If i drag and drop or if I create the track in the box, I still run out through a Warm Audio WA73EQ (Neve clone) and a Golden Age 2A compressor (LA-2A clone), back into the DAW. I print the audio file with the IK Multimedia tape emulation. It sounds amazing! Nevertheless, I would tell anyone the main goal is to just make great music! The greatest piece of gear is between your ears! Great video!
@@alejandropalazonurtubi3520 I don’t do it through USB. I use insets on the back of the WA-73. But I run the WA-73 into the interface. Does that answer your question?
I digs it. Work with what you have until you can get what you want.$ 2500, I should not need a bunch of extra stuff. And I’ve heard that people have had issues with the Xs phantom power also the Akai cheaper out on components and they have hot jumper wires that can fry the whole unit. Thank you E A Ski. I do not have expensive outboard gear, but I can hear my stuff better. No MPC GANG here, just Good Music Club. (Maschine, Mpc,Ableton and iPad apps)(Presonus Channel strip, DBX stereo compressor, ART V3 tube pre, DBX 286s) I can get a sound. Keep dropping 💎 💎💎s We can hear the passion.
I think you are hitting the nail on the head. Most guys I know making professional music are 100% digital. The sample never leaves the digital realm. The mixes are all done in the box. Any mixer out there can get any sound from these files. They have their plugin chain and can recreate anything. Serban Ghenea has been in the box for ever now. So the MPC to me is more about workflow than sound as sound has been dealt with in the box. I just thought everyone understood this? I think the outcome of all this convertor stuff is that new guys are going to come in and think they need converters and to track everything through outboard gear etc, And then there going to come to same conclusion that we all did 20yrs ago, its not worth it lol. Dealing with latency, lining up drums, no recall, noise, expense etc.. when a kid who puts their head in it can get the same sound as you on an iPad with logic.. nah. Skate to where the puck is not where it was.
Bro you're right. These guys are just standing on their "I have gear" soapbox and not realizing that they're admitting that they don't know how to mix. They aren't depending on skills to get a sound, they're depending on " magical " equipment.
Right all that talk really does is create an itch to spend more money.. when the reality is most in the community have the main piece already... and the secondary realm of this battle with this "sound" talk is... what is the music actually sounding like....? For all these people to already have the DAW and or box... the music sound pretty much the same to ass... why? Everybody is merging to the same metronome... when the reality is "what u eat don't make me shit." If everybody going for the same set up it let's me know every one is copying or making the same music... and when I hear here conversations it's like "but how does that make what I do better." I been doing things my way for over the last 10 yrs within the confines of what i have...and now this is a "thing." When just getting that main piece i.e fl.. or an sp.. mv.. mpc.. was all that mattered once upon a time.... then next what is the musical DNA one comes up with.... none of these conversations really mean nothing if people making the same music... lol
Thanks to the Almighty E-A-Ski for stating the case and standing on his square about it. This brother is the “REAL DEAL”. Much respect to him. Very nice presentation here Bruh. Thanks for posting…🔥💯😎👍🏾
This is a good video bro I do appreciate the conversation. I agree and disagree on some points but i do think we all should be striving to get good sound. How we get there is subjective depending on who you talk to. The best music is music that makes you feel a certain way and I’ve seen people pull this off with a lap top and a MIDI controller.
The way I track em out as stems is simple. I use song mode but I mute everything except one track for each sound in the beat, so what I am saying is if I need just the kick stem I'd mute all other tracks and then export the whole song as a wave but it would just be the kick. Then do that for the snare high hat etc all as wave stems they will line up in the daw you are using separately. Hope that helps someone peace. ✌🏽 😮
Yeah bro u go in song mode and convert it to one sequence which puts everything on one track then u go to that sequence, explode tracks and bounce out that sequence with all its stems And save urself a bunch of time. If u need help dm me here I will show u. I would also suggest naming that sequence title full song so that way uk inside ur mpc what it is
@@chrissmith2492 HAHA and he thought he was helping someone haha. this man was trying to tell someone to run a mile when you could walk next door to borrow some sugar haha
@@Jordanchicity23 He’s talking about audio mixdown vs bouncing straight into daw… it is different.. but there is a easier way which is using the outs in the mixer to bounce each track instead of soloing each track..
Using a modern MPC by tracking to the DAW or bouncing wouldn't make much of difference between these so called modern MPCs have weak converters to began with. They lack the sonics of what the 3000 was known for. You are better of just bouncing them and then run the stems through analog gear and then back into th DAW to phatten up the drums. I got away from MPCS and hardware sequencing all together now that I do everything in Studio One these days. I have a Hybrid setup with 5 hardware sound modules connected to my MOTU MIDI interface that I use in conjunction with my modern soft synths like Omnisphere, Ana, Keyscape, Native Instruments. The best of both worlds hardware and software synths. I use the Atom drum pad controller that replaced my MPC5000 I route the outs of my drums from my DAW I to my analog outboard gear.
Actually the worst mistake on mixes I've made is processing them before recording into the DAW, if you leave it dry or drag and drop it's just easier to go back and make changes
Facts most pro engineers want it dry, so they can do all the processing its also way easier to format with drag and drop. quality still sounds great. 24/96
When I track from my mpc live 2 retro into protools from the analog outputs using 1/4 jacks it sounds way better than dragging and dropping straight into the the daw. That d/a conversion makes a difference that I can hear. It makes my beats sound more cohesive and glued and it doesnt sound sterile anymore.
I find the best way to track is by recording from the MPC software or as a plug-in into the DAW. Maybe with the MPC in vintage mode. This is notably different than just drag and drop BUT also avoids the sound being messed up by subpar outboard gear unless you have a 1073 there which most of us don’t
1) most good sound packs have already been processed with outboard analog gear. 2) if the converters are so bad then why use the 8 outs if the packs have already been processed? The 8 outs have the Digital to analog conversion of the said bad converters. So for someone to say the converters are bad and then in the next sentence ask you why are you not using the outs is beyond comical. 3) exporting to the DAW is a LOSSLESS process meaning there is no conversion happening so the potential for degraded audio is ZERO. 4) BONUS:: you can change/upgrade the converters in your newer MPCs by simply hooking up a class compliant USB audio interface of your choice to the usb connection on the MPC. Once you do that and select the new audio interface in the MPC, the MPC converters are now completely bypassed and the conversion now happens in that audio interface.
Not going to lie, this probably the smartest comment I’ve seen amongst all this “converter” talk lol. MPC’s ARE CLASS COMPLIANT WITH MANY INTERFACES!!! BYPASS THOSE “Bad” CONVERTERS!!!
@@freshestinclass763 I’m using an Audient evo 16 with my force. The sound is very good in this interface and it gives 24 ins and outs counting the 16 adat with 8 mic pres/line/inst. Got it for 500 dollars. Would take this setup any day over a black lion audio mod.
@@gwsound MPC's output @ 16bit/44.1 VS. my Antelope Pure 2 @ 16/44.1 is NO COMPARISON lmao. Yeah i may not be able to "use" a higher sample rate, but why do i need 96khz for tracking an mpc anyways? lol CONVERSION QUALITY is what we're seeking here, let's not get confused.
What you said was common sense. The fact that that sense is not common on TH-cam tells me the bulk of the Online MPC community are hobbiest(for lack of better words). Nothing wrong with that but its nice to know that the industry standards are starting to permiate the commercial producers interest.
So if DJ Quik, Just Blaze, E.A. Ski gave me their drum sounds they already processed through analog gear, compression, eq, etc. I still should run it through more gear on my way to my DAW? Yall act like the MPC degrade the sound once its in the machine. Why should I run it thru more Outboard Gear if 1) I have sample packs that been ran through Outboard Gear and 2) if I ran it through analog gear as I sampled the sound? I can just export my track the new way. No need to run it through more gear on the way into the DAW. You still have to mix the entire song, vocals,etc. in the DAW. At that point its in the DAW, use plugins to finish the mix. Even Dr.Dre was using plugins to get his mix right
Why should you argue about s&^^ that you dont agree???? Just do it the way you want. D@mn!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You must not be confident. Editing your post. I dont even know wtf it originally said. You keep editing that bs
Now This Is The EDUCATIONAL Type of Tutorials That I Was Looking For... I Have The Live 2 and I Have FL 21 That I Export My Stems Into To Mixdown/Master Yet I Also Have A Behringer X32 Digital Mixer... But I Had No Idea About The DA Converter Importance Until EA SKI Brought It Up... Then The Controversy Made Mostly Everyone To Loose Focus on What You're Trying To Explain... Which Is "Most Of Us Producer's Are Spending Our Monies On Upgrading To Newer Gear Rather Than The GEAR/Accessories That We Really Need. Thanks For Your Guidance. 👍🏽👍🏽❗
Even if you don’t have a bunch of outboard gear, if you have a decent interface, tracking it out will lead to a better stereo image even before you touch anything
@@JeronimoFury No converter is exactly the same as the next, so a stereo signal going out of separate D/A converters (MPC L+R) and then into separate A/D converters (your interface L+R) creates a slight disparity between your left and right signals. The disparity is not noticeable in itself, but that difference makes the stereo image noticeably wider, and gives much more separation.
@@TheDougSpot Provide a real world example. Otherwise, this conversation is as boring as the plethora of You Tube videos of gripes about the MPCXs converters without any examples to back up their claims. But I know you will not do it just like I know the EA Ski's and other producers making these claims won't show and prove.
@@JeronimoFury What are you even going on about? Do you really know nothing about audio? This is common knowledge, it’s not something I just made up. Look at any plugin manufacturer that does mixing board emulations. (Waves NLS, Brainworx SSL and Neve) To achieve a wider stereo field, they make sure to emulate each individual channel because they are all slightly different. If you really want to check what I’m saying instead of being a dick, split a stereo track to left and right, nudge one side forward a millisecond or two, then check the phase with a metering plugin.
My first MPC was a MPC 2000 and then I got a 2500, I hated fiddling with Midi & SMPTE Timecode. Your MPC, hooked up to two or three external synth modules, then tracking all of your drums, plus the synth modules into you DAW was was tedious. It always took 2 or 3 passes. I'm convinced this is the reason why people used two tracks so often. Unless I'm going to tape, I'm never going back, I love this new workflow.
WTF do you think folks did with reel to reel Studers??? They striped a d@mn track for each Studer machine. Then transferred all the individual instruments. MPC 2000 Classic has 8 outputs. That means you can transfer 8 instruments on a single pass. Most legacy keyboards have at least 4 individual outputs. Thats 4 mono instruments or 2 stereo instruments on a single pass. If you have 24 tracks (16 in MPC 2000 Classic and 8 in a legacy keyboard). Thats just two motherf*&&& passes. You only have to hear your weak af song twice to transfer all the music. How tf is that tedious??? You obviously didnt know wtf you were doing. Keep export your s*&& digitally if you want. Just stop talking s7^^ because you didnt know wtf you were doing. Edit that bs again.
I prefer tracking my mpc or hardware synths into my DAW instead of drag and drop. To be honest, this is probably because I’m an Old Head and that is what I’ve been doing since the early 90’s. I have fortune of having 16 analog inputs which allows me to have all my synths and samplers connected. This makes my tracking take less time because every input is setup and I don’t have to switch. The most important thing is to do what works best for you to be creative and get the sound in your head out for others to enjoy.
I find that work flow extremely slow esp when you have to mute and solo every part. One of reasons why I moved away from hardware sequencing all together. The DAW is so much more powerful than any standalone hardware made today. I have been sequencing on hardware for well over a decade and finally made the change to move back to DAW sequencing given my MPC5000 was already broken for the past three year's. What makes the DAW experience more superior to an onboard sequencer on hardware is flexibility, and Editing. I own 5 hardware sound modules with all the MIDI connected to my MOTU MIDI interface and the audio outs going into my patchbay. My patchbay is connected to my MOTU 828es AVB interface with multiple i/O channels. In Studio One I can open up a project and start recording my midi tracks and peice them together into an entire song structure in with in minutes. It takes to long to construct a beat into a song format verse, hook, pre chorus bridge.. with all the tediously menus and buttons on a tiny as screen that can take 30 mins to an hour to do. In the DAW I can record all of my sound modules audio outputs all at once with one take each in their own separate channel as multi track STEMs and the beat is done. I can properly name each MIDI track the instrument name or patch I used. You can't do that on hardware. When you save a MIDI file on hardware all you get is just the midi notes recorded but no info on what patch or program you use. You basically have to take pictures of the hardware screen in order to know what instrument patch you used slowing down the process of recalling an instrument. You can't name your tracks with proper names on hardware when you are saving your project either due to the lack of qwerty keyboard. No search feature or nothing.
Good on you in that MPC new world. I think I want that one but not sure yet. MPC1000 4x OUT - > ZED24 -> 2CH Audio interface -> Reaper. It would be nice to do more than stereo but man I'm an old head and Im having tons of fun.
Unless you have a high quality board and high quality ad/da converters… keep it in the box. Every time you convert the sound you can lose quality just as easy if you aren’t using very high quality equipment .
Yo brother! I thought that was you. This Drinks! Lol. Im obviously going to sub 😂 long time no see Fam. Glad to see you’re doing well and still doing your thing 👍🏾
I feel that I don't need any outboard gear to make a decent sounding beat or song, my MPC's especially the MPC X and the Key 61, they have enough plug-ins to do a professional job on my songs, but then again everybody has their own set of eardrums and their own opinion on what sounds good and what doesn't sound good, sound is like food some people like it some people don't.
i think i have the simplest mpc/daw set up ever, i love it. i have 6 outs coming out of my live, into my clarett 8pre which is connected to my apollo x4 using ADAT. i then have a midi din cable running from my mpc to clarett. now when i use my daw (LUNA) to record, all i have to do is press record in my daw and then hit the play button and all 6 sounds get recorded at the same time. i dont have to nudge things over or anything.. i simply make the beat and record in 8 or 4 bar lengths. and if i want to use outboard gear which i do i just set up my daisy chain
bruh...why is this my setup too? lol. Except I don't have a clarett 8pre I have the Behringer ADA8 channel box. And I use Luna. I'm using network MIDI (ethernet cable) as I don't have any MIDI din inputs on my Apollo or Behringer. I have been dragging and dropping unfortunately because of the delay trying to use midi sync, and I don't want to have manually nudge or move clips. I haven't figured out the offset delay yet. Imma try it again this week.
@@TracksAllDay that’s what’s up lol if you keep getting latency I would strongly recommend replacing the behringer with something that has the midi I/O too, it’s truly a breeze. Been using this for a year and never have any problems
if you have a bunch of outboard gear and processes, get a sound card with the iOS where you can plug everything up and run your outboard gear just like a plug-in
anyone that has a recording console and is using a dAw as tape is basically the same as dragon and drop it because if you drag drop inside your dog, you’re gonna send it from your daw back into the console do the same mix you would do if you were tracking it out through the eight out and send it back into the door for final print
I’d like to definitely open up some dialogue with you about those api 505. I had them in my cart but decided to wait due to lack of reviews in the internet. That must have been you that left the review on Sweetwater I read when looking those units up.
I’d rather export out the mpc explode all the tracks. Vs tracking into my Apollo. For a couple reasons. 1. I’m not relying on any compressor made for the mpc’s on a record so I’m going to be mixing in the box. 2. I’d rather save my inputs, first which I do have 14, for my keyboards, my dj mixer, Rhodes, 808. 3. I don’t have and external pre amps.
Subbed. Ooohh good video. For me (because we like to talk about ourselves lolllll), drag and drop. I did put a new audio interface to MPCX via usb called the MOTU M4 because it is better preamps and converters. I wanted to upgrade these and after 2.10 in 2021? When we can usb the audio interface. All the things I sample(I just sample sample sample) goes thru the MOTU preamps and then after I do the arrangements sections, drag and drop to my DAW to arrange. I bounce in 24 bit 48k. Yeahh it sounds better. Tw the Ea ski video about converters is the Blacklion audio interface installed to MPCX.
I export sounding great and I mix in the mpc with stock plugins now if I was going to mix outboard then I’ll record the outs. Mpc 3000 clips because is a 18 bit system that’s where the crispy comes from just ask akai to release a 18 bit machine
Yup. I'm not on the MPC but know dang well it's about coming out those cables and hittin some outboard on the way in! It's on the person and their budget to decided what that's gonna be. I can't imagine spending the money on a Live or X and transferring the files LMAO no different than software at that point imo
Tell that to Mick Guzauski, Sir Greg Wells, Jaceyn Joshua & a lot others. They all mix in the box and they are some of the most sort after mix engineers in the music industry. The #1 Mastering engineer uses plugins to Master, he no longer uses Outboard Gear. It's about them EARS 👂🏽
I think the MPC workflow or sequencing MIDI on hardware is a bit dated given that conventional computers are way more powerful than any standalone hardware today. Latency is no longer an issue either these days esp if you have the right interface. I just moved off of hardware sequencing all together and went Hybrid. I threw my MPC 5000 away in the trash that was an unreliable disasterist piece of junk i ever owned. It sat broke for 3 years before finally ditching it. Bi switched out my workstation keyboards with all rack mound sound modules versions of them now that I own 5 different sound moduels as my legacy hardware Rompler Synthesizer collection. I own pretty much ever sound module used on all 90s and early 2000s Hip Hop and R&B. I now use Studio One Pro as my sequencer as I can mix and match my modern soft synths like Omnisphere with my hardware synths with in Studio One using the best of both worlds. My Presonus Atom drum pad controller replaced My MPC5000 and I now downsized to two Roland Midi controllers. I use all MOTU hardware for my interfacing as I have my hardware synths connected to my MOTU MIDI interface while my 828ES I use as my main Studio interface. I have near zero latency. I also own quite a bit of analog gear so that I can run my mixes through.
@@JeronimoFury The *Troll* returns that follows me around on every video. Your comment means nothing as 90% of the music industry has shifted to the DAW today. Timbaland, Pharrell, Scott Storch, J.R Rotem, B. Cox and may more too many to list all use a DAW rather you like it your not. Truth be told. Times have changed time to keep up with times as the industry evolves.
@@eman0828 All famous producers with their best work behind them. Creating good music with what inspires you is the key. Using a DAW in itself doesn't create good music. Any intelligent person knows that....
You'd be better off owning real instruments and having real musician friends who go to real professional studios with real recording and mixing engineers.
@@andremiller1566 Workstation keyboards today are for gigging musicians. Not alot of Producer's buy those anymore these days. I use to be a gigging musician myself as a former Gospel musician in the church that played the keyboards back on 2010. I see no need of a MOTIF or Fantom keyboard for production in the studio these hese why I have I have the Fantom-XR and a motif rack es. I have my MOTIF ES6 keyboard in the closet that's been retired that I once used for the church and production.
Great Love, I think the conversation are great, but it is just an Overkill IMOP Phat and Warm is Great, you do not here Dark Child, Q. Jones, Teddy Riley, Babyface, JJ/ Lewis, Sweat, BM Cox, B Mcknight and Y Guru these producers know about sound. They use the MPC's. They have not even addressed the MPC converter issue. Tracking and using your gear full capabilities, You touch on something that is the truth. 😊❤
The vast majority of those Producer's abandoned the MPC including Scott Storch. Pretty much everyone is in the DAW these days now that music industry shifted. Making beats on Standalone hardware is now a dated workflow in this era. I don't recall Quincy Jones using an MPC. He used one of those Roger Linn drum machines but it wasn't Akai.
I find it kind of funny that everybody talks about making their sound thick and loud and punchy, and nobody talks about making a song with nice chords and some syncopated beats and counterpoints and musical stuff. Music is more than just loud and crunchy Sound, if you want crunchy sounds eat a bowl of cornflakes, but if you want to make good music, create a groove a Vibe a feeling a chord structure with harmonies that's music, not hissy crunchy 1980s 12 bit bullshit.
I can send you Off The Wall dry stems and have you mix and master it yourself. I can guarantee you that you will f&&&^ up that whole album. IDGAF how great a song is. If it hasnt been mixed and master properly, it will not sound great, BAMF!!!!!
If i drag and drop or if I create the track in the box, I still run out through a Warm Audio WA73EQ (Neve clone) and a Golden Age 2A compressor (LA-2A clone), back into the DAW. I print the audio file with the IK Multimedia tape emulation. It sounds amazing! Nevertheless, I would tell anyone the main goal is to just make great music! The greatest piece of gear is between your ears! Great video!
That’s what I’m talking about!!
Ey man, can i ask you how you conect your compresor to your computer? trough USB?
@@alejandropalazonurtubi3520 I don’t do it through USB. I use insets on the back of the WA-73. But I run the WA-73 into the interface. Does that answer your question?
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I digs it. Work with what you have until you can get what you want.$ 2500, I should not need a bunch of extra stuff. And I’ve heard that people have had issues with the Xs phantom power also the Akai cheaper out on components and they have hot jumper wires that can fry the whole unit. Thank you E A Ski. I do not have expensive outboard gear, but I can hear my stuff better. No MPC GANG here, just Good Music Club. (Maschine, Mpc,Ableton and iPad apps)(Presonus Channel strip, DBX stereo compressor, ART V3 tube pre, DBX 286s) I can get a sound. Keep dropping 💎 💎💎s We can hear the passion.
I think you are hitting the nail on the head. Most guys I know making professional music are 100% digital. The sample never leaves the digital realm. The mixes are all done in the box. Any mixer out there can get any sound from these files. They have their plugin chain and can recreate anything. Serban Ghenea has been in the box for ever now.
So the MPC to me is more about workflow than sound as sound has been dealt with in the box. I just thought everyone understood this?
I think the outcome of all this convertor stuff is that new guys are going to come in and think they need converters and to track everything through outboard gear etc, And then there going to come to same conclusion that we all did 20yrs ago, its not worth it lol.
Dealing with latency, lining up drums, no recall, noise, expense etc.. when a kid who puts their head in it can get the same sound as you on an iPad with logic.. nah. Skate to where the puck is not where it was.
Bro you're right. These guys are just standing on their "I have gear" soapbox and not realizing that they're admitting that they don't know how to mix. They aren't depending on skills to get a sound, they're depending on " magical " equipment.
Right all that talk really does is create an itch to spend more money.. when the reality is most in the community have the main piece already... and the secondary realm of this battle with this "sound" talk is... what is the music actually sounding like....? For all these people to already have the DAW and or box... the music sound pretty much the same to ass... why? Everybody is merging to the same metronome... when the reality is "what u eat don't make me shit." If everybody going for the same set up it let's me know every one is copying or making the same music... and when I hear here conversations it's like "but how does that make what I do better." I been doing things my way for over the last 10 yrs within the confines of what i have...and now this is a "thing." When just getting that main piece i.e fl.. or an sp.. mv.. mpc.. was all that mattered once upon a time.... then next what is the musical DNA one comes up with.... none of these conversations really mean nothing if people making the same music... lol
Thanks to the Almighty E-A-Ski for stating the case and standing on his square about it. This brother is the “REAL DEAL”. Much respect to him. Very nice presentation here Bruh. Thanks for posting…🔥💯😎👍🏾
This is a good video bro I do appreciate the conversation. I agree and disagree on some points but i do think we all should be striving to get good sound. How we get there is subjective depending on who you talk to. The best music is music that makes you feel a certain way and I’ve seen people pull this off with a lap top and a MIDI controller.
Good post. Dialog and communication on what we want as producers or hobbyists to keep us motivated to create is a necessity...👍🏾💪🏾
I have had my MPC X SE for a week ----- I think it is great. To me, there is certainly nothing else that is as good.
The way I track em out as stems is simple. I use song mode but I mute everything except one track for each sound in the beat, so what I am saying is if I need just the kick stem I'd mute all other tracks and then export the whole song as a wave but it would just be the kick. Then do that for the snare high hat etc all as wave stems they will line up in the daw you are using separately. Hope that helps someone peace. ✌🏽 😮
What up bro u don’t have to do one by one. You can go explode a sequence or in song mode explode the entire song
Yeah bro u go in song mode and convert it to one sequence which puts everything on one track then u go to that sequence, explode tracks and bounce out that sequence with all its stems And save urself a bunch of time. If u need help dm me here I will show u. I would also suggest naming that sequence title full song so that way uk inside ur mpc what it is
@@chrissmith2492 HAHA and he thought he was helping someone haha. this man was trying to tell someone to run a mile when you could walk next door to borrow some sugar haha
@@Jordanchicity23 He’s talking about audio mixdown vs bouncing straight into daw… it is different.. but there is a easier way which is using the outs in the mixer to bounce each track instead of soloing each track..
Using a modern MPC by tracking to the DAW or bouncing wouldn't make much of difference between these so called modern MPCs have weak converters to began with. They lack the sonics of what the 3000 was known for. You are better of just bouncing them and then run the stems through analog gear and then back into th DAW to phatten up the drums. I got away from MPCS and hardware sequencing all together now that I do everything in Studio One these days. I have a Hybrid setup with 5 hardware sound modules connected to my MOTU MIDI interface that I use in conjunction with my modern soft synths like Omnisphere, Ana, Keyscape, Native Instruments. The best of both worlds hardware and software synths. I use the Atom drum pad controller that replaced my MPC5000 I route the outs of my drums from my DAW I to my analog outboard gear.
Actually the worst mistake on mixes I've made is processing them before recording into the DAW, if you leave it dry or drag and drop it's just easier to go back and make changes
Facts most pro engineers want it dry, so they can do all the processing its also way easier to format with drag and drop. quality still sounds great. 24/96
Exactly
It’s good to do both! Print the one with effects and print the one without effects, use the one with effects as a reference point
When I track from my mpc live 2 retro into protools from the analog outputs using 1/4 jacks it sounds way better than dragging and dropping straight into the the daw. That d/a conversion makes a difference that I can hear. It makes my beats sound more cohesive and glued and it doesnt sound sterile anymore.
I find the best way to track is by recording from the MPC software or as a plug-in into the DAW. Maybe with the MPC in vintage mode. This is notably different than just drag and drop BUT also avoids the sound being messed up by subpar outboard gear unless you have a 1073 there which most of us don’t
1) most good sound packs have already been processed with outboard analog gear. 2) if the converters are so bad then why use the 8 outs if the packs have already been processed? The 8 outs have the Digital to analog conversion of the said bad converters. So for someone to say the converters are bad and then in the next sentence ask you why are you not using the outs is beyond comical. 3) exporting to the DAW is a LOSSLESS process meaning there is no conversion happening so the potential for degraded audio is ZERO. 4) BONUS:: you can change/upgrade the converters in your newer MPCs by simply hooking up a class compliant USB audio interface of your choice to the usb connection on the MPC. Once you do that and select the new audio interface in the MPC, the MPC converters are now completely bypassed and the conversion now happens in that audio interface.
What's a decent starter interface?
Not going to lie, this probably the smartest comment I’ve seen amongst all this “converter” talk lol. MPC’s ARE CLASS COMPLIANT WITH MANY INTERFACES!!! BYPASS THOSE “Bad” CONVERTERS!!!
Well, the converter is pushed to 16bit 44.1kHz by the mpc, which means you are not using the full potential of your interface.
@@freshestinclass763 I’m using an Audient evo 16 with my force. The sound is very good in this interface and it gives 24 ins and outs counting the 16 adat with 8 mic pres/line/inst. Got it for 500 dollars. Would take this setup any day over a black lion audio mod.
@@gwsound MPC's output @ 16bit/44.1 VS. my Antelope Pure 2 @ 16/44.1 is NO COMPARISON lmao. Yeah i may not be able to "use" a higher sample rate, but why do i need 96khz for tracking an mpc anyways? lol CONVERSION QUALITY is what we're seeking here, let's not get confused.
What you said was common sense. The fact that that sense is not common on TH-cam tells me the bulk of the Online MPC community are hobbiest(for lack of better words). Nothing wrong with that but its nice to know that the industry standards are starting to permiate the commercial producers interest.
So if DJ Quik, Just Blaze, E.A. Ski gave me their drum sounds they already processed through analog gear, compression, eq, etc. I still should run it through more gear on my way to my DAW? Yall act like the MPC degrade the sound once its in the machine. Why should I run it thru more Outboard Gear if 1) I have sample packs that been ran through Outboard Gear and 2) if I ran it through analog gear as I sampled the sound? I can just export my track the new way. No need to run it through more gear on the way into the DAW. You still have to mix the entire song, vocals,etc. in the DAW. At that point its in the DAW, use plugins to finish the mix. Even Dr.Dre was using plugins to get his mix right
Why should you argue about s&^^ that you dont agree???? Just do it the way you want. D@mn!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You must not be confident. Editing your post. I dont even know wtf it originally said. You keep editing that bs
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Even if you don’t have a bunch of outboard gear, if you have a decent interface, tracking it out will lead to a better stereo image even before you touch anything
How so?
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No converter is exactly the same as the next, so a stereo signal going out of separate D/A converters (MPC L+R) and then into separate A/D converters (your interface L+R) creates a slight disparity between your left and right signals.
The disparity is not noticeable in itself, but that difference makes the stereo image noticeably wider, and gives much more separation.
@@TheDougSpot
Provide a real world example. Otherwise, this conversation is as boring as the plethora of You Tube videos of gripes about the MPCXs converters without any examples to back up their claims.
But I know you will not do it just like I know the EA Ski's and other producers making these claims won't show and prove.
@@JeronimoFury
What are you even going on about?
Do you really know nothing about audio?
This is common knowledge, it’s not something I just made up.
Look at any plugin manufacturer that does mixing board emulations. (Waves NLS, Brainworx SSL and Neve)
To achieve a wider stereo field, they make sure to emulate each individual channel because they are all slightly different.
If you really want to check what I’m saying instead of being a dick, split a stereo track to left and right, nudge one side forward a millisecond or two, then check the phase with a metering plugin.
My first MPC was a MPC 2000 and then I got a 2500, I hated fiddling with Midi & SMPTE Timecode. Your MPC, hooked up to two or three external synth modules, then tracking all of your drums, plus the synth modules into you DAW was was tedious. It always took 2 or 3 passes. I'm convinced this is the reason why people used two tracks so often.
Unless I'm going to tape, I'm never going back, I love this new workflow.
WTF do you think folks did with reel to reel Studers??? They striped a d@mn track for each Studer machine. Then transferred all the individual instruments. MPC 2000 Classic has 8 outputs. That means you can transfer 8 instruments on a single pass. Most legacy keyboards have at least 4 individual outputs. Thats 4 mono instruments or 2 stereo instruments on a single pass. If you have 24 tracks (16 in MPC 2000 Classic and 8 in a legacy keyboard). Thats just two motherf*&&& passes. You only have to hear your weak af song twice to transfer all the music. How tf is that tedious??? You obviously didnt know wtf you were doing. Keep export your s*&& digitally if you want. Just stop talking s7^^ because you didnt know wtf you were doing. Edit that bs again.
I prefer tracking my mpc or hardware synths into my DAW instead of drag and drop. To be honest, this is probably because I’m an Old Head and that is what I’ve been doing since the early 90’s. I have fortune of having 16 analog inputs which allows me to have all my synths and samplers connected. This makes my tracking take less time because every input is setup and I don’t have to switch.
The most important thing is to do what works best for you to be creative and get the sound in your head out for others to enjoy.
I find that work flow extremely slow esp when you have to mute and solo every part. One of reasons why I moved away from hardware sequencing all together. The DAW is so much more powerful than any standalone hardware made today. I have been sequencing on hardware for well over a decade and finally made the change to move back to DAW sequencing given my MPC5000 was already broken for the past three year's. What makes the DAW experience more superior to an onboard sequencer on hardware is flexibility, and Editing. I own 5 hardware sound modules with all the MIDI connected to my MOTU MIDI interface and the audio outs going into my patchbay. My patchbay is connected to my MOTU 828es AVB interface with multiple i/O channels. In Studio One I can open up a project and start recording my midi tracks and peice them together into an entire song structure in with in minutes. It takes to long to construct a beat into a song format verse, hook, pre chorus bridge.. with all the tediously menus and buttons on a tiny as screen that can take 30 mins to an hour to do. In the DAW I can record all of my sound modules audio outputs all at once with one take each in their own separate channel as multi track STEMs and the beat is done. I can properly name each MIDI track the instrument name or patch I used. You can't do that on hardware. When you save a MIDI file on hardware all you get is just the midi notes recorded but no info on what patch or program you use. You basically have to take pictures of the hardware screen in order to know what instrument patch you used slowing down the process of recalling an instrument. You can't name your tracks with proper names on hardware when you are saving your project either due to the lack of qwerty keyboard. No search feature or nothing.
Good on you in that MPC new world. I think I want that one but not sure yet.
MPC1000 4x OUT - > ZED24 -> 2CH Audio interface -> Reaper. It would be nice to do more than stereo but man I'm an old head and Im having tons of fun.
I'm not with that point n click ish. haha
Unless you have a high quality board and high quality ad/da converters… keep it in the box. Every time you convert the sound you can lose quality just as easy if you aren’t using very high quality equipment .
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I feel that I don't need any outboard gear to make a decent sounding beat or song, my MPC's especially the MPC X and the Key 61, they have enough plug-ins to do a professional job on my songs, but then again everybody has their own set of eardrums and their own opinion on what sounds good and what doesn't sound good, sound is like food some people like it some people don't.
FACTS FACTS!!!!!! TRACK IT OUT! thats why certian beats hit harder
i think i have the simplest mpc/daw set up ever, i love it. i have 6 outs coming out of my live, into my clarett 8pre which is connected to my apollo x4 using ADAT. i then have a midi din cable running from my mpc to clarett. now when i use my daw (LUNA) to record, all i have to do is press record in my daw and then hit the play button and all 6 sounds get recorded at the same time. i dont have to nudge things over or anything.. i simply make the beat and record in 8 or 4 bar lengths. and if i want to use outboard gear which i do i just set up my daisy chain
I need that video. I have that 8 pre & the X plus lunchbox, can you help
@@tyronesellers382 yea for sure, you got IG?
bruh...why is this my setup too? lol. Except I don't have a clarett 8pre I have the Behringer ADA8 channel box. And I use Luna. I'm using network MIDI (ethernet cable) as I don't have any MIDI din inputs on my Apollo or Behringer. I have been dragging and dropping unfortunately because of the delay trying to use midi sync, and I don't want to have manually nudge or move clips. I haven't figured out the offset delay yet. Imma try it again this week.
@@TracksAllDay that’s what’s up lol if you keep getting latency I would strongly recommend replacing the behringer with something that has the midi I/O too, it’s truly a breeze. Been using this for a year and never have any problems
I track out to a Korg D3200 digital multitrack recorder. 12 inputs/12 tracks recorded at once!
if you have a bunch of outboard gear and processes, get a sound card with the iOS where you can plug everything up and run your outboard gear just like a plug-in
anyone that has a recording console and is using a dAw as tape is basically the same as dragon and drop it because if you drag drop inside your dog, you’re gonna send it from your daw back into the console do the same mix you would do if you were tracking it out through the eight out and send it back into the door for final print
I’d like to definitely open up some dialogue with you about those api 505. I had them in my cart but decided to wait due to lack of reviews in the internet. That must have been you that left the review on Sweetwater I read when looking those units up.
would it be possible to show what you walking about for the new mpc users? I have an idea but I think I got lost
Salute speaking Factz my guy
D what camera are you using for you TH-cam videos?
This is a great point gave me a lot to think about
I’d rather export out the mpc explode all the tracks. Vs tracking into my Apollo. For a couple reasons. 1. I’m not relying on any compressor made for the mpc’s on a record so I’m going to be mixing in the box. 2. I’d rather save my inputs, first which I do have 14, for my keyboards, my dj mixer, Rhodes, 808. 3. I don’t have and external pre amps.
Good video, what you think about a mpc live 8 outs to a mackie profx12v3, into a ssl six than to an apollo twin x..onto luna
Well said my Brother
The new MPC’s don’t sound any different than software, so what’s the point?
This is the way
Very well said! Keep educating! 👊🏾
Subbed. Ooohh good video. For me (because we like to talk about ourselves lolllll), drag and drop. I did put a new audio interface to MPCX via usb called the MOTU M4 because it is better preamps and converters. I wanted to upgrade these and after 2.10 in 2021? When we can usb the audio interface. All the things I sample(I just sample sample sample) goes thru the MOTU preamps and then after I do the arrangements sections, drag and drop to my DAW to arrange. I bounce in 24 bit 48k. Yeahh it sounds better. Tw the Ea ski video about converters is the Blacklion audio interface installed to MPCX.
How to record trackout into a daw with new mpc. What gear i need
Its simply lo fi vs hi fi. Classic cars vs modern. Whats better? Depends.
Great video bro!
What about MPC 3 software, anybody got the beta, and what is your opinion?
So if I have a Mpc one I can’t track out nothing cause it doesn’t have any additional outs😢
You can use the two outs it already has. No need for additional outs.
good discussion thanx.
I export sounding great and I mix in the mpc with stock plugins now if I was going to mix outboard then I’ll record the outs. Mpc 3000 clips because is a 18 bit system that’s where the crispy comes from just ask akai to release a 18 bit machine
Yup. I'm not on the MPC but know dang well it's about coming out those cables and hittin some outboard on the way in! It's on the person and their budget to decided what that's gonna be. I can't imagine spending the money on a Live or X and transferring the files LMAO no different than software at that point imo
Thin = mixing in the box.
Tell that to Mick Guzauski, Sir Greg Wells, Jaceyn Joshua & a lot others. They all mix in the box and they are some of the most sort after mix engineers in the music industry. The #1 Mastering engineer uses plugins to Master, he no longer uses Outboard Gear. It's about them EARS 👂🏽
@@DaMixWizard All their stuff sounds thin.
@@380stroker u must be a teenager
@@DaMixWizard I'm probably old enough to be your dad. lol.
@383stroker I'm 44, so you're at least 62 plus?
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I think some can’t afford the mock XL se so that’s why people don’t wanna care about the XL
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I think the MPC workflow or sequencing MIDI on hardware is a bit dated given that conventional computers are way more powerful than any standalone hardware today. Latency is no longer an issue either these days esp if you have the right interface. I just moved off of hardware sequencing all together and went Hybrid. I threw my MPC 5000 away in the trash that was an unreliable disasterist piece of junk i ever owned. It sat broke for 3 years before finally ditching it. Bi switched out my workstation keyboards with all rack mound sound modules versions of them now that I own 5 different sound moduels as my legacy hardware Rompler Synthesizer collection. I own pretty much ever sound module used on all 90s and early 2000s Hip Hop and R&B. I now use Studio One Pro as my sequencer as I can mix and match my modern soft synths like Omnisphere with my hardware synths with in Studio One using the best of both worlds. My Presonus Atom drum pad controller replaced My MPC5000 and I now downsized to two Roland Midi controllers. I use all MOTU hardware for my interfacing as I have my hardware synths connected to my MOTU MIDI interface while my 828ES I use as my main Studio interface. I have near zero latency. I also own quite a bit of analog gear so that I can run my mixes through.
Its a bit dated for people looking for it to be dated. The MPC workflow is unmatched. This is why they are still being used after 35 years.
@@JeronimoFury The *Troll* returns that follows me around on every video. Your comment means nothing as 90% of the music industry has shifted to the DAW today. Timbaland, Pharrell, Scott Storch, J.R Rotem, B. Cox and may more too many to list all use a DAW rather you like it your not. Truth be told. Times have changed time to keep up with times as the industry evolves.
@@eman0828
All famous producers with their best work behind them.
Creating good music with what inspires you is the key. Using a DAW in itself doesn't create good music. Any intelligent person knows that....
You'd be better off owning real instruments and having real musician friends who go to real professional studios with real recording and mixing engineers.
@@andremiller1566 Workstation keyboards today are for gigging musicians. Not alot of Producer's buy those anymore these days. I use to be a gigging musician myself as a former Gospel musician in the church that played the keyboards back on 2010. I see no need of a MOTIF or Fantom keyboard for production in the studio these hese why I have I have the Fantom-XR and a motif rack es. I have my MOTIF ES6 keyboard in the closet that's been retired that I once used for the church and production.
Great Love, I think the conversation are great, but it is just an Overkill IMOP Phat and Warm is Great, you do not here Dark Child, Q. Jones, Teddy Riley, Babyface, JJ/ Lewis, Sweat, BM Cox, B Mcknight and Y Guru these producers know about sound. They use the MPC's. They have not even addressed the MPC converter issue. Tracking and using your gear full capabilities, You touch on something that is the truth. 😊❤
The vast majority of those Producer's abandoned the MPC including Scott Storch. Pretty much everyone is in the DAW these days now that music industry shifted. Making beats on Standalone hardware is now a dated workflow in this era. I don't recall Quincy Jones using an MPC. He used one of those Roger Linn drum machines but it wasn't Akai.
I want to build me an audio rack to get the best sound.
May Yahweh bless E A sky
I think I don't want to own an akai product
Use a stick and a bucket. People throw money in their hat.
Once you experience producing using an MPC, you'll like it. Different vibe workflow and it's an inspiring one.
I find it kind of funny that everybody talks about making their sound thick and loud and punchy, and nobody talks about making a song with nice chords and some syncopated beats and counterpoints and musical stuff. Music is more than just loud and crunchy Sound, if you want crunchy sounds eat a bowl of cornflakes, but if you want to make good music, create a groove a Vibe a feeling a chord structure with harmonies that's music, not hissy crunchy 1980s 12 bit bullshit.
I can send you Off The Wall dry stems and have you mix and master it yourself. I can guarantee you that you will f&&&^ up that whole album. IDGAF how great a song is. If it hasnt been mixed and master properly, it will not sound great, BAMF!!!!!
May Yahweh bless E A ski