Finally, A Sense Of Humour! || Leela vs Stockfish || TCEC Superfinal Season 17
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Leela Chess ZERO vs Stockfish
TCEC Superfinals GAME 38
English opening (A10)
1. c4 Nc6 2. d4 e5 3. d5 Bb4+ 4. Nd2 Nce7 5. Qa4 a5 6. a3 Bxd2+ 7. Bxd2 Nf6 8. Nf3 e4 9. Nd4 O-O 10. e3 d6 11. Bc3 Ng6 12. Qc2 Qe7 13. O-O-O Bd7 14. Nb5 Ne5 15. Kb1 Rfc8 16. h3 h6 17. Rg1 c5 18. a4 Bxb5 19. axb5 a4 20. Be2 Nd3 21. Bxd3 exd3 22. Rxd3 Re8 23. Be1 Nd7 24. Ra3 Qe4 25. Qxe4 Rxe4 26. f3 Ree8 27. Kc2 Kf8 28. Kd3 Ne5+ 29. Kc3 Nd7 30. Bd2 h5 31. h4 Nb6 32. Kd3 Ke7 33. e4 f6 34. Re1 Kd7 35. f4 Kc7 36. Bc3 Kd7 37. Raa1 Re7 38. Re3 Rae8 39. Rae1 Nc8 40. g3 Nb6 41. Ba5 Nc8 42. Bc3 Kc7 43. R3e2 Rf7 44. Ra1 Kb8 45. Rxa4 b6 46. b4 cxb4 47. Rxb4 Kb7 48. Rb1 Ne7 49. Ra1 g6 50. Bd4 Nc8 51. Re3 Rg8 52. Bc3 Kc7 53. e5 fxe5
54. fxe5 Kb7 55. exd6 Nxd6 56. Bb4 Nc8 57. Rae1 g5 58. hxg5 Rxg5 59. Rh1 Kc7 60. Bc3 Rff5 61. Rh4 Nd6 62. Rf4 Kd7 63. Bb4 Nb7 64. Rxf5 Rxf5 65. Re6 Nd8 66. Rxb6 Ke8 67. Ke4 Rf2 68. Bc5 Rb2 69. Bd4 Rh2 70. Bf6 Rc2 71. Bxd8 Kxd8 72. Kd3 Rc1 73. Rh6 Kc7 74. Rxh5 Kd6 75. c5+ Kxc5 76. d6+ Kb4 77. Kd2 Rc8 78. d7
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and once again, stockfish is able to find the recommended move by the engine
Who would have thought
the best part is that every move is an engine move
AGENT KARLOS
What quote??
@@shreenidhishd6263 it's not a quote
AGENT KARLOS
Whoops sorry bro
This was meant to another comment
@@shreenidhishd6263 oh LOL
The first moves aren't engine moves, they are preselected by humans.
Stockfish must have had a hangover during this game, someone filled his aquarium with brandy instead of water.
Ah, I see what you did with the title Agad. In the last Leela vs Stockfish video you said: "Engines have no sense of humour."
See? I'm an excellent subscriber.
i think that Leela is just taunting stockfish nearing the end. almost saying like "nah, it doesnt matter how i blunder now, even by not playing the best possible move, I could still pawn your ass".
@@viiviizzz It would be awesome if Leela *actually* had that level of awareness internally. Unfortunately, it *almost* certainly has nothing close to that...
Or that is what it wants us to believe...
🌋
Neural networks don't tend to optimise already winning scenarios, because the feedback shows that just about every move is winning anyway.
earlier iterations of leela would simplify the position by throwing away most of its pawns leaving only a king and queen, because it already knows how to win with a king and queen. it doesn't need to optimise for positions with more pawns.
17:04 "stockfish would continue cheking you from behind" hard laughs here
and
"then you would realize you have no idea what your doing" even more laughs XD
Agreed. LMAO
Yes laughs and laughs and more laughs. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! SO FREAKING FUNNY OMG. LOLOLOLOL XD XD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
@@dakotatiger2009 Gee bro you okay?
@@youneke Hoping he re-reads his comment after seeing mine so he realizes how childish, cringey and edgy he sounds.
@@dakotatiger2009 Lol I know your humor is good
6:10 “Yeah, that was good”
i fucking scream at there
It's funny because it's true i do it all the time.
"...improving the position as much as possible before you decided on any *rash decisions, like pushing a pawn.* " That really got to me.
Pawn don't go backwards, every push is forever
@@ulyssesvercosa6196 I like that one a lot.
0:00 Hello everyone
1:30 Every engine for themselves
2:03 Completely new game
3:18 6:35 Captures captures 10:31 (...and captures!)
5:32 6:41 Bust open the position
7:28 Give you a couple of seconds
7:31 15:30 Nice sip of water
9:40 Suspicious looking rook
18:18 It was in this position
6:20 Yea, that was good
Hahaha u guys r assholes
I think would be fun if you include the nice diagonals also😅
Oh hell yea, bust open the position was added :D
@@daturadubs7423 How are they assholes? Please explain child.
15:35 me: Pin that knight, make it useless
Agad: *does that exactly*
Me: YEEEESSSSSS FINALLY!!!!
But you don't have a sense of humour (?)
@@agusspp6551 Sacrifices has to be made, and here, I shall sac my humor
It’s almost a rite of passage when you finally are able to solve a move haha
I just played what Leela did. No point thinking too hard on a won game.
This “sorry about that” phrase is something I might want to use to annoy my family. Thanks for the great idea, Agad. Lol
5:46 the invisible check 😂😂
The predefined moves were only 1. c4 Nc6, Leela played 2. d4 on its own
But would it have played d4 if 1. Nf3!
Hey agadmator! really love this video! Leela trolls sf at the end.
SF guys don't allow matches without opening books because last time they played without opening books, leela crushed sf 56-44 final score with 16 wins to 4 wins (100 games)
Also playing from a set position allows us to understand new lines, check the strength of opening theory etc.
Thank you for the uploads.
I was about to make a joke about Unemployment
but it still needs some work
too soon
Go ahead, tell it. I want to hear it.
i think they use predefined openings to avoid same opening played again and again by giving them a heads up. After all they are ultimately computer programs.
Yes, exactly. Moreover, by setting up many different openings, including strange ones, they test how bad are some openings, and how Engines handle all sorts of different positions that arise from gambit lines etc.
If both would play 100 games out of Ruy Lopez (for example) they could possibly end with 100 draws and we would learn nothing out of such duel.
I really enjoy seeing these engine games where they actually play out the lost games further than humans do.
I believe they were both tweaked to do so - otherwise they'd draw boringly often. It's a parameter, 'contempt', at least for stockfish. Like, how much respect do you have for the opponent? With high contempt, you'll play on, expecting that the opponent make dumb moves.
@@russianbotfarm3036 I really like that addition. But then, it also makes me wonder why humans don't do the same, especially when the human opponent, even a GM is far more likely to make a mistake that takes a won position to a drawn one.
I suppose it's pride....resigning is slightly better than being checkmated?
@@pullt yeah, also, maybe - “I’m smart enough to see that I couldn’t win”. Edit: actually, I know that something like it was added to Leela, too - it would offer draws to opponents that its programmers knew were weaker.
@@russianbotfarm3036 that's kinda funny. Of course, that also gives Leela (or the architects) a chance to downplay draws with "well, that was a pity draw" Then, if the opponent claims otherwise, just ask if they'd rather we tune her back to death mode.
I really like the gamesmanship angles these computer matches provide since in top level human vs human competition, everyone has to act with utmost decorum and even unintended slights are seen as scandal.
@@pullt > pity draw
> death mode
Ha ha ha ha ha very nice ;)
Depending on how interested you are, you can find the forums for at least Stockfish; I assume Leela’s are open, too.
Beautiful human like game... Really enjoyed the game... Thank you Agadmator for showing us the game.
I really enjoy the variety on the Channel, seeing a game played by super engines the one day and a game from the 19. Century the other.... Love it🤗
Aaaah . . . The good stuff!
How long does it take for the full study of the game before presenting it to us Agadmator?? Just curious
Just now sorry about that
Maybe about 1-1.5 hours
The Pro Bro Longer than that I presume. The alternate lines and emphasized positions need to be prepared and written out so that the recording goes smoothly.
90 min is probably a fair low-end estimation, but on the high-end it’s probably significantly longer than that (especially for the saga videos).
In a recent interview with "Quoth the Raven" Antonio said his prep time is generally 2 hours per episode, give or take 30 minutes. But generally it's 2 hours, as he studies the computer evaluation to offer 'what might have been' under various scenarios.
Obviously loves his work, as we do his without a doubt.
Here's that interview: quoththeraven.podbean.com/e/quoth-the-raven-179-agadmator/
Plot twist, he does it live.
What i think is; without the given openings, white engine will set one starting move as the best, and the black engine will set one response move as the best. And the same games will be played over and over again.
Leela would learn, Stockfish wouldn't
@@milesgreenwood5036 Leela doesnt learn from the games being played live.
@@adithyabenoy it would still learn in-between games
@@milesgreenwood5036 They dont update the network in between games. It's the same network throughout, no changes allowed.
@@adithyabenoy Sure it doesn't 😘
#suggestion
This is regarding the. When you show the move in which the engines played differently please mention the moves played by both engines when color reversed(you did it in this video, but not in earlier ones).
Idk why but it’s satisfying to see Stockfish get crushed
because its giving you hope
See, I'm the opposite. I like Stockfish and hate watching it lose, but I have no idea why.
fredocarroll i love the name stockfish lol, my son is named after it, also my cat
An idea for making it interesting to play without predefined openings, would be to let them play 100 games and add a rule that they cannot use the same move order for the first three pieces more than once as white.
at 4:16 with the captured pawn, it seems like there are some options, like capturing on a5 and defending the knight, or even just capturing the knight on e5 first, then dealing with the stranded knight. thoughts anyone?
I must say I love watching stockfish being destroyed, it has destroyed me too many times lol
Yes, I'd be interested to know what openings they'd choose if it was completely up to the engines. Always e4? d4? Nf3?
When I saw the title, I thought about a crazy endgame with weird underpromotions and a mate with three knights or something like that ^^
2:20 During a moment I thought about a good blunder here: Bxa5 (punished by b6 or course) ^^
I had the three "pause the video" moves but for the first one, I was helped by the fact that I thought about playing b3 first (instead of f3) with the idea that axb3 is impossible because the rook on a8 is undefended.
Apart from the reason stated at the beginning, if they didn't predefine the openings, most games would be similar or exactly the same.
Main reason they used predefined openings is that, left to their own devices, engines would just constantly play Ruy Lopez & French
What variations of the french do they play?
Like I assume advanced is popular but I'm curious about winnawer or classical
Stockfish needs alpha zero to teach it when and how to give pawns for initiative
..stockfish would continue checking you from behind and you'd realize you have no idea what you are doing.
Thank you sir, time well spent!
we should all acknowledge that after a curtain point both players understand who will win and they then continue playing for us humans to enjoy. Cuz stockfish actually works like dr. Strange on Avengers movie where he forcies all the possible scenarios.
Can anybody reply how time control works in engine chess.
Good question tbh, I'd like to know more about this too.
Crazy how leela found a solution to even reduce the position parameters which appears like its sense of humour so it can evaluate moves faster
Tcec once did a bonus match where the engines picked their own openings and Leela won by far more than usual
I just love Leela (and I know you do too)....It has the most unique and aesthetic style of play which far surpasses other chess engines.....
It seems at times that it has feelings for in some games, we can see Leela trolling too!!!!!
Amamzing!!!!!
The quote above the board is proof that I am not a schemer
No it's not
Eccentric Horse11 A schemer would never admit that they are
The Perfect Game - Leela vs. Stockfish without predefined openings, at one month per move time control!
Did you know agadmator didn’t make a video today? GHOST DID AND YOU CAN HEAR THEM 2:33 !!!!! AHHHHHHH love ya :3
probably the reason why Leela swapped off the pieces rather than winning a piece is because it was the quickest way to force a winning position on the 6 piece Tablebase (one of the sanctioned ways of ending the game) You see this more clearly at the end of game 36 where Leela ends the game by putting her rook en pris. My favourite game so far was game 35. A classic sicilian dragon with all the classic features that any aficionado of the dragon would recognise but all put together in an amazing game
I think Stockfish should have the possibility to use theory book if the teams wants and let Leela play freely from begin
11:10- the subtitles say"Rook to eat you now"🙂
THE GOOD STUFF!
Before the neural network engines the games without predefined openings would be the exact same every single time especially in the early years of engine games. It is finally feasible with NN engines to have no predefined openings perhaps.
0:57 I really want to see a game white vs white in evans gambit
Pleaseee bring more of leela!!!
sure it's nice to see what they play in certain openings etc, but it would also be nice to see what they actually play from start position.
Thanks for the enterteinement
They will play whatever you tell them to play😂😂😂, agadmator to Leela and stockfish.
Leela seems to have a real sort of sentiment!
#suggestion One of Peter Svidler's winning games in the Pepe Cuenca Invitational on chess24. Always good to see Peter get a W!
Hello Antonio! I have to thank you because a while ago I studied the opening Leela and Stockfish played in this game, and this is the first time I have seen it on this channel, which was very nice to watch! Another opening I hope to one day see is the Polugaevsky Variation of the Kan Sicilian, named after the Soviet player Lev Polugaevsky who first used it in the First Capablanca Memorial to win an entertaining game against Jose Luis Alvarez del Monte in 1962. I would be happy if you would check it out :) #suggestion
7:23 but what about b3 instead? to save the pawn on c4?
Lc0 is brutal playing the opening!
i really enjoy Leela vs stockfish, may be they use predefined opening because they want to know which opening counters the other opening most, but still !! i alao want them to play on their own at least once
16:08 makes my day 😂
We need some agadmaterinos, preferably a skipperino
How come you couldn’t grab the black pawn on a5 with the bishop at the beginning?
It will be attacked by pawn and you can't move it since it pinned. Hence you'll lose the bishop (or queen)
Then the bishop would have been pinned from the rook (since the queen is on A4)and then black can just push the B7 pawn to B6 so you loose the bishop
Oh yeah I didn’t see that thanks a lot for clarifying ❤️❤️
I personally think its MUCH more interesting to let the computers choose the openings. That way maybe they could pioneer some brand new openings for us to use!
They did all ready when it was AlphaZero Vs Stockfish 9.... it was the english opening for stockfish on every game and AlphaZero was countering it. In the end it was like 7 wins for Alpha Zero with no losses and 93 draws... So boring.
The way they are doing it now is much more interesting as it shows, which openings are viable and which openings are busted.
Plus it also gives each engine a chance to win or lose evenly on each kind of opening they are forced to play. Etc.
If you let them play whatever they wanted, wouldn't they just do the same thing every time? You could play a max of two games.
Not necessarily, there are quite a few opening moves that stock fish for example evaluates as equally good. Plus stock fish is programmed with a repertoire of openings classed as “book moves” because you can’t really class any first move as “the best”. A lot of games would be repetitive but there would be some variation.
You know you are in trouble when a video including AI's is named "Finally, a sence of humour" 🤣
I'm not up on these engine matches. Are Leela and Stockfish learning as they play? If Leela played e6 in the previous game, does Stockfish take note and incorporate the move into his calculations for this game?
Ordinary people can help strengthen stockfish by running 'fishtest', which checks proposed changes for their worth.
Nice to see engines trolling each other. No one is feeling sorry for Stockfish after getting beat down on Lichess so often.
If they didn't use predetermined openings, and no randomization at move 1, what would stop an engine from always playing the same game?
It might make Capablanca vs Alekhine 1927 match look interesting.
Show the ruy lopez game where leela was black(predetermined e4) I believe game 31 was the one
Crazy leela is able to beat stockfish... you covered leela when she was like a 1500
86 Godhand she played millions and millions of games so it doesn't really come as a surprise
@@rokanza2293 that is easily said afterwards
Rokanza no, its just cool to see the jump in level
Philipp Frögel yeah, but I for example wasn't surprised at all by her win... it was obvious to me that it is highly possible,so..
86 Godhand Agree
Do we know if Leela or Stockfish are coded using neural networks? I am something of a programmer myself and I find them fascinating!
Dimitris Kaltsas Leela is, Stockfish isn't.
14:39 instead of Kc7 Rf3+?
if no rook moved back the pawn g3 will be lost
or just Nc5+ double attack,so the bishop will be removed...
I imagine that if you just ask the engine to choose an opening itself, some engines will choose the same opening every game (the opening it thinks is best), which doesn't sound very exciting.
6:19 Jeah that was good. Me in every game ist play.
interesting hair style :D
Tintin
9:58 Neural Networks really like their space and Leela still has all its pawns!
"...and have a nice sip of my water" 7:30
It's weird to see Stockfish blundering a pawn like this.
He has finally joined our club.
It wasn't a blunder. Agadmator oversimplifies when presenting chess games. Kindly replay the game with the original engines evaluation at the tcec-chess.com and you will see the whole picture
@@johnnyhyperborean1035 makes sense, I should have suspected it.
Without error there can be no brilliancy..
without any rainy day, their is no good sunny day
I find it amazing that I somehow knew both two moves. I guess I'm a funny guy.
Isn't the reason they have to have predefined openings that otherwise stockfish would open every single game when it was white with e4 for example?
Antonio today is Garry Kasparov birthday so I suggest you make a video or a game about him
All Hail, Leela the merciful!!
Stockfish joined the humour.kkkkk.lol.tht got me laughing.
Leela was just giving away pieces. Nice..
16:48 The humor persists because Black plays on even though black is 4 pawns down.
Is there a King's Gambit game in the series
can you show a game alpha zero ws lela
That's Exactly me! 17:00 🙈
guessing this'll be a Leela takes the longest & closest route to win game '.'
Why there is no alpha zero in the event?
1k views in 12 mins 😇
I just love the way Agad evaluates every move. It's great to learn chess here especially for amatures
Thanks 🙂
If there arent predefined openings, all the engines would go for the Berlin Defence
hey Antonio won't you show us a game by Gary Kasparov on his birthday #suggestion
Isn't it obvious why don't they let battle it out from the starting position? They would produce the same two drawn game every time
Why not b3 at 7:24? You also get to capture a4 in exchange for c4
AGADMATOR!!!
5:44 I agree Kd3 is weird check
C5 at 4:52 is a weird move... I wonder if there are alternatives for SF...