Turn ANY Office PC Into a AWESOME Gaming PC!
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It has been a while since we’ve taken an older SFF Dell Optiplex and installed a GPU inside to make it a gaming PC! Today, we’re trying something new: using a slightly newer 8th Gen Optiplex and installing an Intel Arc A310 to get a 1080P CHEAP gaming experience!
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Important note because it wasn't mentioned in the video, resizeable bar is ON with this PC, it auto enabled after installing the GPU drivers. It is important that this is turned on for optimal performance.
Did y’all have to modify the bios to get rebar? I didn’t think these systems had rebar except the really new ones, cheers
I'd be curious how you got Re-Bar enabled on this system. Even with the latest BIOS, I'm not seeing it as an option in the these systems with an 8th or 9th Gen CPU. I can really only get it to show up one 80 series systems (10th Gen) and newer without flashing a modified BIOS.
Yeah I cant find rebar even with the bios updated on the optiplex, how did you guys enable it.
How was rebar enabled with such a basic dell bios? I highly doubt that was an option in bios. Even if rebar was enabled, remember you still have to enable it for each game with nvidia profile inspector.
If you're going to do this, you need to inform people that installing an Arc GPU in a system that can't enable Re-Bar, they're going to lose about 15% performance, or more, in games. It's worth noting that Dell only puts the x1 slot on the 30 class Optiplex SFF systems, so just buy the 50 or 70 class systems. They still have the x16 slot next to the power supply, but they have an open ended x4 slot next to the CPU that you can use to install a dual slot GPU. Yes, there's a marginal drop in performance, certainly not on the level of not being able to enable Re-Bar and you'll end up with a lot more performance than pretty much any single slot card and you'll probably save money too.
I was just thinking about this, how about using this with like a 4th gen i7? Thanks
@@Jamie71q what kind of configuration did run? a laptop i assume
Then what gpu should you get with rebar
10th gen or newer. Zen 2 or newer. By the time you spend the money for a newer workstation, you might as well just do a budget used parts build with a Ryzen 3600 and B450 MB. I think you'd be looking at around $150 for the platform, including 16GB of RAM. $40 Q30L, $40 Thermaltake PSU, $35 SSD, $30 worth of Thermalright ARGB fans, $20 cooler plus the $100 GPU and you are looking at a better performing machine for around $320.
AMD RDNA 2 and 3 GPUs see some performance penalty without reBAR - maybe 5% on average but it is nowhere near the performance you are leaving on the table running an ARC GPU without reBAR - more like 20%.
Would be better off buying a used 1650 than the A310 if you are building on a platform that doesn't support reBAR. You would have to overclock the piss out of the A310 to match the average benchmark score for the 1650 even with reBAR support, based on a quick check of Time Spy results.
RX6600 used prices are starting to dip below the $100 mark for some sales on eBay. Even if you don't have reBAR support, it will get about 155% of the benchmark average for the 1650. IDK who they made the A310 for but it is as bad as the RX 6400.
Re-bar is running on this system, auto enabled after driver installs. But yes we should be clear about that
If it hasn't been said, there is the AMD RX6400 which is the same single-slot super thin card, they are in the same price range and not relying on Intel's good-but-in-progress drivers.
Everytime I see a Peter Griffin in-game, I think "yooo it's ToastyBros!!" 😂😂
haha it cant be me im using bulsey
This is just perfect for people who has a budget and can't afford a gaming PC. I really appreciate you guys for helping us out.
im glad you spoke about this graphics card I have seen a lot of channels talking about turning office pcs in gaming pcs and they dont use this gpu
Yeah, because it is an objectively bad deal. You lose 20% performance by not having reBAR support. Even with reBAR support, you have to overclock the piss out of it to match the benchmark average for the GTX 1650. You can get a used 1650 for around $60-70 these days. It doesn't need reBAR support to get full performance.
Don't forget that the gpu has AV1 codec support, this is very important.
the funniest part of of the video is when they misidentified a clone trooper as a storm trooper.
You have to disable to iGPU to be able to get access to the arc control panel because the iGPUs below 10th gen are unsupported and can't work with the GPU (one of the features ARC cards have). You don't even have to do this through bios just device manager.
I bought my mom an OptiPlex 3070 SFF for Christmas to replace her old pc that wasn't Windows 11 compatible. The OptiPlex came with a i5-9500, 8GB DDR4, and a 256GB M.2 NVME drive. I upgraded the RAM to 16GB and through in a 1TB SSD for storage, leaving the M.2 drive for the OS. Total cost for the Optiplex and upgrades was $250 which is an absolute bargain considering it would have cost me $100-$200 more to build it from scratch with the same specs. I didn't have to worry about a GPU because she just uses the PC for regular mom stuff like doing taxes, reading emails, typing documents, downloading malware...etc lol.
I bought a similar optiplex and was searching for this video from you guys a few weeks ago. I was unsure about this card so I bought an Rx 6400 for $130 on eBay.
You chose wisely. The RX6400 really isn't a great GPU and the A310 is markedly worse. However, an even better choice would have been a used RX 6600. I am quite sure you overpaid for the GPU you bought.
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Your not wrong BUT many of these old Optiplexs have terrible powersupplys and few spare cables. So you need a single slot card that only needs power off the motherboard
You did good!
You did good bud. It's hard to find a decent single slot card and the 6400 ain't bad
@@Lurch-Bot sorry I didn't mention its an sff OptiPlex. it has no extra cables for power and the rx 6600 is physically too big.
OMG i was waiting for this GPU to be reviewd
Bro, no way you guys make this video, as I have a a310 showing up from amazon today, the optiplex I have also has a i5 8500 with 16gb of ram, thank you guys for the vid!
I've been waiting for somebody to toss this card in an OptiPlex 3060! I would've loved seeing a few more AAA titles, but good info all around. Thanks for the effort!
Have a look at some Lenovo SFF computers: Some have 4 low profile expansion slots. It's better for upgrade.
I literally just did this with my Dell Optiplex 7050 SFF (almost identical to the one in this video). I ordered a dual-slot, low-profile RTX 3050 that slots into the bifurcated PCIe 3.0 x4 slot. The card shouldn't saturate even PCIe 3.0 x4 and so it works amazingly. Much better than the A310. Was considering it along with the RX 6400 before settling on the dual-slot RTX 3050.
Some tips: there's an m.2 slot of NVMe drives hidden under the DVD and storage drive cage. You can also buy a Wi-Fi and BT add-in card made specifically for this model.
Some challenges: Dell doesn't include a front fan or even a system fan HEADER on this motherboard. I am going to be adding a y-splitter and an 80mm Noctua Redux in the front and adapt from the CPU fan header. We will see how this works. Dell's proprietary e-waste at it again.
Where you able to fit that 3050? How is performance doing? I just got the RX6400 and plenty happy with its performance, but I'm kind of worried of whenever I want to upgrade that GPU.
@@kennethmorales84 Yes, the RTX 3050 fits in the open ended PCIe 3.0 x4 slot, but being a very compact form factor system, the fans are jammed right up against the power supply. Everything fits no issues, but I had to get an 80mm fan with a SATA to 4-pin fan adapter / controller to keep it cool. Overall, I would not recommend the RTX 3050 or any dual-slot card in this Optiplex 7050 SFF system, the RX 6400 is your best bet here.
@@seancasey8707 Thanks for the update man, it seems you had to do a proper mod with that 80mm fan there. I got the 3080 SFF, it has a nice i5-10500, but It seems like I'll be married to that RX6400 until, if so, someone releases a more powerful Single Slot GPU. Just Optiplex owners struggle lol
@@kennethmorales84 If you want more details, let me know, it's an easy addition to add the fan and controller thanks to some Noctua kit. The good news is that since you are using a newer platform, you should be running that RX 6400 on PCIe 4.0, which will let it stretch its legs. The RTX 3050 LP is an excellent option (and not much more expensive) for slightly larger SFF builds, just not this one.
And there are some nice gpu and cpu utilization, without bottleneck, wow 👍
nice pc unit on the sff form factor on it w/ low profile vcard! More to come!
I'd like to see how this set up compares to the same system with the low profile 6400 since that's the only other single slot low profile card I'm aware of.
Eta prime did a video where he took the cooler of this card and put it on an a380 and it seemed to work fine
should do a video on how to add rebar to unssuported PC, considering these A310 need it that much.
Great review and good enough for miniclip and fb farming games.. tight 😂😂
Ive got an Optiplex 7020 that I tossed in an NVIDIA Quado K1200. Works really well for most of the games I pal... until I finish my game rig.
Thanks class video 😊😊
Only issue comes in the aspect of REBAR support (Intel needs rebar to perform most efficient, most optiplex or old systems dont support rebar)
Also, I cant find any benchmarks for minecraft with this card, can you either benchmark / estimate the performance?
Sounds like a bad idea since Arc really needs rebar
I tried a couple of these on an older ASUS H110I-Plus motherboard I had laying around and it didn't work at all. All I got was corrupted video output, so YMMV depending how old the build is.
Would that graphics card fit in an Dell Optiplex 3020 sff?
Its a good day when toasty bros upload
Used both a310 and a380 nether of the worked right with out the resizable bar support so I just sent them back and got me a 3050 LP
How's this compared to APU like 5600G? Worth the upgrade?
@ToastyBros I need some advice. I have an optiplex 7040 sff but it has an i3-6100 running windows 11. should i get the intel arc a310 or upgrade the cpu first? on my mobo, could i get the i5 8th gen? thanks again for the vid
I know you guys do mostly gaming pcs and laptops. But I was wondering if you could try the lenvo legion go. I had seen it and thought if it was as good as a entry level gaming pc since its around that price range.
If you have an 8th or 9th gen MT Optiplex the RX 6600M off aliexpress for $150 can't be beat for value. Total TDP of 100W which is fine to use a SATA to power it. (You have 20W to spare before you start to overdraw the SATA) and it fits perfectly in the case. Even works with stock PSU. It's 2x the performance of the A380 mentioned here for 1.5x the price. (Note you need a MT not a SFF and you need the 6600M of aliexpress the regular RX 6600 is not the same)
The HP EliteDesks still have 4 slots in their half height PCs. Though they are priced a little higher.
Also their HP Z-lines if you find the right one. I got a Z2 SFF G5 for $200 for my GF: 16GB + i5-10500.
Update #1: I'm frustrated with my Z2. Somehow my ProDesk G2 can read an Arc 380 and the 3050 6GB but the Z2 can't. My only assumption is because is the Z2 can't read cards that are PCIe 4.0 somehow.
Update #2: To solve this problem, go into the BIOS and disable these two functions in (Advanced) -> Slot Settings -> Disable: Option ROM Download & Resizable Bar (Sorry Arc A380)
Thanks I was looking at optiplex but may go with HP EliteDesk 800 G5 i7-9700. Would the rtx 3050 low profile work with that? 250 watts power supply vs typically 200 watts in these optiplex seems pretty good
@@lisafan6365 Idk, I'd probably run the specs through PC Partpicker to at least check the TDP on all your desired parts if you wanna be safe. I do that all the time when charting these kinds of builds. The HP Z2 I got is gonna have an Arc A380 in there
I am starting to like the Sparkle brand.
love the vids
If you don't care about how it looks, you can buy a pcie extension and can fit something like an rx 6600. Gpu would be outside the case but, in my opinion, worth it.
How did you guys enable rebar on this pc, i have a dell optiplex 7060 sff and was looking to upgrade to an arc a380, idk if rebar will be supported tho
The ARC is nice for the size however, it's noisy and the fan idle isn't great
how does the motherboard support the graphocs card?
getting components from the last 4-5 years seems to be a path allowing for win11 support and the better hardware support potential here in canada the cost to equip is a limitation for building sellable pc's and the overall smaller market interest -to me it's crafting not just matching parts and flipping something
i have a 5800x trying pair it with a750 titan card done all the steps still having troulbes
What's the performance difference between RX 6400 to a Intel Arc A310?
I got a pc years ago that I cheaper out on, maybe I can do this with it?!
Is this worth it for a optiplex 5000 sff?
I love your videos.. Can you please next time test "Rust pc " for a graphics card that won't get super hot..
Will this work with a dell studio xps sx8100-1986nbc?? I think some parts are different maybe all😅😅
Yo my pc keeps crashing, it says “no signal” I keep having to install the gpu to my computer can anyone help me amd rx570 msi cpu
I'd like to see this with the 6gb 3050 low profile. Nice to only be slot power
Why didn't you try modifying the BIOS with REBARD? It should make the Arc way better and not hard for someone with knowledge.
Will this work well with the 3060 MT ?
Just got the RX 6400 for $139 on Amazon and installed it in a 3080 SFF. I Think performance is good for the price.
I screw out my power supply in my Sff build and do a open PC stays cooler as well
wait isnt old pc dont support rebar....? which will impact performance?
Anyone know if 200w PSU is enough for the a310?
Why not go with the Intel Arc A310 ELF? You get better ports for only $10. Height issues?
The question for using an Arc gpu in one of those 8th gen Optiplex PC's, is do they support ReBar and Above 4G decoding?
Don’t believe so
@@trailduster6bt It wouldn't think so, seeing as that wasn't something really being talked about back then. I tried doing a BIOS mod on my 6th gen Opti, but the method of doing the mod doesn't appear to work on Dell BIOS files unfortunately.
Hey guys awesome video! I do see an use case on this card in one of these SFF Builds but i see a problem here. Did you guys turn REBAR on for the GPU? because if not you guys completely destroyed that gpus performance, it should perform like a 1050Ti or a 1650 in most cases but what I'm seeing here is worse than a 1050Ti or 1650.
Not to mention the 6400 can also be found for 110$ 120$ on Ebay but has PCIE 4 Limitations so yeah.
Arc A310 is worse than A380
I took an old asus build, it has an fx 8300 it had 8gb 1600mhz ddr3 upgraded to 16gb 1866mhz. And it had a gtx 750 2gb upgraded to an rx 580 2048sp. And it had a 300w psu but i also upgraded that for the gpu, it now has a 750w. The pc cost me $80, and the ram was $40, the gpu was $80, and the psu was $140. But since i had sold my old computer for $75 i basically paid $5 for a working computer without the upgrades. So all said and done my computer was sub 300 canadian dollars
Do you need a new power supply for the GPU, Like Five Hundred watts for it
I just found your channel a week or so ago. I really love your content so far! One thing that drives me nuts though is calling the expansion slots "Lanes" instead of referring to them as "Slot" like "single slot", "double slot", ect... Just a thought since computers have PCIe lanes. Can be a little confusing for some. Keep up the great work!
this GPU is equal in core count to the Tiger Lake mobile graphics released 3 years ago... while I realize it has some use maybe in an office PC as a display adapter, it really is not meant for gaming. Think of it more like a GT 1010 than a GTX 1050 ti.
Do a comparison between rx 6400 LP and the Intel Arc 310. What GPU is better?
6400 by a decent amount
Ugh totally if they just made the dang a380 single slot we'd be golden
Nice vid
The lack of rebar on the 8th gen is really going to hurt an Arc card.
ive been in process of building opti 3020 But cant afford rx 6400 or 1650 LP or A310 so having to consider older GPU but then realized none the older will cut it so decided the project of refurbishing old, is not actually worth it. They should make them cheaper to subsidize repurposing older tech to save the environment.
I managed to fit a 2 fan gtx 960 4gb in one of these
Most important part: does the motherboard support rebar
I rather use a Ryzen 780M over this card.
Is an A310 more powerful than an RX6400 from AMD? It's also single slot. Edit: They did say the RX6400 is better near the end of the video.
perfect for a 900p monitor and some emulation
This is a (very small) niche product.
im going to get it
Not a bad combo, but on newegg they have an arc A380 that is low profile single slot. That could be a slightly better combo.
It is single slot but the cooler is too thick to fit in these kinds of systems
@@ToastyBros ah, that makes sense. The cooler did seem kinda thick. I do agree that they should have the pcie slot slightly higher so you could do this combo.
Can it run helldivers 2
I find the whole talk about "shock absorbent SSD" weird. SSDs have no moving parts. The most movement might do is disconnect the cables from it.
The gpu :✖️
The pc :✔️
I heard that this card doesn work or work well with old CPU s
How does this card compare to the rx6400 besides just the price?
This card has AV1 decoding. The 6400 doesn't.
The swift 105 rx 6400 is the same size and has much more power than this cut down arc a380.
Do you need resizable bar to run this GPU?
Don't need it but you lose 10-15 percent performance
@@manuelhernandez2017 I feel like I’d rather wait for another low profile gpu. NVIDIA will probably drop a 4050 LP that’ll do much better for around $200 which is double this card
Why didn't that 8th gen Optiplex already have a harddrive? Are your ebay finds coming with missing items? Or did it come with an unusable amount like 128GB? Pretty much all the Amazon refurbs have 16GB and SSD, the newer ones even 32GB and NVMe but I imagine the ebay risk, or even SOP, is that the good stuff gets yanked out before it leaves the office.
I dare you to use this PC as your workstation.
dell 7050 has the slot up top
Dont Arc gpu need resize bar to run good?
Yes, this system did have it on
Alright so basically this GPU would be no good for my SFF HP office PC from 2013. If I list its specs, can anyone recommend what I can get for it to make it more game-ready? I already put an SSD in it a few years ago, it has a 1TB HDD for storage, a 2GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 730 Low-Profile GPU, an Intel Core i7 4770 CPU. I've had this for a few years now but it can't really run a lot of games well with what it has and I've never built a PC but I've been considering saving a grand to try to put together a badass one. But can anything be done for what I have now?
In my opinion, you are much better off saving up and building your own PC than trying to salvage a prebuilt. The proprietary parts and other limitations just aren't worth the headache to work around.
@@freudia Yeah that's what I'm thinking too, especially if even the Toasty Bros are saying that even these easy office PCs builds aren't the easiest, best choice anymore.
There are also hundreds or thousands of pokemon rom hacks you can play on this kind of hardware aswell
Airbus should so something about the intel arc card names like A310 and the others
no, because you will not confuse a arc gpu with a commercial jet and buy one thinking it was cheap, not the same country of origin, not the same market, not the same product
perhaps as a joke, but is not good as that tbh
Toasy manicures going on right there. 😂
How is the a310 compared to a rx6400.
horrible, is a joke, buy the amd or the nvidoa option
None of the things referred to as "lanes" in this video are actually called "lanes"
This graphics card is not for gaming. It's a nice option for video transcoding on a Plex or Jellyfin server, paired with something like an AM4 CPU.
Was just thinking this would be great for my dedicated recording PC where the lack of reBAR support isn't much of an issue. It is a cheap way to upgrade to AV1 hardware encoding. That's why they exist, not for gaming, where you'd be way better off with a GTX 1650.
put it next to a 4090 for scale. 😂
Should i rather get a rx 580 or a intel arc a310 ? for a gaimg build
RX580 would be more consistent, especially if you don't have ReBar. As an A770 owner, there's still some driver issues with certain games, as well as performance not being as expected
@@p_mcg thank you but since this message i have found a better deal and now ask which should i choose between a rx 580 and a gt 1070 , i have done research but would like reasurance that im making the right choice ( buying it through ebay )
@@GhostWarriorZa Definitely GTX 1070. The RX580 would be more comparable to the GTX 1060
@@p_mcg thanks for the reassurance
@@GhostWarriorZa you're welcome
Most people with this setup won’t have a high refresh monitor, so those studders in Fortnite won’t happen. Even if you did have a high refresh monitor, you can limit fps to a lower frame rate to eliminate the studders from high cpu utilization.
8th / 9th gen Lenovo Thinkcentre PCs (m720, m920, P330) have the x16 slot next to the CPU.
EDIT: Re-bar being non-existent on anything lower than 10th or 11th gen diminishes performance which is kind of a downer.
The A310 doesn't look great in benchmarks even with reBAR support. The GTX 1650 is a noticeably better performer. Some of the ARC offerings are quite attractive on a price/performance basis if you have reBAR support but not this one. You're losing about 20% performance without reBAR.
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Yeah optiplex wont be good until 12th gen optiplex’s become cheap or until some 6-8GB single slot cards come out.