Really heartbreaking just seeing someone's belongings, packed neatly by someone no doubt giddy with excitement at going travelling, emptied with indifference into the dirt.
Right. But it takes two to Tango, the airlines management should have known better and avoided that airspace knowing that it was a conflict zone, many airlines did this unfortunately Malaysia airlines did not.
It's a legit question. It was a war zone for months. Passenger planes can't be allowed anywhere near the area with active AA defence. It was the responsibility of Ukrainian flight control and Malasyan company not to let them fly there.
@@Mandrak789 …..and it still flew there. Most airlines didn’t do anything about that area until after the incident. Delta 7 and 8 were long flights back in the day. After that incident they were a bit longer.
@@chrisdawson1776 the no-fly zone was set at 32k feet, MH-17 was flying well above the 33k feet mark, and was not the only one. I think there were around 150-160 flights flying in that zone throughout the day. It wasnt MH-17's fuckup, it was the russian seperatists' group.
@@chrisdawson1776 ' cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and the flight data recorder (FDR) stopped recording at 16:20:03 local time (13:20:03 UTC). The last FDR data indicates that the plane was at the position of 48.12715 N 38.52630538 E located west of the urban-type settlement Rozsypne (Розсипне), near Hrabove, heading east-southeast (ESE, 115°) at an altitude of 32,998 feet above sea level ' ^ 32,998 feet (Rozsypne and Hrabove are both in Donetsk region) 'The airspace above Donetsk was managed by Ukraine. The Ukrainian authorities imposed restrictions for flights under 32,000 feet (9,800 m), but did not consider closing the airspace to civil aviation completely. 37 airlines continued overflying eastern Ukraine and about 900 flights crossed the Donetsk region in the seven days before the Boeing 777 was shot down 'Russian air traffic controllers issued a notice effective 17 July at 00:00 with two conflicting altitude restrictions in the airspace in the adjacent area over Russia below 32,000 feet (9,800 m) and below 53,000 feet (16,000 m). Long-distance flights typically travel at altitudes of 33,000 to 44,000 feet, so the second restriction would effectively close that airspace to civilian overflights, but the second restriction was not noted by the automated systems of Malaysian Airlines and the route was not changed.' Russian authorities told the Dutch Safety Board the notice had been published "to create agreement with the adjoining Ukrainian airspace", but provided no clarification for the higher restriction ^ Russia provided unclear and sudden conflicting altitude restrictions without a generalized location ('adjacent area over russia' most likely meaning the entirety of the donbas/Crimea region) The American Federal Aviation Administration issued restrictions on flights over Crimea, to the south of MH17's route, and advised airlines flying over some other parts of Ukraine to "exercise extreme caution". This warning did not include the MH17 crash region.. Sources: Crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 Hrabove, Ukraine, 17 July 2014 - Dutch Safety Board. Hosenball, Mark; Scott, Alwyn (17 July 2014). Storey, David; Reinhold, Toni (eds.). "U.S. air carriers to avoid Russia-Ukraine border airspace" Herszenhorn, David M.; Tavernise, Sabrina (19 July 2014). "Ukraine Says It Can Prove Russia Supplied Arms System That Felled Jet" - The New York Times Crash of Flight MH17: Lufthansa lately flew 56 times over crisis region. Der Spiegel - 18 July 2014 Maps of the Crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17". The New York Times. 21 July 2014. Oleg, Petrushak (25 July 2021). "MH17 case: The Netherlands will not hold Ukraine accountable for decision not to close airspace over Donbas essentially: Ukraine cheaped out of closing the civilian airspace because it still collected overflight fees for commercial aircraft that fly through their territory despite knowing the possibility for danger, but at the same time set a clear restriction within their territory which is where MH-17 was present at the time of the crash which was respected by both sides until July 17th at 0:00 Russia on the other hand made a contradictory, unclear, and sudden change to its aircraft flight path restrictions with no clear justification which was evidently was the info fed to to donbas seperatist groups backed by russia which downed the plane. Ultimately, it was not MH-17s fault, it was the fault of bureaucratic process from both sides of the conflict however predominantly Russia's due to its unclear methodology at detailing what is fair game to shoot or what isn't within a fair timeframe and outlining the territory in which this law comes to effect.
I lost a friend and his whole family to this incident. He and his whole family was finally returning back to their home country after abt 2 or 3 years living abroad. Sadly never made it home. My thoughts go to all of the victims n families
@John Marston im sure alot of passenger planes might have flew above the warzone but i think mh17 is just unlucky to get shot by these rebels. R.I.P to the ones who died in the planes
@John Marston because they have permission to do so. Same goes with other passengers planes who were also passing in the same way. They flying 1000 feet above from the No flight zone so its literally not they fault.
The LDNR army was virtually destroyed during the early days of russian full scale invasion of ukraine during the siege of mariupol, what is left of them is then used by russia in meat wave assaults. These guys in vid and the one who did it was most likely all dead by now. I remember a donetsk resident hiding from forced conscription describes how they stack so much corpses of dnr dead during the early days of the 2022 war.
Im not Malasysian but I also won’t forget this if I would be a politician I would do a war to those scumbags and would see them die infront of me! They should pay for a such big Mass Murder of innocent civilians
Sad to see them going through the victim's luggage throwing items on the ground. This might be all the families ever have to keep. Personal items thrown away like garbage.
Only thing that makes server is they are looking for anything that might indicate the plane was carrying military personnel. Probably an act of desperation by the people on the ground to justify the murder.
blame Ukraine. They opened airspace over warzone intentionally, so they could blame Russia. And we know today what this regime is willing to do for their PR stunts. Slaughter of their own people in Bucha, slaughter in Krematorsk... everything to blame Russia. They just don't care about people, only money.
One time when i was on a flight from Paris to Singapore, we flew over Ukraine at that time I was scared of flying and I said to my aunt “why do we fly over Ukraine we can get shot down” (because of the war) a week later it happens to this flight
My intuition says this was an insurance claim job for them. One plane disappeared and the other shot down in the same year or two is suspicious...we will never know the truth, just the media statement
i think your statement is true because they said 3 crew in cockpit died instantly,another one maybe still alive when the crash happen..i cried to imagine that😭
@@minetrulythey’re all lying mate. The cockpit was the first one shot and completely tore it apart. From that height the cockpit would be disintegrated on impact just like the fuselage here
A fellow medical student of mine along with his parents and sister died in that plane more than an hour after take off. Imagine the sheer terror the people falling to their doom must have felt
Most would have lost consciousness almost immediately after the explosion and the violent decompression that followed which means most was at least saved the terror which followed, although this doesn't make it any less worse.
Their church ceremony was packed, four coffins. We waited outside under some cover as it was raining which somehow felt like the weather suited for something like that. The people that were there won't forget that. Lets just hope something like that won't happen again.
"is it orange?" "Black box, black box" If anyone reading happens to shoot down a plane or comes accross one the "black box" is always in fact orange, its meant to be found so black would be a bad choice.
Am I really the only one who sees the fact that they show NO REMORSE over killing 200 people, even seeing their dead bodies, belongings, etc. I mean, ok, it is normal to check the belongings, but seeing DEAD BODIES SLICED IN HALF and saying "who gave them the corridor" is just sickening.
Well I understand what they're saying though. It's extremely ridiculous to fly a plane over a conflict zone because it can easily be mistaken for a military plane and be shot down. This isn't the first time it happened and other airlines didn't fly over the zone because of the risk. They're somewhat right asking the question who the hell would fly a plane filled with civilians over a zone of conflict when many European airlines considered the danger was too much to fly there. It's the airline their fault as well as the ones that shot it down and adding to that governments that should have warned airlines more or even forbid them to fly over zones of conflict. The danger is just too great in favour of saving costs.
This is not the first time in happened... Both Russia and USA shot down passanger planes in history. It happens often that civilian plane gets mistaken for a millitary one... Especially in the warzone.
i’m literally getting angry seeing how these scumbags have treated this crash....it really hurts my heart especially because my best friends mother died onboard this crash and everytime he hears something about MH 17 he bursts out in tears
@@yhfhdcf That's not an excuse to shooting down a plane, just on a 'thought' and even tho it does not give them reason to be this disrespectful to the hundreds of people they just ignorantly killed.
Context ( there’s a context so I use it in the comments): MH17, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, was a passenger flight that was shot down on July 17, 2014, while flying over eastern Ukraine. The aircraft, a Boeing 777, was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur and tragically crashed in an area controlled by pro-Russian separatists during the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine. The Dutch Safety Board conducted an investigation and concluded that MH17 was shot down by a Buk surface-to-air missile system. The missile struck the aircraft, causing it to break apart mid-air, resulting in the loss of all 298 people on board. The investigation determined that the Buk missile launcher was brought into Ukraine from Russia and then returned to Russia after the downing of MH17. The exact circumstances and those responsible for launching the missile have been a subject of international investigations and legal proceedings. As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, there were ongoing efforts to hold those responsible accountable, but no definitive resolution had been reached.
This plane was shot down buy pro russian rebels. BUT. The ukrainian government is responsible to lock down the air corridor over dangerious terrain. A couple month this was an dangerous corridor, but the government locked it only to flights under 7900 Meters (29000 feet) height. 3 days before MH17 got shot, an ukrainian Antonov army plane got shot in 6500m (21300 feet) height. After that the ukrainian government did not shut down the whole corridor for passenger planes. They just took the limit for flights up to 9750 meter (32000 feet). They knew how dangerous this was and still they let hundreds of passenger planes fly above this corridor. As far as i know, passenger airplane companys have to pay money to the government to fly over those corridors, so they would have lost a lot of money if the shut down this corridor. Then flight MH17 got shot, when it ONLY flew 300 meters (984 feet) above the limit of 9750 meter (32000 feet) height. The ukrainian government send not a SINGLE warning to passenger plane companys how dangerous it was there. And then the plane got shot. It was probably mistaken for an army plane. Some of the rebels made serious mistakes, but still it was the ukrainian governments task to shut down the whole corridor. But they havent done it. And right now this whole things gets swept under the rug and ukraine says its russias fault while russia says its ukraines fault. Disgusting. Both cowards. and also important.. hundreds of passenger planes flew over this corridor before this plane was shot down... the ukrainian government was responsible to inform the airlines if a corridor is safe or not but they neglected it and didnt inform anyone or gave false information.
What about holding ukraine to account for not closing the airspace when they knew the rebels had russian missiles capable of shooting down an airliner by mistake?
Tell that to the Ukranian government which gave no warnings or requests to change course to MH-17 but did nothing as it flew straight into an active combat zone where Ukraninan military aircraft were operating and getting shot down. How were the separatists supposed to know that they were targeting a civilian airliner and not another Ukranian military aircraft performing bombing runs?
@@AddieHiltonThe plane was above the restricted war zone, as were any other several planes flying the same route that day. This specific aa unit seemed to have forgotten the order from the higher ups and targeted a civilian plane above the restricted war zone (35k altitude)
I'm Indonesian who used this exact plane twice when I studied in NL...probably the same route. I directly checked out my boarding pass as soon as hearing this heartbreaking news...and I was really shocked. May all the victims RIP... 🥺
I was at the airport in Amsterdam when this happened. My flight, Emirates, was supposed to depart right after MH17 but suddenly the boarding stopped and everyone had to get out of the plane. Everyone was confused and no one told us what was going on until we finally boarded the plane after four-five hours and the news broke out that MH17 had crashed and that there was a change of route for our flight. It was one of the most terrifying moments in my life and I can't imagine their last moments on the airplane.
@@Notmari13 a plane crashes when it is out of control or the pilot loses control. There’s a crash site but the plane didn’t simply crash. It was shot down, an act of war, which is a VERY important distinction.
Tell that to the Ukranian government which gave no warnings or requests to change course to MH-17 but did nothing as it flew straight into an active combat zone where Ukraninan military aircraft were operating and getting shot down. How were the separatists supposed to know that they were targeting a civilian airliner and not another Ukranian military aircraft performing bombing runs?
@@AddieHiltonThis narrative again? On that same day, dozens of civilian planes were given clearance to fly ABOVE the restricted zone. There's even another airline nearby this MH17. How come only this rebel unit downed a civilian plane? This is simply them getting confused for a moment, or not following the orders from the higher ups. It can be a miscommunication or simply a mistake.
@@AddieHiltonSeparatists who bear arms are illegal in the first place. If they have AA missiles then the country providing them has complicity in this warcrime.
It's terrible what happened but it's clear it wasn't intentional, and suss the plane was in that airspace it seems... Gonna go do some reading. There were incidents like this during the Cold War where the US would send South Korean passenger plans into Soviet airspace to spy, refuse to heed warnings or reply to communications, then cry foul when they were shot down. I wonder if something similar was going on here - in which case whichever government was involved would be the real culprit. Not claiming that btw, just giving other ways to lol at this than 'monsters'
@@mcfeddle oh as long as it was an accident, that's fine. To all the families mourning loved ones, it's okay because it was an accident. Sure it could've happened to anyone. We're all killing innocent plane passengers everyday by accident
They can't prosecute anything related to Russia. Malaysian gov't is not as strong as Kremlin. In fact, this is simply miscommunication between this specific aa unit and the higher ups. Several civilian planes are also flying that day ABOVE the restricted zone. Only MH17 was downed after entering the area where this specific aa unit was entrenched.
They did not steal the stuff. They were looking for documents and other ways to identify passengers. These people did neither sound nor behave like looters.
The statement "Who gave them the corridor" (the right to fly through this area) raises even more disturbing questions about this avoidable accident. Why was a commercial aircraft even allowed near a war zone where SAM's and military aircraft were being used? Was that question ever really answered?
So the Airline could save $ on fuel, maybe. Tried making deal with some corrupt Russian contacts to get them not to shoot it down if they took the shortest path, and then miscommunication between the Ruskis and their separatist buddies. Just one of so many possible reasons. ;(
@@Tmb1112 and theyre all blaming the russians. like, how the hell would they know it would be a malaysian passenger jet? enemy jets and transport planes fly overhead normally, which is why they literally have anti air posted. i blame this on the malaysian airlines for being so careless and flying over disputed territory where ukrainian IL72s get shot down
As a Malaysian and a frequent traveller, it breaks my heart to the core. We lost 2 civilian planes, full of innocent someone's family members. One remains mysterious, and this one is a pure crime.
Im forget about channel made full video about MH370, but im remember that MH370 are little bit obvious since the pilot have some problem with his wife (affair & divorce) but also it's become coincidence because the MH370 case to, some of investigator blame the pilot because he have so much problem and planing to do suicide & mass murder with the plane but some investigato said it was coincidence because MH370 flight on a bad weather and bad nature condition, also some of the MH370 body parts was found accros hindia ocean. For MH17 it was clear that the ATC fault because they give permission to civillian plane to flight accros warzone area with AA deffense. RIP to all both plane passanger, may god bless them and give them the best in the heaven. *sorry for bad english*
@@s.n.r394 Yes, they are several assumptions on MH370, but none is concrete. We cannot say which one is correct. Even the plane parts cannot tell the exact story. They are in heaven mysteriously. No problem, we can understand your English easily :)
@@s.n.r394 I really don't believe the pilot is to blame. Of course I don't know, but it seems to me that if he were, we'd been told so in a more obvious way from the very beginning. Regarding MH17, the ATC actually asked them to lower their altitude right above the war zone, which is totally insane, since other airlines were kept to fly higher or elsewhere, and in any case, planes go higher as they lose the weight of the kerosene they've been using. The flight was in its fourth hour, which is typically a time when these types of planes on long haul flights start going higher than their original cruising altitude after departure. In both cases, something is really fishy and I don't believe anybody on board is to blame. I have no idea why, but I tend to think both planes were targeted. Let us pray for them all anyway.
My brother an I flew out from the UK to New Zealand on July 17, 2014 with malaysian airlines, and stopped over at Kuala Lumpur Airport. Having had no idea what happened, i logged onto facebook in KL only to find my inbox filled with worried messages from friends and family. According to my dad, we flew over exactly the same flight path, 4 hours ahead of the MH17 flight.
I remember this vividly, no one spoke about it here in the UK. Yet I don't ever forget it... Especially the picture of a danish mother and son takens moments before the plane was shot down
This is pretty fckd up.... a Ukrainian military plane was shot down in exactly that area a month earlier... If they kept sending civilian passenger planes trough that airspace, the flight controller must have had a hell of a lot of faith in the Russian separatists ability to identify exactly what aircraft it is before firing on it.
It was on the news in the UK, but why would people be talking about it much to others. Its completely out of our control. There were so many awful things happening all the time.
@@Lotsielots why do people talk of ukraine and russia now, yet not back then. This has been brewing for 8 years. Many actions took of been taken to prevent this. The deaths of those on that plane, for nothing!
They blame the mh17 for fly there, but there were other planes flew there hours before mh17. Planes just dont change course without permission. They were allowed to take the course. It just so happen to be mh17 that got shot down.
They claim that they thought it was a Ukrainian military transport. Which was flying the civilian corridor. Where did they think a Ukrainian military transport was heading in Eastern Ukraine? Moscow? To bomb it with Borscht? They effed up and continue to lie about it and Russia's role in it.
Evil. The amount of times I flew into areas as crew that have since been involved in these kinds of incidents or are now crippled with war is scary. Would never go back to flying, the world is cruel.
1:10 , there’s something oddly disturbing about the fact that, at this point I’m Certain they knew what they took down, and they just went on and rummaged, through their intact belongings like that..
Like that reply above me, yes they check is it military or not. But i think it's more like.. They know it's passenger plane already because lot of seats and corpses. And that crawling pilot. BUT they still check is there any of military stuff in that plane? They can use that as their alibi maybe if they can find any military equipment.
@@summerrr1 why is that?.. Do Russian sams seek the cockpit of aircraft? or the heat signature from the exhaust? The Sam obviously would’ve hit the engines mid plane on that big jet, why all the folks lying about it? Guilty Eastern Europeans? 🤦♂️🇺🇸
This was one of the possible flights I could have boarded. After my long distance girlfriend at the time, now ex, had pleaded with me not to board any Malaysian Airlines flights after the disappearance of flight 370 a couple of months prior. I agreed with her and decided to get the KLM flight to Hong-Kong one week earlier, as my college agreed that I could leave a couple of days earlier. To think my eyes were locked on a digital ticket, that was sure to be my demise, makes me thankful for everything I have in life now.
frankly speaking mh17 was just unlucky on that day 160 plane from airplane company from all the world use the same route on that day. Even when this incident happen another Singapore plane is just 33km from there. Malaysia airline was one of the safest airplane companies until 2014 2 incident. Based on their pass record there was no any life aircraft accident for so many years until 2014 this 2 accident which not even their fault to begin with. Who the hell knows rebellion will have aa to atk civilian aircraft.
@@路人甲-j9vYeah, planes were given clearance above the restricted zone that time. It's obvious that this specific crew team in charge of an aa unit got confused for a moment or intentionally downed the plane. No justice given since Malaysia can't touch these rebels backed by Russia and also have little diplomatic channel with Ukraine.
The fact that this was carried out by a military group seems like, at the very least, a war crime to me. Sad that there was never much in the way of justice carried out.
The rebels didn't have the legal power to close the airspace, only a recognised national government has that power, the rebels aren't internationally recognised to this day, only reason they never got bombed back to the stone age was they have Russian support and they use civilian sheilds. That's the reason NATO has never sent peacekeepers into what is now a NATO members territory. That said, this was, and is, a recognised conflict zone and the airspace should have been closed, but at the time the Russians had said it was safe and they were ensuring it remained open, while af the same time supplying weapons capable of targetting aircraft in it. Majorly stupid decision that cost hundreds of innocent lives, and sadly there never will be any justice for those who died.
They're frantically searching the bags because they're in disbelief that they shot down a civilian plane. They're looking for some evidence in the bags - a wepaon, anything to reassure them that this was a military target. Of course, Malaysia Airlines, deserves some blame for flying a civilian plane through a warzone (it's commonsense). This tragedy has taught airlines not to make the same mistake, and now the flight space above ukraine is basically empty.
Western liars always lie, they conduct a classic emergency search operation at the crash site! As for the Malaysian Boeing flight MH 17 that got out of Amsterdam, the Netherlands, NATO, it was not shot down, but blown up by the special services of the West and Ukraine with an imitation that it was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile.
It was not a warzone, otherwise it would have been closed off. They're not the only airlines flying there. Emirates, Lufthansa & Singapore Airlines had more flights flying through that route than any non-Russian/Ukrainian airline. So it's not a question that they shouldn't have flown over it. RUSSIA SHOULDN'T HAVE INVADED THE UKRAINE.
@@tiadaid It is a lie, the Kiev post-Maidan regime unleashed a civil war in the Donbass in April 2014, attracted Su-27, Mig-29, Su-25,,,, and SAMs, including those Buks Buk/BukM1 missiles 9M38/9M38M1. Moreover, in June 2014, the Radar TRLK-8 Artemovsk was destroyed near the settlement of Zaitsevo, which turned this part of the air space into a black hole (this was done by the 3rd special forces regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine). But Russia did not invade Donbass in 2014, but only on February 24, 2022, Russia launched a Special Military Operation in response to the aggression of the Kiev regime and the first thing they did was close the airspace. Well, the Malaysian Boeing of flight MH 17, and most likely two Malaysian Boeing, considering flight MH 370, were destroyed, (blown up) by the special services of the West (NATO + the British Commonwealth) and their Kiev puppets.
The entirety of the situation is disgusting. But realistically the soldiers were carrying out a pretty thorough check to verify before reporting the final answer.
@Carlos As another guy pointed out they were flying from Western Ukraine above the eastern rebel part towards Russia. Are they bringing supplies to the enemy? I dont think so. Thats not logical at all.
I am originally from Malaysia, eight years ago there were two tragedies within four months, first the disappearance of MH 370 and the shot down of MH 17. This is heartbreaking to see that.
They conducted emergency rescue operation at the crash site of the blown up (three internal explosions, the main one and two in the cockpit to simulate external impact +executed in the Netherlands, falsification and concealment of the wreckage of the aircraft, data including from the flight recorders, forgery of parts of the disassembled Ukrainian missile tуpe 9M38( and not type 9M38M1), forgery of striking elements) by the West and their colony Ukraine flight MH 17. Malaysian Boeing 777-200ER number 9M-MRD, which departed from Amsterdam, Netherlands (a NATO member country) and was deliberately blown up in Ukraine to create the illusion that it was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile. To blame the Donbass Militia and Russia. And on the basis of this to force the EU to introduce sectoral restrictions against the Russian economy. To which Russia gave the EU its answer in the form of restrictions on products from the EU. The plan of Paul Krugman, Obama's economic advisor, has been implemented.
This plane was shot down buy pro russian rebels. BUT. The ukrainian government is responsible to lock down the air corridor over dangerious terrain. A couple month this was an dangerous corridor, but the government locked it only to flights under 7900 Meters (29000 feet) height. 3 days before MH17 got shot, an ukrainian Antonov army plane got shot in 6500m (21300 feet) height. After that the ukrainian government did not shut down the whole corridor for passenger planes. They just took the limit for flights up to 9750 meter (32000 feet). They knew how dangerous this was and still they let hundreds of passenger planes fly above this corridor. As far as i know, passenger airplane companys have to pay money to the government to fly over those corridors, so they would have lost a lot of money if the shut down this corridor. Then flight MH17 got shot, when it ONLY flew 300 meters (984 feet) above the limit of 9750 meter (32000 feet) height. The ukrainian government send not a SINGLE warning to passenger plane companys how dangerous it was there. And then the plane got shot. It was probably mistaken for an army plane. Some of the rebels made serious mistakes, but still it was the ukrainian governments task to shut down the whole corridor. But they havent done it. And right now this whole things gets swept under the rug and ukraine says its russias fault while russia says its ukraines fault. Disgusting. Both cowards. - Nobody held accountable to this day. But their souls 100% get what they deserve.
@@AlenB29Even if it was a cargo plane we would still lose the lives of the pilots Whatever the case might be hunting down planes is not what they should be doing
@@harambe7221 Its war my guy, people die. Blame the air traffic control for sending this airline over an obvious war zone, ofcourse I'm not trying to excuse the many deaths, but this was easily preventable if people were just smarter.
For context, the ones who shot down MH17 was not the Ukrainian government but Russian-backed rebels fighting in the Donbas. The surface-to-air missile launcher used to shoot down MH17 was supplied by Russia.
I highly, highly doubt the missile system was operated by "rebels". These systems are complex and require training, and Russian certainly didn't just drive the system into eastern Ukraine and give the "rebels" they keys. Russia has been hiding behind the "rebels did it" lie since this happened.
Actually Russia stopped using this specific model of missile years ago, only Ukraine still uses them. Both the Ukrainian and Russian teams investigating how the plane was shot down came to the same conclusion that it was a missile that only Ukraine uses.
The crazy thing is nearly a decade later Russia still flagrantly lies and says Ukraine did this, despite their own guys literally recording the aftermath.
Russia didn't lie. This rebels were Ukrainians at that time, meaning Ukraine did this. Not just in direct sense, but also by not closing the airspace in warzone.
The rebels fighting against Assad? Assad . . . . the guy who ordered entire villages to be gassed. Yeah, maybe fix the whole country instead of killing the LESSER of two evils.
People must stop excusing the Russian people from things like this the blood is in all their hands. They’re complicit by not being able to moderate their government. Glory to 🇺🇦
@@afwannurhafiy6196 Russia was stay in the Donetsk. And they shot down the malaysian airline with their missile. Russian army was stay on ukraine land. So russian can blame the ukrainian. So everyone will knew that was ukrainian take down the malaysian airline. Imagine if im pretending to be russian that secretly malaysian. And destroy the China plane. Can china blame the russia then?
@@afwannurhafiy6196 If ukrainian destroy malaysia airline. The ukrainian are Pro-russia then. Ukrainian would never destroying our plane. If im wrong. Correct me
I mean it was a very active warzone. They weren't looking through to post a click bait article, they were not looking through tp steal... it is war and russians are very paranoid. Like back when Korean Airlines flight 007 was shot down by russian fighter jets in the 80s they explained away everything that said that flight 007 was civilian. They dug through MH17 because they were desperate to find that one bit of evidence that would give plausible deniability but... none there.
And yet i barely see anyone blaming airlines. They were full aware of fighting going on, yet still deciced to save up some money on fuel, and only changed routes after plane got shot down
@@NoName-kb9kn i hate their peoples,,,greed of power,,i Don't have any problems with Christian,,, especially we as Malaysians live together peacefully with a multi religous back ground
I remember my mother being really sad that she lost a medical student in this crash, they were studying medicine at UMF in Cluj, Romania and going home to visit their family. We have a responsibility to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression we promised to do so in exchange for the nuclear disarming of Ukraine. Now we see why countries are desperate to gain these weapons, there is no safety without them as the world is unwilling to defend freedom.
@@rachelg785 thats a flat out lie. Japan and South Korea want nukes to offset China. Pakistan wanted nukes because India got them. India wanted nukes because China got them. China wanted nukes because both the USSR and the US threatened them with nukes. The only nations that want nukes because of the US currently is North Korea and Iran. Ukraine wants its nukes back because of Russia not the US.
@@JoeWayne84 Ukranian rebels backed by NATO? LMAO. Nice gaslighting kremlin bot. No amount of your propaganda will erase the truth that it the plane was shot down by a Russian surface-to-air missile. Putin should be tried for war crimes and hanged.
@@JoeWayne84 Yes, there is evidence the Russians presented that was not 'accepted' by the western driven 'investigation' that showed the BUK missiles and launcher responsible (identified via serial numbers) were last in the hands of the Ukrainians as Russia divested themselves of these old weapons decades ago... so yes, that is most likely the case.
Tears role down my eyes watching this, dreams, futures, hopes, aspirations, expectations, destinies, ambitions all unfortunately cut short due to politics and misinformation on the side of the rebels. To my understanding, they had no idea it was a passager plane, they shot it down thinking it's a military plane or probably a plane belonging to one of their enemies.
@@derp5958 that’s not what they were doing. They realized after their stupid decision that they had shot down a passenger plane and looked in their things to confirm it.
@@laurebourgeois7256 not Ukrainians , ‘Ukrainian rebels’ who are basically all Russians nothing Ukrainian about them just cross the border to try and claim the land as there own
So sad to think that these passengers were going on living their normal lives, maybe going abroad for work or for vacation, maybe to meet their loved ones and in a moment they all died. RIP to those who lost their lives.
The west downplayed heavily the situation going on there in the same way like in Georgia in 2008, to the point they didn't really find it necessary to make this area a no fly zone for planes. If there would be a very strong and impactful reaction for events in Georgia in 2008, sanctions and so on, then nothing would happen in Ukraine in 2014, this terrible accident wouldn't happen and current war wouldn't happen either. 2008 was seriously a Pandora's box being opened... Very sad because untill 2007 we were really doing great, if not recession and lack of heavy intervention in Georgia, we would be in a completely different place nowadays, most likely way better.
Netherlands has drained its military resources - it has a rather small military - and sent it to Ukraine. It's the only revenge or justice they can get.
In 2017, media in the Netherlands described how fake news reports of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash were propagated with the support of Omtzigt who introduced a Russian man as an "eyewitness" of the crash on a public expert debate in May 2017. The man, who was an asylum-seeker from Ukraine, never witnessed the crash, and his speech, texted to him by Omtzigt prior to the interview, repeated one of the Russia-promoted versions of Mig jets downing the Boeing. Shortly thereafter, journalists determined that R. had not been at home on the night of the crash and he had already been interviewed by officials who had discounted him as a witness.[19][20][21] He acknowledged via Twitter that he had acted carelessly and a few days later resigned from the spokesperson for the MH17 file.
This plane was shot down buy pro russian rebels. BUT. The ukrainian government is responsible to lock down the air corridor over dangerious terrain. A couple month this was an dangerous corridor, but the government locked it only to flights under 7900 Meters (29000 feet) height. 3 days before MH17 got shot, an ukrainian Antonov army plane got shot in 6500m (21300 feet) height. After that the ukrainian government did not shut down the whole corridor for passenger planes. They just took the limit for flights up to 9750 meter (32000 feet). They knew how dangerous this was and still they let hundreds of passenger planes fly above this corridor. As far as i know, passenger airplane companys have to pay money to the government to fly over those corridors, so they would have lost a lot of money if the shut down this corridor. Then flight MH17 got shot, when it ONLY flew 300 meters (984 feet) above the limit of 9750 meter (32000 feet) height. The ukrainian government send not a SINGLE warning to passenger plane companys how dangerous it was there. And then the plane got shot. It was probably mistaken for an army plane. Some of the rebels made serious mistakes, but still it was the ukrainian governments task to shut down the whole corridor. But they havent done it. And right now this whole things gets swept under the rug and ukraine says its russias fault while russia says its ukraines fault. Disgusting. Both cowards. and also important.. hundreds of passenger planes flew over this corridor before this plane was shot down... the ukrainian government was responsible to inform the airlines if a corridor is safe or not but they neglected it and didnt inform anyone or gave false information.
There were a lot of Dutch passengers on that plane, one my classmate's friend was on that plane with his family. It took a long time to get the bodies back (what was left of them) and still no one has been held responsible. Someone fired that rocket, someone must be punished.
@@sudonim7552 then why are they called murderers? Who did they murder? There is one answer for that, INNOCENTS. That's why the comment doesn't make any sense.
@@luckymstr5614 how are they all equally guilty? The only ones guilty is the one pressing the button and the one giving the order. And the ones deciding that flying civil air traffic trough an active war zone where both parties have air defense systems are the most guilty
@@KingAGBozz Not equally guilty. But still guilty in some sense, for siding and working with the one who pressed the button and the one who gave the order
@@elfryeorin it's a warzone, the enemy flies by and bombs your people. It's hard to distinguish planes from that height. Also nobody expects civil airplanes over a war zone where thousands die and both sides have air defense as I mentioned. Your countries army did horrible things as well, are all your soldiers guilty? I tend to think it was the separatists but that's not a hard fact either. Ukraine could've shot it down as well
just because russia made a conflict and made the donbass airskies dangerous doesnt mean that malaysia airlines could just fly right through it without any consideration for its passengers safety. if anything Malaysia airlines should be punished for it's dozens of crashes.
@@curly5330 my point is that at the time, it was a common airway used by airlines that hadn't been closed because the ukrainian government had underestimated the russian separatists. it's in no way MH's fault.
The geopolitics was being played by the biggest players at that time that we Malaysians have literally no leverage or chance to have a say in all this and got swept under the carpet. Both sides told their stories and blamed each other, in the end there was no justice ever brought.
Top bad Malaysia is the bottom tier of the underdogs among world nations. Where scraps and bones are thrown to the politicians to keep them happy. Malaysia is like a dog with no balls and teeth compared to Russia and US
Russia delivering only food to donbass. It only this junta in kiev to blame. As proven in the last 2 years it's a terrorist regime willing to kill all Ukrainians for PR stunts and money.
Such a tragedy to happen to 2 Malaysian airlines aircraft in 1 year. I’ve only been to Malaysia twice, but I love the country and it’s people. Fun, friendly, hard working and kind, I cried after this happened. RIP.
@@matti550 shot down by a Russian BUK, in possession of rebel forces. They made tweets about it at the time, but deleted them by the time they shot down this plane. I still remember reading all about it, when it occurred
What? No, it was occupied by pro Russian separatists that wanted to be independent from Ukraine and praise daddy Putin like a Belarus 2.0.@@JustADiamondBlock
The fact that this was months after the MH370 incident and being a Malaysian who has always enjoyed flying with Malaysian Airlines just saddens me. Both events will go down as two of the most troubling events in Malaysian Aviation history.
it is war crime and it's Ukraine to blame for it. Intentionally funneling civilian planes over war zone and the west did nothing about it. Doneck was area with 40% of Ukrainian GDP and a lot of military equipment. Regardless today we know what ukraine is willing to do for their PR stunts. They see ukrainians expandable.
That year, Malaysia has lost 2 airplanes and all of the passengers...MH17 was shot by random rebels while MH370 is still missing till this day...I gave my condolences to all of the passengers
We actually lost 3 planes that same year, except maybe it doesn't count since the plane was registered under airasia indonesia. But still, airasia is malaysian based for the most part
It was shot down by russian invaders. It's disrespectful to the victims to not name the actual criminals who are responsible for this terroristic act and the country that sponsored it - russia.
As a Malaysian, this was just unbearable... 08 March 2014 MH370 went missing... 17 July 2014 MH17 got shot down... Malaysia Airlines reputation had gone from being one of the safest airlines in the world, to the worst... Even though MH17 was just a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time... MH370's latest finding was suggesting that someone on the plane had entered into a (failed) negotiation with someone in the Malaysian government, when it flew for abt 22 mins in a holding pattern above the sea area outside the tip of Sumatera island...
Tell that to the Ukranian government which gave no warnings or requests to change course to MH-17 but did nothing as it flew straight into an active combat zone where Ukrainian military aircraft were operating and getting shot down. How were the separatists supposed to know that they were targeting a civilian airliner and not another Ukranian military aircraft performing bombing runs?
Mo Maslin was on this plane. He went to my school. There’s a playground down near Scarborough, Perth that’s a memorial to him - it has his sketches imprinted all over it. RIP Mo.
Semoga Arwah ditempatkan di kalangan orang yang Beriman,Al-Fatihah, Telah ditetapkan oleh Tuhan, Dimana ajal maut seseorang, Tidak akan cepat sesaat atau terlambat walaupun sesaat, Semoga Cik dan Keluarga Kuat menempuhi Ujian dan Dugaan ini, Semoga Mereka yang Bersalah juga Dikenakan balasan yg setimpal satu hari nanti🤲🤲🤲🥺
Your dad is in a better place now. I almost bought the ticket of that plane. If my friend didn't make me to stay a bit longer before the summer break, I would be certainly on that plane. My work colleague lost his long time best friend, 30+ years of friendship. He made a surprise visit to my work colleague in Amsterdam. It's their last reunion. Our school lost one of their student too. They are in the better place now. Now, we can only pray for them.
Considering the US Navy did the exact same thing to an Iranian airliner in the 80s and everyone looked the other way, I'd say in big picture, one airliner full of people doesn't matter much. At least not to those in power.
@@DrForrester87 when CIA trained terrorist bombed cuban flight 455 with children's hockey team aboard, no one gave a shlt either. Bush even pardoned the criminal who did it
The voice in the "background" (radio?) was saying "black box". I think they were looking for the plane's black box aka the recording of its flight patterns, speed, etc...
I couldn’t believe how swept under the rug this was to this day still, no outcome, other than all those innocent lives taken for absolutely nothing.
Yea, and if they were American, America would use it as a reason to invade and occupy the area
@@pog4129 yeah because we’re not poor and we have no remorse for taking lives of any threat we see
Guess the news were not talkimg about it ;)
@@S.C1970 The US is rich for some things but poor for others. Can spend billions on the military but cannot fund proper healthcare.
@@pog4129 I never mentioned America.
Really heartbreaking just seeing someone's belongings, packed neatly by someone no doubt giddy with excitement at going travelling, emptied with indifference into the dirt.
Very well said
@𝙺𝚊𝚛𝚖𝚊 ♥ wtf
@𝙺𝚊𝚛𝚖𝚊 ♥ this is just so idiotic that I don't know what to say.
The details so many don't notice. That part hurt my heart as well.. thinking about what they had planned and what occurred..
💔
"Who gave them permission to fly here?!"
Said the rebels.
Well isn't that ironic.
My prayer to those on board the plane that day.
Right. But it takes two to Tango, the airlines management should have known better and avoided that airspace knowing that it was a conflict zone, many airlines did this unfortunately Malaysia airlines did not.
The plane shouldn't have flew over conflicted areas where such threat exist.
It's a legit question. It was a war zone for months. Passenger planes can't be allowed anywhere near the area with active AA defence. It was the responsibility of Ukrainian flight control and Malasyan company not to let them fly there.
@@Mandrak789
…..and it still flew there.
Most airlines didn’t do anything about that area until after the incident. Delta 7 and 8 were long flights back in the day. After that incident they were a bit longer.
If it was an American plane shot down their would be bombs dropping the next week.
I’m a Malaysian, and it is still so painful to see this even now, 9
years after the incident. I am crying.
It's really sad. Also sad to know that Russians are still doing this to this day
@@bigdoggo5827They flew into a no fly zone. Keep crying
@@chrisdawson1776 the no-fly zone was set at 32k feet, MH-17 was flying well above the 33k feet mark, and was not the only one. I think there were around 150-160 flights flying in that zone throughout the day.
It wasnt MH-17's fuckup, it was the russian seperatists' group.
@@mellow2325 Source?
@@chrisdawson1776
' cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and the flight data recorder (FDR) stopped recording at 16:20:03 local time (13:20:03 UTC). The last FDR data indicates that the plane was at the position of 48.12715 N 38.52630538 E located west of the urban-type settlement Rozsypne (Розсипне), near Hrabove, heading east-southeast (ESE, 115°) at an altitude of 32,998 feet above sea level '
^ 32,998 feet (Rozsypne and Hrabove are both in Donetsk region)
'The airspace above Donetsk was managed by Ukraine. The Ukrainian authorities imposed restrictions for flights under 32,000 feet (9,800 m), but did not consider closing the airspace to civil aviation completely.
37 airlines continued overflying eastern Ukraine and about 900 flights crossed the Donetsk region in the seven days before the Boeing 777 was shot down
'Russian air traffic controllers issued a notice effective 17 July at 00:00 with two conflicting altitude restrictions in the airspace in the adjacent area over Russia below 32,000 feet (9,800 m) and below 53,000 feet (16,000 m). Long-distance flights typically travel at altitudes of 33,000 to 44,000 feet, so the second restriction would effectively close that airspace to civilian overflights, but the second restriction was not noted by the automated systems of Malaysian Airlines and the route was not changed.'
Russian authorities told the Dutch Safety Board the notice had been published "to create agreement with the adjoining Ukrainian airspace", but provided no clarification for the higher restriction
^ Russia provided unclear and sudden conflicting altitude restrictions without a generalized location ('adjacent area over russia' most likely meaning the entirety of the donbas/Crimea region)
The American Federal Aviation Administration issued restrictions on flights over Crimea, to the south of MH17's route, and advised airlines flying over some other parts of Ukraine to "exercise extreme caution". This warning did not include the MH17 crash region..
Sources:
Crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 Hrabove, Ukraine, 17 July 2014 - Dutch Safety Board.
Hosenball, Mark; Scott, Alwyn (17 July 2014). Storey, David; Reinhold, Toni (eds.). "U.S. air carriers to avoid Russia-Ukraine border airspace"
Herszenhorn, David M.; Tavernise, Sabrina (19 July 2014). "Ukraine Says It Can Prove Russia Supplied Arms System That Felled Jet" - The New York Times
Crash of Flight MH17: Lufthansa lately flew 56 times over crisis region. Der Spiegel - 18 July 2014
Maps of the Crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17". The New York Times. 21 July 2014.
Oleg, Petrushak (25 July 2021). "MH17 case: The Netherlands will not hold Ukraine accountable for decision not to close airspace over Donbas
essentially:
Ukraine cheaped out of closing the civilian airspace because it still collected overflight fees for commercial aircraft that fly through their territory despite knowing the possibility for danger, but at the same time set a clear restriction within their territory which is where MH-17 was present at the time of the crash which was respected by both sides until July 17th at 0:00
Russia on the other hand made a contradictory, unclear, and sudden change to its aircraft flight path restrictions with no clear justification which was evidently was the info fed to to donbas seperatist groups backed by russia which downed the plane.
Ultimately, it was not MH-17s fault, it was the fault of bureaucratic process from both sides of the conflict however predominantly Russia's due to its unclear methodology at detailing what is fair game to shoot or what isn't within a fair timeframe and outlining the territory in which this law comes to effect.
I lost a friend and his whole family to this incident. He and his whole family was finally returning back to their home country after abt 2 or 3 years living abroad. Sadly never made it home. My thoughts go to all of the victims n families
Prayers.
These suckers will reincarnate as swines to be eaten with hot ketchup by those whom they killed.
@@apotk95 Probably not.
Rest in peace.
*F*
Sorry to hear.
My counselor was in this plane. Seeing the way these people treated this crash, taking phones and everything is just sickening
Where are they taking fones ? They are finding information what is that .
When soldiers in our side died in WW2 their corpses re tested far worse than this by their own side
typical russians
Just give some respect
@@dfcvda два сорта одного советского говна
This proves,
"Don't be afraid of ghost,Be afraid of humans".
But inside the human there is a satan or devil
Rip for thoose who died by plane crash/shooted down
@John Marston im sure alot of passenger planes might have flew above the warzone but i think mh17 is just unlucky to get shot by these rebels. R.I.P to the ones who died in the planes
@@halo6142 true
BRRRRT
@John Marston because they have permission to do so. Same goes with other passengers planes who were also passing in the same way. They flying 1000 feet above from the No flight zone so its literally not they fault.
Horrendously heartbreaking and to think nobody’s been made accountable makes it a thousand times worse.
3 people have been made accountable. The person that pressed the trigger was Igor Girkin, unfortunately Russia won’t give him up and and never will.
Yeah, western NATO terrorists cry now for MH17 but when they bombed and killed innocent people they didn't care
The LDNR army was virtually destroyed during the early days of russian full scale invasion of ukraine during the siege of mariupol, what is left of them is then used by russia in meat wave assaults. These guys in vid and the one who did it was most likely all dead by now. I remember a donetsk resident hiding from forced conscription describes how they stack so much corpses of dnr dead during the early days of the 2022 war.
Ukraine forces are responsible. That's why there will never be a trial.
@@alex-E7WHU Ukraine forces responsible for a BUK system coming from russia? how so?
THIS IS NOT AN ACCIDENT, THIS IS A MASS MURDER!!!!
WE MALAYSIAN WILL NEVER FORGIVE & WILL NEVER FORGET!
Im not Malasysian but I also won’t forget this if I would be a politician I would do a war to those scumbags and would see them die infront of me! They should pay for a such big Mass Murder of innocent civilians
Exactly!! What's being done about this?? Who is being held accountable for this atrocity!??
193 were also Dutch , so messed up yet nobody was held responsible
@@donnablosser7982 how.. what they do?it was insane to give permission and shot the plane,
Dont ever forget.
Sad to see them going through the victim's luggage throwing items on the ground. This might be all the families ever have to keep. Personal items thrown away like garbage.
Personal possessions thrown away BY garbage.
Quite sure they are looking for personal identification.
Only thing that makes server is they are looking for anything that might indicate the plane was carrying military personnel. Probably an act of desperation by the people on the ground to justify the murder.
@@HIHIHJIHIHIH pretty sure they were trying to look for the phone that was ringing
Rebel groups get their stuff this way, most are stolen
it's been 7 years.
Never forget.
Never forgive.
The world still waits for how MH370 actually crashed.
@@MavYT69 it probably crashed in the pacific ocean.
The true mistery is how the full plane and the body of the victims were never found.
@@hoppipgames9423 tbh no one even knows where it crashed
I dont care because that plane fly at warzone where shot down plane are legal, ofcurse i will do same like they do if some stupid plane fly at warzone
Kill em all
Sickening. One of my sisters teachers was on this plane, a nun. Rest in peace Sister Philomene 🕊️
blame Ukraine. They opened airspace over warzone intentionally, so they could blame Russia. And we know today what this regime is willing to do for their PR stunts. Slaughter of their own people in Bucha, slaughter in Krematorsk... everything to blame Russia. They just don't care about people, only money.
😢
Nuns covers their head just like Mary. Just like Muslim women
One time when i was on a flight from Paris to Singapore, we flew over Ukraine at that time I was scared of flying and I said to my aunt “why do we fly over Ukraine we can get shot down” (because of the war) a week later it happens to this flight
lies
GSD believe me or don’t believe me u do u
Oof
I believe Oscar Dyrssen why would he or she lie for just TH-cam
@@sda9995 for internet points they think are valuable
Disgusting how few repercussions there are when things like this happen, and it happens far more often than we think
Girkin must feel great having this protection from Putin
yeah defiantly.. Malaysian Airlines should be put out of business for letting jets fly over known war zones where they know they are using SAMS.. SMFH
@grand nagus not to be that guy but giving anyone nuclear weapons and/or homing missiles is just a bad idea. Not just the russians
Well the rebels who did this are in Ukraine and guess what Russia is doing to Ukraine rn………
@grand nagus Like Americans owning guns.
The most tragic year for us Malaysian. We went through MH370, after few months, MH-17. RIP to all who passed away for this two flight.
Yeah and I was still a teenager when this happened. It was very sad. 2 planes of ours in tragic
Well, MH370 was your fault anyway. The government investigation lacked a substantial amount of evidence, thus elongating the search time.
@@justarandomsovietofficerwi2023 we did not blame anyone else for it lmao
My intuition says this was an insurance claim job for them. One plane disappeared and the other shot down in the same year or two is suspicious...we will never know the truth, just the media statement
Yeah I needless to say I will definitely never be flying on a Malaysian airliner
the fact they said that the pilot was seen crawling is truly heart breaking
Would have been impossible, the missile hit the cockpit.
i think your statement is true because they said 3 crew in cockpit died instantly,another one maybe still alive when the crash happen..i cried to imagine that😭
@@bmc9504only 3 died instantly,possible if one is still alive during the crash...its hurt to imagine that..
Does anyone know if they found that person and helped them?
@@minetrulythey’re all lying mate. The cockpit was the first one shot and completely tore it apart. From that height the cockpit would be disintegrated on impact just like the fuselage here
Seeing the bag with clean and nicely folded clothes inside it broke my heart.
folded clothes are a rare find these days... ;>.>
And hearing the phone ring.
The bag with diapers did it for me. I'm a mom.
A fellow medical student of mine along with his parents and sister died in that plane more than an hour after take off. Imagine the sheer terror the people falling to their doom must have felt
My condolences
Damn...I'm so sorry! Med school is tough enough as it is...😔
Most would have lost consciousness almost immediately after the explosion and the violent decompression that followed which means most was at least saved the terror which followed, although this doesn't make it any less worse.
Their church ceremony was packed, four coffins.
We waited outside under some cover as it was raining which somehow felt like the weather suited for something like that. The people that were there won't forget that.
Lets just hope something like that won't happen again.
I can't even imagine. Its horrific. Its a God damn bloody nightmare. Bodies were turned inside out for heavens sake. They died suddenly I hope.
"is it orange?"
"Black box, black box"
If anyone reading happens to shoot down a plane or comes accross one the "black box" is always in fact orange, its meant to be found so black would be a bad choice.
It would be racist!
@@YMCAmember I don't get it?
@@vladimirpootis3200 I don't know if he is joking or not, but since black boxes are not coloured black, he's saying they're racist.
@@gamistry2947 Yeah. I don't really know is it a joke or did he got offended by the term "black box" either.
@@vladimirpootis3200 idk man. It's prolly sarcasm and we're just being dumb
Am I really the only one who sees the fact that they show NO REMORSE over killing 200 people, even seeing their dead bodies, belongings, etc. I mean, ok, it is normal to check the belongings, but seeing DEAD BODIES SLICED IN HALF and saying "who gave them the corridor" is just sickening.
Well I understand what they're saying though. It's extremely ridiculous to fly a plane over a conflict zone because it can easily be mistaken for a military plane and be shot down. This isn't the first time it happened and other airlines didn't fly over the zone because of the risk. They're somewhat right asking the question who the hell would fly a plane filled with civilians over a zone of conflict when many European airlines considered the danger was too much to fly there. It's the airline their fault as well as the ones that shot it down and adding to that governments that should have warned airlines more or even forbid them to fly over zones of conflict. The danger is just too great in favour of saving costs.
@@erwinj9697There were other airlines that day which went over the same route
Typical Russian submarines, waste of oxygen.
they were soldiers from the russian, donetsk, or ukrainian sides they probably didnt know about the incident until it was heard
And what's your point
This was MASS MURDER EVEN IF IM NOT MALAYSIAN WE ARE HUMANS
This is not the first time in happened... Both Russia and USA shot down passanger planes in history. It happens often that civilian plane gets mistaken for a millitary one... Especially in the warzone.
Deal with it. People died everyday
@@martinkubis4470 yeah we people are basically killing each other
@@LeftOverMacNCheese what can we do possibly nothing
@@ShifatAhmed07 ye, noTHing
i’m literally getting angry seeing how these scumbags have treated this crash....it really hurts my heart especially because my best friends mother died onboard this crash and everytime he hears something about MH 17 he bursts out in tears
I'm very sorry for your friend. No one should experience something like this.
@@yhfhdcf That's not an excuse to shooting down a plane, just on a 'thought' and even tho it does not give them reason to be this disrespectful to the hundreds of people they just ignorantly killed.
@@Chookity-Pok Well how about don’t fly above a warzone
@@yhfhdcf no, they thought it was an an12
@@baathi7358 And fly the plane directly into bad weather risking engine failure or crashing?
There is special place in hell for those involved in this mass murder
Or maybe there's no hell at all. The world is unfair.
@@kofi3124 Yep. One can only hope.
They will only think that they’ve done no wrong and they were protecting their territory
@winxner life is a joke
They will die a long painful death for sure. God's curse will be with them.
Context ( there’s a context so I use it in the comments): MH17, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, was a passenger flight that was shot down on July 17, 2014, while flying over eastern Ukraine. The aircraft, a Boeing 777, was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur and tragically crashed in an area controlled by pro-Russian separatists during the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine.
The Dutch Safety Board conducted an investigation and concluded that MH17 was shot down by a Buk surface-to-air missile system. The missile struck the aircraft, causing it to break apart mid-air, resulting in the loss of all 298 people on board.
The investigation determined that the Buk missile launcher was brought into Ukraine from Russia and then returned to Russia after the downing of MH17. The exact circumstances and those responsible for launching the missile have been a subject of international investigations and legal proceedings. As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, there were ongoing efforts to hold those responsible accountable, but no definitive resolution had been reached.
This plane was shot down buy pro russian rebels. BUT. The ukrainian government is responsible to lock down the air corridor over dangerious terrain. A couple month this was an dangerous corridor, but the government locked it only to flights under 7900 Meters (29000 feet) height. 3 days before MH17 got shot, an ukrainian Antonov army plane got shot in 6500m (21300 feet) height. After that the ukrainian government did not shut down the whole corridor for passenger planes. They just took the limit for flights up to 9750 meter (32000 feet). They knew how dangerous this was and still they let hundreds of passenger planes fly above this corridor. As far as i know, passenger airplane companys have to pay money to the government to fly over those corridors, so they would have lost a lot of money if the shut down this corridor. Then flight MH17 got shot, when it ONLY flew 300 meters (984 feet) above the limit of 9750 meter (32000 feet) height. The ukrainian government send not a SINGLE warning to passenger plane companys how dangerous it was there. And then the plane got shot. It was probably mistaken for an army plane. Some of the rebels made serious mistakes, but still it was the ukrainian governments task to shut down the whole corridor. But they havent done it. And right now this whole things gets swept under the rug and ukraine says its russias fault while russia says its ukraines fault. Disgusting. Both cowards.
and also important.. hundreds of passenger planes flew over this corridor before this plane was shot down... the ukrainian government was responsible to inform the airlines if a corridor is safe or not but they neglected it and didnt inform anyone or gave false information.
What about holding ukraine to account for not closing the airspace when they knew the rebels had russian missiles capable of shooting down an airliner by mistake?
Tell that to the Ukranian government which gave no warnings or requests to change course to MH-17 but did nothing as it flew straight into an active combat zone where Ukraninan military aircraft were operating and getting shot down. How were the separatists supposed to know that they were targeting a civilian airliner and not another Ukranian military aircraft performing bombing runs?
@@AddieHiltonthat area was rebel controlled and Ukraine has no control over it. So that can't do that
@@AddieHiltonThe plane was above the restricted war zone, as were any other several planes flying the same route that day. This specific aa unit seemed to have forgotten the order from the higher ups and targeted a civilian plane above the restricted war zone (35k altitude)
My sister died In this crash. I will never see her again. I love her so much and I miss her. She was my best friend
cap
Imagine assuming
sorry for that
I’m so sorry for your loss.
My teacher in primary died her name was Helen she was gonna go on vacation with her boyfriend
I'm Indonesian who used this exact plane twice when I studied in NL...probably the same route. I directly checked out my boarding pass as soon as hearing this heartbreaking news...and I was really shocked. May all the victims RIP... 🥺
I thought no plane has gone in this same route since it's apparently a war zone area?
@@evelynneclipse2069 he probably meant before 2014
Woa
Where is NL?
@@shamsulchong1785 NL is how we sometimes write ‘the Netherlands’. Its on the left of Germany! Also sometimes called Holland.
I was at the airport in Amsterdam when this happened. My flight, Emirates, was supposed to depart right after MH17 but suddenly the boarding stopped and everyone had to get out of the plane. Everyone was confused and no one told us what was going on until we finally boarded the plane after four-five hours and the news broke out that MH17 had crashed and that there was a change of route for our flight. It was one of the most terrifying moments in my life and I can't imagine their last moments on the airplane.
it didnt crashed the plane was shot down, this was during the 2014 Russo Ukraine war up until now today
It crashed because it was shot down
@@Notmari13 a plane crashes when it is out of control or the pilot loses control. There’s a crash site but the plane didn’t simply crash. It was shot down, an act of war, which is a VERY important distinction.
Yeah we all are aware of that.
I wonder why if your plane did not fly over Ukraine.
The world will never forget this shameful act. The perpetrators of this horrible atrocity must and shall be held to account.
Tell that to the Ukranian government which gave no warnings or requests to change course to MH-17 but did nothing as it flew straight into an active combat zone where Ukraninan military aircraft were operating and getting shot down. How were the separatists supposed to know that they were targeting a civilian airliner and not another Ukranian military aircraft performing bombing runs?
@@AddieHiltonExactly. Ukraine did not take this seriously and was not genuine
@@AddieHiltonThis narrative again? On that same day, dozens of civilian planes were given clearance to fly ABOVE the restricted zone. There's even another airline nearby this MH17. How come only this rebel unit downed a civilian plane? This is simply them getting confused for a moment, or not following the orders from the higher ups. It can be a miscommunication or simply a mistake.
@@AddieHilton Radars can identify aircraft, BUK radar definitely can.
@@AddieHiltonSeparatists who bear arms are illegal in the first place. If they have AA missiles then the country providing them has complicity in this warcrime.
Some humans are worse than any monsters we all can imagine.
It was an accident. It could have happened to anyone, even these rebels were surprised shocked and likely dejected.
It's terrible what happened but it's clear it wasn't intentional, and suss the plane was in that airspace it seems... Gonna go do some reading. There were incidents like this during the Cold War where the US would send South Korean passenger plans into Soviet airspace to spy, refuse to heed warnings or reply to communications, then cry foul when they were shot down. I wonder if something similar was going on here - in which case whichever government was involved would be the real culprit. Not claiming that btw, just giving other ways to lol at this than 'monsters'
Communism did this to a lot of humans brains. They are fighting back at the world for losing.
@@mcfeddle of course they were dejected because it meant the end of Europe being in different to their mission.
@@mcfeddle oh as long as it was an accident, that's fine. To all the families mourning loved ones, it's okay because it was an accident. Sure it could've happened to anyone. We're all killing innocent plane passengers everyday by accident
Sick people in this world
Up the Boro................Western Backed Rebel in Ukraine and Syria.
Angry Capsicum Ukrainian revel groups like Svoboda
@@WhatLegendsAreMadeOf
Down the boro......Russian fascist terrorists in Russian fascist occupied Ukraine
@@ctcole77 ukraine is the one that supports hitler
WhatLegendsAreMadeOf the ones that support Russia?
"Oh crap.. we just killed 300 people" "Hmmm.. Too bad! Anyways, who wants to go for a beer?"
Vodka*
Distasteful
The Ukrainian army has been killing Russian people in the Donbas for 7 years. therefore they treat deaths in a simpler manner.
Direspectful comment
That's sounded very criminals and psychopath at the same time.
The saddest part is no one go to jail in this crime.
And this one:US shot down Airliner Iran Air Flight 655
How TF Malaysia would even held Russia responsible, if Malay beside Them. It already attacked by Russia just like Ukraine right now
Its because it was a warzone, the plane didn’t have the rights to go through that airspace as there were Anti Aircraft emplacements already there
They can't prosecute anything related to Russia. Malaysian gov't is not as strong as Kremlin.
In fact, this is simply miscommunication between this specific aa unit and the higher ups. Several civilian planes are also flying that day ABOVE the restricted zone. Only MH17 was downed after entering the area where this specific aa unit was entrenched.
Who is responsible
So sad, they shoot down the plane and then blame Bound for flying in that area. And then they steal their stuff
Flying above a warzone is a pretty safe way to ensure your death. Well they don't need their stuff anymore , do they?
@@muezzinmeier2569 yea the families might do to memorize them...
They did not steal the stuff. They were looking for documents and other ways to identify passengers. These people did neither sound nor behave like looters.
@@muezzinmeier2569 Its a warzone now? According to Russia there is no war in Ukraine.
@@tomselleck6912 I would like to ask the Russians if they saw the sun come up that morning?
The statement "Who gave them the corridor" (the right to fly through this area) raises even more disturbing questions about this avoidable accident.
Why was a commercial aircraft even allowed near a war zone where SAM's and military aircraft were being used?
Was that question ever really answered?
So the Airline could save $ on fuel, maybe. Tried making deal with some corrupt Russian contacts to get them not to shoot it down if they took the shortest path, and then miscommunication between the Ruskis and their separatist buddies. Just one of so many possible reasons. ;(
@@Tmb1112 and theyre all blaming the russians. like, how the hell would they know it would be a malaysian passenger jet? enemy jets and transport planes fly overhead normally, which is why they literally have anti air posted.
i blame this on the malaysian airlines for being so careless and flying over disputed territory where ukrainian IL72s get shot down
It could have been avoided by Russia not illegally invading Ukraine and not having some ill-trained Russian Fckwits. Period.
@@curly5330 But the thing is, commanders knew it was a passenger plane. Their plan was to blame Ukraine for it.
@@peeterl.2016 lol. interesting info. Source: trust me bro?
As a Malaysian and a frequent traveller, it breaks my heart to the core.
We lost 2 civilian planes, full of innocent someone's family members. One remains mysterious, and this one is a pure crime.
These 2 tragedies is why I'm afraid of flying outside of the country.
@@quetzalcueyat indeed, but sometimes, we have to fly for some urgent, no-other-choice reasons.
Im forget about channel made full video about MH370, but im remember that MH370 are little bit obvious since the pilot have some problem with his wife (affair & divorce) but also it's become coincidence because the MH370 case to, some of investigator blame the pilot because he have so much problem and planing to do suicide & mass murder with the plane but some investigato said it was coincidence because MH370 flight on a bad weather and bad nature condition, also some of the MH370 body parts was found accros hindia ocean.
For MH17 it was clear that the ATC fault because they give permission to civillian plane to flight accros warzone area with AA deffense.
RIP to all both plane passanger, may god bless them and give them the best in the heaven.
*sorry for bad english*
@@s.n.r394 Yes, they are several assumptions on MH370, but none is concrete. We cannot say which one is correct. Even the plane parts cannot tell the exact story. They are in heaven mysteriously.
No problem, we can understand your English easily :)
@@s.n.r394 I really don't believe the pilot is to blame. Of course I don't know, but it seems to me that if he were, we'd been told so in a more obvious way from the very beginning. Regarding MH17, the ATC actually asked them to lower their altitude right above the war zone, which is totally insane, since other airlines were kept to fly higher or elsewhere, and in any case, planes go higher as they lose the weight of the kerosene they've been using. The flight was in its fourth hour, which is typically a time when these types of planes on long haul flights start going higher than their original cruising altitude after departure. In both cases, something is really fishy and I don't believe anybody on board is to blame. I have no idea why, but I tend to think both planes were targeted. Let us pray for them all anyway.
so sad and disturbing seeing blurred out areas in the video...
Damn they really kept this under wraps huh, this is the first time in getting this
It was the same year another Malaysia airlines flight just upped and disappeared it was a bad year for plane travel
Yeah I've heard of this until tdy either. Ur pfp doe..
Bruh, the video is 6 years old...
@@lucapereira4714 so really it was just TH-cam algorithm at it again
Same.
My brother an I flew out from the UK to New Zealand on July 17, 2014 with malaysian airlines, and stopped over at Kuala Lumpur Airport. Having had no idea what happened, i logged onto facebook in KL only to find my inbox filled with worried messages from friends and family. According to my dad, we flew over exactly the same flight path, 4 hours ahead of the MH17 flight.
I remember this vividly, no one spoke about it here in the UK. Yet I don't ever forget it... Especially the picture of a danish mother and son takens moments before the plane was shot down
This is pretty fckd up.... a Ukrainian military plane was shot down in exactly that area a month earlier... If they kept sending civilian passenger planes trough that airspace, the flight controller must have had a hell of a lot of faith in the Russian separatists ability to identify exactly what aircraft it is before firing on it.
It was on the news in the UK, but why would people be talking about it much to others. Its completely out of our control. There were so many awful things happening all the time.
@@marinodezelak1180 iirc the restricted flight zone was set up to 10,000m, and MH17 had been flying above that threshold at the time of impact.
@@Lotsielots why do people talk of ukraine and russia now, yet not back then. This has been brewing for 8 years. Many actions took of been taken to prevent this. The deaths of those on that plane, for nothing!
They blame the mh17 for fly there, but there were other planes flew there hours before mh17. Planes just dont change course without permission. They were allowed to take the course. It just so happen to be mh17 that got shot down.
0:04 "It can't be shooting after? (Background)" "Yea, we are in the plane territory too....(fone)"
Exactly. There were two Singapore Airlines flights and an Air India flight was not far from the murder scene either.
They re suck
They claim that they thought it was a Ukrainian military transport.
Which was flying the civilian corridor.
Where did they think a Ukrainian military transport was heading in Eastern Ukraine?
Moscow?
To bomb it with Borscht?
They effed up and continue to lie about it and Russia's role in it.
VALHALLAXE They don’t.
Evil.
The amount of times I flew into areas as crew that have since been involved in these kinds of incidents or are now crippled with war is scary.
Would never go back to flying, the world is cruel.
1:10 , there’s something oddly disturbing about the fact that, at this point I’m Certain they knew what they took down, and they just went on and rummaged, through their intact belongings like that..
The dead don't need clothes
Theyre checking if civilian luggage or military, also the passenger dont need the clothe no more
Like that reply above me, yes they check is it military or not.
But i think it's more like.. They know it's passenger plane already because lot of seats and corpses. And that crawling pilot. BUT they still check is there any of military stuff in that plane? They can use that as their alibi maybe if they can find any military equipment.
They were in denial
@@DBT1007 I think it was more desperation as it sunk in what they just did.
"The pilot was seen crawling" Rip to everyone who died that day😢
Hearing that thing was just heartbreaking 💔
The pilot would have been killed when the missile exploded.
No one in the cocpit survived the initial missile hit
Never seen ,The cock pit was hit first pilots died right away most passengers also before it hit the ground
@@summerrr1 why is that?..
Do Russian sams seek the cockpit of aircraft? or the heat signature from the exhaust? The Sam obviously would’ve hit the engines mid plane on that big jet, why all the folks lying about it?
Guilty Eastern Europeans? 🤦♂️🇺🇸
This was one of the possible flights I could have boarded. After my long distance girlfriend at the time, now ex, had pleaded with me not to board any Malaysian Airlines flights after the disappearance of flight 370 a couple of months prior. I agreed with her and decided to get the KLM flight to Hong-Kong one week earlier, as my college agreed that I could leave a couple of days earlier.
To think my eyes were locked on a digital ticket, that was sure to be my demise, makes me thankful for everything I have in life now.
frankly speaking mh17 was just unlucky on that day 160 plane from airplane company from all the world use the same route on that day. Even when this incident happen another Singapore plane is just 33km from there. Malaysia airline was one of the safest airplane companies until 2014 2 incident. Based on their pass record there was no any life aircraft accident for so many years until 2014 this 2 accident which not even their fault to begin with. Who the hell knows rebellion will have aa to atk civilian aircraft.
@@路人甲-j9vYeah, planes were given clearance above the restricted zone that time. It's obvious that this specific crew team in charge of an aa unit got confused for a moment or intentionally downed the plane. No justice given since Malaysia can't touch these rebels backed by Russia and also have little diplomatic channel with Ukraine.
The fact that this was carried out by a military group seems like, at the very least, a war crime to me. Sad that there was never much in the way of justice carried out.
Justice is a lot rarer than we think.
What is justice, at times, if not revenge?
It's been over seven years. Never forget.
they flew into airspace they were not allowed to be in
i mean what did they expect? there flying over a war in a literal no fly zone. the pilot is responsible for every death here smh.
@@sploomwhale9424 no, if i am correct the no fly zone was under 11k meters but the plane was above it
Rebels: *shoots down the wrong target*
Also rebels: So are we considered terroists now?
Rebels: Shootdown plane in warzone
Also rebels: Why did they fly here
Plane company: Cheaper
always has been
Insert "are we the baddies now?" Meme
The rebels didn't have the legal power to close the airspace, only a recognised national government has that power, the rebels aren't internationally recognised to this day, only reason they never got bombed back to the stone age was they have Russian support and they use civilian sheilds. That's the reason NATO has never sent peacekeepers into what is now a NATO members territory.
That said, this was, and is, a recognised conflict zone and the airspace should have been closed, but at the time the Russians had said it was safe and they were ensuring it remained open, while af the same time supplying weapons capable of targetting aircraft in it. Majorly stupid decision that cost hundreds of innocent lives, and sadly there never will be any justice for those who died.
Nobody officially considers these rebels to be terrorists whatsoever.
Its amazing and sad how that bag was still perfectly intact and the clothes still folded on the inside
I mean, yeah, bags don’t really break on impact.
That is proof of quality, Adventure Equipments are the second most Reliable kinds of Equipment in the world next to Military grade
@@ShinCadian27th ...made in China...
@@Enforcer_WJDE parts made in Japan and South Korea, and assembled in China for cheaper price
He should have rode in the bag.
They're frantically searching the bags because they're in disbelief that they shot down a civilian plane. They're looking for some evidence in the bags - a wepaon, anything to reassure them that this was a military target.
Of course, Malaysia Airlines, deserves some blame for flying a civilian plane through a warzone (it's commonsense). This tragedy has taught airlines not to make the same mistake, and now the flight space above ukraine is basically empty.
Western liars always lie, they conduct a classic emergency search operation at the crash site! As for the Malaysian Boeing flight MH 17 that got out of Amsterdam, the Netherlands, NATO, it was not shot down, but blown up by the special services of the West and Ukraine with an imitation that it was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile.
It was not a warzone, otherwise it would have been closed off.
They're not the only airlines flying there. Emirates, Lufthansa & Singapore Airlines had more flights flying through that route than any non-Russian/Ukrainian airline. So it's not a question that they shouldn't have flown over it. RUSSIA SHOULDN'T HAVE INVADED THE UKRAINE.
@@tiadaid It is a lie, the Kiev post-Maidan regime unleashed a civil war in the Donbass in April 2014, attracted Su-27, Mig-29, Su-25,,,, and SAMs, including those Buks Buk/BukM1 missiles 9M38/9M38M1. Moreover, in June 2014, the Radar TRLK-8 Artemovsk was destroyed near the settlement of Zaitsevo, which turned this part of the air space into a black hole (this was done by the 3rd special forces regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine). But Russia did not invade Donbass in 2014, but only on February 24, 2022, Russia launched a Special Military Operation in response to the aggression of the Kiev regime and the first thing they did was close the airspace. Well, the Malaysian Boeing of flight MH 17, and most likely two Malaysian Boeing, considering flight MH 370, were destroyed, (blown up) by the special services of the West (NATO + the British Commonwealth) and their Kiev puppets.
No one believes your lies and propaganda. @bak1391 Russia out of Ukraine
@@ЕгорЕрмаков-л2п Я говорю правду. А запад и их украинские нацистские коллаборационисты ложь.
Love how they're searching the bags thinking they're going to find weapons and instead find clothes.
Yeah...
The entirety of the situation is disgusting. But realistically the soldiers were carrying out a pretty thorough check to verify before reporting the final answer.
@Carlos As another guy pointed out they were flying from Western Ukraine above the eastern rebel part towards Russia. Are they bringing supplies to the enemy? I dont think so. Thats not logical at all.
Even after pulling out the first pair of jeans... "Oh the grenades must be underneath!"
@Mirage_Panzer but they looted it. numberless pictures and videos on how they looted the bags.
I am originally from Malaysia, eight years ago there were two tragedies within four months, first the disappearance of MH 370 and the shot down of MH 17. This is heartbreaking to see that.
There's an case in wiki , Malaysia airline flight 653 and 2133
Bro what's with Malaysia and these Airplane incidents
@@Karma-cj1wu This is a tragedy with four months.
@@Yuhon100 this is done by america i have a huge gut feeling..why would Obama announce mh17 crash?
@@Karma-cj1wu two of the worst incidents in aviation history happened within four months, with the same airline company
WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE!
WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!!
we sure will never forget nor forgive those involved
InshaAllah they died as shaheed brother
@Prince Harambe
your mom perhaps?
@Prince Harambe GET THE FK OUT OF HERE FSB AGENT!!!!
Cringe Muhlasyia
What the hell, so basically they raided the crash side, collected all cellphones and turned them off and stole the blackbox?! WTF!!
They conducted emergency rescue operation at the crash site of the blown up (three internal explosions, the main one and two in the cockpit to simulate external impact +executed in the Netherlands, falsification and concealment of the wreckage of the aircraft, data including from the flight recorders, forgery of parts of the disassembled Ukrainian missile tуpe 9M38( and not type 9M38M1), forgery of striking elements) by the West and their colony Ukraine flight MH 17. Malaysian Boeing 777-200ER number 9M-MRD, which departed from Amsterdam, Netherlands (a NATO member country) and was deliberately blown up in Ukraine to create the illusion that it was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile. To blame the Donbass Militia and Russia. And on the basis of this to force the EU to introduce sectoral restrictions against the Russian economy. To which Russia gave the EU its answer in the form of restrictions on products from the EU. The plan of Paul Krugman, Obama's economic advisor, has been implemented.
They did turn in the black box to Malaysian officials but yeah they took everyones stuff. They didn't ship it back to their stuff.
Yeah and?!
@@damientorres1066of course a Hispanic had to make this question, ironic
@@LegendKingY2jracist lmao, I'm Hispanic and both of y'all are idiots.
It's 6 years and I can still feel the pain
Me too buddy... it’s still hard to believe
@@stefanm4326 :(
yeah 😔
now 7
oops nvm
My next door neighbour lost their daughter in that flight. She was one of the fligh crew for Malaysia Airlines. RIP Kakak. Al-Fatihah
Al-Fatiha inna lilahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun
To God we belong and to him we return
Alhamdulillahi rabbil alameen
:( I hope she rests in peace
Its sad that this was swept under the rug. My heart goes out to all the families and friends of those who were wrongfully taken from this world.
Wrongfully? Those "rebel" maybe got a some money out of all the small things they stole from the corpses. We need to think about them as well.
@@kissaninja9700 what?
@@onyxdragon1179 what?
Well , those rebels were supported by Russia and near Russia, anyone who wants to go there will be threathen with a nuke
This plane was shot down buy pro russian rebels. BUT. The ukrainian government is responsible to lock down the air corridor over dangerious terrain. A couple month this was an dangerous corridor, but the government locked it only to flights under 7900 Meters (29000 feet) height. 3 days before MH17 got shot, an ukrainian Antonov army plane got shot in 6500m (21300 feet) height. After that the ukrainian government did not shut down the whole corridor for passenger planes. They just took the limit for flights up to 9750 meter (32000 feet). They knew how dangerous this was and still they let hundreds of passenger planes fly above this corridor. As far as i know, passenger airplane companys have to pay money to the government to fly over those corridors, so they would have lost a lot of money if the shut down this corridor. Then flight MH17 got shot, when it ONLY flew 300 meters (984 feet) above the limit of 9750 meter (32000 feet) height. The ukrainian government send not a SINGLE warning to passenger plane companys how dangerous it was there. And then the plane got shot. It was probably mistaken for an army plane. Some of the rebels made serious mistakes, but still it was the ukrainian governments task to shut down the whole corridor. But they havent done it. And right now this whole things gets swept under the rug and ukraine says its russias fault while russia says its ukraines fault. Disgusting. Both cowards. - Nobody held accountable to this day. But their souls 100% get what they deserve.
culprits are still unpunished
imean, its not like we can arrest them...
The literal disrespect they are showing to those dead bodies after all that they did is just burning my mind
It's war, they would even drive through the bodies or step on them if it's in their way.
well they need to know was it a civilian plane
@@AlenB29Even if it was a cargo plane we would still lose the lives of the pilots
Whatever the case might be hunting down planes is not what they should be doing
@@sus5976 yea that's the problem it's real life and I can't believe humans like this exist
Edit I am soft and it's ok to be soft in such cases
@@harambe7221 Its war my guy, people die. Blame the air traffic control for sending this airline over an obvious war zone, ofcourse I'm not trying to excuse the many deaths, but this was easily preventable if people were just smarter.
So many innocent civilians killed for absolutely no reason!! This was heart wrenching....may the departed Souls Rest In Peace 🙏...Om Shanti 🙏
Salam dari bali
Om shanti 🙏
What is om shanti?
@@nicholasgoodfellow5774 hindu hindi dialect roughly translating to shanti-peace
Om-its the sound of life..like when meditating
fake gods made by humans
For context, the ones who shot down MH17 was not the Ukrainian government but Russian-backed rebels fighting in the Donbas. The surface-to-air missile launcher used to shoot down MH17 was supplied by Russia.
Yes! Correct! And after a lot of photo and video with this buk m1 in road to the Rostov(Russia)
I highly, highly doubt the missile system was operated by "rebels". These systems are complex and require training, and Russian certainly didn't just drive the system into eastern Ukraine and give the "rebels" they keys. Russia has been hiding behind the "rebels did it" lie since this happened.
@@huckleberrysundry No Russian Soldiers in the occupied areas right? Has one thing, one single thing,Russia has claimed been true?
Actually Russia stopped using this specific model of missile years ago, only Ukraine still uses them. Both the Ukrainian and Russian teams investigating how the plane was shot down came to the same conclusion that it was a missile that only Ukraine uses.
Why was that plane flying over a war zone? That in itself is unbelievably suspicious!
The crazy thing is nearly a decade later Russia still flagrantly lies and says Ukraine did this, despite their own guys literally recording the aftermath.
They're speaking ukrainian buddy. These guys are ethnically Ukrainian but they support Russia.
They r Ukrainian bro
@@oogie493They are speaking Russian, they can still be Ukrainian though, just Russian speaking
Russia didn't lie. This rebels were Ukrainians at that time, meaning Ukraine did this. Not just in direct sense, but also by not closing the airspace in warzone.
The worst part? The rest of the world does nothing about these rebels.
Because it is a Russian problem at this point. They arened the rebels so they have to handle it.
Yeaa let Russia handle that before we call ww3 too soon
The rebels fighting against Assad?
Assad . . . . the guy who ordered entire villages to be gassed.
Yeah, maybe fix the whole country instead of killing the LESSER of two evils.
@@NymbusCumulo928 Wait we aren't talking about Syria we're talking about Ukraine.
What can we do? If any country tries to intervene, the whole world will go up in flames
Back here in 2022. I can't believe it's been 8 years. Such a terrible act that doesn't get spoken about enough. RIP victims and peace to Ukraine 🟨🟦
F*ck russia no mercy to them
People must stop excusing the Russian people from things like this the blood is in all their hands. They’re complicit by not being able to moderate their government. Glory to 🇺🇦
@@afwannurhafiy6196 Russia was stay in the Donetsk. And they shot down the malaysian airline with their missile. Russian army was stay on ukraine land. So russian can blame the ukrainian. So everyone will knew that was ukrainian take down the malaysian airline.
Imagine if im pretending to be russian that secretly malaysian. And destroy the China plane. Can china blame the russia then?
@@afwannurhafiy6196 If ukrainian destroy malaysia airline. The ukrainian are Pro-russia then. Ukrainian would never destroying our plane. If im wrong. Correct me
@@NormanThe_FreedomHope22-5 orang malaysia ke?
Man these people are sick. They even went through the victims’ stuff like wow.
I mean it was a very active warzone. They weren't looking through to post a click bait article, they were not looking through tp steal... it is war and russians are very paranoid. Like back when Korean Airlines flight 007 was shot down by russian fighter jets in the 80s they explained away everything that said that flight 007 was civilian. They dug through MH17 because they were desperate to find that one bit of evidence that would give plausible deniability but... none there.
Your ignorance is worst than theres
@Carl Brilliant Terrorism is founded by usrael and not Russia!
The coup in Kiev as been founded by USA/Israel, EU, Soros!
@@christianmagno984 as shocking as it may seem, Israel did not invent terrorism
@@night-lc1vc They are the inventor of TERRORISTS and they still are one of the biggest terrorist organization.
And yet i barely see anyone blaming airlines. They were full aware of fighting going on, yet still deciced to save up some money on fuel, and only changed routes after plane got shot down
Till this day I'm just very sad about this invident, even as a non Malaysian.
Not only malaysia people in that plane. The majority are dutch people
Your comment is everywhere!
Malaysian😒
Is nationality even a factor to weigh in? an average human being no matter of which nationality will show empathy.
@@CreattivZeditZ agreed!
I"m from malaysian..this accident will be black memory for us..especially during hari raya aidilfitri celeberation..
We hate russian
Allah Y Rahmoe
@@isixxaptrone8590
U hate their religion. Russia da BEST 😇
@@NoName-kb9kn i hate their peoples,,,greed of power,,i Don't have any problems with Christian,,, especially we as Malaysians live together peacefully with a multi religous back ground
What accident? This was intentional.
I remember my mother being really sad that she lost a medical student in this crash, they were studying medicine at UMF in Cluj, Romania and going home to visit their family. We have a responsibility to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression we promised to do so in exchange for the nuclear disarming of Ukraine. Now we see why countries are desperate to gain these weapons, there is no safety without them as the world is unwilling to defend freedom.
The countries desperate to acquire nuclear weapons are not doing so to defend themselves from Russia... but from the aggression of the USA.
@@rachelg785 thats a flat out lie. Japan and South Korea want nukes to offset China. Pakistan wanted nukes because India got them. India wanted nukes because China got them. China wanted nukes because both the USSR and the US threatened them with nukes. The only nations that want nukes because of the US currently is North Korea and Iran. Ukraine wants its nukes back because of Russia not the US.
Pretty sure it was Ukrainian rebels backed by nato who shot this plane down
@@JoeWayne84 Ukranian rebels backed by NATO? LMAO. Nice gaslighting kremlin bot. No amount of your propaganda will erase the truth that it the plane was shot down by a Russian surface-to-air missile. Putin should be tried for war crimes and hanged.
@@JoeWayne84 Yes, there is evidence the Russians presented that was not 'accepted' by the western driven 'investigation' that showed the BUK missiles and launcher responsible (identified via serial numbers) were last in the hands of the Ukrainians as Russia divested themselves of these old weapons decades ago... so yes, that is most likely the case.
1:00 yes that's the question
Who gave them right to fly in this conflicted zone?
as in all conflict zones before it. Flying was allowed above 9750m altitude.
The same ban applied to flights over Syria and Iraq.
@@ВанДаркхолменкоno, flying above donbass in general was banned. Also, 9750 altitude isn't even that much, military transporters fly much higher.
Tears role down my eyes watching this, dreams, futures, hopes, aspirations, expectations, destinies, ambitions all unfortunately cut short due to politics and misinformation on the side of the rebels. To my understanding, they had no idea it was a passager plane, they shot it down thinking it's a military plane or probably a plane belonging to one of their enemies.
Rebels???? Those were Russian and the weapons they used were from Russia
@@minzblatt they're Ukrainian
Why the hell were they allowed to fly over a warzone? Fast money, lifelong agony
@@sillygoose4100 no they are not. They are talking Russian here, not Ukrainian.
@@sillygoose4100 where did Ukrainian rebels get surface to air missiles from?
Really sickening that they even had the nerve to go through the dead’s belongings.
Bro this was a war
They were searching evidence
@@derp5958 that’s not what they were doing. They realized after their stupid decision that they had shot down a passenger plane and looked in their things to confirm it.
They were looking for military equipment to see of it was a passenger plane
It's Ukraine for ya
@@laurebourgeois7256 not Ukrainians , ‘Ukrainian rebels’ who are basically all Russians nothing Ukrainian about them just cross the border to try and claim the land as there own
So sad to think that these passengers were going on living their normal lives, maybe going abroad for work or for vacation, maybe to meet their loved ones and in a moment they all died. RIP to those who lost their lives.
Who let the plane fly over a war zone is the big question
Who asked?
Still dont understand why commercial airplanes would fly over a fricking warzone
Because it was not a war zone. Yes, there's conflict, but it's often ground based fighting.
@@tiadaid It was a warzone a coup happened ha
The west downplayed heavily the situation going on there in the same way like in Georgia in 2008, to the point they didn't really find it necessary to make this area a no fly zone for planes. If there would be a very strong and impactful reaction for events in Georgia in 2008, sanctions and so on, then nothing would happen in Ukraine in 2014, this terrible accident wouldn't happen and current war wouldn't happen either. 2008 was seriously a Pandora's box being opened... Very sad because untill 2007 we were really doing great, if not recession and lack of heavy intervention in Georgia, we would be in a completely different place nowadays, most likely way better.
Mayb3 😂 their embassy didn't worked two ways but instead it do run instead of ' one way '
So.. whoes the white donkey Embassy that was left off???
Rest in Peace to all the people who were apart of this tragedy. My condolences go out to the families affected by this tragedy aswell ❤️
Pieces really
@@yonggasaputro656 jokowi tahik
@@yonggasaputro656 because russia is being a degenerate rn
Eaz
A total of 298 people died in this crash, of which 193 were Dutch. It explains why the Netherlands supports Ukraine strongly in this war.
I don’t blame them!
I friggen support Ukraine!
Netherlands has drained its military resources - it has a rather small military - and sent it to Ukraine. It's the only revenge or justice they can get.
@@equarg as every decent human being should
In 2017, media in the Netherlands described how fake news reports of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash were propagated with the support of Omtzigt who introduced a Russian man as an "eyewitness" of the crash on a public expert debate in May 2017. The man, who was an asylum-seeker from Ukraine, never witnessed the crash, and his speech, texted to him by Omtzigt prior to the interview, repeated one of the Russia-promoted versions of Mig jets downing the Boeing. Shortly thereafter, journalists determined that R. had not been at home on the night of the crash and he had already been interviewed by officials who had discounted him as a witness.[19][20][21] He acknowledged via Twitter that he had acted carelessly and a few days later resigned from the spokesperson for the MH17 file.
This plane was shot down buy pro russian rebels. BUT. The ukrainian government is responsible to lock down the air corridor over dangerious terrain. A couple month this was an dangerous corridor, but the government locked it only to flights under 7900 Meters (29000 feet) height. 3 days before MH17 got shot, an ukrainian Antonov army plane got shot in 6500m (21300 feet) height. After that the ukrainian government did not shut down the whole corridor for passenger planes. They just took the limit for flights up to 9750 meter (32000 feet). They knew how dangerous this was and still they let hundreds of passenger planes fly above this corridor. As far as i know, passenger airplane companys have to pay money to the government to fly over those corridors, so they would have lost a lot of money if the shut down this corridor. Then flight MH17 got shot, when it ONLY flew 300 meters (984 feet) above the limit of 9750 meter (32000 feet) height. The ukrainian government send not a SINGLE warning to passenger plane companys how dangerous it was there. And then the plane got shot. It was probably mistaken for an army plane. Some of the rebels made serious mistakes, but still it was the ukrainian governments task to shut down the whole corridor. But they havent done it. And right now this whole things gets swept under the rug and ukraine says its russias fault while russia says its ukraines fault. Disgusting. Both cowards.
and also important.. hundreds of passenger planes flew over this corridor before this plane was shot down... the ukrainian government was responsible to inform the airlines if a corridor is safe or not but they neglected it and didnt inform anyone or gave false information.
There were a lot of Dutch passengers on that plane, one my classmate's friend was on that plane with his family. It took a long time to get the bodies back (what was left of them) and still no one has been held responsible. Someone fired that rocket, someone must be punished.
it was not even a rocket, it was artillery
@@NaakteMolrattenZijnCool It was a rocket, it was rocket artillery. It was a BUK missile.
No one cares about Dutch people because they are white
@@AJ-zv9tn same to black and Asian people then eh
It was Putins thugs in Donbass region.
So not a single one of these scumbags even sounded guilty over this. wtf....
Why would they feel guilty about it
Why They guilty? Thats not their fault.
@@ratrakksstar4420 They shot down the plane... how is that not their fault?
@gundamgunpla4685 Why plane was in war zone?
"Moment murderers realized they'd murdered innocent people" is a better title.
@@mellowyellow360 The rebels are murderers who murdered innocent civilians. Does that make it clear?
@@sudonim7552 then why are they called murderers? Who did they murder? There is one answer for that, INNOCENTS. That's why the comment doesn't make any sense.
@@sudonim7552 then he said "Realized" soo they didn't realized that they killed innocent people in their country?
My freind not all peaplo are innocent in this world event if it was some civilian
@@skadisimp. Yea no one is innocent but in this case everyone in that passenger plane was, they were shot down and murdered for absaloutely no reason
The panic of the man emptying the bag, when he realized he was a mass murderer.
@@luckymstr5614 how are they all equally guilty? The only ones guilty is the one pressing the button and the one giving the order.
And the ones deciding that flying civil air traffic trough an active war zone where both parties have air defense systems are the most guilty
@@KingAGBozz Not equally guilty. But still guilty in some sense, for siding and working with the one who pressed the button and the one who gave the order
@@elfryeorin it's a warzone, the enemy flies by and bombs your people. It's hard to distinguish planes from that height. Also nobody expects civil airplanes over a war zone where thousands die and both sides have air defense as I mentioned.
Your countries army did horrible things as well, are all your soldiers guilty?
I tend to think it was the separatists but that's not a hard fact either. Ukraine could've shot it down as well
@@KingAGBozz It was from a Russian Buk Air defense system belonging to the 53rd Anti-Air Brigade
@@signs80 proof?
A good friend of ours was in that plane too, Willem Grootscholten. May he and the rest, rest in peace.😔
just because russia made a conflict and made the donbass airskies dangerous doesnt mean that malaysia airlines could just fly right through it without any consideration for its passengers safety. if anything Malaysia airlines should be punished for it's dozens of crashes.
@@curly5330 this was in 2014
@@curly5330 ah yes because how dare malaysia airlines for flying a route other passengers planes had flown on the same day.
@@merrynesther doesnt matter, a lot of planes go through afghan war zones, some get shot down and some dont, your point?
@@curly5330 my point is that at the time, it was a common airway used by airlines that hadn't been closed because the ukrainian government had underestimated the russian separatists. it's in no way MH's fault.
Unforgiveable. So horrible how no one is being held accountable.
The geopolitics was being played by the biggest players at that time that we Malaysians have literally no leverage or chance to have a say in all this and got swept under the carpet.
Both sides told their stories and blamed each other, in the end there was no justice ever brought.
Politicians And Terrorist In War Like Politicians Are Gamers Against CPU (Terrorist) In The 3D Gaming Panel On The Table Inside The Conference Room.
Top bad Malaysia is the bottom tier of the underdogs among world nations. Where scraps and bones are thrown to the politicians to keep them happy. Malaysia is like a dog with no balls and teeth compared to Russia and US
Russia delivering only food to donbass. It only this junta in kiev to blame. As proven in the last 2 years it's a terrorist regime willing to kill all Ukrainians for PR stunts and money.
“A pilot was seen crawling.” Dude.
Highly unlikely. The pilots were the first to die due to the warhead explosion
A lie, pilots were pulverized because the missile airburst right in front of the cap cab.
Such a tragedy to happen to 2 Malaysian airlines aircraft in 1 year. I’ve only been to Malaysia twice, but I love the country and it’s people. Fun, friendly, hard working and kind, I cried after this happened. RIP.
Operation under a false flag! Double Northwoods in both damage and lies. The lie is not only in who did it, but also in how it was done!
Man, this is so hard to watch.
I wouldn´t consider them rebels. They are russian PMC´s instructed by GRU Special forces. And in this case - they are just criminals
Also most likley shot down by a S400 system probably not rebel held gear
@@matti550 shot down by a Russian BUK, in possession of rebel forces. They made tweets about it at the time, but deleted them by the time they shot down this plane. I still remember reading all about it, when it occurred
I blame the USA for doing the Regime change in Ukraine. In USA controlled airspace...
“Guys we shot down a plane hopefully its not an americ- wait ITS A PASSENGER PLANE?”
Imagine if it was American 😬 even Chinese 😬 the whole country would surrender
@Sung Jin-Woo lol imagine us asking for help like in philippines, china,
Etc
@@cashper917 China?
@@Zeunknown1234 south korea.
@@cashper917 ok
This is no accident
This should be considered terrorism
The Russians should be lucky there wasn’t Americans on board, otherwise stuff woulda gotten real proportional.
@@JustADiamondBlock The guys in this video aren’t even Russian, and Russia has absolutely nothing to do with this
@ it was shot down over Russian occupied territory, so yes they do.
What? No, it was occupied by pro Russian separatists that wanted to be independent from Ukraine and praise daddy Putin like a Belarus 2.0.@@JustADiamondBlock
As Malaysian citizens, we will never forget.
Guess what?No one gives a fuck,u shouldn't fly around war zone u dumbass
Oh no. As Russian, my heart rate increase right now. Scary Malaysia will never forget, what should we do?
@@skorpicora7939 да ниче, людей жалко, но нехер летать над закрытым воздушным пространством
@@HM-wy6pt нехер было разделится от украины и жить нормально без россии
@@skorpicora7939 its not a threat, he's just saying he won't forget the people who died that day.
The fact that this was months after the MH370 incident and being a Malaysian who has always enjoyed flying with Malaysian Airlines just saddens me. Both events will go down as two of the most troubling events in Malaysian Aviation history.
Smartphones, laptops and camera equipment have been traced back to Russia and sold! Quote: Australian news reporter. Sal Peterman.
Scott Clark. Nice try, documents show the missile that took it down was from a base in Ukraine and only operational in Ukraine for the Ukrainian army
Putin ADMITTED it was Russia
Mike , that time Putin was flying throw Belarus in Russia on his plane , Yea , Ukraine shooted russian passenger plane from Aeroflot company
And they all get away with it. Putin most never set one foot on Dutch soil!
@@hardcorehunter9155 Go f#ck yourself with your lies.
If that ain’t a war crime, idk what is…
This is another war crime of the West, or rather part of it, because there was a preparatory stage on March 8, 2014, to be done on July 17, 2014.
it is war crime and it's Ukraine to blame for it. Intentionally funneling civilian planes over war zone and the west did nothing about it. Doneck was area with 40% of Ukrainian GDP and a lot of military equipment. Regardless today we know what ukraine is willing to do for their PR stunts. They see ukrainians expandable.
They better thank god there was no Americans on that flight.
They're rebels they don't abide by Geneva.
That year, Malaysia has lost 2 airplanes and all of the passengers...MH17 was shot by random rebels while MH370 is still missing till this day...I gave my condolences to all of the passengers
who was it that allowed a passenger plane flying over a war zone I will never know
@@KristianDabeski the no fly zone was a lower altitude. This plane was flying above that, it should've never been targeted.
We actually lost 3 planes that same year, except maybe it doesn't count since the plane was registered under airasia indonesia. But still, airasia is malaysian based for the most part
@@jamiemcdonald4279 still, why take the risk
It was shot down by russian invaders. It's disrespectful to the victims to not name the actual criminals who are responsible for this terroristic act and the country that sponsored it - russia.
As a Malaysian, this was just unbearable...
08 March 2014 MH370 went missing...
17 July 2014 MH17 got shot down...
Malaysia Airlines reputation had gone from being one of the safest airlines in the world, to the worst...
Even though MH17 was just a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time...
MH370's latest finding was suggesting that someone on the plane had entered into a (failed) negotiation with someone in the Malaysian government, when it flew for abt 22 mins in a holding pattern above the sea area outside the tip of Sumatera island...
New research and new search will began soon , operated , looking for the new location
Just found out about this. That's horrible, both inoccent people and pets were on board😥
R.I.P.🕊
Really?? It was International news
@@fullsunny2530yes, I was pretty young when this happened and I never used to watch the news
Tell that to the Ukranian government which gave no warnings or requests to change course to MH-17 but did nothing as it flew straight into an active combat zone where Ukrainian military aircraft were operating and getting shot down. How were the separatists supposed to know that they were targeting a civilian airliner and not another Ukranian military aircraft performing bombing runs?
Mo Maslin was on this plane. He went to my school. There’s a playground down near Scarborough, Perth that’s a memorial to him - it has his sketches imprinted all over it. RIP Mo.
My dad was there")I miss him so much")
I am so sorry for the poor victims of this tragedy. My father was there too but he was a part of the recovery team. It was such a horrifying sight.
Semoga Arwah ditempatkan di kalangan orang yang Beriman,Al-Fatihah, Telah ditetapkan oleh Tuhan, Dimana ajal maut seseorang, Tidak akan cepat sesaat atau terlambat walaupun sesaat, Semoga Cik dan Keluarga Kuat menempuhi Ujian dan Dugaan ini, Semoga Mereka yang Bersalah juga Dikenakan balasan yg setimpal satu hari nanti🤲🤲🤲🥺
Salam takziah
Sorry for your loss..condolensces..
Your dad is in a better place now.
I almost bought the ticket of that plane. If my friend didn't make me to stay a bit longer before the summer break, I would be certainly on that plane.
My work colleague lost his long time best friend, 30+ years of friendship. He made a surprise visit to my work colleague in Amsterdam. It's their last reunion.
Our school lost one of their student too.
They are in the better place now. Now, we can only pray for them.
The truth and justice on this CRIME is actually wide open, but somehow all the powers in this world seems don't bother!
It's because Russia doesn't care.
Considering the US Navy did the exact same thing to an Iranian airliner in the 80s and everyone looked the other way, I'd say in big picture, one airliner full of people doesn't matter much. At least not to those in power.
@@DrForrester87 when CIA trained terrorist bombed cuban flight 455 with children's hockey team aboard, no one gave a shlt either. Bush even pardoned the criminal who did it
@@Marius-ti9es Give us some time to not allow the republicans to elect a war criminal
How is this a CRIME? And why the world powers should bother in other countries, that's what I call a world government
Sending people to the crawling pilot for what?killing him so no one is left alive to tell the story?
Clearly, no lose ends, no survivors. One big dirty game of corruption.
The translation is slightly incorrect, he wasn’t actually alive. And he couldn’t have been according to the physics laws
Most likely it would've been an interrogation if the pilot was alive.
I doubt he was alive as the missile that brought down the plane hit in front of the cockpit
Imagine thinking that a pilot can survive a head to head missile hit
10 years & no justice
Wtf they're just looking to collect and pick up deads people's thing's 😢😢😢
leo Kosova albania Leo kosova Albania indeed and in a disrespectful way. Some loved ones dont have all the stuff back from the deceased loved ones..
The voice in the "background" (radio?) was saying "black box". I think they were looking for the plane's black box aka the recording of its flight patterns, speed, etc...
@@Americansikkunt black box isn't in baggage isn't there with jeans shirts..
leo Kosova albania Leo kosova Albania That baggage = medical supplies. Not passenger's baggage.
Am thing to confim that this was a civil plane not militay and to idinefy the person
"rebels", that's a strange way to say Russian military terrorists.
Nope
@@Itschamiie nope? What's nope?
@@Xparkman30 Russia is not a terrorist.
@@Itschamiie nope
@@Itschamiie liar.