Rache means Revenge translated in german. Just wanted to point out what is obvious to germans but not to the rest of the viewers. Always made no sense to me that his Nickname was the only netrunners nickname that had no defined topic attatched to the meaning. But being a revenger makes absolute sense.
@@sabastianheinle9095that’s the single dumbest statement I’ve ever read lmao. Complete anarchy is a disaster. There’s a reason it’s almost always used in a negative connotation
@@sabastianheinle9095Get out of your mom’s basement. nowhere, anywhere in the entirety of human history did pure anarchy become the governing system. Its the hell that fallen civilisations devolve into and some new order ALWAYS arises to take the fallen predecessors place. No one in anarchy enjoys the dog eat dog world that anarchy actually is.
@@jaimestardust8555that’s objectively untrue. Anarchy is merely a process of decision making where, instead of single individuals acting as decision makers, the community group consents by vote for each issue that needs to be addressed, and the most capable individual or group is put in charge of that issue for its duration. Originally, it was a way for classical communities (specifically Greek) to manage their affairs without intervention from an ‘archon’ or ruler. The word literally means “without rulers”. It was then re-conceptualised in the 18th century as a way of eliminating the need for an aristocracy as part of the machinery of government, and returning to a more community-led self-deterministic way of running something (a village, factory, farm, ship, whatever). It’s just a way of organising and running a democracy, not some sinister chaos-state made of cannibalism and mad max cars.
If Mr Blue Eyes actually is Morgan Blackhand like the game points at, then I wouldn't be surprised if he's working with Spider Murphy and Rache Bartmoss in AI form to mold the political landscape of Night City to keep down the corruption of the city. It would make the Peralez quest make more sense to me.
@@8bitarmory846 there’s actually more that are from “unknown” people sending messages that you can find that you can tell by context it’s Mr. Blue eyes
@@8bitarmory846 So actually if you do a little digging in the NCPD scanner data shards there is a few statements that heavily elude to them being the same person. Morgan Blackhand completely disappears and mr. blue eyes shows up only a few years after his disappearance. That being said Mr. Blue eyes curiously has a lot of deeper knowledge of V's situation as if he is familiar with what happened at Saka tower. Play through the game again and do some real digging. But that being said hopefully phantom liberty gives us more confirmation of the fate of morgan blackhand. As of now it is of course a theory a game theory.
I know Mike p didn't write every piece of the lore but my god it has always stunned me as to just how similar the "first net" is to the real world's internet.....
Remember that the first cyberpunk books were coming out right as the internet transitioned from the ARPAnet among a couple other networks to the ground work of what we see today, a move that represented a shift from not for profit for the purposes of academia and science to commercialization, that or I'm misremembering things
@@frigid_metal9545Likely, but not by much, since 1989 was when the first commercial ISPs and businesses fully connected, still they were in the process of getting the OK to connect to the NSFNet (ARPANet was in the process of being decommisioned.). This could be a good question to ask Mr. Pondsmith in a Con.
Necro reposne but that´s cyberpunk for you. Meaning genre. Whole point of cyberpunk always was taking modern problems and dialing them up to 12. The 80´s/90´s aesthetics, neons and stuff were there because that existed when cyberpunk emerged and people love it so it is being kept. But for example Mr. Robot is perfect cyberpunk story without all that shiny stuff.
Where did the idea come from, though, that the Internet could be traversed by the human mind almost as a literal physical thing? Anywhere besides William Gibson's 'Neuromancer'?
Hes alive same with alt and I'm not talking about the fake ai it hinted at in the tabletop game that alt transfer her mind to another living person I'm betting rache did the same
I think it’s more of a testament to say how quickly people, especially Corpos, move on in Night City. Rache Bartmoss was a public enemy because he harassed the Corps. The moment his brain went kaput, the Corps shifted their attention elsewhere. It was the 4th Corporate War, and then the Arasaka Holocaust, and then the Time of the Red, and then the Heyward Expansion, and then the Unification War, and then the Return of Arasaka. Not to mention the numerous gang wars, thefts and takedowns, and elections and assassinations. The moment Bartmoss stopped harassing the Corps was the moment Bartmoss’s presence was last week’s news for the next 50 years. I think that says a lot about Night City, that even celebrities are immediately forgotten in the public eye like toilet paper regardless of your prestige
I think there's the potential for them to tell a truly horrific story here. I didn't realize soul killer was just "out there" at one point lol. Imagine how many souls were ripped into the net who were high level executives with willful but sociopathic traits. Consider a contrast between people augmenting themselves with cybernetic parts and an AI on the net around the time of the great crash. Then after the corruption, an AI mirrors mankind's self augmentation with cyber parts by augmenting it's own cyber parts with pieces carved from human souls. Mr. Blue Eyes could be one such product.
I like what BugBear had to say about him. From the perspective of a kid born after the crash, who had to cut her teeth running in private datafortresses lamenting that at one time the whole of the net was free. Helps that she's a hot blonde in a red Runner suit. I sure hope she has a speaking role in Orion.
I believe that his physical body(firdt human form) is dead just as the quest shows. But between the amount of cloning and robotic droids i can totally see him coming back via hacking into something from behind the great wall.
You have some serious talent for narrating the lore in a way that is quite easy to follow. The cyberpunk lore is so damn interesting and you have given me a fantastic view of it all
Apparently Rache and Alt were good friends before the Datakrash. Since Rache was already inhabiting the net more then his meatsack it seems probable Alt (who already existed in the net) could have used a variation of Soulkiller to migrate Raches' consciousness to the net before his meatsack decayed. Might be there was some plan to migrate him back to his meatsack (thus the 50 lease extension) that didn't work out.
@@gdolson9419 Oml bro, best ending, no cap. Buying that kid a guitar, just hanging and letting go... Both getting the chance to live a second life, losing nothing and gaining everything... Just put an AI in my brain already, I'll have my brain-melting existential crisis yesterday and then disappear into the digital tapestry hidden beneath the encrypted dataforts of the net. Not even joking. Prove I can come back with like, a cat test subject or something, and I'll be the first human mind uploaded.
@@jeffbrownstain I feel like you missed a large plot point of Cyberpunk, the digital consciousness will NEVER be YOU, it is NOT a transfer. It's merely a perfect copy that acts exactly like you, a digital imposter. V never made it into Mikoshi, that's a digital imposter, V never even realized they died when they jacked into Mikoshi until Alt and Johnny tell AI/digital V. YOU die with your meatsack body but everything about you, your personality and knowledge, can live on through a digital copy for the sake of people still alive in *their* meatsacks. That perfect AI copy can inhabit a meatsack body and people will not be able to distinguish the difference, but it will still never be YOU. Honestly that ending is the worst ending, V dies unceremoniously and is replaced by an AI that basically doesn't know any better. That is why Johnny makes such a big deal about V keeping his body, AI Johnny fully understands that he is just an AI and that the real Johnny Silverhand already had his chance and wasted it back in 2020. AI Johnny understands in some way that this is NOT a continuation of V's life, it is *death* and from that death an AI copy of V will be created; he understands that this is NOT truly a cure to V's situation. He's seen the real Johnny's dead body and has come to terms with being an AI in a way that V doesn't understand. Long story short YOU can never "come back" this way, your death will be final even if a perfect replica of you can be made afterwards. This is evident in many ways but I feel the most damning evidence would be the Jackie engram. That shows very clearly that the engrams are merely programming, seeing as Jackie's engram was taken AFTER DEATH and is incomplete. I don't think you could partially extract someone's "soul" and especially not after death; soulkiller is clearly a physical process that relies on gathering information from a subject's brain, not a metaphysical process in which someone's Soma is being transposed from physical to digital.
I strongly believe Rache is still out there somewhere in an AI form (similar to those in Mikoshi who were hit with soul killer but not exactly the same). Personally I hope (but I doubt) that we learn more about him in phantom liberty although I will not uncross my fingers for more Spider Murphy. Love that quirky girl
@@yeetneet5334 I know Phantom Liberty is a DLC , but in my opinion the next game will answer many questions about the unanswered questions from the first game
Rache is a guy you wouldn't really want to meet. He is what Johnny Silverhand is but a netrunner. He would be 10 steps ahead of you and even if you haven't done anything to him he would still try to find ways to shut you down from afar just in case...
I honestly dont get how more people dont see bartmoss as a villian he singlehandedly took down the free net ans created a army of A.I that not only allowed corpos to control the net and everything on it but put the corpos in the Moral Right doing so since it is required to keep his A.I from rampaging and destroying tech wholesale
@@TherealTenmanI no its not and that is beyond stupid as fuck. People out there who act "Cyberpunk isint allowed to have good people or happy endings" are the people who only know cyberpunk from the game have never read a Single piece of cyberpunk lit outside of the game probs havent even touched the board game. It is a stupid excuse that is both not true and not a good one lmao cyberpunk explains the type of setting. That is IT nothing else it can have any kind of story with any kind of characters What so ever like any other type. What you just said is as stupid as if someone said "Steampunk doesent have good guy" or "Post apocolypse doesent have good guys" whats next gonna pull out of your ass that Science fiction isint allowed to tell goofy stories too? Same thing your doin rn
@@TherealTenmanIIt's kind of funny how all the characters in Cyberpunk who claim to be freedom fighters fighting against corporate oppression end up causing way more suffering and damage to the world than the very corporations they're fighting against.
@@cynicalmemester1694 huh... i responded to this... i guess YT ate it... Anyways, it was about collatoral damage. They have a purpose and burn a lot that was not intended. Either needed or accidental/uncaringly.
@@cynicalmemester1694just like the real world, huh? Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Mandela Reds & Whites in the Russian civil war... Basically everybody in our world who seeked to destroy the injustices of that day's system through violence, eventually brought much more suffering to people, than the status quo
This is great. You nailed all the big points and that's not easy, considering how well me, Will Moss, Dave Ackerman and (as the main voice of Rache) Edward Bolme, hid all kinds of clues throughout the 2020 books. And yes, Rache was right. Aliens did create the Carbon Plague. More on that later.
@@mikorupondsumisu6883 Can you prove that you really exist? Provided you are the real you... You are a prophet and a God-King and I bow at your prescient wisdom. Bless your soul for saving us from a reality made of the worst of ourselves. You've done our species more favors than most will ever know, and you're an inspiration to all who recognize your insight, and well beyond. I know who I am. I hope you are the real you so you can read my words. This would be an opportunity I otherwise never thought I could have...
@@mikorupondsumisu6883 Also, I need some concensus; sentient AI. Yeah, or not? I get hella mixed vibes from lore. The daemon thing is six-levels-of-genius deep, but a little confusing given irl lore. Genius, or should I say genii? Djinn? Daemon or Daimon it's all the same subroutines, right? Hard to tell. Lets just call it HGA and move on to lesser, controllable variants.
Its really amazing how well thought out the lore of cyberpunk 2077 is. Pondsmith is a wizard.. so interesting, all of this, kept me nailed to my seat. It kinda feels like Mike is voicing his own opinions regarding internet as we know it irl... internet is pretty great invention but it has its dark sides too, some of which I think we havent even seen yet.. its still pretty damn fresh invention after all.
I'd say the likely answer is that while the power was cut, the man's paranoia meant he had a LONG lasting built in power supply. Mind you, his body was dead all those years ago, before the fifty year extension. Hence the combo of rot/stench and ice.
If you really need a reason (like I do), minor continuity error. The fact V mentions the smell of rot. The ice was only shown because that’s how a netrunner’s dive tub normally looks (based on how little I know, still new to finer details). But they added to just make it look like that.
I’m running a Cyberpunk RED campaign that takes place in 2077. Basically, I’m running my players through the main story line of Cyberpunk 2077. I’ve played through the computer game three times but I’ve been watching videos like these to remind myself of many of the side plot lines. So yeah, having the PCs find Batmoss’ remains will be on the table. Thanks for the refresher!
You can find a shard notifying you about a expired fridge warranty with high net speed and capacity with a note to not open due to expire in 2075 and says it was left in the dump after the owner didn’t answer idk if everyone found this but pretty nice to have it hidden in a another quest and definitely bartmoss
came from reddit. I'm a total newbie to pondsmith's cyberpunk universe so you'll never know how much I appreciate this video man, spending 30 minutes on this video instead of all those cyberpunk wiki articles is definitely worth it 😂 you just gained a new subscriber and I hope you do more of these man, excellent job!
I can believe that Deathwish had a human mind. Imagine a quadriplegic, trapped in their own body. I can see Rache offering to upload such a person's brain into the cat to not only give them a sort of mobility but a purpose.
I feel like the biggest hint to how he died just comes from cyberpunk 2077, where literally he just forgot to pay for his power bill, they shut off the power to his room while he was still in his fridge, and his lifesupport immediately failed and killed him. later on when they were dumping his stuff they just through the frige away in the dump an he wasn''t found until V finds him in the dump next to, ironically, where he was dragged out from the wreckage after he himself was dumped and black jesus was killed by takemora. overall quite the underwhelming but comsically ironic way to go
This video popped up in my feed so many times. Was worth the watch, thanks for the very well put together presentation. I specifically liked how you reference the source material several times and managed to keep the game footage relatively spoiler free. Like many, I'm new to cyberpunk but this might lead me to dive deeper into the lore. Thanks!
rache's creation of the RABIDS...the Ais that made Cyberspace a hellscape that necessetated the construction of the Blackwall, are a result of bartmoss's collaberation with Alt Cunningham. Sloppier execution, but along the same lines. the Alt AI in original cyberpunk canon is essentially immune to RABIDs...a last gift from bartmoss and why she's doing that "hive mind " thing now to extend that immunity to those she can. Barmoss was brilliant, but not infallible...
I just found your channel and wanted to say that you’re an absolute treasure for this community. This was the most informative video on Bartmose I’ve ever seen!
"in a world where corporations have grown decidedly stronger than world governments, violence runs rampant in in the streets and poverty is at an all time high" lol same
The poverty, yes. The rampant violence? That's more of the gun consortium in the US (the NRA) and the military-industrial complex outside (via wars) than say, Amazon or Apple. No Microsoft paramilitary group is gonna storm your apartment because you still haven't activated your copy of Windows 10.
@@9Reports not ever. It’s in the interest of the governments to keep control of the use of force. Considering the fuss about Russia and China having near peer military power. Do you think the us would allow a company do so. No.
@@rexthewolf3149who do you think control elections? Many US citizens actually think that having a corporate millionaire as president is a good thing for themselves
This was a great video and I can't wait to watch some more! Hope you can continue to make some when the next installment comes out a couple years from now.
I appreciate your research. It enhances the whole cyberpunk experience knowing the back story of the characters with illustrations and in game footage. It helps bring a deeper connection with the game itself and I look forward to seeing more... I tend to watch these more than once as there's so much information provided. Thank you.
I love that for 50 years nobody bothered to check what was in that fridge until V randomly finds it near Dex’s corpse, hell did anyone even think to check where it was or what happened to it? I mean it was only the corpse of one of the most important characters in Cyberpunk history
I'm shocked you have so few subscribers and views on this, having played the game a ton and loving the netrunner lore myself I'm glad I saw this. Keep making excellent videos, I'd love to see one on the blackwall and Cyberpunk AIs in general.
Yea so noble taking down the internet that is still (slightly) freer than the Corpo run Networks, damning everyone into corpo run surveilance, yes so noble. In case you don't know what I mean, there's an excerpt with Murphy saying something to the effect of how what Bartmoss did in fact DID NOT truly struck a blow against Corpos and instead gave them more control.
This video is so good, i legit thought this was like 1m view vid at least from a bigger channel, you deserve so much more attention for this good content
I got a theory, what if Rashe conciousnes is in Nibbles? if like was said that he put a human conciousnes into Deathwish, who's to say that wasn't a trial run? ever wonder how old Nibbles is? he ain't a kitten and if Rashes' freezer wasn't turned off till 2075 then there's the posibility of a window if he was just biding his time, I mean, who left the note for us to take care of Nibbles in the first place? Food for thought.
wow great video, after playing the DLC i know now why the reason is why Songbird is dying after she visited the other side of the Black Wall, its because of The R.A.B.I.D and Black Ice bombaring her with data and task and like the old net set her to "crash"
ok now I'm convinced to actually get the book and read it for myself cause you explored so many details of his life that I had no idea about! Well done and great job! The cat was the best easter egg ^^
Always been my favourite characters. The top netrunners are all touched by a mad sociopathy, like digital archmages that reached too far into the void.
Whenever I say "Cyberpunk 2077 is a masterpiece ", this is the reason why. The legends of Night City is truly magnificent. This was an excellent video on Bartmoss. 👌🏻
Excellent content. A great in-depth summary of the lore. I also enjoy listening to your voice. I hope you will produce even more Cyberpunk 2020 - 2077 content!
You say that Rache’s shattering of the net made things worse but I don’t think so. The old net was one system and whatever group or groups controlled that system essentially controlled everything. The shattering of the net “means that everyone has their own net” which is true. It also means these groups (the corps, gangs, individual runners) will almost always oppose, fight, and undermine each other so, at the very least, there’s options. And even on the off chance that these groups unite or one group gain’s enough power to become dominant Rache already demonstrated how to deal with that. All the code and programs that all these groups are using is still made of ice. All it needs is a good tap. Further still, the remnants of the old net remain. Now ruled by the nearly all-powerful A.I. now commonly referred to as Demons or Daemons. All that would be needed would be for one skilled runner (perhaps even Rache himself?) to open the gates and unleash the Kraken and that carefully constructed ice tower would shatter once more.
My guy, corpos are one thing, but wild, murderous ai is sooooo much worse. Bartmoss destroyed a whole lot of really useful shit, and killed a lot of people, and look at the world he left in his wake. The corporations suffered for a while sure, but ultimately they seized on the aftermath to become even more powerful. I've never been big on the whole "things suck, let's make things exponentially worse to fuck with the people in charge" mindset though.
Considering Cyberpunk's world split from ours in the 1980's, it might be more accurate to say that the old Net was essentially a technologically advanced ARPANET, but recent materials suggest it functioned much the same way as the internet. It's a pretty cool parallel!
I really like this theory. I considered mentioning something similar in this video but decided against it to stick with canon info as best I could. I hope there's something more about this in Phantom Liberty.
Really enjoyed this hope to see more lore videos on other characters like spider Murphy or could toy do a video on Netwatch as they are really interesting and I think they will be in phantom liberty
There was another cyberpunk RPG book where they mention Rache staying connected for the whole IGTA upgrade and then he spent the next day banging his head against a wall because it was "So fragging beautiful!"
I would not be surprised if that Arasaka hit team used Soulkiller on Rache. Hells, I would not be surprised if Rache used it himself after he found the 2.5 base code...using that 'crime spree' as a cover so he could save himself somehow. And now he's hiding behind The Black Wall, making monsters for the world with a black ICE grin.
If Rache was born in 1992, and got first chipped in at 4-5 years old... He took up netrunning at 4... He started netrunning before people had internet at home? Nice😂
in Cyberpunk they skipped a lot of how the real internet was formed and went directly to what would equal today's VR experiments. Then this guy forced everyone back to using 80s Arpanet again except with rogue AIs and human brain emulations haunting netrunners
Rache sounds more like a villain than an anti hero. He went around fragging people for no reason because it was fun to him. Then when karma catches up he has a hissy fit and crashes the net. The more i learn about any of the characters the less i like them and think they deserve the hellish situation they put themselves in. In the next game if it is about humanity vs AI I'm siding with the robots.
inb4 bartmoss was not only soulkilled but cloned, just the two where initially incompatible, taking Arasaka a full 50 or so years to get working in the meatspace, haveing to rely on the old bartmoss meat's mind to run the soul killed and controlled engram in the meantime, after all why was the freezer not touched?
The Scary thing about it is " The Undoing" that he say the first net means he is aware that it will come to a second net that is more terrifiend then ever but briddle
I forgot if you mentioned it or not but one of my fav missions is the one where you have to steal a van that has to dump something after a 50 year contract had expired. I think it's pretty obviously supposed to be Rache.
I love that Cyberpunk 2077 opened this magnificent genre to much wider audience and people now see how this genre servers as black mirror to our society. Yes we all love huge buildings, augmentations and neon lights everywhere but the true nature of the genre is showing us where are we going, just dialing it up a bit over the top. And Rache´s story is bound to resonate with anybody who uses internet in 3rd decade of 21st century.
After giving it some thought, there is one person that would for sure know what Bartmoss is doing and who would actually have an interest in keeping him frozen for possible future use. Yorinobu Arasaka. Think about it. During the events of DataKrash Yorinobu was 25ish and full on anti-system punk who wanted his own father's company to be destroyed. Yet he was still powerful and wealthy enough to finance such a contract without being traced. For Young Yorinobu Bartmoss would be like a hero.
Rache means Revenge translated in german. Just wanted to point out what is obvious to germans but not to the rest of the viewers. Always made no sense to me that his Nickname was the only netrunners nickname that had no defined topic attatched to the meaning. But being a revenger makes absolute sense.
Oh wow that's actually super neat! Thanks for pointing that out!
haha its like darth vader meaning huh
Thank you!
Actually it's Rachel..... lil Sherlock humor there
Yeah. And as it happens, I read and understand German...
We all know the real reason bartmoss crashed the net was because he knew it's impossible to truly erase one's search history
Man literally had no digital balls. If he had them he would not need to erase it or be ashamed by it.
@@diamondhamster4320 I search porn without ignognito mode or a VPN. Bartmoss crashed the net to delete his history. NO BALLS
Leaked picture of bartmoss after destroying the internet: 🤡
"Robbed of our privacy, deprived of our free will, stripped of our dignity."
Boy does that resonate now.
Free will leads to chaos. True freedom is pure anarchy. And no matter what you believe you are not ready for that kind of world
@@2gunzup07True anarchy not that bad, quit being dramatic.
@@sabastianheinle9095that’s the single dumbest statement I’ve ever read lmao. Complete anarchy is a disaster. There’s a reason it’s almost always used in a negative connotation
@@sabastianheinle9095Get out of your mom’s basement. nowhere, anywhere in the entirety of human history did pure anarchy become the governing system. Its the hell that fallen civilisations devolve into and some new order ALWAYS arises to take the fallen predecessors place. No one in anarchy enjoys the dog eat dog world that anarchy actually is.
@@jaimestardust8555that’s objectively untrue. Anarchy is merely a process of decision making where, instead of single individuals acting as decision makers, the community group consents by vote for each issue that needs to be addressed, and the most capable individual or group is put in charge of that issue for its duration.
Originally, it was a way for classical communities (specifically Greek) to manage their affairs without intervention from an ‘archon’ or ruler. The word literally means “without rulers”.
It was then re-conceptualised in the 18th century as a way of eliminating the need for an aristocracy as part of the machinery of government, and returning to a more community-led self-deterministic way of running something (a village, factory, farm, ship, whatever).
It’s just a way of organising and running a democracy, not some sinister chaos-state made of cannibalism and mad max cars.
"There are a dozen brains on the 'Net that Netwatch would love to scorch, and Rache Bartmoss is at least two of them."
"God, it's great to be loved."
If Mr Blue Eyes actually is Morgan Blackhand like the game points at, then I wouldn't be surprised if he's working with Spider Murphy and Rache Bartmoss in AI form to mold the political landscape of Night City to keep down the corruption of the city. It would make the Peralez quest make more sense to me.
That's a fair point and an interesting notion.
the only "hint" is a single file for the hairstyle. Not exactly convincing
@@8bitarmory846 there’s actually more that are from “unknown” people sending messages that you can find that you can tell by context it’s Mr. Blue eyes
@@Trist_Playz yes, we know Mr Blue Eyes exists. What the game *doesn’t* suggest is that Mr B is Morgan Blackhand.
@@8bitarmory846 So actually if you do a little digging in the NCPD scanner data shards there is a few statements that heavily elude to them being the same person. Morgan Blackhand completely disappears and mr. blue eyes shows up only a few years after his disappearance.
That being said Mr. Blue eyes curiously has a lot of deeper knowledge of V's situation as if he is familiar with what happened at Saka tower. Play through the game again and do some real digging. But that being said hopefully phantom liberty gives us more confirmation of the fate of morgan blackhand. As of now it is of course a theory a game theory.
I know Mike p didn't write every piece of the lore but my god it has always stunned me as to just how similar the "first net" is to the real world's internet.....
Remember that the first cyberpunk books were coming out right as the internet transitioned from the ARPAnet among a couple other networks to the ground work of what we see today, a move that represented a shift from not for profit for the purposes of academia and science to commercialization, that or I'm misremembering things
@@frigid_metal9545Likely, but not by much, since 1989 was when the first commercial ISPs and businesses fully connected, still they were in the process of getting the OK to connect to the NSFNet (ARPANet was in the process of being decommisioned.). This could be a good question to ask Mr. Pondsmith in a Con.
@@frigid_metal9545no your right
Necro reposne but that´s cyberpunk for you. Meaning genre. Whole point of cyberpunk always was taking modern problems and dialing them up to 12. The 80´s/90´s aesthetics, neons and stuff were there because that existed when cyberpunk emerged and people love it so it is being kept. But for example Mr. Robot is perfect cyberpunk story without all that shiny stuff.
Where did the idea come from, though, that the Internet could be traversed by the human mind almost as a literal physical thing? Anywhere besides William Gibson's 'Neuromancer'?
This man is still alive. The fact that nobody found his body untill v did says a lot
True. It's a bit remarkable that the coolbox was left untouched for so long!
Hes alive same with alt and I'm not talking about the fake ai it hinted at in the tabletop game that alt transfer her mind to another living person I'm betting rache did the same
I think it’s more of a testament to say how quickly people, especially Corpos, move on in Night City. Rache Bartmoss was a public enemy because he harassed the Corps. The moment his brain went kaput, the Corps shifted their attention elsewhere. It was the 4th Corporate War, and then the Arasaka Holocaust, and then the Time of the Red, and then the Heyward Expansion, and then the Unification War, and then the Return of Arasaka. Not to mention the numerous gang wars, thefts and takedowns, and elections and assassinations. The moment Bartmoss stopped harassing the Corps was the moment Bartmoss’s presence was last week’s news for the next 50 years. I think that says a lot about Night City, that even celebrities are immediately forgotten in the public eye like toilet paper regardless of your prestige
And why would there still be ice in the fridge
Nobody found body cuz nobody wanted to nobody find body
I think there's the potential for them to tell a truly horrific story here. I didn't realize soul killer was just "out there" at one point lol. Imagine how many souls were ripped into the net who were high level executives with willful but sociopathic traits. Consider a contrast between people augmenting themselves with cybernetic parts and an AI on the net around the time of the great crash. Then after the corruption, an AI mirrors mankind's self augmentation with cyber parts by augmenting it's own cyber parts with pieces carved from human souls. Mr. Blue Eyes could be one such product.
That's terrifying to think about
I like what BugBear had to say about him. From the perspective of a kid born after the crash, who had to cut her teeth running in private datafortresses lamenting that at one time the whole of the net was free.
Helps that she's a hot blonde in a red Runner suit. I sure hope she has a speaking role in Orion.
I believe that his physical body(firdt human form) is dead just as the quest shows. But between the amount of cloning and robotic droids i can totally see him coming back via hacking into something from behind the great wall.
I can't help but feel like we'll see something about this in Cyberpunk Orion...
You have some serious talent for narrating the lore in a way that is quite easy to follow. The cyberpunk lore is so damn interesting and you have given me a fantastic view of it all
Thank you! It's A LOT of research, but its pretty cool stuff so all worth it.
@fartywartymcfarthead Your pfp and name have dried out my corpse.
Apparently Rache and Alt were good friends before the Datakrash. Since Rache was already inhabiting the net more then his meatsack it seems probable Alt (who already existed in the net) could have used a variation of Soulkiller to migrate Raches' consciousness to the net before his meatsack decayed. Might be there was some plan to migrate him back to his meatsack (thus the 50 lease extension) that didn't work out.
Very well could be... Good insight!
This is my plan. Hoping consciousness digitization can happen within like, another two decades or so.
@@jeffbrownstain That's why my 'V' decided to go into the Net and let Johnny have my body.
@@gdolson9419 Oml bro, best ending, no cap.
Buying that kid a guitar, just hanging and letting go...
Both getting the chance to live a second life, losing nothing and gaining everything...
Just put an AI in my brain already, I'll have my brain-melting existential crisis yesterday and then disappear into the digital tapestry hidden beneath the encrypted dataforts of the net.
Not even joking. Prove I can come back with like, a cat test subject or something, and I'll be the first human mind uploaded.
@@jeffbrownstain I feel like you missed a large plot point of Cyberpunk, the digital consciousness will NEVER be YOU, it is NOT a transfer. It's merely a perfect copy that acts exactly like you, a digital imposter. V never made it into Mikoshi, that's a digital imposter, V never even realized they died when they jacked into Mikoshi until Alt and Johnny tell AI/digital V. YOU die with your meatsack body but everything about you, your personality and knowledge, can live on through a digital copy for the sake of people still alive in *their* meatsacks. That perfect AI copy can inhabit a meatsack body and people will not be able to distinguish the difference, but it will still never be YOU.
Honestly that ending is the worst ending, V dies unceremoniously and is replaced by an AI that basically doesn't know any better. That is why Johnny makes such a big deal about V keeping his body, AI Johnny fully understands that he is just an AI and that the real Johnny Silverhand already had his chance and wasted it back in 2020. AI Johnny understands in some way that this is NOT a continuation of V's life, it is *death* and from that death an AI copy of V will be created; he understands that this is NOT truly a cure to V's situation. He's seen the real Johnny's dead body and has come to terms with being an AI in a way that V doesn't understand.
Long story short YOU can never "come back" this way, your death will be final even if a perfect replica of you can be made afterwards. This is evident in many ways but I feel the most damning evidence would be the Jackie engram. That shows very clearly that the engrams are merely programming, seeing as Jackie's engram was taken AFTER DEATH and is incomplete. I don't think you could partially extract someone's "soul" and especially not after death; soulkiller is clearly a physical process that relies on gathering information from a subject's brain, not a metaphysical process in which someone's Soma is being transposed from physical to digital.
I strongly believe Rache is still out there somewhere in an AI form (similar to those in Mikoshi who were hit with soul killer but not exactly the same). Personally I hope (but I doubt) that we learn more about him in phantom liberty although I will not uncross my fingers for more Spider Murphy. Love that quirky girl
we get it simp, just don’t coom….ok?
The AI that resides on the other side of the Wall is one of CP2077 biggest reasons for me to buy the second installment of the game .
@@TheColossus100 you mean the dlc?
@@yeetneet5334 I know Phantom Liberty is a DLC , but in my opinion the next game will answer many questions about the unanswered questions from the first game
Cant wait for a sequel but it will be tiiiiiime, Phanton Liberty was everything i wanted and more tho
Rache is a guy you wouldn't really want to meet. He is what Johnny Silverhand is but a netrunner. He would be 10 steps ahead of you and even if you haven't done anything to him he would still try to find ways to shut you down from afar just in case...
So basically batman but a bitch
I honestly dont get how more people dont see bartmoss as a villian he singlehandedly took down the free net ans created a army of A.I that not only allowed corpos to control the net and everything on it but put the corpos in the Moral Right doing so since it is required to keep his A.I from rampaging and destroying tech wholesale
Every hero in cyberpunk is a villain. Literally all of them. Thats the point.
@@TherealTenmanI no its not and that is beyond stupid as fuck. People out there who act "Cyberpunk isint allowed to have good people or happy endings" are the people who only know cyberpunk from the game have never read a Single piece of cyberpunk lit outside of the game probs havent even touched the board game. It is a stupid excuse that is both not true and not a good one lmao cyberpunk explains the type of setting. That is IT nothing else it can have any kind of story with any kind of characters What so ever like any other type. What you just said is as stupid as if someone said "Steampunk doesent have good guy" or "Post apocolypse doesent have good guys" whats next gonna pull out of your ass that Science fiction isint allowed to tell goofy stories too? Same thing your doin rn
@@TherealTenmanIIt's kind of funny how all the characters in Cyberpunk who claim to be freedom fighters fighting against corporate oppression end up causing way more suffering and damage to the world than the very corporations they're fighting against.
@@cynicalmemester1694 huh... i responded to this... i guess YT ate it...
Anyways, it was about collatoral damage. They have a purpose and burn a lot that was not intended. Either needed or accidental/uncaringly.
@@cynicalmemester1694just like the real world, huh?
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Mandela
Reds & Whites in the Russian civil war...
Basically everybody in our world who seeked to destroy the injustices of that day's system through violence, eventually brought much more suffering to people, than the status quo
This is great. You nailed all the big points and that's not easy, considering how well me, Will Moss, Dave Ackerman and (as the main voice of Rache) Edward Bolme, hid all kinds of clues throughout the 2020 books.
And yes, Rache was right. Aliens did create the Carbon Plague. More on that later.
Haha no way is that THE Mikoru Pondsmisu?
@@everberon Well, that's what it says on the SIN card (aka driver's licence)
@@mikorupondsumisu6883 Can you prove that you really exist?
Provided you are the real you...
You are a prophet and a God-King and I bow at your prescient wisdom.
Bless your soul for saving us from a reality made of the worst of ourselves.
You've done our species more favors than most will ever know, and you're an inspiration to all who recognize your insight, and well beyond.
I know who I am. I hope you are the real you so you can read my words.
This would be an opportunity I otherwise never thought I could have...
@@mikorupondsumisu6883 Also, I need some concensus; sentient AI.
Yeah, or not?
I get hella mixed vibes from lore.
The daemon thing is six-levels-of-genius deep, but a little confusing given irl lore.
Genius, or should I say genii? Djinn?
Daemon or Daimon it's all the same subroutines, right?
Hard to tell.
Lets just call it HGA and move on to lesser, controllable variants.
@@jeffbrownstaindude what the fuck are you on about.
Its really amazing how well thought out the lore of cyberpunk 2077 is. Pondsmith is a wizard.. so interesting, all of this, kept me nailed to my seat. It kinda feels like Mike is voicing his own opinions regarding internet as we know it irl... internet is pretty great invention but it has its dark sides too, some of which I think we havent even seen yet.. its still pretty damn fresh invention after all.
Now the real question is how did the ice in his freezer stay solid all those years until V found him.
I'd say the likely answer is that while the power was cut, the man's paranoia meant he had a LONG lasting built in power supply. Mind you, his body was dead all those years ago, before the fifty year extension. Hence the combo of rot/stench and ice.
probably not ice made of water
If you really need a reason (like I do), minor continuity error. The fact V mentions the smell of rot. The ice was only shown because that’s how a netrunner’s dive tub normally looks (based on how little I know, still new to finer details). But they added to just make it look like that.
I’m running a Cyberpunk RED campaign that takes place in 2077. Basically, I’m running my players through the main story line of Cyberpunk 2077. I’ve played through the computer game three times but I’ve been watching videos like these to remind myself of many of the side plot lines. So yeah, having the PCs find Batmoss’ remains will be on the table.
Thanks for the refresher!
Np, glad to help, and best of luck with the campaign!
You can find a shard notifying you about a expired fridge warranty with high net speed and capacity with a note to not open due to expire in 2075 and says it was left in the dump after the owner didn’t answer idk if everyone found this but pretty nice to have it hidden in a another quest and definitely bartmoss
Where can you find that shard?
came from reddit. I'm a total newbie to pondsmith's cyberpunk universe so you'll never know how much I appreciate this video man, spending 30 minutes on this video instead of all those cyberpunk wiki articles is definitely worth it 😂
you just gained a new subscriber and I hope you do more of these man, excellent job!
Hey, thanks! I'm really glad it was helpful to you! I'll definitely be doing more as it was a lot of fun to make. I'm glad you enjoyed!
I can believe that Deathwish had a human mind. Imagine a quadriplegic, trapped in their own body. I can see Rache offering to upload such a person's brain into the cat to not only give them a sort of mobility but a purpose.
I feel like the biggest hint to how he died just comes from cyberpunk 2077, where literally he just forgot to pay for his power bill, they shut off the power to his room while he was still in his fridge, and his lifesupport immediately failed and killed him. later on when they were dumping his stuff they just through the frige away in the dump an he wasn''t found until V finds him in the dump next to, ironically, where he was dragged out from the wreckage after he himself was dumped and black jesus was killed by takemora.
overall quite the underwhelming but comsically ironic way to go
It's not that he forgot, it's that he didn't account for dying when he programmed the 50 year extension
This video popped up in my feed so many times. Was worth the watch, thanks for the very well put together presentation. I specifically liked how you reference the source material several times and managed to keep the game footage relatively spoiler free. Like many, I'm new to cyberpunk but this might lead me to dive deeper into the lore. Thanks!
So glad to hear you enjoyed it!
This was fantastic, and while there are some Cyberpunk lore series out there, I feel like this one is the best, cant wait for more!
Thanks for the kind words! Looking forward to making more as well!
rache's creation of the RABIDS...the Ais that made Cyberspace a hellscape that necessetated the construction of the Blackwall, are a result of bartmoss's collaberation with Alt Cunningham. Sloppier execution, but along the same lines. the Alt AI in original cyberpunk canon is essentially immune to RABIDs...a last gift from bartmoss and why she's doing that "hive mind " thing now to extend that immunity to those she can. Barmoss was brilliant, but not infallible...
I just found your channel and wanted to say that you’re an absolute treasure for this community. This was the most informative video on Bartmose I’ve ever seen!
Thank you so much! That means alot!
Pour 1 out for pre netrunner builds,
Used to feel like bartmoss 2.0 walking through compounds like a ghost
Your narration and writing is top tier. Interesting yet easy to follow. 2nd time listening to this. Thanks!!
"in a world where corporations have grown decidedly stronger than world governments, violence runs rampant in in the streets and poverty is at an all time high" lol same
The poverty, yes. The rampant violence? That's more of the gun consortium in the US (the NRA) and the military-industrial complex outside (via wars) than say, Amazon or Apple. No Microsoft paramilitary group is gonna storm your apartment because you still haven't activated your copy of Windows 10.
Except corporations aren’t stronger that world governments.
@@rexthewolf3149 not yet
@@9Reports not ever. It’s in the interest of the governments to keep control of the use of force. Considering the fuss about Russia and China having near peer military power. Do you think the us would allow a company do so. No.
@@rexthewolf3149who do you think control elections? Many US citizens actually think that having a corporate millionaire as president is a good thing for themselves
This was a great video and I can't wait to watch some more! Hope you can continue to make some when the next installment comes out a couple years from now.
This cyberpunk lore stuff is excellent, keep it up. Please! :D
I appreciate your research. It enhances the whole cyberpunk experience knowing the back story of the characters with illustrations and in game footage. It helps bring a deeper connection with the game itself and I look forward to seeing more... I tend to watch these more than once as there's so much information provided. Thank you.
I think out of all the lore readers out there, your my favorite. Well done.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
19:42 it’s unnerving how close this is to reality
I love that for 50 years nobody bothered to check what was in that fridge until V randomly finds it near Dex’s corpse, hell did anyone even think to check where it was or what happened to it? I mean it was only the corpse of one of the most important characters in Cyberpunk history
Great video! Thanks for making it
This is going to be one hell of a series! I so excited for more!!
Thanks brother! 🙏 Looking forward to making more!
@@everberon anytime man and you need a hand you know how to reach me
@@that_dude_with_a_switch Yessir yessir, appreciate you bro!
I'm shocked you have so few subscribers and views on this, having played the game a ton and loving the netrunner lore myself I'm glad I saw this. Keep making excellent videos, I'd love to see one on the blackwall and Cyberpunk AIs in general.
Thanks for the kind words! Blackwall and AI are definitely on my list ;)
@@everberon That's excellent to hear! Keep making awesome content and I'm sure your channel will continue to grow
What a dope video, damn. And wrapping it up with Mr. Eurodyne, fkn legendary. Excellently done
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I opened TH-cam with the intention of watching a video about Bartmoss and this was literally the first thing that popped up in my recommendations
the guy who took down THIS internet
this hero didn't wear a cape
I never thought of it like that, but yeah, what a noble move 😆
Yea so noble taking down the internet that is still (slightly) freer than the Corpo run Networks, damning everyone into corpo run surveilance, yes so noble.
In case you don't know what I mean, there's an excerpt with Murphy saying something to the effect of how what Bartmoss did in fact DID NOT truly struck a blow against Corpos and instead gave them more control.
This video is so good, i legit thought this was like 1m view vid at least from a bigger channel, you deserve so much more attention for this good content
Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated!
I got a theory, what if Rashe conciousnes is in Nibbles? if like was said that he put a human conciousnes into Deathwish, who's to say that wasn't a trial run? ever wonder how old Nibbles is? he ain't a kitten and if Rashes' freezer wasn't turned off till 2075 then there's the posibility of a window if he was just biding his time, I mean, who left the note for us to take care of Nibbles in the first place? Food for thought.
Interesting
Damn the lore hits hard
I love it!
an amazing video,
Such details wow, no words needed 🥹🥹🥹
Definitely gonna share with others!
2:41 I am looking respectfully 👀
Fr though, it’s really cool how much thought was put into the world building for the game
Yeah it's one of those up there with the Souls Series or Zelda imo. Lots of good stuff!
Great coverage here. Looking forward to more. Cyberpunk rules.
Thank you! I'm looking forward to making more!
wow great video,
after playing the DLC i know now why the reason is why Songbird is dying after she visited the other side of the Black Wall, its because of The R.A.B.I.D and Black Ice bombaring her with data and task and like the old net set her to "crash"
Basically mini nuke viruses killing her
Fantastic this was, bravo!
Bartmoss had a heated gamer moment and ddossed the net
Imagine if he was born a little later and got ahold of the relic
This was a fantastic video man
I think you have just discovered what it takes to become legend
Johnny Silverhand would be proud
Thank you! It means alot!
@everberon np bro looking forward to more cyberpunk lore
Keep grinding and soon you'll be a legend with a million subs
Fanatic vid dude enjoyed it a lot wish u can make more on ur spare time ur voice is very fine to lesn 2
Thank you! I'll definitely be making more!
ok now I'm convinced to actually get the book and read it for myself cause you explored so many details of his life that I had no idea about! Well done and great job! The cat was the best easter egg ^^
I feel like someone like this has already been born
Great content, not sure why this channel wasnt recommended sooner
Thank you! Means alot!
how is this channel so underrated
Thank you! I'm glad you think so!
Always been my favourite characters. The top netrunners are all touched by a mad sociopathy, like digital archmages that reached too far into the void.
Whenever I say "Cyberpunk 2077 is a masterpiece ", this is the reason why.
The legends of Night City is truly magnificent. This was an excellent video on Bartmoss. 👌🏻
Thank you! Appreciate the love, Choomba 😎
thanks for the explanation, it's really cool to see how deep cyberpunk's story goes
Thinking of that XZ backdoor and it is shocking how close we came to an actual IRL datakrash
amazing video thank you for making this
I remember when I first found him I was like holy shit am I gonna get some op hacker stuff from his deck but no not really man😭
Rache sounds like the true daemon. He just left some in his footprints, not even Smasher was a fraction as destructive as him.
quality stuff my man. keep at it!
Excellent content. A great in-depth summary of the lore. I also enjoy listening to your voice. I hope you will produce even more Cyberpunk 2020 - 2077 content!
Thank you! I'm actually editing the next upload as we speak!
Its great to hear his name dropped again in Phantom Liberty by Song Bird and V if you chose the right dialogue option when starting PL.
I think they missed a HUGE opportunity to do a Bartmoss centred DLC. I'm sad about that.
We might get some more info in Phantom Liberty though... who knows?
Maybe they keeping bartmoss and blackhand for the sequel
You say that Rache’s shattering of the net made things worse but I don’t think so. The old net was one system and whatever group or groups controlled that system essentially controlled everything. The shattering of the net “means that everyone has their own net” which is true. It also means these groups (the corps, gangs, individual runners) will almost always oppose, fight, and undermine each other so, at the very least, there’s options. And even on the off chance that these groups unite or one group gain’s enough power to become dominant Rache already demonstrated how to deal with that. All the code and programs that all these groups are using is still made of ice. All it needs is a good tap. Further still, the remnants of the old net remain. Now ruled by the nearly all-powerful A.I. now commonly referred to as Demons or Daemons. All that would be needed would be for one skilled runner (perhaps even Rache himself?) to open the gates and unleash the Kraken and that carefully constructed ice tower would shatter once more.
My guy, corpos are one thing, but wild, murderous ai is sooooo much worse. Bartmoss destroyed a whole lot of really useful shit, and killed a lot of people, and look at the world he left in his wake. The corporations suffered for a while sure, but ultimately they seized on the aftermath to become even more powerful. I've never been big on the whole "things suck, let's make things exponentially worse to fuck with the people in charge" mindset though.
Rache's crush on Spider has always felt *deeply* creepy to me.
Yeah I have to agree.
"the redesign of the net" sounds like that Web 3.0 garbage that was being pushed around the 2010's.
Great video bro ! You gain a sub ~! I actually got the idea of the whole Cyberpunk Old Net = Nowadays Internet thing 19:42 .
Considering Cyberpunk's world split from ours in the 1980's, it might be more accurate to say that the old Net was essentially a technologically advanced ARPANET, but recent materials suggest it functioned much the same way as the internet. It's a pretty cool parallel!
Willing to bet bartmoss’ consciousness is somewhere in the net controlling mr blue eyes
I really like this theory. I considered mentioning something similar in this video but decided against it to stick with canon info as best I could. I hope there's something more about this in Phantom Liberty.
Really enjoyed this hope to see more lore videos on other characters like spider Murphy or could toy do a video on Netwatch as they are really interesting and I think they will be in phantom liberty
Alright cool video actually got me to sub keep it up.
My algorithm was working overtime 😂 cause the fact I found Bartmoss and ended up with some cool tech/quick little quest
There was another cyberpunk RPG book where they mention Rache staying connected for the whole IGTA upgrade and then he spent the next day banging his head against a wall because it was "So fragging beautiful!"
Excellent video, really enjoyed it even if it did fly way over my head in a lot of ways. How deep is this world?
Raches cat is the great- ancestor of the cat you get in the game
I would not be surprised if that Arasaka hit team used Soulkiller on Rache. Hells, I would not be surprised if Rache used it himself after he found the 2.5 base code...using that 'crime spree' as a cover so he could save himself somehow.
And now he's hiding behind The Black Wall, making monsters for the world with a black ICE grin.
If Rache was born in 1992, and got first chipped in at 4-5 years old... He took up netrunning at 4... He started netrunning before people had internet at home? Nice😂
in Cyberpunk they skipped a lot of how the real internet was formed and went directly to what would equal today's VR experiments. Then this guy forced everyone back to using 80s Arpanet again except with rogue AIs and human brain emulations haunting netrunners
Oh no
Not me
I never lost control
You’re face to face
With the man who crashed the Net
Lol. He destroyed the net to prevent further enshitification of the internet. A true hero.
"Looks like... a box?"
"You're a feckin' box"
Crack me up every time xD
Amazing narration, good job
Thank you!
Very cool and timely video. Thanks for doing this research just prior to CP2077 2.0 and Phantom Liberty dropping! 😊
Great info! Thank you
Is that a 30 minute cyberpunk lore video? Sign me up!
"Quiet life or blaze of glory."
Awesome vid, more Cyberpunk please! :)
Thank you kindly, working on more as we speak!
Great job. Keep it up.
Rache sounds more like a villain than an anti hero. He went around fragging people for no reason because it was fun to him. Then when karma catches up he has a hissy fit and crashes the net. The more i learn about any of the characters the less i like them and think they deserve the hellish situation they put themselves in. In the next game if it is about humanity vs AI I'm siding with the robots.
love your cyberpunk videos~!
Thank you! More in the works right now!
inb4 bartmoss was not only soulkilled but cloned, just the two where initially incompatible, taking Arasaka a full 50 or so years to get working in the meatspace, haveing to rely on the old bartmoss meat's mind to run the soul killed and controlled engram in the meantime, after all why was the freezer not touched?
The Scary thing about it is " The Undoing" that he say the first net means he is aware that it will come to a second net that is more terrifiend then ever but briddle
Outstanding research
The Lore if Cyberpunk is just so good.
I forgot if you mentioned it or not but one of my fav missions is the one where you have to steal a van that has to dump something after a 50 year contract had expired. I think it's pretty obviously supposed to be Rache.
I love that Cyberpunk 2077 opened this magnificent genre to much wider audience and people now see how this genre servers as black mirror to our society. Yes we all love huge buildings, augmentations and neon lights everywhere but the true nature of the genre is showing us where are we going, just dialing it up a bit over the top. And Rache´s story is bound to resonate with anybody who uses internet in 3rd decade of 21st century.
After giving it some thought, there is one person that would for sure know what Bartmoss is doing and who would actually have an interest in keeping him frozen for possible future use.
Yorinobu Arasaka. Think about it. During the events of DataKrash Yorinobu was 25ish and full on anti-system punk who wanted his own father's company to be destroyed.
Yet he was still powerful and wealthy enough to finance such a contract without being traced. For Young Yorinobu Bartmoss would be like a hero.