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Kieran in Part 1: "Yay! I get battle you! Haha!" Kieran in Part 2: "THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL STOP ME FROM DESTROYING YOU AND LEAVING YOU DOWN IN THE DEPTHS WHERE I WAS IN KITAKAMI, NOTHING WILL STOP ME!!!!!!" Kieran in Epilogue: "I'm sorry about what happened back then..."
I love how he goes from holding his pokéball close, then showing it off with a hopeful gleam in his eye, to immediately showing his pokéball without any life in his eyes whatsoever. All of the joy is gone. It’s like he almost doesn’t care about his Pokémon anymore. All he cares about is having Ogerpon. And he needs to get stronger to do that.
Why do I have the feeling that this generation decided to "flip the script" and turn us, the protagonists, into the main villains of the story ? Is it trendy now for many games to impose the Eren Yeager phenomenon ?
I just kinda wish they had the "rival who slowly grows more angry towards you as the story progresses" as part of a main games story and not a dlc thing
“There are two kinds of angry people in this world: explosive and implosive. Explosive is the kind of individual you see screaming at the cashier for not taking their coupons. Implosive is the cashier who remains quiet day after day and finally shoots everyone in the store. Kieran’s the cashier.”
I just now realized this: One of Kieran's most prominent team members is Yanma/Yanmega. And what is Yanmega's Pokedex category? The *Ogre* Darner Pokemon.
Personally think this particular battle theme, while good, is overshadowed by most of the other battle themes in the DLC. ...His final battle theme, on the other hand...
Call me stupid but i only just noticed the ticking noise in the background for most of this song. I guess its meant to symbolize how Kieran’s sanity was literally a ticking time bomb near the end of the DLC
Dude, I just listen to it over or to try to find that ticking out. I finally noticed it got with that revelation. This thing now reminds me of those old timers I used to have in elementary school. The music was really goofy but all of them they had the ticking in the background remind you this is still a timer his theme just now reminds me of that.
@@zach6800I agree. I think it’s just the beat too. It sounds like the normal “this theme is Japanese inspired” sound that was used for both SwSh and SV first DLC’s
I really like the smidge of foreshadowing this song has. Its noticeably less bombastic than Carmine's battle theme and is honestly kind of goofy, which is appropriate given Kieran's more introverted personality and initially friendly demeanour, but the relatively subtle violins give it an almost sinister feel, which really becomes apparent the more he goes off the deep end and compliments his second battle theme, where the violins take centre stage and all the silliness is gone. He's not having Ogerpon though, no matter how much his battle theme slaps. The totally real divorce court of the Dreaded Den decided that I have custody, I'm taking the hecking kid.
I like how his theme is still serious sounding....but with the instruments making it sound innocent...that was really cool foreshadowing from their part Edit: I wonder if this theme's going to make a return, now that we've reconciled....his second and third theme will get overshadowed if that happens, which is sad Edit 2: they ended up making his second battle theme the official one which I really really like... I miss this theme tho
Oh boy a new friend! I sure hope he doesn’t have any underlying issues prior to us meeting him. I sure hope his family doesn’t force us to betray his trust. I sure hope his idol doesn’t spit in the face of his dream after he risks his reputation to help her. I sure hope all of this doesn’t compound into him finally snapping and using that anger to become the champion of a league with a competitive level team potentially in the lvl 90s. I sure hope he doesn’t try to murder me on sight when I go to visit him in less than a month. I both feel so bad for this boy and am absolutely terrified of him.
Spelling errors corrected, it would be: This game/DLC has by far the best characters ever introduced in Pokémon. Kieran has got to be one of, if not the best character arcs. EDIT: I also completely agree, even though I don’t have the DLC yet.
This music… I didn’t focus on his soundtrack at first but later on it just hit me. It’s not like some of the other ones, it’s just, it’s something you can’t describe. Anyways DLC spoilers: I think Kieran didn’t just get mad at us because we betrayed his trust, but because he also saw us as something he lost. Example: the day we went to his house with him to meet his and Carmine’s grandparents we said we were his friend. He seemed to be a really shy boy with no friends, kind of like Penny when we met her. But unlike Penny, he had a sort of strange way of claiming things. He loves showing off his knowledge about the ogre and saying he knows it better than anyone, taking jabs at his older sister when he can. Then the next morning (after the festival and we saw the ogre) Kieran really wanted to hang out with us. But Carmine told him to basically Fa Klawf (see what I did there) and said we had business with her. We ourselves can assume she just means actual problems but to Kieran, he sees this as something being taken away from him. He obviously looked hurt when we spend more time with Carmine than with him. Then after he heard the whole true story of the ogre (bro why can’t we go inside the house instead of letting the whole world listen outside maybe Kieran wouldn’t have found out then) he was pissed. Then when we lie to him afterwards he says “Why… why did you lie to me?” And in the last signboard if you choose to say Sorry after he explains how the ogre must’ve felt he says “Sorry for what?” Yes I think it’s his feelings being hurt but I think he was upset something like a friend could be taken from him, and the ‘sorry for what’ part was him accusing us if we were just sorry for not telling him or for getting confronted by him. He never does get mad at the ogre, though I think some grudges are getting held. I truly think part of him was grateful we visited, but only time will tell until part 2 if he really did harbor those feelings. Anyways how the hell did he like all those candy apples my team hated every single one lol
As you can tell he’s my favorite because I’m going to talk more. Carmine seems like an overbearing sister at first, but she does really care for Kieran and shows off a bit of her weak side at the end. It is said that she does almost ‘everything’ (I’m assuming carrying their names with pride) and that he wishes to do something like that too. I’m guessing part of the fault could be in the way he was raised (not talking about the villain arc) so he felt closed off from the rest of the world because he felt he couldn’t do anything and was weak. Part of me thinks Carmine always talked harshly to Kieran because she never wanted him to get hurt in any way, or obsessed and crazy. But she did end up hurting Kieran’s feelings in the process without knowing and she realizes this after (I think?) the part where we battle Kieran near the shrine thing that I can’t remember. Yet again another part of me is just theorizing away. Kieran originally thought of course that the ogre was the villain and that the three others did good by sacrificing themselves. But after hearing the true story, it’s more like he made himself believe he was like the ogre. It’s weird how his grandpa and Carmine seem to think he knew all along but he only figured out afterwards, so a part of Kieran really did seem to think he was a villain himself. But the game makes us think he thinks he’s an outcast like the ogre after he hears the story. Guys it’s 8PM and I’m finishing up assignments what am I doing most of this is probably incorrect
Plus the way his battle stances change. At first they’re normal but then I’m pretty sure (correct me if I’m wrong sorry it’s late I need tea to sleep) he throws his Pokeballs with more confidence later on. And the obvious part where the light in his eyes fades for a few seconds or whenever he’s battling and he’s serious. Ngl his eyes kinda look like snake eyes. Maybe Pokémon brought in some symbolism with that? Anyways gonna go write fics for him because he’s my new favorite, move aside Arven
@@mementomori1553 tl;dr kieran's not only upset that you lied to him and was the one ogerpon chose, but that the friendship wasn't as mutual as he thought, even though that bit is mostly his own perception than anything.
Loved this, great character deep dive! Kieran became my favorite Pokémon character instantly, I’m happy he actually has a character worth discussing. Really hope Part 2 makes it out this year, but we still don’t have a date so idk 😅
This theme has the vibe that he’s not really okay. In the outside, yes. But as we see further into the story, he does get very mentally unstable the more things he wants don’t go his way. And suddenly I find Carmine making a whole lot of sense.
"I hate when he gets like that!" Carmine said it herself, this is not the first time Kieran acts like a psycho, so, yeah, something was very wrong with Kieran, from the very beginning...
@@owo4288 only at the beginning, we can't blame Carmine completely because those are Kieran's own actions, not hers (And she also said sorry to Kieran and admitted she was wrong for lying to him), in the indigo disk he's even worse by his own decision (Yes, I know Kieran changed for the better too in the Pecharunt event but that's another subject).
@@Kris_Luchat The AI replicas of them did not wanna pursue their idea with the Paradox Pokemon anymore knowing full well the damage it could cause. But at that point, the only thing the OG professors cared about is to keep the machine running. To pursue their dream.
@@notshockwavedemon7543 the originals profesor being dead, we can only assume that they would do what the AI do, they have been programmed to have the prof personality, abd so the same reactions and desires. The AI want to stop the plan so the true prof would surely too.
Wow, what a cool character! I sure hope that we don’t crush his own dreams right in front of him causing him to enter a villain arc where all he focuses on is being stronger and stronger!
Damn, listening to all four of his battle themes, each has a vibe to them. This one has that "friendly rival" feel to it, you know what I mean? The showdown has that uneasy feeling going on. His champion showdown feels like an intense feeling of... not hatred, I can't quite put my words on it, but like "I have to win no matter the cost." Meanwhile, the 6th and final fight has an uneasy sense of desperation but transitions to a more "I can do this now" sense of hope. This is more or less an almost sleep-deprived me typing all of this out, but still going back and forth between his four battle themes gives an idea of what the atmosphere in his battles is like.
i think in this one you can still feel that something's slightly off, or at least that it will be, since when it starts building up it loops back to the tame part. meanwhile the champion battle to me feels like a desperately violent cry for help, like he feels that he has to win but deep down he just doesn't want to be alone again. this is also sleep deprived me hello
To all the people talking about part 2 and that he'll murder us, the short clip of the champion wears his yellow belt so he's most likely going to be blueberry academies champion
Seeing Kieran loose his sanity defeat after defeat.. And his sister being nicer defeat after defeat... They're really opposed and complimentary in some ways.
He naturally admired and sympathized with the ogre in the story because that is how he sees himself… as a victim. He craves power to enforce his will on others and justifies himself through a victimhood complex. He has no respect for the ogre’s actual feelings, as demonstrated by his insistence on batting for control after the ogre already chose to follow another. Now, consider the Loyal Three. Their backstories are similar. They were weak Pokémon that craved power. Then, the power corrupted them until their friendship value was zero. We are told that an interaction with the ogre means your soul will be forfeit when it really is the opposite. The Loyal Three gave up their souls (their core being) to gain power. Makes you wonder what our “friend” from another school will be like when we meet again.
I absolutely love your comparison to Kieran and the Loyal Three! The parallels between them are especially delicious to me when I think about how the Loyal Three originally stole orgepon's masks out jealousy and greed, and then later on Kieran steals the Teal Mask out of hate and resentment from feeling like an outcast from the player and Carmine. I am definitely looking forward to seeing how this will play out in Indigo Disk, that's for sure (if not a little scared XD). Truly a terrifying tale of a boy who used to admire us and our strength now wants to destroy us because of it. The brightest lights do indeed cast the darkest shadows.
The main difference with Kieran and Hop is this. Hop has always had our character as a friend even before our char and him started as trainers. Hop has a supportive Older Brother in Leon. What does Kieran have? A sister who doesn't exactly support him. Never having a friend mainly coz he's shy until we came along. We became the first person he could open up to. We were friends with him for a short time. But then we just had to lie to him along with his Sister about the Ogre. Yeah. This guy has no one to trust.
Hop - “It’s alright! I’m just gonna study hard to be a great Pokemon professor like Sonia!” Kieran- “Whether they like it or not, I’m gonna make them PAY”
0:35 you can hear the Battle Legend theme from gen 7. Really reflects how the Blueberry League Champion is unknown to us, and we totally haven't met them yet . . Khu said it's Kieran. This stupid little brat (/affectionate) is the champion of the DLC part 2's league
Notice the starting sound of Kieran's initial theme and Carmine's theme are same Kieran's final theme does not have that initial sound. Shows how distant he is now from his sister. She dun goofed.
@@kapiquantum He's probably the most clickbaitiest TH-cam since hdvee. I also remember this one time A drive CLEARLY stated in his title that there was a "new-type" in the DLC, only for him to only be talking the terrestrial form of ogrepon. Like, seriously, come on dude.
This theme : oh not , just another friendly rival! His teal mask final theme: oh, he wants to prove me he got stronger, how cute His champion theme : why am i hearing dark souls boss music?
As soon as I saw him in the trailer I thought “he’s going to be antagonistic”. Then when I started the dlc, I thought, “I guess I was wrong” Then he did the whole thing with hiding in his room and basically plotting the player’s murder so yeah
Just to point out Kieran is revealed to be a teenager so he's at least 13 and since Florian/Juliana look about the same theyre probably young teenagers too
@@nabuchodonosormcgalapatram6941 very interesting! I wonder why different translations have different details, anyways I'll try to add that information to the Bulbapedia page then, thanks for the discovery
The true Kieran, right there. I know he still wants to eventually beat us, but he's OK with the outcome, regardless. I'm happy he's feeling a lot better.
I'm gonna be dead serious, this is one of the best themes in all of Scarlet and Violet, it somehow gives me that one vibe you cannot explain to the fullest. Overall, good job to Gamefreak, the osts in part 1 are generally underrated in my opinion, I hope part 2 is gonna have creative themes too
Mad respects to this kid and his Belly Drum Poliwhirl. Forced me to use items when I never intended to. I'm gonna take him seriously in the second. DLC
My level 100 Skeledirge with Unaware really saved me in that last fight. And it nearly got KO'd. But you know what they say: you can't be a champion if you don't spam full restores!
Dude, I was about to start. The indigo described after… I finished the tail mask, but then I was with him. My sister almost destroyed my team, but in that game was like OK I’m gonna wait a minute then go start the indigo disc Jesus.
This DLC made me realice that Paldea's trainers just have smaller eyes overall. This guys look a lot more like some older desings like the ones from sinnoh or hoenn.
I love how the first seven seconds are almost identical to Carmine's, just sped up slightly and with different instruments. I ADORE when they do this with related characters.
Kieran’s first theme: a joyful but shy little guy Second theme: someone going through a mental breakdown Champion theme: someone who got there out of pure spite. Seriously this game has one of my favorite soundtracks of all time
@@Nassacrismo I disagree. Wally ain't bad but he's not as important or special as people made him out to be. Yeah, he was a sick boy but his illness was never really elaborated or explored as his journey was virtually ignored with him starting in Petalburg, being seen next at Mauville which leads to him losing a battle, staying back at home for a while only for him to show up at the very end with a better team. While the remake did give us an awesome battle theme, Mega Gallade and even gave us updates through the Hoenn News Network and Gym Statues, it's just not enough in my book compared to other rivals even the IMO sorta victimized shy boi Kieran.
It's interesting that we witnessed his mental downward spiral all because we're too good lol But, come next half of the dlc, we should probably pray. The quiet kid has snapped..
I like his battle theme because I have it freaking stuck in my head most of the day at work🤣you may not win battling me Kieran but you win in Making me hear your theme FOREVER
@@Macuquita yeah Also cuz he’s a sore loser who doesn’t understand this isn’t his story That we are the protagonist not him However it’s our fault He used to look up to us only for us to crush his dreams and take his precious Ogerpon away
This theme goes harder than his other 2 combined! It’s so fun but intense at the same time? It’s beaming with excitement and got a lot of kitakami flavor to it.
ehhh, i don't know about that. he originally admired her strength before learning she wasn't the bad guy. he eavesdropped, supposedly hearing everything, yet still gets mad when you don't disclose meeting ogerpon, despite hearing you get told not to tell (and i mean, it's not really our place to tell, considering it's a family thing). he accuses you of talking shit about him when he knows you weren't, he steals her last mask, then refuses to even help her reclaim the rest. then, he gets mad at ogerpon's own decision on who she likes more. him versus the one who actually took the time to bond with her and get to know her. he doesn't seem to respect her as an individual with her own desires on what to do. that's not to say he's entirely bad and wrong mind you, he's an awesome character. but it makes sense when you think about it from ogerpon's point of view. he seemed to have some kinda parasocial thing going on there, feeling close to her, while she didn't even know who he was.
@@pancakes4life804I guess this kind of conflict between honest and selfish desires can only be represented well by a kid, especially a teenager He is happy that you saved and helped orgepon but his immature mind can't help but be furious at the foreigner that came for a few days and took everything he wanted. I hope he can grow up from this experience. (When we probably beat him again in DLC 2) Always losing at everything, being told by your sister that you're weak. He went to tell the real story to the villagers, risking getting ostracized even more by everyone He maybe thinks that the reason ogerpon came to like you is because you helped it and to be able to help, you need power. It all comes down to power in the end. "I have to become Stronger, Stronger, Stronger"
0:34 I perked up so much when I first heard this part. I hate I can't remember from where, but I just KNOW it in my heart. Edit: I’ve determined (with help from replies) that the theme I’m thinking of is the “vs Red/Blue” theme from the Alola games. Specifically, 0:25 of that theme.
Hi! Hope you have fun with the game!
Sorry I was busy from my other channel! I hope you will appreciate those. Took me 6 hours to do all of those assembly. Have a good day!
Hi Eli, have a nice day aswell.
No worries man. Dang 3 uploads already?
I love to listen to the ost from your channel. It’s a tradition. Thx for this.
6 hours!? Nope you have that much determination, absolute chad
All these songs so quick? Great work!
Reading this after indigo disk!
“Kieran is such an adorable shy boi, I sure hope he remains our friend forever and doesn’t go off the deep end or anything like that”
💀💀💀
It's too late.
...fuck
how i felt in a sentence
"...but he can, and in fact will."
Kieran in Part 1: "Yay! I get battle you! Haha!"
Kieran in Part 2: "THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL STOP ME FROM DESTROYING YOU AND LEAVING YOU DOWN IN THE DEPTHS WHERE I WAS IN KITAKAMI, NOTHING WILL STOP ME!!!!!!"
Kieran in Epilogue: "I'm sorry about what happened back then..."
Kieran in Epilogue: Sorry about what happened back then
@@notshockwavedemon7543 Mind if I edit that in?
@@jonahcrawley9360 Eh yeah
@@notshockwavedemon7543 Thanks
Me in a single night of not taking my meds
Look at the shine in his eyes in this one and look at his eyes in the final battle. What a character development.
Both siblings lose the highlight in their eye when they have a serious expression in-game, neat detail
and then he gets the cute eyes in the end
Add Kirean to the list of "Kids in Pokemon whos dreams were crushed by the player"
at this point we might as well the antagonist 😭😭
Wally: Acceptance
Hop: Compromise
Kieran: Revenge
Yeah, I honestly felt bad for Kieran throughout the story
@@CaptainObliviousV i do like that trilogy
Next gen rival: Main villian
i like how kieran and carmine switch up personalities throughout the story
When was Carmine ever shy tho
@@Zombie5675I think "the nice one became the mean one and vice-versa".
@@Zombie5675more like she's bad at expressing her thoughts
Carmine accidentally hurts her brother when she's trying to be nice and protective
@@LycanMOONher communication skills are cheeks. This could’ve gone so differently if we either told him, or didn’t make him feel ostracized 😭
Except Carmine is literally the exact same as where she started
I love how he goes from holding his pokéball close, then showing it off with a hopeful gleam in his eye, to immediately showing his pokéball without any life in his eyes whatsoever. All of the joy is gone. It’s like he almost doesn’t care about his Pokémon anymore. All he cares about is having Ogerpon. And he needs to get stronger to do that.
I honestly still wish i could give him ogrepon. dude deserves it
I love Kieran, its unfortunate he’s going to murder us in part 2
Pokemon, making children have depression since 1996
if this is a spoiler, please don’t give me context cuz this comment is hilarious out of context
I'm actually excited for him murdering us in Part 2. :D
Promotional Art for Indigo disk had his back turned from us
I should have seen this coming...
I wouldn't say MURDER, exactly...
My favorite line from Kieran: “Wowzers! I can’t believe this… I get to battle you! This is awesome!”
*And then it was downhill from there*
My Tyranitar when he sent out Dipplin:
I’m not gonna give you a chance to think, kid. Eat Stone Edge.
@@RRed19>the opposing dipplin avoided the attack
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Famous last words before disaster
@@RRed19I faced his with my shiny Dipplin and always got disappointed when it one shotted his Dipplin with Dragon Pulse.
Why is no one talking about how HARD this battle theme goes? Like HOLY
I know I am
yeah dude, this is a banger
Srsly all his themes are bangers
@@Ultim_Prower06 Yeah, I love all three of em! They're giving me so much inspiration and ideas! :D
All themes of Kieran go so hard, I hope when he comes to Horizons, they remixes some of it!
We really had to start his villain arc didn't we
WE TRIGGERED HIS CANON EVENT
Why do I have the feeling that this generation decided to "flip the script" and turn us, the protagonists, into the main villains of the story ? Is it trendy now for many games to impose the Eren Yeager phenomenon ?
@@musicaltaurus3309 Gen 8 kinda did that as well by making you utterly curbstomp Hop and Bede’s career
I just kinda wish they had the "rival who slowly grows more angry towards you as the story progresses" as part of a main games story and not a dlc thing
@@acoolcat. There was no rival in the main game that would fulfil such role
wow, what a happy and upbeat battle theme! i bet me and Kieran are always gonna be Best BFFs Forever!
He seems like such an upstanding kid, I’m sure he has no underlying emotional issues!
🤣
It is a bit melancholy.
I bet that won’t be turned around on its feet
Same here! Sure hope nothing happens that causes him to be angry at us!
“There are two kinds of angry people in this world: explosive and implosive. Explosive is the kind of individual you see screaming at the cashier for not taking their coupons. Implosive is the cashier who remains quiet day after day and finally shoots everyone in the store. Kieran’s the cashier.”
He's both explosive and implosive tbf
He did have a little outburst
@@notshockwavedemon7543 yeah but it wasn't that much of an outburst, more so his real side showing through
I think he’s explosive now
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
@@christinawolfys6482 Yeah. He was both implosive and explosive tbh
I TOLD YALL. LET THEM COOK IN THIS CHARACTER. I TOLD YALL
This is one of the times gamefreak is asked to make a snack and makes a 5 course meal instead
Bro became my favorite. Took the best of himself in both DLCs and made him the most realistic PKMN character.
I just now realized this: One of Kieran's most prominent team members is Yanma/Yanmega. And what is Yanmega's Pokedex category? The *Ogre* Darner Pokemon.
NO WAY SOMEONE ELSE REALIZED THAT TOO??
Same
Darn
Sad Boi has one of the best themes in this game. You won't be able to change my mind, this is a banger
Personally think this particular battle theme, while good, is overshadowed by most of the other battle themes in the DLC.
...His final battle theme, on the other hand...
@@bigrockerending7711 nah this one is way better than the others, even his final one
@@cupie2255 Well, if that's your opinion, that's a-okay
@@bigrockerending7711 hehe, yeah, I SUPPOSE yours is also fine 😳
Call me stupid but i only just noticed the ticking noise in the background for most of this song. I guess its meant to symbolize how Kieran’s sanity was literally a ticking time bomb near the end of the DLC
Dude, I just listen to it over or to try to find that ticking out. I finally noticed it got with that revelation. This thing now reminds me of those old timers I used to have in elementary school. The music was really goofy but all of them they had the ticking in the background remind you this is still a timer his theme just now reminds me of that.
Dope
Your a absolute genius
I think it's just the beat, but creative..
@@zach6800I agree. I think it’s just the beat too. It sounds like the normal “this theme is Japanese inspired” sound that was used for both SwSh and SV first DLC’s
Kieran looking at that Dipplin like he's about to take a bite
He would do that post dlc 1 lol.
Evolve it into the True Final Applin evo
Saying this now coz Dipplin can eviolite
"I guess one bite wouldn't hurt..."
I really like the smidge of foreshadowing this song has. Its noticeably less bombastic than Carmine's battle theme and is honestly kind of goofy, which is appropriate given Kieran's more introverted personality and initially friendly demeanour, but the relatively subtle violins give it an almost sinister feel, which really becomes apparent the more he goes off the deep end and compliments his second battle theme, where the violins take centre stage and all the silliness is gone.
He's not having Ogerpon though, no matter how much his battle theme slaps. The totally real divorce court of the Dreaded Den decided that I have custody, I'm taking the hecking kid.
"Divorce court of the Dreaded Den decided that I have custody"! That whole last paragraph has me cackling! 😂
I like how his theme is still serious sounding....but with the instruments making it sound innocent...that was really cool foreshadowing from their part
Edit: I wonder if this theme's going to make a return, now that we've reconciled....his second and third theme will get overshadowed if that happens, which is sad
Edit 2: they ended up making his second battle theme the official one which I really really like... I miss this theme tho
Oh boy a new friend! I sure hope he doesn’t have any underlying issues prior to us meeting him. I sure hope his family doesn’t force us to betray his trust. I sure hope his idol doesn’t spit in the face of his dream after he risks his reputation to help her. I sure hope all of this doesn’t compound into him finally snapping and using that anger to become the champion of a league with a competitive level team potentially in the lvl 90s. I sure hope he doesn’t try to murder me on sight when I go to visit him in less than a month. I both feel so bad for this boy and am absolutely terrified of him.
This game/DLC has by far the best characters ever introduced in pokemon.Kieran has to be one of,if not the Rival with the best charackter arc
Spelling errors corrected, it would be:
This game/DLC has by far the best characters ever introduced in Pokémon. Kieran has got to be one of, if not the best character arcs.
EDIT: I also completely agree, even though I don’t have the DLC yet.
I loved that he wasn't posessed. Makes it a lot more interesting.
@@hayleykao 🤓
This music… I didn’t focus on his soundtrack at first but later on it just hit me. It’s not like some of the other ones, it’s just, it’s something you can’t describe.
Anyways DLC spoilers:
I think Kieran didn’t just get mad at us because we betrayed his trust, but because he also saw us as something he lost. Example: the day we went to his house with him to meet his and Carmine’s grandparents we said we were his friend.
He seemed to be a really shy boy with no friends, kind of like Penny when we met her. But unlike Penny, he had a sort of strange way of claiming things. He loves showing off his knowledge about the ogre and saying he knows it better than anyone, taking jabs at his older sister when he can.
Then the next morning (after the festival and we saw the ogre) Kieran really wanted to hang out with us. But Carmine told him to basically Fa Klawf (see what I did there) and said we had business with her.
We ourselves can assume she just means actual problems but to Kieran, he sees this as something being taken away from him. He obviously looked hurt when we spend more time with Carmine than with him.
Then after he heard the whole true story of the ogre (bro why can’t we go inside the house instead of letting the whole world listen outside maybe Kieran wouldn’t have found out then) he was pissed. Then when we lie to him afterwards he says “Why… why did you lie to me?” And in the last signboard if you choose to say Sorry after he explains how the ogre must’ve felt he says “Sorry for what?”
Yes I think it’s his feelings being hurt but I think he was upset something like a friend could be taken from him, and the ‘sorry for what’ part was him accusing us if we were just sorry for not telling him or for getting confronted by him.
He never does get mad at the ogre, though I think some grudges are getting held.
I truly think part of him was grateful we visited, but only time will tell until part 2 if he really did harbor those feelings.
Anyways how the hell did he like all those candy apples my team hated every single one lol
As you can tell he’s my favorite because I’m going to talk more.
Carmine seems like an overbearing sister at first, but she does really care for Kieran and shows off a bit of her weak side at the end.
It is said that she does almost ‘everything’ (I’m assuming carrying their names with pride) and that he wishes to do something like that too.
I’m guessing part of the fault could be in the way he was raised (not talking about the villain arc) so he felt closed off from the rest of the world because he felt he couldn’t do anything and was weak.
Part of me thinks Carmine always talked harshly to Kieran because she never wanted him to get hurt in any way, or obsessed and crazy. But she did end up hurting Kieran’s feelings in the process without knowing and she realizes this after (I think?) the part where we battle Kieran near the shrine thing that I can’t remember.
Yet again another part of me is just theorizing away. Kieran originally thought of course that the ogre was the villain and that the three others did good by sacrificing themselves.
But after hearing the true story, it’s more like he made himself believe he was like the ogre. It’s weird how his grandpa and Carmine seem to think he knew all along but he only figured out afterwards, so a part of Kieran really did seem to think he was a villain himself. But the game makes us think he thinks he’s an outcast like the ogre after he hears the story.
Guys it’s 8PM and I’m finishing up assignments what am I doing most of this is probably incorrect
Plus the way his battle stances change. At first they’re normal but then I’m pretty sure (correct me if I’m wrong sorry it’s late I need tea to sleep) he throws his Pokeballs with more confidence later on. And the obvious part where the light in his eyes fades for a few seconds or whenever he’s battling and he’s serious.
Ngl his eyes kinda look like snake eyes. Maybe Pokémon brought in some symbolism with that?
Anyways gonna go write fics for him because he’s my new favorite, move aside Arven
not reading allat
@@mementomori1553 tl;dr kieran's not only upset that you lied to him and was the one ogerpon chose, but that the friendship wasn't as mutual as he thought, even though that bit is mostly his own perception than anything.
Loved this, great character deep dive! Kieran became my favorite Pokémon character instantly, I’m happy he actually has a character worth discussing. Really hope Part 2 makes it out this year, but we still don’t have a date so idk 😅
I love that his music has subtle quotes from the unova trainer theme
Oh my god that's actually incredible
Well, blueberry academy is in unova, so that checks out
Yup, that's why It was a nice nod.@@DylanIsChillin08
I don't hear it :(
This theme has the vibe that he’s not really okay. In the outside, yes. But as we see further into the story, he does get very mentally unstable the more things he wants don’t go his way. And suddenly I find Carmine making a whole lot of sense.
Especially the cello. I love how it becomes more intense in his final battle theme
"I hate when he gets like that!"
Carmine said it herself, this is not the first time Kieran acts like a psycho, so, yeah, something was very wrong with Kieran, from the very beginning...
@@Rocky-brilliantI like that because it’s not really our own doing, we just enabled him / ruined him even further 🤣
@@Rocky-brilliantEventhough she's the main reason why he's like this in the first place.
@@owo4288 only at the beginning, we can't blame Carmine completely because those are Kieran's own actions, not hers (And she also said sorry to Kieran and admitted she was wrong for lying to him), in the indigo disk he's even worse by his own decision (Yes, I know Kieran changed for the better too in the Pecharunt event but that's another subject).
The way they building his character arc as, I'm calling his theme gonna sound more powerful in indigo disk
(Some wally type energy hopefully)
See him get Infected with Tera
I mean Sada and Turo are implied to have lost their mind due to a strong desire to pursue their dreams.
Did they really lose their mind tho ?
Like yeah, they were hard working on the "time machine", but then they died and got replaced by their cyborg 🤔
@@Kris_Luchat The AI replicas of them did not wanna pursue their idea with the Paradox Pokemon anymore knowing full well the damage it could cause. But at that point, the only thing the OG professors cared about is to keep the machine running. To pursue their dream.
@@notshockwavedemon7543 the originals profesor being dead, we can only assume that they would do what the AI do, they have been programmed to have the prof personality, abd so the same reactions and desires.
The AI want to stop the plan so the true prof would surely too.
@@AstralBirthVoid02 The AIs were likely made while they were still sane.
Man, going from this to Part 2's version is a complete 180.
I love the forshadowing tonal shift around 0:46 seconds into the song
I honestly hope we’ll hear this theme again in the indigo disk as a post game option to rematch him every day
Yeah after we save him.
I just wanna see him happy again.
@@notshockwavedemon7543 yeah and to be his tight friend again
We need a dang battle tower of some kind so we can listen to all the battle themes in the game.
@@notshockwavedemon7543 Exactly
@@ZoruaMastera battle tower ran by somebody like Geeta or something
I feel like nobody in the comments is talking about how hard this shit slaps. Genuinely one of my favourite battle themes since the galar birds!
Oh, I know. I purposely searched this up, and I say we need a 1 hour version.
I like how he has a different battle theme that changes the more mad he is at the player- and each one’s a banger!
After listening to all Kieran's battle themes... this one is still my favorite one.
Same
I like how this theme is quite peaceful
His final theme in Teal Mask shows you something is wrong...
His champion theme in Indigo Disk is chaotic
Wow, what a cool character!
I sure hope that we don’t crush his own dreams right in front of him causing him to enter a villain arc where all he focuses on is being stronger and stronger!
"You're cool don't come to the Terrarium tomorrow>"
When you play through the game with no issue, think you're hot stuff, and then try online battles for the first time:
😂
They fuckin NAILED Kieran’s theme, I normally don’t pay any attention to battle themes but this one is extraordinary on a different level.
Damn, listening to all four of his battle themes, each has a vibe to them.
This one has that "friendly rival" feel to it, you know what I mean?
The showdown has that uneasy feeling going on.
His champion showdown feels like an intense feeling of... not hatred, I can't quite put my words on it, but like "I have to win no matter the cost."
Meanwhile, the 6th and final fight has an uneasy sense of desperation but transitions to a more "I can do this now" sense of hope.
This is more or less an almost sleep-deprived me typing all of this out, but still going back and forth between his four battle themes gives an idea of what the atmosphere in his battles is like.
i think in this one you can still feel that something's slightly off, or at least that it will be, since when it starts building up it loops back to the tame part.
meanwhile the champion battle to me feels like a desperately violent cry for help, like he feels that he has to win but deep down he just doesn't want to be alone again.
this is also sleep deprived me hello
To all the people talking about part 2 and that he'll murder us, the short clip of the champion wears his yellow belt so he's most likely going to be blueberry academies champion
"correct"- TF2 Spy
Seeing Kieran loose his sanity defeat after defeat..
And his sister being nicer defeat after defeat...
They're really opposed and complimentary in some ways.
He must stink if he lost his sanitary.
@@DukeTheDukeTheDukeTheDuke My autocorrect
Maaan, we set up this tiny boi's whole "Joker arc" didn't we? 💀
Yeah this little boy is completely broken and depressed.
WE TRIGGERED HIS CANON EVENT
Society
@@5ashll303
We do, indeed, live in one.
Feel like it was mostly Carmine, tbh.
It's still hard to believe that this kid is the same kid that has the role of Champion in the BB Academy...
That's what makes it good. It's a big contrast but the motivation that led him to this path is believable.
i like how his battle team starts off very shy and childish and when face him the last time its alot more determined and intimidating
Kieran: Why can't I beat you?!
Me, who has had far too many months to grind out competitive Level 100 Pokemon: I dunno.
He naturally admired and sympathized with the ogre in the story because that is how he sees himself… as a victim. He craves power to enforce his will on others and justifies himself through a victimhood complex. He has no respect for the ogre’s actual feelings, as demonstrated by his insistence on batting for control after the ogre already chose to follow another.
Now, consider the Loyal Three. Their backstories are similar. They were weak Pokémon that craved power. Then, the power corrupted them until their friendship value was zero. We are told that an interaction with the ogre means your soul will be forfeit when it really is the opposite. The Loyal Three gave up their souls (their core being) to gain power. Makes you wonder what our “friend” from another school will be like when we meet again.
Maybe whoever was responsible for the Toxic Trio will manipulate Kieran into taking the same deal.
good thing my anihilape has good pedagogic solution in the form of rage fist
Yay some one else who understood this
also, im curious, where is it mentionned that the loyal three's thirst for power corrupted them (simingly meaning they were good guys before)
I absolutely love your comparison to Kieran and the Loyal Three! The parallels between them are especially delicious to me when I think about how the Loyal Three originally stole orgepon's masks out jealousy and greed, and then later on Kieran steals the Teal Mask out of hate and resentment from feeling like an outcast from the player and Carmine. I am definitely looking forward to seeing how this will play out in Indigo Disk, that's for sure (if not a little scared XD). Truly a terrifying tale of a boy who used to admire us and our strength now wants to destroy us because of it. The brightest lights do indeed cast the darkest shadows.
...we were very lucky that Hop wasn't the type to hold a grudge. I realize this now.
The main difference with Kieran and Hop is this.
Hop has always had our character as a friend even before our char and him started as trainers. Hop has a supportive Older Brother in Leon.
What does Kieran have? A sister who doesn't exactly support him. Never having a friend mainly coz he's shy until we came along. We became the first person he could open up to. We were friends with him for a short time. But then we just had to lie to him along with his Sister about the Ogre. Yeah. This guy has no one to trust.
Especially since Hop has a Zacian if you picked Shield (I suffered)
@@luckyinky7849Me too. His Zacian was the only time in swsh I used revives in battle
@@luckyinky7849shield is better imo but I do kinda wish we had a cooler legendary
@@luckyinky7849hey fellow Shield users. I was one of the people who played that first.
*and how I appreciated Metal Burst now too*
Kieran and Hop: **exists**
Player: I'm about to end this whole man's career
Hop - “It’s alright! I’m just gonna study hard to be a great Pokemon professor like Sonia!”
Kieran- “Whether they like it or not, I’m gonna make them PAY”
And like 2 weeks later Kieran was up in his dorm at the blueberry academy watching WolfeyVGC videos and saw how good incineroar is
@@AdrianHernandez-rn1sq LMAOOO AKSODORJMAS
Forget being a professor, Hop is gonna have to be his therapist
0:35 you can hear the Battle Legend theme from gen 7. Really reflects how the Blueberry League Champion is unknown to us, and we totally haven't met them yet
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Khu said it's Kieran. This stupid little brat (/affectionate) is the champion of the DLC part 2's league
If you watch again the trailer, you can clearly see his hand with the same color skin and glove on the same hand
As you can see, the Teal Mask continues the Gen 9 tradition of all the music slapping.
Kieran just needs a hug that's all
Notice the starting sound of Kieran's initial theme and Carmine's theme are same
Kieran's final theme does not have that initial sound. Shows how distant he is now from his sister.
She dun goofed.
"Stronger, Stronger, Stronger, Stronger, Stronger, Stronger"
Just you wait, ….
You wont get away with making my life worse…
*Proceed.*
Even his first theme hints at some darkness in his heart.
Im so afraid kierans gonna be an antagonist for indigo disk bro 😭
*spoilers*
Pretty sure he becomes champion of the blueberry league in part 2
@@Apollo2ktvyou watch A-Drive too, I see lol
@@Real_AnimAu can really easily find this information yourself without watchin some clickbaiting youtuber
@@kapiquantum He's probably the most clickbaitiest TH-cam since hdvee.
I also remember this one time A drive CLEARLY stated in his title that there was a "new-type" in the DLC, only for him to only be talking the terrestrial form of ogrepon.
Like, seriously, come on dude.
@@Apollo2ktvand an antagonist...
This theme : oh not , just another friendly rival!
His teal mask final theme: oh, he wants to prove me he got stronger, how cute
His champion theme : why am i hearing dark souls boss music?
As soon as I saw him in the trailer I thought “he’s going to be antagonistic”. Then when I started the dlc, I thought, “I guess I was wrong”
Then he did the whole thing with hiding in his room and basically plotting the player’s murder so yeah
Just to point out Kieran is revealed to be a teenager so he's at least 13 and since Florian/Juliana look about the same theyre probably young teenagers too
So i guess it's not that weird that he has a crush on us during half the dlc.
I don't know if his age is ever said in English, but in French, he's 14.
@@nabuchodonosormcgalapatram6941 Wait does the french game outright say his age?
@@shuichisaihope398 Yes
@@nabuchodonosormcgalapatram6941 very interesting! I wonder why different translations have different details, anyways I'll try to add that information to the Bulbapedia page then, thanks for the discovery
This music is god tier and no one can convince me otherwise
The true Kieran, right there.
I know he still wants to eventually beat us, but he's OK with the outcome, regardless.
I'm happy he's feeling a lot better.
ah yes, the dlc.. where we make children go through their joker era
Little did we know that he was gonna clap us with an Intimidate Incineroar
In the beginning of the DLC I actually fully thought that Kieran would be our characters best buddy. I don't want him evil in the 2nd part of the DLC.
Fun fact: this theme is Gen 7 Red&Blue's Battle Theme mixed with Oleana's theme.
Can't wait for ma boi to come back stronger than ever and out for blood!
WITH AN EVOLVED DIPPLIN
@@navybluegacha2119 that too! I hope the evolution looks awesome!
Can’t wait for the ten Pokémon boss fight with a team of legendaries
I'm gonna be dead serious, this is one of the best themes in all of Scarlet and Violet, it somehow gives me that one vibe you cannot explain to the fullest.
Overall, good job to Gamefreak, the osts in part 1 are generally underrated in my opinion, I hope part 2 is gonna have creative themes too
If there's one thing Game Freak doesn't mess up, it's the music.
I'm sure there'll be at least TWO bangers, if not more or ALL of them.
Harmoknight? TEMPO the Badass Elephant? Yeah I think there's some Gamefreak employees who love music.
One of the best battle themes from the DLC. I absolutely love it.
Mad respects to this kid and his Belly Drum Poliwhirl. Forced me to use items when I never intended to. I'm gonna take him seriously in the second. DLC
He actually beat me the first time in the final battle. After a Belly Drum, he hits way too hard
Bro has competitve items on his pokemon 💀
My level 100 Skeledirge with Unaware really saved me in that last fight. And it nearly got KO'd. But you know what they say: you can't be a champion if you don't spam full restores!
That Poliwhirl scared the [!%!$++%×%] outta me when it drummed its belly
Dude, I was about to start. The indigo described after… I finished the tail mask, but then I was with him. My sister almost destroyed my team, but in that game was like OK I’m gonna wait a minute then go start the indigo disc Jesus.
I have a bad feeling that he's gonna murdering us all, doesn't he.....
He needs to be in a group therapy session with Hop and Wally, and Hau 😂
This feel so weird after dlc 2
Kieran is like a Hop gone wrong
More like gone horribly right...
This DLC made me realice that Paldea's trainers just have smaller eyes overall. This guys look a lot more like some older desings like the ones from sinnoh or hoenn.
It scares me how fast this kid improved
People often improve really quick when they have a personal vendetta against you
to many people sleep on this theme, its so awesome! the bass-guitar slaps so hard ✰_✰
I love how the first seven seconds are almost identical to Carmine's, just sped up slightly and with different instruments. I ADORE when they do this with related characters.
" Luz described him as, and these are her words, 'a bad but sad boy' "
hunter and kieran would definitely get along
Accurate 😂
From Gen 10 and forward let’s now take a dive once or twice for our future rivals to avoid another Kieran situation
Bro just upload 2 videos in like 28 seconds, what an absolute chad
Kieran is the literal manifestation of: "and then it got even worse."
This guy is going to kill us in the second part, i'm sure
He will try
Emphasis on "try"
*Or he's possessed by someone, Carmine said Kiki isn't usually like that.*
*Dokutaro entered the chat* heya
Pecha Berry + Snorunt = ???
This one seems so tame now compared to the Other 3 he has...
It's my favourite character and his theme is the best of the dlc
Kieran’s first theme: a joyful but shy little guy
Second theme: someone going through a mental breakdown
Champion theme: someone who got there out of pure spite.
Seriously this game has one of my favorite soundtracks of all time
Being forced to lie to Kieran broke my heart especially because HE KNEW we were lying to him
Give me a shy boi - Kieran
I said the true shy boi - Wally
🌟PERFECTION🌟
Meh, Wally's kinda overrated to me.
@@dnmstarsihe deserves it,I loved him when I played omega ruby
@@Nassacrismo I disagree. Wally ain't bad but he's not as important or special as people made him out to be. Yeah, he was a sick boy but his illness was never really elaborated or explored as his journey was virtually ignored with him starting in Petalburg, being seen next at Mauville which leads to him losing a battle, staying back at home for a while only for him to show up at the very end with a better team. While the remake did give us an awesome battle theme, Mega Gallade and even gave us updates through the Hoenn News Network and Gym Statues, it's just not enough in my book compared to other rivals even the IMO sorta victimized shy boi Kieran.
I love how some bits of the song sounds its gonne break into a power ranger opening theme.
It's interesting that we witnessed his mental downward spiral all because we're too good lol
But, come next half of the dlc, we should probably pray. The quiet kid has snapped..
KIERAN WILL NOT CATCH TERAPAGOS AND NEITHER WILL BRIAR OR I WILL BEAT THEIR ASS
@@Stanfordpines12 lmao
Coming from hearing Carmines battle theme, this sounds like miniature version of her theme, that's so cute
Guys, we have all put a child through his villain arc.
I like his battle theme because I have it freaking stuck in my head most of the day at work🤣you may not win battling me Kieran but you win in Making me hear your theme FOREVER
Reminder
He’s only becoming a villain because the Pokémon he idolized chose us over him
Not the only reason, but yes, a major one
@@Macuquita yeah
Also cuz he’s a sore loser who doesn’t understand this isn’t his story
That we are the protagonist not him
However it’s our fault
He used to look up to us only for us to crush his dreams and take his precious Ogerpon away
50/50, but yes
What a cute kid, hope nothing bad happens to him
Pokemon has always done the rival characters dirty, but they were absolutely merciless to my boy Kieran 😭😭
This has been the best theme in the Teal Mask DLC
This theme goes harder than his other 2 combined! It’s so fun but intense at the same time? It’s beaming with excitement and got a lot of kitakami flavor to it.
I love this battle theme it has so many motifs I’ve wanted in a battle theme for the longest time I love xylophones and how cheery and groovy it is
Anyone else think the 3D models actually look better than the 2D art this gen?
this theme has no business going this hard
Not gonna lie, he did more for ogerpon than we ever could and he always believed in it.
Then we come and just take it, that's sad
I IMAGINE HE GETS AN OGERPON SOMEWHAT THRU BLUEBERRY'S RESEARCH
OR A PARADOX OGERPON THRU THE TERA CRYSTAL'S TIME WARP POWERS
ehhh, i don't know about that. he originally admired her strength before learning she wasn't the bad guy. he eavesdropped, supposedly hearing everything, yet still gets mad when you don't disclose meeting ogerpon, despite hearing you get told not to tell (and i mean, it's not really our place to tell, considering it's a family thing). he accuses you of talking shit about him when he knows you weren't, he steals her last mask, then refuses to even help her reclaim the rest.
then, he gets mad at ogerpon's own decision on who she likes more. him versus the one who actually took the time to bond with her and get to know her. he doesn't seem to respect her as an individual with her own desires on what to do.
that's not to say he's entirely bad and wrong mind you, he's an awesome character. but it makes sense when you think about it from ogerpon's point of view. he seemed to have some kinda parasocial thing going on there, feeling close to her, while she didn't even know who he was.
@@pancakes4life804I guess this kind of conflict between honest and selfish desires can only be represented well by a kid, especially a teenager
He is happy that you saved and helped orgepon but his immature mind can't help but be furious at the foreigner that came for a few days and took everything he wanted.
I hope he can grow up from this experience.
(When we probably beat him again in DLC 2)
Always losing at everything, being told by your sister that you're weak.
He went to tell the real story to the villagers, risking getting ostracized even more by everyone
He maybe thinks that the reason ogerpon came to like you is because you helped it and to be able to help, you need power.
It all comes down to power in the end.
"I have to become Stronger, Stronger, Stronger"
If this kid ever appears in Pokémon Masters EX, he deserves Ogerpon as his partner.
@@yoni6847I'm really loving where this is going
I have noticed when they zoom in on the face during the final fight the gleam in his eyes are gone.
00:50 is by far my favorite part
0:35 this is my favorit because this reminds me of zinnia
@@Nassacrismotrue that I hear it
0:34 I perked up so much when I first heard this part. I hate I can't remember from where, but I just KNOW it in my heart.
Edit: I’ve determined (with help from replies) that the theme I’m thinking of is the “vs Red/Blue” theme from the Alola games. Specifically, 0:25 of that theme.
Kanto trainer, maybe?
As others have mentioned, Red and Blue battle from Sun/Moon
Same!! It sounds like something from Sun and Moon idk
It's literally a motif from the bw trainer battle
It’s part of the Unova trainer theme!