tanvirrahman7339 true
@samsprqgue3158 also true
His decks are explosive fire design piles every time
Seth. If youre doing a deck around the old norin, you should make a deck around the new norin.
I haven't really figured out how to use that one yet, but once I do I'll make a deck with it for sure!
@MTGGoldfishCommander dude. I would freaking love it. That would be super funny.
One card that seems sorely missing from Tomer's deck is Oltec matterweaver. You can really easily make copies of your best artifacts, and this frequently leads to crazy things like an army of illustrious wanderglyphs.
Richard was so open! After the extra turn spell😂 is he getting away with it?😂
Wow Richard not playing green or white and tries to play his normal strategy and doesn’t do anything in 2 games lol
1:03:00 - Tomer's creatures have protection from black because of the Glory in upkeep so Phil can't block here, Tomer should hit him for 6 with Goldengear Colossus for lethal, and then Seth can take lethal from the Mechtitan, so Tomer should win on this turn.
Tetzin's attack trigger to make 2 gnomes would have killed him from the machine god's effigy
also his mechtitan has lifelink so in the event he wasn't able to kill everyone he would be at 12 life not 2
The Mechtitan wasn't on the battlefield at that time, so it didn't gain the protection. They mentioned it briefly. Also. The lifelink was nullified by the Machine Gods Effigy copy of the Rampaging Ferocidon because it says that players can't gain life.
That Norin deck, did way better than I anticipated :) Always fun to watch!
“So I play the thing I’ve wanted to play for a long time… so deal with it.”
Man, I love this energy, lol. I’ve recently adapted it into my play group too when they start whining about every little thing.
Thanks Phill, now I want to make even demons
Crazy idea: if there is a set that comes out with 4 precons, each person picks a deck and can make upgrades on it up to a certain price.
Also that was super fun!
Seth should have thrown in confusion in the ranks to make it 'choas' just to tilt tomer
Also just going to say always love seeing norn the wary!
Ha, I thought about it, but figured that might be a bit too much.
Kudos to Seth for his New Year's resolution.
I've done good so far! We'll see how long I can keep it up :)
Wow, the DOUBLE win for Seth! Definitely building this deck as I’m writing this!
11:22
Oney: "Wait- Did you say, gnomestruck, Tomar?"
It looks like this was the first time of Phil playing against Purphoros and Noris and wow, it shows. Both are so good together that you have to stop and talk with the table inmediately to see what to do.
I was excited for phils deck until he just played clones
@Richard, @MTGGoldfishCommander , after the Toma mana rock episode, I'm looking forward to a video on how to ramp without green. I’ve tried some of your tech and would love to learn more about it!
I loved the game but man looking at Richard board state both games with almost nothing but lands lol . His play style is so greedy and reliant on board wipes/ other people using removal. In a combo meta or aggressive attacking meta I don't think his expensive land ramp would cut it.
How is Tomer going to survive all those Farewells
Sweet Sweet Norin Content!
Would love an opposite day commander where every bit of text does the opposite thing. Life gain = life loss, death touch = protection touch etc.
See how quickly you can break it
Hey is the a video that explains what frowned on or banned in this season?
We haven't changed seasons yet, but when we do and update the ban list in a couple of weeks we'll make sure to post it somewhere.
And with that, Tomer discovered the power of Pauper
Love seeing Gimli. I run him in my Jund legends deck, usually ends being teamed up with a dashing Ragavan
My favorite deck is a Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer deck. in which i always cast him for X=1 to get my hidden commander, Norin! so obviously i loved this ep
Phil giving Seth a taste of his own ping-menu was so satisfying to watch. You also see how Seth really didn't appreciate it. Very tasty.
Dang never thought I’d catch this at upload time, let’s go!!
The little tomer dance at 1:15 xD
I never thought about using Norin in that way. I wanna do that now.
I have all 4 of those decks. My Be’lakor deck has no copy effects and features many more demons with drawbacks (the only true demons). But it was fun to see my decks compete against each other!
Looks like Richard really regretted not playing [bye-bye forever!]
Blink Norin is genius. I may need to build that now. 😅
I think you don't necessarily need boompile or board wipes. Just removals or enchantment removal would of made Norin way less scary. Every color has ways to deal with Impact tremors!!
I have jank ramp for Richard. Abstruse Archaic. You can play it on 4 mana just like your scampering surveyor and ojers. Then every turn after it survives it copies your solemns, surveyors, compasses, wayfarer's baubles, even fetchlands and demolition fields, in addition to having a decent body. Seems right up his ally.
MY BOY NORIN!!!!!! AAAHHHHH!
I actually have like 4 decks with him at the helm that are all surprisingly different.
I have a piece of tape on his sleeve for easy blinking.
1:00:11 Did i miss something? How is Seth blocking a flying demon with Ragavan?
Phil attacked with Harvester of Souls (from 55:03). No Flying, just Deathtouch.
Tomer instead of an indestructible land you can also use flagstones of trokair
Poor phil, he made such an effort to get the plants, but they were meant to die to state based actions
Dagger is a very weird card, it makes 0/2 plants with Defender, not the more common 0/1 plants. So even with Heartless Summonings they live.
2:12 Richard obligatory Farewell comment
ok seth deck looks so fun loved it.
Great clash :)
seeying Norin warming my heart. Cant wait to finnish my brew with Him....
NORIN THE WARY!!! My favorite commander omg i clicked so fast xD
Im not sure if im missing something, but didnt tomer swing a 10/10 lifelinker at phil near the end of the second game and miss the lifelink? i feel like 10 extra life wouldve made a difference there at the end
Phil's Machine God Effigy copied Rampaging Ferocidon, which among other text has "players can't gain life"
@Niuttuc ahhh alright thank you
was pumped to see tomer's deck
During Tomer's second combat @1:02:57, The Golden Gear Colossus should've had Protection from Black from the Glory play earlier in the turn meaning Be'lakor couldn't block. They said "...and Tomer would die". Why? What am I missing?
The colossus attacking would have triggered it, creating two 1/1 gnome tokens, which with the Rampaging Ferocidon-copy Machine God's Effigy, would have dealt 2 damage to Tomer long before combat damage, and Tomer was at 2 life. The Effigy was also stopping the lifegain from the Mechtitan.
I saw noran the wary and am so excited. I have a noran cedh deck and it’s such a blast
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we use our jazz-hands to resurrect an all-time classic. Will Seth's original recording top the charts or will Richard's hip-hop cover smash all previous records? Tune-in to find out!
Tomer's deck was sick. Richard's seemed outclassed this week, which is unusual for him. I guess aggro or combo decks aren't great machups for his deckbuilding style
He is always outclassed and is only getting away with it because no one in the pod dare to attack him when he durdles and do nothing.
@@munsulight721this ☝️. Yep. And they still barely attacked him this episode.
@@munsulight721Lol you know he and Tomer almost certainly don't die if Seth doesn't have a One Ring, the literal only card in the format keeping him alive from Phil's crazy turn.
Haven't even watched yet but Tetzin is so awesome
Let’s go, even demons! I literally just made the swap to Gyruda companion on Be’lakor, too
At the last turn wouldnt the commander had to blink out because of the skullclamp cast?
The Skullclamp wasn't cast, it was tutored to the battlefield directly by a triggered ability from Urza's Saga
@Niuttuc you are right!!! Thanks for the correction
At the end of the second game phil couldn't block tomer since tomer gave all his creatures pro black at the beginning of the turn or was I missing something.
Tomer gave protection from black to all the creatures he had when he activated Glory. Mechtitan entered long after that so it didn't have protection from black.
I see I guess I didn't see why he didn't swing all at Phil then give haste and swing in with mech titan at Seth during second combat should have been enough to get the kill on both didn't realize the miss on the land. 😂
In Richard’s defense, the Selesnya Wrath and Ramp deck he recommended would probably have destroyed this table.
Richard's usual strategies seemed not to really play out properly either time this game. Bad draws?
I think his reactive style is a little rougher to make work when you have 2 decks that just incidentally do damage to players without having to attack directly
Probably going overboard with greedy unimpactful cards 😅.
1:03:50 shouldn't tomer be dead to phil's copy of the ferocidon pinging him when his commander makes gnomes on attack?
That was caught at around 01:03:10 so Tomer decided to attack Phil with just the Mechtitan core as a result, it might not have been the most clear in the video
I’ve always had a soft spot for Norin because of someone at our store. I brewed a Rocco deck that always tutored him out once but it wouldn’t have mashed with the current scene.